"We purchase competitors frames from local shops" I chuckled at that. More like "we look at our competitors cad designed they sent us to build for them"
Great video! I've been riding my same old specialized for 16 years now. Time to upgrade)) over the past year or so I've been dreaming of buying a Giant just need to save a little more. I can't wait!!))
the problem with my giant tcr is that its not stiff near the fork. I can actually feel flex in that area so not sure if its just a bad fork/bearings or the fact that its not reinforced in that area. Good to hear that they added beef to this region hopefully that solves that issue.
i´ve bought a giant defy 3 compact about 3 months ago, and it´s AMAZING. Of course it´s not the bike of the bikes but it´s great for the price it is. I´m now saving some money for the Propel Advanced 1, maybe in February or March I´ll put my hands on it. My friends say Giant sucks, but they don´t know nothing, they ride Specialized and Trek
will it fit a size 30 or 32 tires ? pls im dying to know coz i was aimng to buy a anyroad comax before but if the defy will fit a ssize 30 0r 32 its bike i willgo for coz i love everything about the defy advanve 2 ,
Looking to buy this bike in the next couple of days, but questioning the QR axle on the front. Did you get any pinging on the disc under load or cornering? Due to fork twist.
I need some help here, I picked up a flawless Giant Defy Advanced Zero XL frame with the bulk of its parts to endeavor on a full independent build. After a year of searching, I cannot find a replacement fork, or a good headset here in the US. I'm expanding my search to community channels hoping that the manufacturer or fellow riders can help steer me in the right direction.
I have a 2007 OCR 1. Recently did upgrades/replacements of chain, deraileur, brakes and cables. Kind of sorry I did now cant justify a new bike. Are the new bikes that much better?
Every company has some chart or test to say they have the best bikes. But Giant ,Specialized & Trek all have had winners on their bikes win at the Tour De France,Paris Roubaix and every other major race in the world. . They all make great bikes. It's what ever bike that fits you. I ride a 2013 Specialized Roubaix Sport and a Trek Marlin Mtb with many upgrades on both. I'm just a recreational cyclist but I've still put 5400miles on my Roubaix just casual riding. Their zerts gimmick works good for a comfy ride and I've heard good things about Trek's Domane too.
I just own a new Defy 1 2015 and belive me there are 2 great things about this bike 1 is compilance is much different than any other bike the dfuse seat post works great and all frame geometry and the other is the powercore the bb is 1 cm thiner so the peddling is like a little bit harder you have to use lower gears but transmission feels so different than any other bike you can hear harder the sound of tires on pedal stroke i just recommend to buy the smaller frame you can handle for a better expirience
So let me get this straight, Giant used a medium sized frame tested against a 56cm frame from all of the competition? A 56cm frame from Cannondale, Trek and Specialized equates to their large size, not medium as stated in the video. Plus after comparing the Defy geometry against the geometry of a Roubaix, it looks as though a Large Defy frame has the most similar reach and stack height figures. This means that Giant used a frame in their tests that was two sizes smaller than the competition, given that they have a M/L size between their medium and large sizes. So the measured weight of their frame is no direct comparison because a smaller frame is lighter. Furthermore, the stiffness of their frame cannot be compared because a smaller frame is stiffer! This is why Specialized introduced their rider-first engineered Tarmac, because their smaller sizes were too stiff, and their larger sizes less so. A longer tube is easier to flex, so Giant could easily have done this intentionally to put themselves on top, which would be disgraceful, even if they hadn't felt the need to attack Specialized and Trek by calling them 'gimmicky'.
***** If you think there's no B.S. there I'd be interested to know where you think my argument above is wrong. I'm obviously out of step with almost everything we're told on this subject, but no-one seems to be able to give me a technical explanation of how I'm wrong.
Don't missunderstand me, I'm not looking for an argument. I'm simply surprised that when I'm contradicting what everyone seems to believe about laterally stiff frames saving you energy, no-one seems to want to debate the subject. If there is a flaw in my argument I'd genuinely like to know. Thanks for replying.
***** ... Nearly this entire video is BS marketing, facts wouldn't need to call other bike manufacturers as gimmicks or other bikes who end up being stiffer as 'well... humans can't achieve that, we're optimum.' That's pure BS and if you can't see it, well, it just works on you.
