It's the cost of the gift. If we don't pay a price for our gifts we can become entitled. One for one, it keeps the balance. I am native and this is what I was taught.
Thank you! Ive been sick for 17 years with no explanation. I had my spiritual awakening about 6 years ago and figured out I was an empath and medium and everything is for a reason..... Thank you again🙏Many Blessings ✨️✨️✨️
Thank you so much for this video 🙏🏾 I had a near death experience in Costa Rica and it changed my life and solidified my relationship with God and shamanism came into my awareness. I also had a cancer scare but I told God that cancer wasn’t my portion and not what I signed up for and just like that I had no cancer all labs and studies became positive 😇 really needed to hear this!!!
Jumping into the middle - whoa, guilty! If I'm working with someone else, I always open & close sacred space before & after. But when doing ceremonies & rituals for just myself, I delude myself into thinking I live & breathe from a place of sacred space so it's ok to just jump into the middle & do whatever I've planned to do. Maybe that's why my life looks like one long initiation after the next!
Feeling so blessed that these two ladies are here, and everything it took for their work to exist and be shared so genuinely. Also, shout out to the cat. The way the tail looks like it's petting Renee's shoulder is so sweet, it's so cool because you can tell that spatially he's not close enough to be touching her but it looks like it, almost like he knows he's doing that...like not wanting to disturb Renee but wants to display love like mime's do. I've noticed that on many videos so I don't think it was coincidence 😸 He is truly special! 🤭
Would you ladies consider my drug addiction as the prelude to me becoming a Shaman? Awakening is what brought me into recovery, 3 years now. Actually began awakening 9 years ago then had relapses. I did suffer from unknown illnesses as well. I feel l was suppose to go through addiction and loss of my son and nephew to bring me to who l am. In a wonderful place now! ❤ And yes, my daughter keeps reminding me to make sure l'm well protected! I have taken in negative energy from others in the past.
Really interesting and thought provoking topic. I've just got back on my path, and this is great advice. Wish this had been available 35 years ago . Blessings from the uk
Thank you for this video! It really hit the nail on it's head for something I have been experiencing for the last 14 years since I moved away from a place where I had built a sacred space. For the last 14 years since I have moved from there every single night in my dreams they take place in the area near that sacred space. I have always had colorful dreams, often can lucid dream or take control of things in the dream time, have prophetic dreams. But have felt stuck in a way since leaving there. Not going into detail about the dreams but this encourages me to visit there to make sure it's closed, and start a new circle of energy at my new place. But the new place just doesn't feel right to me yet. It could be because I need to visit the old place first.
Thank you for this conversation. My daughter and myself are intuitives and we both have have heavy metal contamination. We are working towards a better life but the unfortunate health crisis has brought us back to square one. We need to help ourselves and our life is very simple so we can create more "health". My one intuitive health tip- create a time where you can just listen to the messages without distraction. I take a walk without headphones, clean the house without distraction. Good luck! only good can become of it
It’s like I already know this but I 100% needed to hear this again. Sandra your laugh and smiles today made me smile. Thank you for all you both do. I appreciate your time and effort you out in to share with us. ❤❤❤
Thank you so much, Im interested in knowing more about protection.. as I do my work. I always start off with a meditation to clear myself and then I open sacred space when I’m finished with my client I close sacred space and wash my hands and give gratitude… however I do feel tired afterwards.??? 🙏🏼🦋🙏🏼
I think tiredness is natural, at least I have heard from some shamans who have done bigger ceremonies, that they have to rest and also eat more for 2-4 days after a weekend retreat of 2-3 days....So if only tired, I wouldn't worry, but indeed rest and eat what your body is craving for. I eat mostly vegan, but at times after a lot of energy work, I do feel the need to eat fish or eggs... And while I think that it's possible for at least some people to be fully vegan, I would advise to eat more fat and protein in vegan/vegetarian form if you feel your body craving sth "stronger". Hazelnuts, tahini, chia seeds, things like that. And indeed rest. Wishing you health, protection and blessings, and I hope you have met a teacher who can answer better than I do. 🙂 But that's what I have heard of two powerful shamans, one vegan, and the other one mostly vegan but occasionally even having small amounts of meat - mainly bio from farms where the animals live in natural ways - and sleeping or/and resting more than on "normal" days.
Thankyou for a much needed topic. I think that there is more information and access to learning about shamanic practices, however I don't think people realize the risks if your not practicing boundaries limits and protections with shamanic work. Intrusions come in many ways.I have often said the same as a mental health practioner,energy is energy and will find a place. Going on a default setting can be dangerous and if not foolish if you are not practicing safety and protection. In this society we approach spirits with a total disregard and really do not understand what that impact means.There is alot of shadow out there yet there is alot of light. Let's honor with respect and understanding when engaging in Shamanic practice or for those who are exploring.
