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It's the same kind of thing with CJ Stroud. Who's gonna be this year's CJ? No one. He had arguably the greatest Qb rookie season ever. That's not gonna get run back every year. Don't beat your guy up too much for for not being able to duplicate it, whoever it ends up being.
It's like Justin Herbert as well. You had to assume Mario Crystoball was a literal clown of a coach that can also be an elite recruiter who also would waste an elite QB throwing bubbles and PA boots exclusively for 90+% of plays all while loosing winnable games because of his fear of letting the now top 6 QB in the world throw against the sun devils
I know its not really this class but not everyone is Drew Brees or Russell Wilson, height and body type matter also, they are the exceptions to the rule
@vsauce4678 I mean, with how badly his Miami cocked up against Georgia Tech, he might actually be a clown when it comes to understanding offense and clock management. If it's not defense or recruiting, I would press x to doubt.
"If you're uncomfortable with a dude who paints his fingernails or a dude who cries, I would give you two middle fingers." JT, you are a fucking legend.
Even though I support the Bills, and we do not need a QB, one of my favorite things in the world is seeing a team pick their guy on draft day. That feeling of "this is the one" is probably the best feeling in sports as a fan.
Nah, the best feeling is when they pick that guy and they're right about him. Zach Wilson and CJ Stroud give very different results though drafted in about the same spot. As a Texans fan, 2023 was one of the greatest years ever.
I’m not saying the superbowls aren’t my favorite part. But I understand what you’re saying. Watching Pat “trot” onto the field and throw 50tds his first year starting (second year in the league), was so damn awesome. We didn’t know what he was gonna be. We heard good things (just like every fan base hears about every qb). Getting rid of Alex smith forcing Pat to start was a sign of good things, but you still never know. We were hoping the man could compete on a week to week basis and hopefully improve. 50tds and an overtime loss in the afc championship game to TB12 where Pat didn’t even get to touch the ball. Yes sir! Ride of my life!
@@colindavis193at least with Pat y'all got a ton of positive press about him being the New QB. The Jordan Love situation was filled with drama. Most fans were stunned by the pick. There was a lot of immediate outrage. The media called it a wasted pick.
You guys should do a special video talking about the origins of the Sean Payton system. Everyone says it is over complicated and only Drew could make it work to perfection but i never saw a video explaining de Xs and Os about what really makes this system so difficult to play in and the origins of it.
Sean Payton is way over rated. Brees made him who he is. His offenses were easy to predict the real genius is the kid Sean mcvey with rams. In super bowl he got the ball to the best wr consistently even though every one knew ,,and still won the game
@@stevenorthenscold6313 except when old man Bill made him look like a child in the most boring Super Bowl ever. Sean Payton will be back now that he has got rid of Russ, who can only run one system.
It would be great if JT could do a mid-season qb recap for the next season (or something similar), I watch his fantastic breakdowns but having a more concise recap of the goods and bads when they are in the league would be really cool! And doing it with EJ and Brett would be the cherry on top
He's actually better than he realizes at calling out play-calling. He _sees it_ & points it out but rarely directly *says* it's the play-calling. But he called out Cliff Kingsbury for One Thing at least even though IMO it's not The Main Problem with him. It's hard to tell if we're in a terrible period for coaches & play-callers. Even Andy Reid has a limited view of what he wants his offense to do & it never worked with any of his QBs. People forget this because of Mahomes. But Kellen Moore proved himself worse than both Joe Lombardi & Mike McCarthy & no one is calling _him_ out. I thought that the internet would help fans force teams to fire the incompetent coaches. Instead people defend them. Greg Roman kept an MVP-calibre QB at a pedestrian level for _three full years _*_despite the fact_* that many analysts proved he was the problem. Matt Patricia, Josh McD & others still get work despite being so obviously inept. & my favorite is still how everyone turned on Justin Fields. The Bears OVERTLY sabotaged him in so many ways, most caught on film & everyone said it was Fields' fault. Not J.T. at least, but pretty much everyone else.
@@choosecarefully408 Of course its the playcalling. Offenses are way too predictable and pass happy. Its especially ridiculous when you see offenses that arent even good throwing all the time. This is directly leading to more qb hits and injuries. As a Packer fan, I started noticing the trend in 2018 with how defenses would play them. Defenses were basically playing pass every single play cuz they knew Rodgers wouldnt stick with the run. Playaction didnt work at all because the dline would just go straight for Rodgers and not fall for the ball fake. The few times the Packers did run it would usually be good gains but Rodgers wouldnt stick with it and defenses knew he wouldnt so they would gladly give up the occasional 10-20 yard run cuz they knew they would have the upper hand on the like 75% of the other plays. The pass to run ratio leaguewide should be somewhere around 45/55 but instead its the opposite and the league is paying dearly.
@@williamhermann6635Ah, cool. I wasn't watching from about '14 until '22 (when I found channels like this) & it _seemed_ as if this was the case, but I couldn't tell. What seems obvious is that a rash of coaches brought up on video games who don't understand that players get tired are in charge & that owners are enforcing top-down structures that harm their own teams. But I can't tell if this last was always there because I can only tell now due to the internet. I don't remember anyone as bad as Matt Patricia, Josh McD or Brandon Staley, but Mike McCarthy who *obviously* falls to pieces in the clutch is still solely in charge of making decisions in it. This is why Rodgers was so miserable. HCs who refused to consider his opinions valid, likely due to maintaining a command structure, not because it was what was best for the team.
@@choosecarefully408 Mccarthy is where you lose me. The guy is #18 on the all-time wins list lol. He developed Rodgers and has now gotten the absolute most out of Dak. And heres the secret: neither Dak or Rodgers are big game quarterbacks and Mccarthy gets the blame. Theres few coaches out there that I will stand up for and Mccarthy is one of them.
