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I swear vox never learns his lesson. I can see why people are mad with vshojo. Last time they did "open audition", they basically slapped the applicants in the face
@@nguyenho5859 From what I remember, some /vt/ users posed as Vshojo official email to applicants that stated they are joining, collecting their data. But the real fiasco happens was NuxTaku made an expose/PSA of the scam video where the Vshojo members call him out. Shit flinging happened, they made up, but definitely ruined their friendship. Personally, it's fair Nux do a video against scams and stand up for victims. Vshojo management were too slow in their action. But, if you're first response was making content of a bad situation of your friends instead of talking privately of parties affected, I'd lost all my trust on you.
@@nguyenho5859Pretty much they didn't even look at male auditions with a few exceptions and brought in the moose Canadian, she's a good friend of the VShojo group an it just looked like the decision was made before the audition.
context behind bettels "i die today" basically it was the culmination of a running gag on his channel. he got a superchat that just read "august 19th" with no context given so he made it a running joke
I hate to be that one person but… water is not wet because it is a liquid. Wet is the state of the form caused by contact with liquid. Water is not wet because it is water. Wet is the result following the transition from the contact. Water will stay water and not wet because it is a liquid.
@@rhaven090 He just knows how to play it very well. Most of us can sort of do a monologue in our heads, but it takes a lot more to vocalise it and make it a performance.
Bettel knows how to do comedy. Vox has relied on memes which has backfired (the graduate incident in bilibili because his Chinese fans didn't like the "your mom's a ho-" but because of cultural differences).
Funniest part is that GFE/BFE becoming a go-to for desperate people...look at Hex he's going to the same route or...maybe he's there already and it's just I'm not seeing it yet. The GFE/BFE is becoming a shortcut for people who doesn't want to work their way up there.
Its completely fine if Vshojo wants to recruit talents with lots of experience or already established talents but I'd prefer if they didn't market these auditions as "open to all" if they actually have high-level requirements. What someone said in the screenshot about how it wasnt a pattern since they had only one audition is true though. That's the feeling we got from the last time but I want to believe they'll lower their requirements and help some talented indies shine as much as they deserve, like Doki was saying about corpos in general.
This is why I felt that Phase connect is far more honest about their recruitment. For new member they use typical new group name but for long established and well known characters they call them "Phase INVADERS"
The last time Vshojo had 'open auditions' it was only cause Haruka wanted to do it the right way. So no matter what she was the only person they had their eyes on. Hell, chances are all the other applicants had their forms go straight in the trash.
Little note. The Vox situation is more likely caused by Yume fans, no Fujoshis/fudanshis. Fujos ship the demon with other men and even if they can be quite loud sometimes, this situation with the fans that send him love letters and are extremely parasocial is caused by yumes, yumes ship themselves with the Vtuber or other fictional characters, the danger is that in the Vtuber side that's a real human behind the monitor. Fujos had caused problems before, yes, but this is another group of people
to be fair you can't really blame people for highly doubting Vshoujo's Open Auditions given their entire history and track record. last time auditions opened was an utter disaster. tons of indie vtubers were scammed and doxxed and vshoujo hid that fact from the public without so much as a warning. and to top it off the person who WAS hired in that audition checked every box of a cronyism hire the very same hiring practice vshoujo was founded on. then as if to just prove people right they continued to hire via cronyism invite every single person they hired was friends and ex corporate vtubers. Zen really should have expected that this "open auditions" would be met with suspicions. honestly at this point with such an established hiring method its harder for the public to believe such a move is genuine. i mean its seriously telling that whenever a corporate vtuber graduates or is terminated that has connection to vshoujo members people assume they will end up in vshoujo. the problem people have isn't with the croni-hires. people have long accepted that friend only image. that's the problem, overall the main thing that matters to the public is the optics, what it looks like. and what the previous audition looks like is a facade to hide a croni-hire. again even if this auditions are genuine Zen never should have expected it to go smoothly. she should have EXPECTED an uphill battle. Vshoujo dug this branding image hole for themselves. do people give nijisanji or hololive slack when monitoring change? do we not use hololive and nijisanji's past history as a reference point? Hololive didn't suddenly bounce back after the taiwan incident they had to let their actions speak while many rightfully were doubting them from the start but they did let their actions speak and people saw this as well as using their past history as a reference helped people believe in Hololive changing. by similar merit nijisanji has claimed change but both history and actions speak otherwise. so people don't believe in them. first step this may be but the optics of the results are going to be what matters going forward. just a single audition isn't going to change peoples view either. a successful audition will be the STARTING point. it will still take lots of time and growing pains to pull off this rebranding of image
But the thing is so difficult to hire that is not connected with any Vshojo member. Kson, Zentreya, Geega, those three alone have the largest network of small vtubers comparable to Tamaki and Azki. To give you context, I watch a 10+ viewer ASMR vtuber, and Zentreya found her with collab intentions. She has a finger on the pulse in the scene, and her bets tends to be really successful. OniGiri I can think of an example.
@@madison8818 i did say that it would be an uphill battle did i not? Zen should realize just how deep Vshoujo dug themselves in the trenches. its not gonna be a smooth ride in the slightest and she should have expected this response.
I don't get why Zen makes a defensive tweet; she said you lose if you do, you lose if you don't. Okay, than why make this tweet responding to people's negative optics of open auditions from past experience? I guess we have to wait and see who got in.
It's PR. It's handled pretty well too. Zen is a known member with little controversy and respected in the scene. So it would garner a lot of support. It would be fun to see how it turns out.
and its also directed at people who are undecided or simply heard "nepotism" and were looking into the drama, its a chance to get ahead of the rumormongering that may occur when they do announce their next talents. And finally its to encourage indie vtubers who may have felt discouraged about applying. The tweet isn't defending against criticism so much as encouraging potential future colleagues.
I don't think anyone is actually "attacking Vshojo" more like just "eyerolling". They have not done themselves any favors in the hiring department. When Rushia was fired for exposing company info, what did Vshojo do? Immediately hired her and started promoting her and let's be honest, it was purely for clout. You would think that Vshojo would have approached such a person with more caution but no, they just wanted "the big name" and they already had Kson so now they can prance around with TWO huge hololive stars. It's kind of the thing that Vshojo is just known for and again, it's their own fault that they're seen this way. Hololive is the one that actually hires from their audition pool and elevates small/middle sized streamers who are struggling to break through and elevates them to the top where Vshojo often hangs around just waiting for a graduation announcement so they can swoop in and be seen like "knights in shining armor" taking a talent away from the big bad corpo that they had no hand in creating and would never have given them a shot without their rise to stardom in Holo or Niji.
Also they basically ignored Sayu and Doki, not even a single interaction until everyone was mad at Nijisanji, they treated them as hot potatoes which makes me think they technically expelled Nazuna by not even offering her a contract renewal, too much of a coincidence it happened after Mafu published their private feud to the public.
Reannounce it to closed auditions instead and just hire behind the scenes. Or if they wanted to paint a new light from their past then they better hire someone they never interacted with but highly qualified enough to be hired. Do not air out your frustrations in a social platform just because of the EXPECTED reaction from the public since the only thing they(public) can base it off of was the doxxed open audition and Nux drama.
5:21 I think part of people's frustration with Vshojo's "auditions" is that they are perfect for uplifting small Vtubers, but they don't do that. The say auditions are open to everyone but they keep demonstrating that small Vtubers never had a chance. When was the last time Vshojo hired anyone who wasn't already a personal friend of a current member? People's skepticism and frustration is based on past behavior. They need to prove that they are worthy of being given the benefit of the doubt first before that can start earning the community's trust. They can only do that with action, not hollow rhetoric or being sad on twitter.
but why exactly should they do this. Why hire someone small and talented, when you can hire someone big and talented, who already shown their dedication and talent of establishing themselves. Why hire someone unknown and possibly unstable in established group when you can hire someone you'll be comfortable with. They don't need to prove anything, "their past behavior" is a perfectly normal business strategy. "They are perfect for uplifting small Vtubers" VSJ is not a trampolin or a jumpstart.
