Good review. If the reach is 5mm longer vs older model would going down a frame size be a good plan to get same reach? Surprised nobody’s (even giant) is make much fuss over the improve aerodynamics. It’s clearly more aero than the last one, integrated cables for one. I’m not sure why all reviewers get hold of the top of the range model to review that nobody can afford or will ever buy. Why not review the model that the bulk of your followers will be able to afford and buy? Would make the review much more relevant.
I am having serious buyer's remorse. I bought at 2023 Defy Advanced Pro 1 mid-summer. I actually asked the Giant dealer if I should wait for the 2024 and he told me they weren't changing anything. Had I waited I would have a lighter bike, a cheaper bike (I had to spend $800 on a power meter that's now standard and there was no price increase on the 2024), and fully integrated cables. :(
For all these reasons is exactly why I recently ordered the Defy Advanced Pro 0. Also considered the Canyon CF SLX, but considering it's in Germany(I'm Canada), so many poor end user reviews, and the fixed stem, the Giant won out. Prices were similar once the Canyon was shipped to Canada, so that factor evened itself out. Looking forward to the new ride!!!
If I would want the frameset I would build it up myself. No hookless rimms and probably Sram Force AXS. This frameset has some nice colours and it shows how the new TCR will probably look like.
I have the 2023 Defy and i love the bike not the lightest but handling and comfort i find outstanding and the price of giant bikes are very competitive.
If they can just make the cable routing internal or better still-semi internal with separate stem and bars and fit hooked wheels that would be as close to perfect as it gets
Thank you for taking the time to put this together. I am looking at an eventual upgrade to my 2020 Diverge Expert, which now sports the Force etap group with a 10-50 cassette. It's kind of a heavy dude compared to today's offerings, even though it's a lot more comfy than my 2001 Cannondale R4000, which I actually outfitted with 28mm tires, defying the bike shop owner's recommendation, and he admitted I was right. I was limiting myself to looking at S-Works stuff, specifically the Crux or Roubaix. I must say I like the SRAM etap Force setup, and its self-adjusting via the phone app is a phenomenal advantage for this old boomer. The weight is similar to both Campy and Shimano's offerings, and it's cheaper by a decent bit. I especially like the decreased weight. Has anyone else ridden one of these Giant Defy frames? I don't even know of a dealer here in western Virginia. Thank you again for this review. I learned a lot, even though I did not apprehend all of the words due to the rapid and strong accent. Ride on, people!
The review is about the top of the range model. What about the entry level advanced pro and the advanced pro models? As far as I can see there is a significant price increase with minimal changes (the handle bar). I don't think this is a good strategy. I hope you can review these models and provide us with you insights. Thanks.
The new Endurace is pretty expensive2023 CF SLX and CFR modells, and even top CFR version frame weight is heavier then 3rd tier base modell Defy. Also frame geo is very strange on Canyon, like 540mm long top tube for XS frame, etc.
@@Gianniz27 I was comparing the specs & prices to certain models, for example Canyon CF SLX 7 with 105 Di2 for $5,700 compared to the Defy Advanced Pro 1 with Di2 $6,500. The Endurace CF7 with 105 mechanical is $3,100, the Defy Advanced 2 with 105 mechanical is $3,800. I'm sorry, for $4K (after adding pedals, accessories, etc) for a bike with 105 mechanical, it's too much. Years ago bikes with 105 mechanical were around the $2,500 - $3K mark.
I always wonder why giant includes a seat. Probably more comfortable to sit on the seat post than any of their offerings while lowering the price of the bike. I have a 2016 defy advanced and its a great bike. This looks like its brought back up to date with this new version.
I like it, probably as much bike as most people will ever need and possibly a far better fit for most too. Can’t see them selling many of the top tier model at £11499 though 😱
Thanks for the review. I think the Di2 ULTEGRA 12 speed would be the best value compared to the new roubaix. It does look a very nice bike and the integrated cockpit gives a much cleaner look.