@@williamhermann6635Dak has never won a damn thing, and Rodgers was good despite McCarthy. McCarthy is known for awful clock management and having 5 chins. He’s not a good coach.
48:14 so fucking glad JT said this. I’ve argued with multiple people about this point and I will never understand it. How is seeing a star player crying on the field a negative thing? Shouldn’t we want passionate players leading our teams? Him crying over a loss/let down performance is showing you exactly how much he cares. I don’t even want to get started on the fingernail thing. The fact that “fans” actually care about that is legitimately incomprehensible to me. Who gives a fuck. The guy is just being himself and if that’s what he wants to do why should anyone else care? I hate the “diva” narrative that mainstream football media has tried to create about him. Everything I’ve heard about his character and work ethic from teammates, coaches, or literally anyone else who’s been around him in a meaningful way is that he’s exactly who you want leading your team and that’s all that matters to me. If I was a Bears fan I would be ecstatic right now.
Your McCarthy conversation was so satisfying for my soul. We're Michigan fans and I heard so much crap about play calling, and my dad was so concerned because he kept getting text messages about how bad our passing game was, and every time my response was, "We are LITERALLY rushing for 300 yards a game!"
People also ignore that there were games were McCarthy put the offense on his back. He just wasn’t asked to do it every week because it risks the health of your qb when you do that. Not to mention Michigan had such large leads that in 8 out of 12 regular season games McCarthy did not take a snap in the 4th quarter
Most people don't realize that Harbaugh's definition of balance offense isn't = # of run vs pass plays, it's his team is equally equipped to beat you running or passing.
@@blankname6629 I also love bringing that stat up hahaha I'm too lazy to do it myself but I would looove to see this QB class' stats adjusted for the two whole games JJ didn't play because of his getting pulled before so many 4th quarters.
Those type of comments are from people who do not know football. They always bring the Penn St, "Michigan did not throw a pass imn yhe 2nd half"... Yeah, because they beat the #hit of them. Dominated them and thus Penn St had no chance of winning.
As a michigan fan, I was on the fence about McCarthy being a NFL starter, but after going back to his 2021 film, when he plays behind Cade Mcnamara as a freshman, he's legit. Cut it loose and had deep, cross hash throws. JJ has all the talent and tools to be a top 10 NFL QB. He threw 5 TDs as a back up, constantly made impressive plays on broken plays.. escaped a for sure sack from travon walker during the Georgia. Also 2022 TCU game he cut is loose. JJ will be the next Justin Herbert.. my 2 cents Also, watch is 69 yard throw 2021 throw against Western Michigan as a true freshman.
I was just about to mention that people should go back and watch his 2021 highlights. Thanks, cuz I can get long winded. The pass against Western Michigan is all I needed to see to know Michigan had what it needed in big games. That's when I knew he was a stud. I would have started him that year. That pass to Roman Wison against Ohio State and the throw he made across the middle against Georgia were also nice.
I always find it funny that when talking about JJ McCarthy people will say that the ran the ball 32 straight times, which is not true there were passing plays in there that were wiped away by penalties.
This pod puts out insanely high quality week in week out. Feel like it’s my secret weapon over my other NFL fan friends. Keep up the good work, these two are going places mark my words.
@@DJMANGO10 Maye is 21yrs old, 2 years younger than Daniel's he's going to go through a lot of growth and development in those two years he's going to be a better quarterback in the NFL then Daniel's, bet it!
Guys Herbert is your exception to the rule not the rule. You’re telling Michigan didn’t ask mccarthy to be a dominant top pick qb because they wanted to be a one dimensional heavy run offense.
Yeah I don't super buy that either, although *part* of me wonders if Harbaugh just likes a super run-heavy offense. I think almost everyone agrees that JJ McCarthy is better than the other full-time starting QBs Harbaugh coached at Michigan: Jake Rudock, Wilton Speight, Shea Patterson, Cade McNamara. And yet ... he threw fewer attempts per game than all of them? In fact, the average attempts per game basically declined each season Harbaugh was head coach. (Leaving out the years when reps were split amongst different starters.) Rudock, 2015-Harbuagh's first year-almost 30 attempts per game. Speight, 2016, 27.5 attempts per game. Patterson, 2018-2019, 27.1 attempts per game. McNamara, 2021, 23.4 attempts per game. McCarthy, 2022-23, 22.55 attempts per game.
And it should be stated… Herbert has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the NFL! He’s had some great talent around him on offense and defense and they have made what, one or two playoff games?
@@JMartin-d6z Sorry that's just nonsense. Despite having a defensive-minded coach, the Chargers offense was the best thing about them last year until Herbert got hurt. And, frankly, saying you can figure out the value of one player based on their team's results is stupid. I'm not sure Harbaugh will help, but FFS go watch Herbert videos on the QB School's channels-he looks at the actual game tape, going through the throws.
I appreciate the honest assessment of Bo Nix. I left a comment stating that Nix wasn’t a 1st round QB and someone responded that I was a fatherless child (which is very much untrue). Nix got beat out at Auburn by a guy that plays WR now and another that’s at Texas State why do people assume he’s a 1st round pick now is mind boggling to me.
Probably because he got better? I mean haven’t you gotten better in life at your trade? Plus it’s a known fact that Auburns offensive scheme was a joke!
Nix started 61 games in 5 seasons, 12.2 starts per season...When did Nix get beat out? LETS talk about Jayden Daniels doing nothing at Arizona st...Let's hold Daniels responsible for his shortcomings at ASU....Auburn has gotten worse since Nix left...
