Gate and triggers are digital type signals that are either high, normally +5V, or low, almost always 0V. Gate remains high as long as a note is held. Trigger is high only very briefly, perhaps just 1ms, and typically will go high only at the start of a new note. Moog did things a little differently. V-trig is basically equivalent to the gate, and their trigger is like a gate but is more like a switch closing when a note is pressed.
I agree the terms are used differently by different people - The way I look at it is that when a trigger goes from 0 to say 5V it's that transition that will trigger something, what it does after that is not so interesting. But with a gate the initial increase to 5V starts something (opens the gate) and when it returns to 0 sometime later it stops what it started (closed the gate).
Some synths use exotic trigger/gate voltages.. Roland 100M 15 Volts, EMS synthi -7 to +7, Korg MS series +5 to 0 gates the EG. ALWAYS check and double check what is required to save breaking anything.
Trigger is a short pulse. A gate can be of any length. When you press a key on a synth, the gate opens. When you release the key, the gate closes. This gate is most commonly used to trigger an envelope, but you can use it for tons of stuff with modular.
Richard Lacy Yes! It’s cv that can be used for anything, not just to open an ADSR envelope. Could have it open a filter or change the frequency of an oscillator, for instance. Can invert a gate, or attenuate it, or whatever.
Thanks Richard, that's helpful. Been getting my head round how it works with my ARP Avatar as there's CV/gate and trigger in. Without the trigger, if you play legato, the envelope isn't retriggered. But if you send a trigger in time with your playing, it will retrigger whilst playing legato. Obviously detached playing retriggers the envelope. My other synths just have CV/GATE and the triggering isn't needed to achieve the same result, so was a bit confusing initially.
Glad to help a bit Alex. The Avatar is an unusual synth and I've never tried one. So the trigger just fires the envelope off again. Actually, does it fire off the main ADSR, or the AR envelope? When you say 'play', do you mean with a guitar, or with a keyboard feeding the CV and gate? Fascinating synth, of which I know very little!
@@RichardLacyMusic It fires off both envelopes. I've been using with CV/gate in either from another synth or from a BeatStep. In the process of getting the hexaphonic guitar pickup /cable for it so I can set that up. Intrigued by that part of it. Otherwise it's identical to an Odyssey mark III (which is very cool in its own right of course).
I really love using the Resonant Garden from Folktek. Actually, a LOT of their gear is pretty incredible. Check their site out. The garden is a good place to start, every time I use it, I find something new and exciting and amazingly transportive!
Gate- Outputs a constant 5V gate signal for as long as a key is pressed. This typically is patched to an envelope generator or voltage-controlled amplifier to control amplitude. Trig- A trigger signal is much like a gate signal, but instead of staying high while a key is held, it briefly outputs 5V then returns to 0V (roughly 0.02 milliseconds). It’s often used to turn something on or off, or trigger a "one-shot" drum sound.
Really enjoying the sounds you are putting together. I've been using a pair of modulated (cheap'ish) Doepfer SEM filters as a unit. In unison they sound marvelous and the options they provide as a pair such as series/parallel routing, HP + BP, stacked, etc make these relatively cost effective ebay outcast a no brainer. Recently paired one with a Wasp filter... oh, yeah! Looking forward to your next installment of how professionals do it :)
Very inspiring video guys👍 my Yamaha YS200 4 operator FM Synth paired with my Boss GT5 multieffects is plenty enough for me,I never tire of the infinite tonal possibilities of FM synthesis 🙂
Loving this new direction for Spitfire :) And god I would love to work on this project! I live in Edinburgh and have a bunch of modular you don't seem to have in your rack, just sayin ;) btw gates and triggers are fairly similar, only a gate stays open above a threshold of voltage, whereas a trigger will pulse very quickly when it's voltage threshold is hit. Gates are traditionally used for east coast style Envelope Generators, whereas a trig would be more seen for striking something like maths to get super plucky west coast style stuff :)
Trigger is a single pulse, gate opens and closes and therefore there is a time element.Often doesn't make a difference, sometimes does, depending on the module.
