PCSX2: Improvements in Over 120 Games - RPCS3: Performance Boost on Low End CPUs

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  • @AlexwpiGame
    @AlexwpiGame  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Thanks to channel patreons / youtube members:
    • Paolo • Cecilia • Kesnei • MunzMadeThis • Conlon Carmody
    .hack infection/fragment - Special texture (fixes Depth of field alignment)
    Ace Combat 04 - Aggressive
    Area 51 - Aggressive
    B-Boy - Align native
    Band Hero - Align to native
    Barbie Horse Adventures - Riding Camp - Normal + Align to Native
    Bee Movie - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Bionacle Heroes - Aggressive
    Black - Aggressive + special texture (align native is more correct but the low resolution lights look more obvious)
    Brave - The Spirit Dancer - Normal + Align to Native
    Burnout 2 onward - aggressive
    Cat woman - Aggressive + special texture (Fixes post processing alignment) - keep AF and Tex in RT
    Chronicles of Narnia - Prince Caspian - Normal + Special Texture
    Colosseum - Road to Victory - Normal + Align Native - remove round sprite + CLUT Render
    Corvette - Aggressive + align native (fixes reflections and post positioning)
    Crimson Tears - Aggressive + Normal vertex (fixes post position) - remove round sprite + force even
    DBZ - BT - Aggressive + align native, remove CPU CLUT
    DBZ - BT2 - Aggressive + align native
    DBZ - BT3 - Aggressive + align native, remove CPU CLUT
    Def Jam - Normal + align native
    Destroy All Humans! - Aggressive + Special Texture
    Destroy All Humans! 2 - Aggressive + Special Texture
    Devil May Cry 3 - Aggressive + Align to native, remove round sprite
    Drakengard 2 - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Driv3r - Special Texture - remove round sprite
    Ed, Edd and Eddy - Aggressive + align native - fixes post processing
    Fahrenheit - Aggressive + Align Native (Fixes lighting smoothness and positioning)
    Fast and the Furious - Normal + Autoflush
    Ford Racing 2 - Aggressive + Align Native (nice soft cloud shadow)
    Ghost in the Shell - Normal + Align Native + AF 1 + Estimate Region - Remove Merge sprite
    Gladitator - Road to Freedom - Normal + Align Native - remove round sprite + CLUT Render
    Gladitator - Sword of Vengeance - Normal + Align Native - remove round sprite
    Guitar Hero 3 onward - Normal + Align to native
    Headhunter - Aggressive + Align native
    Incredible Hulk, The - Ultimate Destruction - Normal + Align to Native
    Incredibles - Aggressive + Align Native (fixes post effects and position)
    Indiana Jones Emperors Tomb + Staff of Kings = aggressive + align native
    Iron Man - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Jojo no Kimyou na Bouken - Phantom Blood - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Just Cause - Aggressive + (Special Texture)
    Killzone - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Kingdom Hearts II + Final Mix - Aggressive + Special Texture (ATN causes some glitches)
    LEGO Batman - Normal + Align to Native - Remove CPU CLUT Render
    LEGO Indiana Jones - Normal + Align to Native
    LEGO Star Wars II - Normal + Align Native - Remove CPU CLUT Render
    Lemony Snicket's Series of Unfortunate Events - aggressive + align native
    Lord of the Rings - The Third Age - Aggressive + Align Native (post effect)
    Madagascar - Aggressive - Removed round sprite
    Malice - Normal + Align to Native
    Matrix, The - Path of Neo - Aggressive
    Mercenaries - Normal
    Metal Gear Solid 3 - aggressive + align to native
    Midnight club 3 - aggressive + align native
    Monster House - aggressive + align native
    Mortal Kombat - Deadly Alliance - Aggressive + align native (soft shadows) - keep round sprite
    Narc - Aggressive + Align Native (fixes post positioning)
    Naruto - All games - Aggressive + Special Texture (fixes post blending and alignment)
    Okami - Aggressive + align native - Remove round sprite full
    Onimusha - Dawn of Dreams - Aggressive + align native
    Onimusha 2 - align native + round sprite full for text
    Onimusha 3 - Aggressive + align native
    Parappa the Rapper 2 - aggressive + align to native