I'm glad the kid with 5 years of experience and 2 top 15 picks along with 2 NFL starting bookends is a tier above the kid who just turned 21, operated as pro of an NFL offense as you'll see in the collegiate ranks to the tune of a national championship in a season mired with controversy. The point to make here is you're more than welcome to have Jayden a tier above McCarthy today and even as a rookie entering the league. The issue many can't seem to parse through is the idea of projection. JJ has all the tools and more than what Jayden has and if his developmental tract is even remotely competently handled, his ceiling will be sky high compared to a Jayden Daniels who most certainly feels more maxed out. Moreover, it's fairly safe to say if you dropped McCarthy and Daniels into identical situations with identical developmental tracts, McCarthy would outpace and outperform Daniels in the long haul beyond the initial lead that Daniels has in say that 1st year or two.
McCarthy's footwork reminds me of Stroud when he throws from that base. Hes very young....big upside. Hes3,4 years younger than Nix and Penix. BTW, I love Penix in this draft.
Caleb Williams is a play creator, but he also holds the ball long and away from his body leading to more fumble issues. But his downfield vision looks absolutely wild, that part had my jaw on the floor a couple times. Its something different from what ive seen over the years, he can get away from sacks and somehow still see a guy 40+ yards down the field and deliver it with a side arm. His tape certainly looks incredible, but he needs some polish and sometimes learn to take the drop off route. Hes going to be throwing to Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, and Cole Kmet. Thats pretty freaking good.
It’s going to be great for us Bears fans. And remember, no college QB is a finished product. They all have things they need to work on. Now he’s going to have professional coaching to correct things that he’s having trouble with. And his coachable. What’s not to like about that? It’s going to be great. It takes a team to win a game. But having Caleb Williams as your QB to help on that, that’s a great thing to have.
@@zonedout5998 yeah, and the supporting cast is arguably the greatest supporting cast a #1 player has ever received. Its a decent situation to wak into. Things can be rough for rookie QBs, but with Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, and Cole Kmet as your options? thats a huge safety net. Should be able to learn a lot the first year.
One thing’s absolutely certain: the kid in this class who will ENTHUSIASTICALLY enlist experts to help grind his weaknesses in the offseason is JJ. Go out there and get yourself the only guy available who hates losing just as much as Jim Harbaugh hates losing.
The lack of understanding of Michigan in the Penn State game by NFL people is astonishing. Michigan couldn't pass block Penn State to save their life and it got JJ hurt early in the game. Chop Robinson would have sacked him 7 times because the O-line was banged up and rotating. Sherrone Moore saw the mismatch in the run game though and they exploited it over and over again and won a top 10 matchup on the road. When I hear NFL types bring it up in the discussion without context I know their knowledge is limited.
'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' is a quote from William Wright via Carl Sagan referring to the scientific method, not something someone came up with regarding JJ McCarthy.
I'm still confused about the whole haven't seen enough throws from JJ McCarthy -- he had the same number of pass attempts this past year as Jayden Daniels. I understand it was over more games, but it's still the same sample size of throws from this year.
Notice Brett was saying he'd have to watch 9 or 10 games of JJ McCarthy as if that was a lot. They're looking at a ton of players, so they don't go all that deep on them. Some of these guys only watch 1 game and then make up their mind. Most of them probably didn't watch any of JJ's 2022 film. I've see one supposed expert say JJ never scrambles to his left, that he's incapable of throwing on the run to the left. I guess that guy didn't watch the Nebraska game. th-cam.com/video/APmPSpTBP28/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ffR0E6FSoo1Xp2QJ&t=1151
@@davidbresson8865 - if they want to save time, just watch the first half of Michigan games, since they were usually several scores ahead and just running out the clock in the 2nd half. First half of most games he threw about as much as anyone else, from what I recall...
JT O'Sullivan QB Rankings: 1. Caleb Williams Big Gap 2. Jayden Daniels Larger Gap 3. JJ Mccarthy Small Gap 4. Micheal Penix Jr Medium Gap 5..Drake Maye Big Gap 6. Bo Nix
@@misfits12o This is not NFL Teams front office rankings lol. This is JT's personal rankings. He clearly mentions Daniels as QB2, then says if it was between Maye and JJ, he'd lean JJ. He also like Penix a lot and says Maye misses easy throws which he can't afford to do in NFL.
Can you guys maybe have pop-up flash cards for all the acronyms and shorthand that gets thrown around in these vids? I know it’s “in the weeds”, but it still makes it easier to digest and get a bit of a baseline understanding of what the heck yall are talking about sometimes. Thanks
@1:00:38 That's a helluva statement to say considering they went 15-0 and won the National Championship; something literally only a few teams have ever done in the history of college football.
Love it when then the best youtube nfl content creators get together to talk ball. Having watched JT for years now the thing I appreciate most is that even though he knows his shit forwards and backwards he also has the humility to know his takes are not the gospel and that a lot of this is projection and guesswork. It terms of film breakdown at the QB position he is in a class of his own though. Great conversion boys.
What I’ve seen on tape is his feet is never facing in the direction he’s throwing! I’m like how has that been missed by his coaches! But… The question is, if he throws that well with his feet jacked then what if it’s corrected?
If you watch Oregon tape of Bo, he’s extremely accurate even outside the short game and leads WRs well. He wouldn’t work for every team but if he goes to a West Coast system on rhythm and timing he will excel.
LOVE the collab!!! Would love to get Simms and K. Warner on here and have some deeper level discussion (and dare I say disagreements). Stoked for the draft - SKOL VIKES
“Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence” as far as I know that’s a quote from the Boondocks, and I NEVER thought I’d hear that show quoted here of all places 😂
It's a quote from William Wright via Carl Sagan, actually. But it's a good quote. It refers to the scientific method, and allowing for the possibility of knowledge and evidence which doesn't exist at this moment.
Brett brought up Josh when talking about Drake right after i was thinking about him for the converstaion lol Both multi sport athletes when they were younger also, not specialized early Also as a Giants fan I'm jealous of you guys getting Stroud and now Caleb on your teams, I'm praying Daniels goes 2 and JJ goes 3 so we can trade up to 4 for Maye or NE wants to trade down and we move up for Maye to pair him with Daboll
Hopefully Caleb can get over passing on open routes. I've actually heard very few credible people say he can't play on time. What I've heard more often is that he refuses to consistently and a lot of that is hard to parse without being in the room. I can say for sure 100% he chooses to pass on what should be a wide open first read and I'm just not sure the ability to get away will translate vs NFL competition.
