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Ooooh nice catch. I was a bit miffed about some of the slow burn, but I knew from my experience with BB that these geniuses/bastards like to build up just to bring it down on top of your head.
I love how the episode is called "Plan and Execution," and yet most of us could never in a million years have predicted what "execution" refers to until the scene actually happens. Hitchcock-level suspense
I love how Howard rotating the can and talking about "being prepared for anything" is mirrored by Lalo rotating the silencer and taking them all by surprise.
Same. I got my friend to start watching it and I had to hide my pain lol. He caught up pretty quickly though. Was already crying by the time Lalo walked in when we watched it together haha.
Your comment about Lalo being treated as a supernatural being in the show is so spot on lol, the way that candle flickered so ominously it felt like a demon is entering the room. The way characters even utter his full name throughout the show with such gravitas, “Lalo Salamanca”, as if he’s otherworldly. Plus for Jimmy here he’s literally seeing a ghost walk in the door in his mind since he thinks he’s dead.
I think I'm w/ you on that call, rpg7287. For me, the one-two punch of the single event that takes place over the To'hajiilee/Ozymandias episodes is a close 2nd, though (desert shootout, Hank, etc.). But yeah... This one just crushes. Took me days to get my head space back to normal after losin' Howard like this.
What's most tragic about this whole thing is that Howard died never knowing the truth: he was NOT responsible for driving Chuck to suicide! Jimmy had THREE seasons to tell him the truth. "It was me! I spilled Chuck's condition to the insurance company! I knew they would cancel the malpractice insurance! I knew it would compromise his chances of remaining a lawyer!" And yet he didn't even bother!
While it's true that Jimmy's leaking info about his brother to the insurance company was damaging to Chuck, I think placing total blame for Chuck's suicide on Jimmy (as you write, ""It was me!["]) is exaggerated and unfair. It was one contributing factor among many. Yes, Jimmy's actions resulted in the meeting Chuck & Howard had w/ the insurance folks where Chuck wouldn't compromise (and he could've), putting Howard in an awkward position. But at the same time, did Howard really have to kick Chuck out of the firm right then? Doesn't seem like it. In the end, Chuck was a very sick man w/ an inordinate amount of problems eating away at him. Mostly self inflicted, on top of the very sad mental illness. Jimmy wasn't to blame for Chuck's suicide. Howard wasn't to blame for Chuck's suicide. Hell, Rebecca wasn't to blame for Chuck's suicide. I honestly think that not just in this show, but in real life, if a person kills themselves there's almost never anyone else to blame. Not completely, anyway. Unless it's some kind of freakish situation; like a captive in war being held in horrific/torturous conditions knowing there's no chance at escape. This wasn't one of those situations. Chuck killed himself. And it's just sad.
@ForcesInMotion The point remains that from the Season 4 premiere onward, Jimmy knew the truth, he knew Howard was hurting, and yet he didn't care to tell him his own role in it.
In season 4, Howard tells Jimmy about his insomnia, and how he wouldn't wish it on his worst enemy. At the end of season 5, Lalo tells Nacho he doesn't sleep much, maybe an hour or two at night, and that he likes it, but some people call it a curse Just another example of the greatest writing and storytelling I've ever seen from a TV show (including breaking bad as a part of the same universe of course)
I just realized something.. when jimmy says 'How...' at the end when lalo comes into their house, kim immediately covers for him by saying 'howard, howard' - as if that was what jimmy was attempting to say but couldn't get it all out (as opposed to 'knowing' that lalo was dead because of the 'hit'). other thing - I swear that the beginning scene with the AV guy was a direct homage to 'Glengarry Glen Ross', an awesome ensemble 1992 film with Al Pacino, Kevin Spacey, Alan Arkin, Alec Baldwin, Jack Lemon and others.. that may just be worth a reaction. anyways, yeah this one was rough.. howard definitely did not deserve it. killed (amongst other things) because lalo noticed a cockroach at the beginning and got an idea.
I don't really think that's the case. I think it was just Kim urgently trying to get Howard to understand how serious the situation was. Kim was told by an ADA that Lalo was dead. It wasn't exactly a secret that the attack on his house happened, and it wouldn't be suspicious for a shady lawyer to have heard about it.
@@hbk314 I think it's both. Lalo was full of suspicion that jimmy wasn't telling the truth earlier - and the implication of 'how..' is 'how could you possibly be alive' further implying that he was in the know of the plot in the hit. The fear in his eyes further suggests this, that he has a reason for his fear - his guilt. And Kim repeats it three times, first how..ard (with a pause) then howard, then HOWARD. you need to leave. I also think that breaking bad confirms jimmy's need to cover this up with him claiming over and over it was ignacio, not him.
Bravo Sir - I knew you'd love this episode. Your combination of excitement, shock, silence and reflection right at the end tells you they did a superb job not just with this episode, but overall. And once again you knew exactly which episode you'd be streaming about! 2 out of 2 so far!
I never thought a tv episode can rival Ozymandias, this does this episodes seems like a combination of Chicanery (successfully completing the scheme and humiliating their target ) and Bad Choice Road, the last two minutes were like a horror movie by presence of Lalo
I would still give Ozymandias the edge, simply because it stars out with the huge, shocking (but inevitable in retrospect) death, and then the whole rest of the episode shows Walt’s entire world collapsing around him as the consequences of everything he’s done come home to roost, while this one ends with the shocking death and everyone just stunned speechless, and we have to wait to next episode to see Jimmy & Kim start to experience the fallout from what they’ve done. It’s almost like this episode and the next one together makes up this show’s “Ozymandias”.
@@briangonigal3974 I'm not sure why you're completely disregarding the climax of Jimmy and Kim's plan play out on screen considering how important it is for their characters.
Elie, you’ve been killing it with the BCS reactions but man oh man, one of the best episodes of TV period! Howard didn’t deserve any of this but let’s give a round of applause for Patrick Fabian’s performance here!
I didn't understand why Lalo opened the call to the nursing home in Spanish both times until rewatch. He's making sure the person holding the phone for Hector won't be able to eavesdrop.
When this episode aired, all i felt was dread when Lalo showed up because i so feared for Howard. And for all of your opinions about Kim based solely on her expression while Howard spoke, notice how quickly and sincerely she tried to get Howard to leave to protect him.
