HIRMS Gangut - Guide 016 (Human Voice)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 มิ.ย. 2020
- The first Russian dreadnoughts, the Gangut class, are today's subject.
To help with the renaming:
Gangut = Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya (Октябрьская революция)
Petropavlovsk = Marat (Марат)
Sevastopol = Parizhskaya Kommuna (Парижская коммуна)
Poltava = Frunze (Фру́нзе)
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Pinned post for Q&A :)
Please make a video of the Cleveland-class light cruisers of the US Navy! Not a single one of them were sunk in WWII
Do a Borodino-Class Battlecruiser
best standardised naval gun to be used on a ship in your opinion?
Hello Drach, what do you think makes a good naval historian, or a good historian in general, and how would you define one? Do you think it just comes down to digging into hundreds of different sources and then puzzled together a possible truth, or there is more than that to it?
Are the Gangut class design based on the Italian dreadnought Dante Alighieri?
"After Tsushima the Russian navy needed new ships..."
Good Drachism there.
and from that day one, they never name their ship Kamchatka
Do you see torpedo boats
@@toddwebb7521 yes their surrounding us!
Glad to see that the Russians are as consistent with their battleship names as they are with their city names.
Original names were not after cities, but after historical battles. Two from Crimean war and two from Peter The Great era. Naming was consistent. Locations themselves were from different eras/places/origins. One got Swedish origin. Other is Ukrainian. Third is pseudo-Helenic. Last one is after two saints.
tokul76 I think you might not have gotten the joke
Burn
@@tokul76 what was the pseudohellenic name?
@@s.31.l50you mean the joke is how the English-Americans repeat a city name with the word "new" I get it but not if something else.
Ah yes, the highest tier battleship in the Russian line in World of Warships to actually exist.
They actually started building the Soviezky Soyuz class, (IDK how to spell it) but it got cancelled in the 1950s IIRC.
In fact, the only one to be completed. Period.
@@captainloggy140 ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperatritsa_Mariya-class_battleship
@@the_victorious_1 The Izmail at tier 6 was also started (and even launched i beleive) as part of the Borodino-class
Okt rev is tier V :)
a single anti-air gun... "I'm relevant !!!"
"I'm helping "
@sidecarnutz "I'mdoing my part ! and you?"
Navy: we need better anti air...
Government: fine heres $1000.
Navy: [buys the 1 gun it can afford].
Government: The ship was lost due to bombing?! Obviously the funds for anti air were squandered. [Cuts funding further, arms crew with $5 water squirt guns].
@@tomstech4390 Or a side by side 12 gauge and a crate of bird shot.
It is built before WW1. Even post war refits were done before air power was a thing. They knew that AA is not adequate and refits did increase AA capability.
1 AA gun is from English specs. Image shows AA guns mounted on each turret. They were not mounting quarter of a gun on each turret. Russian book referenced in wikipedia talks about two 75 or 68 mm and one 47mm Hotchkiss gun and ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BB:Battleship_Marat_12-inch_bow_triple_turret.jpg (and 2:35 photo in video) matches it. Initial plans were for 4x4 QF-3 Hotchkiss according to Russian sources, but they did not have enough of those or they lost lots of them in Tsushima.
"Occasionally running aground and having minor mutinies break out." I love this channel..
"Good luck pronouncing THAT."
"Oktee-yawbr-skeye-uh Revo-loot-see-yuh" 😁
Lol
One thing I'd like to point out: these ships were called the Sevastopol class in Russian documents. I've got a few books in original language that refers to them as such. Just needed to get this out there, since Gangut was the last of the four battleships to be launched and commissioned.
Aside from that, great video as always Drach!
They are called Gangut class in some older documents, IIRC.
It might be because Gangut was the one that was supposed to be finished the first. I think its the same case with Borodino-class , Izmail was the one that was launched the first instead of Borodino.
@@renown6386 Good point, but that is still technically not correct. Just felt that it needed to be pointed out.
I actually like the looks of Imperial Russian Predreadnoughts and Dreadnoughts.