It will be better with a good team around him. I think him passing it up is him knowing he had to score every drive to win with how bad his defense was
Jayden only threw 9% over the middle with only a 50% completion rate. NFL secondary will shift and shut him down by the 6th game. The same happened to Wentz. Caleb has fumbled the ball 33 times in 31 starts. NFL teams will focus on the interior line push ans punching the ball out. Drake Maye is the best QB in the draft at avoiding the pass rush. He's the best prospect since Andrew Luck.
Think it was matter of system with Jayden was worried about that until looked at the system. Like JT said why go over middle when you two WR that wins outside 1on1 consistently.
Not high on JJ McCarthy, but Josh Allen didn't throw much at Wyoming. McCarthy has a pretty good arm. Ripped it at 61 mph at the combine, and Josh Allen threw for 62 mph at his combine.
I’m trying to understand. If Caleb is the guy. Why would JT be worried about him going to Chicago? The Bears have a proven OC & much more surrounding the #1 pick, than probably any team in history picking #1 (not the Bears original pick). The current Bears regime has nothing to do with the past regimes. Also when a QB is the guy he transcends a team and I’m talking bad teams with limited talent (Borrow transformed a bad Bengals team).
probably just because Chicago QBs historically suck, and while it’s a good environment in terms of roster construction, it could be a bad city/fanbase/scenario in terms of having immense pressure as a ~20 y/o.
Finally someone talking about Maye's weird lapses of inaccuracy. Also, he runs the football more (almost 2x more iirc, or slightly less) than Williams, but no one ever talks about that.
That comment at the end about how much Korean barbecue they had the night before without him makes me wonder if he was just there sitting in a room of farts the whole time
3:50 my coaching staff wasn't fired. They got a pay raise to come back to Miami. Herbert wasn't CONSISTENTLY doing it. I shared your pre draft assessment. Herbert out performed us and that's fine but those weakness still show up (albeit not at the clip I expected)
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great talent never will overcome terrible coaching
36:09 You know the conversation is fire when you forget you're holding the mic and think its the beer lmao.
That was fucking hilarious, JT is a good guy for not bringing that up 😂😂
hahaha this is awesome
Ok
that was insane
Lmao I was listening to this in the background while working. Thanks for the heads up to watch that happen. 🤣
Don’t worry guys, even in this class, Christian Hackenburg is QB1
Yup my guess is JJ Mccarthy
I wonder how many of these ppl will remember that 😂
Rodgers is going to mentor him
PSU 2015 wild
I was so hyped up by Hackenburg too. Biggest swing a miss ever 😂
Brett trying to take a drink outta the mic at 36:10 is comedy
the slurping sound as he tries to take a sip 😂😂 too good
JT kinda looks like Kyle Shanahan could be his cousin
he did a vid with him on his youtube channel go check it out
@@jameshoops10 “with him”
@@sladeslayed 🤫
Spot on 😂
More like he could be his brother rather than cousin lmao
Why are Brett and EJ releasing a video at a reasonable time on the weekend? It's not even the last day of the month!
Because JT made them😂
He looks like Alex Smith and Kyle Shanahan combined.
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Absolutely with JT. If Josh Allen is the example you’re using of QBs improving in the league, you’re gonna have a rough time.
It's the same kind of thing with CJ Stroud. Who's gonna be this year's CJ? No one. He had arguably the greatest Qb rookie season ever. That's not gonna get run back every year. Don't beat your guy up too much for for not being able to duplicate it, whoever it ends up being.
It's like Justin Herbert as well. You had to assume Mario Crystoball was a literal clown of a coach that can also be an elite recruiter who also would waste an elite QB throwing bubbles and PA boots exclusively for 90+% of plays all while loosing winnable games because of his fear of letting the now top 6 QB in the world throw against the sun devils
I know its not really this class but not everyone is Drew Brees or Russell Wilson, height and body type matter also, they are the exceptions to the rule
@vsauce4678 I mean, with how badly his Miami cocked up against Georgia Tech, he might actually be a clown when it comes to understanding offense and clock management. If it's not defense or recruiting, I would press x to doubt.
"If you're uncomfortable with a dude who paints his fingernails or a dude who cries, I would give you two middle fingers." JT, you are a fucking legend.
Even though I support the Bills, and we do not need a QB, one of my favorite things in the world is seeing a team pick their guy on draft day. That feeling of "this is the one" is probably the best feeling in sports as a fan.
Nah, the best feeling is when they pick that guy and they're right about him. Zach Wilson and CJ Stroud give very different results though drafted in about the same spot. As a Texans fan, 2023 was one of the greatest years ever.
I’m not saying the superbowls aren’t my favorite part. But I understand what you’re saying. Watching Pat “trot” onto the field and throw 50tds his first year starting (second year in the league), was so damn awesome. We didn’t know what he was gonna be. We heard good things (just like every fan base hears about every qb). Getting rid of Alex smith forcing Pat to start was a sign of good things, but you still never know. We were hoping the man could compete on a week to week basis and hopefully improve. 50tds and an overtime loss in the afc championship game to TB12 where Pat didn’t even get to touch the ball. Yes sir! Ride of my life!
@@colindavis193at least with Pat y'all got a ton of positive press about him being the New QB. The Jordan Love situation was filled with drama. Most fans were stunned by the pick. There was a lot of immediate outrage. The media called it a wasted pick.
@@russg9371it was a wasted pick haha. They squandered the end of Rodgers career.
As a lifelong Bears fan, trying walking in my shoes! 🤣
To be honest, this draft feels different. Fingers crossed!
