I dont know if there are many things to learn. People forget that we usually dominate the Rams, and we were the NFC Champs. The Super Bowl the Rams won was because of a dropped INT, with a paid for roster. Not saying there are no good points, but we didnt lack success because we were doing things wrong, or the system we played. We lost because of 7 Pro Bowl players being broken and we were relying on guys who played very little to no football to keep the sinking ship from drowning, like the rams aint on their 7 string running back. The Rams got the spot simply because the Rams have a team full of players that are working together for more then one season. Remember they were trash after everyone of their stars left post Super Bowl. We just need time to gel. The 49ers will take their spot next year where we belong. Nothing to learn here, we need to simply stop shooting ourselves in the foot, and we would have 7 SBs by now
@@Ken49ers_ Yep, 2-0 against a team with 13 injuries, 7 Pro Bowlers and 4 All Pros out, and 1-0 in a game we benched our starters because we clinched the NFC 1st rd bye a week prior. But who cares about details right, even fully loaded the Rams usually survive at best, but its not because Kyle got outcoached. Lets be clear about that
@omnione12 we can name teams that dealt with injuries and they find ways to win so it says more about Kyle and lynch sure they aren't responsible which he did say for the season
@@Ken49ers_ Okay, show me a team that lost 7 Pro Bowlers, 4 All Pros, 1 OPOY, 5 RBs, and made the post season? You speak as if that has nothing to do with the outcome of the season friend. But give me one team. Even the Lions lost 22 players, but go look at who they lost, 5 of them were DT alone, only one was a Pro Bowler (aiden) , I didnt See Sewell out - Trent Williams I didnt see Amon Ra out- Aiyuk I didnt see Gibbs out- CMC I didnt see Montgomery out- Mason I Didnt see Kerby playing with one hand - Huff. They lost 6 starters, only ONE irreplaceable, how many did we lose? But give me one team and I will concede to you and say you have a point.
@@omnione12 Wow! Thats the same team the 9ers have had for the last 3 seasons, how come no rings? You'd think that a team with so much fire power would be a lock for a few championships? KC seems to get it done. What are your excuses for those years?
Could not agree more. Seattle years of success correlate with the same approach Rams are taking. And I am record stating that Rams are this year's dark horse. . Tired of the endless talk of looking for a star bookend to Bosa as some kind of silver bullet. We need waves of young, athletic, dynamic, energetic lineman well coached in basics starting with gap control and responsibility.
After watching games this year, the number one priority for drafting defensive players, find players who can TACKLE! Tired of watching 3 or 4 defensive players dancing with a ball carrier who goes another 4 or 5 yards for a first down!
One year Rams are up and the next year it’s the Niners. Back and forth. Yes, D line is the priority, but at eleven, the Niners need to grab elite talent that falls and address needs thereafter. If Carter, Graham, Johnson, McMillan fall, you grab one of them. Warren moving up might push on of them down.
But it's also the scheme. I hope whoever the Niners new coordinator is will be able to effectively scheme this unit to success. Every level of the defense has a star player so the scheme is very important. But IMO I would rather have a olineman to solidify the inconsistencies of the offense. Better offense will help the defense as well. Just my opinion
I don’t disagree with the idea that an investment in DL is important, but it’s not the message I’d take from the game. We missed on several DL we did take in the draft so we started addressing it more in free agency, so just looking at who we draft recently isn’t giving the whole picture. What we should learn from the game yesterday is how effective, but also how risky, odd man blitzes can be. The best defenses out there typically blitz at pretty high rates and they’re not afraid two extra guys or more. We really don’t do that and our DL isn’t getting home with 4 near enough to disrupt the QB. Minnesota got outblitzed, from LB, from safety, and the fumble was forced by a CB. When Minnesota blitzed, Stafford knew where to go and quick released it out. We haven’t been a big blitzing team with our scheme but there is a shift in that metric that we haven’t caught up to, and hopefully that’s the lesson our coaches will take from it.
