the famous Calculus proof of the Pythagorean theorem.

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  • @luizmenezes9971
    @luizmenezes9971 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +197

    I had a terrible maths teacher back in highschool, that whenever I solved a problem using a non-standard approach, she said that I was killing an ant with an RPG shot.
    I hated that witch.
    That being said, using diff eqs to prove Pythagoras is killing an ant with an RPG.

    • @lucasdeoliveira5316
      @lucasdeoliveira5316 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      He used to have a whole series dedicated to killing ants with RPG shots. It was appropriately called Overkill. I miss that series.

    • @atzuras
      @atzuras 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      sorry that's more like blasting a dead ant with a nuke.

    • @andersdahlner1052
      @andersdahlner1052 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Had a teacher who said I cheated when I did fractions in the head. Lost my interest in school when I was 10-11 years.

    • @gibbogle
      @gibbogle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's true that there are much nicer geometric proofs of Pythagoras that don't need any mathematics.

    • @Cyrus72
      @Cyrus72 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If I were a teacher, I would give extra points for creative solutions.

  • @Phi1618033
    @Phi1618033 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I always thought it was weird when mathematicians called mathematical proofs "beautiful" but now I get it.

  • @Miyamoto_345
    @Miyamoto_345 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I like how instead of simplifying tricky things, he complicates the most generic and simplest of things 😂

    • @deependrasinghis_ronaldo
      @deependrasinghis_ronaldo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      sure, looks like emphasizing certain reasoning/discussion and downplaying little stuffs.. will help make even better videos.
      michael seems to treat every step with same significance and importance (at least in his voice tone and time given to it)... which probably isn't the best thing for a new math learner.

  • @tolberthobson2610
    @tolberthobson2610 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    VERY Interesting proof. I've never actually seen an analytical proof of the Pythagorean theorem I was just always told draw 2 squares from the legs of the right triangle and observe their areas add to the area of a square drawn from the hypotenuse of the right triangle. So very cool to see this

  • @digxx
    @digxx 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    I think the step DE -> y(x+dx) - y(x) needs a bit more love. For the proof to work you would have to show that DE = y(x+dx) - y(x) + O(dx^2).

    • @gabrielbarrantes6946
      @gabrielbarrantes6946 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Yeah, this argument is what a physics would do, but a mathematician would do better calculations...

  • @TedHopp
    @TedHopp 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    My favorite proofs are based on similar triangles. Let the triangle be ABC with opposing side lengths a, b, c, with c the hypotenuse. Drop a perpendicular from the right angle vertex C to the hypotenuse AB. Label the point of intersection D. Then triangles ABC, ACD, and CBD are all similar.
    From here, we can construct two proofs. The first uses the fact that areas of similar triangles are proportional to the squares of corresponding sides. Call the area of ACD x and the area of CBD y. Then the area of ABC is x+y. The areas are in proportion x:y:x+y and the hypotenuses are in proportion a^2:b^2:c^2, which is the Pythagorean theorem.
    The second proof uses the property that corresponding sides of similar triangles are in equal ratio. From △ABC ~ △ACD, we have that AD/AC = AC/AB, or AC^2 = AB × AD. From △ABC ~ △CBD, we have that BD/BC = BC/AB, or BC^2 = AB × BD. Adding these two equations, we have that AC^2 + BC^2 = AB × (AD + BD). But since AD + BD = AB, we end up with AC^2 + BC^2 = AB^2.

  • @erwinmulder1338
    @erwinmulder1338 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    My favorite i s the geometrical one where you have a big square that is cut twice perpendicular to the sides, so that you end up with four parts where two of them are squares (A and B) and two are identical rectangles.The rectangles are then cut diagonally to create four identical right angled triangles. If you put the right angles of those triangles in the corners of the original square, they will leave a square shaped hole 'C' in the center with the sides made up by the hypotenuses of the triangles. Since the four triangles plus the newly formed square hole fill up the same square as the one when they were combined with squares A and B, the total area of C has to be the same as A + B.

    • @flamencoprof
      @flamencoprof 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Using an opened by letter-knife typical mail envelope which has sides of length 1 and 2, you can prove Pythagoras' Theorem simply by folding. It is akin to what you have said. You start with two 1 x 1 squares, and end up with one root 2 by root 2 square.

    • @jakubfrei3757
      @jakubfrei3757 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yeah, its nice and simple proof, unlike this insanity

    • @ouwebrood497
      @ouwebrood497 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Still my favorite proof, because it's so simple an elegant.