Lower headtube and longer reach. That must have been the pros input. Shame, that's what kills for me as a 'normal' rider. Merida Scultura Endurance it is then.
Wait...the stack is lower and the reach is longer? So they are just making it another race bike. Giant has ruined this model. I used to own the first year of the 2nd generation of this bike. The 2012 Defy Advanced 0. Test rode this, the Synapse and the Roubaix at the time. The Roubaix was just too flexible, the Synapse and the Defy were very similar and the Defy cost less for the same group so I got the Defy. Loved it for years. Finally it started to show its age so I wanted to upgrade. The 4th generation had just been released and I had my local shop get me the same size in the Defy Advanced Pro 0 (the Force AXS equipped bike). Man was I disappointed. The new bike just felt dead, and it was 1.6 lbs heavier than my old Defy (that was SRAM Red 10 equipped and was pretty light). I was hoping for this new version to have brought back the lively feel of the 2012 but as a now 50 year old non racer who has a 40 hr a week desk job...longer and lower is a losing proposition for me.
I was waiting for this to update my 2015 Defy and am similarly disappointed. If I wanted a race bike I’d buy a TCR… Now to see if I can get my hands on an old stock 22 or 23 model - they are last good ones. And they don’t have the dumb and annoying cables through the headset. RIP Defy - you used to be a wonderful gimmick free bike.
So make the wrong conclusion. If you add more spacers to reach the same effective stack the reach is decreased. I checked and adding 10mm spacer gives you exact the same effective reach and stack as the previous. Unless you already needed 30-40mm spacer on the old just adding 10mm you have the same setup
Why on earth increase the reach on an endurance bike. Tcr for going fast, more relaxed for endurance. Been listening to too many pros and not looking at who the actual end user is. Lol, it reminds me of when James May said one of the worst things with new cars is when the pr blurb said tuned on the nurburg ring. Going too racy,
I don’t like the rake on the front fork, obviously your toe will hit the front wheel when making a tight turn. I’ve run into this geometry gremlin before when purchasing gravel bikes for my bike shop.
I am - it’s a deal breaker for me. The aggressive geometry is bad enough, but cables through the headset is dumb as dog do and ruins shift feel for those of us not interested in electric gears. It’s a stupid fashion trend…
At 5:39 it appears that the rear wheel is way off dish to the right side by quite a bit, also the rear wheel appears that it's also not lined up with the seat tube, if the wheel is mounted correctly then the wheel and seat tube should be aligned as one. BTW: I'm old school, since the 70's a steel frame has been doing the job for me, no gimmicks and so on, if I can do 100 plus mile ride and still feeling fresh after that ride then what's the use for dropping almost 12K for a bike with a frame that will die well before one of my steel frames, one of which has survived well over 40K miles. My new old bike will be a 70's/80's modifide lugged steel track frame to road and it will be a screamer of a ride. Just my 2 cents.
It's all marketing my friends. Think about it, every year they say that this thing is 25% better and that thing is 43% better and so on. I mean , at some point it's got to be that it's reached 100% of how good it can be. It literally CAN'T be any better. It's like bike weight. If bikes continually got lighter and lighter for years on end, eventually they would weigh nothing.
Food for thought, manufacturers can make all the claims they want for the release of a new model but question is do they keep the manufacturing the same throughout the life of that model's production, or are there updates and changes made because of unforeseen problems, failures, and consumer complaints. I bet this bike would not be the same in a year or two. But marketing or the manufacturer is not going to mention anything about that.
@@RyonBeachner Watch the video again only this time listen to the marketing claims. No way to prove what the carbon layup is once the frame comes out of the oven. You think each and every worker is precisely planting all those pieces of cut fiber perfectly in the molds? Carbon manufacturing is a cheap process done with cheap unskilled labor when it comes to frame making. Getting me to pay thousands of dollars for a carbon frame is never going to happen. Four or five hundred maybe but no more.
