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Let's be honest, if Alex pope watched this video today he'd probably be laughing his ass off at Hearne continuing to fail 300+ years later.
Honestly smh
truly 😭
Personaly i have watched the video 10 times becouse it is super funn to listen to grey spiral into madnes
True
Best comment ever!!!
I busted out laughing 😂😂😂😂
I love how hundreds of years later Hearne is being dumped on by YET ANOTHER popular scholar.
A. Pope is amazing
@@StarDude1 yes he is
Well, based on what we've been shown he clearly deserves it.
Also I'm never ordering copper from Ea-Nasir. His customer service was dreadful.
Hearne is rolling in his grave that people still haven’t let it go lmao
I love how Alexander Pope's message was essentially "Thomas Hearne is a hoarding prick" and Grey, after months of excruciating work, basically confirmed it.
Grey has just done the real, actual, unironic job of a historian.
The scottish history section being located in a perpetually unlit section of an English library is the most beautifully poetic thing I think I have seen
ok
Presumably the Irish history section is just a pile of self-congratulatory texts by an assortment of Englishmen.
@@jospinner1183 It's a baked potato stall
Truth
@@jospinner1183 It would be, but the books went to war and all but the most important texts got burned in the ensuing scuffle
WHY THE POEM IS A JOKE:
It's a pun based on "coming out of Britany".
William's mother was named Britany.
The poem is implying that his mother gave birth to the man, his wife, his maid, and his dog.
It's an ancient "yo mama" joke.
I’m 99% sure your 100% right
I think your right and I'm not sure if that makes it better or worse
...Ah, a yo-mama joke...
Truely worthy of baseline of Tiffany.
That's hilarious, and I hope it's true
That's awesome.
cgp grey, exasperated: "I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ANYONE IS STILL LISTENING AT THIS POINT!"
me, being entranced by the centuries old drama about Hearne while eating a Klondike bar: "ya, I'm with ya"
😂
9:00 Alexander Pope literally wrote down: *"To future historians:* This guy's a hack."
And here *we, future historians,* goggle at his spiteful, beautiful foresight.
You mean google?
*giggle
*gaggle
*wiggle
ETYMOLOGY-MAN, HEEEEEEEELP!!!!
Grey has truly made "Sir this is a Wendy's" into a genre.
This comment made me so happy
@Just JAK uhm... indeed?
Yes
grey: *TIFFANY POEM RANT*
guy: sir this is a wendy’s
sir this is a wendy's
Grey: "The poem didn't even make it into the -main video-"
The "main" video: 2.4 million views
This video: 3.3 million views
That .2 million is me. I've come back here a lot...
Holy mother forkin' shirtballs- this is the main video
Tbh when I browsed the channel, this video is way more interesting than author's stories about his GF.
[that's the feeling about videos' content I got; note: English isn't my main languange]
3.2 m already
@@ChaoticEnigma92 The Tifanny video is now showing at 2.3 million. WTF??
I think this is important as it shows how a single person's incompetency can spread misinformation for literally hundreds of years. This is a small thing but how many of these small things are there out there that end up changing the total narrative either through this same level of incompetency or intentionally? The idea is so fascinating to me that it almost makes me wish I took up history.
Right!!?? Makes me really interested in theory of information and communication. We see it in things like childhood games of "telephone," in common misconceptions, etc, but we give too much credit that things will get shaken out and that sources speak from a place of professional practice or well studied confidence, when in reality misinformation is so easy to spread... Suuuper interesting.
So do we know anything about history? Should I question the truth of anything that happened before I was born?
@@greywolf7577 "Know" is probably too strong a word for it. We are "relatively confident" that Hannibal crossed the Alps and a couple of his elephants survived the journey. Okay, maybe we just suspect it, but we're relatively confident that the Punic Wars happened. Probably.
@@greywolf7577 Yes, isn't that obvious? You have the power to test anything you want within reason. If you have skepticism, then by all means, attempt to debunk whatever it is you're skeptical about.
I want a netflix series about this just so we can see some character acter gnashing his teeth into the scenery playing these historical people
Watched this with my fiancée. We're both PhD researchers and this was just perfect.