    • @gholler1
      @gholler1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jakubfrei3757 I prefer the geometric proof too but this proof is illustrative, in an easy to understand geometric context, of how applied mathematics (physic, biology, finance...) can transform a real world problem into a differential equation to be solved by reasoning with small increments and limits

    • @El0melette
      @El0melette 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think that proof came from Euclid

  • @butch2kow549
    @butch2kow549 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

    There was a book written in the 40's and published by I believe the NCTM that had a lot of proofs of this theorem.

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A lot? Wjat is a lot ? I'm not sure I can see more than. Afeq waus to prove this?

    • @ojas3464
      @ojas3464 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Loomis gives over 300 Proofs of Pythagorean Theorem. Assuming it had been around for over 3K years, would average an additional proof every decade

    • @sethkingman2118
      @sethkingman2118 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@leif1075dunno about the book but there are likely hundreds. Check the Wikipedia page for the theorem to get an idea of the scope.

  • @talinuva
    @talinuva 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Starting with a triangle ABC which has a right angle at B, construct the altitude from B to a point D on AC.
    Given that both new triangles ADB and CDB share an angle with ABC, in addition to a right angle, we have that all three triangles are similar.
    By similarity, |AD|/|AB|=|AB|/|AC| and |CD|/|BC|=|BC|/|AC|.
    Clearing denominators gives us |AD|*|AC|=|AB|² and |CD|*|AC|=|BC|²
    Adding the two results in (|AD|+|DC|)*|AC|=|AB|²+|BC|² which, since D is between A and C, gives the Pythagorean Theorem

  • @shaiavraham2910
    @shaiavraham2910 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    My favorite proof uses dimensional analysis, that is “checking the units” (I am a physics and math student):
    We have a right triangle with sides a and b, and hypotenuse c, and an acute angle theta. We know that a right triangle is completely and uniquely specified by its hypotenuse c and its acute angle theta. Therefore, the area a right triangle is a function of the hypotenuse and the acute angle: A(c, theta).
    c has dimension of length, [L], theta is dimensionless, and area has dimension of length squared, [L^2]. Therefore, by dimensional analysis, the area has to be proportional to c^2, and it’s dependence on theta is arbitrary: A(c, theta) = f(theta) * c^2. The important thing is that it’s the same function f(theta) for every right triangle.
    Now from the vertex of the right angle, draw a perpendicular to the hypotenuse, creating three similar right triangles with the angle theta (two small triangles and the original triangle). The area of the original triangle is A(c, theta). For the two smaller triangles, note that their hypotenuses are a and b, and therefore their areas are A(a, theta) and A(b, theta). The sum of these areas equals the area of the original triangle, which gives us the equation:
    A(a, theta) + A(b, theta) = A(c, theta)
    f(theta) * a^2 + f(theta) * b^2 = f(theta) * c^2
    a^2 + b^2 = c^2
    which is the Pythagorean theorem.
    I really like this proof since it’s extremely simple, elegant and can be taught to any kid who knows that length is measured in meters and area is measured in meter squared. This proof essentially says that the fact that area is measured as squared length forces the Pythagorean theorem to be true.

    • @sergiogiudici6976
      @sergiogiudici6976 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I am a Physicist too and I know we love dimensional analysis. It Is 90% of our everyday job.

    • @shaiavraham2910
      @shaiavraham2910 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@sergiogiudici6976 I had a test in Wave Mechanics, and I knew nothing about the material. For the entire time of the test, I am just saying to myself: “My answer has units of energy, so I’ll just leave it like this, and pretend it works”. I was shocked to find out I got a 3 digit grade.

  • @user-go5ri2yg5f
    @user-go5ri2yg5f 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Next: Let's prove 1+1=2 using the Riemann zeta function 😂

  • @the_informative_edge
    @the_informative_edge 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Sir your every segment is mind blowing..

  • @multipontushd4626
    @multipontushd4626 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I like this channel - it reminds me of my two years of university math courses actually almost three (majored in CS). Also would like to say that there are some 80s vibes over his videos dunno why...

  • @empajerek4193
    @empajerek4193 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you professor!

  • @PedroAssumpcao-on6db
    @PedroAssumpcao-on6db 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I liked how the proof manages to use only bits of calculus that don`t themselves require the pythagorean theorem. Very neat

  • @MrSimmies
    @MrSimmies 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Very cool Michael. Math is awesome.