    Power Rangers - Super Legends - Aggressive + align native (fixes post process alignment)
    Prince of Persia - Sands of Time - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Prince of Persia - Two Thrones - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Prince of Persia - Warrior Within - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Project Snowblind - aggressive + Align Native
    Ratatouille - aggressive + align native - remove even sprite (fixes post processing position)
    Ratchet + Clank (all games) - Normal + align native
    Resident Evil - Dead Aim / Gun Survivor 4 - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Ridge Racer V - replace CLUT renderer with CSBW 1/1
    Robots - Aggressive + Align to Native
    RPM Tuning - Aggressive + Special Texture
    Ruff Trigger - The Vanocore Conspiracy - Normal native scaling
    Scarface - The World is Ours - Normal
    Sega Rally 2006 - Aggressive + Align native (soft shadows)
    Sega Superstar Tennis - Normal + Align native
    Shadow of the Colossus - Aggressive
    Shadow of Rome - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Shadow the Hedgehog - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Shadow Hearts - Covenant - No Native Scaling, just replacing hacks with Align to Native.
    Shox - Aggressive (fixes window reflection) + Align Native (UI positioning)
    Sniper Elite - Aggressive
    Splinter Cell - aggressive + align native (fixes post processing) + recommend full blending to full to fix lighting effects (high barriers)
    Spongebob - the movie - Aggressive + align native to fix post - Remove CLUT renderer
    Springdale - Aggressive + Align Native (Fixes post alignment)
    Spyro - The Eternal Night - Normal + Normal Vertex (fixes lighting post, aggressive makes shadows low res, ATN causes obvious edge garbage)
    Spyro Dawn of the Dragon - remove CLUT and CSBW, add NS aggressive + align native
    Star Ocean 3 - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Star Wars Battlefront - Aggressive + Align Native
    Star Wars Battlefront 2 - Aggressive + Align Native
    Syphon Filter Dark Mirror - aggressive
    Syphon Filter: Logan's Shadow - Aggressive
    Tales of the Abyss - Normal + Align to Native
    Tekken 5 - Normal
    The Chikyuu Boueigun/Monster Attack - Align to Native
    The Chikyuu Boueigun 2/Global Defence Force/Terra Defence Force - Normal + Align to Naitive
    The Suffering - aggressive + align native (does get a small bit of top edge bleed in some cases)
    Thrillville - Aggressive
    Thrillville - Off the Rails - Aggressive + Align to Native
    TOCA Race Driver 3 - Normal + Special + RS half - remove align sprite (V8 Supercars and DTM Race)
    Tomb raider legend + underworld = normal
    Tony Hawk games after 4 - Normal + Align native - remove merge sprites and force even
    Total Overdose - Normal + Align Native
    Toy Story 3 - aggressive + align native - remove even sprite (fixes post processing position)
    Transformers - Revenge of the Fallen - Aggressive + Align to Native
    Transformers - The Game - Normal + Special Texture
    True Crime NYC - Aggressive
    True Crime - Streets of LA - Align to Native
    Valkyrie Profile 2 - aggressive (also change to align native)
    Wakeboarding Unleashed - Aggressive (water reflections)
    WALL-E - aggressive + align native - remove even sprite (fixes post processing position) - remove round sprite + CSBW
    Wallace and Gromit - Curse of the were-rabbit - Normal + Align native
    Wallace and Gromit - Project Zoo - special texture - native scaling is more right but low res makes it gross.
    WRC 1, 2, 4 - Aggressive + special texture
    Xenosaga Episode III - aggressive + change to align to native remove round sprite full - autoflush sprite only
    Xenosage Episode I - change to align to native remove round sprite full - autoflush sprite only
    Yakuza - Aggressive - maybe note ATN corrects the alignment but currently causes visual problems
    Yakuza 2 - Aggressive - maybe note ATN and no align sprite corrects the alignment but currently causes visual problems
    Yumeria - aggressive + special texture (fix post alignment and text alignment)
    Zone of Enders 2nd runner - aggressive + normal vertex fix DoF

