Floyd Mayweather's 50-0 vs Manny Pacquiao's 8 divisions - Unbreakable Boxing Records?
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- Floyd Mayweather Jr or Manny Pacquiao? Who was the greater boxer?
Such frequent debates often boil down to a discussion over which accomplishment was greater? The perfect unblemished 50-0 record of the great Floyd Mayweather Jr? Or the unprecedented accomplishment of the great Manny Pacquiao becoming the only 8 division champion during the long rich history of boxing? Will either boxing record ever be broken? And how do these landmark accomplishments compare to some of the other incredible achievements in boxing history?
This episode of Rummy's Corner was written, narrated, and produced by Geoffrey Ciani (aka - Rummy).
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Floyd Mayweather's perfect 50-0 record vs Manny Pacquiao's 8 division world champion - Unbreakable Boxing Records?
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What makes this video great is that it's not just about Mayweather or Pacquiao, but takes us through the rich history of the greatest boxers ever. Thank you.
Pacquiao is greater than Floyd from a legacy point of view but Mayweather is better than Pacquiao from a skill point of view.
@@lilpenny1982 Agreed, but I think Pacquiao was more than live if they would've fought when they should back between 2009-10.
@@lilpenny1982 Well said!
@@lilpenny1982 I can agree on that except the 8 classes manny took over only 3 had great fighters in and Floyd was 5x different weight world champ at 130-154 and manny was 8x so what are you counting manny fighting at 106 or 115 lmao like chill guy he fought nobody to win any of them titles under 130…
@@lilpenny1982 No Pacquiao isn’t. Floyd beat more world champions, and dominated Manny in their head to head match up. It’s not really arguable.
8 division world champion, lineal champ in 5 different weight classes and a champion in 4 different decades will never be broken. #manny #pacquiao
No one will be able to beat Floyd’s highly prestigious record 26 world champions 16 world champions beaten straight and defeated one of the best ever strikers in UFC history.
@@ComaToast1 ahahahaa..and never leaves outside vegas..
paid 1.5Million just to choose opponents gloves
used numbing substance in his hands
2x fake retire to hide pacman
hired IV guru in pacman fight and was caught using substances that covers PEDs.
hired spy in pacman camp
AHAHA..your a joke..that is all facts dude..
@@ComaToast1 pacquiao beat 22 world champion compare to 26 but bejng 4 deacade champ 5 lineal and 8 division champ + oldest welterweight champ at 40 deym floyd skip to fight manny from 2010 to 2015 hehe
All 50 fight of floyd are the most boring fight no action just a jab jab run all 12 rounds 1 2 jab jab run jab jab run jab jab run jab jab run and the fans fall asleep hahah
@@ComaToast1 you really trying to count the McGregor fight as a big accomplishment??
There’s only one 8 division champion in the history of the sport. He’s also the oldest welterweight champion in history not to mention the only champion to hold a title in 4 decades. Those records will never be broken.
Amanda Serrano is a 7 division "world" champion right now...
@@hannibalbeats24 lmao
6 divisions, the ring magazine and ibo don't count
Manny got like 8 defeats including the guy we are comparing him too. Floyd is a better fighter so the comparison makes no sense. Smh
@@amirmustafaa652 😅😂😂
Remember, Canelo recently tried moving for his another division belt but lost to a bigger and faster Bivol. I wonder who can beat the 8 Division record.
Only the Pacquiao jealous haters & tough keyboard warriors can beat the Five Lineal Octuple Division record. By debating with you that IV9 - 0 record is greater.
Canelo can't beat it.. he too big and if he goes up he'll be going up against cruserweights.. it's just gonna shorten his career, specially on his previous match how much he got hit.
Who was in their prime that Many PakROIDS Punkiao beat? Didn’t Margacheto get found out? Besides the plaster in his hands he wasn’t shhhh, but a walking punching bag. Didn’t Hatton Cotto Margacheto and Lucas all had to get knocked out before the PakBISHman would fight them? Didn’t Morales had to come from a fresh ass whooping ALL THREE TIMES THEY FOUGHT? Many PakROIDS Punkiao is the biggest BishAsssMF the sport has seen.
Canelo didn't do catchweights to win those belts, if he did what manny did to have a massive advantage he would have made bivol come down to 160 with a rehydration clause lol. Don't worry, Floyd did it too, plus Floyd lost CLEARLY to Castillo so he's not undefeated either.
Clenelo was bigger against Floyd. Didn't help him. It's not about the size buddy.
Rummy, you took the Money/Pacman debate as an excuse to lecture a masterclass in boxing history and perspective in statistics. It was AWESOME. Thank you.
Talk about those steroids
I think people forget about the fact that Manny Pacquiao already had a hall of fame career before moving up to Welterweight and fighting De La Hoya. Pacquaio was a 5 division champ and he had guys like Barrera, Morales, and Marquez on his resume before even being mentioned along side Mayweather.
Pacman is the forgotten legend. By the way, I did a video on my channel which analyses how a fighter can beat "The Philly Shell" defence... CHECK IT OUT!
I’m glad you pointed this out because I always say before Pacquiao stepped up to Hatton he was a hall famer and an all time great.
PAC didn’t move to welterweight until late 2008. He also lost to Morales in the 1st fight. By your logic people forget Floyd had a Hall of fame career before moving to middleweight. Undefeated is always going to be greater then 8 losses and 2 draws.
That’s like saying Floyd was already a HOFer after his stint at 35 and 40 🤣 they both became the stars they’re known as because of their work at 47 fighting bigger and better guys.
Yes.
Becoming and remaining undefeated is hard. Conquering 8 divisions is even harder
Just delete this and try again bro.
But pacquiao is only a 6 division champion or you actually count the ring magazine and ibo as champion in 2 division?
there are a lot of records in boxing and there are a lot of records that manny didnt achieve as well that others did. dont make it seem that number of weight divisions won is the main basis of greatness in boxing. it still boils down to qualities of oppositions fought and defeated. manny didnt even beat a champ at 154 and the fight was at a catchweight. manny didnt even win regular belts at featherweight and superlightweight.
Becoming an 8 division champion and only losing 10 times is hard. Conquering 5 divisions and going undefeated is even harder.
One fight at 140 and one fight at "154" are hardly conquering divisions
There have been plenty of boxers who went 50 fights undefeated. There's only one 8 division Champ.
Name the plenty who have been 50-0
Name them....who are these fighters who had 0 draws and 0 losses and 50 wins?