They seem like lost ships from a dream sailing on a forgotten sea, and more steam punk than other battle ships but not way over the top like French predreadnoughts.
Fascinating! My wife's great grandfather was an engineer working on the Sevastopol after 1909 at the Baltic Shipyard on St Petersburg's Vasilevsky Island so this is our family history. Thank you for your post!
"So the most exciting thing's they ended uo doing was occasionally running a ground"
LOL! 😆
Exciting. ;-)
For those who were wondering, October Revolution in Russian is Октябрьская Революция, or Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya.
(Ok-tyeah-brr-sky-uh Rev-oloot-see-yuh)
1:11 Brits after the Russians asking them for help: _You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me._
"You must be truly desperate to come to me for help. What makes you think you can trust me?"
everywhere I go, I see your face
Note the more modern looking "clipper" bows and pagoda style superstructures. Big problem with ships that had their turrets spaced between engine rooms was that despite the best efforts, the difference in temperatures of the ammunition meant greater dispersion of salvos. Second problem was the lack of space to add AA guns without interfering with firing arcs. Third problem was where to put fire controls, radar and radio compartments. The Japanese and American navies had the same problem with their prewar designs.
Marat’s killer was a Stuka pilot called Hans Ulrich Rudel, he would go on to become most decorated ground attack ace of the war and the only recipient of Germany’s highest military honour
True story
He also helped the US develop the A-10 Thunderbolt II.
Dude was a true Nazi, but an absolute legend. His bodycount is unmatched.
In 1940 Göring secured the only Grand Cross of the Iron Cross which was technically above the Knights cross and it's higher versions. Rudel was the only recipient of the golden Oakleaves to the Knights Cross, which came after the Knights Cross with Diamonds (that was awarded 27 times)
You should do a video about the HMAS Australia 1, The first (and last) Australian capital ship. It was also the most powerful warship in the Southern Hemisphere of its time.
Has less armour than any equivalent battleship (outside of Spain) while in WoWs best armour at tier.
In the teir they are facing ships from about the same era in wows in reality they were gen 1/2 deadnoughts facing gen 2 superdreads
The deves even admitted they balanced the Imperator Nikolai I against tier 6 ships, which just goes to show you how biased they are.
@@Edax_Royeaux Exactly, the Wargaming crew disgusts me with their Russian bias of late. Russians for Russians. They effectively made that totally inadequate 9 inch belt into something that bounces shots all the time!
Russian ships are equipped with new upgraded "Stalinium armor," comrade. Gives 5 times the protection for only half the actual armor present! :)
@@swaghauler8334 And the torpedo bulkheads are filled with vodka, no fascist torpedo will ever penetrate stronk soviet ship comrades!
Some trivia; The class is named in honour of the first Russian naval victory at Rilax, but since the Russians didn't know local geography very well and knew it was in the general vicinity of the Hangö peninsula, or to the local Swedish, Hangö Udd, but do some linguistic differences that had arisen in the two Indo-European languages, the Russian pronunciation bore out in the transliteration, and Hangö Udd somehow became Gangut or using a more contemporary transliteration, Khangud.
Frunze (Froon-zeh) in honor of contemporary revolutionary military commander Mikhail Frunze.
Marat (Mar-aht, emphasis on the second syllable) in honor of the French revolutionary Jean Paul Marat.
October Revolution and Parisian Commune are largely obvious inspirations.
The main guns were laid out using the design of Cuniberti, chief designer of the Italian Navy. The first Italian dreadnought Dante Alighieri was the first battleship built according to his principles. Italian-Russian/Soviet cooperation was strong up to WWII. Cinsult Breyer's Battleships and Battlecruisers, 1905-1970 for details.
Confirm that book is awesome
First time i was this quick, im able not to think the weebified version of the ship discussed
I like to imagine how ashamed the old Japanese admirals are of anime.
@@spinningspin6053 Rozhestvensky would probably cause a global binocular shortage.
Spinning Spin
There are actually anthropomorphic depictions of ships (Japanese and otherwise) from the time of WWII.