@@RyonBeachner If that was true, and it can't be, all the more explaining the F ups. You're telling me that a suction cup can lay in a piece of soft carbon fabric that is woven full of air holes and gu. 🤣🤣
Man... You gotta hate cycling channels, should be mandatory to show the entry level model, the one that people actually buy, but no, they're always showing the hyper expensive bike nobody cares about, there's something wrong about cycling channels, they need to learn from automotive channels.
Endurance has been a well established category for many years now. Means more relaxed geometry, more comfort and more upright position on the bike. Gravel bikes are endurance bikes with more tyre clearance.
Good review. If the reach is 5mm longer vs older model would going down a frame size be a good plan to get same reach? Surprised nobody’s (even giant) is make much fuss over the improve aerodynamics. It’s clearly more aero than the last one, integrated cables for one. I’m not sure why all reviewers get hold of the top of the range model to review that nobody can afford or will ever buy. Why not review the model that the bulk of your followers will be able to afford and buy? Would make the review much more relevant.
I am having serious buyer's remorse. I bought at 2023 Defy Advanced Pro 1 mid-summer. I actually asked the Giant dealer if I should wait for the 2024 and he told me they weren't changing anything. Had I waited I would have a lighter bike, a cheaper bike (I had to spend $800 on a power meter that's now standard and there was no price increase on the 2024), and fully integrated cables. :(
You asked a bike dealer if he want´s to make a guaranteed sale right now or a probable sale in the future? What did you expect?
I bet you got the defy on sale though
Buyer's remorse is my speciality
For all these reasons is exactly why I recently ordered the Defy Advanced Pro 0. Also considered the Canyon CF SLX, but considering it's in Germany(I'm Canada), so many poor end user reviews, and the fixed stem, the Giant won out. Prices were similar once the Canyon was shipped to Canada, so that factor evened itself out. Looking forward to the new ride!!!
I am glad to see Giant going towards a more road oriented endurance bike vs. a gravel oriented bike. I like it!
More glad now giant made nice internal routing cable hehhehe just wait in TCR
If I would want the frameset I would build it up myself. No hookless rimms and probably Sram Force AXS. This frameset has some nice colours and it shows how the new TCR will probably look like.
Love the metallic paint on the top of the line model!
I have the 2023 Defy and i love the bike not the lightest but handling and comfort i find outstanding and the price of giant bikes are very competitive.
Can’t wait for the 2024 Tcr 🤞🏾
If they can just make the cable routing internal or better still-semi internal with separate stem and bars and fit hooked wheels that would be as close to perfect as it gets
so the new Defy is actually a more compliant TCR and the new Propel is a more aero TCR?
Haha, I was thinking the same. But, without those dropped seat stays, my TCR still has the looks.
A more compliant TCR is my dream bike 😉
"Wait, its all TCR?"
Giant: "Always was" *pulls trigger*
Thank you for taking the time to put this together. I am looking at an eventual upgrade to my 2020 Diverge Expert, which now sports the Force etap group with a 10-50 cassette. It's kind of a heavy dude compared to today's offerings, even though it's a lot more comfy than my 2001 Cannondale R4000, which I actually outfitted with 28mm tires, defying the bike shop owner's recommendation, and he admitted I was right. I was limiting myself to looking at S-Works stuff, specifically the Crux or Roubaix.
I must say I like the SRAM etap Force setup, and its self-adjusting via the phone app is a phenomenal advantage for this old boomer. The weight is similar to both Campy and Shimano's offerings, and it's cheaper by a decent bit. I especially like the decreased weight.
Has anyone else ridden one of these Giant Defy frames? I don't even know of a dealer here in western Virginia.
Thank you again for this review. I learned a lot, even though I did not apprehend all of the words due to the rapid and strong accent.
Ride on, people!
The size medium has the same stack as and a longer reach than my old Cervelo RCa and we're supposed to see that as "endurance" geometry now?
The review is about the top of the range model. What about the entry level advanced pro and the advanced pro models? As far as I can see there is a significant price increase with minimal changes (the handle bar). I don't think this is a good strategy. I hope you can review these models and provide us with you insights. Thanks.