E
That's awesome! What's your PHD in?
That's sweet man
@@loganfaucher mine’s in autonomous vehicles and game theory. Hers is in clinical research and patient reported outcomes.
@@IsamBitar that's do cool
I love how centuries later Grey finds himself in agreement with Pope's despise of Hearne
Pope despising hearne was not unwarranted
@chula chalupa it wasn’t pointless
@chula chalupa Wasn't pointless. It proved that Hearne was a shithead that couldn't do his job right.
@chula chalupa yeah no hearne definitely deserved that from making grey go insane from this poem
Alex Pope wins again...
When people say "I've done my own research", this is the level you have to go to to over turn the experts
If they do this level of research, they ARE the expert. Grey is the world’s foremost expert in Tiffanys, there is no doubt in my mind
A detailed list of every time Grey mispronounced Scotichronicon:
5:26 Scotchinomicron
5:54 Scotchicromicon
6:05 Scotchironomicon
7:36 Scotchichronicon
15:11 Scothrinomicon
Scothrinomicon
Scotcrhiconormicron
Scrotumommicon
???
Understated comment
I’m a PhD student and I just got back from a 7 mile hike turned 16 miles by a wrong turn and, suddenly, the forest of all knowledge analogy just got 1000% more relatable
Grey: Torturing himself
181K people: I enjoyed that.
Edit. Its 227K as of now.
@@yt45204 BRO😭👍
@@yt45204 wouldn't be surprised if the grave disappears in a few days
1.7m now
Shadenfreude
203k
"Look at what you did to Grey, Hearne. You goddamn monke."
- Alexander Pope, probably
Somewhere, beyond the grave, Alexander Pope is indeed thinking and lighting at this
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imagine that thousands of years later someone like Grey looking for the word ''monke'' in Pope's writings just because you mentioned this
As someone who recently fell down a similarly niche rabbit hole of research, this video entirely encapsulates the feeling of being possibly the only person who cares about X subject/question in the modern world. We take Google for granted until it turns up zero results, or when the Wikipedia footnote trail runs dry or lacks any page to begin with. It’s genuinely fascinating to me
What hole did you fall down?
Or days of searching 1400 pages of microfilm on each of a hundred rolls microfilm to find that one land record sentence that proves when your ancestors came to Canada. ❤️ It
@@kjw79 This is the sort of stuff I love to see!
There were a few photos of great great grandfathers headstone, brown and covered in lichen on the ground. Online cemetery websites shared the same few photos that cropped off the last line.
There is seemingly no paper records in all the land regarding his origin place in Scotland.
But behold, one distant cousin found on Ancestry took a snap in the 80s and scanned it to me 40 years later. The last missing line?
“Native of Kirkcudbrightshire”
Makes me feel like Indiana Jones
When tracing back the roots of knowledge, inevitably we will either reach bedrock or find the root end snapped, its origin separated by a long forgotten incident or oversight creating a gap in the vast time abyss.
This took the butterfly effect to the extreme. A few hundred years ago some guy made a fanfic about the scotronomicon and a few hundred years later some random guy is going insane wondering how someone lived 89 years before he was born
TLDR: Grey got trolled by someone who’s been dead for like 200 years
Again.
So, he was Tiffany-rolled.
Hearne: we shall perform a miniscule amount of tomfoolery
I love that this channel is just “proper research is agony”
Because it kinda is
Yes!
Here's a research hole for you - look to see if the late neolithic tribes in western France migrated to central Algeria (a wetland at the time) and later were the source of the Atlantis myth after a mud volcano to the south erupted. That's enough to start on, oh, here's a clue to get you going - look to see where the Clovis point stone spearhead migrated to around that time. Obviously you'll need to read the Plato mythology on it too, the Pillars of Hercules were considered to be between Sicily and Africa at the time the original myth was written, not Gibraltar. There's also gentic data on Europedia that can help, it's the later (post 30,000bce) mtDNA X that you'll need to follow. If you assume that the population in Africa got mostly wiped out in roughly 9850bce (aside from a few Berbers that have mtDNA X) you can see that the survivors migrated to the Levant and Greece. Old Sparta was certainly one of those colonies. And Gobekli Tepi as well.