You guys should do a special video talking about the origins of the Sean Payton system. Everyone says it is over complicated and only Drew could make it work to perfection but i never saw a video explaining de Xs and Os about what really makes this system so difficult to play in and the origins of it.
Sean Payton is way over rated. Brees made him who he is. His offenses were easy to predict the real genius is the kid Sean mcvey with rams. In super bowl he got the ball to the best wr consistently even though every one knew ,,and still won the game
@@stevenorthenscold6313 except when old man Bill made him look like a child in the most boring Super Bowl ever. Sean Payton will be back now that he has got rid of Russ, who can only run one system.
It would be great if JT could do a mid-season qb recap for the next season (or something similar), I watch his fantastic breakdowns but having a more concise recap of the goods and bads when they are in the league would be really cool! And doing it with EJ and Brett would be the cherry on top
Awesome collaboration, could listen for like 4+ hours of Brett, EJ, and JT talk ball
honesty, perfect work/background stuff.
One of the most brilliant minds when it comes to evaluating quarterbacks. Great to seem him on!
He's actually better than he realizes at calling out play-calling. He _sees it_ & points it out but rarely directly *says* it's the play-calling. But he called out Cliff Kingsbury for One Thing at least even though IMO it's not The Main Problem with him.
It's hard to tell if we're in a terrible period for coaches & play-callers. Even Andy Reid has a limited view of what he wants his offense to do & it never worked with any of his QBs. People forget this because of Mahomes. But Kellen Moore proved himself worse than both Joe Lombardi & Mike McCarthy & no one is calling _him_ out.
I thought that the internet would help fans force teams to fire the incompetent coaches. Instead people defend them. Greg Roman kept an MVP-calibre QB at a pedestrian level for _three full years _*_despite the fact_* that many analysts proved he was the problem. Matt Patricia, Josh McD & others still get work despite being so obviously inept.
& my favorite is still how everyone turned on Justin Fields. The Bears OVERTLY sabotaged him in so many ways, most caught on film & everyone said it was Fields' fault.
Not J.T. at least, but pretty much everyone else.
@@choosecarefully408 Of course its the playcalling. Offenses are way too predictable and pass happy. Its especially ridiculous when you see offenses that arent even good throwing all the time. This is directly leading to more qb hits and injuries. As a Packer fan, I started noticing the trend in 2018 with how defenses would play them. Defenses were basically playing pass every single play cuz they knew Rodgers wouldnt stick with the run. Playaction didnt work at all because the dline would just go straight for Rodgers and not fall for the ball fake. The few times the Packers did run it would usually be good gains but Rodgers wouldnt stick with it and defenses knew he wouldnt so they would gladly give up the occasional 10-20 yard run cuz they knew they would have the upper hand on the like 75% of the other plays. The pass to run ratio leaguewide should be somewhere around 45/55 but instead its the opposite and the league is paying dearly.
@@williamhermann6635Ah, cool. I wasn't watching from about '14 until '22 (when I found channels like this) & it _seemed_ as if this was the case, but I couldn't tell. What seems obvious is that a rash of coaches brought up on video games who don't understand that players get tired are in charge & that owners are enforcing top-down structures that harm their own teams. But I can't tell if this last was always there because I can only tell now due to the internet.
I don't remember anyone as bad as Matt Patricia, Josh McD or Brandon Staley, but Mike McCarthy who *obviously* falls to pieces in the clutch is still solely in charge of making decisions in it. This is why Rodgers was so miserable. HCs who refused to consider his opinions valid, likely due to maintaining a command structure, not because it was what was best for the team.
@@choosecarefully408 Mccarthy is where you lose me. The guy is #18 on the all-time wins list lol. He developed Rodgers and has now gotten the absolute most out of Dak. And heres the secret: neither Dak or Rodgers are big game quarterbacks and Mccarthy gets the blame. Theres few coaches out there that I will stand up for and Mccarthy is one of them.
@@williamhermann6635Dak has never won a damn thing, and Rodgers was good despite McCarthy. McCarthy is known for awful clock management and having 5 chins. He’s not a good coach.
This is a gem of an episode, boys. Much appreciated.
Oh man a few of my favorite NFL experts! Big fan of JT’s film and Patreon breakdowns and the Bootleg guys are legit. Excited to watch!
48:14 so fucking glad JT said this. I’ve argued with multiple people about this point and I will never understand it. How is seeing a star player crying on the field a negative thing? Shouldn’t we want passionate players leading our teams? Him crying over a loss/let down performance is showing you exactly how much he cares. I don’t even want to get started on the fingernail thing. The fact that “fans” actually care about that is legitimately incomprehensible to me. Who gives a fuck. The guy is just being himself and if that’s what he wants to do why should anyone else care? I hate the “diva” narrative that mainstream football media has tried to create about him. Everything I’ve heard about his character and work ethic from teammates, coaches, or literally anyone else who’s been around him in a meaningful way is that he’s exactly who you want leading your team and that’s all that matters to me. If I was a Bears fan I would be ecstatic right now.
Great to hear that y'all had some bulgogi at the end! Love the content! From a fan from Korea
I think the nfl is planning on having the rams play in korea as part of their international game
Your McCarthy conversation was so satisfying for my soul. We're Michigan fans and I heard so much crap about play calling, and my dad was so concerned because he kept getting text messages about how bad our passing game was, and every time my response was, "We are LITERALLY rushing for 300 yards a game!"
People also ignore that there were games were McCarthy put the offense on his back. He just wasn’t asked to do it every week because it risks the health of your qb when you do that. Not to mention Michigan had such large leads that in 8 out of 12 regular season games McCarthy did not take a snap in the 4th quarter
Most people don't realize that Harbaugh's definition of balance offense isn't = # of run vs pass plays, it's his team is equally equipped to beat you running or passing.
