Passive gila is for gamma, and its like 30-400 mill build. I did T3 so easily, never lost any. In T4 only lost because I'm not experienced and did stupid things. you have 130/sec regen. and gamma raise by 30-50% :)
If you do T4 i suggest you have full T2 modules and faction shield relay + faction shield extended+ two cheap implants like 100 mil each. You will earn that 200 mil back very fast in T4.
I used to fit Gila passive to T5, it was a perfect abyss farmer until Drifter BS 2 shot you and I lost nearly 5b fit. Luckily it was in Sisi so I lose nothing but I still not touch Abyss yet because of it.
Also, I would highly recommend using passive hardeners (with maxed compensations) for a passive tank, however, that takes quite a bit of room. Its by no means impossible, the fit price is about the same, the tank is far less (better buffer though for tight spots), reasonable sig radius. But again, it wont be able to sustain even T3 dps for a long period of time. [Gila, Passive Gila] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner Pithum A-Type EM Shield Amplifier Pithum A-Type Thermal Shield Amplifier Pithum A-Type Kinetic Shield Amplifier Thukker Large Shield Extender Thukker Large Shield Extender Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
1. The difference in signature is negligible. 2. Active fits are way more expensive than passive fits, at least in the high-end-area. Blinging shield boosters gets you into the billions quickly, you don't have that with extenders. As for hardeners: Both use them. 3. The capacitor warfare resistance bonus is nice, but if they shut you down, you're done. No resists, no buffer, no active, and negligible passive regen. With the passive fit, you still have time because regen and buffer are still there. You have a greater margin of error and can survive periods of thirst longer. You can't control strong neut pressure by pulsing your reps and bleeding into a buffer that is negligible. 4. Overheating hardeners can be done on the passive fit as well, with less danger of burning something out as it's less modules to manage. 5. Dislike for calling people idiots who are not idiots and being an arrogant prick about it. The passive Gila is well established for Gamma. There are people doing T6 with it. Good for you if you have an active fit that works. But passive tanking a Gila works too. It's also more friendly for beginners, not only because it's cheaper for the higher tiers, but also because it's fewer Modules to manage.
I couldn't see passive working for a t6 and I am nervous to risk a hg pod and a gila to give it a shot. Yes my active fit costs a lot of isk but I have earned many many bil over what it cost me. Wanna say 5 or 6b with pod for active gila exotics. Mostly from the type a hardeners and repper. 800m rolled cap battery. Full hg crystal + other implants. I never get capped out, not even close. Two of my rigs are the memory capacitor things. The only slightly challenging rooms are edencom battleship spawns and if the sparkgrips get close enough to blast me. Doable, just takes more effort.
@@benjaminhunt7947 Only need mid grade Nirvanas according to this guy. Doesn't make any sense to change a running system for you ofc. th-cam.com/video/YIo0AmQS0EM/w-d-xo.html
I have done 100 T6 abyssals in an active fit. The only time neut pressure becomes a challenge is if you get the room with 8 cruisers. If you focus them down right away it shouldn't be a problem, might need to pulse your rep a bit. Other than those neuts there are no disadvantages. I ran in a passive first and while I never died, when you get hit with a lot of DPS you have to wait in the room for a minute or two to recharge. The difference in sig radius is also something like 30%. Tldr: Active is a bit more challenging but faster.
i have 32 mil sp so im in no means a vet but this video makes sense to me why are you getting upset about him saying that this fit is bad. 1. sig radius of -50% or more doesnt seem ngligible 2. the gila costs 300 mil? are you proud that you can fit it with 20 mil in modules? 3. you passive tank at peak regen which is 30% of your buffer which is the same as an active fit even new shield tankers know this. 4. but you wont get more shield regen with overheat so less tank anyways. 5. at least he is helping with "VERY!!! good advice" so calling him arrogant while hes spending effort doing this video is the same to me on your part. dont be a beginner flying a gila and start with a vexor or with contend that the gila is able to overtank.
Yeah, at one point I was experimenting with a passive shield tengu for mission running and the thing had the ehp of a battleship, the passive regen of an active fit, was fast, but the sig radius was through the roof, and it just soaked damage like crazy. People would never think how important is sig radius. Since that I use a sig tanked fit, barely any ehp, no reps, yet it is a lot more efficient in staying alive... Well, as long as it is not webbed...
What I dont like about the tengu for that reason alone is if you want some damn good dps you gotta run HAMs and the javelins just dont have the damage to quickly neutralize stasis structures/frigates before you take heavy damage yourself. Loki is kinda better in that regard because you can active or jury rig a passive on it and use artillery if need be to just blap it quickly and then get out of range while making sure speed and sig is low enough.
That explains it! thank you! Was running loads and loads of Tier 3s in Passive tank Gila and as a newbie was v proud of my fit - my 45k ehhp shields, my 110hp/s pass repair & my 550dps offensive. Then that one L3 Elec in 10-20 where the big ones (and and over mind I think) all arrive at once & i'm matchsticks. I was wondering how anybody like me could ever ever do 4-5s. Was looking at the teeny tiny %s on everything (modules, training, boosters) and getting disheartened, that it was maybe my flying that was s**t. Now i realise I was probably doing a good job of flying (to survive what I did) and good job of squeezing my fitting, I was just fitting the wrong way. so thank you for explaining!! I totally think I'm ready to shift to active fits :D
"Who told you this was a good idea?! Yeah I'm gonna need to talk to them. After I'm done slapping their lips, I'm gonna need you to come back over here so I can sting your chin. Get this shit outta my dojo, your kung fu is weak and you need to learn from your mistakes."