Only do this is you enjoy the torture though, it's a very deep hole. Just ignore anything written after the Greek about it though.
"DON'T GO LOOKING."
How many cows did that guy own? I don't know! It's just numbers you prick! Write them like a normal person!
Reading beef between historic writers is the most entertaining thing ever, I would have never knew about this EVER without you Grey
02:58 I love how it says here that a blonde Tiffany is "practically unknown" but cgp always draws Tiffany as a blondie
Tiff is the type of girl to dye her hair.
There once was a researcher named CGP Grey,
Who whilst hunting Tiffany lost his way.
A poem's date he did chase, it's source be erased,
Hearne's antiquarian ways did dismay.
I love limericks, thank you
Thank you, Senpai.
Wow he must be in love with this Tiffany girl
Fricking Limericks are awesome
Now time to re-edit it via bad editing and call it out via shade.
"Provided nothing of value" - actually, I will be sending this to a friend who is a history teacher who will most likely use it as a way to demonstrate to students how misinformation can take root and be passed down through the centuries and why checking the original source material is so incredibly important. It may actually provide far greater value than you realize.
Certainly! One could go so far as to say that highlighting these difficulties is even more important than ever before in *gestures broadly* _these_ current times! Showing how doing proper research might take a lot of time, and not lead anywhere
But the lesson here is not to obsess over the source until you check that the content of the material is of any factual accuracy to begin with
Grey is relatively lucky here.
For a researcher, you'll often be frustrated by sloppy scholarship that allows inaccuracies to be written down as truth.
It's rare that you'll actually find the direct source of the misinformation *and* get the schadenfreude of watching him get brutally dunked on by one of the greatest satirists in the English language.
Yeah, this is one of the best videos that I have seen that depict misinformation.
check the sources of your source's sources
I did watch all the way to the end of the "Someone Dead Ruined My Life... Again." video because I felt a certain shared frustration. I've gotten a lot of laughs from your videos and appreciate all @CGPGrey has done to inform the world.
This video explains Grey's obsession with immortality, it wouldn't be such a waste if his life wasn't finite 😂
“I’m here to find the Sconichicronomicon…
In the Scotland history section,
Which is in the dark”
The irony of English-Scotland relations reflected in a London library.
I said out loud "Of course..."
I'm sure the Scots can bring their own light bulb, since they're such an independent bunch.
Oh wait
you mean the scotchycomiccon
@@TheDramacist No lights, no problem. They'll just invent the lightbulb.
When the Necronomicon of Scotland is in a section of a library where the lights are incapable of turning on, you know it's a bad omen.
“But the plans were on display…”
“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”
“That’s the display department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the notice, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard.”
@@COLDCHEMICALpresents this is exactly the passage I thought of when he said the lights were out!!
I thought that was usual English humor about Schotland.
That book 1000% has a demon bound to it. I don't make the rules.
I'm still at the 4th book, but I miss those early humour
I felt like I was on the verge of dying of laughter for around 5 minutes straight at the beef between two writers from the 1600-1700s
I keep rewatching this from time to time. This and hexagons are the bestagons are my favorite grey videos for pure enjoyment factors.
I love the bestagons video.
Hexagons are the bestagons is a great video
I also love those 2, the bestagons are a religion now 😂, but Capt. Billop also deserves a place, it seemed Grey was going to use a oujia board to get an interview with Disoaway
Airport codes squad, where art thou?
hexagons are the bestagons
"Ardent STEM stan slowly discovers the Humanities, descending into madness" has been a wonderful plotline so far. Can't wait to see what's in store.
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It's been the antithesis of my past 6 months, which has been "Ardent Humanities stan slowly discovers STEM, descending into madness."
I fell asleep twice while watching this. But i did rewatch it after waking up more. Was hard but wanted to watch the whole thing to be supportive in my own way
As someone who studied Math and GRSJ (Gender, Race, Sexuality, and Social Justice) in university and is now studying Law, this comment is deeply accurate and insightful.