Tell everyone pactard
@Rummy this is the perfect example of how Pacquiao fans dont know their boxing...this Pacquiao nerd is making a false claim that, "plenty of boxers who went 50 fights undefeated." Yet he cant name a single 1, because in reality there are none.
Name 3 fighters outside of Mayweather, who retired with 0 Draws and 0 Losses with 50 or more wins.
They lie and lie and lie...they think their fake slow motion video somehow changes the result....I'm the one who SCHOOLED artorias boxing as to his video not making any sense because it's based on a punch count system and professional boxing is not scored on a punch count system..his response is that it is scored on a punch count system....then I asked him to explain the 10 point must system and the guy had no clue what I was talking about🤣🤣
That's how elementary these Pacquiao nerds are with their knowledge of the sport.
They dont even know proper scoring criteria
There is only one who beat 23 champions
Only one who beat 16 champions consecutively
Only one to hold 5 belts in two different weight classes simultaneously
Only one who has a +30%
That one is Floyd Mayweather
@rummy and this is another example of a misinformed Pacquiao nerd....I dont see any floyd fan making false claims that there are other 8 division champs out there..but these pactards make false claims that there are a bunch of other fighters who went 0 draws and 0 losses and 50 or more wins.
See this is the difference. They can say 8 divisions but then they dont know anything beyond that...damn I need to come to your channel more...so many people to win easy boxing DEBATES against because theres so many Pacquiao nerds on your channel
This is probably the most respectful boxing video I've ever seen when it comes to the debate between Pacquiao and Mayweather. You did an amazing job on this video Rummy, and I agree with what you've said in the video.
I believe there are 2 other boxers who had more than 50 wins before their 1st defeat. Willie Pep had it 62-0, and Julio Ceasar Chavez had 89-0 before their 1st defeat. If the objective is 50 consecutive fight wins then there are 3 boxers who achieved them. There is only one 8-divisions Champion.
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Also finito Lopez and a few others I can't think of right now
And the thai boxer who was 53 and 0
@@brandogarcia5353 how many world titles did finito win? And how many weight classes? Mayweather is a 15 time world champion in 5 weight classes.
@@OGFrylock Mayweather is a bitch and a coward. He's like the LeBron of boxing- stacking the deck, playing for stats, playing the game like a coward.
poor pactards very poor in logic hehe...floyd won fifteen major world titles without his ass kissing the canvass while manny got eight losses and three knockedout losses
Fans now don't realise how big of a deal it was manny coming up in weight. Dude started at flyweight. Really he peaked out at super feather. When he came up the weights no one really gave hi a chance of competing with the big light welter and welters. He could have easily stayed at lightweight and below for the rest of his career and still retired a legend of the sport. But he dared to go up in weight and give away huge natural size advantages. Him coming up to fighter guys like floyd at welter was the equivalent to floyd have come up to super middle and fighting ward.
Yeah but if u think about it manny had barely any amateur record and started so young that he could make those weights. If floyd went pro at 16-17 he would probably have won more titles in more divisions also... definitely not trying to downplay manny either
BS!! Pacquiao out weighed Floyd when they fought and most of Pacquiao big fights there was a catchweigh and a hydration clause...facts. Stop with the nonsense.
He actually started as an undersized minimum weight. Margarito was nearly a super middleweight on fight night which is pretty crazy.
@@matthewkatigbak true cuz I'm pretty sure manny weighed something like 96lbs and he had to put weights in his pockets to make the weight or something like that.
Floyd also went up in weight...he is a 5 division champion and the only fighter in boxing history to retire undefeated and win titles in more than 2 divisions..he did so in 5
It's obvious Manny's 8 division is more impressive. There were a ton of boxers who were 50-0 at sometime in their career but the fact you not only had to win the title in 8 divisions but the fact that you could go from fly weight and up to his heaviest weight and still OWN ANC DOMINATE EVERY DIVISION ALONG THE WAY is crazy. Floyd never fought an A list boxer in their prime. He was cherry picking people on the decline that he knew he outsped
it's not just the 50-0 record you idiot..... Mayweather defeated 23 world champions only floyd has done that
This is false..you pactards are really desperate
He never unified once and when it comes to the four major sanctioning bodies he's a 6 division champion which is still impressive
Floyd beat manny. Game over
Maidana, Canelo, Zab and Ricky Hatton
Manny's journey to achieving his accomplishments was unthinkable and more than phenomenal. Don't forget that he started from a rug glove with a hole on his slippers.
Roids
@@mackwitdavortexx he used to come into his fights with morales at 130, weighing 140 on fight night naturally. If you wanna say he was on roids because he was “avoiding” the needle against Floyd, keep in mind they were gonna make him test during fight week for that fight negotiation in 2009-2010. They did that to him in PacMorales3 and manny ended up getting sick that week and who knows he probably couldn’t of been able to fight if the sickness had worsened. If you wanna say his backne in fights like Márquez IV were an indication of roids, look at the back of Rey Vargas when he fought Mark Magsayo last month, and vargas was literally clean. I don’t know why people like to put in false narratives like “pacroid” just because they don’t like a fighter like shut up bruh damn.
@@prodkenny302 u stupid dumbass Manny ended up testing during fight week anyways...and now days blood tests are mandatory and can be done anytime up until before the fight.
Manny ducked Floyd in 2010..just say it kid 😂
@Kevin Carmell but Floyd didn't use any peds to beat Pacquiao...it was easy to see from the start that Floyd was going to win
What, and Floyd started out sleeping on a bunch of roses, with a silver spoon in his mouth 😏⁉️
One of your best videos Rummy. Great points on how the sport of boxing has changed over the years with not only the number of belts but weight classes, number of fights, number of rounds in a fight.
Yea that’s a fact except your for getting that’s different from 8 division world titles. You have to move up in weight beat your opponent then you get the belt. Your talking those no name belts no one care about that’s today era.
Floyd went 50-0 to Mcgregor that doesn’t count in my mind. He also went 49-0 to Berto someone who was way out of his league. Manny has been fighting much bigger guys the last fights of his career. Always challenging himself and striving for greatness. You can’t compare the two. Manny lost to Floyd but his legacy is much better. If we’re going just go on undefeated status. Then might as well say rocky maricano is the greater than Mohammed Ali, Floyd Paterson, and Joe Louis.
