I have to wonder if I'm the only abolitionist atheist out there 🤔 I know of some pro-life atheist groups, but I don't know of any abolitionist ones. It's like being in a minority of a minority of a minority
4:38 “Surgical abortions are all dismemberment abortions” He lists cuterrage. He’s talking about a dilation and cutterage, or a D and C. That’s when you scrape the wall of the uterus like a spoon getting the last bit of ice cream off the bottom of a container. - It’s used to remove the uterine lining permanently in women with certain medical issues, like endometriosis or excessively heavy periods. - It’s used to remove any retained tissue following a miscarriage - It’s used to remove any retained tissue after a childbirth…ie part or all of the placenta (if you leave it in there you’re going to get sepsis…and die) - It’s used to remove early pregnancies, so like “surgical” abortions in the first trimester. Anyway, he’s either lying or misinformed. First of all, there is nothing to dismember yet. You can’t dismember an 8 week embryo, for example. I think Lim buds form at around 8 weeks? BUDS, not limbs - and he’s at the beginning of arms and legs. And then you have full arms and legs by around 15 weeks. Please remember that the trimesters are different lengths: (1) 1st trimester is 14 weeks long (2) 2nd trimester is 14 weeks long (3) 3rd trimester is 12 weeks long, so from 28-40 weeks Yes, pregnancy is 10 months long (40 weeks), not 9. If counting from last menstrual period (LMP). Second of all, he has no idea what a D &C is. He therefore should not be talking about it. That’s the part I explained above Pasting a few things to help you out on this. Nothing to dismember - First-Trimester Detection of Fetal Anomalies Raffaele Napolitano, Aris T Papageorghiou, in Twining's Textbook of Fetal Abnormalities (Third Edition), 2015 Extremities Limb buds are first seen by ultrasound at about the 8th week of gestation: the upper limb buds of the humeri are seen at 8 weeks, one week before the femora, the tibia/fibula and radius/ulna from 10 weeks, and digits of hands and feet from 11 weeks.1,48 In early gestation, the fetus tends to keep the hands open with fingers extended (Figure 1-21), facilitating their visualization, unlike the second trimester when the hands are usually held in a flexed position. Similarly the feet are held with heels almost touching and knees slightly flexed, which also makes their visualization easier (Figure 1-22 A and B). Wrong about cutter-age - www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/dilation-and-curettage-d-and-c?amp=true What is a dilation and curettage (D&C)? (Dilatation and Curettage, D&C) A dilation and curettage procedure, also called a D&C, is a surgical procedure in which the cervix (lower, narrow part of the uterus) is dilated (expanded) so that the uterine lining (endometrium) can be scraped with a curette (spoon-shaped instrument) to remove abnormal tissues. Other related procedures used for diagnosing and treating the endometrium include endometrial ablation, hysteroscopy, and hysterectomy. Please see these procedures for additional information. 1. The cervix will be dilated by inserting a series of thin rods. Each rod will be larger in diameter than the previous one. This process will gradually enlarge the opening of the cervix so that the curette (spoon-shaped instrument) can be inserted. 2. The curette will be inserted through the cervical opening into the uterus and the sharp spoon-shaped edges will be passed across the lining of the uterus to scrape away the tissues. In some cases, suction may be used to remove tissues. If you have local anesthesia, this may cause cramping. 3. The instruments will be removed. 4. Any tissues collected with the procedure will be sent to the lab for examination. Pregnancy tissues (called products of conception) may be sent to the lab for culture or testing for genetic or chromosomal abnormalities. 14 minutes and 14 seconds a federal judiciary that acts tyrannical Well then I guess you guys really did not age very well now did it? I mean you guys did a really good job of stuffing a bunch of Catholic inquisitors into the Supreme Court since you reported this. In the book of James God talks about breaking one commandment meaning you broke them all and they pretty much lied at their confirmation hearing and how did Cavanaugh even get in the Supreme Court anyway Obama had a moderate judge that was with a lot of bipartisan respect named Merrick garland picked out and Mitch McConnell apparently refused to give him a hearing. How does this mountain Mitch McConnell guy have so much power anyway? We and people keep talking about how old and slow Biden is isn’t Biden like 80 years old and isn’t Mitch McConnell also 80 years old??? Anyway, The descend talks about this at like I mean there was no reason to bring another case except we have three new Justice. May I ask why in the