  • @alikaperdue
    @alikaperdue 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Given triangle of sides a:b:c, where a

  • @herghamoo3242
    @herghamoo3242 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think my favorite proof of the Pythagorean theorem is that it follows trivially from Ptolemy's theorem (in my opinion one of the coolest results from ancient mathematics).

  • @emanuellandeholm5657
    @emanuellandeholm5657 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love the chalk marks on Penn's shirt. So on brand!

  • @beneditoalmeidacalvalcante2399
    @beneditoalmeidacalvalcante2399 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Parabéns, grande professor Michael! As suas aulas são um show. A sua contribuição, sem dúvida alguma, é de grande valia para quem gosta de matemática como eu dezenas de milhões mundo afora.

  • @SevenThunderful
    @SevenThunderful 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So the Pythagorean theorem doesn't necessarily hold in this form in non-Euclidean geometries. This suggests that there is some subtle flaw in this proof. I think in general the angles of a triangle won't sum to pi, and perhaps even the tangent to "circles" don't form necessarily right angles.

    • @arnouth5260
      @arnouth5260 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      In non-euclidean geometries the angles of a triangle don’t sum to 180°, which is used in the proof.

    • @andrewkarsten5268
      @andrewkarsten5268 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes that is right, the sum of the angles of triangles is not pi in noneuclidean geometry, and actually how far away the sum is from pi depends on how large the triangle is and the curvature of the space it lives in.

  • @alexbennie
    @alexbennie 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dude! The quality of your chalk!
    That's no cheap chalk! 8:41 , I've never used red chalk that made such vivid colour.
    Also
    Very cool application of Geometry and Limits. First time seeing it used like this!
    Could anyone point me in a direction of where an accessible entry hole is for this rabbit hole?

  • @donach9
    @donach9 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd be interested to see you explore the recent "trig-less" proof involving the limit of a series of similar triangles, that those two schoolgirls came up with, recently

  • @Mrpallekuling
    @Mrpallekuling 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I can't help thinking about how Pythagoras, Archimedes, and their contemporaries would react if they were presented with this.
    Would they accept or reject the proof?

    • @davidcroft95
      @davidcroft95 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Probably reject, they had no idea of infinitesimals (look the Zeno's Paradoxes)

    • @sturlabingen2471
      @sturlabingen2471 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Iirc Archimedes did use calculus like thinking to arrive at results but at the time they were not accepted as rigouros enough so he also created purely geometric proofs@@davidcroft95

    • @munchkinhut
      @munchkinhut 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hell no! (in that they would reject the proof) They would understand that the proof is based on the assumption that pythagorean theorem exists in the first place. (Classic Euclid) Archimedes would have enclosed the possibilities into a trap that only one can survive in. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!! Drawn it out on sand and get killed by some a cretin whose race wouldn't figure it out for another 1000 years. The Pythagoreans would all eat a salad and kill anyone that mentioned it.

    • @iabervon
      @iabervon 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @@davidcroft95 I think Archimedes would have been okay with infinitesimals in the geometry (based on his method of deriving the volume of a sphere), but all of the symbol manipulation would have been outside of the mathematics whose validity they would have any idea how to judge. Their only notion of variables was the measures of parts of a diagram, so expressing and solving that differential equation would be a major conceptual leap, along with a large number of theorems they didn't know.

    • @gibbogle
      @gibbogle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Since they had no knowledge of calculus they would have been baffled.

  • @BlackEyedGhost0
    @BlackEyedGhost0 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My favorite proof of the Pythagorean Theorem is just repeated skewing of parallelograms, because it preserves area. What I'd be interested in seeing though is a proof of the hyperbolic equivalent of the pythagorean theorem in something like Minkowski space, where you have Δt²-Δx² = Δτ² because of the +--- metric.

  • @dominikraith1555
    @dominikraith1555 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    At 9:50 I think your reasoning was wrong. Using the same kind of argument you could say: as x approaches zero 2x appeoaches x, therefore lim(2x/x)=lim(x/x)

  • @worldnotworld
    @worldnotworld 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic proof. Who originated it?

  • @MagnusHallenstal
    @MagnusHallenstal 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the only one I could think of was: consider triangle ABC, where B has the right angle. set point P on AC so that the line PB is perpendicular to AC. due to same angles, triangles ABC, ABP, and BCP are similar. this mean that:
    AB/AP=AC/AB; BC/PC=AC/BC --> AB^2=AC*AP ; BC^2=AC*PC. adding the last 2 equations gives AB^2+BC^2=AC(AP,+PC)
    but AP+PC=AC and thus AB^2+BC^2=AC^2.