Well Thank you for humbling me on this Hard lesson. I don't mind been the idiot that asked if this will do t4 as your explanation saved myself and lots of others 345 mil isk. Which by the way is all i had. You also explained why its bad and many people don't do that. I put everything in to build that fit LMAO. it's hard to destroy 60 mil worth of rig Slots but worth it in the end. Thank you for helping me and keep up the good work HateLeeS
Yeah it's good he helped and explained the mistake...I just disliked the nooooo reaction it was pretty condescending tbh, this is a problem for me with many Eve players, it's like 'why don't you know as much as me you idiot' I'm a teacher irl if I talked to a student like that I'd be in trouble, relax remember basic manners, just some free advice, othwise good video
Passive Gila is the go to now for T4. I run so many and can just sit on the gate and tank any waves damage. Webs and neuts have 0 effect on the ship and it works 100% still with 0 cap left.
В любом случаи НЕ дорогие фиты для 1-4 лвл бездн изза новых респов Эдэмкома и Конкорда!!! И спасибо HateLesS_Gaming за то что обяснил людям о "пасивной гиле" аплодирую стоя ;-)
thanks mate =) put through google translate. In any case, NOT expensive fits for 1-4 lvl of the abyss due to the new respawns of Edemcom and Concord !!! And thanks to HateLesS_Gaming for explaining to people about the "passive gil" I give a standing ovation ;-)
I use this fit with one extra extender and a passive thermal resistance amp to replace the invulns. blinged everything minus the guns and link augmenter with +3% shield capacity and regen implants. I did 3 different Karen rooms this week with webs and nuets in t4 today just fine. gotta heat ab on the way in before you get hard neuted to get within ~20k of Karen.
Exactly the same fit for me and same results.. I have had no problem with T4s in this fitting.. though the arguments he makes are good, and I would definitely go Active for T5..
To be fair I did some T4 and T5 abyss in a passive Gila back in 2018 but I actually preferred to rig them for max hp rather than recharge and go full damage in the lows... with genolution implants and 5% hardwirings you have 50k raw shield hp in a gamma abyss using 4 RPF LSE's alongside a mwd and a deadspace invul. (genolution is required for powergrid if mwd is used and I usually prefer ab anyway). With the nirvana implant set (which may or may not have been in the game back then, I certainly didnt have any) you can get 74k raw shield hp with t2 rigs and 4 RPF LSE's and end up with 171k-186k ehp depending on if you heat your invul or not. The reason I only had 1 invul was because it was much more resilient to heat damage than a dual invul fit (which easily top 200k+ ehp heated with nirvana set), the thing to remember is that you don't need to be att full hp at the end and you only do a minute or 2 of hard tanking in each room, that said I always disliked the recharge rigged gilas because once you go past the sweetspot of shieldregen you go down fast... the hp rigged ones take much longer to go that low and have wider "powerband" for the recharge if that makes sense. and in gamma sites with nirvana set a hp rigged gila is still looking at 500ehp shield recharge/second at its peak while dishing out 650ish dps of the correct damagetype. I did lose my Gila later that year but that was after I refitted to active tank and got overconfident running the wrong type.
Interesting. Found your site from your raid on Oz's trading stream. Have been tempted to get into Abyssals and this was very informative - will watch again :)
Mmmm? all 4 abyss (except dark) and 5 gamma - I run on passive Gila without any problems. With imps, of cause. Actually I buy 4 abyss firestorms and run them. And I don't use invules, only amplifers on term(usually, besause of triglavs spawns) and EM if I go to electric. 4 marshals - no problems :) Angels - just drop tractor where they web me. So passive Gila is possible.
Caldari Navy Shield Power Relay Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Republic Fleet Large Shield Extender Pithum A-Type Thermal Shield Amplifier Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II I used this fit from aceface for t4 gammas and did over 100 runs with it and never lost it.
He's right i have not played abyss in a long time but i ran an extremely bling (4bil not including the abyssal mods)gila through hundreds and finally died to neuts shutting off my hardeners
@@HateLesSGaming Yep almost lost it and I hate losing couple hundred million on ships. I have high Caldari skills meaning shields is very high and ran into that battleship or carrier whatever it was. It happened just as you said I lost afterburner and shield resist. They had me at no resist, passive is not really passive in some scenarios. Also that was just T3.
Passive gilas can be insanely stable, but these fits wont be cheap. I ran t6 exotics / gammas and even firestorms with them, totally fine. But they're mostly for gammas ofcourse.
@@HateLesSGaming no problem with passive gila in any room up to gamma T6. Only room that broke me a ship was a room with Karybdis Tyrannos and staight 9 neut scyllas and 4 web scyllas, and i doubt you would make this in any other fit, so its not a passive thing, its a death-room thing.
Definitely exceptionally late to the party but this fit that I'm seeing on your screen is definitely not what it should be also mine has easily almost triple of the passive Shield regeneration and it survives oddly enough in t5s. You don't need Nirvanas really for t4s whatsoever but once you start Crossing into t5s it starts becoming mandatory mid grades if possible.
while i agree that passive gilas have their limits running filaments, passive tanks are the absolute best for 1v1s where you can become literally unkillable in a 1v1.
When ever I try one of these active gila setups it works fine, until I run into one of those 5+ neuter spawns that streamers for some reason don't seem to get, but I get every 10 spawns. It just zaps my cap instantly and then I die before it can tick back enough to even turn my resists back on. But I agree that the linked "passive" gila is shit cause it is not passive at all. I have a passive one that runs just as well with no cap left and it tanks 600-1000 dps depending on resist.
