@@curt8806 Who said the camera wasn't working? I'm only up to about the first minute or two, but if nothing is said here about the camera being non-functional when it was dismantled, where does YOUR information come from?
@@SoraXiEiRiO But he took SOME pics. In the video itself, he talks about things that he didn't take a pic of and doesn't remember where they came from. So...
@@BarnyTrubble I mean since they already use things like liquid helium cooling to achieve the temps needed for quantum effects I don't think adding water will work out well.... Of course adding water here isn't working out so well either...
Fk this was hard to watch. Camera operators have nightmares that Red 8k teardowns like this will happen while going through airport security checkpoints.
to be fair, this video has been out for like 3 days and has almost 1 million views. assuming his confidence in not ruining the camera is high, its going to generate a lot of buzz for their channel. People new to the channel here for how bat-shit this stunt is will probably check out older videos generating income on everything possibly as far back as whole room water cooling.
@@Darthquackius But all hes videos get more that 1 million views, even them with cheap AliExpress monitor that costs 200$ so hmm still not worth it business wise, but hell with it, i love watching this kind of video
@@JazibAli360 From a professional standpoint, having it modular is way better for upgrading and repairing. If you want to upgrade or repair something, won't it be better to just change the part, instead of the whole camera system? Your comment is like telling me PC part manufacturers are basically EA because you have to buy every part of the PC instead of an all in one package. Doesn't make sense to me.
@@othmaneaouioued8768 Basically he does teardowns/disassembly vids, with a destructive twist. Quite useful if you need to know how to replace a screen or some shit like that.
Things you don’t want to hear when tearing down a $50k camera. “Oh what the hell?” “Awww man!” “There must be a thermal reason for doing it this way” “Holy crap it’s turning the socket under it. That’s bad.”
@@im.thatoneguy Isn't it the Helium 8K S35? that would be $24,500 USD. Or is it an older body with upgraded internals? It kinda doesn't matter but also it does... I am wondering if RED can repair it. Apple coundn't repair their iMac Pro.
@@K3V0M on one hand i think they're as bad as apple... on the other hand i guess they must have great customer service to be one of the go tos in the movie business... I'm sure they can repair it, but after they ripped that sticker, they'll charge a huge amount for it
The Verge guys could put it together. All you need a table, twizzers, a Swiss Army knife (hopefully has a screwdriver) a wireless anti-static bracelet, and lots of thermal paste.
RED: _"It's not my ability to manage your ability to look inside a camera … if you're not familiar with the parts it's gonna be very difficult to do anything inside a BRAIN™."_
Building $1000 PC (uses anti-static mat) Taking apart a $30,000 camera that isn't designed to open ever especially out of a factory (no anti-static mat)
Linus you're wrong about the lack of a performance gain. Reducing the temperature of the CMOS will improve the low light performance substantially by reducing thermal noise.
also i think it could probably handle more fps for a given resolution than it can in "normal cooling" condition, if only the firmwere would allow that. much like those cameras that, with a firmwere mod, can shoot highierbitrate/fps/resolution than manifacturers allow them to, but often overheat while doing so
@@tedstranix7703 I mean Linus's literal entire career is based on getting attention in the form of views. Attention = money for Linus. This video is probably going to make more than enough to cover any repair costs if he fucks up the camera.
@@tedstranix7703 He also does alot of these things for fun and to see if they are possible. I doubt he needs much attention considering he always gets a large amount of views even on basic videos.
Scientific cameras very often have active, sub-ambient cooling solutions, especially ones with greater bit-depth than 12-bit. For example, in our lab, we have a 16-bit X-ray CCD which is attached to a Peltier element which cools the chip, and the hot side of the Peltier element can be cooled with both air and water. We typically run it at -70 degrees Celsius, as, even compared to -60 degrees, the inherent electrical noise is just sooo much lower. This matters A LOT in high-dynamic-range-applications.
Agreed, I think Linus is actually underestimating the value of cooling the main image sensor. It's amazing to see that consumer level cameras are still all passively cooled, even when we have Sony A7's overheating left and right. In the next decade or so I predict we're going to see a new revolution of cameras with active cooling.
@highks Okay, but the RED 8K is actively cooled. Any other camera could use the same trick of passive while running video, active after that until cool enough.
@@budthecyborg4575 It seems straightforward to run a heat pipe from the image sensor to a plate on the bottom of the DSLR. If the user wants to get it cold, just cool the plate. If you're willing to drag around the weight, you could even put a Peltier on it. It won't work colder than the freezing point of the fluid in the heat pipe, but that could be methanol for a -114 C limit which ain't bad. If you don't cool the plate, the camera just passively cools through it.
Based on my brief understanding in product design and manufacturing, you know it's quality stuff when everything is screwed in instead of clip-on or glued.
Everyone needs to think of this as a business investment in a way. Quite possibly, no one else has taken one of these apart to such an extent and documented it. Linus could literally be the first to do something.... on the internet. That's hard to do, should bring some attention.
@@cinialvespow1054 Sad state the world is in, isn't it? I bet if they released a video called "Linus reviews cat videos", it'd get more...... Really unfortunate how dumbed down society is.
"Some of you at home are probably wondering 'why would you water cool a camera?'..." No, we're still stuck on "This pretty much the dumbest thing you've ever done."
Whole room watercooling works fine if it isn't LTT building it.@@somejester8909 Even AntVenom has done it before, though not with multiple PCs in the loop. linustechtips.com/main/topic/391250-basement-water-cooling-project-no-more-remote-trigger-july82016/
@@lxbeeb There was a known issue with one of their recent videos. I believe it was the second part to the server renovation video. It was only uploading and processing in 360p.
@@lxbeeb Neither his fault, nor the fault of LTT... TH-cam is just a major fuck up. Videos only showing up in 360p has been a very common issue these past days.
Morgan Freeman voice....And the sad little Red camera spent the remainder of it's days in a small bin tucked away in a dusty lonely corner of the LMG studio, where it quietly reflected on what could have been. The End.