  • @gp-ht7ug
    @gp-ht7ug 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is my favorite proof♥️

  • @The_Green_Man_OAP
    @The_Green_Man_OAP 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Try this:
    a²+b²=(a+b)²-2ab
    Consider: c²+2ab
    Factoring:
    c²(1+2(a/c)(b/c))=c²(1+2sinAcosA)
    The value 2ab/c² is the double angle
    trig ratio sin2A, (see ‡ at the bottom)
    Consider: (a+b)²/c²
    This is equivalent: (sinA+cosA)²
    Expanding out: sin²A+cos²A+2sinAcosA
    Subs for 2sinAcosA & due to “†” & “‡” (bottom), this is: 1+sin2A.
    From “1”, have: c²+2ab=c²(1+sin2A)
    From “2”, have: (a+b)²/c²=1+sin2A.
    Therefore:
    c²=(c²+2ab)/(1+sin2A)=(c²+2ab)/(a+b)²/c²
    Multiplying by (a+b)²/c² on both sides:
    (a+b)²=c²+2ab => (a+b)²-2ab=a²+b²=c²
    …QED 😊.
    (†)From the compound angle formulas(‡)
    for sin & cos, you get double angle formulas for those, and from cos2A you get:
    1-2sin²A=2cos²A-1=cos2A
    => 2=2(cos²A+sin²A)
    Therefore: 1=(cos²A+sin²A)
    (‡)Proof in this video:
    “Angle sum identities for sine and cosine” by blackpenredpen

  • @paulg444
    @paulg444 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I had a few ancient proofs but for the students I teach.. this is one for the ages !

  • @kuick6814
    @kuick6814 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    honestly, my favorite would probably be the classic scalar product approach. not only does it prove the pythagorean theorem for vectors, but also for ANY vector space with a positive definite scalar product, which i think is pretty nifty.

  • @nur-fueru-tube6174
    @nur-fueru-tube6174 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This deserves a Field medal

  • @chemsdinesidha5254
    @chemsdinesidha5254 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow! Fascinating ...

  • @trueriver1950
    @trueriver1950 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Place F on AE such that angle ACF is a right angle. (F is then close to D). Then the small triangle DCE is clearly similar to the original triangle for any angle, not just in the limit.
    That to me feels like a more rigourous set up, and we can do the same argument from that point, as in the limit F and D are the same.

    • @yannld9524
      @yannld9524 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You meant "FCE is clearly similar" ? This is wrong because the angle at F is not right

  • @danielschwartz6795
    @danielschwartz6795 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As soon as you have "similar triangles exist" the Pythagorean theorem follows immediately.

  • @QuantumHistorian
    @QuantumHistorian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Taking DE -> y(x+dx) - y(x) in the limit that dx->0 is a bit strange to me, because in that limit we also have that y(x+dx) -> y(x), so this just seems like a complicated way of saying DE -> 0.

    • @erikb.celsing4496
      @erikb.celsing4496 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      y(x+dx)-y(x) always approaches 0 no matter what kind of (nice) function y is. It’s is the quotient that does not

    • @chasebender7473
      @chasebender7473 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That is only true when y is a continuous function, which was never proved

    • @perappelgren948
      @perappelgren948 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agree, formally Δx is already bound by the limit taking, so it’s no more available for usage in the RHS. But that is not Michael’s point here, what he is really saying is that higher order terms vanish.

  • @JamesLewis2
    @JamesLewis2 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When I clicked on this video, I expected the more recent proof found by a couple of college students a couple of years ago that relies on infinite series and works only for non-isosceles right triangles:
    Let the length of the larger leg be a and of the smaller leg be b; then on the leg of length b, construct a similar right triangle in which the longer leg has length b, and extend the hypotenuses of both triangles until they intersect (this is why the legs cannot have the same length), and keep drawing line segments perpendicular to the previous one, marking off similar right triangles infinitely often.
    Then, looking at the next right triangle, its longer leg has length b=a*(b/a) and its shorter leg has length b²/a=b*(b/a); from this, the nth triangle after the first has legs of length a*(b/a)^n and b*(b/a)^n and area ½ab*(b/a)^(2n), from which the whole collection of right triangles has area ½ab/(1−(b/a)²)=½ba³/(a²−b²).
    If the hypotenuse of the original right triangle has length c, then the hypotenuse of the next one has length cb/a and the extension of that original hypotenuse, as a leg of the larger triangle, has length c/(1−(b/a)²)=ca²/(a²−b²), while the extension of that next hypotenuse has length abc/(a²−b²); the triangle formed by dropping a line segment from the vertex between the sides of lengths c and a perpendicular to the other "extended hypotenuse" is also similar to the original right triangle…and I'm honestly not sure about how the proof goes from there, but you're supposed to add the area of this to the area of the whole collection and equate this to the area of a larger right triangle that contains all of the others, and after a bunch of cancellations, the end result should be c²=a²+b², but I kept making some sort of mistake while finishing it up.

