I love biomimesis. especially when it comes to storytelling, so their equipment looking like parasites and detrivores makes a compelling story instrument.
@@boje8304 well the Atreides for once actually tried to cooperate with the Fremen, as opposed to exterminating them whenever they encountered them. Also it's very clearly showed that the two houses represent a very different mindset, with the Atreides being far more benevolent and just. So yeah, they were quite different
I also thought the legs may be used for mine protection, prematurely detonated the large magnetic plates before they could latch unto the harvesters hull.
Yeah i'm pretty sure a sandworm isnt going to ignore the massive amounts of noisy machinery harvesting the spice just because it has some legs that move irregularly.
Of course it wouldn't, but what if it didn't hear it. I think the legs in the harkonnen harvesters didn't completely mute it's presence to the worms, just significantly reduced the area from with the worms could detect it. They still used air support after all
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The Harkonnen harvester looks like a big-headed spider. Whereas the Atreides havester does in fact look like a mobile factory. And they would probably be safer if they harvest spice in places where the worms don't go frequently.
The final mention about the price of the spice is from aprox 3000 years after events from Duna movie - because in the future sandworms (which are source of spice) are gone, production of spice is zero and so only source of spice is private stock of God Emperor Leto II
That harkonnen spice harvester looks like a tick, sucking spice from arrakis instead of blood from humans. It was intended that way to look like a tick. So cool, best looking machine or vehicle i ever saw in any movie. Best movie and story as well to me🔥🤩
My theory is that he'd gain too much wealth from controlling the spice trade. And too much wealth meant too much power. Power which was already limited by the Landsraad, the congress made up by the great houses, meant to check on the Emperor's influence over space politics. They also probably can't allow two or several other houses to share their ownership of Arrakis due to the constant plotting and wars going on between them all. Peace must be maintained on Arrakis at all cost if they want the spice to keep flowing...
It is better to let the major Houses dream of being the one to "own" Arrakis for a few decades, plot against each other, and try to please the emperor to get this extremely profitable business. It's a tool to control the major Houses.
The other houses wouldn’t allow it. If house Corrino took over Arrakis the other houses would mutiny. It’s too much power for one house to possess both Arrakis and the throne of the emperor.
he doesn't have absolute power, he is just the head of the Landsraad. Also Arrakis fucking sucks, his home is a paradise, Arrakis is am awful shitty desert with no water
My question is why is there a square harvester used by the Atredies? In part 1 I was under the impression the Harkonnen left ALL their equipment behind for spice. It was implied in the movie and book that what they left was sabotaged. In part 2 the Harkonnen have their own unique design like a beetle (accurate to the books). I guess I’m asking why is there a square looking harvester at all? Did the Atredies already have a spice harvester design despite only getting access to Arrakis like 3 days before? Am I overthinking this lol
You’ve got it mixed up. House Harkonnen left almost NONE of their equipment behind, save for a few of old, outdated models. House Atriedes did not have any harvesters of their own and had to make do with what was left. When Harkonnen left, they took the good spice harvesters with them (I believe there’s a shot showing some of them getting airlifted away). In part 2, when House Harkonnen returns to arakkis, they bring all their spice harvesters back again.
@@Moonstruck_Arrowyeah I am pretty sure the old Harvester is Harkonnen technology as well and the only reason they don't bring it because it's way too old, inefficient yet heavy and bulky to be transported off-world
Fremen likely do it by hand, or using hand-held tools. They don't need to harvest spice to fuel an entire Imperium, just enough for their own needs for each tribe's sietch and to pay off the Spacing Guild, so they likely don't need the huge harvesters and carryall systems. Additionally, Fremen work in harmony with the land and the sandworm. They can walk without attracting its attention, and their awareness of the sandworm's lifecycle and general way of doing things would likely make them privy to fresh spice-blows that off-worlders would likely only find days (if not weeks) later. tldr; they do it by hand, they don't need as much as the Imperium does so they harvest less, and their knowledge of Dune gives them prime spice locations.
Not to be that guy, but spice is *anything* but a narcotic. The name narcotic comes from the Greek root narcō, meaning numb. Narcotic drugs are mainly used to numb and suppress cognition, and heavy users of narcotics such as opioids essentially become catatonic over time.
Two huge problems I have with dune movies tech. 1. the mining laser beams seem like better weapons than anything else. 2. they have anti gravity tech in there suits. Why not a floating spice harvester? why balloons at all?