I give them a 50% chance that their $50,000 camera won't work after this! 😂 Edit: Here we are two months later and still no part two... 🤔 Do you think if they made such a dumb and costly mistake as to break a RED camera that they'd admit to it in a future video? lol
You guys are nothing short of absolute lunatics, and it's awesome! I am very excited about this potential project, but I do hope you tread carefully when you come up with a plan. I'd love to see some machine work done (by an outside source if needed) to make custom heatsinks so the casing could still be screwed together. That camera is going to be twice as baller status if you are able to pull this off. Good luck!
That's what I was thinking too. The only way they can pull this one off is if they bring in outside help to have water blocks/mounting designed and machined and then all other stuff needed to route the hoses out 3D printed.
Of course this project is possible. But you're going to need *far* more skill than has been displayed in your other builds. I'd get on the horn with CNC mill operators/machinists ASAP and get whichever minion of yours is best with 3D design to start drawing the mating surfaces of all parts to be cooled. Also for those wondering it would take about 35 million views for a TH-cam video to pay for this camera. Not enough cats, dancing or Fortnite for that to happen.
Not just the lack of skill either. This is a big project, not something that can be done in 1 or 2 days with no knowledge of the system being modified. They should have bought a dead red camera and used that, using your production tools is never a good idea.
Just send it to JerryRigEverything and let him do this. Bonus feature: You get a might get clear back panel. But you might also have some scratches and burn marks on it..I wonder how this thing bends..
@@Voxters no they don't. film grain is a thing; you can think of it roughly like pixels, except instead of in a square grid they're distributed randomly and vary in size. that aside, lenses also have limited resolution, there are limits to how perfectly a lens can focus an image (look up "resolving power").
@@spambot7110 Right, but we just talk about different things here, "calculated resolution" and "imperfection" Also youre never able to get anything in 100% focus. So there ever will be a point, where information gets lost.
7:30 - that Xilinx Kintex-7 is actually an FPGA not an ASIC. The 7 series is a few years old now actually and while these ones will run you about £1000 just for a single chip, it's successor, the ultrascale and ultrascale plus series will run you more like £30000-40000 for a single chip. FPGAs are great for custom parallel data processing, that's most likely what it's doing in this application. It's a massive customisable slab of logic gates which are configured by writing verilog/vhdl code on a PC and loading the code onto the chip. It's similar to to the way you you'd write software , but is technically "hardware" development I guess
@@Draco-wq1ch I'm sure you can find emulators created for fpgas. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing an fpga used as a simple graphics card. Almsot any piece of digital hardware can be replicated in an fpga, they're handy little devices
@@willsoe Well shit, I took a couple minutes to research what an FPGA actually is and that sounds quite awesome, however the technology is very expensive. Yeah, hardware emulation at that low of a level sounds awesome actually. Do you have more details on what it does in the RED?
@@Draco-wq1ch Afraid not. I'm not a camera guy at all, but I do use FPGAs for other things at my work. Almost always its for high speed data processing. To give you a crude example, a data processing algorithm we use that takes a few minutes to finish in matlab can be done in under 25 milliseconds in an fpga. It doesn't help you much for general computing power since the fpga had to be designed and tweaked for months to get it that fast and only doing that specific algorithm. So I could take a guess that here the fpga in the camera is just storing/manipulating data (8k raw footage is a HUGE amount of data throughput) or applying some sort of compression/filtering/image processing algorithm.
*Linus* : Hey Red, so ummm... can you like tell us how to take apart your 8k camera? *Red* : NO!!! DO NOT DO IT...YOU WILL BREAK IT *Linus* : Calm down we won't take it apart... *Also Linus* :
I can see Linus going out to Red’s assembly plant or HQ in Irvine and getting some professional help to reassemble their camera. The company is niche enough that they just might
Random TH-cam Reviewer: Flexing by disassembling an expensive piece of consumer electronic tech valued at a couple thousand dollars and not caring... LinusTechTips: Hold My Beer...
it could be root beer, Ginger beer, or even non alcoholic beer. also its just an expression, even if you are holding a glass of milk when the moment arrives you say "hold my beer" no matter what it is, and even if you are not holding anything at all. B^D
it could reduce the noise from the sensor. There are a few aftermarket companies that do cooling mods to DSLRs for long exposure Astro photography that you could look into
As a sound guy that works with red on a lot of films in Phoenix Arizona, I love the idea of a red with no crazy fan noise. They can sound like a jet sometimes.
@@gio9789 Well.. While that is true and people are worried about it like slipping away and so on. Why don't you make some kind of gasket for it? It has an immense pressure a copper or graphite gasket isn't really out of the question and would hold the minimal amount of liquid metal in question.
The Xilinx Kintex-7 is an FPGA -- programmable logic with very flexible pins that can talk to just about anything. Could you read the part number, so we can see if it's got an ARM core or two on it, or if it's just an FPGA? If you are looking at Digikey prices, figure those are 3x what RED pays. Also check for some super-expensive high speed 14 or 16 bit ADCs between the FPGAs and the sensor chip. Can you get part numbers on those? Also, the geometry from the sensor to the lens mount is super sensitive, because you have to hold a micron or two tolerance between the lens and the sensor. That's substantially better than things can be machined, so there's usually some kind of fine tuning screws with loctite on them. If you send me pics I can tell you what much of this stuff is and what it does, for your next video.
Wayyyy late to this party, but i used to work at Xilinx a while back. The Kintex is the "low end" (even if it's still stupid expensive) of their FPGA lines and adding ARM cores into a SoC type thing only started with Zynq-7000 and forward. i can't imagine (of the like...10-20 SKUs per product level) that it's one of the particularly high O/I count variants of the Kintex-7 simply because those suckers put out so much heat. Even if Kintex-7 was touted as "way more power efficient" than Kintex-6.
My dad told me when I was about 8 years of age, and he got his first computer, "Matthew, if you tear this apart, it will be your life". Even then I knew he wouldn't have killed me. But I knew that it would have been more trouble than it was worth.
In terms of the fans turning off while recording. I live in Australia, and on particularly hot days I've had the fans ramp up the speed in the middle of a take to prevent overheating.