  • @cariboubearmalachy1174
    @cariboubearmalachy1174 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice result, but there's a bit if hand waving there when you assume that the differences between the two triangles are infinitessimal when you approach the limit.

  • @flamencoprof
    @flamencoprof 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Using an opened by letter-knife typical mail envelope which has sides of length 1 and 2, you can prove Pythagoras' Theorem simply by folding.

  • @atanurakshit6684
    @atanurakshit6684 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent. 👍

  • @BuleriaChk
    @BuleriaChk 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    c=a+b
    c^2 = (a+b)^2 = [a^2 + b^2] + [2ab] (binomial expansion)
    c^2 a^2+b^2
    The "proof" in the video is only valid in the imagination.
    (Pythagoras was also confused).

  • @goodplacetostop2973
    @goodplacetostop2973 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    13:58

  • @udic01
    @udic01 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The radius intersects de and not ad.

  • @tcmxiyw
    @tcmxiyw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The limit definition of the derivative of y is the limit of the difference quotients, IF that limit exists. You should justify the limit’s existence before saying it is y’.

    • @divisix024
      @divisix024 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He already found it to be x/y beforehand, which a fortiori shows the existence.

    • @tcmxiyw
      @tcmxiyw 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@divisix024 I agree with you. Michael is an excellent expositor of mathematics, in no small part because he always verifies the hypotheses of a theorem before he applies it. I intended by my comment, which is as a minor critique at most, not to say that he hadn’t shown it, but that observing all the conditions of the definition were met before it is used illustrates how to correctly use definitions. I should have stated that thought more clearly.

  • @neilbellinson5292
    @neilbellinson5292 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No comment regarding the left-hand derivative of y(x)?

    • @d4slaimless
      @d4slaimless 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean?

    • @neilbellinson5292
      @neilbellinson5292 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@d4slaimless A derivative, as a Newton quotient, is a limit as delta x goes to zero not just as delta x goes to zero from the right.

  • @algolin
    @algolin 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This how a physicist would prove the Pythagorean theorem.

  • @Alliban59
    @Alliban59 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would have solved the DEQ by integrating y*dy=x*dx. Since the integration gives rise to a constant, the initial condition y(0)=a is incorporated by setting x=0.

    • @andrewkarsten5268
      @andrewkarsten5268 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That’s what he did but without introducing unnecessary constants of integration that need to be solved later. Using definite integrals when you can during DE solving is always better as a practice

  • @lifeforever1665
    @lifeforever1665 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ✨✨ AWESOME ✨✨
    Defn of Calculus..... Maths in Motion ...

  • @lorenzovittori7853
    @lorenzovittori7853 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    How can you prove that y is C1?

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And what is C1? Am I missing something?

    • @user-nm5ge9ht3c
      @user-nm5ge9ht3c 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@xinpingdonohoe3978 A function being C1 means that it is continuous, differentiable and its derivative is continuous

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-nm5ge9ht3c oh, that's what he was referring to.

  • @cariboubearmalachy1174
    @cariboubearmalachy1174 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The best proof of Pythagoras is the oldest proof. It uses constructed squares and is the first one given in Wikipedia. I believe the Chinese were using this at the time of Euclid.

    • @Michael-ch8hq
      @Michael-ch8hq 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I believe euclid was using it at the time of the Chinese

  • @selimakar7201
    @selimakar7201 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Was that differential equation solution necessary, if I were him (which I'm obviously not) I would have written dy/dx instead of y' and then cross multiplication and taken integral of both sides, I am just wondering.,

    • @0Coeus
      @0Coeus 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thats essentially what he did. He just wrote it down somewhat more rigorously. The method you described is still a method for solving a differential equation :)

    • @BenfanichAbderrahmane
      @BenfanichAbderrahmane 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      dy/dx is not a fraction 😃

    • @d4slaimless
      @d4slaimless 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      selimakar7201, what you suggest is called "abusing the notation". So Mr. Penn just solved it rigorously.