Always challenging himself? 😂🤣😅😂🤣😅. It’s got to be the biggest idiotic statement ever, how can such ignorance be? Who’s more of a challenge, fighting someone coming from a victory or a defeat? Obviously fighting someone coming from a fresh victory is right? Then why did the PakBISHman always chose to fight Morales coming from a fresh ass whooping ALL THREE TIMES THEY FOUGHT? Why did the PakBISHman wait until Cotto Margacheto Hatton and Lucas all had to get knocked out before the PakBISHman would fight them? I’ll tell you why many PakROIDS Punkiao is the biggest bishAsssMF the sport has seen. There’s your hero 🐷😂🤣😅. Now gtfh
Mayweather lost to Castillo the fight with Pacquiao Marcos were robbery
That’s largely a lie. Pac has had a lot of men he had no business facing.
Shane, Oscar, Hatton, morales twice, Barrera…….not to mention David diaz, Chris Algeri, Brandon Rios, Jesse Vargas, Timothy Bradley…….those are not challenges.
Besides, Floyd beat Manny. So you can’t say Pac has this amazing legacy, but lost to Floyd.
Manny's loss to Floyd is a farce. Scorecards should've been 114-114 or 115-113 for Manny. All Floyd did was run and he didn't even land meaningful punches, had no ring generalship, was not agressive.
@@kareemabdulwahhab6919 yes I can. Ali, Joe Louis, Duran, and Robinson all have loses on their record. They are the greatest boxers. Floyd never took big risks he could just sell fights. He never went up in weight to fight someone naturally bigger than him or fought a killer in his prime. PAC as you said was in there with men he had no business being in there with. He took the risks. Floyd didn’t. Floyd hasn’t had a challenge since he fought Cotto. Every fight after that he was fighting people that no one would consider a top 10 ranked contender. And he finished his last fight against a dude who can’t box. Floyd was toying with Conor the entire fight. All Floyd did was make more money than the rest. That’s the only big accomplishment he did. If you wanna say he made most money boxing. Yeah I agree he did. But to call his legacy is just untrue
As always, another brilliant & informative video to stop & make us think beyond the boundaries. Thank you Rummy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
It always is my bro. By the way, I did a video on my channel which analyses how a fighter can beat "The Philly Shell" defence... CHECK IT OUT!
Fantastic video and I agree with the message. It's really frustrating to see people judge fighters based on their Wikipedia page. Ultimately what makes a fighter great is what they display in the ring, be that technical brilliance, physical dominance, intellectual superiority or even good old fashion heart and fighting spirit.
Now this is a very underrated comment 👏 👌
Thouroghly and effusively agree
What boxing fan looks up somebody's Wikipedia page to see their record ? That's by far the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Well said!
That because it's easy now, not like back then when people had to explain why Sugar Ray Robinson,Rocky M, or Ali was at the top if not the GOAT. it's about level of fighters you fight, and how you beat them. it's Criteria established for years. For example Robinson had lot of losses But he fought some of the top fighters In their prime he lost a couple but he made improvements and came back and won. Because he was able to be higher level fighters that's why he is Ranked higher than undefeated Boxers.
I think Jimmy Wilde won something like 92 fights before he ever had a loss. Julio Caeser Chavez had 89, and Willie Pep was 62-0. It's still impressive for Mayweather to go 49-0 like Marciano did, but it's insane to me that a former Flyweight could win titles in eight divisions (skipping two along the way), and five lineal titles- and often NOT on points: he was beating the shit out of and brutally KO-ing Hall of Fame fighters like Morales, Barrera, De La Hoya, Cotto. He flattened Hatton, knocked down the granite-chinned Mosley, and completely battered and broke the orbital bone of Margarito: a guy who weighed 17 pounds more than him on fight night. And all as a former FLYWEIGHT!
Floyd was smarter at the fight GAME: choose your fights carefully, hit and don't get hit, make your money, and get out. He was an outstanding defensive points boxer. But I don't equate him as the same level of legend that Pacquiao is and will always be. To be great you have to dare to be great and challenge yourself, and I don't think Floyd ever took any big chances and really challenged himself. Everything was extremely and thoughtfully calculated.
Still, two all-time legends for different reasons!
despite the official record I will always argue Mayweather lost the 1st Castillo fight watched it multiple times n just cant see how Floyd won it
Floyd lost in the Olympics and 8 times in the amateur. Floyd cherrypicked in his pro career and was called out for it. Manny was P4P in both their Primes. Floyd fought Manny way after he was P4P.
Yes castillo did win the first fight AND yes Márquez did beat paquiao 3 out of 4 with one tied. Anyways julio Cesar Chávez Is the Best AND doubt who can reach His récord 89-0🇲🇽🥊
@@alexlilano1931 many thought he was robbed in the Olympics. Every boxer picks their opponents, but Floyd's resume is great, honestly
@@alexlilano1931 see they tell you that Floyd list to Castillo but also tell you he list in the Olympics when one of the judges literally quit because they knew they stole that win from Floyd in the olympics!!
I don't trust 90% of floyds detractors..most of them simply hate him based on things that have nothing to do with boxing.
Chavez officially lost his 12th fight by DQ but his drinking buddies in the Mexican Boxing Association change the result the next morning
Pacquiao's 8 Division World Titles will most likely never be replicated. 50-0 has been done multiple times in the past and can be done again, especially if fighting exhibitions and including it on your record.
@Youbig Dummy Floyd lost 8 times in the amateur and once in the Olympics. Floyd was called out for ducking too. Dont forget that. th-cam.com/video/fJDTzWRWc34/w-d-xo.html Here is a video of all the call outs. Floyd doesnt want to box a top Prime boxer. The time he did he lost in the Olympics.
8 Divisions is possible if you get beat a few times and juice your way to the top... Plus to go 50-0 he added Pac to his resume
@@MrSlowPaper it's funny that he is one of the most tested fighter for peds and even the gReAt mayweather accused him only for him to lose a case, and here you are claiming peds and sh*ts.
@@MrSlowPaper and he quits boxing to maintain that 50-0. 🤦
@@MrSlowPaper yeah after taking blood from him and using IVs to mask sumthin else. Gj Mayweather
It should be "perfection" because it required ducking, pussing out, "retiring", and excuses.
The 8 Division champion is insanely more unbreakable, as in order to do what Floyd did, you just need to do what Floyd did.
Exactly correct💯% Real Talk💯%
Manny is a 6 division champion
Ok but you probably like Jordan and he retired 🤣 the hypocrisy is crazy
They both owe me $50 for that horrifically boring fight….