@@blankname6629 I also love bringing that stat up hahaha
I'm too lazy to do it myself but I would looove to see this QB class' stats adjusted for the two whole games JJ didn't play because of his getting pulled before so many 4th quarters.
Those type of comments are from people who do not know football. They always bring the Penn St, "Michigan did not throw a pass imn yhe 2nd half"... Yeah, because they beat the #hit of them. Dominated them and thus Penn St had no chance of winning.
As a Michigan fan I wouldn't draft McCarthy in the 1st or 2nd.
As a michigan fan, I was on the fence about McCarthy being a NFL starter, but after going back to his 2021 film, when he plays behind Cade Mcnamara as a freshman, he's legit. Cut it loose and had deep, cross hash throws. JJ has all the talent and tools to be a top 10 NFL QB. He threw 5 TDs as a back up, constantly made impressive plays on broken plays.. escaped a for sure sack from travon walker during the Georgia. Also 2022 TCU game he cut is loose. JJ will be the next Justin Herbert.. my 2 cents
Also, watch is 69 yard throw 2021 throw against Western Michigan as a true freshman.
I was just about to mention that people should go back and watch his 2021 highlights. Thanks, cuz I can get long winded. The pass against Western Michigan is all I needed to see to know Michigan had what it needed in big games. That's when I knew he was a stud. I would have started him that year. That pass to Roman Wison against Ohio State and the throw he made across the middle against Georgia were also nice.
He has an absolute cannon and can thread the needle.
Hell yeah JT from QB School guest appearance on Bootleg? My two favorite football podcasts in one! What a treat!
This collab is so dope, great vid!
I always find it funny that when talking about JJ McCarthy people will say that the ran the ball 32 straight times, which is not true there were passing plays in there that were wiped away by penalties.
This pod puts out insanely high quality week in week out. Feel like it’s my secret weapon over my other NFL fan friends. Keep up the good work, these two are going places mark my words.
I have been waiting for this one since I have heard of its'existence, this is fantastic
JT, EJ, and Brett... This IS the football talk show we all needed!!
I love how people talk about Drake Maye like he’s a huge project even though he threw 60 TD in 2 years as a young starter
JT also said he's biased in the video so you can't always take what he says to be fair
No no JT is correct Maye is a big risk and a project he needs to fall down in the draft and preferably to 6 for the giants
@@DJMANGO10 Maye is 21yrs old, 2 years younger than Daniel's he's going to go through a lot of growth and development in those two years he's going to be a better quarterback in the NFL then Daniel's, bet it!
You know Baily Zappe threw 62 TDs in one season...
@@jodyfoster9278 cool you know that was in the fcs…
I'm a big JTO fan and I thoroughly enjoyed this. Thank you for doing it.
Patience in the rebuild is the difference with the bears. Past GMs and front office tried to rush things for instant success.
Brett’s apartment view is just stunning
Best transition to Jayden Daniels haha
A Carl Sagan quote while discussing football? I love all three of you even more now.
Sullivan talking in riddles, organizational issues? Name it! Div!
JT is the man. In a world of so much tape analysis, he is one of the best
This was a great episode.
Glad you liked it!
Guys Herbert is your exception to the rule not the rule.
You’re telling Michigan didn’t ask mccarthy to be a dominant top pick qb because they wanted to be a one dimensional heavy run offense.
Yeah I don't super buy that either, although *part* of me wonders if Harbaugh just likes a super run-heavy offense. I think almost everyone agrees that JJ McCarthy is better than the other full-time starting QBs Harbaugh coached at Michigan: Jake Rudock, Wilton Speight, Shea Patterson, Cade McNamara. And yet ... he threw fewer attempts per game than all of them? In fact, the average attempts per game basically declined each season Harbaugh was head coach. (Leaving out the years when reps were split amongst different starters.) Rudock, 2015-Harbuagh's first year-almost 30 attempts per game. Speight, 2016, 27.5 attempts per game. Patterson, 2018-2019, 27.1 attempts per game. McNamara, 2021, 23.4 attempts per game. McCarthy, 2022-23, 22.55 attempts per game.
And it should be stated…
Herbert has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in the NFL!
He’s had some great talent around him on offense and defense and they have made what, one or two playoff games?
@@JMartin-d6z Sorry that's just nonsense. Despite having a defensive-minded coach, the Chargers offense was the best thing about them last year until Herbert got hurt. And, frankly, saying you can figure out the value of one player based on their team's results is stupid. I'm not sure Harbaugh will help, but FFS go watch Herbert videos on the QB School's channels-he looks at the actual game tape, going through the throws.
Chris simms is the best qb prospect evaluator in media
For sure
Great content guys! Hoping you guys get higher on Nix and Penix.
Not pennix- 2 torn acl's in college means big trouble ahead in the big boy league unfortunately. Great spin, great deep ball though.
The collab I've been waiting for...
I appreciate the honest assessment of Bo Nix. I left a comment stating that Nix wasn’t a 1st round QB and someone responded that I was a fatherless child (which is very much untrue). Nix got beat out at Auburn by a guy that plays WR now and another that’s at Texas State why do people assume he’s a 1st round pick now is mind boggling to me.
Probably because he got better? I mean haven’t you gotten better in life at your trade? Plus it’s a known fact that Auburns offensive scheme was a joke!
Nix started 61 games in 5 seasons, 12.2 starts per season...When did Nix get beat out? LETS talk about Jayden Daniels doing nothing at Arizona st...Let's hold Daniels responsible for his shortcomings at ASU....Auburn has gotten worse since Nix left...
This was clearly filmed before Penix’s pro day 😂
Yup and they clearly state that
TOP tier moneyball reference from JT
My only complaint about this podcast is there’s not more😂
this should be a monthly thing
Refreshing to finally have someone acknowledge that JD is a clear tier above JJ
I'm glad the kid with 5 years of experience and 2 top 15 picks along with 2 NFL starting bookends is a tier above the kid who just turned 21, operated as pro of an NFL offense as you'll see in the collegiate ranks to the tune of a national championship in a season mired with controversy.