Yes, it's really something to be taken seriously - I did the beginner mistakes of jumping into all kinds of journeys and healings before I was ready, meaning, before I had any idea of knowing how to really protect myself and my environment too. And then got so sick and also scared, that I had a one year pause of the path - until I noticed that I also can't avoid it....I was called by ancestor who was a powerful witch/shaman in his time, and I hesitated a lot and for a long time before saying yes...I admit that I would have chosen another path if someone else in the family would have taken this task. So now for the last year or so, I have been re-listening everything from the beginning, and also being more and more mindful of the opening and closing the circle so to say when I am journeying or practicing for myself only - even if it's "only" a 5-minute thing instead of an one-hour journey or ritual...Also, within the last 10 years shamanism has become more and more popular, and it has its good and bad sides like everything else. I do hope that all the teachers will remind their students regularly about how powerful this practice is, and the safety precautions and boundaries regularly! 🙏🐾✨ Thank you for your comment, I think it's a good and important reminder not to play around with the powers that are so much stronger than we are. Blessings and love on your path! 🙂🙏🐾✨❤️
Interesting conversation thank you 😊. I'm just starting on my shamanism path and I can now see the importance of creating a space along with a ceremony which has a beginning, middle and end.
I wonder if I was pushed. I was in a very toxic relationship that made Me so ill. I am 9 months free of that toxicity now and getting back to my energy healing work. It feels amazing. Thank you both
All this resonated a lot and really enjoyed every minute. May I ask a question? Can someone be born Smamanic and don.t feel connected and urged to learn from others but Love to listen within and go as along. Sounds stubborn but I'm not. I listen and evaluate.
Hello Sandra and Renee, I am finding the pattern of medical illness turning and pushing my initiation. Former fundamentalist, now open to flow and river of energy, for EaRTH! THANKS, pOLLY
Thank you so much for all the inspiring messages! I come on TH-cam to push that like botton scince I listen to you mostly on Spotify! I would like to know where we can find the SUN SONG? Thank you 🙏✨💖
hello, since 2.5 years ago I basically started developing a very weird buzzing and very anxious sensation in my solar plexus. It became so bad that i had panic attacks and crazy heart elevations. Those things luckily went away although sometimes i notice i am still at the edge of a panic attack. Mostly at night on the couch. The thing that never went away however is the constant shortness of breath. It robs me of my joy in life, work and hobbies. I went to doctors, did bloodwork, went to healers, psychiatrist, and basically all clear. I also went to a shaman however in the very beginning of the crisis and he said it was a spirit or energy that was inside of me. It wasn’t evil but it was very strong and hardheaded?? He basically couldn’t get it off me and said i had to learn to work with the energy. And that he had the same things happened to him back in the day. He didn’t spoke my native language (dutch) so it was not easy to understand it all but I basically brushed it off because it made me even more anxious and depressed thinking im possesed or something haha. It was just hard because every “specialist” said something different. Im 32 years old. It’s just a weird state i’m in for so long now and i just want to be “normal” again greetings storm
So many questions! Oh my. I have n been following a shamanic path for many years now. Living where I live there is very little option for face to face training so I have done mine all on line, reading books, practicing with friends. I experience direct revelation with my power animals, my spirit guides, great spirit, mother earth... but still have made these mistakes n been sick my whole life. I had no idea that this is what I have been doing to myself n potentially others. I have this thing inside me that rings a loud persistent bell - at first do no harm. Goodness, how many people have I adversely affected! How many darts? Could that be why I have autoimmune conditions?
Thank you for another powerful talk 🙏🏻 I have a question regarding this. How do you recognize if the spirit you talk to is real spirit instead of some of the voice from your head or just imaginary being ? So that you can trust it? I understand that you can go to the journey to ask for helping and compassioned spirit, but still maybe there is some "test" you can make to be sure if you talk to real spirit ?
I answered in the FB group.. Ask a question and give your spirit a test. It is ok to ask for information in a way you can understand. Know that it can come in many forms.
40 years of my life, there are situations that someone could call paranormal. Generally everything is related to suffering and avoiding death by a millimeter of course, the package includes anxiety neurosis, phobia, depression, which no doctor is able to cope with, despite many years of treatment. I thought maybe it was some sort of curse, and yes, apparently we were triple cursed but does this exclude shamanic disease? Maybe it is its result? Unfortunately, there are no shamans in my environment and I cannot afford to go to them, even if I had the money, my health would not allow me to do so. ..I don't know what to do now...