It was a destruction pac lost, you don't know shit about boxing
Fr 😂😂
It was $100 so I know you didn’t buy it 😂
Lol yup.
They owe us all an apology for that sparring session they put on smh 🤦🏽
When I hear about what Manny had to overcome to get to where he is, combined with how much good he’s done for his people outside of it, I have to give the nod to Manny.
He came from poverty we simply can’t understand in the US, and became an 8 division champ as well as the oldest welterweight champ. It’s incredible.
poverty is poverty
that's what's wrong with this world!, people think's that poverty is different in other parts of the world...adversity is adversity...whether in the Philippines or Detroit...Paciou being himself,probably would have died growing up in the situation Floyd grew up in....that being said, adversity is adversity, no matter where you live!
Floyd’s dad was a drug dealer and his mother was a drug addict. His full family slept in the same bed. And he is one of the richest black men in America.
@@qdigggs Please read a bit more sir, building up from poverty in the USA is far different to an African country
Flomos vs Pactards two groups of Low IQ imbeciles that honestly Boxing can do without. I personally like Pacquiao more as a fighter yet I prefer Mayweather more as a boxer. In their Era I have Mayweather #1 & Pacquiao #2.
If we could create a freak of nature Boxer who had all of May & Pac best attributes you'll have a fighter who would be undoubtedly the best boxer ever imaginable.
He would go 100 wins - 0 loses 90 ko and Undisputed in 9 divisions.
Money and Pacman are the best you can possibly want from either a fighter or pure boxer stand point. Just appreciate that you was around to witness greatness from these amazing athletes.
While I respect this video's attempt to respect both fighters, the idea of equating Mayweather's 49-0 (McGregor is a non-boxer) to Pacquiao's becoming the only 8-division champion, 5-division lineal champion, and the only fighter to still be a champ in 4 consecutive decades... is American exceptionalism nonsense.
If someone thinks Floyd was Greater than Manny-it’s because of “American Exceptionalism”.
If someone thinks Manny was Greater than Floyd-it’s because of “Racism”.
It’s physically impossible for anyone to have any logical thought, at any time, on any topic-under any circumstances, ever.
Everyone is a tribal, racist, misogynistic, bigoted, xenophobic, nationalistic demon, that spends every waking moment thinking about how they can become _more_ tribal, racist, misogynistic, bigoted, xenophobic, and nationalistic-than they already are.
The 8 divisions mean everything. To get them you was fighting for champion's as you moved up. Unlike 50/0 can beat 50 McGregor's
Floyd was 5 divisions.
@@bigboris5774 and mcgregor is not aboxer
@@Alibadbad eight losses and three knocked out losses...went to wonderland by marquez haha
Manny is a 6 division champion
If Floyd tried to be 8 division champ he won't be 50-0
It works both ways? If pacqiao persued 50-0 he wouldn't be 8 div champ either
He'd have to go to 175, which would be insane. Pac's road is the only way an 8-division champ could happen. The gains in strength and size get more pronounced above 160.
Too bad you can't prove that buddy.
there are a lot of records in boxing and there are a lot of records that manny didnt achieve as well that others did. dont make it seem that number of weight divisions won is the main basis of greatness in boxing. it still boils down to qualities of oppositions fought and defeated. manny didnt even beat a champ at 154 and the fight was at a catchweight. manny didnt even win regular belts at featherweight and superlightweight.
he still can be undefeated if just like manny he chose to fight weakest champs in a division, paper champs and non champions to get a belt.
If only this fight happened right after Manny beat De La Hoya! I still think Floyd would have won a decision but it would have been so much more significant for his legacy and likely a much more exciting of a fight! Such a shame!
Idk people would have probably given the marquez excuse of him being too small
This fight would be perfect. By the way, I did a video on my channel which analyses how a fighter can beat "The Philly Shell" defence... CHECK IT OUT!
Nah Floyd would still utilize his 5 inch reach advantage...hes simply more skilled and his reach is something Pacquiao couldnt get inside of
Yeah A & D I thought Manny and Floyd had similar hand speed, but Floyd seemed to be a lot faster than Manny with his decision making... He threw a punch, and was ducking the punch Manny was about to throw... I do not think that was ever going to change....
@@BxngWorld LMAO Okay I just stopped laughing... Boxing world have you ever put on a pair of gloves and boxed on any level? Let me tell you why your video, or any video saying " how to defeat the Philly Shell" can never be accurate... Its almost like making a video "how to defeat the cross guard" Are you going to do a video on Archie Moore, who slips and rolls. Or Evander Holyfield? Floyd Mayweather if he chooses has a more lateral movement than most fighters who also use the Philly shell....In fact he can abandoned and not use it all... (diego corrales fight)
Mayweather is one of the greats but let us remember that Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. went 89-0 before losing and he fought the best boxers of his time.
What??? 89-0 and mayweather is actually 49-0 Conor 0-0 record don’t count
Julio Cesar Chavez is have 72 wins before he had a Draw against Pernell Whitaker and he had 74 wins,1draw, before he had a lost. So if the Undefeated record is the basis to be come a Greatest Boxers of all time Floyd Mayweather Jr. is not deserving .
Chavez fought farmers to build his record up
@@jaren2159 I'm not a boxing historian so I can't confirm if what you say is true or not...then again so what? Sounds like you're looking down on people with humble origins...Earnie Shavers worked on a farm, Jack Dempsey was a bum, Manny Pacquiao was a bum too.
Taking this video from who's greater in boxing, and comparing it to cover boxing's illustrious history in such a comprehensive perspective.. listing the great's in their eras at the same time. Rummy, this was a gem of all gems from you. This needs to he seen an appreciated by many. Thank you for this.
Well done, Rummy. Enjoyed the content; you make a very sensible argument and I for one happen to agree with you. You make it apparent (if we have forgotten) that fight fans have an embarrassment of riches that have been laid before them now for decades! Thanks for the upload. Take care.
Rummy with another great one, but too bad the comments are gonna be people who don't even watch the video before typing something downplaying one of these greats with their many biased narratives about either someone being boring and picking the right fights or steroid allegations and favoritism from the media.
Didn’t watch, just commented….. sorry
@@baughjaughes5104 so did I 🤣 apparently you're not allowed to have an opinion and have to agree both was great because some content maker decides you have too. It's not like we don't know anything of manny or mayweather is history to already make a choice on who's better and we all know mayweather dogged manny for years
And I've noticed the content maker likes comments that agee with his narrative. Mayweather was knowing for picking fights at the right time while manny just fucked shit up and moved on like a boss 😎😎😎😎
Guilty
@@dontask9782 no I don't know Floyd Dogged manny.. according to Freddie roach Manny ducked Floyd..
