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It's a good looking late 20th century warship, but it's not modern anymore. The design is really dated by the 2020s and is in urgent need for replacement by the type 26 and 31.
@@moss550 "Modern", as opposed to age of sail, or World War(s) era (pre missile age). Nobody is claiming the ships aren't getting long in the tooth, stop trying to be pedantic.
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I served for 3 years on HMS Iron Duke..the poor ships and crew never got any rest and recuperation as we were always away on Deployment or exercise mostly submarine hunting/ASW operations.
. Mate you'd probably do 1 x 6 month tour....and then you'd probably have time at home afterwards as an Army unit and you'd probably be unlucky if you deployed again for a few years. In the Navy you'd be lucky to get a couple of weeks in the ships baseport over each year and quite a lot of sailors who live up North get little to no chance of getting home. I respect the Army and Airforce deploy too but I can guarantee it won't be as much as the Navy. There's no nipping home for your dinner in the Navy.
Great video, I love the Type 23. But you made a mistake here; Chilean frigates do NOT have the original radar set, these were replaced by Hendsolt TRS-4D radars,new IFF systems, sea ceptor, new modernized command and control room from Lockheed Canada (CMS 330), and at least one, maybe two, have received new towed-array sonars. By far the most capable frigates in South America.
Great video, nicely edited. At 5.30 you said it was the first western ship with VLS. Didn't the USS Bunker Hill, the first US ship with VLS enter service before the first Type 23?
A number of these ships were built at swan hunters and the final ship ever launched at the wallsend shipyard was hms Richmond, built on time and to budget with the smallest number of defects ever in a royal navy ship yet this didn't stop the political closure of one of the world's finest shipyards, RIP SWAN HUNTERS
chilean t23s have the hensolt trs4d radar, equivalent to the new artisan. with 600 kms and 1000 targets also the 2018 upgrade in the chilean frigates include the cms330 from lockheed martin, sea ceptors missiles, captas 4 2087 sonar, etc this are, without question, the best surface wessels in latin american countries (with the also chileans adelaide class) the names of the chilean t23s are 1 for a british commander that serve in chile : lord thomas cochrane. and 2 british decendants chilean commanders: patricio Lynch and Carlos Condell
Very capable ships that evolved into excellent platforms. However, they were handicapped just as all RN classes were and still are - not enough of each are built.
The way you pronounced the names of the 3 Chilean frigates is quite funny, considering all of them are named after people with English or Irish surnames By the way, Chilean ships don't have the "CS" prefix. I don't know who invented that prefix, but they sure have an imagination.
Interesting report. I'm surprised they are not continuing to make more of them with iterative improvements. Is there a replacement for the Type 23 in the pipe?
In view of our Whitehall+Westminster vermin's usual bad faith and incompetence. With even fewer of these aging but still very capable ships than was originally intended being fully updated and kept. The five most recent and capable ASW (and still effective in the GPF role) platforms, St Albans, Portland, Kent, Sutherland and Somerset, should accordingly now be enabled to remain in service until max2042 and not be retired on a one-for-one basis as their T26 successors join the fleet. While simultaneously, another five further enhanced T31 variants are design-finalised and ordered to replace them.
I understand that the Royal navy has just ordered a new fleet of pedalo boats, armed with pointy sticks, and enough sandwiches to stay on station for over five hours.
Or the 13 frigates that are actually on order and in build...including 8 x 8,000 tonne Type 26 and 5 x 7,000 tonne Type 31.... We're only 2 years away now from the first T26 and T31 getting commissioned...
@@andron2348 I mean....they're on order and contracted...so they're not going to be cancelled...all 8 T26 were contracted by end 2022, and all 5 T31 in 2019... Contracts are absolutely watertight...it would cost more in cancellation fees now not to build them... They're happening...the first 5 ships are almost structurally complete with 2 in the water..and a third soon...
@What happened to the Carrier (CVA01) or look for the sisters of HMS Bristol (Type 82) or try and find all 12 of the type 45 Destroyers, Orders on the books mean NOTHING both the type 22 & 42 had their plans changed at the last minute to (Short-ass ships)
@@andron2348 They weren't contracted. It costs more to cancel these contracts than build them... There are over 6 of these ships in build already...2 in the water, with a 3rd and 4th very soon...