There was one audition previous. People are treating it like they have constantly done this. You say that they should earn the trust back. How are they supposed to do that if this is the only other time they are doing this. Would this not be the one to show a 'history or If they learned better from before' moment. So giving them flack for what happened previously is silly and rude to those that are trying to better it
@@Angelofdeath690 they earn that trust back by going through with this audition and providing a new starting point. trust isn't won back in a day or a single instant. the only thing people have as a reference is the previous auditions and those were a sh*tshow; you can't you can't expect people to suddenly trust this will somehow be different just by words alone. lip service is cheap, claiming change is cheap, anyone can claim it. its the actions they take that will provide a new starting point and even then its a STARTING point. vshoujo will have to continue proving this wasn't just them covering their @ss and continue to show results. just like hololive has done after controversies and what nijisanji has failed to do. we do not give slack when judging. we look at past history and look for the patterns and similarities. hololive didn't suddenly bounce back from the taiwan controversy, they continued to get blasted and instead of crying about it they let their actions speak. people took notice and over time gradually eased up on them. vshoujo must do the same and prove over time they are not just talk. as the saying goes fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. people while skeptical about this audition are still giving vshoujo a second chance. but it will not be a smooth ride.
@@13-bit-kittenwhich honestly is fine if they’re presenting themselves that way. They’re not. They’re acting like EVERYONE has a chance when we’ve been shown that isn’t true, which in business is false advertisement. No one said anything about them hiring friends/established streams, matter of fact people now guess if someone will join them after graduation. Again nothing bad. However, you cant get upset when you open auditions and people say you won’t give them a chance since you’ll hire someone you know. If you’re known for something you don’t get to be upset when people say it, unless you change it - who know maybe they’ll change their strategy with these auditions 🤷🏻♀️
Congrats Vox You made me hate you more than riser phenex from high school DxD. At least riser learns from his issues and actually develop… Vox you’re the worst
hey ~! its not fair for Riser to be compared with Vox ~ Riser got punched by Issei in just one match and he realize his mistakes and try to do better for his phenex clan and become respectable man that Issei acknowledged, meanwhile Vox got slapped by reality many times and still making same mistakes.... lol
I can't look the other way when its true that Vshojo had been trying to hire vtubers with prior experience. I mean, didn't you look at how they were trying to hire Mint? Or at least made it look like they were trying to? The last thing they got were podcast together with matara. Connections have been made.
I think VShojo could beat allegations of fake auditions if they hired multiple relatively small people at once, like the rumored new JP generation. They could afford to sacrifice the benefits of nepo-hiring someone big for this one iteration just to prove the point.
One can justify the hires of VShojo all they want, but lets not pretend that what people are upset about is the dishonesty. Don't call it an open audition when it actually isn't. Noone minds hiring experienced talent or friends (Like happened with Matara, Michi or Henya) so it's disgusting that they pretend any criticism is due to that. They have to show that they actually mean it this time. Zen and Mouse already doing damage control doesn't give me any hope.
Unfortunately it's difficult, if not impossible, for VShojo to fix their image. People will never let go of the NuxTaku incident, and there will always be people who hate VShojo just for existing. Granted, a few of the more "controversial" talents have already left now, so that helps their image a bit, but the overall sentiment towards VShojo hardly ever changes. Zen has a point, though. No matter what she does, there will be a loss either way. Just look at the last time they opened auditions. VTweeters crying nepotism left and right and saying it was a "loss" for indie vtubers because they hired Haruka, _an indie vtuber._ No matter who they hire, it will always be met with criticism just because it's VShojo.
I agree. I just think at lot of the criticism of VShojo are from people who just want to hate on them. Those screaming “it’s nepotism” sound like whiners to me. This is the second audition they’ve held and they’re already screaming like they know how the company works. I’ve been listening to how Zen, Mousey, and Geega have described the audition process and it seems like that the company just wants to see who’s interested in joining them and will be observing those who applied but didn’t get in for future scouting opportunities.
I think Zen and people defending her and Vshojo have forgotten that they are dealing people, not mindless drones. One thing that people are very good at is recognizing a pattern and moving with it in mind. So, if company has a history of only hiring people who happen to be over 6ft tall than people who are under 6ft will not apply for them even if they say that anyone can get the job. To me it seems like Zen and Vshojo made their own and are now upset that people are making them lay in it.
Such a ridiculous statement. They have had only 1 audition prior to this. "Recognizing a pattern" "has a history of". Anti vaxx and flat earth level of stupidity.
Vshojo isn't a corporation, corporations are run by shareholders, Vshojo is a private owned company that hasnt issued shares through IPO, meaning its a company run by partners. What the simpletons dont understand is that companies as Vshojo that allow partners to have full power over their IPs and share governance have to be very thoughtful about how they pursue growth or else they'd find themselves in legal grounds to be forced to go public. Once your company goes public and you have outsiders holding shares and hijacking governance power, thats when the partners (Talents) start losing their autonomy. If Vshojo is so centered around autonomy, then growing in size and in revenuew has to be a scary prospect that has to be done carefuly, not when parasocials think its right to do so
Thanks for explaining that. Granted it should have been known that VShojo doesn't really run like other Vtuber agencies, especially the part when they leave. But never knew of those risk factors which sound more detrimental to them if they do get into legal trouble. Which probably explains their reaction when the entire Nux incident happened. They were just trying to cover themselves legally, but it really hurt their reputation in the long run cause it looked more like they were trying to sweep it under the rug. So essentially any new talents VShojo hires better have basic business experience and understand what they're getting into on a legal level as well. Which explains why they go for mostly established talents.
@@strategicperson95 Nux case is pretty much them acting without thinking or never taught about dealing with PR and Legal. Also they can always hire PR and Legal couch to teach them what to do rather than expecting every new hire to be legally literate. The reason why it took months for new Hololive members to debut is because they will be coached for PR and Legal stuff by the company's PR and Legal coach.
Honestly people need to stop comparing the way things are run by holo and by vshojo. The two companies are different in buisness models and thus are run differently. Seen so many saying 'well holo does this so Vshojo should be doing it too' no they don't have to and with the way they are set up, it would be detrimental to the company to run like that.
@@Angelofdeath690 this is why people tell vshojo not to call it open auditions. cause that whats holo is doing. THEY CAN NEPO HIRE, but they need to stop calling it open. not to mention the doxx that happened, hundreds of applicants were effected by this and if nux wouldn't have taken the brunt it wouldn't be known at all.
The big issue for VShojo's recruiting is that they've already failed with both approaches. No matter what they do, there's something negative for people to point at and claim it's for sure the wrong decision. Doesn't mean it can't be successful though. If anything, you'd expect them to learn from their mistakes and adjust to avoid repeating them. I'm personally neutral on the whole thing. Let's just see where it goes. 🤷
10:50 Sal, they aren’t showing themselves to be better, they are *saying* they’re gonna be better. We don’t know until the vtuber debuts if they’re telling the truth or trying to cover their ass ahead of time. I’ll let this situation ride itself out, but I’m not gonna say this criticism isn’t warranted. Their rep isn’t so good, so they have to work hard to fix it. Actions speak louder than words.
Without throwing more shade at them - the result of this next audition will be all people need to know about Vshojo (and by extension, Zen). Throwing herself into the fray means she will also be affected by the outcome, like it or not. And she'll have to live with that outcome, so she better wish that the next entrant(s) can dispel this cloud of doubt around her and her agency. It's not damn if they do or don't. There is an actual 3rd and seemingly difficult choice - which are true blue hires that have no links to current VS members.