Pacquiao will probably go down as the greater P4P fighter, despite losing the 2015 bout where both were not at their best anymore. Floyd’s 50-0 record can definitely be disputed as well, I don’t think he goes down as a top 5 all time (neither does Pacquiao) but he is an ATG. Pacquiao beating Thurman to become the oldest welterweight champion added on to his already amazing resume.
He won’t go down as the better P4P fighter and he shouldn’t be..pac was weight bullying guys at 130, Floyd wasn’t ever able to even have that advantage
So it was amazing to see pacquiao beat a much younger thurman, but when he loses to floyd, years earlier, it doesn't count because they were both old? Lol floyd easily beating canelo, who most consider the best p4p right now definitely says something... floyd beat the past, present and future of boxing and he always did it after guys had their biggest wins.
Pac kept fighting the best easy as that. Mayweathers last 10 fights where not very good. I mean guy fought andre berto.
In what world? Even right now most people consider Mayweather top 5 atleast. In 20-30 years he will probably be widely considered the greatest of all time.
@@hannibalbeats24 Floyd vs Pacquiao was one of the most hyped fights in history. Floyd had to wait until he saw Pacquiao get knocked clean out to negotiate a fight with him. Floyd was awesome when he was a young champion but as he got older he picked fights at the right time, picking up a title at 140 against a weak champion in Gatti, had a close fight with an inactive Del La Hoya to pick up a title at 154, had he beaten the likes of Hatton and Marquez at 140 he would probably get more credit for those wins, Marquez had to gain 17 pounds to fight Floyd, Canelo was inexperienced at high level when he fought Floyd at a catch weight, and even arguably lost to Lara after that fight, and then deciding to fight Berto who was not even top 5 at that time instead of Brook, Porter, Bradley, Garcia or Thurman who were all deserving of a fight with Floyd.
I think this is one of your best commentaries for a very long time...Great job on this one....But hey, what do I know...🤷🏾♂️😁👍🏽🥊
Thank you very much. Glad you enjoyed it.
This is one of the best videos on TH-cam. What a great, unbiased, in depth summary of a century of boxing!
Manny considered as “legendary” as fought bigger names out of all modern boxers on this 21st century. Warrior who fought over 50’ battle similar like an old times legends as Ali, IronMike, #Sugar robinson, #Duran
In this modern boxing, 17 divisions category were added and only the 5”5 1/2 Manny dare to challenge at worldwide stage with his talented unpredictable dazzling handspeed power even at his 40’s. Fighting with bigger, heights, young talented opponents in most of his 72 fight what made Manny known as top “21st century boxing” by worldwide web: Ranker, sportbible and more. Best recap, Manny already being named on 2000 as “Champion of champion” and “P4p of decade” that never been duplicated by any boxers in 90’s era history till now. Plus, in boxrec had recorded hes the only man in history who beaten many champion in total of 26 champions(8 HOF). Hes the one and only in history boxer recognised as octuple championship holder from GuinessWorld record book
Not!
@@tankwhite.7036 hey tank where you been? My 8 year old son wants to play Roblox….
Floyd ended up schooling that Manny boy 😂....and Floyd beat more hall of famers and he beat Manny too 😂
Rummy I love your channel! Been a fan since day one! Thank you for the time that you put in to your content for us. This was an awesome breakdown! By the way Bernard Hopkins is my favorite boxer of all time
Both are legends, that's what I got out of this.
Both are but one beat the other & never was accused of steroids
Clicked this as soon as I saw the notification!
It's very easy to maintain undefeated record, as long as you are always choosing who you wanna fight with, than getting the record of 8 division Champ knowing that this person is not afraid of fighting whoever the opponent is. #PACMANISTHEBEST!
Awesome boxing history lesson.. I learned a lot and puts things into perspective.. keep up the amazing work
“132 knockouts” crazy stuff.
@@thefightingprophet. Great comment.
Manny is the man
And the opponent is a chicken?😁
Floyd won almost every round against your man
@@jehdee22 that simply proves Floyd is the more skilled welterweight, not necessarily the fighter with greater accomplishments
@@darthvader280 he beat 11 hall of famers to Pacquiaos 8. He holds a better win percentage amongst common opponents....Floyd unified 147 and 154 with the WBA WBC WBO Ring and Lineal titles at 147 and simultaneously held the WBA WBC Ring and Lineal titles at 154 pounds. He was also the number 1 ranked p4p fighter in the world and never lost his status outside of his brief retirement in end 2007 to mid 2009.
He is the 1st fighter to win the lineal title 5 times.....he won lineal titles at 130 135 147 twice and 154. Pacquiao is the only other fighter to do this however he won lineal titles in 5 divisions....Pacquiao never once unified in his entire career.
Floyd is a 5 division major world title holder while Pacquiao is a 6 division major world title holder and a 2 division minor world title holder for a total of 8....but having beaten both oscar and manny who won titles in more divisons, shows the level he is on and hes definitley greater and better than Pacquiao..beat more hall of famers too..11 to 8. And 8 is still impressive
I still have Pacquiao number 2 of his era behind only Floyd...pac5is a top 15 atg where as Floyd is listed on every current and credible list out there as a top 3 to 8 depending on which source you're checking.
Yes the three times he was knocked out with one punch😊
Manny's is FAR more impressive
@Youbig Dummy Still he got accomplishment, 50-0 is basic, i get boxers in a title match win in points, lol if floyd is a vampire he can get 5000-0 easy
@Youbig Dummy Floyd ducked Manny for years and waited until he was out of his Prime. It is like ducking for Anderson Sliva when he is out of his Prkme and start losing. Manny was ranked above Floyd in their Primes. th-cam.com/video/fJDTzWRWc34/w-d-xo.html Here is a video proving this.
No it really isnt....he ended up losing to floyd by wide scores.
@@jehdee22 while floyd beat mcgregor who is not a boxer.
@@Alibadbad still i havent seen floyd's ass kiss the canvass...still won more major world titles without losing even if you discount the conor win
Always look forward to another Rummy’s Corner video, I like how unbiased this is, not being so pushy and respecting other people’s opinions.
We could argue that Floyd did lose some fights though and that many boxers went 50-0 but continued fighting and then lost some fights, Chavez went 87-0 and many others did as well.