    • @DJBV
      @DJBV 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      are those applied automatically? or do we have to apply them ourselves?

  • @Parth1713
    @Parth1713 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

    I remember RPCS3 being in its very early alpha stage many years ago, back when something like Persona 5 would run at around 10-15 fps. Man, these guys have come far.

    • @MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV
      @MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      now is 23fps?

    • @ShamanKing-dn8mc
      @ShamanKing-dn8mc 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV
      Currently, it runs at 32 FPS on an old, weak 4-core CPU. If you have a modern CPU, you can achieve a constant 60 FPS without any problems. Rewatch the video, but this time, listen to what is being said before commenting without knowing the facts.

    • @Gamerbox89
      @Gamerbox89 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV i run the games over 30fps and smooth

    • @KingKrouch
      @KingKrouch 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I remember when the only game that could actually boot was Sonic CD, and then less than a year or so later, I could run Project DIVA F with decent performance. Persona 5 was definitely an outlier at the time as it could barely lock to 60 even on a $400 midrange CPU at the time.

    • @MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV
      @MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Gamerbox89 if game from console is under 30 look like shit if game was designed to play 60 fps

  • @Nigel222
    @Nigel222 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Its great that emulation is always improving. Makes it more accessible for younger people to go back and play older games.

  • @zohairhussain8005
    @zohairhussain8005 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    The pcsx2 fix is hugeeee!

  • @Emulator_Crossing
    @Emulator_Crossing 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

    This emulator is a huge miracle...amazing they could emulate that very complex "cell".

    • @zergslayer69
      @zergslayer69 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      i remember people back then saying "ps3 emulation would never happen"

    • @maskednil
      @maskednil 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@zergslayer69lol those were the days 😂 😂 😂

    • @mediatourist
      @mediatourist 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      PC could emulate everything. But many corporation has copyrights on some codes and contents especially SONY. Maybe many people remember judge process on pcsxr devs or epsxe or blini or something. Or CAPCOM or Nintendo also watch for emulator devs. They always watch, stupid and greedy corpocrats.

    • @MarkoGV1
      @MarkoGV1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mediatourist Copyright issue is not what makes creating emulators hard. PlayStation 3 emulation is very, very, complex because of its hardware. It has nothing to do with greedy corporations.

    • @mediatourist
      @mediatourist 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@MarkoGV1 yes it has. Hardware of any device is just digital hardware. Devs are genius and could hacking even hard defence on many game products. Also hatdware emulation of cell is just another hardware logic. Devs are not stupid and they afraid to cross intellectual private of greedy corporation. Cell also private intellectual product of Sony also his logic. Try to make similiar code with cell cpu and Sony will go to judgment.

  • @mikeclark4480
    @mikeclark4480 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Awesome! Thank you

  • @rface0
    @rface0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The crashes in the Ratchet games can be completely removed with canary patches. Would love to see RPCS3 finally fix the issue once and for all, but until then the patch does the trick.

  • @MetalMightGames
    @MetalMightGames 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I'm still hoping for the day that the PS3 emulator will allow me to play the Ratchet and Clank games without crashing! My specs: Cpu - Ryzen 5 3600, Gpu - Nvidia 3060 12GB, System ram - 16GB

    • @Cautious_Gamer
      @Cautious_Gamer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You should be able to. Your rig sounds more than capable.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Cautious_Gamer not really, 3600 is weak. You need something as powerful as 12600k to achieve 50-60fps in those games.

    • @DragonOfTheMortalKombat
      @DragonOfTheMortalKombat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      If you can, upgrade to a better CPU like a 5000 series ryzen 7. No need for motherboard replacement either. Something like 5800x or 5800XT are preferable, since they're both 8 core parts. Don't go for the X3D parts since they don't benefit ps3 emus and have lower clockspeeds.

    • @MetalMightGames
      @MetalMightGames 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DragonOfTheMortalKombat thanks for the info! I'll look into those cpu's!

  • @kaczan3
    @kaczan3 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    This Lara is so much better than the one "for modern audiences"

  • @faheemmustakeem3143
    @faheemmustakeem3143 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Thank you

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    🙂 eh guys, is there such a thing as a recommended cpu tier list for playstation emulation? from best to worse? intel list? amd list? thank you

    • @crimson-foxtwitch2581
      @crimson-foxtwitch2581 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      rpcs3 has an official document on this exact subject

    • @MrSamadolfo
      @MrSamadolfo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@crimson-foxtwitch2581 😎 ccool, ill check it out thank you

  • @tomoprime217
    @tomoprime217 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    but which one of these now performs best on a 7840u? I hope for a lower required tdp

  • @Cautious_Gamer
    @Cautious_Gamer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How do we access the Advanced Menu in PCSX2? Thanks in advance.