"And for all of your opinions about Kim based solely on her expression while Howard spoke, notice how quickly and sincerely she tried to get Howard to leave to protect him." Yeah... Gotta say, I didn't get the feeling AT ALL that Kim and/or Jimmy were suppressing laughter, or in any way enjoying listening to Howard in that scene. There was simply nothing for them to say. What could they say? They had to keep the lie going. Their actions led to Howard's murder and they have to live with that. But in that moment, I don't believe they were taking any pleasure in listening to/seeing Howard's pain.
Ever since I first saw the scene with Howard swirling around the soda can and explaining Chuck taught it to him, I've noticed every time Jimmy has his hand on a glass of something he swivels his glass the exact same way. This show is insane with the level of detail I stg
the accumulation of factors and feelings on this final scene is priceless. You have Lalo being alive (which Jimmy did not know), the culmination of Howard's "prank" altho it was way more than a prank, the fact Howard is breaking his politeness and protocol to express his "doneness" with them and the tension of the lie that may come out on their conversation...you think they can't get any stronger with the drama since it's already a confrontation point almost climaxy... until lalo cames... and it's like both dramas colide into one of the most unexpected and not deserved deaths of all BB universe (climax got climaxier basically) The fact they put the karma of what they were doing into Howard and not them is in terms of script trully beautiful, since Jimmy has little contience to feel remorse and Kim was so sure about the perfection of the plan in terms of no one ever being able to find out, except for Howard, who, if continued to acuse them would just get more suspicion on himself, they were fearless about Howy coming in to incriminate them, the guilt was inconceivable at the point these two got. But they did not aim to kill him or make any phisical damage at all ever.. so Lalo coming in as the Karma bearer(without even knowing it and being the bad guy he is), did the one thing that seemed imposible at this point of the series (im sure based on your disagreeing with teir new dinamic as a couple, plotting against Howard felt it similar) he made them regret his choices and forget about all the "fun" as they call it. which to me is very jsutified. Rigid correct people get the thrill when they get their first chance to be bad, as in kids from religious families getting rebel.. that's why i like her construction aswell, its real, like you just get it, she is in love, she wants to let him be himself and wants to participate at the same time as to try herself now that she is not obligated to be bad as with her mom, she is choosing to "try" and got stuck in the enjoyment of the new experience. Oh man... we're almost at the end but i'm so greatful you got to this epidose as fast as you did since, as you may understand now, im sure EVERYONE WAS DYING TO SEE YOU REACT TO THIS ONE!!! thx for your reaction!! also.. the candle, if you notice they made a connection when they open the door to Howard, I think Kim is left on the coach and they focus on it as in "blown candle=open door, guys" so the next time the candle appears you go "wait wha? the door?" naah trully art love this series so much im mad at the brilliance, k bye lol
I watched breaking bad and better call saul with my mum and sister about 6 months ago and we all think BB is still a slightly better show but those last 5 minutes are the best this universe has ever been. When Lalo kills Howard and that ep ends we all sat there in silence for about 5 minutes not believing what we just saw. Its true perfect tv
Every time I watch this episode I remember how much they made you dislike Chuck and Howard in the beginning, and how much everyone was rooting for Jimmy and Kim. This show masterfully completes the flipping of the script in this episode - you are gutted for Howard and realize that Chuck was 100% right about Jimmy, and end up disgusted with both Kim and Jimmy. Amazing show.
You said your jaw dropped. Mine literally dropped when Howard was shot. I had never actually experienced that before. I tweeted about it and a couple of people said the same thing. It just fell open. It was so unexpected and so upsetting. Absolutely brilliant acting. I am guessing Lalo would have heard Howard say he was going to dedicate his life to exposing the truth..... Andrea and the little kid were innocent victims, too.
There's a world where instead of Lalo killing Howard he ropes himself or gets drunk and crashes his car in despair; so even though the scenario was unpredictable and dramatic it doesn't absolve Kimmy and Jimmy for what they did to get Howard there. They're insane if they genuinely thought there'd by no serious ramifications for Howard.
1000% howard was gonna be severely damaged from this no matter what. There was only soo much you could bear from that positive outlook. You could argue Lalo ended his suffering or potential suffering but that may be a stretch. I will forever despise Jimmy and Kim for that. I don't like them atm 🤣🤣
@@eliemoses yah I believe Howard when he said he would have made it through and back on his feet. He proved his strength of spirit these past three seasons while Kim and Jimmy just quadrupled down on their worst impulses and rejected the help and opportunities they did have to be better.
Lol. Never ever did I see someone who got excited once Lalo showed up and for good 5 seconds was basically like "yeah laloooooo let's go, that's the help Howard needed" 🤣 before realising the whole scene will end up baaaaad
I'm sorry , pal, but I absolutely loved seeing you get "played" by the fake PI who was working for Jimmy the entire time. They always had 2 sets of pictures. They just had to do the quick re-shoot with the fake judge having a cast. Notice in the dark room they grab pictures from two "clotheslines", but only brush on the liquid drugs onto one set. Then stuff them in 2 separate envelopes. Thank you for the greatest reactions - hands down!! Looking forward to more.
Two of the worst things that ever happened on the show were: -Andrea being executed by Jack's gang -Jimmy conned Irene Those two things were some of the most disgusting and despicable actions ever done in the shows... And then there's plan and execution. For 7 episodes (counting the finale of S5) we've been watching, whitout a clue, the scam that Jimmyband Kim are pulling. For 2 years there were a lot of theories about what would happen and once the season finally aired there was a common feeling: everyone felt absolutely disgusted with Jimmy and Kim. This was the peak because the episode starts with a classical BCS montage happy scam but once it happens you only feel disgust and maybe hatred towards Jimmy and Kim. And then boom. Howard's gone. This episode break the fandom because no one saw coming Howard's literal demise. Also itnwaa a torture having to wait 6 weeks for the next episode
I always thought Bob had his heart attack while filming the final scene, but now re-watching this, I think it might have been at the start of the episode where he's running all around the place, panicking, and there's the complicated one-take scene at the park where he's non-stop for like 5 or 10 minutes.