Agree
We could argue that Pacquiao got sleeped by Marquez. ANd being ambittious wanting to be the President of the Pilipines
Mayweather 50-0 not impressive while cherry picking his opponents except against Pacquiao but in slow motion reviews.. Mayweather vs Pacquiao.. Pacquiao won but lost on judges scores in Vegas - American Mayweather turf.
@@jaycee-reginavlogs8022 it was between 50-0 and 8 division world champ arguement.
@@alexxaurio853 no Floyd beat Pacquiao and no slow motion video will change it 😂..rummy already made fun of that slow motion video bs in this very video 😂..so u must not have watched it 😂😂
People chat like Mayweather ain’t a multi division champ himself 🤦♂️
Rummy has a lot of pactards that flock to his channel...those people dont even know or watch boxing...they just watch Pacquiao and live in denial based on a fake slow motion video
Manny was the lineal champion in "only" 5 divisions.
I rephrase that for you manny have the most lineal titles in boxing history
Just like floyd lost to Castillo and maidana
That is amazing! By the way, I did a video on my channel which analyses how a fighter can beat "The Philly Shell" defence... CHECK IT OUT!
Yup. The only octuple champion and the only lineal quintuple champion. I don't think that will ever be beaten.
4 original divisions, more than ray robinson
Rummy you make incredible boxing videos. I went into this thinking I would only get resume breakdowns of Mayweather and Pacquiao, and came away with so much more knowledge of boxing history and the nuances of the fighters records. So much knowledge, thank you for your videos 🙏🏼
THIS! - thanks for the perspective Rummy. So many people forget the OG legends.
50-0 is easy if you cherry picked your opponents but 8th division is hard cause as you conquer weights you need to fight the strongest on that division!
No you don’t. He didn’t have to fight anywhere near the number 1 fighter every time to become an 8 divisions world champion. It’s why he wasn’t even P4P top 10 until he fought and beat morales at 126.
Who he cherry picked?
@@pandabear1576
WHAT!
Are you trying to claim that Antonio Margarito (a welterweight with 1 fight at Light middleweight) isn’t the greatest light middleweight of all time!
Compare that to Floyd’s light middleweight fight against a 43-0, 23 year old Canelo Alvarez who had made seven defences of the light middleweight title and unified against the unbeaten Austin Trout. It’s clear Floyd cherrypicked and Manny actually fought the greater light middleweight.
@Youbig Dummy at least 2 of them are clear robberies you left that part out.
This is false....Floyd beat 11 hall of famers to Pacquiaos 8. Floyd has a better win percentage amongst common opponents and he beat more ring magazine and bwaa ranked top 10 than Pacquiao.
It isnt just the 0-0 that makes floyd great....its the resume that backs it...nobody has ever retired with 50 or more wins and 0 draws and 0 losses....Pacquiao won major world titles in 6 divisions and minor world titles in 2.
...but that's like saying the Bulffalo Bills have 4 rings in a row because they won 4 afc championships but didnt win a single super bowl....
Pacquiao is one of the greats..top 15 atg but floyd is more of a top 3 to 8and every current and respected list out today have him somewhere in 1 of those spots
That's one of the best breakdowns I've seen and the fact that you really elaborated on it all was excellent. Right on Rummy✌🏾👍🏾
No one gonna beat Floyd's record for beating 23 world champions , including Canelo and Manny
Yea but to Rummys point, that's a product of the times. There's no many belts out there now, everybody is a champion of some sorts.
Mayweather ducked prime pac for years and all the other prime boxers he ducked is crazy plus Castillo beat a prime mayweather picture what any of the fabulous 4 would have done to mayweather saying he could beat any of the fabulous 4 is truly laughable
But who cares? It was mostly alphabet… All that he never unified a title. Never became undisputed. And never fought an undisputed champion lol.
A better record to look at would be who beat the most undisputed champions!
Btw most would say it’s only 22* and Pac already tied that, and Canelo ain’t too far away with a few years in the tank.
@@anthonyanderson9303 exactly. Imagine how many "champions" there would've been in Ray Robinson's time had the multiple governing bodies existed. Ray would've easily had 40+ former titleholders on his list of victims. Chavez would've been high 20s to low 30s himself.
Canelo is only 6 wins away from overtaking Floyd. Its 22 NOT 23. Pep only ever won the IBO belt, which is not considered a legitimate world title by many. Besides Canelo still has some years left so he who knows.
Great stuff, keep it up Rummy.
Gotta love how some people didn’t get the message and still continue pointless arguments.
Did you know there is a guy walking about his flat (apartment in Yankee talk) in London going "THIS, is Rummy's corner, Rummmmmmmyy's Coooorrrnnnneeeerrrrr.." to himself. I don't know why but your intro has lodged itself in my head and won't leave..
..THIS is Rummy's corner, Rummmmmmmyy's Coooorrrnnnneeeerrrrrrrrrrr....
Great unbiased commentary...
Great job sir!
Mayweather v Pacquiao was the last fight I bought on PPV...lol. After that, I just got my entertainment from Rummy's Corner and Wow Lynch Wow!
ill say this in 50 fightsu can choose who ever u want to fight in that 50 fights run, however in 8 division u have no option but to fight who ever is holding the belt regardless how strong and how good the champion on that division is.
It's 49-0 with a few picked cherries in there too. Mayweather was good at boxing in his early years but when he had the idea of going undefeated, he was more of a track star who picked his races according to his opponents lack of stamina and speed rather than fight them in their prime like a real man does.
Exactly correct. it's IV9 - 0 GOAT at Running and Cherry Picking and only fighting in his Vegas Backyard with his own pre-selected paid Vegas judges & his Nanny referee Kenny "BIAS" bayless.
Tyson said it, Floyd is a scared little man !
@@lapulapupintado2892 Floyd is the GROAT ( GREATEST RUNNER OF ALL TIME ) .
@@blazerbanderas 😂😂. Copyright that GROAT man
Rummy's decades of boxing knowledge is incredible. True boxing historian. Pacquiao and Mayweather would have been great in any era, but there are a lot of legends out there. Records don't tell us the competition. For me Roy Jones jr is the one of the most underrated boxers. Weights also matter, Pacquiao moved up to make more money at welterweight, otherwise he would have probably stopped at lightweight.