1. lasguns, when hitting shielded targets, cause a chain reaction equivalent to an atomic weapon. it would destroy the individual/thing wearing the shield and it would also kill the person who fired it. that’s why they’re used sparingly, and the harkonnen guy in the beginning says “no shields!” (also cuz shields make worms mad) 2. not sure too much why they have to be lifted up, but it’s probably something to do with the size. humans are probably fine, but maybe ships/crawlers are too heavy and unstable to be lifted by anti gravity tech (or maybe since it also uses holtzmann technology the vibrations could attract worms as well, similar to shields) so in conclusions, lasguns can blow everything up if shot at a shield, and maybe holtzmann anti gravity thingies attract worms
This is probably like asking "Why don't all airplanes have vertical takeoff/landing, if Harrier Jump Jets have existed since 1967? And why doesn't everybody in 2024 have commercially-available flying cars like Harriers too?"
Also the real-world reason that there aren't more commercial balloons is that the Hindenburg spooked everyone, even though balloons are comparatively _very_ energy-efficient aircraft. Unfortunately, helium (not hydrogen) is the best chemical to use for giant flying balloons, and the US monopolized it at the time of the Hindenburg, and still produces a majority to this day. There's probably some artificial reasons, like the oil industry. "If X exists, why don't all use X?" is as silly a question, as asking you yourself don't have 10 PHDs, since the internet exists.
Might be like warhammer 40k where some tech is so old no one knows how it works, but the knowledge of maintenance has been passed down through tradition
My question is how come the atreides use a different harvester and how were they able to produce harvesters so fast despite the harkonnens having controlled arrakis for 80 years. So harkonnens carried all their harvesters back to geidi prime despite it having no purpose there. They wasted money for transporting those.
Atreides used old harkonnen harvesters that harkonnen left on arrakis because they were old, and poor maintained, harkonnens carried all new and well maintained harvesters back to geidi prime so atreides couldn't use them.
in the books the harversters of the harkonnen are never described, we only get a descrption when leto goes to watch one in function, and they are described as looking like giant bugs with legs like these, so that's the main inspiration, but Denis really changed it up because he made the advanced version used by the harkonnens similar to what is in the books and since in the books too it happens that the harkonnens leave behind only old and poorly manteind machinery, he made the old machined look different, with this boxy legless design
In the Dune universe Spice is a halucinagetic drug-like chemical that enables some human psychic abilities and extendeds human life. When used in extreme quantities it gives the user enough psychic power to calculate how to fold space and navigate ships between the stars. Without spice FTL travel is impossible. It is only found in the sand of the desert planet of Arakis.
Something like that. It's worth a ton of money, and being the only way to travel space basically puts Spice in a category of it's own. Having a good amount of it is equivalent of holding millions of dollars, since you'd be able to trade it somewhere.
huh, ive always assumed the harkonnen harvesters already had built-in flight capabilities and not needed the carryalls because of the large "head" structure. guess i was wrong about that
Harkonnen harvesters look like bloated ticks, heads buried under the skin of Arrakis.
I love how all their tech looks so parasitic and pustulent.
I love biomimesis. especially when it comes to storytelling, so their equipment looking like parasites and detrivores makes a compelling story instrument.
Though the designs were different, were the ideologies of the Atreides any different? They were both their own types of parasites on Arrakis
@@boje8304 well the Atreides for once actually tried to cooperate with the Fremen, as opposed to exterminating them whenever they encountered them. Also it's very clearly showed that the two houses represent a very different mindset, with the Atreides being far more benevolent and just. So yeah, they were quite different
I believe that was the point, I remember seeing something about Harkonnen ships being meant to resemble tumors
Im having a hard time believing that the harkonnen harvesters can imitate a sand walk while weighing several hundred tonnes.
The worm comes immediately I’m pretty sure, so they only have about 40 minutes to get as much spice as possible
But no one said they're there to emulate a sandwalk, they're there to keep the harvester stable in the sand since it's top heavy
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The designers only made the legs for upper-hull support. The idea of it recreating the sandwalk was created by fans.
@@stanpines9011 Stan, shut up and watch the video that this person and the other that you commented on are talking about.
I also thought the legs may be used for mine protection, prematurely detonated the large magnetic plates before they could latch unto the harvesters hull.
I made ths same comment too.
0:50 stabbing without scooping makes finer stuff slip down between coarser grains faster
Yeah i'm pretty sure a sandworm isnt going to ignore the massive amounts of noisy machinery harvesting the spice just because it has some legs that move irregularly.
But like...did anyone say it would?
That’s the entire point of the aerial watch they have with them?
@@TmanTheTdog The video said that the Atreides's harvesters would be more susceptible to worm attacks because they didn't have those large legs.