+RideGiantBicycles What bike would you all recommend to a 45 year old 'returning' novice? The last time I road raced was in high school. My wallet can afford the 2016 Defy 1 with its $1,659 CDN price tag. But it's Aluminium & Carbon (Composite). Or should search the sofa for change and go with the 2016 Defy Advanced 1, all Carbon (Composite) option with its $2,649 CDN cost? Please note, I have no desire nor ability to race in the Tour de France ;)
Based only on personal experience suggest always a sportif frame (we are not as young as we used to be so it pays to place comfort as a top priority rather than pure race pedigree) with a minimum of carbon forks but most importantly a frame size that matches your height, first is inside leg then consider torso length, your local bike shop can make sure you get the right size of handlebar tube. If you find you are suffering from shoulder blade pain (like you've been at your desk too long your body is in tension and you are not cycling in a relaxed geometry - there is an army of MAMILS out there happy to help and advise). Absolutely get yourself a good pair of padded cycling shorts, I even wear padded cycling underpants to wear as my seat bones do suffer but if it's the only thing spend good money on the right saddle. I have a Giant Defy Advanced Carbon from 2014 and really REALLY like it but the Aluux frame model is also excellent, Giant are class leaders in Aluminium frame technology and make frames for loads of other manufacturers. The Defy is a very good sportif frame geometry, aim for the Shimano 105 Groupset, it's as good as you could realistically need (defy 2), try to get in to peddle clips as you can really benefit from the added benefit of the upstroke when peddling, a speedometer is also good or use something like Mapmywalk etc to keep a track of your efforts. Lastly, if you go for the Aluxx Defy, you will have change to get a mid level Cube Aim MTB or similar hardtail to take on the trails when the weather is rubbish (like it always is in Wales) so as not to give you an excuse not to go out on your bike. Good luck my friend and enjoy - it's way better than golf!
Any company that cuts down another one loses my respect. Stand on your own merit. Makes Giant sound envious. I'll definitely be buying more Specialized. The Zertz works great on my Roubaix at soaking up bumps. They outsource too much to China anyway,
I'd happily bet they actually bought at least 3 bikes from each main competitor, and then just picked the "best" bike from each competitor that their stats beat.
I’m enjoying the bike so far th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
Ling hong kit I'm sure he'd call countervail as a gimmick as well. Zertz reduces high frequency vibrations, Isospeed reduces big and small hits, countervail reduces a wider array of frequencies... it's all stuff that works and stuff that Jon Swanson will blast with no proof what-so-ever.
+OhAiShare I ride a Giant Defy Advanced and agree with you. The Zertz inserts on the Roubaix and especially the Diverge are for real. I just found them unnecessary for me at this time, and my budget. I think dollar for dollar Giant tops Specialized, but that is no reason to mock Specialized. I can't imagine a person alive riding the Diverge Pro and not walking away amazed, as I was.
3:00 100 grams!!!!!! What are they thinking! Now I won't be able to sprint my fat-ass to the local DD to get my bakers dozen of sugar-coated tractor wheels! Ahhhh shit.
Good product but, well if your a baseball pitcher you dont beat up the other teams pitcher to win. You pitch a better game. Like the product but I found this presentation in poor taste.
I started liking the objective approach but at the end is a direct punch to the other brands. Does not reflect well on the presentation. I don't see any gimics on a Cannondale frame. Actually was deciding among the Defy and the Synapse. Bought the Synapse and it is a bliss. Actually thought that the stays of the Defy are very similar to the BMC gran fondo, and did not like that it looks like a copy. The Synapse looks more genuine and they have brought to the industry the BB30, and the hourglass stays, and the flex on the seatpost tube, and early adoption of carbon, and disc brakes. What innovations has Giant brought to the table?
Doesn't sound convincing and impact with those numbers. Can we get Adam Craig with beers to tell the whole stories again? I bet he'll do the better job. Cheers :)
This guy is a prickly hack. I tend to agree with simplistic, utilitarian design, but you provided zero proof that Trek and the Specialized approach is erroneous. I simply don't like the concept of Trek or the Specialized approach, but I may be dead wrong. Personally, I like BMC.