    • @MaikGutierrez
      @MaikGutierrez 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Tools->Show Advanced Settings.

  • @mediatourist
    @mediatourist 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Any progress with achievments integration in rpcs3? PCSX2 is really good with retroachevments.

  • @liveforhonor3060
    @liveforhonor3060 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks. But how about twisted metal performance with rpcs3

  • @JamesSmith-sw3nk
    @JamesSmith-sw3nk 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I wish PS3 games weren't so large. The same game on PS3 can be 6x's larger than that game on Xbox 360.

    • @MrSamadolfo
      @MrSamadolfo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      🙂 interesting, i didnt know that

    • @universegaming1353
      @universegaming1353 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      To be fair, the PS3 was using Blu-ray Disc for storage(goes up to 50 GB) while the Xbox 360 was stuck with DVD.

    • @Macho_Man_Randy_Savage
      @Macho_Man_Randy_Savage 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      well yeah ps3 used blurays which allowed for way more data, depending on game. i don't think multiplat games were any different really, exclusives absolutely.

    • @firzokkhan6443
      @firzokkhan6443 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Macho_Man_Randy_Savage in fact there are some multiplatform games that have a smaller size on PS3 than Xbox 360, the exclusives is another story.

    • @KingLich451
      @KingLich451 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I think it's due to the multiple languages. Can cause bloat
      and those should be deletable if youre not going to play on that language.

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    and a recommended GPU tier list as well? thanks

  • @CatsandHotdogs
    @CatsandHotdogs 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Has any youtuber made a new emulation test with low end CPUs like intel N100 or N97 ?

  • @Victor-fl9yh
    @Victor-fl9yh 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did they fix input delay on budokai tenkaichi 3/4?

  • @eded9157
    @eded9157 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you explain the new setting for Demon souls? I try that game some months ago and It run like sht in my 4-cores CPU.

  • @SWOgottaGO
    @SWOgottaGO 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the version of these improvements?

  • @DarkSquall3000
    @DarkSquall3000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Only one question for me: Metal Gear Solid 4 comparisons.

  • @stevensv4864
    @stevensv4864 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hey bro wheres the advance option in pcsx2 i dindt see

    • @mayanksingh12
      @mayanksingh12 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Go to tools and enable advanced options first , then it will appear in settings

  • @eddi3401
    @eddi3401 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a reason why my rcps3 does not update even though there’s an update?

    • @AlexwpiGame
      @AlexwpiGame  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That bug has happened to me before. Try downloading RPCS3 directly from the official site and install it over your old version. This won't cause you to lose your saves or other configurations, and it resolved the issue for me.

  • @gtx1650max-q
    @gtx1650max-q 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    does gow 3 runs good now on rpcs3 ?

    • @Racer-X-090
      @Racer-X-090 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I personally didn't notice any difference, but I'm sure results will vary depending on your computer.

    • @batedstudent44
      @batedstudent44 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      try lossless scaling

  • @MrSamadolfo
    @MrSamadolfo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    😎👍 cool broh, i always wanted to try emulation out on my gaming pc, so how does this work with my discs, can i simply use my dvd drive and use my physical discs from my PS2 and PS3?

    • @Cautious_Gamer
      @Cautious_Gamer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You can with PS2 games. Not sure with PS3 titles, but I imagine it may be possible with an external Blu-ray drive that's capable of reading PS3 discs.

    • @MrSamadolfo
      @MrSamadolfo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Cautious_Gamer 🙂 cool, i will try my PS2 discs first then, thanks

  • @retrogamer847
    @retrogamer847 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have two questions
    1-why rpcs3 upscaling resolution not change anything as other emoulator?
    2-is rpcs3 new update could be good for a 8 core CPU like Ryzen 7 7735hs ?

    • @niezzayt3809
      @niezzayt3809 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Lossless Scaling Frame Generation is on Steam, and it will work absolutely fine with your CPU.
      Including resolution upscaling and FSR3 frame generation

    • @retrogamer847
      @retrogamer847 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@niezzayt3809 ghost happen on the screen and I don't feel smoothness with that

    • @niezzayt3809
      @niezzayt3809 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@retrogamer847 OK What's your Graphics card?