oral arguments I heard clearance Thomas bring up crack babies twice completely out of context out of nowhere and for no reason and I could hear in the voices of the other people there and they didn’t even know why he was bringing that up either? Oh, but I do. Clarence Thomas was showing how much he wants to punish women who have drug addiction. Well I guess the sick don’t need a doctor forget everything that Jesus said right Clarence Thomas is ready to strike. Do you know what that’s just sick because it’s going to go far beyond drug addiction. Beetle person heard from conception would be maniacal. How many women do you think Kevin no health problems at all? Take no medication at all? The entire practice of obstetrics is a risk benefit analysis. How much does the mother need the medicine and what’s the risk to the baby You want it set up to where you guys could literally witch hunt after anybody for anything for taking a Tylenol or for taking pain medication or four S. managing a medical condition at home with something that you don’t agree with. You do not belong in a patient physician relationship. I don’t did anybody who went to medical school work on this? Why do you think Ireland repeeled the 8th? She got sick of women dying . 14 minutes and 30 seconds This did not age well. Two years ago huh? But I bet you are all about that Supreme Court now huh? 🤣 it’s so ridiculous he want to overthrow the government and then when you get your way they are your best friend aren’t they? Let’s just have an insurrection and climb up the walls of the capital building and bring a news so that we can kill our vice president when are billionaire it with narcissistic personality disorder is fired. How come I didn’t hear any complaints from him in 2016? So the system works great when you win but if you don’t win then everything is useless right?
Nothing you wrote about D&C invalidates a single thing said. Yes, we know all of that information about D&C. Yes, you dismember a human being when you perform one. The suppression of reality present even in the John's Hopkins article is obvious: "Pregnancy tissues (called products of conception) may be sent to the lab for culture or testing for genetic or chromosomal abnormalities." You can attempt to dehumanize (and mark for murder) the embryonic human at 8 or 5 or 2 weeks all you like. The length of their limbs isn't the point. That they are a human being who bears the image of God is the point. Merrick Garland is a moderate? The guy who now works for Biden/Harris and called parents who testify at school board meetings "domestic terrorists"? The guy who has mobilized the DOJ to defend child sacrifice at every turn? That Merrick Garland? The supreme court is not our friend, then or now. Donald Trump is not our friend, then or now. See episode #100 of the podcast. No one is witch hunting anyone for tylenol. Try to reign in the delusions or there's no conversation to have. Your moral assertions are representative of someone who knows the truth of objective morality. You can't get away from objective morality because you're made in the image of God. Atheist philosopher Richard Dawkins can profess to believe that “The universe we observe has … no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. … DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.” But he can’t live that way. He expresses moral indignation at all sorts of things, as if there is an objective standard of morality that is being broken. Ironically, he expresses indignation at God Himself, calling religion “the root of all evil.” But what is evil in a universe of blind, pitiless indifference? How can evolved stardust commit evil? The simple act of calling something “good” or “evil” is to borrow from the Christian worldview. Atheism cannot justify these concepts. Everyone knows there is an objective standard of right and wrong, and further, everyone knows who has revealed to us this standard. Romans 1 tells us that “the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.” Although the truth about God is plain to us, we suppress that truth because we love our sin and don’t want to submit to God’s authority. But for this sin and every other, there is forgiveness. All have fallen short of God’s standard (Romans 3:23). Every one of us has sinned and deserves the punishment for our sin. but as Romans 5:8 tells us, you can be made righteous before God, because, despite your sin, “God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Salvation is found in the grace of God alone through faith in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-10). He died the death that we all deserve, so that we, by faith in Him, could receive his righteousness. If you have not given your life to Christ, do not let another day go by! Repent of your sins, put your faith in Christ, and dedicate your life to the one who gave up His life that we might be reconciled to Him.