The trick is to target them first and then only run you repper as needed the cap on a proper active fit can handle alot more nuet pressure then you think you just have to pulse the reps
@@HateLesSGaming iam not, but already done 200+ t3 gamma with my passive gila, its easy and can be done semi-afk, but in t4 gamma its not working too well, i tried t4 gamma and everything was fine in first 4 runs, on 5 i lose gila ^_^. Now iam going to fit active gila for t4 electrical, i hope i will be safe. See you in space.
@@Xianenberg yea gamma is the exception to the rule for sure there has been and still is an issue where groups much larger then myself say a passive Gila works for all abyss amd that's simply not true every rule and guidance does have exceptions
Me sitting here with a passive gila that does 271hp/s regen (tho i have no clue what it does with an extender swapped for an afterburner or warpthing as im not at my computer) Why is he saying no so much... Shows fitting and it does 95hp/s regen... Ahh thats why because its fitted with garbage Mine is fitted with a mixture of thukker and republic mutaplasmid shield extenders 74% cap stable with afterburner off obviously so ive never had an issue having my cap sucked away and needing to turn stuff off but i exclusively do T3 gamma i think it is and always just walk right on through
Thats a cheap passive tank fit if you actually put some isk into it and buy some good implants you can get it to have 300+ hp/sec regen and the karen ship is really easy to beat
So lets say I have a Passive Tanked Gila from running Escalations and other PvE content and I refit everything except the Field Purgers to the fit from your T3 Guide Active Gila and have max shield skills and a better AB, will that perform just as well or are the rigs essential?
I fly a passive gila sometimes but I have those crazy expensive new implants and max HP abyssal LSEs. So can tank more than any active gila. But it's not cheap.
I've had success running T3 Gammas and Exotics on my passive Gila. I have an active Gila I use for Electricals and the occasional Firestorm. Definitely not going to use passive Gila for anything T4, but its fine for certain T3s IMO. IT's like, passive fits are lazy fits and you need to stop being lazy about halfway through T3s. 😅
Good video! I notice you have a stable tank on your Gila. Is there something I'm missing? My replication of that fit gives me a cap of 3.19.. Only stable with MSB off
Do not fly passive Gila so people can gank You. My passive Gila with nirvana set has 150k oh ehp, 187hp/s recharge and can face tank every single room up to t6. Karen or whatever, nothing beats it.
@@Cyb3rSiggi Invul, 3x LSE + shield expanders. In gamma its not about tank but how fasy you kill stuff so you need to use DDAs in low slots. Pro tip: use aug hammers for ephiliates spawn.
Repeated relinking of fake news like this does not make them any better, you know? Go ask dozens of T5/6 passive Gila players who (according to this story here) should NEVER have made it past T3...
And why use a DLA instead of a NOS? The DLA makes no Sense in Abyss and with NOS you can also regain some Cap if its really needed and you missed to kill the Neuts before
Was that even a passive Gila? arent those Orange Shields not the Shield hardeners? they are not Passive tho. yea in this specc you Die 100%. but not with 4 Shield extenders and 1 Thermal Shield amplifier. im fully passive and i can basicly stand still and faceTank all the shit. ^^ there 1 group you need to manage. Yea its a very slow Fit, but it does the job 200%
Passive Gilas are for Gamma Filaments. I run a very similar one in T4s comfortably, and when it comes to webs and neuts, ignore the webs, don't be an idiot.
I can easily run a t5 in a passive gila reliably.. I can see how your concerns for that particular fit have some merit in regards to the double omni resist mods and afterburner, but the falsehoods in regard to the passive gila overall shows a bit of ignorance on your part.
I get this comment alot and this video comes from experiance there are exceptions to this and proper passive fits that work but in every scenario a active or hybrid fit does better then a passive one
Lost two 900mil gilas (w 3 implants) ...with the passive 4x LS 1 hardener 2shield relays in lows ..to the same combo twice in a row. That is 4-6dissipators , 4-6 entanglers + Karen. The only way a passive fit will survive this combo is if you're running high-grades and thucker shields, making it a 5billion fit that's gonna struggle and slowboat it every site, praying next room is not a shitty full webber+neuters combo . Id dies to a strong neut-webbing triag room aswell. You tank 500hp/s sure..but without resists and being fully cap drained in 3 cycles , the damage received is quadrupled vs a dual battery dual hardener +SB fit, so you're stuck with gammas to get more shield buffer, downside is your killing speed is slow as fuck, so timer is going to be an issue everytime even in T4's. The dual cap dual hardener fit is the more idiot proof safer version, you can just ignore neuters completely if you like and focus webers ,dmg dealers first, but you're running pyth-A modules and mid-grades at least...again a 4+bil cost for 20mil a site in t4 or 40mil a site in T5.
dont gilas evasive tank? their sig radius is so small that if they move fast enough, passive tanking works. its just like 4 billion-6billion isk to make.
dude no offense.... but #1 tip for u - give it a lil break. Take a shave and a haircut and visit ur dentist asap. Then work on ur passive-aggressive behaviour. :)
Uhhh....I been running T4 abyssal sites in a passive tank Gila without issue. Ran dozens of them without a loss. Learn to pilot and you won't die. The only waves you have to worry about are the Marshals and the Tyrannus. But just keep at 70km range and let your drones do the work. Go for the Arrester Marshals first with your drones. You take on any neuts with missiles. The T4 sites are routine and easy in a passive tank Gila. Either this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, or he just doesn't know how to fly a ship.