    • @retrogamer847
      @retrogamer847 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@niezzayt3809 rtx 4060(140wattage) laptop with 2k screen

    • @PingTPunk-rq9us
      @PingTPunk-rq9us 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What game are you playing? Depending on the game it may not be running well yet.
      Resolutions Scaling setting should work, and unless you have Strict Rendering on.
      That CPU should be okay for many games that has the Playable status on the compatibility list.

  • @DDRmails
    @DDRmails 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    RPCS3:
    "we add 100% performance for weak cpu"
    "but we turn off win 7 support"
    WHY THANK YOU!(

  • @МухаммедАли-б7д
    @МухаммедАли-б7д 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is 10100f enough for emulators or is it better to overpay for 10400f?

    • @AlexwpiGame
      @AlexwpiGame  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unfortunately, the 10th generation of Intel processors has become quite outdated. For emulation, you should either get a 10th gen i7 or go straight for the 12th gen or later.

  • @kevinkev1530
    @kevinkev1530 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Awesome

  • @Jose-ue3bu
    @Jose-ue3bu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Waiting for static recompilation

  • @jaotrx7163
    @jaotrx7163 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    But rac is more playable?

    • @AlexwpiGame
      @AlexwpiGame  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You can play for about 30-40 minutes before it crashes randomly.

    • @jaotrx7163
      @jaotrx7163 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AlexwpiGame tools of destruction with THE CANARY PATCH. on deck at playable at 30 FPS stable m when I test it, I mean when I beat the whole game 😓on the steam deck. I will asume now it should run even be Better without taking loss less in consideration.
      Sadly am not getting succes on a crack in time.

  • @jatindersingh-bo1lb
    @jatindersingh-bo1lb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    bro make a video ziunx emu andriod version

    • @meisterl0
      @meisterl0 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's just like a reskined Yuzu I've experienced zero changes on my switch games. Even the errors I've faced are identical.

  • @gabenewell7505
    @gabenewell7505 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The water is still broken lol

  • @DJMarcosArenas
    @DJMarcosArenas 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    👍🏻

  • @UmbertoDiVaia
    @UmbertoDiVaia 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd really like to see a port of PCSX2 for Android, aethersx2 is dead, and nethersx2 only makes minor improvements...

  • @J.A.Z-TheMortal
    @J.A.Z-TheMortal 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can this be applied to the SteamDeck?

    • @AlexwpiGame
      @AlexwpiGame  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, just update your RPCS3. If you're using PCSX2, use the nightly version directly from the official website.

  • @eltrem_th
    @eltrem_th 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    salut to BRAZIL

  • @3ZIO87
    @3ZIO87 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    😊🎉❤

  • @Tarek_Issa77
    @Tarek_Issa77 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish they would make rpcs3 for Android phones next year 🙏

    • @TestamentFromTheForest
      @TestamentFromTheForest 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That is technically impossible as of now.

    • @Tarek_Issa77
      @Tarek_Issa77 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TestamentFromTheForest what about Xbox 360

    • @TestamentFromTheForest
      @TestamentFromTheForest 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Tarek_Issa77 emulating a PowerPC CPU is easy, but the compilations of the GPU architecture will be extremely taxing for today’s GPUs integrated into ARM CPU.

    • @maskedlibrarian1483
      @maskedlibrarian1483 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TestamentFromTheForest how about wii U??
      I only know a handful about emulation but that system is less compless than the ps3 and considering yuzu android was able to run Wii U ported games like BOW and so on you think it's possible?

    • @TestamentFromTheForest
      @TestamentFromTheForest 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@maskedlibrarian1483 Wii U's CPU is actually easier to emulate, but the Wii U emulation is still not that perfect on PC, yet. It's too early to talk about it, yet.
      You'll also might need a beefier CPU, which means a $1000 phone most likely.

  • @niezzayt3809
    @niezzayt3809 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video fail to mention:
    AVX2 instructions set is MANDATORY.
    There's no way you can run those Emulator without AVX2 because there's practically no Low-end CPU in existence have AVX2. Be it Intel or AMD

  • @DannyDarth
    @DannyDarth 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shame rpcs3 won’t have an android port. I know aether and nethersx2 is out there but just not as good

    • @rorynolan2322
      @rorynolan2322 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ? But those are PS2 emulators

    • @KingLich451
      @KingLich451 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      phones too weak