    • @ojas3464
      @ojas3464 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      yy' = x can be rewritten in Leibnitz notation ½d(y²) = ½d(x²)

    • @ianfowler9340
      @ianfowler9340 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BenfanichAbderrahmane Ahh, but it does behave like a fraction (for multiplying and dividing only) because
      "diff of y = f ' (x) * diff of x"
      where diff of x is defined to be: delta x. And then, diff of y is defined to be:
      dy =f '(x)*delta x = f '(x)dx
      Therefore in the end: "dy by dx" = diff of y / diff of x
      That's why separation of variables works the way it does.
      BTW there is no requirement that diff of x be inf. small and the dame for diff. of y. The key is the their ratio will always be the slope of the tangent.
      It's the way we define dx and dy that allows dy divided by dx to dy by dx

  • @johnvandenberg8883
    @johnvandenberg8883 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    ydy-xdx = 0 implies d(y^2-x^2) = 0, so y^2-x^2 = cst = a^2 since y)0)=a

  • @Anonymous-zp4hb
    @Anonymous-zp4hb 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is this argument circular? (pun very much intended)
    (d/dt) (sin(t)^2 + cos(t)^2)
    = 2sin(t)cos(t) - 2sin(t)cos(t)
    = 0
    So for all t, sin(t)^2 + cos(t)^2 = sin(0)^2 + cos(0)^2 = 1
    and therefore, Pythagoras.

  • @Happy_Abe
    @Happy_Abe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Why isn’t the limit of y(x+delta x)-y(x) just 0?

    • @gamesandthoughts2388
      @gamesandthoughts2388 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If delta(x) -> 0, and y(x) is a continuos function then you are right, it is zero.

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gamesandthoughts2388so length of DE should be approaching 0

    • @gibbogle
      @gibbogle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Of course it is. We have in the limit 0/0, the value of that limit depending on how both 0s are approached. This is fundamental calculus.

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gibbogle okay good, I thought Michael was saying something else, thanks

    • @Yougottacryforthis
      @Yougottacryforthis 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Happy_Abeit's only zero if y(x) is continous

  • @trueriver1950
    @trueriver1950 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You seem to be saying that the two hypotenuses are parallel in the limit. For some reason that does not suit well with me...

    • @RandyKing314
      @RandyKing314 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      methinks the twain shall be one

  • @wabc2336
    @wabc2336 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    12:40 Bro really wrote out a whole "u substitution" just for u = y.
    It's simple, cancel the dt. You have Integral y dy.

  • @Dr.Pepper001
    @Dr.Pepper001 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used to understand this shit in college.

  • @paulkohl9267
    @paulkohl9267 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pedagogically the t substitution in the integral is problematic, no? In the integral the t is a dummy variable and could have been any variable name. I worry though that the video presentation is meant to make it look like some obvious choice was made given the equations presented thus far. The obvious choice then would be "y dy" instead if "t dt", based on the chain rule.

  • @jacemandt
    @jacemandt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The argument about the tangent line creating a right angle seems unnecessary, unless I'm missing something.
    Triangle CDE is similar to triangle ABE because they share angle E, and they both contain a right angle. Then as dx-->0, triangle ABE becomes arbitrarily close to triangle ABC, so in the limit, that's also similar to CDE.
    But...I probably am missing something...

    • @gibbogle
      @gibbogle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's necessary to use the fact that only in the limit is CDE a right angle.

    • @jacemandt
      @jacemandt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gibbogle angle CDE is constructed to be a right angle to begin with, though.

    • @gibbogle
      @gibbogle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@jacemandt Sorry, you are right, CDE is a right angle by construction. ACD approaches a right angle as dx ->0.

  • @ronleblanc1094
    @ronleblanc1094 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A nine inch pizza and a twelve inch pizza have as much food as a fifteen inch pizza

  • @godfreypigott
    @godfreypigott 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why complicate the solution of the differential equation? Why not just separate variables and integrate y dy = x dx ?

    • @andrewkarsten5268
      @andrewkarsten5268 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s not complicating it, it’s treating it with the proper rigor. In general, when solving DE, it’s always better to use bounds of integration when possible.