Bob had an heart attack while filming the first scene of episode 8. You can see that the camera moves from Lalo POV to Jimmy&Kim's one. The crew filmed one POV then they had to move the cameras and the rest of the equipment before filming the other POV so they emptied the room. Patrick, Rhea, Bob and Tony moved into another room, Bob was on an exercise bike in that other room when thing happened. Luckily there were people there who gave him the first help (Rhea and Patrick). We were this close to loosing him, just imagine if he had gone to his dressing room or to the bathroom and not stayed with the other actors...
Oh you mentioned Howard was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I argue that he was absolutely in the RIGHT place at the wrong time. He had every right to be there to confront them for what they had done, it's just unfortunate that Lalo was still out there (and Kim withheld that bit of critical info from Jimmy).
Lalo back from his European Vacation, but definitely not National Lampoons! Lalo of course much more devious than Tuco, Eladio and Hector but every bit as ruthless. Doing is Andy Dufresne bit is the sewers. Jimmy assembling his team again of camera guy, sound guy and make up girl. Kim of course doing her Spielberg bit as well. Howard being extra smarmy towards Irene insisting she use the wheelchair. Judge Casimiro gives his spiel, and Howard for once is lost for words, but then Howard uses his info and asks Julie to get the envelope. Great sound of crackling on Kim and Jimmy's mobile as the envelope is being opened and then we see the photos. It's the very same as Chuck, where he was made to look mad in front of everyone. Cliff insists that they settle now or it will cost millions. Kim and Jimmy shagging while Cliff makes his statement of settlement is something else! No live stream for Lalo, but a video for Don Eladio, that was the technology of course in this time period. Gus hiding in clear sight again with his community support and photo ops. Mike warning Fring that Lalo will act, and lets face it Mike is never wrong. When Howard arrives at Jimmy and Kim's he bring the Macallan. Howard of course is genuinely hurt not so much about the Sandpiper case, but because they made him look like a drug addict in his peers eyes. Kim is totally emotionless but Howard gives it to them. Was waiting for Elie to see Lalo appear at the apartment for one of the great jaw dropping scenes form either show. Howard gets brutally whacked by Lalo and, one the great characters from The BBverse is another one the suffer in the Domino Effect. Jimmy and Kim now really do feel for Howard but it's all too late. Another utterly fantastic episode.
The ironic thing about the con here is it only worked because they know Howard is going to not be able to resist the super dramatic outburst during the mediation. I'm fairly sure that if he'd kept quiet and then revealed the evidence he believed he had, that they'd be able to do something retroactively but obviously, because the judge guy wasn't actually in their pocket anyway, the mediation would have gone in their favour. Obviously if he'd kept quiet and then looked at his evidence afterward, it'd have changed but without the public embarrassing outburst and he'd go "ah, they tried to fuck me but I didn't fall for it. Ha". So the only way their con works is because they've accurately surmised his personality and vulnerabilities. It's very similar to the Chuck situation both ways, in both cases they are right that Jimmy is to blame in an insanely unbelievable way but in Chucks case, ultimately it was that he didn't want to be seen to have made even a tiny mistake so he blew it up into a career ending thing and in this case Howard blew up his big thing trying to prove that it was Jimmy. Obviously it's a lot more unfair in the latter though.
I gotta admit, I'm a little disappointed that I didn't see Iron Man fly into a wall at the end there. Not since Mike's death have I ever had so much anger for a main character. RIP Howard
Lalo seeing the cockroach crawling in the sewer is what most likely reminded him of Jimmy and Kim; as this serves as a reference to Season 5 episode "Bagman", where Lalo tells Kim that Jimmy (whilst stranded in the desert) has the survival skills of a cucaracha (Spanish for 'cockroach').
I keep referencing Macbeth. No one else has, that I have seen and I have not looked up any interviews to see if they discussed how much they were inspired by Macbeth, but to me it is obvious. The candle scene is further confirmation for me.
I haven't heard/read any references to Macbeth either, from the show's writers/actors, or tv writers/critics. But I myself have often told friends and family that I feel BCS is "Shakespearean" in its scope, quality, and brilliant use of language. It's been forever, but I'll have to seek out Macbeth again :)
I think my exact words when this episode ended were "Someone needs to get these sickos off the streets." I've seen some big deaths in television and the fan response to Howards murder was legitimately the most raw mourning I've ever seen in a fandom; it was like he was a real person. I predicted the Howard twist in Pimento in like the first two episodes and he was my second favorite character until Chuck died (my first) then he became my number one; and I'd watched week to week from the premiere so this episode was difficult. My twitter profile picture was literally Hamlindigo Blue for half a year afterwards.
Wayyyy back when you first mentioned that Lalo was becoming one of your favorite villains, I'd wondered if you'd retain that opinion or eat those words upon this episode after knowing the impact Lalo would have on one of your favorite characters.
I do enjoy the parallel in breaking bad and better call Saul of choices and consequences. Inadvertently, it was Walt’s fault why Jane’s dad crashed planes together and caused so much sorrow for Jesse and others. Just like it was inadvertently Kim and Saul’s fault for Howard’s downfall, and being in the position that he was in.
this was an amazing reaction to an amazing episode of TV... thank you Elie... and I cant wait for the stream it will be a banger and so much to talk about... hope I can make it to the stream and if I cant i will be here in the comments section^^ chat soon!
I thought you were gonna be super mad and jump out of that chair. But I guess you can't help but appreciate the story execution. Mike and Gus aren't aware because all the guys were pulled from their posts.
"You gotta respect the execution", lol. (sorry, it's dark and I know you didn't mean it that way, but given the double meaning of the word "Execution" in the episode's title, I couldn't help myself XD)
Heartbreaking and brutal. I can't tell you how much I was seething at and disgusted by Jimmy and Kim's recent behavior, but especially this episode. There's speculation that Howard's last line was meant to be something along the lines of "There's no need for violence" or "There's no need for you to hurt them". Either one speaks volumes about his character, that he would try to protect their worthless asses after what they did to him. RIP Howard: you might have been an ass at times, but you were a good man doing better. I wish you had lived to sweep the floor with the Goodmans, but this show called Breaking Bad made it impossible.