Actually cooling down the image sensor decreases the noise! Some star photographers have attached peltier elements to the sensor of the DSLR camera to cool it into sub-zero temperatures
But the Helium sensor actually needs to heat up to get the best image quality. Helium has the least noise at 43/44°C, and that takes a while to get the camera warmed up to that, so water cooling is making me scratch my head. lol www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?161303-Ideal-temperature-35C-40C-42C
@@wreck2 Interesting.. OK the sensor calibration (color accuracy, ISO/sensitivity etc.) is done at some specific temperature, which must be the "typical" temperature after warm-up, but thats kind of weird if the noise performance decreases when decreasing the temperature..kind of fights against the laws of physics :P
@@Petex90 I don't know the science behind it, but people have done tests with sensor calibrations (black shade) at each degree point (35 to 48 or so), and pixel peeped, and 43/44 gives the best results. :shrug:
Yeah, as someone who is broke, I've developed a rule for myself. "Never do something until you are reasonably sure you can undo it with time and care". They few times I don't follow this rule I do stupid shit like deleting my local git repo before pushing changes to the remote. When I follow my rule though I tend to not break shit. Seeing this video though... I'm just really glad that it's not my camera, and that LMG can probably afford another one without destroying their budget(I hope, they are pretty successful, and if Mr. Beast can get that sponsorship money, hopefully LMG can too). Even still though, this stressed me out watching it. Far more than their PC tear downs(even the highly proprietary stuff like Macs seem far simpler). The shear number of ASICs/FPGA boards in that thing, and the way they use ALL the space blows my mind. I thought they might be a bit overpriced, but after seeing this... truly a marvel of engineering. I'm more a software guy, than a hardware one, but even I can tell from the handful of EE courses I've had, those guts are no joke.
to be perfectly honest, as much as I often enjoy these videos, it's really obvious that Linus has little care for the real value of anything. He gets a boatload of money from sponsors and other sources to spend on insanely expensive tech gear that the vast majority of people could never dream of owning themselves and then has no problem often ruining it just to show how little it means to them. Even a multi-millionaire who legitly made their money and was spending their own money would almost never knowingly risk losing such a massive investment on their own dime.
@@aegisofhonor To be honest that level of craziness brings in the sponsor money in the first place. I recall him saying in a crazy expensive pc build video that the 2080 rtx card, one alone costs more than his personal gaming setup. So, I think his splurges and things are mostly related to the technology, and in his personal life his splurges are modest at best. This one project was a bit crazy for him too though.
@@unlokia Just because they have to be taken apart doesn't mean normal people are going to take them apart. Like obviously people at RED are taking them apart, but people at RED aren't going to be posting pictures and guides on the internet, so that's a moot point. Linus wasn't wondering if *anyone* takes them apart, he was wondering if anyone who posts shit on the internet has.
@@After_Pasta Im sorry but most people arent going to feel comfortable taking apart a tiny, extremely complex, super high end camera that costs more than a car
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Make it a sleeper camera. Put it all into old VHS camera body. That's the way easier project ;P (if you guys want to see that, please like this comment)
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Forcing a RED camera to record one of its brothers get dissected. brutal
#fakenews that wasn't a functioning RED 8K.
@@curt8806 Who said the camera wasn't working? I'm only up to about the first minute or two, but if nothing is said here about the camera being non-functional when it was dismantled, where does YOUR information come from?
@@nakyer it wasn't dont' be fooled. #fakenews
@@curt8806 Man you can claim fake news when you have some proof, until then you're a poor man trying to get some attention.
Fabio Mora wow the joke just flew over your head like a satellite in orbit
For sale, Red camera, one careful owner. Some assembly required.
Never been dropped, mint
Even if part 2 isn't water cooling it, part 2 could literally just be attempting to put it all back together.
Yea... at least he took some pictures. Putting stuff like this back together is the hardest part sometimes!
And part 3
This will be a challenge, but linus could make a guide out of it...
@@SoraXiEiRiO But he took SOME pics. In the video itself, he talks about things that he didn't take a pic of and doesn't remember where they came from. So...
Nah just google it. Surely Ifixit has a video on this? ^^,
Next, tear down the new IBM quantum computer.
Drop it instead
They may already have done this, but we wouldn't know until it was observed.
Water cool it
@@KieronMiddleton Nice one
@@BarnyTrubble I mean since they already use things like liquid helium cooling to achieve the temps needed for quantum effects I don't think adding water will work out well.... Of course adding water here isn't working out so well either...
That was the scariest horror movie I've seen in a long time. :D
so true!!!
Yeah Linus better not drop it
like I am 7 all over again.
They should have done this in October... Maybe put a NSFW tag or something
Fk this was hard to watch. Camera operators have nightmares that Red 8k teardowns like this will happen while going through airport security checkpoints.
Anxiety Attack: The Video
Red Anxiety Attack costs $5000
@J Fz try 60,000
@J Fz he will not get 40k money just by one video he just shit his wallet
@J Fz idk but given the fact that his net worth is 15 million dollars I dont really think that he earn 40k in a single video
@J Fz sorry dude if I triggered you my bad yeah you're right 👍
You are not fooling anyone Linus
Just admit you dropped it
haha
One video he is talking about how crazy the price tag is on them. 1 month later "lets tear this camera apart and water cool it". You are the best. 👍👍
to be fair, this video has been out for like 3 days and has almost 1 million views.
assuming his confidence in not ruining the camera is high, its going to generate a lot of buzz for their channel.
People new to the channel here for how bat-shit this stunt is will probably check out older videos generating income on everything possibly as far back as whole room water cooling.
@@Darthquackius But all hes videos get more that 1 million views, even them with cheap AliExpress monitor that costs 200$ so hmm still not worth it business wise, but hell with it, i love watching this kind of video
@@bobbybaeX And even then 1 million views don't make mutch money. Sponsors do.
@@Diggnuts noob
@@Diggnuts he's clueless, but he doesn't clickbait
"Part 2 : Ordering a new Red 8K Camera"
Well at least its only the camera and not all the accessories!