I feel Grey’s pain in my soul.
Critical thinkers!!! Watch "The Connections (2021) [short documentary]" on youtube! 💖
Whenever someone says, “do your own research” I’m going to show them this video.
To be fair, I've come across _so_ many people sealioning me that I might consider this fate sufficiently schadenfreudig.
@@fds7476 Schadenfreude?
@@saikgamingproductions
Ja.
@@fds7476 Sealioning?
@@thebiggestcauldron
Basically when your conversation partner spams you with demands to provide evidence for every little thing you state, and then demands evidence for _that_ evidence, in bad faith - not because he wants to get to the truth of a matter, but purely to annoy and then discredit you.
The real Tiffany was the friends we made along the way
I have only just discovered this channel, watched this before the other Tiffany videos, and I am enjoying it so much I let out an exasperated cry at 16:30. Thanks, Hearne.
the drama is real, hearne reached through the ages to specifically troll Grey
Exactly! I have just discovered this channel, well not 'just' but about some 10 days ago, and felt as if I watched a thriller movie. Again revisiting this video!
"Is anyone still even watching?" Yes, me. And loving every second of this batshit crazy journey through minor points in history.
Yup, me too.
"Is anyone here?" Yup, me too!
Same
Same!
“Anyway, snap out of it, carrying on.” broke me :D
I love the fact that a 35 page letter roasting a person’s documentation book survived the annals of history and managed to be shared to millions of people to become remembered for ages past its prime.
Past it's prime? No sir, it's been aged well, and can probably stand for another 300 years.
If he would have had more time, he would have written a shorter letter.
3:45 "I opened it, and out fell an old map" A wonderful start to an adventure!
I honestly want you to make more of these "AYO ALL THE PROBLEMS AND SIDE PATHS I ENCOUNTERED WHILE MAKING THE TIFFANY VIDEO" videos. They're so much fun for nerds like us
Grey: There is NO ONE interested in hearing me talk about this drama between two old dead writers
2.7 million people: You sure buddy?
meme answer:
2.7m people: am i just a joke to you
serious answer:
Monthly updates not-compiled in video fashion is probably not an interesting topic to the people Grey knows, which is sad.
I love how this has more views than the original video :D. 2.8 Million for this one vs. 2.2 Million for the original as of time of writing.
Poor CGPGrey always misunderestimates just how much we enjoy this
>and the woman shall be a curse among her people
Ahem...
No one:
Me: 3 mill ;)
Main takeaway: The "Scotichchronicon" sounds like what you might use to conjure up an army of zombie Braveheart cosplayers.
Or something from D&D
It looks like it too
Or some eldrich Scotsman... im imagining Cthulhu in a kilt
This is an excellent idea
"Did you speak the exact words?"
"Look, maybe I didn't say every single little tiny syllable, no. But basically I said them, yeah." 😂
Imagine someone creating a caricature of you and calling it WORMIUS. Hearne might wanna put some cold water on that huge burn.
"I plan on doing this for a long time" gives me a strange sense of peace and security.
"I didn't come to this library to look the earliest reference to Robin Hood."
Something tells me he will someday
HE DID! Just after he hinted at it! So he fell down a rabbit hole while down a rabbit hole.
But that's a story for another time.
@@Superhrnet so while down in a hole he found a cave, poor guy
I would love to hear his historically accurate take on Robin Hood, with all the romance and mythology stripped away.
I'd say throw the man a rope, but we'd probably end up with a video on the history of rope making.
Grey coercing the viewer to join him in the back rooms is absolutely terrifying.
Yeah...😔
And then they keep scooting back.
So Grey is the only one capable of entering and exiting the backrooms at will?
Pretty selfish of him to be leaving the tens of thousands of people stuck on the various floors of a very inhospitable and dangerous place I must say
Terrifying yet totally on brand
What do you mean terrifying? I'd be 100% down for that! I'll either get shanked, or get told a story, a win-win situation!