Exactly. Zen can whine all she wants, but previous "open" auditions that ended with friends or experienced people getting hired. Noone has a problem with that, it's the dishonesty of calling it an open audition when it isn't. Also disgusting to already claim "If we hire someone new we will get hate for ignoring people that already put in the work". At this point VShojo needs to show they mean it not yap about it.
@@MrNorker77 Yeah. No one complaining when Kobo was hired even when she admitted she actually only touch her PC for school works and light browsing before joining Hololive. People love fresh blood. They're interesting because they tend to bring new ideas to streaming.
I like Zentreya but she needs to treasure the gold of silence on this one. VShojo has a pattern on their recruitments/hires, and patterns repeat themselves. Calling "open auditions", when the entire world knows the end result is gonna be a creator that VShojo has at least second-degree (friend of a friend) connections with being nepo'd into the fold, is just dishonesty. Also Vox's "joke", sure. You know what matters for jokes? _Context._ And his context isn't a bright backdrop for a gag like this.
Tbf (and I know this will bring up a fight about Nuxtaku) would/should anyone trust Vshoujo with a open audition? Especially after they fumbled the last one? The whole drama could have probably been avoided if they posted a tweet or something that said to verify messages by the actual company
Personally I think Vshojo can do it and grow past their reputation. They already do by their talents already, so it's probably just a matter of time. Though if I'm being brutally honest, it's a hard task to not hire someone that isn't acquainted with Vshojo in someway. People underestimate how large their networking is.
I feel like Vox is essentially the definition of “push and pull” relationships… Person A tries getting closer to person B, but the latter pulls away. But when A takes some time for themselves of friends, B will push towards them… Vox essentially takes this to another level. And funny enough, this type of person in a relationship, or even just the relationship is considered toxic… Though I believe we’re past this stage for Vox… He is anxious to keep his goldenboy privileges and thus competitive, but why? Well money. He has stated before that it was something very important to him. But instead of figuring out his talents, he uses something more powerful and easy: feelings and loneliness. When metal is melted, its malleable, the armor into something new. Vox found his deep voice and accent to be quite successful. A turn on if you will. And sure it’s a talent to make good use of your voice… but essentially, he creates porn, pulls and pushes away his fans… always uncertainty in the air. And that’s what’s keeping them on edge. And so they want more. To him it’s transactional, but to them, the audience, it feels like so much more…
Lets not beat around the bush here, VSHOJO had always and will always be a nepohire org . Read between the lines of what zen said , "scouting people to mesh with" "worked themselves to the top" means you get their interest but youre not going to be hired until you yourself become successful first. Lmao. Just stop this nonsense . Just recruit privately .
Minori has a beautiful voice. I wish her all the best. It's funny about the things we think about when we're faced with our end. Most people want to be immortalized. They want to leave something to be remembered by. Minori just wants to spend more time with her loved ones. Her work also has meaning to people. While they might not be in her life directly, she has made fans and she is loved by them. Thanks for taking the time to share her story Salvi.
8:21 idk if aggression is the word i'd use in this context. People are just criticizing them for previous recruitment, not straight up hating like towards niji. Also, imo vshojo hate really dies down since nyanners & vei left. Some might still hate froot's guts, but regardless of what you think of her, she handled it well enough that it doesn't explode to bigger issues
You don't have the right to complain Zen. Your company and friends are the one who started the nepo hire and run with it for a long time. So of course everyone will be skeptical the moment they said they going to launch an audition again. Also the excuse of "They will think that we focus on the new people" is a whole lotta bs. No one complaining when there's a new fresh blood in the group. This is just Zen yapping without thinking. Also you and your friends aren't completely clean either. Some dramas in the past shows you guys can be quite a lose cannon sometimes and even willing to destroy others for some reasons. So rather than yapping, actually do something worthy of audience approval.
Honestly I don’t get the hate over VShojo. They’re acting like they know how the company works when they’ve only held two auditions. I was fine when them inviting established talents in the group and now I see the open auditions as the company having enough capital to support an up-and-coming talent. I see the open auditions for what they are - open auditions. Those saying that they’re secretly “closed auditions” don’t seem to get that if they had specific people in mind, they could just… I dunno… INVITE THEM LIKE THEY ALWAYS DID. 🙄
That’s a fair point. Despite all the popularity some of their talents, VShojo is still pretty small compared to other VTubing companies. Part of it has to do with how it was set up and how it is run. It’s not I was surprised they even opened auditions like this. I really don’t hold the outcomes of auditions against them, though. A smaller company can’t afford to take as many risks as a larger company. Chances are they are going to go for someone who already has experience and has shown they can attract viewers. It makes sense from a business perspective. If the talents they already have can vouch for their reliability, then it’s all the better. A smaller, newer, or inexperienced streamer would be more of a risk to invest in. There is less of a guarantee of profit.
My theory and I think it still stands is, Haruka did pass the open audition... but it was also because no one else, likely met the standards. Like, I love some of my mutuals on twitter, but they absolutely do not have what it takes to handle companies. A lot of them don't or they got into drama and understandably companies don't want that. Fuck, I regret being on twitter during the niji situation because now I'm wondering if talking shit about one company, means I'm cooked for auditioning for ANY
That's just silly man. You think only Haruka, from thousands of applicants for Vshojo "audition" met the standard. So what? The standard is "Be friend to one of Vshojo girl?" 😆
My issue is why does anyone think Vshojo has any responsibility to not hire exactly who they want to? It's a business, not a charity and it operates like any business. Just like a standard corporation sure they'll look at resumes, but if one of their trusted employees knows someone who would be a good fit why wouldn't the company consider them? I'm sorry to break the news to you but business is not a pure meritocracy and personal connections matter, same as it ever was and same as it will be no matter how much you say it shouldn't be.
@@DinnerForkTongue so is there any result yet? why ppl know that the one accepted are the nepo one.? also whats wrong with nepo if their skill are guranted they already experience the streaming and other. if i have company i also do that. why co worker or my worker recomended someone who can work i will also take that rather ppl i dont know the skill can they survive work like this and that coz join company and indie really different.
@@TAKOssrb people are skeptical precisely because the only other time auditions happened someone who had connections to vshoujo was hired. to the public eye and overall view the last auditions were a dishonest Crony-hire. people have no problem with vshoujo practicing Cronyism what they have a problem with is attempting to hide that cronyism and until these auditions provide a second starting point people are going to be relying on past precedent as a means to judge the outcome.
@@DinnerForkTongue That's not what a nepo hire is. Nepo hire is hiring someone you are literally related with, hiring business associates and friends is standard practice.
@@dawnseeker176 They are not hiding anything, this is literally standard business practice. You guys have zero idea how the professional world works. "Cronyism" is not hiring someone with a proven record in exactly the job you're looking to fill. Most businesses even give bonuses if an employee scouts someone for them.
One thing that always confuse me is why everyone calls Vox's fans "fujoshis" when that is a term to refere at girls who likes BL/Yaoi/Gay sh*t and not girls obsses with male characters?. For me they are only normal crazy girl fans you can found in every fanbase/fandom.
@@maryam-nusa yeah i was rhinking the same but toxic fujoshis are the ones who want theyr favorite ships being horny to eachother instead of they being to him, at least that is how it works on anime fandoms like hero academia and others animes
I don't like watching Vox even in collabs, but I still think calling him Milord is kind of fun, like calling Sonny Banchou and Ver Kaichou. And the "getting mad at being left out of hand holding" joke seemed like a joke I've heard from tons of other vtubers. I don't like a lot of what he does, but those examples were just bad examples.