    • @godfreypigott
      @godfreypigott 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andrewkarsten5268 Perhaps you'd care to explain *WHY* separation of variables is not rigorous. What is lost in doing it that way? What are the potential pitfalls?
      With regard to your second sentence:
      (1) *WHY* is it "always better"? By what metric are you measuring "better"? I suspect your interpretation of "better" is "it looks slicker".
      (2) In any case, why do you believe separation of variables doesn't allow you to involve bounds?

    • @andrewkarsten5268
      @andrewkarsten5268 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@godfreypigott the formal rigorous definition of the antiderivative is that F(x) is an antiderivative of f(x) if F(x)=\int_a^x f(t) dt for some constant a. Also, when solving a DE, just throwing up a ∫ symbol on each side, while visually pleasing and somewhat useful for problem solving, is not a rigorous approach for a proof. To actually do things rigorous enough for a proof, you are supposed to integrate both sides with respect to the same variable, be it definite or indefinite integrals. While your approach is the correct “symbol pushing” approach as my old professor would call it, and is extremely useful for getting your hands on a solution to a new problem, when writing a proper proof it is not rigorous enough. Sorry 🤷‍♂️

    • @godfreypigott
      @godfreypigott 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@andrewkarsten5268 You keep using the term 'rigorous' without explaining *WHY* SOV is not rigorous. That is, what is lost by using SOV.
      If you really want to be fully rigorous then surely you should be going back to integration by first principles. If not, where do you arbitrarily draw the line?
      The answer of course is that you draw the line at the point where overgeneralisation could lead to unforeseen complications. But even that issue can be addressed by properly considering special cases.
      So tell me, what complications could potentially arise by using SOV instead of the method presented here? Alternatively, what special cases does SOV not handle in relation to this problem? These should be the only criteria for labelling a method as non-rigorous, otherwise "rigour" is being used unthinkingly only as a means of asserting superiority without justification.

    • @andrewkarsten5268
      @andrewkarsten5268 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@godfreypigott it seems you didn’t read my response. I used the formal definition of the antiderivative, which are definite integrals. I also explained when integrating, you need to integrate with respect to the same variable on both sides. SOV you just throw up a ∫ on both sides but are integrating with respect to different variable on each side.
      SOV is a good and useful symbol pushing approach to get your hands on a tangible solution, but it is not sufficient for a proof. Also, if you pay close enough attention, you’ll see that doing it the proper way with a u substitution gives the same overall solution. When working a problem to find a solution, SOV is fine. When writing a proper proof, you need to use what I have listed above. Read this comment completely before responding again.

  • @michellauzon4640
    @michellauzon4640 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We don't need the circle, CDE will always be similar to ABC

  • @Greebstreebling
    @Greebstreebling 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was doing really well until it got to the integration part. I'll come back to it, just in case I meet Pythagoras in any afterlife :) :)

  • @hhlavacs
    @hhlavacs 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Nice

  • @leif1075
    @leif1075 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't yiu solve without drawing the little right triangle at the top? A lit of ppl might not think of that

  • @bradhoward
    @bradhoward 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you just have a hundred TAs running frantically behind the camera shaking that that won’t draw a nice triangle?!?!?😂😂😂

  • @Dan-cw8xu
    @Dan-cw8xu 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm having a bit of a problem with this proof. It's kind of "high level," but the idea is what would have to change here if we weren't doing this on a plane? The answer is the triangles ABC and CDE: we would not be able to say that they are similar in the limit if we were, say, doing this on the surface of a sphere. I am not certain, but I'm getting the idea that because we are using the similarity argument, we are forcing the Pythagorean Theorem: ie. we are assuming the result that we are trying to prove. I may be wrong. I'll have to think about it some more.

    • @xinpingdonohoe3978
      @xinpingdonohoe3978 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      If we weren't on a plane, these wouldn't be planar triangles, so what would we even be doing?

    • @minamagdy4126
      @minamagdy4126 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      The Pythagorean theorem does rely on the parallel postulate, so talking about it applying to non-planar triangles makes no sense. The proof here doesn't overstep the bounds of Euclidean geometry, so it's fine.

    • @williamthomsomkelvin1765
      @williamthomsomkelvin1765 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Pythogorean Theorem is a result valid only in 2-dimensional Euclidean Geometry

    • @TheEternalVortex42
      @TheEternalVortex42 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      The Pythagorean Theorem is equivalent to being on a plane. Indeed that's an assumption of every proof of it lol

    • @zh84
      @zh84 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I saw from the start that the proof is only valid in Euclidean geometry: in non-Euclidean planes there are no such things as similar triangles (which is an alternative form of the parallel postulate.) However, the Pythagorean theorem is only valid in the Euclidean plane anyway, so this isn't a problem.