@@spinningspin6053 In the only instance of a veteran seeing his ship's Kancolle depiction I know of, the veteran just commented "She's very cute and looks like a good girl".
@@bkjeong4302
Gangut is a boisterous, vodka-swilling wild-haired beauty in Azur Lane, so I think at least some in the old Rodina would approve :3
On that same note, Rozhestvensky might approve of Azur Lane's depiction of Avrora, given that she was one of the better-crewed ships in his squadron.
LoL, Your Parizhskaya Kommuna pronounciation sounds like Piratskaya kommuna - pirate commune, while it's Paris commune (Parizh skaya ) Nice vid
"The Nelson class is so ugly!"
Imperial Russian Navy: "Hold my borscht."
At least the Ganguts look like Battleships. The Nelson almost look like some kind of super-monitor and not an actual Battleship.
Ну ты и дурачина...
You mean brake fluid?
@@Edax_Royeaux pre refit yes. Post refit is some kind of brutalist architectural nightmare lol
@Mr. Moon Oh, if only the Nelsons had an extra few thousand tons displacement for engines (A treaty limit of 40,000 tons might have let the KGVs upgrade the twin turret to a quad, too)! I think stretching the hull out behind the tower would greatly improve the appearance of the class by balancing out the proportions. Overall I agree with you about the Nelsons, quite nice looking ships for their atypical layout.
3 times? Bless. Hangover squad is still standing by good to go. Well, kind of.
Lightly armored?
_Nyet, battleship is fine (hic)_
The Marat's bow was blown off by a bomb hit from a JU-87 Stuka dive bomber piloted by Hans-Ulrich Rudel (2 July 1916 - 18 December 1982) .
Looks like we're getting spoiled today, 3 videos so far :)
First, the Octtober Revolution was in November 1917, and the Peace of Brest-Litovsk was signed in March 1918. So, the mutiny in March 1917 could have nothing to do with those two events. You probably meant March of 1918.
Second, you forgot to mention that only time a ship of Gangut class engaged in a sea battle was a scirmish with British ships in Baltic in 1919.
You are correct, Brest-Litovsk Treaty happened one year later, but the mutiny or in fact chain of mutinies in Baltic Fleet started in March 1917 - after February Revolution.
Clever and definitely original design with minimal superstructure and a lot of firepower mounted on a rather small hull.
I`ve waited for this for a long time... Thank you, Drach
Finished work and been waiting for this
Great job, Drach!
These are so much better with you doing the talking
Stock footage of this class is used in the climactic scenes of Sergei Eisenstein's film The Battleship Potemkin. The still at 2:39 is similar to one of the shots used in the movie. Of course that's anachronistic, since the mutiny on the Potemkin happened in 1905.
Wow! Talk about a makeover! I nearly jumped out of my seat seeing the new bows. Very sharp, and VERY Soviet in their aesthetic. Love the pagodas, too!
Oktyabrskaya Revolyutsiya - Gangut
me: Come, Shikikan. We must go!!!!!
A ship, that farmed me 2 quickest baquette guns in all Wild West!
SN Gangut addresses you for most part as Comrade (Doushi)
"I am Gangut, dreadnought from the Red Navy. Do not underestimate me because I am outdated model."
Go to the Liqour Depot with due posthaste!!!
@@royasturias1784 well Sovetskaya and Grozny calls us (Doushi Shikikan)... so it's still ok.
Ah, I see you're a Shikikan of culture as well....
Drach, I would like to see another "proper pronunciation" video from you :3
(Sadistic laughter)
I'll be glad to provide any help I could on Russian names
As a russian-speaker, it would be very interesting for me to watch the video "How to Pronounce - Russian Capital Ships"
Loved the quip, but I was really looking forward to Drach trying to pronounce the October Revolution so I could compare his butchering to the TTS lol
What a gorgeous ship class, wish they kept one as a museum ship similar to the Aurora.
I wonder why they didn’t. The ships were still in decent shape by the 50s.
Oh dear, Drach, you're all mixed up with regard to the Revolution. The mutinies were during the Russian Revolution of February/March 1917, the October Revolution later that year was the Communist one, and then Brest-Litovsk taking Russia out of the war was signed in March 1918; AFTER both the original and subsequent Communist Revolutions.