@@KoploperMau RED is EA - charging up for all the DLCs(accessories)
Part 2 : Maybe I should have had my hands shut
@@JazibAli360 From a professional standpoint, having it modular is way better for upgrading and repairing. If you want to upgrade or repair something, won't it be better to just change the part, instead of the whole camera system?
Your comment is like telling me PC part manufacturers are basically EA because you have to buy every part of the PC instead of an all in one package.
Doesn't make sense to me.
@@ParisSanfasteryler You need a pill, take the blue pill. Stay in the system.
Linus is off his meds again.
that's how mafia works!!
All the meds
I cringe watching jerryrig break 1000 dollar phones....this is some next level shit
@@unlokia he does other interesting stuff besides phones
@@othmaneaouioued8768 Basically he does teardowns/disassembly vids, with a destructive twist. Quite useful if you need to know how to replace a screen or some shit like that.
@@unlokia why are you jealous lol
@@daniell5740 Probably because jerryrig makes more money than him.
@@unlokia He has a repair shop irl
Things you don’t want to hear when tearing down a $50k camera.
“Oh what the hell?”
“Awww man!”
“There must be a thermal reason for doing it this way”
“Holy crap it’s turning the socket under it. That’s bad.”
"We are so f***ed"
Omg where did this plug into... I don't remember xD
"All these heat sinks go away."
"We don't have enough clearance"
"It's a victim not a patient" lol
“I don’t remember removing two ends on this....”
"why are we doing this?"
Linus. This camera costs about $50,000. There's a reason why nobody has taken it apart yet.
"Only" $19.5k now if it's an epic w.
@@im.thatoneguy Isn't it the Helium 8K S35? that would be $24,500 USD. Or is it an older body with upgraded internals? It kinda doesn't matter but also it does...
I am wondering if RED can repair it. Apple coundn't repair their iMac Pro.
He has more than one, so...
@@K3V0M on one hand i think they're as bad as apple... on the other hand i guess they must have great customer service to be one of the go tos in the movie business... I'm sure they can repair it, but after they ripped that sticker, they'll charge a huge amount for it
@@therealpanse of course they will charge them but Apple even refused to repair it after LMG stated that they will pay the full price. Dickheads.
The Verge guys could put it together. All you need a table, twizzers, a Swiss Army knife (hopefully has a screwdriver) a wireless anti-static bracelet, and lots of thermal paste.
And a weird guy
Holy Crap, You can always count on Linus to go through extraordinary lengths to scare the crap out of everyone - especially MKBHD
and pretty much any pc company he is associated with
@@jasondads9509 markass brownlee
More like MKBQHD
Rosario Fernandes dude that mark ass brownlee line gets me every time.
Why not have Janice call red tech support and ask then to guide her to put it back together ;)
RED: _"It's not my ability to manage your ability to look inside a camera … if you're not familiar with the parts it's gonna be very difficult to do anything inside a BRAIN™."_
good idea
@@misatzu "Do you have a family member that knows about cameras that can help you?"
@@MrNateFlax _"Not everyone has a family member to help him, smart guy, that's why they bought a pre-bui…"_ - oh, wait
they would lough furiously and hang up.
Original problem: Our camera is running a bit hot
New problem: Our camera is broken
Quite literally
Gabriel Ghanem if it can work better, tear it sport and hope you remember how to fix it.
I mean you can't overclock the camera or am I wrong?
The camera can't overheat if there is no camera *taps head*
This hurts me physically
Man u are everywhere
@@bullettime2808 ikr I saw him on jacksfilms
Does it hurt the sensor if you shine really bright led studio lights for prolonged periods of time?
Suomi mainittu torilla tavataan 😂😂
This is the worst thing I've ever seen Linus attempt. The risk/reward ratio is outrageous.
When there's only 2 minutes of video left and they didn't put the camera back together yet;
_oh crap_
XDDDDDDDD
True 😂
Linus doesn't put things back together. He dismantles and destroys them, documents it, and tells other people to fix it when he leaves.
Building $1000 PC (uses anti-static mat)
Taking apart a $30,000 camera that isn't designed to open ever especially out of a factory (no anti-static mat)
They need more than an anti-static mat for this...
60k*
@Neckslit that's for two cameras plus the *accessories", one block of camera alone costs 49.5k
Oh yeah yeah
lol
Linus you're wrong about the lack of a performance gain. Reducing the temperature of the CMOS will improve the low light performance substantially by reducing thermal noise.
And how many LTT episodes were filmed in the dark?
Soooooo what you're trying to say is, they need LN2 all up in this bitch?
@@beni2cc Exactly. We need more LTT videos on astrophotography!
also i think it could probably handle more fps for a given resolution than it can in "normal cooling" condition, if only the firmwere would allow that.
much like those cameras that, with a firmwere mod, can shoot highierbitrate/fps/resolution than manifacturers allow them to, but often overheat while doing so
@@beni2cc Image all the RGB-in-the-dark shots in the future if they pull this off
This is like watching a train wreck you know it will end in tragedy but you can't look away.
Anyone who takes apart a $60,000 camera is begging for attention
@@tedstranix7703 I mean Linus's literal entire career is based on getting attention in the form of views. Attention = money for Linus. This video is probably going to make more than enough to cover any repair costs if he fucks up the camera.
Donald Bower more then $60k. Uhhhhhh no!
@@tedstranix7703 He also does alot of these things for fun and to see if they are possible. I doubt he needs much attention considering he always gets a large amount of views even on basic videos.
that's the expression I was exactly looking for
"...in 2020?"
"No...we can finish it next year."
This video was shot in 2018.
LMAO
it all make sense now
*wears tinfoil hat*
@@extremecupcakebaker you dont need 4k monitor to see the date. 1080p 15.6" laptop screen is enough.
phone background said december 21 or 31
@@extremecupcakebaker Linux xd
Next
*We add RGB in the camera*
Fresh
More like G and B. It’s already R.
Scientific cameras very often have active, sub-ambient cooling solutions, especially ones with greater bit-depth than 12-bit. For example, in our lab, we have a 16-bit X-ray CCD which is attached to a Peltier element which cools the chip, and the hot side of the Peltier element can be cooled with both air and water. We typically run it at -70 degrees Celsius, as, even compared to -60 degrees, the inherent electrical noise is just sooo much lower. This matters A LOT in high-dynamic-range-applications.