Heya ! Um, I take one issue with one tiny thing-- The "Milord" nickname given to Vox is not, in fact, a parasocial thing, but a reference to the fact Vox is literally a demon lord/seen as a noble. It's been around since he's debuted. I mean--he LITERALLY ruled over a clan in his lore, he IS a lord. So the Milord thing is not a parasocial thing. I do agree on the mixed messages thing but the way I see it is he's moreso going after the fans that have a celebrity crush on him/fall for his voice, flirts, and charms, and begin pressuring him for information he doesn't want to give out. (see: the iconic "where do you live" line.) I'm a hella small VTuber and even *I* got hit with a fucking creepy as shit parasocial fan recently who had repeated my real name after hearing it in the bg of one of my streams (my dad had shouted it from nearby). By the by: a few months ago you'd made a video where you read off a post calling Vox a narcissist... Listen... this is coming from someone who is an avid mental health advocate, but that shit was not okay and was actively demonizing Vox for a disorder he doesn't have if you look at what we can see and check the diagnostic criteria. I held off on replying to that video due to how upset it made me, but Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD aka Narcissism) is already demonized to hell and back and is actively made out to be a terrible disorder when it effects the patient almost as much as it does the victims. Please for the love of God, do more research on mental health disorders before making claims like that, because that would ACTIVELY hurt the reputation of already demonized cluster b personality disorders more than they already are. Edit: i can't see my reply so I need to make a correction; it's not a guarantee people who have NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) will hurt you, but many people HAVE been hurt by those with the disorder. However, personality disorders lie on a spectrum, like Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD)(which you have mentioned you had before since you said you have autism, and it's incredibly possible I may have it too), with a primary example of a PD having a spectrum being Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). Other PDs are similarly on a spectrum. This is the case with a lot more mental health than you think Please, don't just label someone awful because they have a disorder. If I was called an awful POS for possibly having Borderline Personality Disorder, or arguably at a different perspective, if I was called awful, or if you called someone awful or lazy for having depression, it wouldnt be acceptable, right? Why would it thus be fine for you to say that about a personality disorder, a disorder often caused by **childhood trauma**? It effects the patient as much, if not often more than the victims of the patient's actions. The patient's disorder does not give the patient an excuse to be awful, but it explains things.
I don’t get it. So people are rratting that vshojo auditions aren’t open enough. So what? Who are victimised by this? Small vtubers? Because they are somehow entitled to join a successful corpo? No? Then who is vshojo harming to warrant the hate? Touch less keyboard. Touch more grass, kids.
It's not about harming, but people noticed a pattern of nepohire and mention how silly it is to call it an "open" audition. Zen saw this and got butttthurt and start yapping online about how they do this because "we will get hate for ignoring people who put in the work" felt like coping.
@@kos2919if they do want to do “nepohire”, they wouldn’t even announce audition. Look at all the ex niji talents they hired. No audition announcement whatsoever. They just went and hired them. They are not afraid of and not hiding the fact that they hire talents outside of auditions. If they announce audition open, that means they are looking for people outside of their existing talents’ circle. Because they never shy away from what you call “nepohire” without audition. It makes no sense to say the reason they announced this audition is that they want to somehow hide another “nepohire”. Use basic logic.
I dont see the benefit of give my computer equipment to a company if i dont get the numer of views tonthe month or is all the day of the computer, god the vtuber world is getting really crazy, more because all the mayoriti of the vtubers are independents, i don believe in the good companies and i hope that the mayority of the peoples think too because if not i understand why are a lot of black companies not only in the vtubing world 😂😂😂😂
Soooo would VSHOUJO join in competition of worst companies like anycolor and wactor...? Anyway too little bad news of nijisanji, not enough... Need more
@@acasualgachagamer6816 They'll notice when VShojo continues to walk the straight and narrow. Hololive did it with Towa, did it with the Coco and Haachama incident, and by extension we can say they're also doing it with Mel's termination. It's time for VShojo to put their money where their mouth is as well.
@@acasualgachagamer6816 forgive me but provide me examples of how vshoujo learned from their mistakes tell me what changes they made to prevent further incidents.
@@dawnseeker176 by the same token, provide examples of incidents and mistakes? As far as I know there was only one with the Nuxtaku situation which was pretty minor anyway. Hiring Rushia? Its possible that they saw her termination from Hololive as a contractual obligation or blown out with corpospeak, they (or at least kson) would have spoken with Rushia at length before deciding that bringing her onboard was a good move. Did it work out? No but people leaving a company isn't exactly an incident that you need to learn mistakes from. And finally regarding the Nepo-hiring? I don't even think that counts. I do believe they are holding open auditions, but people with more experience in the vtubing sphere are absolutely more likely to make the cut as vshojo can see their past content, how they handle various situations etc. Wouldn't it be stranger to be a well established indie and be rejected because you've collabed with Zen or Ironmouse before?
@@seppyseppi6889 you didn't answer my question. you stated that vshoujo learns from their mistakes and i asked you to provide examples of learning from their mistakes. you stated they made mistakes and you stated they learned from them so you need to tell me what mistakes they made that they learned from. and provide examples that they learned from it. no nux situation WASN'T minor that was an entire smear campaign and dogpiling on someone with full intent on ruining him. that is NOT minor. vshoujo completely hiding the fact that their audition got hi-jacked by a scammer impersonatiing vshoujo staff and doxxing indies allowing the victims to continue piling up. is NOT minor. and before you try to make the excuse that they hid it because of an investigation keep in mind even large companies give general warnings to at least reduce the number of victims while they try to catch the perpetrator. Vshoujo didn't. end of story
Were people having a go at ZEN, of all people? WHO TF DISLIKES ZEN?!? Well people for years said 'what about auditions' and now they are finally here, 'ooh its just zens friends' wtf is that - i watched zen from the VRChat days, i have watched her grasp, climb and claw her way in VSJ and then a drama occured, zen yet again was one that actually DISLIKED the drama and apologized, 1 out of 3-4 apologies from VSJ. Now NIJI is sinking, let VSJ rise! Minori going into a hospice care brought me back to my grandad with MS going in and hearing those word.. my goodness...'we just wanna make them as comfortable as possible' - we know what the means to us, who have heard that phrase, sadly. i hope her work is spread across the internet, far and wide, i hope she has found some comfort in her new change and they treat her best as possible. and i wish her all the best in finding happiness before the night comes. Let her friends have their space. this is gonna be hard for a lot of people because of how loved she is. All the best to Minori, i hope the time she spends now are with her most loved and cherished ones. "Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal." and that is how you keep her memory alive.
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I swear vox never learns his lesson. I can see why people are mad with vshojo. Last time they did "open audition", they basically slapped the applicants in the face
What exactly happened last time?
@@nguyenho5859something about being careless that the open audition candifates were almost doxxed. Its how the conflict with NuxGaku started, iirc
@@nguyenho5859 bunch of people got doxxed, nux drama, and they just hired a friend or two.
@@nguyenho5859 From what I remember, some /vt/ users posed as Vshojo official email to applicants that stated they are joining, collecting their data. But the real fiasco happens was NuxTaku made an expose/PSA of the scam video where the Vshojo members call him out. Shit flinging happened, they made up, but definitely ruined their friendship.
Personally, it's fair Nux do a video against scams and stand up for victims. Vshojo management were too slow in their action. But, if you're first response was making content of a bad situation of your friends instead of talking privately of parties affected, I'd lost all my trust on you.
@@nguyenho5859Pretty much they didn't even look at male auditions with a few exceptions and brought in the moose Canadian, she's a good friend of the VShojo group an it just looked like the decision was made before the audition.
context behind bettels "i die today" basically it was the culmination of a running gag on his channel. he got a superchat that just read "august 19th" with no context given so he made it a running joke
"Vox lovebomebs his audience again"
And water's wet.....
DEBATABLE!
I hate to be that one person but… water is not wet because it is a liquid. Wet is the state of the form caused by contact with liquid.
Water is not wet because it is water. Wet is the result following the transition from the contact. Water will stay water and not wet because it is a liquid.