“ No one is witch hunting anyone for tylenol. Try to reign in the delusions or there's no conversation to have.” Yeah, nice try. You’re speaking to a woman who had to deal with DHS because of PRESCRIBED pain medication or anti depressants (nobody knows which). Every healthcare worker at the hospital that met with me over course of the next few weeks absolutely loved me…the neonatalogist…every nurse. But I saw the top paper on a clipboard that said “MEDICAL STUDENT.” It was underlined. I’m white and highly educated. When this happens to POC, their kids go into foster care. You are the one who lives in an alternate reality. Your life experience absolutely pales next to mine. Come day all of these things to my face. I’m right in Mounds.
@@NicoleStevensHays11x I've heard horror stories from every corner of the country about abusive agents at child protective services. I'm sorry if that has happened to you. The primary abolitionist attorney who writes abolition bills is a family lawyer for a firm that helps families fight unjust separation from their children. It's a terrible thing. We'll fight abusive state agents like that with you. But we will also fight to abolish child sacrifice because it is murder.
Are using a different definition of “dismemberment” ? “Dismemberment is the act of cutting, ripping, tearing, pulling, wrenching or otherwise disconnecting the LIMBS from a living or dead thing.”
Haven’t been an agnostic or atheist since 2011! I’m actually a seventh day Adventist (SDA) =D “Saul of Tarsus is a vivid illustration of one who was very sincere in persecuting the Way. He was certain that he was doing God's will (see John 16:1-3) as he sought out Christians to lead them to trial, and some to death (Acts 26:9-11). His intention was to preserve orthodoxy and he persecuted, in the name of God, those who did not agree with him. He was zealous but misguided.” In the latter part of the 20th and early part of the 21s centuries, the great religious leaders of the United States were advocating causes similar to the National Reform Movement in the in the second half of the 19th century. The humanist philosopher, Friedrich Nietzsche once wrote some very wise words: "Be careful when you fight the dragon lest you become a dragon. IS it possible that in fighting against the dragon of secular humanism/secularism, the Christian right will become the dragon that they oppose? Page 253 of 359 STUDIES ON MATTHEW 24 - Expanded Edition by Pastor Stephen Bohr SecretsUnsealed.org | SUMTV.org |
LifeSiteNews does not support abolitionists or even abolishing abortion as murder. They have repeatedly misrepresented abolitionists and written articles to discourage support of abolition bills. They are proponents of prolife pragmatism and incrementalist delays of abolition.
Did the Nazi regime murder anybody? It was legal what they did. Are you really going to argue that no murder occurred because it was in accordance with the law? Murder doesn't stop being murder just because people write demented laws.
@@crackeddecimal7688 An elderly woman with dementia requiring constant care and supervision can't be murdered because she lacks bodily autonomy? Fascinating.
@@crackeddecimal7688 An elderly woman with dementia requiring constant care and supervision can't be murdered because she lacks bodily autonomy? Fascinating.
I care about sentient life. I'm a vegetarian because animals suffer horribly on the way to satisfying people's selfish taste preferences. I don't care about non-sentient zygotes embryos and young fetuses.
This guy is SO good. The shorts show a little but man this long form stuff really highlights his rhetorical skill.
Eye opening. Excellent. Everyone needs to hear this truth.
Ive been looking for this exact kind of compare and constrasting of the two. Thank you
How do I get a copy of the tree? I think that graphic more clearly conveys the difference than anything else I've seen.
Thanks for breaking this down so everyone can understand!!
This was really eye opening!
Man this video aged well in the post Roe V. Wade world. 😏
Hello! Can I get a copy of the full diagram that is shown in the thumbnail? I would love to share. Thank you.
Here freethestates.org/contact/
I have to wonder if I'm the only abolitionist atheist out there 🤔 I know of some pro-life atheist groups, but I don't know of any abolitionist ones. It's like being in a minority of a minority of a minority
How do you rationalize humans being inherently valuable without God? Genuinely asking.
How are atheists a minority?