Look, Grey, I 100% will and want to listen to this minutiae at any time, especially if you want to hear about esoteric hyper specialized natural history and cartooning history. It’ll be like therapy, only in reverse where we will encourage each other’s madness.
I really do love videos like this, they show passion in a way people don’t get to see from creators all the time. Also thank you for telling us to take care of ourselves before taking care of you. Idk I guess I just needed to hear that
There once was a man named Hearne.
A studious man who wanted to learn.
With terrible sourcing,
and errors discoursing,
after 300 years he still makes people gurn.
Cut the studious out of the second line and it's perfect
Except for the last line don't know what to do with that
Bars
Spitting bars
@@magnumsmth For centuries he still makes us gurn
269 likes.
Grey’s willingness to dive absurdly deep into the most seemingly simple topics just shows how incredibly complex and interesting our world really is
Indeed
and this is making me want to do it myself
"Everything is a universe unto itself"
@@Skemmm make a video about it
Who?
I absolutely LOVE that the animation is Grey dragging someone into a back room like this video is private and personal
And yet it has even more views than the original Tiffany video.
Just goes to show that pulling your hair out in frustration as you circle the drain in the toilet bowl that is your remaining sanity is absolutely relatable.
You Tube is not viewed for the scholarship; it is viewed for humanity.
Thank you for finally providing the "What is True - downward spiral" video you promised in your "CGP Grey was Wrong" video.
Thank you for developing unhealthy obsessions with obscure topics for my entertainment
Yee
Agree
I feel the same
Agree
OUR
Sorry CGP, the joke is just that there's a group of people that all have names that rhyme.
all this for a rhyme :(
But Theophania DOESN'T rhyme with Coningsby or Brittany.
Dun-Dun-DUNNN!!!
I think Dr. Seuss did the same thing once
@@alterego9863 Which is why it was changed, causing this entire problem to ensue.
@@alterego9863 ahhh so they wrote it as tiffany so they rhyme
The fact that this pursuit of knowledge led to an old age shade throwing battle is hilarious
And now, about 232 collective years of people's time have been spent listening to this video. So much time, all because of Tiffany.
Hearne was so bad at his job that he literally would've done less harm if he just preserved all the stuff he hoarded and did absolutely nothing else? That's impressive, almost aspirational.
I knew a guy like that.
He was a government employee, and a horrible worker who screwed EVERYTHING up, especially when he was loaded, which was most of the time.
It was almost impossible to fire him at the time, so they kept getting promoted, to jobs were he did less and less, and ultimately was responsible for nothing.
The premise was, "if we can make him useless, it will be a huge improvement."
Reminds me of Arthur Dent.
@@bcubed72 Oh man, I want that job. Getting paid very well to do nothing is a dream. Getting promoted due to incompitance also a dream. Though, this makes sense assuming it is the US government. Our tax dollars at work. >.>;
Hearne was far from alone, and his practices and attitude persisted until at least the early 1900s. I have made a minor study of armour (the kind you wear) and quite a few of the most popular Victorian-era sources are, shall we say, hilariously wrong. I suspect that at least part of this is because, these days, we have much readier access to information than at any previous time in history. I am speaking of the free availability of public museums and libraries-of-record, not the Internet, although that too is a combined boon and curse. Many of the worst Victorian sources are tertiary sources (at best), which should underline for you Grey's insistence on primary sources in his research.
Really gives me hope, as I glance around at all the sh1t laying around my place
man from 1700s: "learning more about this poem is a waste of time"
grey: "better go deeper"
🤭
He is a man of 'Deeper Penetration'
I understand your immense frustration, but I absolutely love this. The explination of your research process and the things you find along the way are honestly just as interesting as the final videos you make. Thank you for taking the time to making a video for this rant, totally would watch more of these.
You are a ridiculously tenacious researcher, and I, for one, appreciate all your efforts.
Keeping the section with books on Scottish History in literal darkness is the most English thing I've ever heard of
probably a coincidence but an incredibly ironic one
doesn't light degrade the pages of books? So this might be an unusual honour, in fact
@@darkpixel1128 which is better: to be untouched in complete darkness, safe in condition yet unnoticed, or to be slowly degraded yet noticed and used?