Hi Drach. Great channel. I would like to see you make a video on the WW1 Eagle class patrol craft.
Thanks Drac for a excellent informative series. Is it possible to do the icebreakers, USCG Polar Star and the Russian IB Fleet.
There in one day. Nice! Thanks, Drach. The modernized _Gangut_ class had their own version of pagoda masts, but they all had quite good fire control systems that were continually upgraded into WWII. It would have been interesting to see how they would have fared in a gun duel with a _Scharnost_.
Scharnhorst has a decent speed advantage. Scharnhorst also has a 14 inch belt that should fare decently well against Gangut’s 12 inch guns, while Gangut’s 9 inch belt would really struggle against Scharnhorst’s 11 inch guns.
They would die
A Scharnhorst would shred them in short order. Radar gunlaying, much better armour, much faster. The German 11" I suspect at least matches the old Russian 12", if not betters it. Gangut has an advantage in weight of broadside, but that's about it.
even modernized she had less armour than a WW1 British Battlecruiser even Kongo is heavily armoured compared to Gangut not to mention how slow she was by WW2 standards in WW2 the Russians borrowed an old obsolete R class Battleship from the British and that ship was easily the most powerful ship in the entire Soviet Navy. In any gun duel between a modernized Gangut and even a Kongo or a 1930 HMS Tiger let alone a Scharnhorst Gangut is just an XP piñata
Oktybr'skaya revolucia - the closest I can make it without taking out English fonetic guidebook
Churchill had a saying about the luck accompanying cities and ships that changed their names.
Hunh ... well ... these ships actually were much longer lived than I would have expected ...
.
I love this ship, mainly because of me using it in world of warships and getting 45 ships sunk in a day X,D its awesome!
Holy crap so many uploads is it Christmas drach?
The Gangut class, Can you pick one name and stick to it?
3 Drachs in one day.
These ships have the turrets in the same linear formation as the first Italian dreadnought, the Dante Alighieri.
Oppen Gangut Sty... *(Is instantly shot by Commissar for Counter Revolutionary joke making)*
A third video today? Seam like I’m having an Business Lunch today! 🤔😉
How were deck guns on WW1 & WW2 Submarines secured while the boats were submerged to protect from corrosion?
Great videos, Thank you.
M O M M Y GANG-NUT
"FUHAHAHA! At last, this is battlefield that I should be in!"
"The revolution blesses you!"
I'm afraid the strongest armour available in WOW's is Soviet Bullsh!*. Very interesting reviews Drach anything on Russian Cruisers in the pipeline?
cool
Can Drach twist my arm any further? Do I dare hope for a fourth Drach.
So this is Comrade Big One in real life huh? Where Comrade Tiny One? Comrade Medium One?
And the class is in russian: "Sewastopol class"
can you make one of your short videos that explains the differences between pre-dreadnought, dreadnought, dreadnought 2, and super dreadnought?
pre-dreadnought - various assortment of guns and majority in secondary or tertiary caliber.
dreadnought - namesake ship, 11-12 inch main battery, lots of big guns, experiments with turret layout, 20k ton displacement
dreadnought 2 - no such thing
super-dreadnought - 13-14+ in batteries, far less experiments with turret layouts
Or maybe your dreadnought 2 fits 25k ton/13-14 inch guns and supers are 30k+ tons with 15-16+ inch guns. Then you might ask for battlecruiser and fast battleship explanation too.
Just see how preceding and superseding classes for HMS Dreadnought look like.
I appreciate your lowered volume on the intro and outro. I need videos to fall asleep (yes, have to rewatch several times to get the whole thing in), and had to take yours out of the rotation because of the noise. Thanks.
+1
What is the purpose of the two chains in front of the first turret? Kind of an odd placement for them.
in the 1st picture, the turrets look to be from a much later period.
6:30 it's Oktabryskaya Revolutsiya I think
Talk about superstructures looking like hotels!