I'm in Australia & just looked at the prices & specs. The new Canyon Endurace looks like far better value.
The new Endurace is pretty expensive2023 CF SLX and CFR modells, and even top CFR version frame weight is heavier then 3rd tier base modell Defy. Also frame geo is very strange on Canyon, like 540mm long top tube for XS frame, etc.
@@Gianniz27 I was comparing the specs & prices to certain models, for example Canyon CF SLX 7 with 105 Di2 for $5,700 compared to the Defy Advanced Pro 1 with Di2 $6,500. The Endurace CF7 with 105 mechanical is $3,100, the Defy Advanced 2 with 105 mechanical is $3,800. I'm sorry, for $4K (after adding pedals, accessories, etc) for a bike with 105 mechanical, it's too much. Years ago bikes with 105 mechanical were around the $2,500 - $3K mark.
@@LosihoTTT bikes have also unfortunately become too expensive
@@LosihoTTTgo have a look at mountain bike prices, if you want to feel ripped off. 😢
Nice looking bike! Will have to test the lower level ones when they're available.
Super honest assessment. Very helpful. Thank you.
and garmin mount included!
Thanks for the review! I’m looking forward to checking out & likely buying the Pro 0 with Ultegra DI2.
I always wonder why giant includes a seat. Probably more comfortable to sit on the seat post than any of their offerings while lowering the price of the bike.
I have a 2016 defy advanced and its a great bike. This looks like its brought back up to date with this new version.
Personally I would also prefer Dura-Ace and 50mm wheels. Might just be my next bike.
50mm? lol. Look at gravel, not endurance.
Depth not tire width!
Brilliant review and great presenter!
Is supplied set up tubeless or just tubeless ready with tubes ? Mech 105 12 spd for me ❤
Good review, thank you. I think the presenter is excellent.
Giants are good value
LOL
😂
I like it, probably as much bike as most people will ever need and possibly a far better fit for most too.
Can’t see them selling many of the top tier model at £11499 though 😱
GIANT price, too 😂
Thanks for the review. I think the Di2 ULTEGRA 12 speed would be the best value compared to the new roubaix. It does look a very nice bike and the integrated cockpit gives a much cleaner look.
Drop seat stays don't make a ride more "compliant" it makes the wheel disc to frame caliper fit more precise. Don't drink the cool aid.
The bike in the video is £11500 with an SL frame, how much does the normal frame/bike weigh that mere mortals will actually buy?
I agree about the top end spec of this bike. No one should be riding a dura-ace or paying $12000 for an endurance bike.
I like its new handlebar. I bought it for TCR.
Lower headtube and longer reach. That must have been the pros input. Shame, that's what kills for me as a 'normal' rider. Merida Scultura Endurance it is then.
That's a handsome bike for sure.
Great review!
Interesting. I saw a vid from Mapdec recently that showed you can build a top spec bike from frame only for less than manufacturers charge.
I’ll look for it, thanks
saddles are not good?
Hookless rims? No thank you.
Is this still an issue? Thought it had been resolved with new tubeless tyre standards?
What’s the size of the modèle presented in the vidéo ?
The seat post look round. Could I just pust this seat post on my bike and get more comfort as well?
The seat post is not round - its a D shape. Custom part - not compat w standard.
Like my defy , 105. I'm not seeing defy's prior sins as far as club and rec riding . There's a '23 pro ulterga on the site for value fyi
Going for more downforce with that Garmin mount? 😂
What size frame size in the video ?
im pretty sure its a size MED
Wat is het gewicht van de fiets?
When will it be available in the US?
What helmet is that? Looks good.
The front fork looks like it's barely attached to the axle
Whats up with the computer mount?
Haha saw that too, shocking aero gains there
Looking like too much reach for me. Anyone with a suggestion on a shorter reach bike?