First! Edited so I don't lose first 😏 Anyway - after watching the series through for a second time I feel awful for how I felt about Howard. I was sad about his death but didn't originally care for it so much but after watching it through again it makes me mad how Jimmy and Kim treated Howard. Yeah he was a bit of a douche being chucks puppet but he couldn't afford to lose chuck. He really wanted to make things right with Jimmy after chucks death and to see them rip his reputation apart bit by bit, I don't think I can live with myself for being so detached from Howard's good hearted character. R.I.P Howard 😢
In retrospect, there isn't a single actor in all of Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul or El Camino, who isn't on their Grade-A acting game. I honestly can't think of a single actor's performance, which didn't fit and made me think "Eeh, that's a bit off". This show and its cast are masterclass through and through. Also, quite funny how you despise Kim and Jimmy so much, it completely escaped you how Howard immediately became a witness, who has to die, as soon as Lalo walked in, and you cheered his appearance!
Personally I wasn't a huge fan of Lalo's plotline throughout season's 5 and 6. He's a well acted, funny character, but his superhuman-ness (and plot armor lets be honest, killing an entire team of "best in the business" hitmen) was a bit much for me, and I was unsure if they could tie him back into the broader plot in a satisfying way. But man, that final scene really paid it off. The fact that Lalo is such an absurdly dangerous character makes the immediate flood of dread so strong when you see Jimmy's reaction. Lalo is fr a demon bringing death and there's no way out. Some people think Howard's death was too cheap and convenient, and I can see that angle, but holy shit is it a good scene.
The make out scene as they’re tearing down Howard is one of the most revolting and despicable scenes in the series, I felt so much disgust and anger towards them
I actually have a legal question about Jimmy and Kim's sceme: assuming, uh, Lalo didn't happen; what on earth could Howard do legally against them? That's what I find kind of genious about the whole Howard scheme. Even if Howard had all the evidence in his hands, what could you charge Jimmy and Kim with legally? What they did was clearly immoral, but I can't think of a criminal or civil charge that would fit. Maybe intentional infliction of emotional distress, possibly defamation (tho, Jimmy and Kim never said anything about Howard, they kind of made him defame himself instead).
@themoviedealers yea that one too hahahaa ummm also criminal charges with the car... possible tort claim in nuisance for the bowling balls and damaging property.
@@eliemosesfor the defamation thing they would need a confession from the Kettlemans, but they are like blackmailed by kim. Best thing Howard could have done is maybe a blood/urine test ASAP to check if they find a substance (the one Jimmy used on the photos) in his body and check if its legal or not and if it is what would be its use maybe is a vet drug only...so this may give him a hint on how Jimmy obtained it (through a vet). Another thing is hiring his PI and do its best finding "Genindowski", who is he? Maybe there's a chance that he had legal problems in the past, someone Jimmy assisted? His face might be somewhere. Howard may even have his fingerprints on the envelope the fake PI used to put the photos in so if Genindowski has a criminal past those fingerprints may appear somewhere.
The issue is proving it. Not to say he couldn't eventually get the fake PI, the film crews, Lenny, the vet, etc. on record. It certainly seemed he'd be willing to put in the work to clear his name. It would be quite the web to unweave, though.
At this point I completely lost any sympathy for Jimmy and Kim. I remember when the episode came out I was sitting there after the end, unable to process what had just happened.
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"Can't rush the process" was like a statement from the creators to the audience, regarding the entire series.
I don't mind the slow pace IF a show is good, like it is the case with BCS. We definitely don't want another Game of Thrones situation.
Ooooh nice catch. I was a bit miffed about some of the slow burn, but I knew from my experience with BB that these geniuses/bastards like to build up just to bring it down on top of your head.
I love how the episode is called "Plan and Execution," and yet most of us could never in a million years have predicted what "execution" refers to until the scene actually happens. Hitchcock-level suspense
That second candle flame flicker filled me with dread the first time I saw this episode.
I love how Howard rotating the can and talking about "being prepared for anything" is mirrored by Lalo rotating the silencer and taking them all by surprise.
This wasn't even a planned duality either, the director of the episode just wanted to show off a trick his dad taught him as a kid
After this episode, I wasn't right for like a week. I was physically ill. This is how captivating they made this show.
Same. I got my friend to start watching it and I had to hide my pain lol. He caught up pretty quickly though. Was already crying by the time Lalo walked in when we watched it together haha.
This episode broke my heart. Howard did not deserve any of this.
41:05 - The cockroach was the nickname he had for Jimmy. So when he saw the insect, it reminded him who he had to visit next. 🙂
"Don't worry...he is like la cucaracha...born survivor"
"No one touches my stuff."
"Truer words were never spoken."
Shoutout to the film crew for all the fun they've given us.
Your comment about Lalo being treated as a supernatural being in the show is so spot on lol, the way that candle flickered so ominously it felt like a demon is entering the room. The way characters even utter his full name throughout the show with such gravitas, “Lalo Salamanca”, as if he’s otherworldly. Plus for Jimmy here he’s literally seeing a ghost walk in the door in his mind since he thinks he’s dead.
I love how the whole “law student reacts” thing goes out the window when Lalo shows up and turns the law soap opera turn into INSANITY 🔥 🔫
I think this is the most shocking episode in the Breaking Bad universe.
And thanks, Elie, for the indefatigable manner of your uploads.
I think I'm w/ you on that call, rpg7287. For me, the one-two punch of the single event that takes place over the To'hajiilee/Ozymandias episodes is a close 2nd, though (desert shootout, Hank, etc.). But yeah... This one just crushes. Took me days to get my head space back to normal after losin' Howard like this.
What's most tragic about this whole thing is that Howard died never knowing the truth: he was NOT responsible for driving Chuck to suicide! Jimmy had THREE seasons to tell him the truth. "It was me! I spilled Chuck's condition to the insurance company! I knew they would cancel the malpractice insurance! I knew it would compromise his chances of remaining a lawyer!" And yet he didn't even bother!