It feels like NIJISANJI has become a pandemic plague
Another difference between Bettel and Hex is that Bettel is known for being basically vtuber Jerma which means shenanigans, but not in a bad way
Is Bettel a real Psycho and talks to a nonexistent chat inside his head?
@@rhaven090 He just knows how to play it very well. Most of us can sort of do a monologue in our heads, but it takes a lot more to vocalise it and make it a performance.
Bettel knows how to do comedy. Vox has relied on memes which has backfired (the graduate incident in bilibili because his Chinese fans didn't like the "your mom's a ho-" but because of cultural differences).
Funniest part is that GFE/BFE becoming a go-to for desperate people...look at Hex he's going to the same route or...maybe he's there already and it's just I'm not seeing it yet. The GFE/BFE is becoming a shortcut for people who doesn't want to work their way up there.
Like a certain necromancer 😂
Its completely fine if Vshojo wants to recruit talents with lots of experience or already established talents but I'd prefer if they didn't market these auditions as "open to all" if they actually have high-level requirements. What someone said in the screenshot about how it wasnt a pattern since they had only one audition is true though. That's the feeling we got from the last time but I want to believe they'll lower their requirements and help some talented indies shine as much as they deserve, like Doki was saying about corpos in general.
This is why I felt that Phase connect is far more honest about their recruitment. For new member they use typical new group name but for long established and well known characters they call them "Phase INVADERS"
The last time Vshojo had 'open auditions' it was only cause Haruka wanted to do it the right way. So no matter what she was the only person they had their eyes on. Hell, chances are all the other applicants had their forms go straight in the trash.
Little note. The Vox situation is more likely caused by Yume fans, no Fujoshis/fudanshis. Fujos ship the demon with other men and even if they can be quite loud sometimes, this situation with the fans that send him love letters and are extremely parasocial is caused by yumes, yumes ship themselves with the Vtuber or other fictional characters, the danger is that in the Vtuber side that's a real human behind the monitor.
Fujos had caused problems before, yes, but this is another group of people
Interesting. But it still did not push away the fact that he is garnering towards them, again..
@@Marleigh_san yeah, it's sad honestly
to be fair you can't really blame people for highly doubting Vshoujo's Open Auditions given their entire history and track record.
last time auditions opened was an utter disaster. tons of indie vtubers were scammed and doxxed and vshoujo hid that fact from the public without so much as a warning.
and to top it off the person who WAS hired in that audition checked every box of a cronyism hire the very same hiring practice vshoujo was founded on. then as if to just prove people right
they continued to hire via cronyism invite every single person they hired was friends and ex corporate vtubers.
Zen really should have expected that this "open auditions" would be met with suspicions. honestly at this point with such an established hiring method its harder for the public to believe such a move is genuine. i mean its seriously telling that whenever a corporate vtuber graduates or is terminated that has connection to vshoujo members people assume they will end up in vshoujo. the problem people have isn't with the croni-hires. people have long accepted that friend only image. that's the problem, overall the main thing that matters to the public is the optics, what it looks like. and what the previous audition looks like is a facade to hide a croni-hire.
again even if this auditions are genuine Zen never should have expected it to go smoothly. she should have EXPECTED an uphill battle.
Vshoujo dug this branding image hole for themselves. do people give nijisanji or hololive slack when monitoring change? do we not use hololive and nijisanji's past history as a reference point? Hololive didn't suddenly bounce back after the taiwan incident they had to let their actions speak while many rightfully were doubting them from the start
but they did let their actions speak and people saw this as well as using their past history as a reference helped people believe in Hololive changing.
by similar merit nijisanji has claimed change but both history and actions speak otherwise. so people don't believe in them.
first step this may be but the optics of the results are going to be what matters going forward.
just a single audition isn't going to change peoples view either. a successful audition will be the STARTING point. it will still take lots of time and growing pains to pull off this rebranding of image
But the thing is so difficult to hire that is not connected with any Vshojo member. Kson, Zentreya, Geega, those three alone have the largest network of small vtubers comparable to Tamaki and Azki.
To give you context, I watch a 10+ viewer ASMR vtuber, and Zentreya found her with collab intentions. She has a finger on the pulse in the scene, and her bets tends to be really successful. OniGiri I can think of an example.
@@madison8818 i did say that it would be an uphill battle did i not? Zen should realize just how deep Vshoujo dug themselves in the trenches. its not gonna be a smooth ride in the slightest and she should have expected this response.
I don't get why Zen makes a defensive tweet; she said you lose if you do, you lose if you don't. Okay, than why make this tweet responding to people's negative optics of open auditions from past experience? I guess we have to wait and see who got in.
It's PR. It's handled pretty well too. Zen is a known member with little controversy and respected in the scene. So it would garner a lot of support. It would be fun to see how it turns out.
and its also directed at people who are undecided or simply heard "nepotism" and were looking into the drama, its a chance to get ahead of the rumormongering that may occur when they do announce their next talents.
And finally its to encourage indie vtubers who may have felt discouraged about applying. The tweet isn't defending against criticism so much as encouraging potential future colleagues.
I don't think anyone is actually "attacking Vshojo" more like just "eyerolling". They have not done themselves any favors in the hiring department. When Rushia was fired for exposing company info, what did Vshojo do? Immediately hired her and started promoting her and let's be honest, it was purely for clout. You would think that Vshojo would have approached such a person with more caution but no, they just wanted "the big name" and they already had Kson so now they can prance around with TWO huge hololive stars.
It's kind of the thing that Vshojo is just known for and again, it's their own fault that they're seen this way. Hololive is the one that actually hires from their audition pool and elevates small/middle sized streamers who are struggling to break through and elevates them to the top where Vshojo often hangs around just waiting for a graduation announcement so they can swoop in and be seen like "knights in shining armor" taking a talent away from the big bad corpo that they had no hand in creating and would never have given them a shot without their rise to stardom in Holo or Niji.
I mean, hey an opportunity is an opportunity, gotta catch it even if short term lmao
@@KABLAMMATSthat kinda mindset is what gives them their reputation in the first place. It's up to you whether to see that as a good thing or not
Also they basically ignored Sayu and Doki, not even a single interaction until everyone was mad at Nijisanji, they treated them as hot potatoes which makes me think they technically expelled Nazuna by not even offering her a contract renewal, too much of a coincidence it happened after Mafu published their private feud to the public.
Reannounce it to closed auditions instead and just hire behind the scenes.
Or if they wanted to paint a new light from their past then they better hire someone they never interacted with but highly qualified enough to be hired.
Do not air out your frustrations in a social platform just because of the EXPECTED reaction from the public since the only thing they(public) can base it off of was the doxxed open audition and Nux drama.
5:21
I think part of people's frustration with Vshojo's "auditions" is that they are perfect for uplifting small Vtubers, but they don't do that. The say auditions are open to everyone but they keep demonstrating that small Vtubers never had a chance. When was the last time Vshojo hired anyone who wasn't already a personal friend of a current member? People's skepticism and frustration is based on past behavior. They need to prove that they are worthy of being given the benefit of the doubt first before that can start earning the community's trust. They can only do that with action, not hollow rhetoric or being sad on twitter.
but why exactly should they do this. Why hire someone small and talented, when you can hire someone big and talented, who already shown their dedication and talent of establishing themselves. Why hire someone unknown and possibly unstable in established group when you can hire someone you'll be comfortable with. They don't need to prove anything, "their past behavior" is a perfectly normal business strategy. "They are perfect for uplifting small Vtubers" VSJ is not a trampolin or a jumpstart.