Mcvay is high energy and players probably feed off of that, like jimmy harbaugh. Shanahan is not. The only emotion he shows is when he's pissed at a call or non call by refs.
9ers draft last season was excellent imo. Puni, Pearsall, Green, Guerendo, Mustapha have all been successful. Puni, outstanding, Mustapha and Green goid/very good, Guerendo very good at end of season and Pearsall got shot but still played pretty well at the end. Cowing also has potential. How is that a poor draft?
Matt, doesn’t that show the incompetence of Lynch & Shanahan when it comes to drafting? As a 49ers fan that invest money by purchasing tickets & merch, why should I give Lynch/Shanahan the benefit of the doubt that they will make a home run selection at pick 11! Let’s face it, the last 2 times they’ve had a top 15 pick, they’ve struck out with Kinlaw & Lance.
Unfortunately the ones that have to learn is Kyle or whoever is making the first three rounds we everyone thinks is Kyle. Kyle seems very stubborn specially taking advice from media covering the Niners
49ers DL is undersized...they need new DT's, and a strong safety... J. Brown is a backup...Rams' D is awesome, and they have Matt Stafford with two elite receivers, I expect The Rams to surprise everybody, and make it to the Championship game, maybe even the Superbowl.
@@michaelvaughn6145 How can you say McVay is a better coach when Kyle been beating for how many consecutive games? This year was the exception. You only saying McVay is better because Rams are in playoffs this season. Look how many coaches and front office executives have been poached under Kyle and John....Also how many players got contract extension the past few years....
@ I’ve never seen Mcvay run plays to frustrate the fan base like Kyle does, there’s a better run pass mixture and Mcvay has won a Super Bowl but he also knows how to develop other coaches instead of hemorrhaging them. And then finally game management.. don’t make me go there!! It’s all good when CMC is rolling everybody that got contract extension followed that up taking the rest of the year off except Aiuk who got hurt but not before ruining everybody’s mood
@@michaelvaughn6145 Wow! Why don't you become a Rams fan then, since you talk so highly of them. I know lots of Rams fans that get frustrated with McVay play calling at times. Your comment is so biased because you probably watch more 49er games more... Kyle lost to a better duo in SB than McVay did. Rams defense is what made the difference in them beating Vikings last night. Offense was just ok and did enough, nothing special there....
That a great QB can help make up for a myriad of team shortcomings? 🙂 Let's face it, without Stafford, they had zero chance of winning and likely wouldn't be in the playoffs.
Lynch knows this but has continually failed at drafting DL. He hit on Bosa, but let's look at Thomas & Kinlaw. And Hargrave has been a disappointment too.
I am in total agreement with you, Matt...which is rare, however, trust Kyle which I don't and many people don't. But he is up-close to these players more than you and I.....he even know their toilet habits...and we don't.....through "smoke n mirrors" Sam Darnold have habits that when he gets in these habits performs like this in games.....and Brock doesn't....Kyle seen it and knew about it and tried to correct it as much as he could......but Sam has these habits....he like Brady need protection....but on of his faults "hanging on the ball too long" Brock and Tom Brady don't....they get rid of the ball quickly! Darnold doesn't. The one thing that bothered me about The Vikings among many,.....was how were they protecting their QB....and I questioned their defense. I still believe this until the day I die....which can be any day now....that Kyle allowed The Vikings and several teams to beat hi and the 49ers because the 49ers appeared poorly coached and very sloppy with the ball ....missing tackles and throwing interceptions....and most of all....THE 49ers LOOKED LOST out there on the field like that had no game plan and didn't know what they were doing!!!! And I am 70. I am not stupid.....I have seen when the 49ers are prepared!!! So, You and me are not in the locker room after the loss in the SuperBowl....so we don't know what was said to the players by Kyle Shanahan, but it wasn't pleasant. And it set the tone for the problems and injuries that seem very sketches to me and other analysts in the league and bad bad Karma.....which also happened after the 2019 loss in the SuperBowl to The Chiefs!!!!