That was a beautiful and objective assessment. As everyone is entitled to their opinions, not all opinions are equally valid. The proof of that could easily become apparent if both Mayweather and Pacquiao were to each assess the other. I have no doubt that each are very aware of the other's greatness by virtue of the pervasive tenet "know your enemy." Or in this case, your competition. Forming an opinion that's entirely rooted in emotion is essentially willful ignorance and blindness.
Without any emotion involved and based simply on the overall product of both fighters, I can logically and reasonably say Mayweather is the greater of the 2....I have tons of facts and reasoning to back this but 1 point is the fact that when they fought Floyd won almost every round on the cards....manny was leaping off his feet like an amateur at just the beginning of round 2
@@jehdee22 Pacquiao is people's champ, not only of his 8 belt, but his humility and godliness...
God bless Floyd too
@@jehdee22 jeez mehn ya gotta take a chill pill
@@louiscq433 where do u get that I need to take a chill pill? Because i told the other person that i can logically ans reasonably say Mayweather is the greater of the 2..I specifically said I can say it without any emotion yet here you come telling someone to take a chill pill who literally told you they can do something without any emotion 🤣
Yeah young kid, you're the one who should take a chill pill.
There’s no doubt Manny is an 8 division world champion, but there is doubt that Floyd is 50-0, Castillo beat Floyd and got robbed
Tbh I don’t think Manny would of ever beaten Floyd if the fought 10 times
@@jamesgreen8573 Pacquiao is the type of guy that will drastically change to be a better fighter everytime he lose, I think he has a chance
He won the fact list your scorecard biggest boxing myth that has been debunked by max kellerman lol
@@bjuganda7758 floyd is much more versatile and adapts much better than Pacquiao though
@@bjuganda7758 he doesn’t change anything. He has 1 gear, when pressing forward and throwing a lot of punches doesn’t work much for him he looses or gets KO’d
There’s 17 Divisions & 4 Titles now albeit Pacquiao winning World Titles at Flyweight, Featherweight, Lightweight & Welterweight is very impressive Pacquiao is an ATG
Mayweather is not at par with paquiao
Not at par but yet Mayweather 10 - 2ed Pacquiao LoL Manny fans will always be the worst.
@@texasscratchking4568 yeah still from flyweight to welterweight is pretty impressive no? that's 40 pounds difference not to mention Pacman is 5'5 fighting in welterweight impressive no?
Time and time again, Rummy proves himself as a varsity TH-camr. Big hands, that's his advantage. I'll be sure to tell his cousins
That made my day.
RIP Tony 🤣
@@RummysCorner Outstanding video Rummy
Great vid as always Rummy. You could've talked for 20 more minutes and I bet it would have been just as interesting.
One of you best ever videos, thank you for the privilage Rummy!
Who was Mayweather's 50th opponent and what was his boxing record?
The fact that Julio Cesar Chavez had a record of 86 wins 0 losses in his prime means Floyd's 50-0 isn't something new in the boxing world. But Pacquiao's 8 division is something that never done before and THE ONLY ONE in the world, no one ever done that in the history of boxing, end of the debate
Peds foh
Chavez lost 11 rounds to Whitaker way before 86-0
Manny and Floyd will both go down as two of the best ever. There will always be debates on who was better. Just like it is right now with Messi and Ronaldo in football. Manny and Floyd have completely different styles. Obviously Manny's was more fan friendly but Mayweather was just so intelligent in the ring. You have to appreciate both for what they accomplished. Two very special fighters. The end of an era but I am glad I got to see both of them at their peak. Just wish the fight happened earlier. Politics 🤷♂️
Absolute rubbish
Yeah but theres more logic and reason backing floyd as being the greater of the 2 especially since he holds such a blowout win over Pacquiao..
118 110
116 112
116 112
Those are blowout type of scores....I dont see how 2 of the judges gave Pacquiao round 10..that was a pure gift.
@@jehdee22 😂 Someone manny pac fans think he won because of a bias slow motion video made by a Floyd hater that didn’t count many of Floyd’s shots 😂
@@Ali-vl1sc lol I've seen it.. I actually got into a debate with artorias boxing in 1 of his comment sections and owned him with ease....I told him that I, with my own 2 eyes can see him counting punches for Pacquiao that sont land and not counting punches for floyd that do land...his response was that i could see them but refused to admit it and told me to make a video of my own."
I explained to him that he just proved my point in that his video is not factual and is opinionated as anyone can make a video...plus I told him that me making a video or not doesnt change what I clearly see with my own 2 eyes.
You can't be this stupid
Awesome vid mate, was a little worried that to begin with it would be a Money Man and Pacman cover but the depth of fighters discussed was spot on. Love your work Rummy.....
Excellent video rummy. Hello from a down under Pisano
Keep up the good content
Those 50 wins Floyd are far from perfect. 3-4 gift decisions? Come on! PacMan is way ahead of the pack.
50-0 is a false record, Floyd lost several fights and he knows it !
There are some who retire with undefeated record but no one even came close to become an 8 division champion.
With 7 loses, what great can't do that. Roy Jones won at heavy weight!
Manny was a 6 division champion
50-0 is nothing , julio Cesar Chavez 86-0 so 8 division world champ is something better
86-0 against Tijuana cab drivers. If a boxer became a 9 weight world champions winning vacant world titles off of guys with 12 fights. Would Pacquaio be nothing
lmao how many world champions did Chavez beat? Mayweather beat 23
@@elijahebbert6884 LOL
@@bigboris5774 Chavez beat Floyd`s uncle, Roger Mayweather, so he was a cab driver ?
@@bigboris5774 cab driver is better than a robber , Floyed is one of the finest robber in the history of boxing the corruption and paying to judges is the key success of floyed , he lost to pacman, he lost to madiana he also lost to oscar de la hoya so robbery never makes him great he was just a robber with good luck nothing else
Pacquiao was the first boxer to win the lineal championship in five different weight classes, the first boxer to win major world titles in four of the eight "glamour divisions" (flyweight, featherweight, lightweight, and welterweight) and is the only boxer to hold world championships across four decades
50-0 for Floyd because he decided to retire before he gets his first loss. Julio Cesar Chavez was 87-0 before his first loss. Several more had no loss at their 50th fight.
how many world champions did he beat i'll wait
@@mackwitdavortexx Who holds the record for most title fights? Most title fight wins? Most fighters beaten for the title? Most title fight defenses? I’ll wait.
🤔 You can always pick your opponent and get a 50-0 BUT it is more difficult to dethrone a champ or win a championship in *8 different divisions* ... go figure. 😉
take a shot every time Rummy mentions the OLD MONGOOSE😂
Let's keep it real
Jose Luis Castillo vs Mayweather Jr (1) was a robbery !