If you take one of the components such as a crank and polish it round, then sandblast it so it has a matt finish, then paint it all sexy, people will buy your bike. Maybe not the hardcore aficionados, but the masses. GIANT builds bikes to pander to that mentality although like this video, they like to promote themselves as a technical company so they can sell $1500. price points and up. But the frame, cranks, and other OBVIOUS parts are NOT what really matter, they are only... the obvious and showy parts... what GIANT doesn't address are the BEARINGS, the RACES, the CONES, the BALLS, the SEALS etc etc... in other words, the pieces that Chinese devices usually ignore and so FAIL! as if designed to do so. Buy a battery powered screw driver made in China, the first thing to fail will not be the injection molded orange plastic or even the handle or spindle.... IT'S THE DETAILS, the things YOU as an American have a traditional belief system in that they are adequate quality and replaceable. Chinese mass market manufactures like GIANT make 'look alike' products that when you first confront them, seem as good as anything 'out there', but go ahead and ask GIANT about the sphericity and hardness of their bearing races and the construction and availability of their SEALS! ...right.
Giant you make good bikes. But calling good technology a "gimmick" 5 times in a video is plain dumb. Bad mouthing about competitors and also clearly saying "Complete inadequacy of the bike as a performance Machine" based on some compliance test you guys came up with. You guys just said the Cannondale bike sucks, ours is better, and we have proof, here are the results of the test we came up with, their bike has great compliance but has no stiffness. You guys already make so much money by manufacturing bikes for other brands and have a good market share, I don't see why you had to fall so low and lie to customers about your competitors just to sell one bike. I don't know which idiot came up with the Idea for this video, and for the things mentioned in it. I hope Cannondale, Trek and Specialized sue you guys for this, because I don't think everything mentioned in that video is legal regardless of whether it is true or false (the test results are probably false, and gimmick thing definitely is).
How are they "lying to customers" exactly? The systems that some brands use (such as Specialized's Zertz) are absolutely gimmicks, even by definition. It's a 'special' feature that you obviously won't find on a competitor's bike, that makes it stand out, but actually gives little real world benefits to the user. Just look at the results. The two brands who use the gimmicks (Trek and Specialized) get the worst compliance results, but they will continue to use them, purely as a selling point. It's easier to sell a feature people can see, like rubber dampers embedded in the frame, even if they don't perform as well (which they don't) than it is to sell superior engineering that you can't really 'see' as such. Check out this page from back in 2009 on Specialized's website. They compare their frames to other brands but conveniently only compare the frame compliance to two other bikes rather than including all of the others. I wonder why... www.specialized.com/bc/microsite/fact/testing.html#/stiffness-and-vertical-compliance
it's call marketing , competition etc etc !!! Not lying if you don't understand business them keep it to yourself and by the way giant make really good bikes i own one and love it . previews bikes cannondale , trek , spec sworks .
"Pedaling stiffness is about forward efficiency." He's either a very poor engineer or just trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Lateral flex in the bottom bracket area of a frame is the result of the pedals being outboard cantilevers. Some of the energy you are putting into the bike is obviously therefore acting laterally on that area and the result is flexing of the frame. If you stiffen the frame then obviously it will flex less in response to the same energy, but it is foolish to think that therefore the energy was not expended. If you think this is difficult to visualise then imagine picking up a stick with a hand at each end and flexing it as hard as you can. Now pick up a stiffer stick and repeat. It flexes less, obviously, but you expended the same amount of energy. Back to the bike. You can only save any of this energy by minimising the "Q-factor", i.e. adjust your shoes to be as close as possible to the cranks. Another good thought experiment is to imagine your pedals mounted at the end of, say, 30cm spindles. The bottom bracket area of the frame would flex so far under your pedalling effort that you'd probably snap the frame. There are of course benefits to a laterally stiff frame but "all your energy going into forward motion" is not one.
+Derek Biggerstaff You're right in the sense that it's BS marketing. You're wrong in the science and especially your example part. You don't seem to understand what "expended" means in that kind of system. If a frame is super stiff, the energy transfers further down the line, even if off axis. With a bike it ultimately ends up with a bit of heat, a bit of deformation but the ideal is that even with the angular loss some of the off axis energy still makes it through the cassette. A stiffer bike virtually always transfers more power to the cassette assuming same geometry. The whole point in making the bottom bracket super stiff is to prevent any angular deformation resulting in bigger drivetrain losses if the crank is pulled off the proper chain line, thus allowing the most efficient transfer of energy from the pedals to the ground. Your stick example is really silly and wrong. As the amount of pressure you get on the termination side of the stick is vastly different when comparing both sticks. "It's foolish to think that therefore the energy was not expanded." It is expended, by the heat generated and the deformation in the bending of the stick. Additionally, this example has nothing to do with off axis torque on a pedal anyway as it's not in any kind of locked in system like a bike pedal is so you can't achieve much off axis torque without destroying the system anyway.