While it's true that Jimmy's leaking info about his brother to the insurance company was damaging to Chuck, I think placing total blame for Chuck's suicide on Jimmy (as you write, ""It was me!["]) is exaggerated and unfair. It was one contributing factor among many. Yes, Jimmy's actions resulted in the meeting Chuck & Howard had w/ the insurance folks where Chuck wouldn't compromise (and he could've), putting Howard in an awkward position. But at the same time, did Howard really have to kick Chuck out of the firm right then? Doesn't seem like it. In the end, Chuck was a very sick man w/ an inordinate amount of problems eating away at him. Mostly self inflicted, on top of the very sad mental illness. Jimmy wasn't to blame for Chuck's suicide. Howard wasn't to blame for Chuck's suicide. Hell, Rebecca wasn't to blame for Chuck's suicide. I honestly think that not just in this show, but in real life, if a person kills themselves there's almost never anyone else to blame. Not completely, anyway. Unless it's some kind of freakish situation; like a captive in war being held in horrific/torturous conditions knowing there's no chance at escape. This wasn't one of those situations. Chuck killed himself. And it's just sad.
@ForcesInMotion The point remains that from the Season 4 premiere onward, Jimmy knew the truth, he knew Howard was hurting, and yet he didn't care to tell him his own role in it.
@@williamkerfoot8039 Of this, there is no doubt :(
In season 4, Howard tells Jimmy about his insomnia, and how he wouldn't wish it on his worst enemy.
At the end of season 5, Lalo tells Nacho he doesn't sleep much, maybe an hour or two at night, and that he likes it, but some people call it a curse
Just another example of the greatest writing and storytelling I've ever seen from a TV show (including breaking bad as a part of the same universe of course)
"...the greatest writing and storytelling I've ever seen from a TV show..." This. 100%. Endless love and respect to all things BCS.
Jimmy is seeing a f*ing ghost! And Bob Odenkirk portrays it perfectly. Heart attack level. Thank you Elie!
you dirty dog !
Considering Odenkirk actually had a real life heart attack while filming this episode, thats an uhhh interesting entendre.
@@saltlakeatrocity9771I might be wrong but I thought that happened while filming a scene in the next episode
@@tentinquarantino3005it was the next episode
I just realized something.. when jimmy says 'How...' at the end when lalo comes into their house, kim immediately covers for him by saying 'howard, howard' - as if that was what jimmy was attempting to say but couldn't get it all out (as opposed to 'knowing' that lalo was dead because of the 'hit').
other thing - I swear that the beginning scene with the AV guy was a direct homage to 'Glengarry Glen Ross', an awesome ensemble 1992 film with Al Pacino, Kevin Spacey, Alan Arkin, Alec Baldwin, Jack Lemon and others.. that may just be worth a reaction.
anyways, yeah this one was rough.. howard definitely did not deserve it. killed (amongst other things) because lalo noticed a cockroach at the beginning and got an idea.
I don't really think that's the case. I think it was just Kim urgently trying to get Howard to understand how serious the situation was.
Kim was told by an ADA that Lalo was dead. It wasn't exactly a secret that the attack on his house happened, and it wouldn't be suspicious for a shady lawyer to have heard about it.
@@hbk314 I think it's both. Lalo was full of suspicion that jimmy wasn't telling the truth earlier - and the implication of 'how..' is 'how could you possibly be alive' further implying that he was in the know of the plot in the hit. The fear in his eyes further suggests this, that he has a reason for his fear - his guilt. And Kim repeats it three times, first how..ard (with a pause) then howard, then HOWARD. you need to leave.
I also think that breaking bad confirms jimmy's need to cover this up with him claiming over and over it was ignacio, not him.
worst thing about this episode was the 49-day hiatus before the next episode
LMFAO. Yes. That was absolutely B R U T A L
"We can't wait six weeks"
Bravo Sir - I knew you'd love this episode. Your combination of excitement, shock, silence and reflection right at the end tells you they did a superb job not just with this episode, but overall. And once again you knew exactly which episode you'd be streaming about! 2 out of 2 so far!
I never thought a tv episode can rival Ozymandias, this does
this episodes seems like a combination of Chicanery (successfully completing the scheme and humiliating their target ) and Bad Choice Road, the last two minutes were like a horror movie by presence of Lalo
Exactly that's why there are my 3 favorites episodes of the show, although i love Pimento, Winner and 2 other episodes in season 6
This episode is absolutely on par with Ozymandias
I would still give Ozymandias the edge, simply because it stars out with the huge, shocking (but inevitable in retrospect) death, and then the whole rest of the episode shows Walt’s entire world collapsing around him as the consequences of everything he’s done come home to roost, while this one ends with the shocking death and everyone just stunned speechless, and we have to wait to next episode to see Jimmy & Kim start to experience the fallout from what they’ve done. It’s almost like this episode and the next one together makes up this show’s “Ozymandias”.
@@briangonigal3974 I'm not sure why you're completely disregarding the climax of Jimmy and Kim's plan play out on screen considering how important it is for their characters.
Great episode, but nowhere near Ozymandias 🤷♂️
Elie, you’ve been killing it with the BCS reactions but man oh man, one of the best episodes of TV period! Howard didn’t deserve any of this but let’s give a round of applause for Patrick Fabian’s performance here!
YESSSIRR!!
Except for the part where he died with his mouth open. He advised never to die that way as an actor afterwards. lol
I didn't understand why Lalo opened the call to the nursing home in Spanish both times until rewatch. He's making sure the person holding the phone for Hector won't be able to eavesdrop.
Last scene had my heart beating so quick I’ve never felt so anxious and uneasy when watching show ever
When this episode aired, all i felt was dread when Lalo showed up because i so feared for Howard. And for all of your opinions about Kim based solely on her expression while Howard spoke, notice how quickly and sincerely she tried to get Howard to leave to protect him.
"And for all of your opinions about Kim based solely on her expression while Howard spoke, notice how quickly and sincerely she tried to get Howard to leave to protect him." Yeah... Gotta say, I didn't get the feeling AT ALL that Kim and/or Jimmy were suppressing laughter, or in any way enjoying listening to Howard in that scene. There was simply nothing for them to say. What could they say? They had to keep the lie going. Their actions led to Howard's murder and they have to live with that. But in that moment, I don't believe they were taking any pleasure in listening to/seeing Howard's pain.
Here we go! He's about to have a fit this episode I can feel it.
This is the episode. This is the only episode I've been waiting for.
No tv death has ever impacted me like Howards death. Was so visceral and gut wrenching watching it live when it aired.