Yes, pick OL in free agency, draft tightend Tyler Warren with the 11th pick then go defensive edge in 2nd round and 2 LB in 3rd rounds and possibly DL in 4th round no 5th round in draft 😊
The Rams DL is dynamic and we haven’t had that kind of speed in a long time.
Kyle came here and got Jimmy G we have been stuck without a franchise quarterback since they been
I dont know if there are many things to learn. People forget that we usually dominate the Rams, and we were the NFC Champs. The Super Bowl the Rams won was because of a dropped INT, with a paid for roster.
Not saying there are no good points, but we didnt lack success because we were doing things wrong, or the system we played. We lost because of 7 Pro Bowl players being broken and we were relying on guys who played very little to no football to keep the sinking ship from drowning, like the rams aint on their 7 string running back. The Rams got the spot simply because the Rams have a team full of players that are working together for more then one season. Remember they were trash after everyone of their stars left post Super Bowl. We just need time to gel.
The 49ers will take their spot next year where we belong. Nothing to learn here, we need to simply stop shooting ourselves in the foot, and we would have 7 SBs by now
Those are the past as now Sean Mcvay is 3-0 vs Shanahan now.
@@Ken49ers_ Yep, 2-0 against a team with 13 injuries, 7 Pro Bowlers and 4 All Pros out, and 1-0 in a game we benched our starters because we clinched the NFC 1st rd bye a week prior.
But who cares about details right, even fully loaded the Rams usually survive at best, but its not because Kyle got outcoached. Lets be clear about that
@omnione12 we can name teams that dealt with injuries and they find ways to win so it says more about Kyle and lynch sure they aren't responsible which he did say for the season
@@Ken49ers_ Okay, show me a team that lost 7 Pro Bowlers, 4 All Pros, 1 OPOY, 5 RBs, and made the post season? You speak as if that has nothing to do with the outcome of the season friend. But give me one team.
Even the Lions lost 22 players, but go look at who they lost, 5 of them were DT alone, only one was a Pro Bowler (aiden) ,
I didnt See Sewell out - Trent Williams
I didnt see Amon Ra out- Aiyuk
I didnt see Gibbs out- CMC
I didnt see Montgomery out- Mason
I Didnt see Kerby playing with one hand - Huff.
They lost 6 starters, only ONE irreplaceable, how many did we lose?
But give me one team and I will concede to you and say you have a point.
@@omnione12 Wow! Thats the same team the 9ers have had for the last 3 seasons, how come no rings? You'd think that a team with so much fire power would be a lock for a few championships? KC seems to get it done. What are your excuses for those years?
Defense front was huge and O Line for 49 era needs improvement
Could not agree more. Seattle years of success correlate with the same approach Rams are taking. And I am record stating that Rams are this year's dark horse. . Tired of the endless talk of looking for a star bookend to Bosa as some kind of silver bullet. We need waves of young, athletic, dynamic, energetic lineman well coached in basics starting with gap control and responsibility.
We definitely need a stud DT or DE opposite Bosa
@Matt Maiocco Spot on!
For years niners fans keep saying Kyle Shanahan is a Genius what about the Rams coach ?
After watching games this year, the number one priority for drafting defensive players, find players who can TACKLE! Tired of watching 3 or 4 defensive players dancing with a ball carrier who goes another 4 or 5 yards for a first down!
One year Rams are up and the next year it’s the Niners. Back and forth. Yes, D line is the priority, but at eleven, the Niners need to grab elite talent that falls and address needs thereafter. If Carter, Graham, Johnson, McMillan fall, you grab one of them. Warren moving up might push on of them down.
Young, fast defensive lineman!
O Line just as important and SF needs LG, C, and RT
With all due respect Matt, even if we draft a million D-lineman if Kyle doesn't use them properly, then the point is moot.