NO MORE DELAY END ABORTION TODAY #AHA
4:38
“Surgical abortions are all dismemberment abortions”
He lists cuterrage.
He’s talking about a dilation and cutterage, or a D and C.
That’s when you scrape the wall of the uterus like a spoon getting the last bit of ice cream off the bottom of a container.
- It’s used to remove the uterine lining permanently in women with certain medical issues, like endometriosis or excessively heavy periods.
- It’s used to remove any retained tissue following a miscarriage
- It’s used to remove any retained tissue after a childbirth…ie part or all of the placenta (if you leave it in there you’re going to get sepsis…and die)
- It’s used to remove early pregnancies, so like “surgical” abortions in the first trimester.
Anyway, he’s either lying or misinformed. First of all, there is nothing to dismember yet. You can’t dismember an 8 week embryo, for example. I think Lim buds form at around 8 weeks? BUDS, not limbs - and he’s at the beginning of arms and legs. And then you have full arms and legs by around 15 weeks. Please remember that the trimesters are different lengths:
(1) 1st trimester is 14 weeks long
(2) 2nd trimester is 14 weeks long
(3) 3rd trimester is 12 weeks long, so from 28-40 weeks
Yes, pregnancy is 10 months long (40 weeks), not 9. If counting from last menstrual period (LMP).
Second of all, he has no idea what a D &C is. He therefore should not be talking about it. That’s the part I explained above
Pasting a few things to help you out on this.
Nothing to dismember -
First-Trimester Detection of Fetal Anomalies
Raffaele Napolitano, Aris T Papageorghiou, in Twining's Textbook of Fetal Abnormalities (Third Edition), 2015
Extremities
Limb buds are first seen by ultrasound at about the 8th week of gestation: the upper limb buds of the humeri are seen at 8 weeks, one week before the femora, the tibia/fibula and radius/ulna from 10 weeks, and digits of hands and feet from 11 weeks.1,48 In early gestation, the fetus tends to keep the hands open with fingers extended (Figure 1-21), facilitating their visualization, unlike the second trimester when the hands are usually held in a flexed position. Similarly the feet are held with heels almost touching and knees slightly flexed, which also makes their visualization easier (Figure 1-22 A and B).
Wrong about cutter-age -
www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/treatment-tests-and-therapies/dilation-and-curettage-d-and-c?amp=true
What is a dilation and curettage (D&C)?
(Dilatation and Curettage, D&C)
A dilation and curettage procedure, also called a D&C, is a surgical procedure in which the cervix (lower, narrow part of the uterus) is dilated (expanded) so that the uterine lining (endometrium) can be scraped with a curette (spoon-shaped instrument) to remove abnormal tissues.
Other related procedures used for diagnosing and treating the endometrium include endometrial ablation, hysteroscopy, and hysterectomy. Please see these procedures for additional information.
1. The cervix will be dilated by inserting a series of thin rods. Each rod will be larger in diameter than the previous one. This process will gradually enlarge the opening of the cervix so that the curette (spoon-shaped instrument) can be inserted.
2. The curette will be inserted through the cervical opening into the uterus and the sharp spoon-shaped edges will be passed across the lining of the uterus to scrape away the tissues. In some cases, suction may be used to remove tissues. If you have local anesthesia, this may cause cramping.
3. The instruments will be removed.
4. Any tissues collected with the procedure will be sent to the lab for examination. Pregnancy tissues (called products of conception) may be sent to the lab for culture or testing for genetic or chromosomal abnormalities.
14 minutes and 14 seconds a federal judiciary that acts tyrannical
Well then I guess you guys really did not age very well now did it?
I mean you guys did a really good job of stuffing a bunch of Catholic inquisitors into the Supreme Court since you reported this. In the book of James God talks about breaking one commandment meaning you broke them all and they pretty much lied at their confirmation hearing and how did Cavanaugh even get in the Supreme Court anyway Obama had a moderate judge that was with a lot of bipartisan respect named Merrick garland picked out and Mitch McConnell apparently refused to give him a hearing. How does this mountain Mitch McConnell guy have so much power anyway? We and people keep talking about how old and slow Biden is isn’t Biden like 80 years old and isn’t Mitch McConnell also 80 years old??? Anyway, The descend talks about this at like I mean there was no reason to bring another case except we have three new Justice.