Could only be more on the nose if it was hidden in a closet and held by skeletons
A more English one would be a hidden closet of Irish skeletons
This is what "did my research" actually looks like. Snark aside, this journey was incredibly fun to hear about!
Did you do it? Did you do it? Did you do it, huh? Did you crunch the numbers?
Sometimes I forget this channel exists. Then I remember any one video and go on a binge of every video Grey has ever released. I love this channel, I love this content, and as soon as I am financially stable, I will definitely support it.
Despite the tragic nature of this doomed quest, I very much enjoyed seeing the historian's journey to the bottom of this well. I'm glad you were able to recycle some of the evil poem's research into this video!
The fact that Grey was actually able to track all this down is insane.
If anyone could do it, it’d be him
Im always impressed by people who can actually do research
I wish I had such an old library near me! There might be a very old library in Chicago, but I’m not too sure
He basically did the amount of research people do for their thesis, for a TH-cam video. Damn.
@@accurrent As a book nerd I would LOVE to have that kind of library near me. I wouldn't be surprised if there actually was a copy of Necronomicon there.
Grey, any time you need to talk about Tiff just give me a call.
Neat
Nice to see you here!
The greatest minds gather themselves on places you would never expect
You two should do some kind of colab where you make/prove some kind of physics claim and Grey has to dive endlessly into the historical significance
Hahaha I legitimately hope Grey gets back to you. This is the collab we need
Did anyone else's eye catch at @2:57 , on page 8 of the "The Tiffanys of America" book, about 7 lines down: "A blonde Tiffany is practically unknown." That made me chuckle.
The most interesting thing about this, might not be the origins of the poem, but how knowledge can change, distort or disappear from time if negligence is applied inn its conservation.
Well done, I enjoyed the journey, and some time that’s more important than the destination.
One day, I hope Grey writes a book called "The Chronicles of a mad man and his less than auspicious journey through the Forest of All Knowledge" where he documents all of these stories. I would cherish such a book. It would be taught in colleges.
That is genuinely something that I would love to have.
And then another person 300 years later can go through a mountain of research and use his book. This is a great idea
A book like that would be invaluable for teaching people how to research.
THIS. THIS IS THE BEST THING IVE EVER SEEN
Hexagoneth art thy best-agoneth
Thomas "The Chronological Order Hitman" Hearne.
Gotta say, one of the the funniest comments I’ve ever read. Love your channel
Please do more Marciano breakdowns I beg you
Basically a written chopping right 0_o
😭😭😭😂😂😂
This comment is absolutely legendary
This is honestly one of my favorite videos. As someone who has fallen down more rabbit holes than I care to think about, I really appreciate the effort you put into your work. Thank you for all you do.
"Grey getting lost in The Forest of All Knowledge" is my favorite sub-genre of Grey videos
The *SASS* of Alexander Pope is the most amazing thing ever. Roasting dudes even after they're dead
If he were alive today he could be a rapper
I think that's called "cremation"
Announcer: Thomas Hearne is dead
Announcer: BUT WAIT HERE COMES CGP GREY FROM THE TOP ROPE
@@DuranmanX If Hearne was alive he'd run a drama channel with a cartoon avatar
Alexander Pope is my spirit animal. My life is surrounded by a plague of Hearnes.
"...provided nothing of value and drained many hours of my sadly finite life."
CGP Grey is one of the people who deserve to be made immortal.
I'm not sure if that would be a blessing or a curse for him. :p
The only problem with immortality is that the human mind really isn't equipped to comprehend its implications. Even our sun has a finite lifespan, and we can't live without it. What happens when the sun goes red giant, possibly incinerating the earth (and definitely making it uninhabitable) in the process? I'm not sure he would want to make that a video topic, though; it sounds like he might find it depressing... but then, after making this video, maybe that wouldn't be an issue for him, given the line that has been quoted above.
@Alex Munz with an exit option.
For what purpose?
He does nothing important.