Guessing your running gammas and or have nearly perfect skills or are using Implants to aid you it is possible to clear using passive however the risk is significantly higher especially to newer pilots. And you need to fly really well to make it work
You're complaining that this fit is sensitive to neuts? Active tank is far more sensitive to neuts. That one cap battery is not that strong against neuts.
No the point is, you don't have to run your shield booster all the time. Passiv regen is at peak at 30% shields with an active fit you don't have that problem. Active fits have far more cap/s so you regen much more quickly.
no. you're wrong... i have runned that fit (passive gila) for months by now only in t4 because t3 is for destroyers to do... (if you do t3 in a cruiser; well god help you!) and you taking too much faith in the neults the trigs can put on you... They where NEVER able to run my cap dry, and i always run strait for the "karen". Because you're not running an active rep module and because your shield pool is so high, you really don't need to care about neults as much... by the time the webs die the day is won. At that moment you'll be free to orbt "karen" at close so it will not hurt you at all, and you can finish the neults off... Its NOT hard, its NOT rocket science and is very FAR from impossible... to be honest your active tank has a lot more chance to get fucked in the ass by the very scenario you have created than the passive one.
actually yea there is a killer hybrid fit that works way better then pure passive for gammas i dont have it handy but yea in abyss active beats passive
I dont really see the point. Passive gila runs gamma up to T6 without serious problems, i could let my dog run a passive gila through a random typ of T3. The only room that eve broke me one was a T6 Karybdis room with 8 neut scyllas and 5 web scyllas. However this room breaks basicly everything. Active fit wouldnt even make it half the time passive gila survives in that room. your version of an active gila struggles at outrunning this immense amount of ewar as every other ship would. We can talk about how to use a passive gila and where, but in no world is a passive gila non viable. And pulling ppl asking for advice on it over their head for their descision like that makes you look more like a pretender imho.
thats not a death room i dont have the fit handy but thats also exactly the room i describe in the video and in gammas there is a passive/active hybrid gila that handles it just fine death rooms dont exist change my mind
@@HateLesSGaming sadly have no vid of the run. Obviosly im open to get my mind changed by an explicit fit that would run it. Doesnt change my point though that your Active fit in the video would break in this case in the same way a passive would, making the "passive gila sucks because it breaks in the hardest rooms, so i show you a fit that does too" thing kinda dumb I make my main incomr in a passive gila, and even if i gibe the point a passive gila breaks in the described room, it still easily runs T4 electricals and T4 gammas, so its in no way non viable
@Rafael Daulet I am against passive Gila generally there are situations where it works you can make it work yes but generally in abyss passive fits are doomed to fail
@@HateLesSGaming now u are talking. It cost u how many, 2-3 minutes, to state that?:) My commentary was abt the video's emotional aspect - I came to learn from u, not to look at how your arse blows up. I fly T4s in passive G btw. Cannot say it's good or bad. It works, strangely enough. U have ur point, passive G has its, we all take it and do our best not to get poppt:)))
Eight months later, a gila is 350mil alone...abysals have become a sort of lottery for idiots. People keep loosing xpensive fits, always barely making profit enough to buyback another fit.
I never met you but ive heard stories R.I.P brother, thank you for still teaching us new players 3 years later o7
Passive gila is for gamma, and its like 30-400 mill build. I did T3 so easily, never lost any. In T4 only lost because I'm not experienced and did stupid things. you have 130/sec regen. and gamma raise by 30-50% :)
If you do T4 i suggest you have full T2 modules and faction shield relay + faction shield extended+ two cheap implants like 100 mil each. You will earn that 200 mil back very fast in T4.
With that i wrote you like around 200/s reg i think. I think T4 is for OMEGA cause the skills for T2.
I used to fit Gila passive to T5, it was a perfect abyss farmer until Drifter BS 2 shot you and I lost nearly 5b fit. Luckily it was in Sisi so I lose nothing but I still not touch Abyss yet because of it.
Also, I would highly recommend using passive hardeners (with maxed compensations) for a passive tank, however, that takes quite a bit of room. Its by no means impossible, the fit price is about the same, the tank is far less (better buffer though for tight spots), reasonable sig radius. But again, it wont be able to sustain even T3 dps for a long period of time.
[Gila, Passive Gila]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Damage Control II
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Pithum A-Type EM Shield Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Thermal Shield Amplifier
Pithum A-Type Kinetic Shield Amplifier
Thukker Large Shield Extender
Thukker Large Shield Extender
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
1. The difference in signature is negligible.
2. Active fits are way more expensive than passive fits, at least in the high-end-area. Blinging shield boosters gets you into the billions quickly, you don't have that with extenders. As for hardeners: Both use them.
3. The capacitor warfare resistance bonus is nice, but if they shut you down, you're done. No resists, no buffer, no active, and negligible passive regen. With the passive fit, you still have time because regen and buffer are still there. You have a greater margin of error and can survive periods of thirst longer. You can't control strong neut pressure by pulsing your reps and bleeding into a buffer that is negligible.
4. Overheating hardeners can be done on the passive fit as well, with less danger of burning something out as it's less modules to manage.
5. Dislike for calling people idiots who are not idiots and being an arrogant prick about it. The passive Gila is well established for Gamma. There are people doing T6 with it. Good for you if you have an active fit that works. But passive tanking a Gila works too. It's also more friendly for beginners, not only because it's cheaper for the higher tiers, but also because it's fewer Modules to manage.