  • @ronaldjorgensen6839
    @ronaldjorgensen6839 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thaNK YOU REVIEW CAN NOT KEEP ALL FRESH

  • @GicaKontraglobalismului
    @GicaKontraglobalismului 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Ο Μάικλ Πεν είναι ο καλύτερος! This is exactly what Isaac Newton would had done! This is the conclusive proof that Mathematics is definitely better than sex!

    • @gibbogle
      @gibbogle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I doubt that Newton ever had sex with another person, so he no doubt would have agreed.

  • @johnnolen8338
    @johnnolen8338 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I like Garfield's proof.

  • @dominiquelaurain6427
    @dominiquelaurain6427 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My preferred proof is Perigal's dissection.

    • @charlesbrowne9590
      @charlesbrowne9590 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I googled ‘Perigal’ and, yes, that is a pretty proof. Thx.

    • @d4slaimless
      @d4slaimless 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think I like this one as well. Especially since it is the one from infinite family of proofs.

  • @thegreatestdemon1288
    @thegreatestdemon1288 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pythagoras is actually invented by famous hindu mathematician "buddhayan", he gave Taylor series too but christian missionaries stole his works

  • @ojas3464
    @ojas3464 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍

  • @roberttelarket4934
    @roberttelarket4934 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The famous . . . presented by the infamous Mike Penn.

  • @philippemts88
    @philippemts88 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interesting but I think there are way more simpler and intuitive ways to prove the theorem.

  • @gibbogle
    @gibbogle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    After y.y' = x, why not just observe that the derivative of y^2 is 2y.y', giving
    y^2 = x^2 + c?

    • @robertpearce8394
      @robertpearce8394 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He did state that he was using the rigorous definition of anti-derivative.

  • @AnishSarkarISIDelhi
    @AnishSarkarISIDelhi 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Too much of hand waiving argument for my taste. In the limit, the triangle in question becomes a point. A proper estimate (upper bound and lower bound) should have been the way.

  • @user-rp6yq5rw3r
    @user-rp6yq5rw3r 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Opop

  • @15121960100
    @15121960100 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The proof is based on calculus which is based on pythagorus theorem . Isn't it meaningless

  • @nathanielsilver6752
    @nathanielsilver6752 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Similarity, alone, can be used to prove Pythagoras. So, your proof is an unnecessary exercise.

  • @ValidatingUsername
    @ValidatingUsername 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I am an economic hostage.

  • @Noam_.Menashe
    @Noam_.Menashe 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I kind of feels to me that using a circle and tangents is a bit of cheating, but I'm not certain if it is.

    • @OuroborosVengeance
      @OuroborosVengeance 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is not. Its bas>c geometry: you can always make a circle out of a point and a lenght/radius

    • @OuroborosVengeance
      @OuroborosVengeance 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And the similarity of the small triangle to the original one holds even without using limits

    • @jacemandt
      @jacemandt 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@OuroborosVengeance Hmmmm, without limits, I think the small triangle is similar to ABE, not ABC

  • @Umbra451
    @Umbra451 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I’m sad to announce that the angle ABC is sadly a convex angle at 270 degrees. CBA on the other hand is a right angle.

    • @OuroborosVengeance
      @OuroborosVengeance 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Not true. You declare the orientation when you write the symbol for internal angle.

    • @Umbra451
      @Umbra451 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@OuroborosVengeance yes, actually true.

  • @fredbassali8425
    @fredbassali8425 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The provided proof is “circular reasoning,” as it uses trigonometry (which is a result of the Pythagorean theorem

    • @mathematicskid
      @mathematicskid 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It does not use trigonometry. It uses calculus, which is not trigonometry.

    • @donach9
      @donach9 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where exactly was the trigonometry? I see no sin or cos or any length squared until we use the power rule for integration

    • @mathematicskid
      @mathematicskid 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@donach9 It does not use trigonometry.

  • @yannld9524
    @yannld9524 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    You can't really call that a proof

    • @donach9
      @donach9 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Why not?

  • @mysticmouse7261
    @mysticmouse7261 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is famous? He loses me as soon as he constructs the blue ' perturbation'. What's the point?