+Derek Biggerstaff When you use completely flawed science as your example it kinda kills any level of credibility. My evidence is in some basic science understanding how bending an object expends energy and understanding of sources of drivetrain loss. They're pretty simple concepts, you can look em up. There's obviously more going on, but those two simple science factors will show you how off your stick comparison is and how poor your overall understanding of the law of energy conservation is. No reason to go into the micro when you can't understand the macro. But it's not like you've provided any of the evidence you're now demanding. So you're obviously going to believe what you like regardless.
This video is so wrong. What I suggest to consumers, go and try out the bikes. What you'll realise is that the complete opposite of what this video says is the truth. This comes from personal experience of testing these bikes. Domane, synapse, defy, roubaix thats the order of smoothness thru my butt. Stiffness, I couldnt tell a difference. So giant, aggressively promoting your products just makes you look like an idiot.
I dont think the video is wrong, I think you are entitled to an opinion....some might list the bikes differently than you did...to each their own. I don't think anyone is an "idiot"
+AnthonyJ1167 Erm Giant are an OEM manufacturer! They win regardless of what bike you choose. They hold contracts for Trek ,Bontrager, BMC, Willier, Bianchi, Cannondale and Scott as well as offering spec bikes for Hoy, Halfords, Boardman and Fuji. They also provide the carbon to Merida (who make Specialized bikes) and to Ten-Tech Composites (who have manufactured Cervelo bikes for over a decade and recently some Scott models). If a component of your bike is marked "Made in Taiwan" you can almost guaranty Giant where involved somewhere along the line. For some years Pinarello tried to pretend they made bikes in Italy by painting the raw frames but even they have given up the charade now.
Its cool that you do some testing and present information whether it is selective or not but stop mocking other brands please! When you hit below the belt I lose respect for your brand.
I like Giant bikes - but this guy has just laughed at me spending £2k on a Trek. This alone has stopped my buying my son a £900 Defy 1 - he'll get a Domane or Roubaix instead. Boast about your own achievements, don't put others down. BTW the Trek IsoSpeed decoupler works!
Every company has some chart or test to say they have the best bikes. But Giant ,Specialized & Trek all have had winners on their bikes win at the Tour De France,Paris Roubaix and every other major race in the world. . They all make great bikes. It's what ever bike that fits you. I ride a 2013 Specialized Roubaix Sport and a Trek Marlin Mtb with many upgrades on both. I'm just a recreational cyclist but I've still put 5400miles on my Roubaix just casual riding. Their zerts gimmick works good for a comfy ride and I've heard good things about Trek's Domane too.
Recently purchased a Defy Advanced 2. Really enjoying it and admire the stiffness of the frame.
"We purchase competitors frames from local shops" I chuckled at that. More like "we look at our competitors cad designed they sent us to build for them"
Andy J they build it and weigh it... no need to purchase. lol
Great video! I've been riding my same old specialized for 16 years now. Time to upgrade)) over the past year or so I've been dreaming of buying a Giant just need to save a little more. I can't wait!!))
Excellent tech presentation, no bs anywhere in this, very clear and information rich. A+.
0:39 shots fucking fired at specialized and trek
omg Giant is just so awesome! Plan on purchasing one soon, very soon!
the problem with my giant tcr is that its not stiff near the fork. I can actually feel flex in that area so not sure if its just a bad fork/bearings or the fact that its not reinforced in that area. Good to hear that they added beef to this region hopefully that solves that issue.
As a 50 yr old rd cyclist... this is a serious good sportif bike for entry level & intermediate rides 👍🚴🏻
I own two SL level Giant bikes, but I totally disagree that Trek's Domane is a gimmick. The Domane frame is incredibly effective at soaking up bumps.
i´ve bought a giant defy 3 compact about 3 months ago, and it´s AMAZING. Of course it´s not the bike of the bikes but it´s great for the price it is. I´m now saving some money for the Propel Advanced 1, maybe in February or March I´ll put my hands on it. My friends say Giant sucks, but they don´t know nothing, they ride Specialized and Trek
What the different between 2015 and 2016 model other that the paint job?
This is a good video and I appreciate it, facts are good to know. The people complaining are just mad at themselves for not buying a Giant.
will it fit a size 30 or 32 tires ? pls im dying to know coz i was aimng to buy a anyroad comax before but if the defy will fit a ssize 30 0r 32 its bike i willgo for coz i love everything about the defy advanve 2 ,
Looking to buy this bike in the next couple of days, but questioning the QR axle on the front. Did you get any pinging on the disc under load or cornering? Due to fork twist.