@@jacksonstarky8288 Well, even if we become Immortal, that doesn't mean we can't die. Let's say you become ageless and immune to disease. Let's also say you leave the house everyday for you're job, or on a walk. Eventually, probably within a thousand years you're going to trip and break you're neck. Or die in a car crash, or hell struck by lightning. When you're Immortal, the small percentage chance of dying by any of those things steadily increase until it eventually happens
You're my hero. When I'm self-sufficient money wise I hope you'll still be around so I can support you
this video will stick with me for years, i can feel it. the amount of emotion, effort, and sheer interesting niche information- i love sharing this type of thing with my loved ones. thank you for your hard work, your video is truly inspiring and a comfort
I love how Grey just casually brushes off the earliest known reference to Robin Hood in order to search for Tiffany
She was well known to his men around the camp.
Thats because the Robin hood reference has been well researched multiple times (its not the one in the scotichronicon) and his topic was Tiffany, which hasn't been researched
And insists on reading roman numerals as letters.
@@karolkozik5918 Well, that IS how you read them
@@TokuNorth Well I know, but... Alright, you win. I just think reading it the "normal" way would at least lead some non-historical people towards trying to learn Roman numerals. Of course they're as useful in modern times as Latin itself, sed sicut Brianum Davidus Gilbertus dixit, "Scientia potentia est". - written on X.IX.MMXXI
To explain the "joke" of the Tiffany poem: Rhyming nicknames were a super common thing back in those days (Richard->Rich->Rick->Dick). Getting words to rhyme was hilarious, because they didn't have Netflix comedy specials. There isn't really a "joke", it's just that they got some words to rhyme, and that's supposed to make you smile a little bit during a time when medicine was also poison and sanitation in Europe was drinking water from the same river you pooped in. It's kind of like how the newspaper comic strip "Mutts" contains no jokes 99% of the time, but it's cute so it puts a smile on people's faces and that's valid.
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So it's like Fezzik and Inigo's rhyming game. Cool.
I still thoroughly enjoyed this video. Love hearing about the paths you follow in your research and the niche things you discover. It's all quite interesting.
Grey, at this point I really just need you to know that while I thoroughly love so many of your other videos and everything you seem to do that I have found you should know that this video on Tiffany has been my favorite. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
I appreciate your time well spent on seeking my amusement. Accidental mission accomplished.
There's nothing more CGPGrey than "I thought I had someone I could finally talk to about this, but he died 100 years ago"
Yeeah, that made me laugh out loud xD
So Grey is now the 3rd person in 300 years to write a work about how inaccurate Hearne's writings were
Someone's got to do it.
Never forget
Every hundred years we encounter the Chosen One, the sole responsible of catching Thomas' errors and keeping them fresh in our minds
Now with references to the line of works relevant to any future historians. Gotta call the wayback machine to archive this webpage.
This is a truly beautiful video, I know you felt much pain, but your pursuit of the poem is so authentic, it just brings me great joy. Like, genuinely, as some one who wants to do something like this in some professional capacity and dearly misses academia in general, this made me smile, which does not happen too often these days (same reason I'm not in academia or professionally chasing my Tiffany's right now) . May your sources be correctly shelved and your footnotes plentiful.
I honestly find it admirable that you spent so much time studying such obscure topics. I'm a little jealous you have the time and resources to do such studies.
Grey shouting in a high screechy voice: "WHEN WILL YOU LEARN, HEARNE, THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES??"
Alexander Pope is rolling in his grave right now!
I cannot put into words how much minute, pedantic historical details and the search for thereof resonates in my soul.
This was exactly what I needed to come home to after an evening of trawling through a library and websites looking for obscure publishing details for a class project in my Masters program, wow. Thank you Grey, we appreciate everything you do 💕
I love how grey pronounces “Scotichronicon” differently every time
sciencetes have foud that it is physically impussble to say it more that once the same way exept for those monks who wrote it
Skaw-ti-kraw-ni-kawn
The TH-cam gods are cruel. I left a near-identical comment over a day before yours and it received no attention, while yours is the second comment I see when clicking on the video. And I'm sure there was another before me, with an equally ill-fated, but identical comment.