I couldn't see passive working for a t6 and I am nervous to risk a hg pod and a gila to give it a shot. Yes my active fit costs a lot of isk but I have earned many many bil over what it cost me. Wanna say 5 or 6b with pod for active gila exotics. Mostly from the type a hardeners and repper. 800m rolled cap battery. Full hg crystal + other implants. I never get capped out, not even close. Two of my rigs are the memory capacitor things. The only slightly challenging rooms are edencom battleship spawns and if the sparkgrips get close enough to blast me. Doable, just takes more effort.
@@benjaminhunt7947 Only need mid grade Nirvanas according to this guy. Doesn't make any sense to change a running system for you ofc. th-cam.com/video/YIo0AmQS0EM/w-d-xo.html
I have done 100 T6 abyssals in an active fit. The only time neut pressure becomes a challenge is if you get the room with 8 cruisers. If you focus them down right away it shouldn't be a problem, might need to pulse your rep a bit. Other than those neuts there are no disadvantages. I ran in a passive first and while I never died, when you get hit with a lot of DPS you have to wait in the room for a minute or two to recharge. The difference in sig radius is also something like 30%.
Tldr: Active is a bit more challenging but faster.
i have 32 mil sp so im in no means a vet but this video makes sense to me why are you getting upset about him saying that this fit is bad. 1. sig radius of -50% or more doesnt seem ngligible 2. the gila costs 300 mil? are you proud that you can fit it with 20 mil in modules? 3. you passive tank at peak regen which is 30% of your buffer which is the same as an active fit even new shield tankers know this. 4. but you wont get more shield regen with overheat so less tank anyways. 5. at least he is helping with "VERY!!! good advice" so calling him arrogant while hes spending effort doing this video is the same to me on your part. dont be a beginner flying a gila and start with a vexor or with contend that the gila is able to overtank.
a friend of mine runs T6 gamma in a passive gila, end even gets to do some of the "killer rooms"@@benjaminhunt7947
Yeah, at one point I was experimenting with a passive shield tengu for mission running and the thing had the ehp of a battleship, the passive regen of an active fit, was fast, but the sig radius was through the roof, and it just soaked damage like crazy. People would never think how important is sig radius. Since that I use a sig tanked fit, barely any ehp, no reps, yet it is a lot more efficient in staying alive... Well, as long as it is not webbed...
What I dont like about the tengu for that reason alone is if you want some damn good dps you gotta run HAMs and the javelins just dont have the damage to quickly neutralize stasis structures/frigates before you take heavy damage yourself. Loki is kinda better in that regard because you can active or jury rig a passive on it and use artillery if need be to just blap it quickly and then get out of range while making sure speed and sig is low enough.
that explains why i lost two very expensive gilas
That explains it! thank you!
Was running loads and loads of Tier 3s in Passive tank Gila and as a newbie was v proud of my fit - my 45k ehhp shields, my 110hp/s pass repair & my 550dps offensive. Then that one L3 Elec in 10-20 where the big ones (and and over mind I think) all arrive at once & i'm matchsticks. I was wondering how anybody like me could ever ever do 4-5s. Was looking at the teeny tiny %s on everything (modules, training, boosters) and getting disheartened, that it was maybe my flying that was s**t.
Now i realise I was probably doing a good job of flying (to survive what I did) and good job of squeezing my fitting, I was just fitting the wrong way. so thank you for explaining!! I totally think I'm ready to shift to active fits :D
How are things going now? Did you prefer the active tank instead?
Another point is when you hit a point of no return with passive fits, when you get below 10% shield and it cannot outtank dps, slow death.
yesss this happens to and its bad. 25% is when your techinically broken
Or just see a Drifter BS and ypu exploded
"Who told you this was a good idea?! Yeah I'm gonna need to talk to them. After I'm done slapping their lips, I'm gonna need you to come back over here so I can sting your chin. Get this shit outta my dojo, your kung fu is weak and you need to learn from your mistakes."
Well Thank you for humbling me on this Hard lesson. I don't mind been the idiot that asked if this will do t4 as your explanation saved myself and lots of others 345 mil isk.
Which by the way is all i had. You also explained why its bad and many people don't do that. I put everything in to build that fit LMAO. it's hard to destroy 60 mil worth of rig Slots but worth it in the end. Thank you for helping me and keep up the good work HateLeeS
no thank you for asking the only bad question is the one never asked
Thanks for asking the question that prompted such a cool tutorial!
Yeah it's good he helped and explained the mistake...I just disliked the nooooo reaction it was pretty condescending tbh, this is a problem for me with many Eve players, it's like 'why don't you know as much as me you idiot' I'm a teacher irl if I talked to a student like that I'd be in trouble, relax remember basic manners, just some free advice, othwise good video
@@im_sorry_dave5117 I think it was a good humoured noo
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Passive Gila is the go to now for T4. I run so many and can just sit on the gate and tank any waves damage. Webs and neuts have 0 effect on the ship and it works 100% still with 0 cap left.
В любом случаи НЕ дорогие фиты для 1-4 лвл бездн изза новых респов Эдэмкома и Конкорда!!! И спасибо HateLesS_Gaming за то что обяснил людям о "пасивной гиле" аплодирую стоя ;-)
thanks mate =)
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In any case, NOT expensive fits for 1-4 lvl of the abyss due to the new respawns of Edemcom and Concord !!! And thanks to HateLesS_Gaming for explaining to people about the "passive gil" I give a standing ovation ;-)
I use this fit with one extra extender and a passive thermal resistance amp to replace the invulns. blinged everything minus the guns and link augmenter with +3% shield capacity and regen implants. I did 3 different Karen rooms this week with webs and nuets in t4 today just fine. gotta heat ab on the way in before you get hard neuted to get within ~20k of Karen.