Agreed, I think Linus is actually underestimating the value of cooling the main image sensor.
It's amazing to see that consumer level cameras are still all passively cooled, even when we have Sony A7's overheating left and right. In the next decade or so I predict we're going to see a new revolution of cameras with active cooling.
This thread was more interesting than the video
@highks Okay, but the RED 8K is actively cooled. Any other camera could use the same trick of passive while running video, active after that until cool enough.
@@budthecyborg4575 It seems straightforward to run a heat pipe from the image sensor to a plate on the bottom of the DSLR. If the user wants to get it cold, just cool the plate. If you're willing to drag around the weight, you could even put a Peltier on it. It won't work colder than the freezing point of the fluid in the heat pipe, but that could be methanol for a -114 C limit which ain't bad. If you don't cool the plate, the camera just passively cools through it.
Based on my brief understanding in product design and manufacturing, you know it's quality stuff when everything is screwed in instead of clip-on or glued.
these are cameras meant to withstand years of the rigors of shooting
A camera built for multi-million dollar production budgets better be rugged.
Bobby Brady His comment wasn’t meant to be serious...
@Bobby Brady r/woooosh
iFixit Teardown reference, you guys.
"I'm not sure anyone has done anything like this before."
*_I wonder why Linus, I wonder why._*
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*I wonder why, Linus, I wonder why
For views ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Everyone needs to think of this as a business investment in a way.
Quite possibly, no one else has taken one of these apart to such an extent and documented it. Linus could literally be the first to do something.... on the internet. That's hard to do, should bring some attention.
@@cinialvespow1054 Sad state the world is in, isn't it? I bet if they released a video called "Linus reviews cat videos", it'd get more...... Really unfortunate how dumbed down society is.
If nothing else, this teardown/butchery made it on HaD, which in my book is much more of a legitimizing factor than anything on TH-cam.
@@enigmaPL yep, sure is dumb how the average person like cats but more than highly specific engineering topics outside their domain!
@@Elmojomo what's HaD?
Edit: nevermind, it's HackaDay.
Water-cooling a camera.
The kinds of ideas only LTT can come up with.
People come up with it they just don't do it
Then bash the manufacturer for not wanting to fix the mess they made.
Well, actually...
gotta keep churning videos to get on top of those TH-cam algorithms somehow :)
I'm surprised Jay wasn't first actually
"Some of you at home are probably wondering 'why would you water cool a camera?'..."
No, we're still stuck on "This pretty much the dumbest thing you've ever done."
Nope. We are stuck on why would you disassemble a 50k Camera at all :p
I don't think they're ever going to top whole room water cooling for dumb ideas.
Still entertaining though.
Whole room watercooling works fine if it isn't LTT building it.@@somejester8909
Even AntVenom has done it before, though not with multiple PCs in the loop. linustechtips.com/main/topic/391250-basement-water-cooling-project-no-more-remote-trigger-july82016/
This is why they have been uploading in 360p
You must have a trash device if you can't view in either 720p or 4k 😂
@@lxbeeb There was a known issue with one of their recent videos. I believe it was the second part to the server renovation video.
It was only uploading and processing in 360p.
@@lxbeeb Neither his fault, nor the fault of LTT... TH-cam is just a major fuck up. Videos only showing up in 360p has been a very common issue these past days.
@@graham1158 Yeah, I was forced to watch SlowMoGuys on 360p
@labeeb mirza @Rich @CyberCitizen *its a freakin joke ...*
Morgan Freeman voice....And the sad little Red camera spent the remainder of it's days in a small bin tucked away in a dusty lonely corner of the LMG studio, where it quietly reflected on what could have been. The End.
wow that's sad why can't he be in retirement relaxing after a hard life?
@@Shadow_of_Christ Because Linus tore him apart and was never put back together again.
Nice dude, nice 😂
Reading while hearing it in Mr Freeman's voice inside my head.
And somehow it all seems so good. Linus should hire him to narrate all the teardowns.
Part 2: The Red Redemption
I give them a 50% chance that their $50,000 camera won't work after this! 😂
Edit: Here we are two months later and still no part two... 🤔 Do you think if they made such a dumb and costly mistake as to break a RED camera that they'd admit to it in a future video? lol
85%....!!!!!!!!
It's not gonna work at all I reckon
The body, or "brain" as they call it, is "just" 25k with the helium sensor :D
If it would be Zimbabwe Dollars....
99% because Linus will drop it at some point.
I think after this video Linus needs 50,000 skillshare signups.
I wouldn't be surprised if Linus ends up dismantling Elon's next SpaceX reusable rocket.
*LINUS HOW DID YOU BREAK THE FUEL PUMP*
Watercooled rockets ? Hell yeah
RGB rocket!
@@Am65103 Forget reusable, it wouldn't even be usable.
😂🤣😛
Can't wait for a watercooled Falcon Heavy
NEW EPISODE ON SKILLSHARE!
How to assemble a RED camera from scratch.
Or at least zip-tie it together...
Ikea stuff up in here
NEW EPISODE HOW TO SMELT FIFTYTHOUSAND DOLLARS OF HIGHGRADE CAMERA EQUIPMENT
@@dimitris470 haha you made my day
Using a RED to record the death of its comrade... F
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*Next Video* "RED REFUSED to fix our 50k dollar camera"
Nah, they offered to fix it without reinstating the warranty, for a minor $54,500 (saving them $500 versus a new one assuming an even 50k price tag).
More like 140k.
Lmfao
Hey I’m oh yeah yeah
@@EpicMind500 they have the helium model, it only costs 25000$
You guys are nothing short of absolute lunatics, and it's awesome! I am very excited about this potential project, but I do hope you tread carefully when you come up with a plan. I'd love to see some machine work done (by an outside source if needed) to make custom heatsinks so the casing could still be screwed together. That camera is going to be twice as baller status if you are able to pull this off. Good luck!
That's what I was thinking too. The only way they can pull this one off is if they bring in outside help to have water blocks/mounting designed and machined and then all other stuff needed to route the hoses out 3D printed.