Do you have a presentation on Giant Contend SL 2 disc- MRD 2017? Much appreciated .
I need some help here, I picked up a flawless Giant Defy Advanced Zero XL frame with the bulk of its parts to endeavor on a full independent build. After a year of searching, I cannot find a replacement fork, or a good headset here in the US. I'm expanding my search to community channels hoping that the manufacturer or fellow riders can help steer me in the right direction.
I have a 2007 OCR 1. Recently did upgrades/replacements of chain, deraileur, brakes and cables. Kind of sorry I did now cant justify a new bike. Are the new bikes that much better?
what's the weight limit on the defy series? anyone know? looked all over (the Internet.) and can't find anything on weight limits.
When is the 2016 version of this coming?
Every company has some chart or test to say they have the best bikes. But Giant ,Specialized & Trek all have had winners on their bikes win at the Tour De France,Paris Roubaix and every other major race in the world. . They all make great bikes. It's what ever bike that fits you. I ride a 2013 Specialized Roubaix Sport and a Trek Marlin Mtb with many upgrades on both. I'm just a recreational cyclist but I've still put 5400miles on my Roubaix just casual riding. Their zerts gimmick works good for a comfy ride and I've heard good things about Trek's Domane too.
When. Will be aviable to buy .?
How do you guys stand up to the Scott Solace?
I just own a new Defy 1 2015 and belive me there are 2 great things about this bike
1 is compilance is much different than any other bike the dfuse seat post works great and all frame geometry and the other is the powercore the bb is 1 cm thiner so the peddling is like a little bit harder you have to use lower gears but transmission feels so different than any other bike you can hear harder the sound of tires on pedal stroke i just recommend to buy the smaller frame you can handle for a better expirience
So let me get this straight, Giant used a medium sized frame tested against a 56cm frame from all of the competition? A 56cm frame from Cannondale, Trek and Specialized equates to their large size, not medium as stated in the video. Plus after comparing the Defy geometry against the geometry of a Roubaix, it looks as though a Large Defy frame has the most similar reach and stack height figures. This means that Giant used a frame in their tests that was two sizes smaller than the competition, given that they have a M/L size between their medium and large sizes. So the measured weight of their frame is no direct comparison because a smaller frame is lighter. Furthermore, the stiffness of their frame cannot be compared because a smaller frame is stiffer! This is why Specialized introduced their rider-first engineered Tarmac, because their smaller sizes were too stiff, and their larger sizes less so. A longer tube is easier to flex, so Giant could easily have done this intentionally to put themselves on top, which would be disgraceful, even if they hadn't felt the need to attack Specialized and Trek by calling them 'gimmicky'.
Make one of these test just with aero models
Whats the difference between the Defy and TCR?
just asked my mechanic this question earlier; defy is more comfortable while the TCR has more of a race geometry
+Jaime Cola surely that comfort level is down to body size and preference as apposed to bike size?
The avail for women......AWESOME!!!!!!! Love love my bike 😉😊
I've got the defy 2. It's great!
***** I was thinking about getting the DEFY 2 as my first road bike.
Still waiting for my 2016 TCR sl, from my LBS.....
thanks sir, sir u'r cool, u remind me to ranger white on mighty morphin power ranger...
defy advanced pro 1 looks cool
I love this no BS marketing. Cut through the crap and get straight to the facts
***** If you think there's no B.S. there I'd be interested to know where you think my argument above is wrong. I'm obviously out of step with almost everything we're told on this subject, but no-one seems to be able to give me a technical explanation of how I'm wrong.
Derek Biggerstaff I dont really understand why you want to have an argument when you basically answer your own question.
Don't missunderstand me, I'm not looking for an argument. I'm simply surprised that when I'm contradicting what everyone seems to believe about laterally stiff frames saving you energy, no-one seems to want to debate the subject. If there is a flaw in my argument I'd genuinely like to know.
Thanks for replying.
Derek Biggerstaff I'd also like to know if anyone just agrees with me.
***** ... Nearly this entire video is BS marketing, facts wouldn't need to call other bike manufacturers as gimmicks or other bikes who end up being stiffer as 'well... humans can't achieve that, we're optimum.' That's pure BS and if you can't see it, well, it just works on you.