Exactly the same fit for me and same results.. I have had no problem with T4s in this fitting.. though the arguments he makes are good, and I would definitely go Active for T5..
To be fair I did some T4 and T5 abyss in a passive Gila back in 2018 but I actually preferred to rig them for max hp rather than recharge and go full damage in the lows... with genolution implants and 5% hardwirings you have 50k raw shield hp in a gamma abyss using 4 RPF LSE's alongside a mwd and a deadspace invul. (genolution is required for powergrid if mwd is used and I usually prefer ab anyway). With the nirvana implant set (which may or may not have been in the game back then, I certainly didnt have any) you can get 74k raw shield hp with t2 rigs and 4 RPF LSE's and end up with 171k-186k ehp depending on if you heat your invul or not. The reason I only had 1 invul was because it was much more resilient to heat damage than a dual invul fit (which easily top 200k+ ehp heated with nirvana set), the thing to remember is that you don't need to be att full hp at the end and you only do a minute or 2 of hard tanking in each room, that said I always disliked the recharge rigged gilas because once you go past the sweetspot of shieldregen you go down fast... the hp rigged ones take much longer to go that low and have wider "powerband" for the recharge if that makes sense. and in gamma sites with nirvana set a hp rigged gila is still looking at 500ehp shield recharge/second at its peak while dishing out 650ish dps of the correct damagetype. I did lose my Gila later that year but that was after I refitted to active tank and got overconfident running the wrong type.
weird - my passive gila has 160 shield per sec, 575 dps and 44k ehp - works fine tho
i run t6 gammas with a passive fit gila (almost 200k ehp), massive regen
Interesting. Found your site from your raid on Oz's trading stream. Have been tempted to get into Abyssals and this was very informative - will watch again :)
Mmmm? all 4 abyss (except dark) and 5 gamma - I run on passive Gila without any problems. With imps, of cause. Actually I buy 4 abyss firestorms and run them. And I don't use invules, only amplifers on term(usually, besause of triglavs spawns) and EM if I go to electric. 4 marshals - no problems :) Angels - just drop tractor where they web me. So passive Gila is possible.
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I used this fit from aceface for t4 gammas and did over 100 runs with it and never lost it.
He's right i have not played abyss in a long time but i ran an extremely bling (4bil not including the abyssal mods)gila through hundreds and finally died to neuts shutting off my hardeners
"LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOO OH GOD!"
You're a very helpful man, HateLesS. Que les dieux te bénisse mon vieux!
I been running passive gila in T4s
no problem.
but can confirm the active resists would kill this fit for sure.
To be honest though, yeah I used a passive in a T3 was like couple of hits from death when I cleared last room.
with a skilled pilot it can be done but it can and will eventually kill you
@@HateLesSGaming Yep almost lost it and I hate losing couple hundred million on ships. I have high Caldari skills meaning shields is very high and ran into that battleship or carrier whatever it was. It happened just as you said I lost afterburner and shield resist. They had me at no resist, passive is not really passive in some scenarios. Also that was just T3.
Passive gilas can be insanely stable, but these fits wont be cheap. I ran t6 exotics / gammas and even firestorms with them, totally fine. But they're mostly for gammas ofcourse.
You can perfectly fly T5 gammas in a complete passive gila, no hardeners etc.
except when you run into certain rooms passive gilas since making this video have to worry about concord rooms to
@@HateLesSGaming no problem with passive gila in any room up to gamma T6. Only room that broke me a ship was a room with Karybdis Tyrannos and staight 9 neut scyllas and 4 web scyllas, and i doubt you would make this in any other fit, so its not a passive thing, its a death-room thing.
@@HateLesSGamingNo, you dont have to worry about anything
@@KaliumKraehethere are no death rooms.
I have a passive Gila that does every type of room in T4 comfortably... 329 hps, just do a complete 180 and kite until neuts die
what about marshel rooms
@@HateLesSGaming It got scary but they didn't break the shield.
Definitely exceptionally late to the party but this fit that I'm seeing on your screen is definitely not what it should be also mine has easily almost triple of the passive Shield regeneration and it survives oddly enough in t5s. You don't need Nirvanas really for t4s whatsoever but once you start Crossing into t5s it starts becoming mandatory mid grades if possible.
while i agree that passive gilas have their limits running filaments, passive tanks are the absolute best for 1v1s where you can become literally unkillable in a 1v1.
When ever I try one of these active gila setups it works fine, until I run into one of those 5+ neuter spawns that streamers for some reason don't seem to get, but I get every 10 spawns. It just zaps my cap instantly and then I die before it can tick back enough to even turn my resists back on.
But I agree that the linked "passive" gila is shit cause it is not passive at all. I have a passive one that runs just as well with no cap left and it tanks 600-1000 dps depending on resist.
The trick is to target them first and then only run you repper as needed the cap on a proper active fit can handle alot more nuet pressure then you think you just have to pulse the reps
for tier 3 is good passive gila, only change one multispectrum for shield extender, for tier 4+ need active shield.
I wouldn't advise it unless your omega with max skills
@@HateLesSGaming iam not, but already done 200+ t3 gamma with my passive gila, its easy and can be done semi-afk, but in t4 gamma its not working too well, i tried t4 gamma and everything was fine in first 4 runs, on 5 i lose gila ^_^. Now iam going to fit active gila for t4 electrical, i hope i will be safe. See you in space.