christian , the way you shape your sounds : you really need an intellijel/cyclonix rainmaker....ultimate delay / comb filter on earth that can turn any shitty sound or bleep/blop into a glorious cinematic journey. not cheap for sure, but the kind of module that makes you forget your strymon's...thx anyway for this new video, inspiring as always with your channel
its probably already been answered but trigger is a short pulse (usually 1ms or so long) a gate can be any length. at 0 volts gate will be closed at lets say 5v the gate will open. (and unlike a trigger you can specify how long it stays open) they are essentially the same thing but gate has the added control of time. triggers you would use to trigger for example a one shot drum or start a sequencer playing (single left click the play button) gates you would use for long sustaining events (left click, hold and drag) sorry for the shitty analogy but it's the best i could think of :)
I’m very interested CH. the first thing I thought of was the possibilities that lie within “combinations”, and the very purposeful categorizing of sounds that might work together, as well as random combo / build you own. Very exciting. I feel like a fly (sitting on a suggestion box) on the wall. Can’t wait to see where this leads. Spitfire rules the planet!!
Bitwig 3 (it's in beta) has been my modular playground of late. Lots of fun playing around with writing different algorithms, and it's a very interactive/feedback loop based process. I've played with things like Reaktor and Max before, and while they're very powerful they never felt quite like an instrument to me. It was very much a sit back and design, and then play/iterate as a separate piece. Bitwig's Grid (and VCV Rack) have been a nice step into more of a merger between instrumentation/playing and programming.
With GATE, the Release begins as soon as input signal is removed - more interactive; with TRIGGER: The envelope will generate Attack and Release - more independent of interaction
I love putting stuff through the filters on both my Minimoog and Korg MS20 - obviously both totally different, individually, and very unique when combined... Sadly I have to sell the Minimoog, as I'm totally skint... :(
Like others are saying, triggers are momentary and very short. Gates stay open as long as it continues to receive a signal. Gates are great for ADSRs, since the continuing signal allows it to stay on the sustain phase. A trigger will skip it.
Check out the Elektrosluch mic(s) from LOM Audio, they allow you to hear ElectroMagnetic Fields - a whole new soundscape thats otherwise hidden from us!
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FanBoyNerdAlert when you see that you have some of the same converters as Christian Henson.
Think of gate as a keyboard on and off signal, ie it’s on for as long as you’d hold down the note and trigger as a short pulse to trigger, say an adsr.
Massively interesting. Even more so than usual I have been using my helix floor recently to fire midi changes notes clock etc. Combined with a slew of effects in stereo makes time pass to quickly. Also patching in my strymon boxes is bliss. The volante in stereo is actually quite astonishing
Someone will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe gate contains "note on/note off", whereas trigger only has "note on" information, if that makes sense? Kinda like the difference between an AD vs ADSR envelope. So triggers are usually better for oneshot events like plucks and percussion. Loving the new rack!
Hi, Christian. A College Orchestra music director heard one of my compositions created using mostly Albion V and asked If I would give him the score for the budding orchestral players to play. A novice question if you can help.... How do you print out the score from Logic in a way that an orchestra would understand it? How do you do it when preparing for orchestral recording? Thank you for sharing your musical journey and your many insights into the full spectrum development that one needs to do to be successful. It is so much more than creativity and passion alone. Be well. E
The things you do to get a sample library like Albion sounding nice as a recording in a DAW do not translate to accurate notation at all, so you can either export the MIDI files for each instrument into a score editor like Sibelius or Musescore, or make a new version of your Logic project and use Logic's score editor, but either way it will take a LOT of changes to make the score acceptable to give to players. And chances are, once you have a decent looking score prepared for your players, if you play back the MIDI then it will sound terrible compared to the nice mockup you had with Albion previously. Unfortunately preparing a piece for live players and preparing a mockup on a DAW are just totally different animals.
@@MrSquare Thank you for your helpful response. Christian and Y'all at Spitfire go the extra and beyond to create a community of music composers inside your business model which is rare these days. Every business has to generate income to continue, and we all need to do it, but how we are inside that is everything. I value the fact that you took the time to follow up with a response to a somewhat not related public comment. Creating the music is one thing, Sharing it with others is another domain all to itself. Best wishes, Ed
ps. Matthew... just thought that you may not work with Christian or Spitfire and are part of the music composers community responding to my question. If that is the case, Thank you. my assumption.