Wait...the stack is lower and the reach is longer? So they are just making it another race bike. Giant has ruined this model. I used to own the first year of the 2nd generation of this bike. The 2012 Defy Advanced 0. Test rode this, the Synapse and the Roubaix at the time. The Roubaix was just too flexible, the Synapse and the Defy were very similar and the Defy cost less for the same group so I got the Defy. Loved it for years. Finally it started to show its age so I wanted to upgrade. The 4th generation had just been released and I had my local shop get me the same size in the Defy Advanced Pro 0 (the Force AXS equipped bike). Man was I disappointed. The new bike just felt dead, and it was 1.6 lbs heavier than my old Defy (that was SRAM Red 10 equipped and was pretty light). I was hoping for this new version to have brought back the lively feel of the 2012 but as a now 50 year old non racer who has a 40 hr a week desk job...longer and lower is a losing proposition for me.
I was waiting for this to update my 2015 Defy and am similarly disappointed. If I wanted a race bike I’d buy a TCR…
Now to see if I can get my hands on an old stock 22 or 23 model - they are last good ones. And they don’t have the dumb and annoying cables through the headset.
RIP Defy - you used to be a wonderful gimmick free bike.
So make the wrong conclusion. If you add more spacers to reach the same effective stack the reach is decreased. I checked and adding 10mm spacer gives you exact the same effective reach and stack as the previous. Unless you already needed 30-40mm spacer on the old just adding 10mm you have the same setup
Why on earth increase the reach on an endurance bike. Tcr for going fast, more relaxed for endurance.
Been listening to too many pros and not looking at who the actual end user is. Lol, it reminds me of when James May said one of the worst things with new cars is when the pr blurb said tuned on the nurburg ring.
Going too racy,
How about the new Domane?
...boy where is you garmin pointing?!
nice review...
I don’t like the rake on the front fork, obviously your toe will hit the front wheel when making a tight turn. I’ve run into this geometry gremlin before when purchasing gravel bikes for my bike shop.
Awesome & Thanks :)
Definitely luvin the purple haze paint and lighter weight
Endurance Road Gravel bike , very soon ))
You forgot AERO 😂😂😂
@@nl3712 yes)
NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE HIDDEN CABLES ???
I am - it’s a deal breaker for me. The aggressive geometry is bad enough, but cables through the headset is dumb as dog do and ruins shift feel for those of us not interested in electric gears.
It’s a stupid fashion trend…
At 5:39 it appears that the rear wheel is way off dish to the right side by quite a bit, also the rear wheel appears that it's also not lined up with the seat tube, if the wheel is mounted correctly then the wheel and seat tube should be aligned as one. BTW: I'm old school, since the 70's a steel frame has been doing the job for me, no gimmicks and so on, if I can do 100 plus mile ride and still feeling fresh after that ride then what's the use for dropping almost 12K for a bike with a frame that will die well before one of my steel frames, one of which has survived well over 40K miles. My new old bike will be a 70's/80's modifide lugged steel track frame to road and it will be a screamer of a ride. Just my 2 cents.
Rim for road disc for dirt
Lemme guess it’s made ultra stiff, ultra aero, ultra light for the average person who has disposable income.
It's all marketing my friends. Think about it, every year they say that this thing is 25% better and that thing is 43% better and so on. I mean , at some point it's got to be that it's reached 100% of how good it can be. It literally CAN'T be any better. It's like bike weight. If bikes continually got lighter and lighter for years on end, eventually they would weigh nothing.
Are the wheels hookless? That’s a dealbreaker for me.
yes
Agree
@@Rob_33 Too bad. The wheels where the first thing I replaced on my TCR but I guess I can just buy a Defy frameset and build it
Only the carbon versions though, Right?
Previous model with Sram Red was £8,499, this is £3,000 more albeit with an apparently better set of wheels
Food for thought, manufacturers can make all the claims they want for the release of a new model but question is do they keep the manufacturing the same throughout the life of that model's production, or are there updates and changes made because of unforeseen problems, failures, and consumer complaints. I bet this bike would not be the same in a year or two. But marketing or the manufacturer is not going to mention anything about that.