There was one audition previous. People are treating it like they have constantly done this. You say that they should earn the trust back. How are they supposed to do that if this is the only other time they are doing this. Would this not be the one to show a 'history or If they learned better from before' moment. So giving them flack for what happened previously is silly and rude to those that are trying to better it
@@Angelofdeath690 they earn that trust back by going through with this audition and providing a new starting point. trust isn't won back in a day or a single instant. the only thing people have as a reference is the previous auditions and those were a sh*tshow; you can't you can't expect people to suddenly trust this will somehow be different just by words alone. lip service is cheap, claiming change is cheap, anyone can claim it. its the actions they take that will provide a new starting point and even then its a STARTING point. vshoujo will have to continue proving this wasn't just them covering their @ss and continue to show results. just like hololive has done after controversies and what nijisanji has failed to do.
we do not give slack when judging. we look at past history and look for the patterns and similarities.
hololive didn't suddenly bounce back from the taiwan controversy, they continued to get blasted and instead of crying about it they let their actions speak. people took notice and over time gradually eased up on them.
vshoujo must do the same and prove over time they are not just talk. as the saying goes fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. people while skeptical about this audition are still giving vshoujo a second chance. but it will not be a smooth ride.
@@13-bit-kittenwhich honestly is fine if they’re presenting themselves that way. They’re not. They’re acting like EVERYONE has a chance when we’ve been shown that isn’t true, which in business is false advertisement. No one said anything about them hiring friends/established streams, matter of fact people now guess if someone will join them after graduation. Again nothing bad. However, you cant get upset when you open auditions and people say you won’t give them a chance since you’ll hire someone you know. If you’re known for something you don’t get to be upset when people say it, unless you change it - who know maybe they’ll change their strategy with these auditions 🤷🏻♀️
Congrats Vox
You made me hate you more than riser phenex from high school DxD. At least riser learns from his issues and actually develop… Vox you’re the worst
hey ~! its not fair for Riser to be compared with Vox ~
Riser got punched by Issei in just one match and he realize his mistakes and try to do better for his phenex clan and become respectable man that Issei acknowledged,
meanwhile Vox got slapped by reality many times and still making same mistakes.... lol
I can't look the other way when its true that Vshojo had been trying to hire vtubers with prior experience.
I mean, didn't you look at how they were trying to hire Mint? Or at least made it look like they were trying to?
The last thing they got were podcast together with matara.
Connections have been made.
I think VShojo could beat allegations of fake auditions if they hired multiple relatively small people at once, like the rumored new JP generation. They could afford to sacrifice the benefits of nepo-hiring someone big for this one iteration just to prove the point.
One can justify the hires of VShojo all they want, but lets not pretend that what people are upset about is the dishonesty.
Don't call it an open audition when it actually isn't.
Noone minds hiring experienced talent or friends (Like happened with Matara, Michi or Henya) so it's disgusting that they pretend any criticism is due to that.
They have to show that they actually mean it this time. Zen and Mouse already doing damage control doesn't give me any hope.
Unfortunately it's difficult, if not impossible, for VShojo to fix their image. People will never let go of the NuxTaku incident, and there will always be people who hate VShojo just for existing. Granted, a few of the more "controversial" talents have already left now, so that helps their image a bit, but the overall sentiment towards VShojo hardly ever changes.
Zen has a point, though. No matter what she does, there will be a loss either way. Just look at the last time they opened auditions. VTweeters crying nepotism left and right and saying it was a "loss" for indie vtubers because they hired Haruka, _an indie vtuber._ No matter who they hire, it will always be met with criticism just because it's VShojo.
they can win: stop calling it open audition
I agree. I just think at lot of the criticism of VShojo are from people who just want to hate on them. Those screaming “it’s nepotism” sound like whiners to me. This is the second audition they’ve held and they’re already screaming like they know how the company works. I’ve been listening to how Zen, Mousey, and Geega have described the audition process and it seems like that the company just wants to see who’s interested in joining them and will be observing those who applied but didn’t get in for future scouting opportunities.
I think Zen and people defending her and Vshojo have forgotten that they are dealing people, not mindless drones. One thing that people are very good at is recognizing a pattern and moving with it in mind. So, if company has a history of only hiring people who happen to be over 6ft tall than people who are under 6ft will not apply for them even if they say that anyone can get the job. To me it seems like Zen and Vshojo made their own and are now upset that people are making them lay in it.
Such a ridiculous statement. They have had only 1 audition prior to this. "Recognizing a pattern" "has a history of". Anti vaxx and flat earth level of stupidity.
Vshojo isn't a corporation, corporations are run by shareholders, Vshojo is a private owned company that hasnt issued shares through IPO, meaning its a company run by partners.
What the simpletons dont understand is that companies as Vshojo that allow partners to have full power over their IPs and share governance have to be very thoughtful about how they pursue growth or else they'd find themselves in legal grounds to be forced to go public. Once your company goes public and you have outsiders holding shares and hijacking governance power, thats when the partners (Talents) start losing their autonomy.
If Vshojo is so centered around autonomy, then growing in size and in revenuew has to be a scary prospect that has to be done carefuly, not when parasocials think its right to do so
Nepohire is fine, but please stop calling it an "audition"
Zen just salty that people are skeptical and not praising her as usual.
Thanks for explaining that.
Granted it should have been known that VShojo doesn't really run like other Vtuber agencies, especially the part when they leave.
But never knew of those risk factors which sound more detrimental to them if they do get into legal trouble. Which probably explains their reaction when the entire Nux incident happened. They were just trying to cover themselves legally, but it really hurt their reputation in the long run cause it looked more like they were trying to sweep it under the rug.
So essentially any new talents VShojo hires better have basic business experience and understand what they're getting into on a legal level as well. Which explains why they go for mostly established talents.
@@strategicperson95 Nux case is pretty much them acting without thinking or never taught about dealing with PR and Legal.
Also they can always hire PR and Legal couch to teach them what to do rather than expecting every new hire to be legally literate.
The reason why it took months for new Hololive members to debut is because they will be coached for PR and Legal stuff by the company's PR and Legal coach.
Honestly people need to stop comparing the way things are run by holo and by vshojo. The two companies are different in buisness models and thus are run differently. Seen so many saying 'well holo does this so Vshojo should be doing it too' no they don't have to and with the way they are set up, it would be detrimental to the company to run like that.
@@Angelofdeath690 this is why people tell vshojo not to call it open auditions. cause that whats holo is doing. THEY CAN NEPO HIRE, but they need to stop calling it open. not to mention the doxx that happened, hundreds of applicants were effected by this and if nux wouldn't have taken the brunt it wouldn't be known at all.
The big issue for VShojo's recruiting is that they've already failed with both approaches. No matter what they do, there's something negative for people to point at and claim it's for sure the wrong decision.
Doesn't mean it can't be successful though. If anything, you'd expect them to learn from their mistakes and adjust to avoid repeating them.
I'm personally neutral on the whole thing. Let's just see where it goes. 🤷
10:50 Sal, they aren’t showing themselves to be better, they are *saying* they’re gonna be better. We don’t know until the vtuber debuts if they’re telling the truth or trying to cover their ass ahead of time. I’ll let this situation ride itself out, but I’m not gonna say this criticism isn’t warranted. Their rep isn’t so good, so they have to work hard to fix it. Actions speak louder than words.
Without throwing more shade at them - the result of this next audition will be all people need to know about Vshojo (and by extension, Zen). Throwing herself into the fray means she will also be affected by the outcome, like it or not.
And she'll have to live with that outcome, so she better wish that the next entrant(s) can dispel this cloud of doubt around her and her agency.
It's not damn if they do or don't. There is an actual 3rd and seemingly difficult choice - which are true blue hires that have no links to current VS members.
Vshojo is questionable, their Past and Rigged Auditions don’t give them a too good light. I just feel it’s too soon to give them good faith.
Exactly. Zen can whine all she wants, but previous "open" auditions that ended with friends or experienced people getting hired. Noone has a problem with that, it's the dishonesty of calling it an open audition when it isn't.