Gate and triggers are digital type signals that are either high, normally +5V, or low, almost always 0V. Gate remains high as long as a note is held. Trigger is high only very briefly, perhaps just 1ms, and typically will go high only at the start of a new note.
Moog did things a little differently. V-trig is basically equivalent to the gate, and their trigger is like a gate but is more like a switch closing when a note is pressed.
I agree the terms are used differently by different people - The way I look at it is that when a trigger goes from 0 to say 5V it's that transition that will trigger something, what it does after that is not so interesting. But with a gate the initial increase to 5V starts something (opens the gate) and when it returns to 0 sometime later it stops what it started (closed the gate).
More information for those interested:
www.emusician.com/how-to/how-to-understanding-synth-gates-and-triggers
Some synths use exotic trigger/gate voltages.. Roland 100M 15 Volts, EMS synthi -7 to +7, Korg MS series +5 to 0 gates the EG. ALWAYS check and double check what is required to save breaking anything.
"I'll show you how to play a F*?king Juno" Hahahaha...
When you shoot a gun it has a trigger and it goes bang, when you open a gate it can slam shut or you can leave it open or hold it open for someone etc
Trigger is a short pulse. A gate can be of any length. When you press a key on a synth, the gate opens. When you release the key, the gate closes. This gate is most commonly used to trigger an envelope, but you can use it for tons of stuff with modular.
Richard Lacy Yes! It’s cv that can be used for anything, not just to open an ADSR envelope. Could have it open a filter or change the frequency of an oscillator, for instance. Can invert a gate, or attenuate it, or whatever.
Lifeblood of the modular ecosystem!
Thanks Richard, that's helpful.
Been getting my head round how it works with my ARP Avatar as there's CV/gate and trigger in. Without the trigger, if you play legato, the envelope isn't retriggered. But if you send a trigger in time with your playing, it will retrigger whilst playing legato.
Obviously detached playing retriggers the envelope.
My other synths just have CV/GATE and the triggering isn't needed to achieve the same result, so was a bit confusing initially.
Glad to help a bit Alex. The Avatar is an unusual synth and I've never tried one.
So the trigger just fires the envelope off again. Actually, does it fire off the main ADSR, or the AR envelope?
When you say 'play', do you mean with a guitar, or with a keyboard feeding the CV and gate?
Fascinating synth, of which I know very little!
@@RichardLacyMusic It fires off both envelopes. I've been using with CV/gate in either from another synth or from a BeatStep.
In the process of getting the hexaphonic guitar pickup /cable for it so I can set that up. Intrigued by that part of it. Otherwise it's identical to an Odyssey mark III (which is very cool in its own right of course).
Love the birdsong at the end. Maybe you could create and factor in some modular singing birds to chase the tails with you!
"I like chasing tail" classic
This sounds amazing. That Juno through the Modular is incredible!
Wow that Juno sounds KILLER!
Don't let that Wolfie give you any sh*t!
I really love using the Resonant Garden from Folktek. Actually, a LOT of their gear is pretty incredible. Check their site out. The garden is a good place to start, every time I use it, I find something new and exciting and amazingly transportive!
Gate- Outputs a constant 5V gate signal for as long as a key is pressed. This typically is patched to an envelope generator or voltage-controlled amplifier to control amplitude.
Trig- A trigger signal is much like a gate signal, but instead of staying high while a key is held, it briefly outputs 5V then returns to 0V (roughly 0.02 milliseconds). It’s often used to turn something on or off, or trigger a "one-shot" drum sound.
Really enjoying the sounds you are putting together.
I've been using a pair of modulated (cheap'ish) Doepfer SEM filters as a unit. In unison they sound marvelous and the options they provide as a pair such as series/parallel routing, HP + BP, stacked, etc make these relatively cost effective ebay outcast a no brainer. Recently paired one with a Wasp filter... oh, yeah!