+RideGiantBicycles What bike would you all recommend to a 45 year old 'returning' novice? The last time I road raced was in high school. My wallet can afford the 2016 Defy 1 with its $1,659 CDN price tag. But it's Aluminium & Carbon (Composite). Or should search the sofa for change and go with the 2016 Defy Advanced 1, all Carbon (Composite) option with its $2,649 CDN cost? Please note, I have no desire nor ability to race in the Tour de France ;)
Based only on personal experience suggest always a sportif frame (we are not as young as we used to be so it pays to place comfort as a top priority rather than pure race pedigree) with a minimum of carbon forks but most importantly a frame size that matches your height, first is inside leg then consider torso length, your local bike shop can make sure you get the right size of handlebar tube. If you find you are suffering from shoulder blade pain (like you've been at your desk too long your body is in tension and you are not cycling in a relaxed geometry - there is an army of MAMILS out there happy to help and advise). Absolutely get yourself a good pair of padded cycling shorts, I even wear padded cycling underpants to wear as my seat bones do suffer but if it's the only thing spend good money on the right saddle. I have a Giant Defy Advanced Carbon from 2014 and really REALLY like it but the Aluux frame model is also excellent, Giant are class leaders in Aluminium frame technology and make frames for loads of other manufacturers. The Defy is a very good sportif frame geometry, aim for the Shimano 105 Groupset, it's as good as you could realistically need (defy 2), try to get in to peddle clips as you can really benefit from the added benefit of the upstroke when peddling, a speedometer is also good or use something like Mapmywalk etc to keep a track of your efforts. Lastly, if you go for the Aluxx Defy, you will have change to get a mid level Cube Aim MTB or similar hardtail to take on the trails when the weather is rubbish (like it always is in Wales) so as not to give you an excuse not to go out on your bike. Good luck my friend and enjoy - it's way better than golf!
Any company that cuts down another one loses my respect. Stand on your own merit. Makes Giant sound envious. I'll definitely be buying more Specialized. The Zertz works great on my Roubaix at soaking up bumps. They outsource too much to China anyway,
+Patrick McCombie I think Giant is the frame manufacturer for Trek and Specialized.
+Earmuffin585 . Trek frame r made by Giant but Specialized frames are made by Merida bike factory......
Surprised I don't see durianrider here.
Lol Ikr
I'd happily bet they actually bought at least 3 bikes from each main competitor, and then just picked the "best" bike from each competitor that their stats beat.
Domane ain't no gimmick, Giant. Overdrive 2, etc... are.
I’m enjoying the bike so far th-cam.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA My only real complaints are the brakes and the pedals. I feel like a bike designed for bigger people should have much larger pedals and more heavy duty brakes. I’ve only gotten two really good rides out of it, minimal downhill action, and the brakes feel like they’re already going out. A larger person has more momentum, so I think this wasn’t thought through very well. Also, I wear size 13-14 wide shoes. My feet cramp up on these pedals that are clearly made for smaller feet. Since I’m not a pro rider (and I don’t think many are who purchase this bike) I don’t think that the straps on the pedal are necessary at all. None of this takes away from the enjoyment I get from riding, however. I’ll just head to a bike shop to improve on a few things.
giant from taiwan
Why the Bianchi Infinito CV is not in the chart? It also dosen't use those so called 'gimmicks'.
Ling hong kit I'm sure he'd call countervail as a gimmick as well. Zertz reduces high frequency vibrations, Isospeed reduces big and small hits, countervail reduces a wider array of frequencies... it's all stuff that works and stuff that Jon Swanson will blast with no proof what-so-ever.
+OhAiShare I ride a Giant Defy Advanced and agree with you. The Zertz inserts on the Roubaix and especially the Diverge are for real. I just found them unnecessary for me at this time, and my budget. I think dollar for dollar Giant tops Specialized, but that is no reason to mock Specialized. I can't imagine a person alive riding the Diverge Pro and not walking away amazed, as I was.
3:00 100 grams!!!!!! What are they thinking! Now I won't be able to sprint my fat-ass to the local DD to get my bakers dozen of sugar-coated tractor wheels! Ahhhh shit.
those disk brake looks like it's gonna be painful for even a simple puncture repair...but then I am not all that handy
Good product but, well if your a baseball pitcher you dont beat up the other teams pitcher to win. You pitch a better game. Like the product but I found this presentation in poor taste.
I started liking the objective approach but at the end is a direct punch to the other brands. Does not reflect well on the presentation. I don't see any gimics on a Cannondale frame. Actually was deciding among the Defy and the Synapse. Bought the Synapse and it is a bliss. Actually thought that the stays of the Defy are very similar to the BMC gran fondo, and did not like that it looks like a copy. The Synapse looks more genuine and they have brought to the industry the BB30, and the hourglass stays, and the flex on the seatpost tube, and early adoption of carbon, and disc brakes. What innovations has Giant brought to the table?