Has anyone seen Drake Jackson?
But it's also the scheme. I hope whoever the Niners new coordinator is will be able to effectively scheme this unit to success. Every level of the defense has a star player so the scheme is very important. But IMO I would rather have a olineman to solidify the inconsistencies of the offense. Better offense will help the defense as well. Just my opinion
Learn from the Rams formula? Take a wild guess where they got that formula from.
Pretty simple, sack the QB. I saw many teams come into the playoffs with low energy and they’re all out.
I don’t disagree with the idea that an investment in DL is important, but it’s not the message I’d take from the game. We missed on several DL we did take in the draft so we started addressing it more in free agency, so just looking at who we draft recently isn’t giving the whole picture.
What we should learn from the game yesterday is how effective, but also how risky, odd man blitzes can be. The best defenses out there typically blitz at pretty high rates and they’re not afraid two extra guys or more. We really don’t do that and our DL isn’t getting home with 4 near enough to disrupt the QB. Minnesota got outblitzed, from LB, from safety, and the fumble was forced by a CB. When Minnesota blitzed, Stafford knew where to go and quick released it out.
We haven’t been a big blitzing team with our scheme but there is a shift in that metric that we haven’t caught up to, and hopefully that’s the lesson our coaches will take from it.
Alot of young hungry players out there!!!
They draft good and hire good coordinators
All the NFL playoff wins come from teams who run a balanced run/pass or heavy run ratio. Its time of possession.
Mcvay is high energy and players probably feed off of that, like jimmy harbaugh. Shanahan is not. The only emotion he shows is when he's pissed at a call or non call by refs.
Draft defensive linemen and get a couple of offensive linemen in free agency.
9ers draft last season was excellent imo. Puni, Pearsall, Green, Guerendo, Mustapha have all been successful. Puni, outstanding, Mustapha and Green goid/very good, Guerendo very good at end of season and Pearsall got shot but still played pretty well at the end. Cowing also has potential. How is that a poor draft?
FA OL are extremely expensive. Draft is the better way to go.
Kyle and John have struck out on drafting WR's, DL, OL, TE's and RBs. Bosa and BA were the exceptions.
Pearsall, Puni and Guerendo are not busts!
Neither are Green or Mustapha.
Draft, draft, draft. No more kickers in the third round.
Matt, doesn’t that show the incompetence of Lynch & Shanahan when it comes to drafting? As a 49ers fan that invest money by purchasing tickets & merch, why should I give Lynch/Shanahan the benefit of the doubt that they will make a home run selection at pick 11! Let’s face it, the last 2 times they’ve had a top 15 pick, they’ve struck out with Kinlaw & Lance.
No
Drake Jackson and Robert Beal JR haven't done shi* Spencer Burford sucks
Thankfully this draft is loaded with dlineman
Unfortunately the ones that have to learn is Kyle or whoever is making the first three rounds we everyone thinks is Kyle. Kyle seems very stubborn specially taking advice from media covering the Niners
They drafter 2 ol last year didn’t they? Love great dl, but so far no ring.
We should try a ol in the top 10 in pass protection for a change.
49ers DL is undersized...they need new DT's, and a strong safety... J. Brown is a backup...Rams' D is awesome, and they have Matt Stafford with two elite receivers, I expect The Rams to surprise everybody, and make it to the Championship game, maybe even the Superbowl.
Coop is not elite anymore.
How about putting some focus on Koucerek for not developing any of these players. He likes to scream and tell but where are the results?
The lesson is that they should have hired McVay.
GM Les Snead runs the Rams’ draft.
I agree, Mcvay is a better coach and It’ll always be a mystery as to who’s responsible for whiffing on the first rounders that this regime has.
@@michaelvaughn6145 How can you say McVay is a better coach when Kyle been beating for how many consecutive games? This year was the exception. You only saying McVay is better because Rams are in playoffs this season. Look how many coaches and front office executives have been poached under Kyle and John....Also how many players got contract extension the past few years....