They do have a CNC but I don't know if it would work for this type of project
Plus when tearing down a device like this a more professional approach may be better than their usual 'just use zipties'
Jerry Rig Everything level 1000 🔥
Yeah baby
should've done a scratch test on the sensor
Anton Lindström lol *takes sapphire to sensor and lens*
#MakeTheCaseClear
@@ctskifreaks Nothing like ambient light shining on the sensor from every direction. Make the whole thing clear.
Of course this project is possible. But you're going to need *far* more skill than has been displayed in your other builds. I'd get on the horn with CNC mill operators/machinists ASAP and get whichever minion of yours is best with 3D design to start drawing the mating surfaces of all parts to be cooled.
Also for those wondering it would take about 35 million views for a TH-cam video to pay for this camera. Not enough cats, dancing or Fortnite for that to happen.
Ben Heck Hacks heeeeeeeeeeell yeah Ben heck, my man
You called minions to the workers
Was wondering if it was worth taking apart a 30k+ camera for 3-4 millions views well if it does work it's a nice project for rich people :P
Not just the lack of skill either. This is a big project, not something that can be done in 1 or 2 days with no knowledge of the system being modified. They should have bought a dead red camera and used that, using your production tools is never a good idea.
The L E G E N D himself
So is this the start of the new series "$#!T Linus does" XD
*Expensive shit Linus does.
Nope, that series started years ago as a spin off from NGIX. 😉 They called it Linus Tech Tips.
The ECW of Unboxing
Just send it to JerryRigEverything and let him do this. Bonus feature: You get a might get clear back panel. But you might also have some scratches and burn marks on it..I wonder how this thing bends..
A Lego style connector
It'll have some scratches at a levels six, with deeper grooves at a level 7.
@@SBYoda Damn. I wanted to post this
@@SBYoda like Most other smartphones
Comment feed of the month
"Don't hold your breath for 2020."
Linus - "What no we'll be on it."
2020 "We Water Cooled an 8k Camera!"
Linus, find a way to cool the sensor as well! Will give better signal to noise performance at higher ISOs
magadon ruferto I was thinking the same thing. Strap on an appropriate pre-cooler and Bob's your uncle.
**Red warranty department has left the chat**
*RED CEO has entered the chat*
It's a victim, not a patient. I'm was like.... WOO....
I'm was like
@@thevengeous6127 Killing English
Came for the sugary, stayed for the autopsy. LMAO
Thats why he bought two. To film the teardown of the RED Camera with a RED Camera...
A red camera filming it's brother's death 😂😂
Joe C faked. They got a non working copy sent to them.
How would you know that?
@@MrNosugarcoating 1. Proof, and 2. even if it was non working there would be parts that would be worth a fuck ton of money.
Just submerge it in minral oil and make it oil cooled..
Does skillshare have any classes on putting expensive 8k cameras back together? Asking for Linus :P
Let's overclock and RGB it!
lol😂
"Red" is rebranded to "RGB" !
I came from the future, your next vieo is in 360p
hahaha
Fun Fact: Old greyscale pictures have infinite resolution (well, down to an atom atleast).
@ Gustavo......
beer through my nose .....
Thats a Fking Rippa!
@@Voxters no they don't. film grain is a thing; you can think of it roughly like pixels, except instead of in a square grid they're distributed randomly and vary in size. that aside, lenses also have limited resolution, there are limits to how perfectly a lens can focus an image (look up "resolving power").
@@spambot7110 Right, but we just talk about different things here, "calculated resolution" and "imperfection"
Also youre never able to get anything in 100% focus. So there ever will be a point, where information gets lost.
An extra kg of Thermal Paste makes it quiter and cooler - THE VERGE
i think we got to the point where we don't talk about that anymore
it's more like tons of Thermal paste than a KG. =)
@@thomasvandenbergh1098 Why not??
too much paste means poor contact/design.
That's why its chuging air between takes.
@@michaelansbro1512 Congratulations, welcome to the joke.
7:30 - that Xilinx Kintex-7 is actually an FPGA not an ASIC. The 7 series is a few years old now actually and while these ones will run you about £1000 just for a single chip, it's successor, the ultrascale and ultrascale plus series will run you more like £30000-40000 for a single chip.
FPGAs are great for custom parallel data processing, that's most likely what it's doing in this application. It's a massive customisable slab of logic gates which are configured by writing verilog/vhdl code on a PC and loading the code onto the chip. It's similar to to the way you you'd write software , but is technically "hardware" development I guess
so a $30k Arduino that plays games? Thicc
@@Draco-wq1ch I'm sure you can find emulators created for fpgas. I'm pretty sure I remember seeing an fpga used as a simple graphics card.
Almsot any piece of digital hardware can be replicated in an fpga, they're handy little devices
@@willsoe Well shit, I took a couple minutes to research what an FPGA actually is and that sounds quite awesome, however the technology is very expensive. Yeah, hardware emulation at that low of a level sounds awesome actually. Do you have more details on what it does in the RED?
@@Draco-wq1ch Afraid not. I'm not a camera guy at all, but I do use FPGAs for other things at my work.
Almost always its for high speed data processing. To give you a crude example, a data processing algorithm we use that takes a few minutes to finish in matlab can be done in under 25 milliseconds in an fpga. It doesn't help you much for general computing power since the fpga had to be designed and tweaked for months to get it that fast and only doing that specific algorithm.
So I could take a guess that here the fpga in the camera is just storing/manipulating data (8k raw footage is a HUGE amount of data throughput) or applying some sort of compression/filtering/image processing algorithm.
You're the real MVP in the comments
Linus: takes apart an expensive camera
Parts: cost a lot
Linus: wut
Just passin through *insert shocked pikachu face here*
*Linus* : Hey Red, so ummm... can you like tell us how to take apart your 8k camera?
*Red* : NO!!! DO NOT DO IT...YOU WILL BREAK IT
*Linus* : Calm down we won't take it apart...
*Also Linus* :
Sumeda De Silva Redwood want you to take apart the camera so you will break it and you would have to buy another one
Next stream: Linus reassembles the camera with help from a red employee.