@@stanpines9011 Yeah, this video
Of course it wouldn't, but what if it didn't hear it. I think the legs in the harkonnen harvesters didn't completely mute it's presence to the worms, just significantly reduced the area from with the worms could detect it. They still used air support after all
I sure hope nothing bad happens to all those sandworms in the next 1500 years
well this is a pretty rude sarcasm but okay
And then they come back and there’s a Fremen woman who can talk to them
Hmm I have an Idea! *Makes a sandworm suit*
dude i love your vids man keep it up
Awesome video yet again. Great production value.
Thank you for taking my suggestion!, you should keep going, these are really good and interesting! As a writer and world builder myself this is both helpful and cool.
The Harkonnen harvester looks like a big-headed spider. Whereas the Atreides havester does in fact look like a mobile factory. And they would probably be safer if they harvest spice in places where the worms don't go frequently.
The worms make the spice, you cannot have one without the other.
The final mention about the price of the spice is from aprox 3000 years after events from Duna movie - because in the future sandworms (which are source of spice) are gone, production of spice is zero and so only source of spice is private stock of God Emperor Leto II
I love how you just made up a lot of these facts from what's inferred from the two movies, but it fits well and feels plausible!
great explanation pls continue there is so much to explain
Nice video quick and simple.
That harkonnen spice harvester looks like a tick, sucking spice from arrakis instead of blood from humans. It was intended that way to look like a tick. So cool, best looking machine or vehicle i ever saw in any movie. Best movie and story as well to me🔥🤩
if arrakis is so valuable why doesn't the Emperor make it his planet?? Is he stupid?
My theory is that he'd gain too much wealth from controlling the spice trade. And too much wealth meant too much power. Power which was already limited by the Landsraad, the congress made up by the great houses, meant to check on the Emperor's influence over space politics.
They also probably can't allow two or several other houses to share their ownership of Arrakis due to the constant plotting and wars going on between them all. Peace must be maintained on Arrakis at all cost if they want the spice to keep flowing...
It is better to let the major Houses dream of being the one to "own" Arrakis for a few decades, plot against each other, and try to please the emperor to get this extremely profitable business. It's a tool to control the major Houses.
The other houses wouldn’t allow it. If house Corrino took over Arrakis the other houses would mutiny. It’s too much power for one house to possess both Arrakis and the throne of the emperor.
he doesn't have absolute power, he is just the head of the Landsraad.
Also Arrakis fucking sucks, his home is a paradise, Arrakis is am awful shitty desert with no water
I suppose because it's a shit planet to actually live on
My question is why is there a square harvester used by the Atredies? In part 1 I was under the impression the Harkonnen left ALL their equipment behind for spice. It was implied in the movie and book that what they left was sabotaged. In part 2 the Harkonnen have their own unique design like a beetle (accurate to the books). I guess I’m asking why is there a square looking harvester at all? Did the Atredies already have a spice harvester design despite only getting access to Arrakis like 3 days before? Am I overthinking this lol
You’ve got it mixed up. House Harkonnen left almost NONE of their equipment behind, save for a few of old, outdated models. House Atriedes did not have any harvesters of their own and had to make do with what was left.
When Harkonnen left, they took the good spice harvesters with them (I believe there’s a shot showing some of them getting airlifted away). In part 2, when House Harkonnen returns to arakkis, they bring all their spice harvesters back again.
@@Moonstruck_Arrow okay cool that makes sense
@@Moonstruck_Arrowyeah I am pretty sure the old Harvester is Harkonnen technology as well and the only reason they don't bring it because it's way too old, inefficient yet heavy and bulky to be transported off-world
The beetle designs are seen at the beginning of part 1 as well.
The real question is, how do Fremen harvest the spice?
I don't recall something in the books. Some video games show a hand harvest.
Fremen likely do it by hand, or using hand-held tools. They don't need to harvest spice to fuel an entire Imperium, just enough for their own needs for each tribe's sietch and to pay off the Spacing Guild, so they likely don't need the huge harvesters and carryall systems. Additionally, Fremen work in harmony with the land and the sandworm. They can walk without attracting its attention, and their awareness of the sandworm's lifecycle and general way of doing things would likely make them privy to fresh spice-blows that off-worlders would likely only find days (if not weeks) later.
tldr; they do it by hand, they don't need as much as the Imperium does so they harvest less, and their knowledge of Dune gives them prime spice locations.
Not to be that guy, but spice is *anything* but a narcotic. The name narcotic comes from the Greek root narcō, meaning numb. Narcotic drugs are mainly used to numb and suppress cognition, and heavy users of narcotics such as opioids essentially become catatonic over time.