@ I’ve never seen Mcvay run plays to frustrate the fan base like Kyle does, there’s a better run pass mixture and Mcvay has won a Super Bowl but he also knows how to develop other coaches instead of hemorrhaging them. And then finally game management.. don’t make me go there!! It’s all good when CMC is rolling everybody that got contract extension followed that up taking the rest of the year off except Aiuk who got hurt but not before ruining everybody’s mood
@@michaelvaughn6145 Wow! Why don't you become a Rams fan then, since you talk so highly of them. I know lots of Rams fans that get frustrated with McVay play calling at times. Your comment is so biased because you probably watch more 49er games more... Kyle lost to a better duo in SB than McVay did. Rams defense is what made the difference in them beating Vikings last night. Offense was just ok and did enough, nothing special there....
That a great QB can help make up for a myriad of team shortcomings? 🙂 Let's face it, without Stafford, they had zero chance of winning and likely wouldn't be in the playoffs.
Lynch knows this but has continually failed at drafting DL. He hit on Bosa, but let's look at Thomas & Kinlaw. And Hargrave has been a disappointment too.
Drake Jackson and Robert Beal Jr to say and now Jy Ayer Brown
So is this more an indictment on John Lynch or Kyle Shanahan???
I am in total agreement with you, Matt...which is rare, however, trust Kyle which I don't and many people don't. But he is up-close to these players more than you and I.....he even know their toilet habits...and we don't.....through "smoke n mirrors" Sam Darnold have habits that when he gets in these habits performs like this in games.....and Brock doesn't....Kyle seen it and knew about it and tried to correct it as much as he could......but Sam has these habits....he like Brady need protection....but on of his faults "hanging on the ball too long" Brock and Tom Brady don't....they get rid of the ball quickly! Darnold doesn't. The one thing that bothered me about The Vikings among many,.....was how were they protecting their QB....and I questioned their defense. I still believe this until the day I die....which can be any day now....that Kyle allowed The Vikings and several teams to beat hi and the 49ers because the 49ers appeared poorly coached and very sloppy with the ball ....missing tackles and throwing interceptions....and most of all....THE 49ers LOOKED LOST out there on the field like that had no game plan and didn't know what they were doing!!!! And I am 70. I am not stupid.....I have seen when the 49ers are prepared!!! So, You and me are not in the locker room after the loss in the SuperBowl....so we don't know what was said to the players by Kyle Shanahan, but it wasn't pleasant. And it set the tone for the problems and injuries that seem very sketches to me and other analysts in the league and bad bad Karma.....which also happened after the 2019 loss in the SuperBowl to The Chiefs!!!!
They need to take Kenneth grant round 1.
Kolbie Turner looks like a headache for years to come. Fisk, Young, Verse, Higbee, 2 rbs are solid rookie contract players. Rams draft better
Trading away Buck was a HUGE mistake.
Rams ain't going to the super bowl lol
Yep, no chance whatsoever.
Who do the 9ers play next week??? The Cabo Raiders...LOL
oh oh OH OH OH.... I wonder If Jerry Jones will ask Michael Irving to be HC!!! I wonder.
With that terrible OL good luck with a good DL. The niners is collecting the fruits of the Trey Lamce investment
Build a better offensive and defensive line..
The lesson is that darnold is trash and the rams are favored because of the la fires.
Yes, pick OL in free agency, draft tightend Tyler Warren with the 11th pick then go defensive edge in 2nd round and 2 LB in 3rd rounds and possibly DL in 4th round no 5th round in draft 😊
You don’t go TE at 11 😂
Too high to draft a Tight End
Warren is an option because of his versatility. But you draft who falls in the first round - Carter, Graham, Johnson , McMillan
The first lesson is having a quarterback with big enough hands to grip the ball! Something Purdy does not have...