Ever since I first saw the scene with Howard swirling around the soda can and explaining Chuck taught it to him, I've noticed every time Jimmy has his hand on a glass of something he swivels his glass the exact same way. This show is insane with the level of detail I stg
They brushed the substance on the photos so his eyes will dialate so he looks high. It goes through the skin, not injection.
the accumulation of factors and feelings on this final scene is priceless. You have Lalo being alive (which Jimmy did not know), the culmination of Howard's "prank" altho it was way more than a prank, the fact Howard is breaking his politeness and protocol to express his "doneness" with them and the tension of the lie that may come out on their conversation...you think they can't get any stronger with the drama since it's already a confrontation point almost climaxy... until lalo cames... and it's like both dramas colide into one of the most unexpected and not deserved deaths of all BB universe (climax got climaxier basically)
The fact they put the karma of what they were doing into Howard and not them is in terms of script trully beautiful, since Jimmy has little contience to feel remorse and Kim was so sure about the perfection of the plan in terms of no one ever being able to find out, except for Howard, who, if continued to acuse them would just get more suspicion on himself, they were fearless about Howy coming in to incriminate them, the guilt was inconceivable at the point these two got. But they did not aim to kill him or make any phisical damage at all ever.. so Lalo coming in as the Karma bearer(without even knowing it and being the bad guy he is), did the one thing that seemed imposible at this point of the series (im sure based on your disagreeing with teir new dinamic as a couple, plotting against Howard felt it similar) he made them regret his choices and forget about all the "fun" as they call it.
which to me is very jsutified. Rigid correct people get the thrill when they get their first chance to be bad, as in kids from religious families getting rebel.. that's why i like her construction aswell, its real, like you just get it, she is in love, she wants to let him be himself and wants to participate at the same time as to try herself now that she is not obligated to be bad as with her mom, she is choosing to "try" and got stuck in the enjoyment of the new experience.
Oh man... we're almost at the end but i'm so greatful you got to this epidose as fast as you did since, as you may understand now, im sure EVERYONE WAS DYING TO SEE YOU REACT TO THIS ONE!!! thx for your reaction!!
also.. the candle, if you notice they made a connection when they open the door to Howard, I think Kim is left on the coach and they focus on it as in "blown candle=open door, guys" so the next time the candle appears you go "wait wha? the door?" naah trully art love this series so much im mad at the brilliance, k bye lol
This episode blows my mind.
I see what you did there.
I watched breaking bad and better call saul with my mum and sister about 6 months ago and we all think BB is still a slightly better show but those last 5 minutes are the best this universe has ever been. When Lalo kills Howard and that ep ends we all sat there in silence for about 5 minutes not believing what we just saw. Its true perfect tv
Dont worry about "messing up" your one take openings dude, just makes the whole thing more natural! Your energy is contagious either way.
Howard did the exact same thing Chuck did in season 3- 100% figure out Jimmy’s unbelievable antics!!
One of the best episodes of television
Every time I watch this episode I remember how much they made you dislike Chuck and Howard in the beginning, and how much everyone was rooting for Jimmy and Kim. This show masterfully completes the flipping of the script in this episode - you are gutted for Howard and realize that Chuck was 100% right about Jimmy, and end up disgusted with both Kim and Jimmy. Amazing show.
You said your jaw dropped. Mine literally dropped when Howard was shot. I had never actually experienced that before. I tweeted about it and a couple of people said the same thing. It just fell open. It was so unexpected and so upsetting.
Absolutely brilliant acting.
I am guessing Lalo would have heard Howard say he was going to dedicate his life to exposing the truth.....
Andrea and the little kid were innocent victims, too.
This definitely shocked me the most in both shows. It was so perfect and it was right in front of you the whole time but so hard to expect it.
There's a world where instead of Lalo killing Howard he ropes himself or gets drunk and crashes his car in despair; so even though the scenario was unpredictable and dramatic it doesn't absolve Kimmy and Jimmy for what they did to get Howard there.
They're insane if they genuinely thought there'd by no serious ramifications for Howard.
1000% howard was gonna be severely damaged from this no matter what. There was only soo much you could bear from that positive outlook. You could argue Lalo ended his suffering or potential suffering but that may be a stretch. I will forever despise Jimmy and Kim for that. I don't like them atm 🤣🤣
@@eliemoses yah I believe Howard when he said he would have made it through and back on his feet.
He proved his strength of spirit these past three seasons while Kim and Jimmy just quadrupled down on their worst impulses and rejected the help and opportunities they did have to be better.
Here we had Kim literally directing the action. (Lady Macbeth!)
I'm a bit surprised that Elie missed the significance of the cockroach in the sewer after Lalo had previously told Saul he was like a "cucaracha."
Oh yeah..I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict this one gets a live stream...strictly a wild guess 😇
Lol. Never ever did I see someone who got excited once Lalo showed up and for good 5 seconds was basically like "yeah laloooooo let's go, that's the help Howard needed" 🤣
before realising the whole scene will end up baaaaad
Without even knowing, they all had a part in Howard's Downfall/Death. The Actor, Film Students, Kim, Jimmy, and Lalo.
ELIEEEEE thank you again for this cant wair for the stream
algorithm comment! let's gooooo! hair looking sharp Elie! will be great 1 hour treat! 🥰
Watching this from a perpective from a law student is quite interesting. Best of luck in your career ✌️
Thank you 🙌
Most pivotal episode of the whole series.
I'm sorry , pal, but I absolutely loved seeing you get "played" by the fake PI who was working for Jimmy the entire time. They always had 2 sets of pictures. They just had to do the quick re-shoot with the fake judge having a cast. Notice in the dark room they grab pictures from two "clotheslines", but only brush on the liquid drugs onto one set. Then stuff them in 2 separate envelopes. Thank you for the greatest reactions - hands down!! Looking forward to more.
Ahh yes this episode lol.. Just remember, Kim is a good person!!!!!!! /s
Two of the worst things that ever happened on the show were:
-Andrea being executed by Jack's gang
-Jimmy conned Irene
Those two things were some of the most disgusting and despicable actions ever done in the shows...
And then there's plan and execution. For 7 episodes (counting the finale of S5) we've been watching, whitout a clue, the scam that Jimmyband Kim are pulling.