That thumbnail font is crazy 😭
Two huge problems I have with dune movies tech. 1. the mining laser beams seem like better weapons than anything else. 2. they have anti gravity tech in there suits. Why not a floating spice harvester? why balloons at all?
1. lasguns, when hitting shielded targets, cause a chain reaction equivalent to an atomic weapon. it would destroy the individual/thing wearing the shield and it would also kill the person who fired it. that’s why they’re used sparingly, and the harkonnen guy in the beginning says “no shields!” (also cuz shields make worms mad)
2. not sure too much why they have to be lifted up, but it’s probably something to do with the size. humans are probably fine, but maybe ships/crawlers are too heavy and unstable to be lifted by anti gravity tech (or maybe since it also uses holtzmann technology the vibrations could attract worms as well, similar to shields)
so in conclusions, lasguns can blow everything up if shot at a shield, and maybe holtzmann anti gravity thingies attract worms
It’s probably needlessly costly to attach floating machines to harvesters. Balloon carryalls work fine as long as they’re maintained.
This is probably like asking "Why don't all airplanes have vertical takeoff/landing, if Harrier Jump Jets have existed since 1967? And why doesn't everybody in 2024 have commercially-available flying cars like Harriers too?"
Also the real-world reason that there aren't more commercial balloons is that the Hindenburg spooked everyone, even though balloons are comparatively _very_ energy-efficient aircraft. Unfortunately, helium (not hydrogen) is the best chemical to use for giant flying balloons, and the US monopolized it at the time of the Hindenburg, and still produces a majority to this day. There's probably some artificial reasons, like the oil industry. "If X exists, why don't all use X?" is as silly a question, as asking you yourself don't have 10 PHDs, since the internet exists.
Might be like warhammer 40k where some tech is so old no one knows how it works, but the knowledge of maintenance has been passed down through tradition
More environmentally friendly than oil
My question is how come the atreides use a different harvester and how were they able to produce harvesters so fast despite the harkonnens having controlled arrakis for 80 years. So harkonnens carried all their harvesters back to geidi prime despite it having no purpose there. They wasted money for transporting those.
Atreides used old harkonnen harvesters that harkonnen left on arrakis because they were old, and poor maintained, harkonnens carried all new and well maintained harvesters back to geidi prime so atreides couldn't use them.
Thesee vids are great. Would you ever use an AI voice to narrate your vids?
I would rather use my own voice if I chose to narrate my videos!
@@JayMayJam yep! all good
Impressive plakatstil design style!
This is a cool bit of world building. What is it based on? Books? Denis? Or your own headcannon?
in the books the harversters of the harkonnen are never described, we only get a descrption when leto goes to watch one in function, and they are described as looking like giant bugs with legs like these, so that's the main inspiration, but Denis really changed it up because he made the advanced version used by the harkonnens similar to what is in the books and since in the books too it happens that the harkonnens leave behind only old and poorly manteind machinery, he made the old machined look different, with this boxy legless design
How do you make animations like this?
Why do they not keep balloons always attached to harvesters instead of calling them from a distance?
😮 Guess you don't know
not enough balloons
Keeping them afloat probably isn't cheap
That wouldn’t help much with anything, frankly. It would add an additional load and point of failure to the harvesters.
so one carryall can be used for multiple harvesters parallel
Why don’t you keep your engine on all the time ? I mean you are going to drive anyway, right ?
So what is Spice actually? Is it like currency in the olden Roman days where they used salt as currency?
In the Dune universe Spice is a halucinagetic drug-like chemical that enables some human psychic abilities and extendeds human life.
When used in extreme quantities it gives the user enough psychic power to calculate how to fold space and navigate ships between the stars. Without spice FTL travel is impossible.
It is only found in the sand of the desert planet of Arakis.
Something like that. It's worth a ton of money, and being the only way to travel space basically puts Spice in a category of it's own. Having a good amount of it is equivalent of holding millions of dollars, since you'd be able to trade it somewhere.
Spice is created by the only alien species in the dune universe, the sand worms
@@NoobtooberMan so what does it do, I mean does it heal sickness, a power source for electricity, or something like that?
@@1597B I see, so like here we have the US dollar but we also have gold and crude oil, so it's kinda like their "oil" or "gasoline" then?
huh, ive always assumed the harkonnen harvesters already had built-in flight capabilities and not needed the carryalls because of the large "head" structure. guess i was wrong about that
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Where the fuck is first part?
"Dune: Part 2" is the name of the show.
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