I'm a bit disappointed that you left out the interesting trivia that these ships had ice-breaking bows, being probably the only battleships so fitted.
Hi, how about a video of the sloops of the Royal Navy during the 2nd World War
this guy is posting videos in 3 round burst mode
Remember in NavyField when this was first introduced as a Premium BB and could 2-shot a Montana with a level 50 crew?
It is the first soviet bb you can unlock in NF mobile,unfortunately it gets dumpstered by all the S grade ships running around
Bonus fact: Marat was sunk by one Ju 87,flown by Stuka Ace Hans-Ulrich Rudel.
It had to be him 😂
I would like to explain the naming a little bit:
Gangut was named after Battle of Gangut in 1714 where Peter the Great galleys cornered and defeated Swedish Fleet.
Sevastopol was renamed to "Parizhskaya Kommuna" (Paris Commune) - a socialist government which ruled Paris in 1871.
Petropavlosk was renamed to "Marat" - after Jean-Paul Marat, one of the politicians during the French Revolution. He was the guy who managed to get stabbed in the bath...
Poltava was renamed to Frunze - after Mikhail Frunze, one of bolsheviks military leaders
The only thing worse than a ship named after a guy who got stabbed in the bath tub would be a bath bomb named after him.
I must confess however, I do like both ideas as they are ghastly enough to have a delightfully over the top morbid appeal.
Not that anyone in Russia did or would ask for my approval, but I approve.
Please be so gracious as to follow up the Gnaguts with the Imperatritsa Mariyas.
Which ship/s suffered from the poorest build quality?
all i got was even the locql ship yard wasnt keen on a home built design, i wonder if uk regretted helping other countries with their designs in ww1/ww2?
Since you've done the Gangut class can you do the Imperatritsa Mariya class next time?
These BB's have quirky appeal in their lines.
Too bad that so few battleships were conserved.
Busy today aren't we
"I don't know how to pronounce that in Russian"
Oktyabrskaya Revolutsiya?
@Drachinifel 'Pah-rEEj-skah-ya koh-mOOn-ah' and 'Froon-zeh' )))
IJN Yubari :P
4:40 Should that have been March 1918, since Brest-Lotovsk was in March 1918 or should it be referring to the February revolution of 1917 that led to the end of the Tsardom?
Given Trump/Putin/Ing-Wen I fail to see your point about Tsars ;-))
Mutinies in Baltic Fleet started in March 1917 after February Revolution
WG need to see this XD
They will call out this channel as EU propaganda. XD
@@tycondero1647 Truuu haha
I wonder how they would do against, say, Scharnhorst or Gneisenau.
A SINGLE anti aircraft gun?
The beginning of America and Russia’s irreconcilable differences in ideology.
And I thought Japanese battleships look different lol
Who is floating the Sinop ?
uh...so many world of warships images flash out ..
Thin armour huh? Did anyone let Wargaming know that orrrr?
She’s scrappy boys
Give a Drach score for Gangut
honestly i like the pre retrofit version better
after all its not like the soviets had a fleet
The Soviets did have a fleet. It consisted of two turds floating in Stalin's toilet bowl.
Why does your badge describe you as an histriographer rather it than the more normal historiographer?
Are you saying Vickers wasn't able to sell some guns to someone for once??
Goodness !!!!!
I can look at a Gangut class and just know its Russian. Its lines are so distinctive.
I'm curious what an American yard could have done for the Russians when it comes to building battleships.
"Well....Soviets" could be used to explain alot of things.
They are very similar to Italian first dreadnought series both visually and as fast and lightly armoured combination.
Cage masts. They'd have had cage masts :)
@@troubleboy I think the Italians did have some influence on the designs.
GANGUT GANG GANGUT GANG GANGUT GANG GANGUT GANG GANGUT GANG GANGUT GANG GANGUT GANG GANGUT GANG
oct-yah--bruh-SKY-ah revo-LOOTS-e-ah. Just say it with a Russian accent. :) All caps used to denote the stressed syllables
From above before these things had superfiring turrets they look like Fort Drum in Manila Bay. Lol
Only up 10 minutes!