The point to make here is you're more than welcome to have Jayden a tier above McCarthy today and even as a rookie entering the league.
The issue many can't seem to parse through is the idea of projection.
JJ has all the tools and more than what Jayden has and if his developmental tract is even remotely competently handled, his ceiling will be sky high compared to a Jayden Daniels who most certainly feels more maxed out.
Moreover, it's fairly safe to say if you dropped McCarthy and Daniels into identical situations with identical developmental tracts, McCarthy would outpace and outperform Daniels in the long haul beyond the initial lead that Daniels has in say that 1st year or two.
McCarthy's footwork reminds me of Stroud when he throws from that base. Hes very young....big upside. Hes3,4 years younger than Nix and Penix. BTW, I love Penix in this draft.
Have been pretty NFL tuned out since the playoffs...this was must see. Great episode guys 🙏
Caleb Williams is a play creator, but he also holds the ball long and away from his body leading to more fumble issues. But his downfield vision looks absolutely wild, that part had my jaw on the floor a couple times. Its something different from what ive seen over the years, he can get away from sacks and somehow still see a guy 40+ yards down the field and deliver it with a side arm. His tape certainly looks incredible, but he needs some polish and sometimes learn to take the drop off route. Hes going to be throwing to Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, and Cole Kmet. Thats pretty freaking good.
It’s going to be great for us Bears fans. And remember, no college QB is a finished product. They all have things they need to work on. Now he’s going to have professional coaching to correct things that he’s having trouble with. And his coachable. What’s not to like about that? It’s going to be great. It takes a team to win a game. But having Caleb Williams as your QB to help on that, that’s a great thing to have.
@@zonedout5998 yeah, and the supporting cast is arguably the greatest supporting cast a #1 player has ever received. Its a decent situation to wak into. Things can be rough for rookie QBs, but with Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, and Cole Kmet as your options? thats a huge safety net. Should be able to learn a lot the first year.
Bust written all over that "guy"
@@leonidas7281 Yeah, like we are going to believe a random guy. Haha. Nobody knows what he will be. Including you. Anything you say is just a guess.
One thing’s absolutely certain: the kid in this class who will ENTHUSIASTICALLY enlist experts to help grind his weaknesses in the offseason is JJ. Go out there and get yourself the only guy available who hates losing just as much as Jim Harbaugh hates losing.
No better draft podcast to have with my Sunday morning coffee. These three golden pipes making easy like Sunday morning feel true.
I had to blink a few times to process the collab
One of the best aspects of this video is Brett and EJ both using a bunch of terms/phrases that JT uses all the time
The lack of understanding of Michigan in the Penn State game by NFL people is astonishing. Michigan couldn't pass block Penn State to save their life and it got JJ hurt early in the game. Chop Robinson would have sacked him 7 times because the O-line was banged up and rotating. Sherrone Moore saw the mismatch in the run game though and they exploited it over and over again and won a top 10 matchup on the road. When I hear NFL types bring it up in the discussion without context I know their knowledge is limited.
26:51 Josh Allen was squeezing balls where they didn't belong Maye is just missing easy wide open throws. Totally different imo
Herbert had to deal with Mario Cristobal as HC, he has a common theme of QB’s failing to perform under him
3 Underdogs in the football analysis world all together noice.
'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' is a quote from William Wright via Carl Sagan referring to the scientific method, not something someone came up with regarding JJ McCarthy.
Three of my favorite TH-camrs all together!!!
I'm still confused about the whole haven't seen enough throws from JJ McCarthy -- he had the same number of pass attempts this past year as Jayden Daniels. I understand it was over more games, but it's still the same sample size of throws from this year.
Notice Brett was saying he'd have to watch 9 or 10 games of JJ McCarthy as if that was a lot. They're looking at a ton of players, so they don't go all that deep on them. Some of these guys only watch 1 game and then make up their mind. Most of them probably didn't watch any of JJ's 2022 film.
I've see one supposed expert say JJ never scrambles to his left, that he's incapable of throwing on the run to the left. I guess that guy didn't watch the Nebraska game. th-cam.com/video/APmPSpTBP28/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ffR0E6FSoo1Xp2QJ&t=1151
@@davidbresson8865 - if they want to save time, just watch the first half of Michigan games, since they were usually several scores ahead and just running out the clock in the 2nd half. First half of most games he threw about as much as anyone else, from what I recall...
JJ pass on obvious passing down is clutch and harder.
JT O'Sullivan QB Rankings:
1. Caleb Williams
Big Gap
2. Jayden Daniels
Larger Gap
3. JJ Mccarthy
Small Gap
4. Micheal Penix Jr
Medium Gap
5..Drake Maye
Big Gap
6. Bo Nix
Who's has the highest ceiling of the qbs outside of Caleb in your opinion?
No fucking way in hell any front office in the NFL has that big of a gap between Daniels and Maye
@@misfits12o This is not NFL Teams front office rankings lol. This is JT's personal rankings. He clearly mentions Daniels as QB2, then says if it was between Maye and JJ, he'd lean JJ. He also like Penix a lot and says Maye misses easy throws which he can't afford to do in NFL.
Garbage ass rankings
I can't wait to come back to this after the draft and see the players relevant to my team!
Can you guys maybe have pop-up flash cards for all the acronyms and shorthand that gets thrown around in these vids?
I know it’s “in the weeds”, but it still makes it easier to digest and get a bit of a baseline understanding of what the heck yall are talking about sometimes.
Thanks
@1:00:38 That's a helluva statement to say considering they went 15-0 and won the National Championship; something literally only a few teams have ever done in the history of college football.
Drake Maye reminds me of Sam Darnold. Same size, same problems.