The royal navy needs to get to a point where in short order they can put HMS prince of wales or queen Elizabeth to sea (if they aren’t already on patrol at sea) With a minimum of 24 f35s that are navy jets not apart of the RAF Sailing alongside A type 45 destroyer and a type 26 on the other and a supply ship bringing up the rear
Nice boats, but the UK needs to buy more than a handful of them to make any meaningful contribution to their defense. Unfortunately, that is not likely. The British military has been nearly destroyed by successive governments.
@@Crissy_the_wonder The Type 26 is only the replacement for the ASW Type 23's. The Type 31 will replace the general purpose ships. The Type 32 will be boosting Royal Navy numbers.
@@Supertobias7 That's a good thing IF the MoD actually gets the £££ to build them. Recent trends in that regard are not hopeful. Labour governments are allergic to defence spending as a matter of policy. They assume the Americans will cover their arses.
I've gotta be honest I'm kinda tired of comments like this under every navy post. It's always "not enough VLS", "not enough ships", "not enough this", "not enough that", it's always something, it's never enough is it? Numbers are the only thing that matter apparently
@julesdebeckker627 You have to look at the potential threats vs. the available assets to counter and defeat those threats. The UK hasn't had adequate military assets since the fall of the Berlin wall (really since the end of WW2), and even then it relied heavily on NATO forces (meaning the US) to fill in the gaps. The British welfare state, like all the NATO countries, was built on the back of the US defence budget. This undermined the need for NATO countries to maintain realistic military establishments, and they did not. When the bullets start flying, as they inevitably will again, its far too late to start wondering what level of defence assets you should have in place.
Honestly even after the type 26s and type 31s are made the Royal Navy is so understrength they probably should keep one or two of the 23s in service unless they are willing to cough up the funds to make a 6th type 31 The Royal navy should have never dipped below 14 frigates and will always be an understrength force until they exceed that number.
They'd take too much work to keep running and be too costly. And that's assuming we could find the crews for them... Recruitment and retention is their biggest problem atm. Better to build more type 26 (plus more destroyers).
Even if they had the hulls they don't have the crew. The navy has been suffering from a manpower shortage for years now. People just don't want to join up.
Frigates and destroyers are primarily defensive escorts ships with some offensive capabilities. Crusier, submarine and carriers are primarily offensive ship with secondary defensive role. Type 23 was a very good design for it's intended role of fleet sub hunter. Problem only arise when they don't build them in sufficient numbers and try to use them as a general purpose warship.
@@moss550 It was designed as an ASW/GP vessel. With a medium calibre gun, 32 SAM's, 8 SSM's, 2 x RWS with 30mm cannon, MTLS and Merlin she was as well armed in general as anything of a similar size. Her only fault was a lack of longer range land attack. But given that applies to every Navy outside of the USN in the timeframe thats not a massive issue (and USN vessels carried at most 8 Tomahawk usually).
Not all radar cross section reduction measures are considered "stealthy". These frigates will be detected by radar, but the signal getting back to it may be confusing and make their identification more difficult.
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The Chilean Type 23s replaced the Type 996 Radar with the Hensoldt TRS-4D between 2020 and 2021 as seen in the video
Thanks for correction. We missed it.
@WeaponDetective Thanks to you for the video.
The 23s have got to be some of the best looking modern warships I've seen. Will be sad to see them go.
100%
It's a good looking late 20th century warship, but it's not modern anymore.
The design is really dated by the 2020s and is in urgent need for replacement by the type 26 and 31.
@@moss550 "Modern", as opposed to age of sail, or World War(s) era (pre missile age).
Nobody is claiming the ships aren't getting long in the tooth, stop trying to be pedantic.
Thanks for the video. Nice one
Your videos are truly deep and information heavy. I've been around for awhile. I'm always looking forward to seeing what's next. Please keep the videos coming!
Great video! The Type 23 is one of my favourite ships.
I served for 3 years on HMS Iron Duke..the poor ships and crew never got any rest and recuperation as we were always away on Deployment or exercise mostly submarine hunting/ASW operations.
Oh imagine serving in Iraq 24-7......Rest! your aving a Laff 😂
. Mate you'd probably do 1 x 6 month tour....and then you'd probably have time at home afterwards as an Army unit and you'd probably be unlucky if you deployed again for a few years. In the Navy you'd be lucky to get a couple of weeks in the ships baseport over each year and quite a lot of sailors who live up North get little to no chance of getting home. I respect the Army and Airforce deploy too but I can guarantee it won't be as much as the Navy. There's no nipping home for your dinner in the Navy.