For 2 years there were a lot of theories about what would happen and once the season finally aired there was a common feeling: everyone felt absolutely disgusted with Jimmy and Kim. This was the peak because the episode starts with a classical BCS montage happy scam but once it happens you only feel disgust and maybe hatred towards Jimmy and Kim.
And then boom. Howard's gone.
This episode break the fandom because no one saw coming Howard's literal demise. Also itnwaa a torture having to wait 6 weeks for the next episode
No one knew except those that saw the accidental spoiler
I always thought Bob had his heart attack while filming the final scene, but now re-watching this, I think it might have been at the start of the episode where he's running all around the place, panicking, and there's the complicated one-take scene at the park where he's non-stop for like 5 or 10 minutes.
Bob had an heart attack while filming the first scene of episode 8. You can see that the camera moves from Lalo POV to Jimmy&Kim's one. The crew filmed one POV then they had to move the cameras and the rest of the equipment before filming the other POV so they emptied the room. Patrick, Rhea, Bob and Tony moved into another room, Bob was on an exercise bike in that other room when thing happened. Luckily there were people there who gave him the first help (Rhea and Patrick). We were this close to loosing him, just imagine if he had gone to his dressing room or to the bathroom and not stayed with the other actors...
It’s been a year but still, R.I.P. Howard. You didn’t deserve any of this.
Oh you mentioned Howard was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but I argue that he was absolutely in the RIGHT place at the wrong time. He had every right to be there to confront them for what they had done, it's just unfortunate that Lalo was still out there (and Kim withheld that bit of critical info from Jimmy).
The twisting of the can to stop it from exploding kinda mirrors lalo screwing on the silencer
Lalo back from his European Vacation, but definitely not National Lampoons! Lalo of course much more devious than Tuco, Eladio and Hector but every bit as ruthless. Doing is Andy Dufresne bit is the sewers. Jimmy assembling his team again of camera guy, sound guy and make up girl. Kim of course doing her Spielberg bit as well. Howard being extra smarmy towards Irene insisting she use the wheelchair. Judge Casimiro gives his spiel, and Howard for once is lost for words, but then Howard uses his info and asks Julie to get the envelope. Great sound of crackling on Kim and Jimmy's mobile as the envelope is being opened and then we see the photos. It's the very same as Chuck, where he was made to look mad in front of everyone. Cliff insists that they settle now or it will cost millions. Kim and Jimmy shagging while Cliff makes his statement of settlement is something else! No live stream for Lalo, but a video for Don Eladio, that was the technology of course in this time period. Gus hiding in clear sight again with his community support and photo ops. Mike warning Fring that Lalo will act, and lets face it Mike is never wrong. When Howard arrives at Jimmy and Kim's he bring the Macallan. Howard of course is genuinely hurt not so much about the Sandpiper case, but because they made him look like a drug addict in his peers eyes. Kim is totally emotionless but Howard gives it to them. Was waiting for Elie to see Lalo appear at the apartment for one of the great jaw dropping scenes form either show. Howard gets brutally whacked by Lalo and, one the great characters from The BBverse is another one the suffer in the Domino Effect. Jimmy and Kim now really do feel for Howard but it's all too late. Another utterly fantastic episode.
The ironic thing about the con here is it only worked because they know Howard is going to not be able to resist the super dramatic outburst during the mediation. I'm fairly sure that if he'd kept quiet and then revealed the evidence he believed he had, that they'd be able to do something retroactively but obviously, because the judge guy wasn't actually in their pocket anyway, the mediation would have gone in their favour. Obviously if he'd kept quiet and then looked at his evidence afterward, it'd have changed but without the public embarrassing outburst and he'd go "ah, they tried to fuck me but I didn't fall for it. Ha".
So the only way their con works is because they've accurately surmised his personality and vulnerabilities. It's very similar to the Chuck situation both ways, in both cases they are right that Jimmy is to blame in an insanely unbelievable way but in Chucks case, ultimately it was that he didn't want to be seen to have made even a tiny mistake so he blew it up into a career ending thing and in this case Howard blew up his big thing trying to prove that it was Jimmy. Obviously it's a lot more unfair in the latter though.
I gotta admit, I'm a little disappointed that I didn't see Iron Man fly into a wall at the end there.
Not since Mike's death have I ever had so much anger for a main character. RIP Howard
Lalo seeing the cockroach crawling in the sewer is what most likely reminded him of Jimmy and Kim; as this serves as a reference to Season 5 episode "Bagman", where Lalo tells Kim that Jimmy (whilst stranded in the desert) has the survival skills of a cucaracha (Spanish for 'cockroach').
I keep referencing Macbeth. No one else has, that I have seen and I have not looked up any interviews to see if they discussed how much they were inspired by Macbeth, but to me it is obvious. The candle scene is further confirmation for me.
I haven't heard/read any references to Macbeth either, from the show's writers/actors, or tv writers/critics. But I myself have often told friends and family that I feel BCS is "Shakespearean" in its scope, quality, and brilliant use of language. It's been forever, but I'll have to seek out Macbeth again :)
"It's going to be like I'm not even here."--Lalo Salamanca, 4x8
Rich, Cliff, and Howard all in one room 🔥
The final act of Jimmy and Kimmy! Howard done in by La Cucaracha
I think my exact words when this episode ended were "Someone needs to get these sickos off the streets."
I've seen some big deaths in television and the fan response to Howards murder was legitimately the most raw mourning I've ever seen in a fandom; it was like he was a real person.
I predicted the Howard twist in Pimento in like the first two episodes and he was my second favorite character until Chuck died (my first) then he became my number one; and I'd watched week to week from the premiere so this episode was difficult.
My twitter profile picture was literally Hamlindigo Blue for half a year afterwards.
My grief was tempered by the fact that Patrick Fabian got every actor's dream: an absolutely fantastic death scene!
The climax of the show and top 3 episodes for me. Unexpecting deaths i didn't know and at these moments of the show.
Wayyyy back when you first mentioned that Lalo was becoming one of your favorite villains, I'd wondered if you'd retain that opinion or eat those words upon this episode after knowing the impact Lalo would have on one of your favorite characters.
I do enjoy the parallel in breaking bad and better call Saul of choices and consequences. Inadvertently, it was Walt’s fault why Jane’s dad crashed planes together and caused so much sorrow for Jesse and others. Just like it was inadvertently Kim and Saul’s fault for Howard’s downfall, and being in the position that he was in.