*red refused to fix our camera* lol
Actually, he's recorded the whole disassembly process so all he has to do is play it back in reverse for himself lol
The reverse process involves putting the parts in a box and sending it to Red.
@@thomasp4902 i think red's reaction will be
1. WTF?
2.WTF??
3. we are definitely not gonna pay for the fix of this
I can see Linus going out to Red’s assembly plant or HQ in Irvine and getting some professional help to reassemble their camera. The company is niche enough that they just might
No one leave Linus near the International space station, he will want to water cool that too
ISS is ammonia cooled
It literally water cooled with their own pee
@@unlokia you spend too much time in the comments section
@@unlokia u r the guy who had some weird disorder starting from A........
Gaurav Sharma yea, antisocial personality disorder of course
Linus will take apart a $50,000 camera, but refuses to root his phone.
rooting disables Samsung pay functionality
and Knox
@@After_Pasta I'm a high functioning autist so I tend to take things at face value.
@@unlokia strange, aspies are generally atheists.
@@_Atzin Yeah, really high functioning there.
What happened with this project? Where is the next video??
He's still trying to find a way to stick rgb in it
@@josealcazar2922 LOL :D :D :D
It's here now
@@israeldelarosa5461 yea? 😁
@@penkatadrums Yea. They dont install the Watercooler yet however. Just work to undo the damage they did in this video
Did I just witness a murder?
And it was cold-blooded too
The Red 8K camera didn't just die... it was murdered
Literally torn to pieces
@@Arbiter099 The Red 8K camera wasn't just murdered... it was assassinated
Linus: Takes apart camera
*Camera breaks
Linus: Pikachu face
That meme is long gone
Aharon gootvilig 2 weeks= 200 meme years
*But does it scratch at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7?*
As we all know, aluminium scratches at a level 4, with deeper grooves at level 5.
It's sapphire
Well it doesn't come off like a little lego i guess...
When you need more expenses for your business
“Let’s just destroy a 50k camera “
This video gave me anxiety
This is like watching a patient try to hotswap their own artificial heart... And fail.
Random TH-cam Reviewer: Flexing by disassembling an expensive piece of consumer electronic tech valued at a couple thousand dollars and not caring...
LinusTechTips: Hold My Beer...
Raven 55k
*Hold my Cranberry Juice.
Linus doesn't drink.
@@Vaati 25k with the helium sensor... if you want to correct people, do it right.
it could be root beer, Ginger beer, or even non alcoholic beer. also its just an expression, even if you are holding a glass of milk when the moment arrives you say "hold my beer" no matter what it is, and even if you are not holding anything at all. B^D
@@Edzewkurai Could be a joke-beer.
This is just one of these things you'll not find anywhere else..
There is retarded and there is actions that event retarded do not comprehend. This is such actions, purely genius.
Screw water cooling! It needs rgb instead!
@@unlokia it needs more... the more rgb the better the performance!
it could reduce the noise from the sensor. There are a few aftermarket companies that do cooling mods to DSLRs for long exposure Astro photography that you could look into
Watercool it with MKBHD's tears. 😭
The lighting in that opening shot.. what lighting?!
If I bought an 8K camera, it would take apart my life.
Remember LukeTechTips? I remember
If you can afford an 8K camera --- you have a nice life to begin with
As a sound guy that works with red on a lot of films in Phoenix Arizona, I love the idea of a red with no crazy fan noise. They can sound like a jet sometimes.
Phantoms are crazy loud too. Especially the high end ones. But like, ALL the time. Reds at least stop when you start recording... Sometimes...
Just liquid metal it tbh
@@No-mq5lw 50k disaster has already happend
the ploblem is that liquid metal doesn't stick heatsink
@@gio9789 Well..
While that is true and people are worried about it like slipping away and so on.
Why don't you make some kind of gasket for it?
It has an immense pressure a copper or graphite gasket isn't really out of the question and would hold the minimal amount of liquid metal in question.
@@No-mq5lw its also destroying solder joints, watch luis rossmann on grafics cards with shuntmods.. so no liquid for the 55k camera..
You probably shouldn't liquid metal thing with that high temperature range
The Xilinx Kintex-7 is an FPGA -- programmable logic with very flexible pins that can talk to just about anything. Could you read the part number, so we can see if it's got an ARM core or two on it, or if it's just an FPGA? If you are looking at Digikey prices, figure those are 3x what RED pays. Also check for some super-expensive high speed 14 or 16 bit ADCs between the FPGAs and the sensor chip. Can you get part numbers on those? Also, the geometry from the sensor to the lens mount is super sensitive, because you have to hold a micron or two tolerance between the lens and the sensor. That's substantially better than things can be machined, so there's usually some kind of fine tuning screws with loctite on them. If you send me pics I can tell you what much of this stuff is and what it does, for your next video.
Try emailing the email address at th-cam.com/users/LinusTechTipsabout . Also try posting it in the forums for visibility.
They're not interested in that kind of details. I wish @eevblog could disassemble one for that :)
@@ahmetkipkip AvI would get it back together [ zip ties and gorilla taped maybe] :D
Wayyyy late to this party, but i used to work at Xilinx a while back. The Kintex is the "low end" (even if it's still stupid expensive) of their FPGA lines and adding ARM cores into a SoC type thing only started with Zynq-7000 and forward. i can't imagine (of the like...10-20 SKUs per product level) that it's one of the particularly high O/I count variants of the Kintex-7 simply because those suckers put out so much heat. Even if Kintex-7 was touted as "way more power efficient" than Kintex-6.
@@geo100020002 Allah korumuş 😄
Hay red support, for some reason our camera is not working can you repair it.
Apparently they won't do it because their not certified.
Def the call coming up haha
but they already dissembled it so they made their job easier.
I can’t believe you’ve done this.
See parents?
THIS is why you don't let your kids unsupervised with a screwdriver
My dad told me when I was about 8 years of age, and he got his first computer, "Matthew, if you tear this apart, it will be your life". Even then I knew he wouldn't have killed me. But I knew that it would have been more trouble than it was worth.