Mayweather vs Pacquiao was a robbery too.
@@alexxaurio853 nope
Las Vegas. Whoever lives in Vegas gets the win
I don't think you will EVER see another 8 division champion Rummy... It had never been done prior to Pacquiao, and it very unlikely it will ever be done again,... very ,very, VERY unlikely... *: )*
Another Great Video by my boy Rummy. If you don't Love this Channel, just admit you don't Love Boxing. I don't always agree with everything he says (I disagreed with some of his points in this piece) but the content, research, and commentary was exemplary and well thought out. Appreciate your work Bro.
Thank you very much. I appreciate the kind words and support.
Manny's record is more impressive than Floyd's.
Say what you want about 50-0 Floyd was always given the decision with a few debatable. Pacman.got a few really bad decisions against him
Pacquiao got some bs wins too!
This is false
Pacquiao was the fighter you would rather watch.
Sorry your stupid opinion is not a fact. I prefer to watch Mayweather over pac any day
Yet Floyd did much higher viewership and ratings and ppv buys show us this
It wasnt even close
@@jehdee22 Yea hahahha because ppl wants him to lose, that guy doesn't even leave Vegas lmao.
@@xyi898 doesnt matter why...they still watched him more...manny fought 31 times In Vegas while floyd fought in Vegas 24 times.
And it's not the official numbers are even close....more people watched Floyd...doesnt matter if it's to see him lose ..the point is they watched
Here hold this L
The reason why I watch every Rummy's Corner is he always makes incisive analysis with master class analysis. On the 50-0 and the only 8 division champions, I too don't want to take away the accomplishments of both boxers. You have to agree with most comments here that we have been given a tour of the two of the greatest champions in the history of boxing!
Put simply, I respect both champions. I have to also agree with Rummy that it will be many years (or never) that we will see another 8 division champion!
The OG, Archie Moore
One of my favorite boxers ever...
Also thank you for the recognition of the GOATS from back in the day
50-0 is overhyped regardless
I agree even the most world champions is overhyped too. There are so many world champions nowadays and today's boxers arent boxing as much. Even Floyd said there too many belts. There were only three during Mike Tyson and now there are four for each division. there might be five so Floyd record might be beaten soon. Floyd came in the right time at the right place. Floyd lost 8 times in the amateur and the Olympics. he also was called out for ducking in the Pro career. th-cam.com/video/fJDTzWRWc34/w-d-xo.html Here is the video if you dont believe me. Fighting only out of their Prime boxers is not the same as fight all top guys in the Primes is different.
I'm a fan of both and they're two sides of the same coin for me, both legends of the sport.
I don't remember being excited watching Mayweather fight as I was for a Pacquiao fight. It's not how many times you win, it's how you win.
A lot of people _also_ say:
‘2001: A Space Odyssey’-which is one of the Greatest, most awe-inspiring works of Art, in the history of Civilization… is “boring”, and “not exciting”.
A lot of those people would say that ‘Morbius’ is a better Movie, and more “exciting” than ‘2001: A Space Odyssey’.
A lot of people think that *The Beatles* are boring; A lot of people would rather listen to Bruno Mars and Maroon 5-Than *The Beatles.*
@@CipherCerberus You're stacking the deck a bit there, aren't you? An apparently middling superhero movie like Morbius? Why don't you compare 2001 to a genuine action movie classic like say, Terminator 2? If I said that I personally thought Terminator 2 was a better movie than 2001 even though 2001 was arguably greater art, would that be wrong? I don't think so.
First Kubrick and now The Beatles? Are you a Brit or something? I'd rather listen to a lot of other music than The Beatles (not Bruno Mars or Maroon 5 though, ha) and I don't think that means I'm passing up fine art for schlock. I respect their contributions to band music, but there have been many great bands. There have also been many great singers/songwriters besides McCartney and Lennon.
Anyhow, I don't think art should be an excuse for something being less exciting (though I will say that the HAL section in 2001 is definitely not boring as there's some genuine suspense there). Nor should a movie being exciting necessarily be held against it for not being serious enough. Rather, one should give credit to both art AND entertainment.
That's why both Mayweather and Pacquiao can be appreciated for their strengths even if someone thinks Mayweather is boring or that Pacquiao's fighting technique isn't as artful. Who you think was "better" then depends on how you personally decide to weigh their achievements.
You just don’t wanna see black people win.
Top work mate.. only a few channels I subscribe to and yours is one
Great breakdown Rummy. Nice way to tie it all in.
I only know. Mayweather had a marathon in that fight! And he won. Awesome! I interviewed many people after that fight and 95% of the people said that too.
Great and insightful video as always Rummy. Definitely sharing to my group chat. I will say the hold Floyd as the best I've seen. The in ring adjustments night in and night out do it for me
Spot on rummey nuff respect for your opinion 👏
Wonderful stuff. Love the history lessons
50-0 - A lot of em'. Prolly more than 50
8 Divisions - Only Pacquiao
Among all boxing greats, Pacquiao's accomplishment's was the hardest.
Armstrong weight climbing was most impressive. If he could make featherweight during the fight day weigh-in era, imagine how small he was at welterweight
Similar to Pacquiao size?
Pacquiao is the most impressive and practically impossible he moved up 10 weight classes .Skip 2 . .
@@Wanderpupil Armstrong held multiple world titles in boxing when there were 8 divisions and only one belt per division. Plus, Armstrong fought the middleweight title holder for the belt and got a draw (most who saw the fight thought Armstrong was robbed of a victory.) Nowadays there are 4 titles (plus the lineal champion which sometimes holds no titles) per weight class and 17 weight classes. Pacquiao’s record is definitely impressive, but if current trends continue, then there will be even more belts and weight classes in the future, which likely means we will be getting another 8-division champ sometime into the future.
Manny was better. He fought everwhere anyone.
@Youbig Dummy th-cam.com/video/fJDTzWRWc34/w-d-xo.html Floyd ducked Manny. why duck him until he was out of his Prime if he feels like he can beat him. It is like ducking Ali in his Prime and only fought him after he is over the hill. fighting Prime Ali and fight Over the hill Ali is completely different.
Love you rummy! Just the best, open-minded, unbiased and knowledgeable insight into boxing.
One of the only boxing channels I still watch.
Cheers buddy...you always make me smile.
"the fact that they were great enabled them to achieve these things" gold