Bruh I haven’t even watched the vid yet and I’m so excited
I feel your Arsenal pain as a season ticket holder…keep on going, great reactions…
this was an amazing reaction to an amazing episode of TV... thank you Elie... and I cant wait for the stream it will be a banger and so much to talk about... hope I can make it to the stream and if I cant i will be here in the comments section^^ chat soon!
Hope you enjoyed it!
Best reaction ever
I hate everything about this plot line, Howard didn't deserve any of this
I thought you were gonna be super mad and jump out of that chair. But I guess you can't help but appreciate the story execution.
Mike and Gus aren't aware because all the guys were pulled from their posts.
34:52-35:03 You should have replaced "$hithousery" (?) with "chicanery." You know?
"You gotta respect the execution", lol.
(sorry, it's dark and I know you didn't mean it that way, but given the double meaning of the word "Execution" in the episode's title, I couldn't help myself XD)
Nah i agree hahaha u gotta respeeccc it
crazy that this one has a 9.9 rating on imdb
Heartbreaking and brutal. I can't tell you how much I was seething at and disgusted by Jimmy and Kim's recent behavior, but especially this episode.
There's speculation that Howard's last line was meant to be something along the lines of "There's no need for violence" or "There's no need for you to hurt them". Either one speaks volumes about his character, that he would try to protect their worthless asses after what they did to him.
RIP Howard: you might have been an ass at times, but you were a good man doing better. I wish you had lived to sweep the floor with the Goodmans, but this show called Breaking Bad made it impossible.
Yes sirrrrrr yk what time it is
Hilarious joke on Erin. Love sticking it to women literally just doing their jobs.
First!
Edited so I don't lose first 😏
Anyway - after watching the series through for a second time I feel awful for how I felt about Howard. I was sad about his death but didn't originally care for it so much but after watching it through again it makes me mad how Jimmy and Kim treated Howard. Yeah he was a bit of a douche being chucks puppet but he couldn't afford to lose chuck. He really wanted to make things right with Jimmy after chucks death and to see them rip his reputation apart bit by bit, I don't think I can live with myself for being so detached from Howard's good hearted character.
R.I.P Howard 😢
Crazy Fact: Bob Odenkirk had a heart attack filming the last scene of the episode
Omagad omagad, i've literally been waiting for this one since your season 1 reactions
Most Unfair Death of All Time
Sup Moses. long time. John Davies and Laura say the miss you terribly.
Hahahah good to hear from you Harley. God Bless hope you are doing well 💚💚
They destroyed his reputation then killed him
In retrospect, there isn't a single actor in all of Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul or El Camino, who isn't on their Grade-A acting game.
I honestly can't think of a single actor's performance, which didn't fit and made me think "Eeh, that's a bit off".
This show and its cast are masterclass through and through.
Also, quite funny how you despise Kim and Jimmy so much, it completely escaped you how Howard immediately became a witness, who has to die, as soon as Lalo walked in, and you cheered his appearance!
immediately cheered then quickly came to terms that it was over for howard then second lalo was probaly in that block of units
Personally I wasn't a huge fan of Lalo's plotline throughout season's 5 and 6. He's a well acted, funny character, but his superhuman-ness (and plot armor lets be honest, killing an entire team of "best in the business" hitmen) was a bit much for me, and I was unsure if they could tie him back into the broader plot in a satisfying way. But man, that final scene really paid it off. The fact that Lalo is such an absurdly dangerous character makes the immediate flood of dread so strong when you see Jimmy's reaction. Lalo is fr a demon bringing death and there's no way out.
Some people think Howard's death was too cheap and convenient, and I can see that angle, but holy shit is it a good scene.
This ep 😭
The make out scene as they’re tearing down Howard is one of the most revolting and despicable scenes in the series, I felt so much disgust and anger towards them
I reallly was burning inside seeing that... but that's great writing. Seeing the villains getting away with it like that.
Let's gooo
I actually have a legal question about Jimmy and Kim's sceme: assuming, uh, Lalo didn't happen; what on earth could Howard do legally against them?
That's what I find kind of genious about the whole Howard scheme. Even if Howard had all the evidence in his hands, what could you charge Jimmy and Kim with legally? What they did was clearly immoral, but I can't think of a criminal or civil charge that would fit. Maybe intentional infliction of emotional distress, possibly defamation (tho, Jimmy and Kim never said anything about Howard, they kind of made him defame himself instead).
maybe defamation, possibly put their practicing certificates into question and getting them disbarred?
Drugging him without consent?
@themoviedealers yea that one too hahahaa ummm also criminal charges with the car... possible tort claim in nuisance for the bowling balls and damaging property.
@@eliemosesfor the defamation thing they would need a confession from the Kettlemans, but they are like blackmailed by kim.
Best thing Howard could have done is maybe a blood/urine test ASAP to check if they find a substance (the one Jimmy used on the photos) in his body and check if its legal or not and if it is what would be its use maybe is a vet drug only...so this may give him a hint on how Jimmy obtained it (through a vet). Another thing is hiring his PI and do its best finding "Genindowski", who is he? Maybe there's a chance that he had legal problems in the past, someone Jimmy assisted? His face might be somewhere.
Howard may even have his fingerprints on the envelope the fake PI used to put the photos in so if Genindowski has a criminal past those fingerprints may appear somewhere.
The issue is proving it. Not to say he couldn't eventually get the fake PI, the film crews, Lenny, the vet, etc. on record. It certainly seemed he'd be willing to put in the work to clear his name. It would be quite the web to unweave, though.
At this point I completely lost any sympathy for Jimmy and Kim. I remember when the episode came out I was sitting there after the end, unable to process what had just happened.
Photoshop existed 10 years before this, you child. But those are just different pictures.
😢
Dude got excited when Lalo walked in, I felt pure dread, especially for Howard.
yea I got excited then calculations in my mind quickly said howard is done
Not very observant counselor. Just which episode did Jimmy get an injection in?
Elie is a Zelda fan?
Howie 😢
Bob Odenkirk had a massive heart attack during the filming of that ending scene
wrong.
That happened while filming the following episode. I wont go further cause I dont want to give spoilers
Not true, stop spreading misinformation
Bye, Howard