Can I have one of these for free 😀 honestly I will look after it... You can have my well loved tcr in its place ☺️
Doesn't sound convincing and impact with those numbers.
Can we get Adam Craig with beers to tell the whole stories again? I bet he'll do the better job. Cheers :)
Please make the bike with Thruaxles..
No thruaxles with discs, no purchase.
Why are you comparing a Medium sized Giant frame with a large sized frame from your competitors? Shameful marketing IMO
This guy is a prickly hack. I tend to agree with simplistic, utilitarian design, but you provided zero proof that Trek and the Specialized approach is erroneous.
I simply don't like the concept of Trek or the Specialized approach, but I may be dead wrong.
Personally, I like BMC.
My defy advanced 1 2016 model after just 9000 km seat stay cracked
If you take one of the components such as a crank and polish it round, then sandblast it so it has a matt finish, then paint it all sexy, people will buy your bike. Maybe not the hardcore aficionados, but the masses. GIANT builds bikes to pander to that mentality although like this video, they like to promote themselves as a technical company so they can sell $1500. price points and up. But the frame, cranks, and other OBVIOUS parts are NOT what really matter, they are only... the obvious and showy parts... what GIANT doesn't address are the BEARINGS, the RACES, the CONES, the BALLS, the SEALS etc etc... in other words, the pieces that Chinese devices usually ignore and so FAIL! as if designed to do so. Buy a battery powered screw driver made in China, the first thing to fail will not be the injection molded orange plastic or even the handle or spindle.... IT'S THE DETAILS, the things YOU as an American have a traditional belief system in that they are adequate quality and replaceable. Chinese mass market manufactures like GIANT make 'look alike' products that when you first confront them, seem as good as anything 'out there', but go ahead and ask GIANT about the sphericity and hardness of their bearing races and the construction and availability of their SEALS! ...right.
Giant you make good bikes. But calling good technology a "gimmick" 5 times in a video is plain dumb. Bad mouthing about competitors and also clearly saying "Complete inadequacy of the bike as a performance Machine" based on some compliance test you guys came up with. You guys just said the Cannondale bike sucks, ours is better, and we have proof, here are the results of the test we came up with, their bike has great compliance but has no stiffness. You guys already make so much money by manufacturing bikes for other brands and have a good market share, I don't see why you had to fall so low and lie to customers about your competitors just to sell one bike. I don't know which idiot came up with the Idea for this video, and for the things mentioned in it. I hope Cannondale, Trek and Specialized sue you guys for this, because I don't think everything mentioned in that video is legal regardless of whether it is true or false (the test results are probably false, and gimmick thing definitely is).
How are they "lying to customers" exactly? The systems that some brands use (such as Specialized's Zertz) are absolutely gimmicks, even by definition. It's a 'special' feature that you obviously won't find on a competitor's bike, that makes it stand out, but actually gives little real world benefits to the user. Just look at the results. The two brands who use the gimmicks (Trek and Specialized) get the worst compliance results, but they will continue to use them, purely as a selling point. It's easier to sell a feature people can see, like rubber dampers embedded in the frame, even if they don't perform as well (which they don't) than it is to sell superior engineering that you can't really 'see' as such.
Check out this page from back in 2009 on Specialized's website. They compare their frames to other brands but conveniently only compare the frame compliance to two other bikes rather than including all of the others. I wonder why...
www.specialized.com/bc/microsite/fact/testing.html#/stiffness-and-vertical-compliance
it's call marketing , competition etc etc !!! Not lying if you don't understand business them keep it to yourself and by the way giant make really good bikes i own one and love it . previews bikes cannondale , trek , spec sworks .
"Pedaling stiffness is about forward efficiency." He's either a very poor engineer or just trying to pull the wool over our eyes. Lateral flex in the bottom bracket area of a frame is the result of the pedals being outboard cantilevers. Some of the energy you are putting into the bike is obviously therefore acting laterally on that area and the result is flexing of the frame. If you stiffen the frame then obviously it will flex less in response to the same energy, but it is foolish to think that therefore the energy was not expended. If you think this is difficult to visualise then imagine picking up a stick with a hand at each end and flexing it as hard as you can. Now pick up a stiffer stick and repeat. It flexes less, obviously, but you expended the same amount of energy. Back to the bike. You can only save any of this energy by minimising the "Q-factor", i.e. adjust your shoes to be as close as possible to the cranks. Another good thought experiment is to imagine your pedals mounted at the end of, say, 30cm spindles. The bottom bracket area of the frame would flex so far under your pedalling effort that you'd probably snap the frame. There are of course benefits to a laterally stiff frame but "all your energy going into forward motion" is not one.