Also disgusting to already claim "If we hire someone new we will get hate for ignoring people that already put in the work".
At this point VShojo needs to show they mean it not yap about it.
@@MrNorker77 Yeah. No one complaining when Kobo was hired even when she admitted she actually only touch her PC for school works and light browsing before joining Hololive. People love fresh blood. They're interesting because they tend to bring new ideas to streaming.
I like Zentreya but she needs to treasure the gold of silence on this one. VShojo has a pattern on their recruitments/hires, and patterns repeat themselves. Calling "open auditions", when the entire world knows the end result is gonna be a creator that VShojo has at least second-degree (friend of a friend) connections with being nepo'd into the fold, is just dishonesty.
Also Vox's "joke", sure. You know what matters for jokes? _Context._ And his context isn't a bright backdrop for a gag like this.
Maybe she's one of the PR team
Tbf (and I know this will bring up a fight about Nuxtaku) would/should anyone trust Vshoujo with a open audition? Especially after they fumbled the last one? The whole drama could have probably been avoided if they posted a tweet or something that said to verify messages by the actual company
A fight? You mean how they just didn't help him?
Wow, I'm not surprised...
"Voxxy" never learns or... he is not willing to learn. Big difference!
Personally I think Vshojo can do it and grow past their reputation. They already do by their talents already, so it's probably just a matter of time. Though if I'm being brutally honest, it's a hard task to not hire someone that isn't acquainted with Vshojo in someway. People underestimate how large their networking is.
I feel like Vox is essentially the definition of “push and pull” relationships…
Person A tries getting closer to person B, but the latter pulls away. But when A takes some time for themselves of friends, B will push towards them…
Vox essentially takes this to another level. And funny enough, this type of person in a relationship, or even just the relationship is considered toxic…
Though I believe we’re past this stage for Vox…
He is anxious to keep his goldenboy privileges and thus competitive, but why? Well money. He has stated before that it was something very important to him. But instead of figuring out his talents, he uses something more powerful and easy: feelings and loneliness.
When metal is melted, its malleable, the armor into something new.
Vox found his deep voice and accent to be quite successful. A turn on if you will. And sure it’s a talent to make good use of your voice… but essentially, he creates porn, pulls and pushes away his fans… always uncertainty in the air. And that’s what’s keeping them on edge. And so they want more.
To him it’s transactional, but to them, the audience, it feels like so much more…
Lets not beat around the bush here, VSHOJO had always and will always be a nepohire org . Read between the lines of what zen said , "scouting people to mesh with" "worked themselves to the top" means you get their interest but youre not going to be hired until you yourself become successful first. Lmao. Just stop this nonsense . Just recruit privately .
Minori has a beautiful voice. I wish her all the best. It's funny about the things we think about when we're faced with our end. Most people want to be immortalized. They want to leave something to be remembered by. Minori just wants to spend more time with her loved ones. Her work also has meaning to people. While they might not be in her life directly, she has made fans and she is loved by them. Thanks for taking the time to share her story Salvi.
8:21 idk if aggression is the word i'd use in this context. People are just criticizing them for previous recruitment, not straight up hating like towards niji.
Also, imo vshojo hate really dies down since nyanners & vei left. Some might still hate froot's guts, but regardless of what you think of her, she handled it well enough that it doesn't explode to bigger issues
I heard a rrat once that zentraya is actually 2 people who pretend to be 1 person.
Just gonna drop that here
You don't have the right to complain Zen. Your company and friends are the one who started the nepo hire and run with it for a long time. So of course everyone will be skeptical the moment they said they going to launch an audition again.
Also the excuse of "They will think that we focus on the new people" is a whole lotta bs. No one complaining when there's a new fresh blood in the group. This is just Zen yapping without thinking.
Also you and your friends aren't completely clean either. Some dramas in the past shows you guys can be quite a lose cannon sometimes and even willing to destroy others for some reasons.
So rather than yapping, actually do something worthy of audience approval.
Maybe im jaded, but Vshoko has a rep a rep they need to break, so i hope they take the risk with someone smaller
its just bad given the track record of vshojo being a vtuber retirement home, so I hope they prove me wrong
Honestly I don’t get the hate over VShojo. They’re acting like they know how the company works when they’ve only held two auditions. I was fine when them inviting established talents in the group and now I see the open auditions as the company having enough capital to support an up-and-coming talent. I see the open auditions for what they are - open auditions. Those saying that they’re secretly “closed auditions” don’t seem to get that if they had specific people in mind, they could just… I dunno… INVITE THEM LIKE THEY ALWAYS DID. 🙄
God, I did sign up for Vshojo. But I really do hope I don't win. Because it's a big roll with massive explanations.
That’s a fair point. Despite all the popularity some of their talents, VShojo is still pretty small compared to other VTubing companies. Part of it has to do with how it was set up and how it is run. It’s not I was surprised they even opened auditions like this. I really don’t hold the outcomes of auditions against them, though. A smaller company can’t afford to take as many risks as a larger company. Chances are they are going to go for someone who already has experience and has shown they can attract viewers. It makes sense from a business perspective. If the talents they already have can vouch for their reliability, then it’s all the better. A smaller, newer, or inexperienced streamer would be more of a risk to invest in. There is less of a guarantee of profit.
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This isn't 2020. The pandemic is over.
My theory and I think it still stands is, Haruka did pass the open audition... but it was also because no one else, likely met the standards. Like, I love some of my mutuals on twitter, but they absolutely do not have what it takes to handle companies. A lot of them don't or they got into drama and understandably companies don't want that.
Fuck, I regret being on twitter during the niji situation because now I'm wondering if talking shit about one company, means I'm cooked for auditioning for ANY
That's just silly man. You think only Haruka, from thousands of applicants for Vshojo "audition" met the standard.
So what? The standard is "Be friend to one of Vshojo girl?" 😆
really protective pick with mikeneko.. 0 bagage there
I remember Hajime coming back to vshojo.
What happened? Went on another "hiatus"?
My issue is why does anyone think Vshojo has any responsibility to not hire exactly who they want to? It's a business, not a charity and it operates like any business. Just like a standard corporation sure they'll look at resumes, but if one of their trusted employees knows someone who would be a good fit why wouldn't the company consider them? I'm sorry to break the news to you but business is not a pure meritocracy and personal connections matter, same as it ever was and same as it will be no matter how much you say it shouldn't be.
The problem is not that. It's the dishonesty of calling for "auditions" when everyone and his dog knows it's gonna be a nepo hire.
@@DinnerForkTongue so is there any result yet? why ppl know that the one accepted are the nepo one.? also whats wrong with nepo if their skill are guranted they already experience the streaming and other. if i have company i also do that. why co worker or my worker recomended someone who can work i will also take that rather ppl i dont know the skill can they survive work like this and that coz join company and indie really different.
@@TAKOssrb people are skeptical precisely because the only other time auditions happened someone who had connections to vshoujo was hired. to the public eye and overall view the last auditions were a dishonest Crony-hire. people have no problem with vshoujo practicing Cronyism what they have a problem with is attempting to hide that cronyism and until these auditions provide a second starting point people are going to be relying on past precedent as a means to judge the outcome.
@@DinnerForkTongue That's not what a nepo hire is. Nepo hire is hiring someone you are literally related with, hiring business associates and friends is standard practice.
@@dawnseeker176 They are not hiding anything, this is literally standard business practice. You guys have zero idea how the professional world works.
"Cronyism" is not hiring someone with a proven record in exactly the job you're looking to fill. Most businesses even give bonuses if an employee scouts someone for them.
This is wholesome video
Never do i so disgusted with a person, but dang vox so disgusting
One thing that always confuse me is why everyone calls Vox's fans "fujoshis" when that is a term to refere at girls who likes BL/Yaoi/Gay sh*t and not girls obsses with male characters?. For me they are only normal crazy girl fans you can found in every fanbase/fandom.