What a strange claim considering you have no way of providing any evidence to support it.
@@RyonBeachner Watch the video again only this time listen to the marketing claims. No way to prove what the carbon layup is once the frame comes out of the oven. You think each and every worker is precisely planting all those pieces of cut fiber perfectly in the molds? Carbon manufacturing is a cheap process done with cheap unskilled labor when it comes to frame making. Getting me to pay thousands of dollars for a carbon frame is never going to happen. Four or five hundred maybe but no more.
@@charlesmansplaining Except Giant has been using robots for layup operations for a number of years now.
@@RyonBeachner If that was true, and it can't be, all the more explaining the F ups. You're telling me that a suction cup can lay in a piece of soft carbon fabric that is woven full of air holes and gu. 🤣🤣
Specialized = gimmicks “tendon, future shock, elastomer”. Giant = functional flex
and both are cheaply made 🙂
@@rcg9573…in the same factory
I think the weight is given for an UNPAINTED frame...
You might be right lol
Man... You gotta hate cycling channels, should be mandatory to show the entry level model, the one that people actually buy, but no, they're always showing the hyper expensive bike nobody cares about, there's something wrong about cycling channels, they need to learn from automotive channels.
Hookless rims are stupid. Shame there's no Sram Force options
If you want a racie road bike just get a tcr, in my opinion they ruined a perfectly good endurance bike.
I do not understand the logic of buying a $15k (Canadian) endurance bike.
I like it! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
A car just squashed my 2023 Defy 😢
Giant’s d-fuse handlebars are awful! Most uncomfortable bars I've ever used and I've used many. Colour is dull on the top end model.
Pressed bottom bracket😢
If it was $999 i might be interested, but at 4 times that I can buy a nice motorbike instead.
Stop saying erm all the time very annoying
Dont tell me its faster, lighter, stiffer & more aero than the previous model, LOL.
this is not an endurance bike.
I was interested until fully integrated cable routing was mentioned. One more bike I'll never own.
Get with the times man!! They don't give a fuck if you'll never own one.. So, so Many others prefer internal cable routing and will buy...
@@wherearewe324ah now you can’t be saying that 😅, I know a lad in Eastbourne that prefers it and he’s good at bingo too
You'll never own a new bike going forward then
What is it that you do not like in internal routing?
@@Spiritdiver Fairlight Strael v3.0. No proprietary parts and all externally routed.
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PF bottom bracket, absolutely NOT!
Absolutely nothing wrong with PF on a well made frame. Focus on well made.
@@tonyg3091 These are not well made frames. 🙂
@@rcg9573Yes, they really are. Been running Giant frames with pressfit on mountain and road bikes for many years, and they’re absolutely fantastic.
I wouldn’t buy it if I could. Far too expensive for what you’re getting.
Yet another heavy gravel bike costing £10,000-12,000 what a joke.
Heavy? A bit over 7 kg is heavy? Don’t be ridiculous.
@@tonyg3091 I remember them lighter with rim brakes & with stronger frames not an egg shell for a top tube.
@@palmer3977 ahh the good old times yeah
@@tonyg3091 3 or 4 years ago.
WTF is an "endurance" bike? How many minor variations on the bicycle can marketers think up?
Endurance has been a well established category for many years now. Means more relaxed geometry, more comfort and more upright position on the bike. Gravel bikes are endurance bikes with more tyre clearance.
@@tonyg3091 I was riding such a bike, built out of commercially available components, forty years ago, when unpaved roads were called dirt.
@@peteraretin7802 Yep, that’s what it is. If anything the “gravel” was a bit made up category, endurance has always been here
This * is * the original gran fondo / relaxed endurance category. Wtf is a gravel bike ? The answer to the question no one asked ?
@@LosihoTTT indeed
That plastic frame would snap!
Because aluminium, steel, Ti bikes never break...🤔
china crap bike just two to buy look and time we all now that....
Had to read this 3 times and still makes no sense.
Great review!