+Derek Biggerstaff You're right in the sense that it's BS marketing. You're wrong in the science and especially your example part. You don't seem to understand what "expended" means in that kind of system. If a frame is super stiff, the energy transfers further down the line, even if off axis. With a bike it ultimately ends up with a bit of heat, a bit of deformation but the ideal is that even with the angular loss some of the off axis energy still makes it through the cassette. A stiffer bike virtually always transfers more power to the cassette assuming same geometry. The whole point in making the bottom bracket super stiff is to prevent any angular deformation resulting in bigger drivetrain losses if the crank is pulled off the proper chain line, thus allowing the most efficient transfer of energy from the pedals to the ground.
Your stick example is really silly and wrong. As the amount of pressure you get on the termination side of the stick is vastly different when comparing both sticks. "It's foolish to think that therefore the energy was not expanded." It is expended, by the heat generated and the deformation in the bending of the stick. Additionally, this example has nothing to do with off axis torque on a pedal anyway as it's not in any kind of locked in system like a bike pedal is so you can't achieve much off axis torque without destroying the system anyway.
+OhAiShare Assertions, no evidence.
+Derek Biggerstaff
When you use completely flawed science as your example it kinda kills any level of credibility. My evidence is in some basic science understanding how bending an object expends energy and understanding of sources of drivetrain loss. They're pretty simple concepts, you can look em up. There's obviously more going on, but those two simple science factors will show you how off your stick comparison is and how poor your overall understanding of the law of energy conservation is. No reason to go into the micro when you can't understand the macro. But it's not like you've provided any of the evidence you're now demanding. So you're obviously going to believe what you like regardless.
OhAiShare My example was intentionally simple but in what respect is it wrong? I'd genuinely be interested to know.
This video is so wrong. What I suggest to consumers, go and try out the bikes. What you'll realise is that the complete opposite of what this video says is the truth. This comes from personal experience of testing these bikes. Domane, synapse, defy, roubaix thats the order of smoothness thru my butt. Stiffness, I couldnt tell a difference. So giant, aggressively promoting your products just makes you look like an idiot.
I dont think the video is wrong, I think you are entitled to an opinion....some might list the bikes differently than you did...to each their own. I don't think anyone is an "idiot"
Lol. Trek, Specialized, and Cannondale must have pissed (and probably shat) in this dudes corn flakes.
Nothing says a product is pretty good like a competitor trying hard to discredit it.
Specialized & Trek are winning, Giant is whining.
+AnthonyJ1167 Erm Giant are an OEM manufacturer! They win regardless of what bike you choose. They hold contracts for Trek ,Bontrager, BMC, Willier, Bianchi, Cannondale and Scott as well as offering spec bikes for Hoy, Halfords, Boardman and Fuji. They also provide the carbon to Merida (who make Specialized bikes) and to Ten-Tech Composites (who have manufactured Cervelo bikes for over a decade and recently some Scott models). If a component of your bike is marked "Made in Taiwan" you can almost guaranty Giant where involved somewhere along the line. For some years Pinarello tried to pretend they made bikes in Italy by painting the raw frames but even they have given up the charade now.
Its cool that you do some testing and present information whether it is selective or not but stop mocking other brands please! When you hit below the belt I lose respect for your brand.
I like Giant bikes - but this guy has just laughed at me spending £2k on a Trek. This alone has stopped my buying my son a £900 Defy 1 - he'll get a Domane or Roubaix instead. Boast about your own achievements, don't put others down. BTW the Trek IsoSpeed decoupler works!
that blue is ugly
Every company has some chart or test to say they have the best bikes. But Giant ,Specialized & Trek all have had winners on their bikes win at the Tour De France,Paris Roubaix and every other major race in the world. . They all make great bikes. It's what ever bike that fits you. I ride a 2013 Specialized Roubaix Sport and a Trek Marlin Mtb with many upgrades on both. I'm just a recreational cyclist but I've still put 5400miles on my Roubaix just casual riding. Their zerts gimmick works good for a comfy ride and I've heard good things about Trek's Domane too.