Looking forward to your next installment of how professionals do it :)
Something hypnotic about watching the endless tinkering for sounds
Very inspiring video guys👍 my Yamaha YS200 4 operator FM Synth paired with my Boss GT5 multieffects is plenty enough for me,I never tire of the infinite tonal possibilities of FM synthesis 🙂
Loving this new direction for Spitfire :) And god I would love to work on this project! I live in Edinburgh and have a bunch of modular you don't seem to have in your rack, just sayin ;) btw gates and triggers are fairly similar, only a gate stays open above a threshold of voltage, whereas a trigger will pulse very quickly when it's voltage threshold is hit. Gates are traditionally used for east coast style Envelope Generators, whereas a trig would be more seen for striking something like maths to get super plucky west coast style stuff :)
what is the sample library these sounds went into?^^ Sounds beautiful!
Trigger is a single pulse, gate opens and closes and therefore there is a time element.Often doesn't make a difference, sometimes does, depending on the module.
Sound is a wonderful thing - it makes me glad I'm alive!
christian , the way you shape your sounds : you really need an intellijel/cyclonix rainmaker....ultimate delay / comb filter on earth that can turn any shitty sound or bleep/blop into a glorious cinematic journey. not cheap for sure, but the kind of module that makes you forget your strymon's...thx anyway for this new video, inspiring as always with your channel
"I love chasing tail"
Christian Henson. 2019
Ha... I feel this one fell under a lot of peoples radars!
Mutable Instruments Elements is a nice module to "mill" sounds from...
I am truly fascinated by this series of videos ive been watching since i am 14 and i hope i will someday have a f***g juno xD
its probably already been answered but trigger is a short pulse (usually 1ms or so long) a gate can be any length.
at 0 volts gate will be closed at lets say 5v the gate will open. (and unlike a trigger you can specify how long it stays open)
they are essentially the same thing but gate has the added control of time.
triggers you would use to trigger for example a one shot drum or start a sequencer playing (single left click the play button)
gates you would use for long sustaining events (left click, hold and drag)
sorry for the shitty analogy but it's the best i could think of :)
Nils Frahm tape slip. Gorgeous!
"I love chasing tails" is very personal info! Great video! I love your excitement!
I absolutely love this sort of stuff
I’m very interested CH. the first thing I thought of was the possibilities that lie within “combinations”, and the very purposeful categorizing of sounds that might work together, as well as random combo / build you own. Very exciting. I feel like a fly (sitting on a suggestion box) on the wall. Can’t wait to see where this leads. Spitfire rules the planet!!
sounds so great!!
Bitwig 3 (it's in beta) has been my modular playground of late. Lots of fun playing around with writing different algorithms, and it's a very interactive/feedback loop based process.
I've played with things like Reaktor and Max before, and while they're very powerful they never felt quite like an instrument to me. It was very much a sit back and design, and then play/iterate as a separate piece. Bitwig's Grid (and VCV Rack) have been a nice step into more of a merger between instrumentation/playing and programming.
Something I guess could be very intresting is sampling a Moog Model D but to be able to play it like a polyphonic synth. Very intresting Video!!!
why get a sampled moog? why not just have a synthesizer?
Lovely. Just like you said: the opposite of perfect is life. I love the almost there.
Looking forward to that piano sample library too !
Love the plasma drive
With GATE, the Release begins as soon as input signal is removed - more interactive;
with TRIGGER: The envelope will generate Attack and Release - more independent of interaction
DN780 Freeze or RMX16 9.9s Ambience are always fun on more plucky dx style sounds (which is somewhat a direction that pluck can take).
I recently obtained a Novation Bass Station rack unit. Been having loads of fun running it through a guitar amp + delays + modulation.
Amazing sounds
VCVRack is a NOT SO expensive (free) piece of kit that I've been using to mill a lot of sounds.
absolutely, it's a fantastic piece of software. A lot of the previous Modular Mondays have been showing basic modular concepts using VCVRack
I love putting stuff through the filters on both my Minimoog and Korg MS20 - obviously both totally different, individually, and very unique when combined... Sadly I have to sell the Minimoog, as I'm totally skint... :(
Like others are saying, triggers are momentary and very short. Gates stay open as long as it continues to receive a signal. Gates are great for ADSRs, since the continuing signal allows it to stay on the sustain phase. A trigger will skip it.