May I ask why in the oral arguments I heard clearance Thomas bring up crack babies twice completely out of context out of nowhere and for no reason and I could hear in the voices of the other people there and they didn’t even know why he was bringing that up either? Oh, but I do. Clarence Thomas was showing how much he wants to punish women who have drug addiction.
Well I guess the sick don’t need a doctor forget everything that Jesus said right Clarence Thomas is ready to strike. Do you know what that’s just sick because it’s going to go far beyond drug addiction. Beetle person heard from conception would be maniacal. How many women do you think Kevin no health problems at all? Take no medication at all? The entire practice of obstetrics is a risk benefit analysis. How much does the mother need the medicine and what’s the risk to the baby
You want it set up to where you guys could literally witch hunt after anybody for anything for taking a Tylenol or for taking pain medication or four S. managing a medical condition at home with something that you don’t agree with. You do not belong in a patient physician relationship. I don’t did anybody who went to medical school work on this?
Why do you think Ireland repeeled the 8th?
She got sick of women dying .
14 minutes and 30 seconds
This did not age well. Two years ago huh? But I bet you are all about that Supreme Court now huh? 🤣 it’s so ridiculous he want to overthrow the government and then when you get your way they are your best friend aren’t they? Let’s just have an insurrection and climb up the walls of the capital building and bring a news so that we can kill our vice president when are billionaire it with narcissistic personality disorder is fired. How come I didn’t hear any complaints from him in 2016? So the system works great when you win but if you don’t win then everything is useless right?
Nothing you wrote about D&C invalidates a single thing said. Yes, we know all of that information about D&C. Yes, you dismember a human being when you perform one. The suppression of reality present even in the John's Hopkins article is obvious: "Pregnancy tissues (called products of conception) may be sent to the lab for culture or testing for genetic or chromosomal abnormalities."
You can attempt to dehumanize (and mark for murder) the embryonic human at 8 or 5 or 2 weeks all you like. The length of their limbs isn't the point. That they are a human being who bears the image of God is the point.
Merrick Garland is a moderate? The guy who now works for Biden/Harris and called parents who testify at school board meetings "domestic terrorists"? The guy who has mobilized the DOJ to defend child sacrifice at every turn? That Merrick Garland?
The supreme court is not our friend, then or now. Donald Trump is not our friend, then or now. See episode #100 of the podcast.
No one is witch hunting anyone for tylenol. Try to reign in the delusions or there's no conversation to have.
Your moral assertions are representative of someone who knows the truth of objective morality. You can't get away from objective morality because you're made in the image of God. Atheist philosopher Richard Dawkins can profess to believe that “The universe we observe has … no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. … DNA neither knows nor cares. DNA just is. And we dance to its music.” But he can’t live that way. He expresses moral indignation at all sorts of things, as if there is an objective standard of morality that is being broken. Ironically, he expresses indignation at God Himself, calling religion “the root of all evil.” But what is evil in a universe of blind, pitiless indifference? How can evolved stardust commit evil? The simple act of calling something “good” or “evil” is to borrow from the Christian worldview. Atheism cannot justify these concepts.
Everyone knows there is an objective standard of right and wrong, and further, everyone knows who has revealed to us this standard. Romans 1 tells us that “the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools.”
Although the truth about God is plain to us, we suppress that truth because we love our sin and don’t want to submit to God’s authority. But for this sin and every other, there is forgiveness. All have fallen short of God’s standard (Romans 3:23). Every one of us has sinned and deserves the punishment for our sin. but as Romans 5:8 tells us, you can be made righteous before God, because, despite your sin, “God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Salvation is found in the grace of God alone through faith in Christ alone (Ephesians 2:8-10). He died the death that we all deserve, so that we, by faith in Him, could receive his righteousness.