Thank you guys for doing this - love the analysis from all 3 of you.
Love it when then the best youtube nfl content creators get together to talk ball. Having watched JT for years now the thing I appreciate most is that even though he knows his shit forwards and backwards he also has the humility to know his takes are not the gospel and that a lot of this is projection and guesswork. It terms of film breakdown at the QB position he is in a class of his own though. Great conversion boys.
36:10 When you decide to drink your microphone...
Penix seemed to have improved his throwing motion in pro day. His release is smooth now. Next the foot work.
What I’ve seen on tape is his feet is never facing in the direction he’s throwing! I’m like how has that been missed by his coaches!
But…
The question is, if he throws that well with his feet jacked then what if it’s corrected?
If you watch Oregon tape of Bo, he’s extremely accurate even outside the short game and leads WRs well. He wouldn’t work for every team but if he goes to a West Coast system on rhythm and timing he will excel.
This is a badass colab. JT is the man.
LOVE the collab!!! Would love to get Simms and K. Warner on here and have some deeper level discussion (and dare I say disagreements). Stoked for the draft - SKOL VIKES
Please do more collabs with JT 🙏🏼 best football TH-camrs in the world
Samuel Jackson Boondocks "the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence" a goat tv show and actor.
Not even fair having these 3 big brains in the same off-puttingly luxurious penthouse
Thanks guys, great dialog.
Annnnnnddddd now I have my opinion on this years QB class
Tebow'd it. I'm gonna use that IRL.
“Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence” as far as I know that’s a quote from the Boondocks, and I NEVER thought I’d hear that show quoted here of all places 😂
It's a quote from William Wright via Carl Sagan, actually. But it's a good quote. It refers to the scientific method, and allowing for the possibility of knowledge and evidence which doesn't exist at this moment.
@@PlaySA ah okay that makes sense, makes the way it was used in the show even more hilarious lol
Top 3 video to ever be made on the channel
Very nice video, I think future videos in a similar vein about other positions would also be fun to watch.
Drake maye is just Jordan love but bigger
Edit: this is a comparison between then as prospects, not has they currently are
Athletic Phillip rivers
So, I guess you didn't watch the video. Did you not hear what JT said. He ain't it
@moody4tech635 he also admitted he fucked up evaluating Justin Herbert and seeing his potential.
Drake Maye is Justin Herbert 2.0
So a qb 25 teams would love to have? There aren’t many teams that would pass on love right now.
@@moody4tech635 yeah sorry I don't take anyone else's opinions on evaluating qbs
I really appreciate J.T."s attempt to not drop any F Bombs for the first Hour before just giving up.
Brett brought up Josh when talking about Drake right after i was thinking about him for the converstaion lol
Both multi sport athletes when they were younger also, not specialized early
Also as a Giants fan I'm jealous of you guys getting Stroud and now Caleb on your teams, I'm praying Daniels goes 2 and JJ goes 3 so we can trade up to 4 for Maye or NE wants to trade down and we move up for Maye to pair him with Daboll
Hopefully Caleb can get over passing on open routes. I've actually heard very few credible people say he can't play on time. What I've heard more often is that he refuses to consistently and a lot of that is hard to parse without being in the room. I can say for sure 100% he chooses to pass on what should be a wide open first read and I'm just not sure the ability to get away will translate vs NFL competition.
It will be better with a good team around him. I think him passing it up is him knowing he had to score every drive to win with how bad his defense was
Loving this collab!
Why is JT not on a coaching staff in the NFL?
Organizational issues...😅
Jayden only threw 9% over the middle with only a 50% completion rate. NFL secondary will shift and shut him down by the 6th game. The same happened to Wentz. Caleb has fumbled the ball 33 times in 31 starts. NFL teams will focus on the interior line push ans punching the ball out. Drake Maye is the best QB in the draft at avoiding the pass rush. He's the best prospect since Andrew Luck.
Think it was matter of system with Jayden was worried about that until looked at the system. Like JT said why go over middle when you two WR that wins outside 1on1 consistently.
Not high on JJ McCarthy, but Josh Allen didn't throw much at Wyoming. McCarthy has a pretty good arm. Ripped it at 61 mph at the combine, and Josh Allen threw for 62 mph at his combine.
I’m trying to understand. If Caleb is the guy. Why would JT be worried about him going to Chicago? The Bears have a proven OC & much more surrounding the #1 pick, than probably any team in history picking #1 (not the Bears original pick). The current Bears regime has nothing to do with the past regimes. Also when a QB is the guy he transcends a team and I’m talking bad teams with limited talent (Borrow transformed a bad Bengals team).
probably just because Chicago QBs historically suck, and while it’s a good environment in terms of roster construction, it could be a bad city/fanbase/scenario in terms of having immense pressure as a ~20 y/o.
and that’s why he said he had “hurdles to overcome from an organizational standpoint.” the bears have been a bad organization for forever.
Great stuff guys
Bo had the highest competition percentage when eliminating throws at the line
Finally someone talking about Maye's weird lapses of inaccuracy. Also, he runs the football more (almost 2x more iirc, or slightly less) than Williams, but no one ever talks about that.
Every single guy that’s hyping up Jayden is gonna have some explaining to do in about 9 months
That comment at the end about how much Korean barbecue they had the night before without him makes me wonder if he was just there sitting in a room of farts the whole time
I am so ready for this omg
Penix's pro-day showed he's one of the top athletes at qb in the draft.
Negative...He's fast but has zero running skills
1:00:55 Did I just hear a Boondocks quote? 😂😂😂
Love when my favourite worlds collide
3:50 my coaching staff wasn't fired. They got a pay raise to come back to Miami. Herbert wasn't CONSISTENTLY doing it. I shared your pre draft assessment. Herbert out performed us and that's fine but those weakness still show up (albeit not at the clip I expected)
This was such a great video