Oh yeah that was awesome! You're the one who made me start building a modular synth, I don't know if I should thank you mate ahah!
Cheers
Have you read Jaques Derrida's idea of Hauntology ? Or even the expanded theory by Late Mark Fisher.
Check out the Elektrosluch mic(s) from LOM Audio, they allow you to hear ElectroMagnetic Fields - a whole new soundscape thats otherwise hidden from us!
FanBoyNerdAlert when you see that you have some of the same converters as Christian Henson.
"I love chasing tail"...............
More of this please.
Think of gate as a keyboard on and off signal, ie it’s on for as long as you’d hold down the note and trigger as a short pulse to trigger, say an adsr.
Massively interesting. Even more so than usual
I have been using my helix floor recently to fire midi changes notes clock etc.
Combined with a slew of effects in stereo makes time pass to quickly.
Also patching in my strymon boxes is bliss. The volante in stereo is actually quite astonishing
Christian I love your Vids. Man any chance you could do a video on your Jupiter 6?
It’s too bad I can like this only once.
Someone will hopefully correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe gate contains "note on/note off", whereas trigger only has "note on" information, if that makes sense? Kinda like the difference between an AD vs ADSR envelope. So triggers are usually better for oneshot events like plucks and percussion. Loving the new rack!
Ahhhh I see, I really need an oscilliscope (I don't think that is spelled right) to see what I'm doing.
They are handy, plus they contribute to the whole frankensynth aesthetic - let's you see the inner workings of what's happening to the sound.
There's "note off" info on a trigger. I've put a comment somewhere above, which clarifies the difference and what they are.
@@TheCrowHillCo A Mordax Data is what you want.
That large eurorack case is in urgent need of a comfy armrest.
Hi, Christian. A College Orchestra music director heard one of my compositions created using mostly Albion V and asked If I would give him the score for the budding orchestral players to play. A novice question if you can help.... How do you print out the score from Logic in a way that an orchestra would understand it? How do you do it when preparing for orchestral recording? Thank you for sharing your musical journey and your many insights into the full spectrum development that one needs to do to be successful. It is so much more than creativity and passion alone. Be well. E
The things you do to get a sample library like Albion sounding nice as a recording in a DAW do not translate to accurate notation at all, so you can either export the MIDI files for each instrument into a score editor like Sibelius or Musescore, or make a new version of your Logic project and use Logic's score editor, but either way it will take a LOT of changes to make the score acceptable to give to players. And chances are, once you have a decent looking score prepared for your players, if you play back the MIDI then it will sound terrible compared to the nice mockup you had with Albion previously. Unfortunately preparing a piece for live players and preparing a mockup on a DAW are just totally different animals.
@@MrSquare Thank you for your helpful response. Christian and Y'all at Spitfire go the extra and beyond to create a community of music composers inside your business model which is rare these days. Every business has to generate income to continue, and we all need to do it, but how we are inside that is everything. I value the fact that you took the time to follow up with a response to a somewhat not related public comment. Creating the music is one thing, Sharing it with others is another domain all to itself. Best wishes, Ed
ps. Matthew... just thought that you may not work with Christian or Spitfire and are part of the music composers community responding to my question. If that is the case, Thank you. my assumption.
i guess i'd say i listen to mostly pre-dorling kindersley stuff
Sounding very trent reznor under the sign off
The Plasma at 4:40 Holy Christ!!
If i understande it right you sampled only in octaves?
If you are looking for some crazy FM samples get an Akemie's Castle in the Frankensynth.
Sounds interesting. I've got the Polyend Seq on order. How much fun does that look?
Much prefer the shots where the lighting is balanced. :)
Sounding very Nils Frahm
'Pre Dorling & Kindersley' Que??
Are you going to run all of that off to tape? 😀
tl;dr for us mortal an H9 harmonizing a ground loop would do pretty much the same.
cld please show us how!!!!
These vlogs are movies.
🙌🏾
Prophet X add on pack please ;-)
😻😻
So much empty space in that modular case. That's just temptation to spend yet more money...
:)
DFAM
well.. almost clicked dislike purely for the fact of how jealous I am 🎈🎈🎈 🎶🎶❤