If you have not given your life to Christ, do not let another day go by! Repent of your sins, put your faith in Christ, and dedicate your life to the one who gave up His life that we might be reconciled to Him.
“ No one is witch hunting anyone for tylenol. Try to reign in the delusions or there's no conversation to have.”
Yeah, nice try. You’re speaking to a woman who had to deal with DHS because of PRESCRIBED pain medication or anti depressants (nobody knows which). Every healthcare worker at the hospital that met with me over course of the next few weeks absolutely loved me…the neonatalogist…every nurse. But I saw the top paper on a clipboard that said “MEDICAL STUDENT.” It was underlined. I’m white and highly educated. When this happens to POC, their kids go into foster care.
You are the one who lives in an alternate reality. Your life experience absolutely pales next to mine. Come day all of these things to my face. I’m right in Mounds.
@@NicoleStevensHays11x I've heard horror stories from every corner of the country about abusive agents at child protective services. I'm sorry if that has happened to you. The primary abolitionist attorney who writes abolition bills is a family lawyer for a firm that helps families fight unjust separation from their children. It's a terrible thing. We'll fight abusive state agents like that with you. But we will also fight to abolish child sacrifice because it is murder.
Are using a different definition of “dismemberment” ?
“Dismemberment is the act of cutting, ripping, tearing, pulling, wrenching or otherwise
disconnecting the LIMBS from a living or dead thing.”
Haven’t been an agnostic or atheist since 2011!
I’m actually a seventh day Adventist (SDA) =D
“Saul of Tarsus is a vivid illustration of one who was very sincere in persecuting the Way. He was certain that he was doing God's will (see John 16:1-3) as he sought out Christians to lead them to trial, and some to death (Acts 26:9-11). His intention was to preserve orthodoxy and he persecuted, in the name of God, those who did not agree with him. He was zealous but misguided.”
In the latter part of the 20th and early part of the 21s centuries, the great religious leaders of the United States were advocating causes similar to the National Reform Movement in the in the second half of the 19th century. The humanist philosopher, Friedrich Nietzsche once wrote some very wise words:
"Be careful when you fight the dragon lest you become a dragon.
IS it possible that in
fighting against the dragon of secular humanism/secularism, the Christian right will become the dragon that they oppose?
Page 253 of 359
STUDIES ON MATTHEW 24 - Expanded Edition by Pastor Stephen Bohr
SecretsUnsealed.org | SUMTV.org |
You should talk to LifeSiteNews
LifeSiteNews does not support abolitionists or even abolishing abortion as murder. They have repeatedly misrepresented abolitionists and written articles to discourage support of abolition bills. They are proponents of prolife pragmatism and incrementalist delays of abolition.
Good points. The 13A didn’t just free child & elderly slaves.
Murder is a legal term. A baby is already born. Please at the very least use the correct terminology.
Did the Nazi regime murder anybody? It was legal what they did. Are you really going to argue that no murder occurred because it was in accordance with the law?
Murder doesn't stop being murder just because people write demented laws.
@@AbolitionistsRising how can a fetus be murdered when it doesn’t even have bodily autonomy?
@@crackeddecimal7688 An elderly woman with dementia requiring constant care and supervision can't be murdered because she lacks bodily autonomy? Fascinating.
Well, that's precisely what is being challenged, isn't it? 🤔
@@crackeddecimal7688 An elderly woman with dementia requiring constant care and supervision can't be murdered because she lacks bodily autonomy? Fascinating.
We should reclaim the pro life term
Why
Nicole Stevens-Hays
2 weeks ago
Do you believe that women who had an abortion should face capital punishment (the death penalty)?
Do laws typically retroactively punish people who broke them before they were even a law?
Didn't realize that about Abby Johnson
From SBC to TEC to Rome
Pray for her.
I care about sentient life. I'm a vegetarian because animals suffer horribly on the way to satisfying people's selfish taste preferences. I don't care about non-sentient zygotes embryos and young fetuses.
wickedness!
You care about soulless animals more than human beings. That’s sick.