@@icwatto reading your comment was painful
@@icwatto impussble
I stopped this video about 4 minutes in and watched the original Tiffany video. Then I came back and finished this. This is absolutely incredible. Thank you for this incredible result of research, as much hardship as it took to compile. I loved the story.
I'd come across the saying that started your journey, so I am beyond impressed that you went as far as you did.
I thoroughly enjoyed your video, thanks for making it!!
"So what brings you to the biggest library in the world?"
"It's a long story."
@soiung toiue Seahawk?
The longest story about the shortest poem.
Literally
do you want the short version or the long version
I see a fan of Off.
This entire video is CGP Grey being the living embodiment of the phrase _"Impossible. Perhaps the Archives are incomplete."_
Your username makes your comment even more funny.
gcp grey lost another planet has he now?
GENERAL!
This might be the best comment I've ever come across. Thank you for the laugh
“One thing you may be absolutely sure of: if an item does not appear in our records, it does not exist.”
Mr Grey is messing with thumbnails again. 🍀
I am very thankful to you for making these videos, they are absolutely delightful to watch and the way you jump around keeps me very engaged. Thank you for all the time you spend making them.
"I'm not a hoarder, I'm an antiquarian!" needs to be a shirt.
next wave of cgp grey merch?
@@sethhuff8657 That would be pretty cool! I know at least three people who would buy it (including me).
DRM gives us a reason to become data hoa... err I mean antiquarians :)
I feel like in 300 years some historian will look back, hopelessly researching some random topic, and find Grey commenting on Hearn and Pope, then spiral even further, seeing Grey as one of the great 21st century historians.
Revenge of the Grey
It's interesting how these ancient historians were probably exactly like Grey - hopelessly curious random ppl, and that's the same way he'll be seen. That's why I like your use of "21st century historian"
I was having this exact thought while watching... he is now a member of this long line of historians and archivists producing works that show the path back to other older works
I hope that TH-cam or some of its successors has ported forward these videos by then. Because by their mere existence it will be inferred to some future historian chasing down the same rabbit hole. And in that distant day in the future somebody will write a textbook saying how cgp grey is the most awesome historian of industrial / post-industrial America. And some poor school kid will have to sit around watching video after video of Grey's research that we presently do for fun.
I hope to remember grey as we remember Thomas Hearne, as a semi-crazy dude who loved random papers and just put stuff in cause why not
I need more of these types of videos lmao. I love hearing about centuries old beef between writers, especially with the level of pettiness of Alexander Pope
Look, the path went nowhere but this video is still really important as a testament that you can go this deep into ANY topic. We don’t know how long the roads go until someone somewhere invests the time to walk them. Thank you for teaching us about scholarship, and inspiring me to dig as deep into topics that, I hope, turn out to be more worthwhile.
"This path went absolutely nowhere, provided nothing of value, and drained many hours of my sadly finite life."
My research mentor said almost exactly the same thing to me years ago, talking me out of pursuing a PhD. Not all heroes wear capes.
Damn.
Was he the world's foremost expert on anteaters, by any chance?
@@TheWickedWizardOfOz1 Ahhh, I see you're also a person of culture
There's truly no worse feeling than wasting an afternoon looking thru a pile of dusty old books just to not find what you were looking for. Or even worse to find out that the thesis for your paper is wrong and you have start all over.
I completely disagree, Grey. This was not at all a waste of time. This was an incredible adventure for you and for all of us. Getting lost in the world's largest library over the course of a year sounds like one of the most fulfilling adventures one could embark upon. After years of freeloading this wonderful content, I'm happy to be able to contribute financially for once.
The moral of the story is "Life is a journey not a destination, " and/or, "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans."
Yes, basically this is a fable.
@@guest_informant Exactly.
Loved that too and don't forget the sweet sweet roast. >:D Have to look up Alexander Pope. I like his style and sass.
@@guest_informant ah, a John Lennon fan I see
Indeed, the thought that 50 years from now, Grey's video (and it's AI-written auto-transcript no doubt) will be one more stone in the path surrounding the bibliographies of these ancient people quoting each other.