@@Xianenberg yea gamma is the exception to the rule for sure there has been and still is an issue where groups much larger then myself say a passive Gila works for all abyss amd that's simply not true every rule and guidance does have exceptions
@@HateLesSGaming for all abyss? hell no, only gamma.
Me sitting here with a passive gila that does 271hp/s regen (tho i have no clue what it does with an extender swapped for an afterburner or warpthing as im not at my computer)
Why is he saying no so much...
Shows fitting and it does 95hp/s regen...
Ahh thats why because its fitted with garbage
Mine is fitted with a mixture of thukker and republic mutaplasmid shield extenders
74% cap stable with afterburner off obviously so ive never had an issue having my cap sucked away and needing to turn stuff off but i exclusively do T3 gamma i think it is and always just walk right on through
So you run a blinged out Gila in T3's gammas...
Ok...
Красиво и понятно! Noooooooooooo, oh God! :D
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! lol Hilarious.
Sorry for asking new to the game. For which abyss is the fit u are propossing?
Thats a cheap passive tank fit if you actually put some isk into it and buy some good implants you can get it to have 300+ hp/sec regen and the karen ship is really easy to beat
So lets say I have a Passive Tanked Gila from running Escalations and other PvE content and I refit everything except the Field Purgers to the fit from your T3 Guide Active Gila and have max shield skills and a better AB, will that perform just as well or are the rigs essential?
If only he had passive tanked his motorcycle.
Bruh
I fly a passive gila sometimes but I have those crazy expensive new implants and max HP abyssal LSEs. So can tank more than any active gila. But it's not cheap.
well when it dies come back and tell me how it will prolly do t3 fine or gammas up to t4 but i wouldnt push it harder then that
I've had success running T3 Gammas and Exotics on my passive Gila. I have an active Gila I use for Electricals and the occasional Firestorm. Definitely not going to use passive Gila for anything T4, but its fine for certain T3s IMO. IT's like, passive fits are lazy fits and you need to stop being lazy about halfway through T3s. 😅
I see this video it seems old. I am running the T5s to the tune of 4 billion positive.
Good video! I notice you have a stable tank on your Gila. Is there something I'm missing? My replication of that fit gives me a cap of 3.19.. Only stable with MSB off
no he dont, look closely
Do not fly passive Gila so people can gank You. My passive Gila with nirvana set has 150k oh ehp, 187hp/s recharge and can face tank every single room up to t6. Karen or whatever, nothing beats it.
Would you mind sharing your fit? Haven't found a single one able to do t6s
@@Cyb3rSiggi Invul, 3x LSE + shield expanders. In gamma its not about tank but how fasy you kill stuff so you need to use DDAs in low slots. Pro tip: use aug hammers for ephiliates spawn.
i ran passive gila thru 1000 T3s and 300-400 T4s just fine.
Hm… you do your abysses in JITA ?? How.. ? And why ?
crazy how most of the gila builds are passive now
Um yea the most popular fit is this one and it's a bad fit for the reasons described with good skills it works but not really for alphas
I still link this reaction every time someone mentions a passive Gila. RIP HateLesS.
Repeated relinking of fake news like this does not make them any better, you know?
Go ask dozens of T5/6 passive Gila players who (according to this story here) should NEVER have made it past T3...
if your hardners are active, your tank aint passive, just sayin...
That is true. Would an afterburner also negate passive tank status? It is a big part of the tank after all.
This was really helpful
So, is that a "no"?
yes
And why use a DLA instead of a NOS?
The DLA makes no Sense in Abyss and with NOS you can also regain some Cap if its really needed and you missed to kill the Neuts before
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this fit isn't cap stable in 2021 or i have lack of skills ?
it is made for electricals so as long as the fitting window show better then -100% cap its stable while in the abyss
@@HateLesSGaming thanks for the answer .
is punisher still good for starting t1 abyss ?
yup
Was that even a passive Gila? arent those Orange Shields not the Shield hardeners? they are not Passive tho. yea in this specc you Die 100%. but not with 4 Shield extenders and 1 Thermal Shield amplifier. im fully passive and i can basicly stand still and faceTank all the shit. ^^ there 1 group you need to manage. Yea its a very slow Fit, but it does the job 200%
Passive Gilas are for Gamma Filaments.
I run a very similar one in T4s comfortably, and when it comes to webs and neuts, ignore the webs, don't be an idiot.
I can easily run a t5 in a passive gila reliably.. I can see how your concerns for that particular fit have some merit in regards to the double omni resist mods and afterburner, but the falsehoods in regard to the passive gila overall shows a bit of ignorance on your part.
I get this comment alot and this video comes from experiance there are exceptions to this and proper passive fits that work but in every scenario a active or hybrid fit does better then a passive one
Lost two 900mil gilas (w 3 implants) ...with the passive 4x LS 1 hardener 2shield relays in lows ..to the same combo twice in a row. That is 4-6dissipators , 4-6 entanglers + Karen. The only way a passive fit will survive this combo is if you're running high-grades and thucker shields, making it a 5billion fit that's gonna struggle and slowboat it every site, praying next room is not a shitty full webber+neuters combo . Id dies to a strong neut-webbing triag room aswell. You tank 500hp/s sure..but without resists and being fully cap drained in 3 cycles , the damage received is quadrupled vs a dual battery dual hardener +SB fit, so you're stuck with gammas to get more shield buffer, downside is your killing speed is slow as fuck, so timer is going to be an issue everytime even in T4's.
The dual cap dual hardener fit is the more idiot proof safer version, you can just ignore neuters completely if you like and focus webers ,dmg dealers first, but you're running pyth-A modules and mid-grades at least...again a 4+bil cost for 20mil a site in t4 or 40mil a site in T5.