12:15 Alex predicted the completion year of 2020. Alex is all-knowing.
Ok, now I will definitely feel better when opening devices without knowing what I'm doing
But why?
@@RabbitConfirmed why not?
Антон Южаков but why?
Have you tried turning it off and back on?
Linus as a kid: takes apart 200$ fridge
Linus now: takes apart 46000$ camera
Linus 20 years from now: takes apart 1000000$ RMX card
RMX card?
Nvidia isn’t to far off that price
@@CED99 RMX is ray marching. th-cam.com/video/PGtv-dBi2wE/w-d-xo.html
Linus 30 years from now: takes apart international space station
In terms of the fans turning off while recording. I live in Australia, and on particularly hot days I've had the fans ramp up the speed in the middle of a take to prevent overheating.
Heres before the title was "How will I put this back together??"
you took apart an 8k camera because you just got 8 million subscribers! congrats!
By that logic they should have disassembled some ancient 8M camera instead.
This is the most stressful video to watch, and I didn't even pay for the camera.
Well, if you watched Linus before they bought the cameras, it means that you actually kind of paid for it by watching their videos...
@@max2themax what if i used adblocker ?
We VOIDED an expensive 8K Camera warranty and posted the video for evidence!
WaveArsenal and I salute them for it
Actually cooling down the image sensor decreases the noise! Some star photographers have attached peltier elements to the sensor of the DSLR camera to cool it into sub-zero temperatures
But the Helium sensor actually needs to heat up to get the best image quality. Helium has the least noise at 43/44°C, and that takes a while to get the camera warmed up to that, so water cooling is making me scratch my head. lol
www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?161303-Ideal-temperature-35C-40C-42C
@@wreck2 Interesting.. OK the sensor calibration (color accuracy, ISO/sensitivity etc.) is done at some specific temperature, which must be the "typical" temperature after warm-up, but thats kind of weird if the noise performance decreases when decreasing the temperature..kind of fights against the laws of physics :P
@@Petex90 I don't know the science behind it, but people have done tests with sensor calibrations (black shade) at each degree point (35 to 48 or so), and pixel peeped, and 43/44 gives the best results. :shrug:
speaking of sub zero... mk11 is right around the corner
@Z3U5 thermal noise, probably.
My breaking-things-by-taking-them-apart senses are tingling.
So. True.
Yeah, as someone who is broke, I've developed a rule for myself. "Never do something until you are reasonably sure you can undo it with time and care". They few times I don't follow this rule I do stupid shit like deleting my local git repo before pushing changes to the remote. When I follow my rule though I tend to not break shit. Seeing this video though... I'm just really glad that it's not my camera, and that LMG can probably afford another one without destroying their budget(I hope, they are pretty successful, and if Mr. Beast can get that sponsorship money, hopefully LMG can too). Even still though, this stressed me out watching it. Far more than their PC tear downs(even the highly proprietary stuff like Macs seem far simpler). The shear number of ASICs/FPGA boards in that thing, and the way they use ALL the space blows my mind. I thought they might be a bit overpriced, but after seeing this... truly a marvel of engineering. I'm more a software guy, than a hardware one, but even I can tell from the handful of EE courses I've had, those guts are no joke.
Right
This is the first project that genuinely gave me anxiety... Who thought this was a good idea? lmfao
wtfitsaduck ._. Nobody
Linus did apparently. He's the one that makes the budget to take risks like this.
to be perfectly honest, as much as I often enjoy these videos, it's really obvious that Linus has little care for the real value of anything. He gets a boatload of money from sponsors and other sources to spend on insanely expensive tech gear that the vast majority of people could never dream of owning themselves and then has no problem often ruining it just to show how little it means to them. Even a multi-millionaire who legitly made their money and was spending their own money would almost never knowingly risk losing such a massive investment on their own dime.
@@aegisofhonor To be honest that level of craziness brings in the sponsor money in the first place. I recall him saying in a crazy expensive pc build video that the 2080 rtx card, one alone costs more than his personal gaming setup. So, I think his splurges and things are mostly related to the technology, and in his personal life his splurges are modest at best. This one project was a bit crazy for him too though.
@@aegisofhonor not as bad as some of the youtubers who buy, for example, 1,000,000 orbeez to fill a backyard
A watercooled ziptied ex-ultra-expensive 8k camera... Sounds great!
why has nobody taken them apart its because they are fricking expensive
@@unlokia Just because they have to be taken apart doesn't mean normal people are going to take them apart. Like obviously people at RED are taking them apart, but people at RED aren't going to be posting pictures and guides on the internet, so that's a moot point.
Linus wasn't wondering if *anyone* takes them apart, he was wondering if anyone who posts shit on the internet has.
@@After_Pasta Im sorry but most people arent going to feel comfortable taking apart a tiny, extremely complex, super high end camera that costs more than a car
@@unlokia Someone who isn't employed by RED to take these apart as part of their job.
r/imverysmart
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Make it a sleeper camera. Put it all into old VHS camera body. That's the way easier project ;P (if you guys want to see that, please like this comment)
You got that idea from the sleeper PC in the background didn't you
No its too beautiful this way
That would be pretty dope, ngl
Honestly yeah it would be much easier to water cool if it was in a different body as well, but they would have to do some jank techsavy magic.
That is so stupid id love to see it 😂
Linus this is the kind of quality content I subscribe for
Nobody:
Linus Tech Tips: WE TOOK APART A $50,000 8K CAMERA
Okay, I give you credit for opening up that kind of a camera. They're not cheap. And, you have my respect for doing this. I am impressed.
not cheap? they cost more than most cars do...
@@johnuferbach9166 That doesn't sound very cheap.
@@johnuferbach9166 I could have bought 4 modern all-the-bells-and-whistles cars for that.
@John that was my point! LOL. Thank you for this comment.
@XdivineExp, I know right!
Just cool it in a tank of mineral oil.
I'm sure the camera guys will love it.
Anyone else worried Linus is gonna drop that thing at the beginning?
Watched it for 0:02 sec and yes
Daniel, you're first again!
First thought
Yep
no
and then Linus went to his office and started crying!