Great video, I love the Type 23. But you made a mistake here; Chilean frigates do NOT have the original radar set, these were replaced by Hendsolt TRS-4D radars,new IFF systems, sea ceptor, new modernized command and control room from Lockheed Canada (CMS 330), and at least one, maybe two, have received new towed-array sonars. By far the most capable frigates in South America.
You are right. We missediy. sorry
Type 23 of Chilean navy upgrade:
Radar : HENSOLDT TRS-4D
CMS : Lockheed Martin Canadá CMS 330
Misil: MBDA Seaceptor (CAMM)
Great video, nicely edited. At 5.30 you said it was the first western ship with VLS. Didn't the USS Bunker Hill, the first US ship with VLS enter service before the first Type 23?
The Type 23 is the first Western warship designed with VLS. USS Bunker Hill is the first operational, as you mentioned. We should have been clearer.
A number of these ships were built at swan hunters and the final ship ever launched at the wallsend shipyard was hms Richmond, built on time and to budget with the smallest number of defects ever in a royal navy ship yet this didn't stop the political closure of one of the world's finest shipyards, RIP SWAN HUNTERS
Aye, sad day.
They did royally screw up the 2 Bay Class being built there though...Largs Bay and Lyme Bay. Lyme Bay had to be towed away and finished elsewhere...
chilean t23s have the hensolt trs4d radar, equivalent to the new artisan. with 600 kms and 1000 targets
also the 2018 upgrade in the chilean frigates include the cms330 from lockheed martin, sea ceptors missiles, captas 4 2087 sonar, etc
this are, without question, the best surface wessels in latin american countries (with the also chileans adelaide class)
the names of the chilean t23s are 1 for a british commander that serve in chile : lord thomas cochrane. and 2 british decendants chilean commanders: patricio Lynch and Carlos Condell
Irish descendant, in the case of Condell.
Very capable ships that evolved into excellent platforms. However, they were handicapped just as all RN classes were and still are - not enough of each are built.
The way you pronounced the names of the 3 Chilean frigates is quite funny, considering all of them are named after people with English or Irish surnames
By the way, Chilean ships don't have the "CS" prefix. I don't know who invented that prefix, but they sure have an imagination.
Interesting report. I'm surprised they are not continuing to make more of them with iterative improvements. Is there a replacement for the Type 23 in the pipe?
Type 26 and Type 31 - the first 26s are already afloat
@@stevenwood7347 Thanks. I'll give 'em a look.
@@horusfalcon There are 8 T26 and 5 T31 on the way. First T26 and T31 will commission in 2027. They're massive in comparison to T23.
@ Yeah. Looks like some good ships, too.
Make a video on the new Nilgiri class frigates of the Indian Navy
I always thought the hulls on the type 23 were composite materials & wasn't steal etc
You're thinking of the Hunt Class and Sandown Class MCM. They were/are glass fibre.
In view of our Whitehall+Westminster vermin's usual bad faith and incompetence. With even fewer of these aging but still very capable ships than was originally intended being fully updated and kept. The five most recent and capable ASW (and still effective in the GPF role) platforms, St Albans, Portland, Kent, Sutherland and Somerset, should accordingly now be enabled to remain in service until max2042 and not be retired on a one-for-one basis as their T26 successors join the fleet. While simultaneously, another five further enhanced T31 variants are design-finalised and ordered to replace them.
I understand that the Royal navy has just ordered a new fleet of pedalo boats, armed with pointy sticks, and enough sandwiches to stay on station for over five hours.
Or the 13 frigates that are actually on order and in build...including 8 x 8,000 tonne Type 26 and 5 x 7,000 tonne Type 31....
We're only 2 years away now from the first T26 and T31 getting commissioned...
@@dogsnads5634 Remember the word "Cancelled" Just wait and see.
@@andron2348 I mean....they're on order and contracted...so they're not going to be cancelled...all 8 T26 were contracted by end 2022, and all 5 T31 in 2019...
Contracts are absolutely watertight...it would cost more in cancellation fees now not to build them...
They're happening...the first 5 ships are almost structurally complete with 2 in the water..and a third soon...
@What happened to the Carrier (CVA01) or look for the sisters of HMS Bristol (Type 82) or try and find all 12 of the type 45 Destroyers, Orders on the books mean NOTHING both the type 22 & 42 had their plans changed at the last minute to (Short-ass ships)
@@andron2348 They weren't contracted. It costs more to cancel these contracts than build them...