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dont gilas evasive tank? their sig radius is so small that if they move fast enough, passive tanking works. its just like 4 billion-6billion isk to make.
there sig is a large part of the survival
Passive imo is the best fit for abyss. I can run t5s with them.
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i clean afk mod all T6 gamma full passive gila :/
2 B ship/fit.
500M/H
Sure...
dude no offense.... but #1 tip for u - give it a lil break. Take a shave and a haircut and visit ur dentist asap. Then work on ur passive-aggressive behaviour. :)
Uhhh....I been running T4 abyssal sites in a passive tank Gila without issue. Ran dozens of them without a loss. Learn to pilot and you won't die. The only waves you have to worry about are the Marshals and the Tyrannus. But just keep at 70km range and let your drones do the work. Go for the Arrester Marshals first with your drones. You take on any neuts with missiles. The T4 sites are routine and easy in a passive tank Gila. Either this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, or he just doesn't know how to fly a ship.
Guessing your running gammas and or have nearly perfect skills or are using Implants to aid you it is possible to clear using passive however the risk is significantly higher especially to newer pilots. And you need to fly really well to make it work
@@HateLesSGaming Fair point on the skills. I'm level 4 or higher across the board. No implants though. Just keeping range.
yeah. t4 is easy as hell with a passive. mid grade nirvanas and perfect skills here
You're complaining that this fit is sensitive to neuts? Active tank is far more sensitive to neuts. That one cap battery is not that strong against neuts.
No the point is, you don't have to run your shield booster all the time.
Passiv regen is at peak at 30% shields with an active fit you don't have that problem.
Active fits have far more cap/s so you regen much more quickly.
no. you're wrong... i have runned that fit (passive gila) for months by now only in t4 because t3 is for destroyers to do... (if you do t3 in a cruiser; well god help you!) and you taking too much faith in the neults the trigs can put on you...
They where NEVER able to run my cap dry, and i always run strait for the "karen".
Because you're not running an active rep module and because your shield pool is so high, you really don't need to care about neults as much... by the time the webs die the day is won.
At that moment you'll be free to orbt "karen" at close so it will not hurt you at all, and you can finish the neults off...
Its NOT hard, its NOT rocket science and is very FAR from impossible... to be honest your active tank has a lot more chance to get fucked in the ass by the very scenario you have created than the passive one.
Some people don't have perfect skills I would call you lucky for not getting killed running passive fits
@@HateLesSGaming Lucky for months non end?
I find hard to believe that luck would last so long.
@@Jesther01 or your doing gammas
@@HateLesSGaming firestorms and darks... the ship is fine in either.
@@Jesther01 gilas don't normally do well in darks your trolling or using hydras or I am missing something or you have some mad lad fit
different types of abyss exist dude... ur not gonna use active in gamma are u.
actually yea there is a killer hybrid fit that works way better then pure passive for gammas i dont have it handy but yea in abyss active beats passive
Rip
I dont really see the point. Passive gila runs gamma up to T6 without serious problems, i could let my dog run a passive gila through a random typ of T3. The only room that eve broke me one was a T6 Karybdis room with 8 neut scyllas and 5 web scyllas. However this room breaks basicly everything. Active fit wouldnt even make it half the time passive gila survives in that room. your version of an active gila struggles at outrunning this immense amount of ewar as every other ship would. We can talk about how to use a passive gila and where, but in no world is a passive gila non viable. And pulling ppl asking for advice on it over their head for their descision like that makes you look more like a pretender imho.
thats not a death room i dont have the fit handy but thats also exactly the room i describe in the video and in gammas there is a passive/active hybrid gila that handles it just fine death rooms dont exist change my mind
@@HateLesSGaming sadly have no vid of the run. Obviosly im open to get my mind changed by an explicit fit that would run it. Doesnt change my point though that your Active fit in the video would break in this case in the same way a passive would, making the "passive gila sucks because it breaks in the hardest rooms, so i show you a fit that does too" thing kinda dumb
I make my main incomr in a passive gila, and even if i gibe the point a passive gila breaks in the described room, it still easily runs T4 electricals and T4 gammas, so its in no way non viable
So much emotion, so little meaning, man. Go see a therapist
Lol
@@HateLesSGaming comment on this one, plz, bc u go down on passive g so much that I lost track of the point:
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@Rafael Daulet I am against passive Gila generally there are situations where it works you can make it work yes but generally in abyss passive fits are doomed to fail
@@HateLesSGaming now u are talking. It cost u how many, 2-3 minutes, to state that?:) My commentary was abt the video's emotional aspect - I came to learn from u, not to look at how your arse blows up. I fly T4s in passive G btw. Cannot say it's good or bad. It works, strangely enough. U have ur point, passive G has its, we all take it and do our best not to get poppt:)))
Eight months later, a gila is 350mil alone...abysals have become a sort of lottery for idiots. People keep loosing xpensive fits, always barely making profit enough to buyback another fit.
I currently run a similar build in t2’s without any issue. Knowing what your ship so can do is key. Great job misleading
Yea come back when you run higher tiers there are some exceptions to this mostly being gamma builds but passive does not work above t3
@@HateLesSGaming right on buddy, your the man. Two thumbs up for you!
@@gordonbradford1013 I have no idea what to make of you man
@@HateLesSGaming TWO thumbs up! Your my hero!
I do T5 gamma in passive Gila. Stop crying and learn to fly. Try test server.
This was made before the nirvana implants came out and still the active fits are way better for the above reasons
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