Don’t his fans ship him with Ike? So to a certain degree that term is true I think
@@maryam-nusa yeah i was rhinking the same but toxic fujoshis are the ones who want theyr favorite ships being horny to eachother instead of they being to him, at least that is how it works on anime fandoms like hero academia and others animes
Lmao Vox is not surprising me again!
I don't like watching Vox even in collabs, but I still think calling him Milord is kind of fun, like calling Sonny Banchou and Ver Kaichou. And the "getting mad at being left out of hand holding" joke seemed like a joke I've heard from tons of other vtubers. I don't like a lot of what he does, but those examples were just bad examples.
Vox lovebombs his audience...of course he does, he's got a lot of practice.
Sounds like he has just as much of a toxic relationship with his fans as his relationship with Nijisanji.
Heya ! Um, I take one issue with one tiny thing--
The "Milord" nickname given to Vox is not, in fact, a parasocial thing, but a reference to the fact Vox is literally a demon lord/seen as a noble. It's been around since he's debuted. I mean--he LITERALLY ruled over a clan in his lore, he IS a lord. So the Milord thing is not a parasocial thing.
I do agree on the mixed messages thing but the way I see it is he's moreso going after the fans that have a celebrity crush on him/fall for his voice, flirts, and charms, and begin pressuring him for information he doesn't want to give out. (see: the iconic "where do you live" line.) I'm a hella small VTuber and even *I* got hit with a fucking creepy as shit parasocial fan recently who had repeated my real name after hearing it in the bg of one of my streams (my dad had shouted it from nearby).
By the by: a few months ago you'd made a video where you read off a post calling Vox a narcissist...
Listen... this is coming from someone who is an avid mental health advocate, but that shit was not okay and was actively demonizing Vox for a disorder he doesn't have if you look at what we can see and check the diagnostic criteria. I held off on replying to that video due to how upset it made me, but Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD aka Narcissism) is already demonized to hell and back and is actively made out to be a terrible disorder when it effects the patient almost as much as it does the victims. Please for the love of God, do more research on mental health disorders before making claims like that, because that would ACTIVELY hurt the reputation of already demonized cluster b personality disorders more than they already are.
Edit: i can't see my reply so I need to make a correction; it's not a guarantee people who have NPD (narcissistic personality disorder) will hurt you, but many people HAVE been hurt by those with the disorder. However, personality disorders lie on a spectrum, like Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD)(which you have mentioned you had before since you said you have autism, and it's incredibly possible I may have it too), with a primary example of a PD having a spectrum being Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD). Other PDs are similarly on a spectrum. This is the case with a lot more mental health than you think
Please, don't just label someone awful because they have a disorder. If I was called an awful POS for possibly having Borderline Personality Disorder, or arguably at a different perspective, if I was called awful, or if you called someone awful or lazy for having depression, it wouldnt be acceptable, right? Why would it thus be fine for you to say that about a personality disorder, a disorder often caused by **childhood trauma**?
It effects the patient as much, if not often more than the victims of the patient's actions. The patient's disorder does not give the patient an excuse to be awful, but it explains things.
I don’t get it. So people are rratting that vshojo auditions aren’t open enough. So what? Who are victimised by this? Small vtubers? Because they are somehow entitled to join a successful corpo? No? Then who is vshojo harming to warrant the hate? Touch less keyboard. Touch more grass, kids.
It's not about harming, but people noticed a pattern of nepohire and mention how silly it is to call it an "open" audition.
Zen saw this and got butttthurt and start yapping online about how they do this because "we will get hate for ignoring people who put in the work" felt like coping.
@@kos2919if they do want to do “nepohire”, they wouldn’t even announce audition. Look at all the ex niji talents they hired. No audition announcement whatsoever. They just went and hired them. They are not afraid of and not hiding the fact that they hire talents outside of auditions. If they announce audition open, that means they are looking for people outside of their existing talents’ circle. Because they never shy away from what you call “nepohire” without audition. It makes no sense to say the reason they announced this audition is that they want to somehow hide another “nepohire”. Use basic logic.
@@Ballacha "if they do want to do “nepohire”, they wouldn’t even announce audition."
Now that's a painfully blatant lie right here.
@@DinnerForkTongueright. Earth is flat too. 🤡
Grass is dirty
I dont see the benefit of give my computer equipment to a company if i dont get the numer of views tonthe month or is all the day of the computer, god the vtuber world is getting really crazy, more because all the mayoriti of the vtubers are independents, i don believe in the good companies and i hope that the mayority of the peoples think too because if not i understand why are a lot of black companies not only in the vtubing world 😂😂😂😂
Soooo would VSHOUJO join in competition of worst companies like anycolor and wactor...?
Anyway too little bad news of nijisanji, not enough... Need more
Nah. Unlike KuroSanji, VShojo seem to learn from their mistakes. Kinda sad people don't notice this.
@@acasualgachagamer6816 They'll notice when VShojo continues to walk the straight and narrow. Hololive did it with Towa, did it with the Coco and Haachama incident, and by extension we can say they're also doing it with Mel's termination. It's time for VShojo to put their money where their mouth is as well.
@@acasualgachagamer6816 forgive me but provide me examples of how vshoujo learned from their mistakes tell me what changes they made to prevent further incidents.
@@dawnseeker176 by the same token, provide examples of incidents and mistakes? As far as I know there was only one with the Nuxtaku situation which was pretty minor anyway.
Hiring Rushia? Its possible that they saw her termination from Hololive as a contractual obligation or blown out with corpospeak, they (or at least kson) would have spoken with Rushia at length before deciding that bringing her onboard was a good move. Did it work out? No but people leaving a company isn't exactly an incident that you need to learn mistakes from.
And finally regarding the Nepo-hiring? I don't even think that counts. I do believe they are holding open auditions, but people with more experience in the vtubing sphere are absolutely more likely to make the cut as vshojo can see their past content, how they handle various situations etc. Wouldn't it be stranger to be a well established indie and be rejected because you've collabed with Zen or Ironmouse before?
@@seppyseppi6889 you didn't answer my question. you stated that vshoujo learns from their mistakes and i asked you to provide examples of learning from their mistakes. you stated they made mistakes and you stated they learned from them so you need to tell me what mistakes they made that they learned from. and provide examples that they learned from it.
no nux situation WASN'T minor that was an entire smear campaign and dogpiling on someone with full intent on ruining him. that is NOT minor. vshoujo completely hiding the fact that their audition got hi-jacked by a scammer impersonatiing vshoujo staff and doxxing indies allowing the victims to continue piling up. is NOT minor.
and before you try to make the excuse that they hid it because of an investigation keep in mind even large companies give general warnings to at least reduce the number of victims while they try to catch the perpetrator. Vshoujo didn't. end of story
Were people having a go at ZEN, of all people? WHO TF DISLIKES ZEN?!?
Well people for years said 'what about auditions' and now they are finally here, 'ooh its just zens friends' wtf is that - i watched zen from the VRChat days, i have watched her grasp, climb and claw her way in VSJ and then a drama occured, zen yet again was one that actually DISLIKED the drama and apologized, 1 out of 3-4 apologies from VSJ.
Now NIJI is sinking, let VSJ rise!
Minori going into a hospice care brought me back to my grandad with MS going in and hearing those word.. my goodness...'we just wanna make them as comfortable as possible' - we know what the means to us, who have heard that phrase, sadly.
i hope her work is spread across the internet, far and wide, i hope she has found some comfort in her new change and they treat her best as possible. and i wish her all the best in finding happiness before the night comes. Let her friends have their space. this is gonna be hard for a lot of people because of how loved she is.
All the best to Minori, i hope the time she spends now are with her most loved and cherished ones. "Death leaves a heartache no one can heal, love leaves a memory no one can steal." and that is how you keep her memory alive.