There are over 6 of these ships in build already...2 in the water, with a 3rd and 4th very soon...
The royal navy needs to get to a point where in short order they can put HMS prince of wales or queen Elizabeth to sea (if they aren’t already on patrol at sea)
With a minimum of 24 f35s that are navy jets not apart of the RAF
Sailing alongside A type 45 destroyer and a type 26 on the other and a supply ship bringing up the rear
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Nice boats, but the UK needs to buy more than a handful of them to make any meaningful contribution to their defense. Unfortunately, that is not likely. The British military has been nearly destroyed by successive governments.
Also not likely as this is a 1980s/1990s design, but yes, more Type 26 (the replacement) are needed.
@@Crissy_the_wonder The Type 26 is only the replacement for the ASW Type 23's. The Type 31 will replace the general purpose ships. The Type 32 will be boosting Royal Navy numbers.
@@Supertobias7 That's a good thing IF the MoD actually gets the £££ to build them. Recent trends in that regard are not hopeful. Labour governments are allergic to defence spending as a matter of policy. They assume the Americans will cover their arses.
I've gotta be honest I'm kinda tired of comments like this under every navy post. It's always "not enough VLS", "not enough ships", "not enough this", "not enough that", it's always something, it's never enough is it? Numbers are the only thing that matter apparently
@julesdebeckker627 You have to look at the potential threats vs. the available assets to counter and defeat those threats. The UK hasn't had adequate military assets since the fall of the Berlin wall (really since the end of WW2), and even then it relied heavily on NATO forces (meaning the US) to fill in the gaps. The British welfare state, like all the NATO countries, was built on the back of the US defence budget. This undermined the need for NATO countries to maintain realistic military establishments, and they did not. When the bullets start flying, as they inevitably will again, its far too late to start wondering what level of defence assets you should have in place.
Great vid one small point the the type 23 are fitted with phalanx from memory they mount two
The Type 23s were never fitted with Phalanx or Goalkeeper. The Type 42s did though (after the Falklands). The Type 23s had 30mm DS30M (not a CIWS)
I believe they sported a Goalkeeper, but they were deemed redundant and removed. Plus they made them top-heavy
@@juanpablo681 Nope no CIWS fitted ever only the 30mm DS30m x 2
Type 22 batch 3 had Goalkeeper. Type 42 and 45 destroyers have 2 x phalanx. Type 26 will have 2 x phalanx
Only other RN ships to have Goalkeeper were Albion class LPD, and Invincible class carriers
Honestly even after the type 26s and type 31s are made the Royal Navy is so understrength they probably should keep one or two of the 23s in service unless they are willing to cough up the funds to make a 6th type 31
The Royal navy should have never dipped below 14 frigates and will always be an understrength force until they exceed that number.
They'd take too much work to keep running and be too costly. And that's assuming we could find the crews for them... Recruitment and retention is their biggest problem atm.
Better to build more type 26 (plus more destroyers).
Even if they had the hulls they don't have the crew. The navy has been suffering from a manpower shortage for years now. People just don't want to join up.
First cold war...
The Russian ships look the business.
They do look ok...but they have to hide in port...so not really very good warships are they...
Type 23 heavenly underpowered, more equivalent to a escort vessel.
Type 23's are Frigates so are Escort Vessels - what is your point ?.
Frigates and destroyers are primarily defensive escorts ships with some offensive capabilities.
Crusier, submarine and carriers are primarily offensive ship with secondary defensive role.
Type 23 was a very good design for it's intended role of fleet sub hunter. Problem only arise when they don't build them in sufficient numbers and try to use them as a general purpose warship.
@@moss550 It was designed as an ASW/GP vessel.
With a medium calibre gun, 32 SAM's, 8 SSM's, 2 x RWS with 30mm cannon, MTLS and Merlin she was as well armed in general as anything of a similar size. Her only fault was a lack of longer range land attack. But given that applies to every Navy outside of the USN in the timeframe thats not a massive issue (and USN vessels carried at most 8 Tomahawk usually).
calling BS . there is absolutley nothing stealth about this ship. its a radar sync plaine and simple
The Video explains what Stealth measures they have !.
Not all radar cross section reduction measures are considered "stealthy". These frigates will be detected by radar, but the signal getting back to it may be confusing and make their identification more difficult.
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