Have u ever heard of the spirits giving someone an addiction rather then a sickness? Ive been going through initiation for over 2 1/2 years. And my body has beem destroyed. So much pain. I havent really experienced a sickness but its not over yet. I think were going into the spiritual cave soon, so sayeth the spiritual folks i listen to 😂
Very thankful for you two! I know I am being pushed on this path and the situation I am in right now is unexplainable and the hardest I have ever been put in. I have been asking to be shown the lesson and to see what it is that I meant to learn from the experience and have been blessed with so much healing but am still stuck and feel I am going crazy (as it truly involves a myriad of complex problems with absolutely no right answer at this time). I know I can be dense but I am not getting the message! Do you have any suggestions on what to do when you reach this kind of odd road block?
How do I figure out if Shamanism is my destiny or if Im just being called to it for personal growth? There’s alot to unpack from this episode. Thank you!
I don’t know if this is even helpful. Sandy I took a workshop you lead in the late 1990’s. A few years back I sent you a phrase book called Hobo Metaphysics which you were kind enough to mention in your new letter. I consider myself spiritually independent, but drum and rattle often. Maybe two of my friends know this, but for 5 years on the streets I was in what I consider a deep psychosis. Every person I looked at over that period appeared to have dead eyes with no light in them. One spring I finally came out of it but never understood the experience fully. Might have been a Shamanic illness of sorts.
I know this is an older podcast, but can someone speak to menopause as a shamanic "illness" or shamanic initiation? For the last 5 years I have been debilitated by an unending barrage of menopausal symptoms - debilitating hot flashes, heart palpitations, dizziness, weight gain, anxiety attacks so severe that they feel like an out-of-body experience where the panic completely takes over - and every single doctor's visit, test, etc., comes back totally normal (with the exception of my hormone levels) and they pat me on the back and send me away telling me "I'm fine". I have not been able to participate fully in my life to any meaningful degree for the last 5 years. Please tell me I'm not alone in experiencing these debilitating menopause symptoms and that they mean something. Most days I feel like a prisoner in my own house, unable to go anywhere because one of my symptoms is having lost the ability to drive. Do we go through some kind of shamanic initiation when we hit menopause? Because I'm hitting it like a brick wall at 110mph.
It's the cost of the gift. If we don't pay a price for our gifts we can become entitled. One for one, it keeps the balance. I am native and this is what I was taught.
Human nature, not perfect at all. Makes sence! Greetings from the other side of the Berring😊
Thank you! Ive been sick for 17 years with no explanation. I had my spiritual awakening about 6 years ago and figured out I was an empath and medium and everything is for a reason..... Thank you again🙏Many Blessings ✨️✨️✨️
Thank you so much for this video 🙏🏾 I had a near death experience in Costa Rica and it changed my life and solidified my relationship with God and shamanism came into my awareness. I also had a cancer scare but I told God that cancer wasn’t my portion and not what I signed up for and just like that I had no cancer all labs and studies became positive 😇 really needed to hear this!!!
Jumping into the middle - whoa, guilty! If I'm working with someone else, I always open & close sacred space before & after. But when doing ceremonies & rituals for just myself, I delude myself into thinking I live & breathe from a place of sacred space so it's ok to just jump into the middle & do whatever I've planned to do. Maybe that's why my life looks like one long initiation after the next!
Feeling so blessed that these two ladies are here, and everything it took for their work to exist and be shared so genuinely. Also, shout out to the cat. The way the tail looks like it's petting Renee's shoulder is so sweet, it's so cool because you can tell that spatially he's not close enough to be touching her but it looks like it, almost like he knows he's doing that...like not wanting to disturb Renee but wants to display love like mime's do. I've noticed that on many videos so I don't think it was coincidence 😸 He is truly special! 🤭
Would you ladies consider my drug addiction as the prelude to me becoming a Shaman? Awakening is what brought me into recovery, 3 years now. Actually began awakening 9 years ago then had relapses. I did suffer from unknown illnesses as well. I feel l was suppose to go through addiction and loss of my son and nephew to bring me to who l am. In a wonderful place now! ❤ And yes, my daughter keeps reminding me to make sure l'm well protected! I have taken in negative energy from others in the past.
I do feel I've suffered illness through spirit calling.. it's very powerful
yes, our teaching and learning are always powerful
This is a wonderful topic. Thank you for this reminder to take care of ourselves.
Really interesting and thought provoking topic.
I've just got back on my path, and this is great advice.
Wish this had been available 35 years ago .
Blessings from the uk
Every time when I found my self in some blockage and have some illnes... this episode helps me a lot. Thank you soooo much for this
Thank you for this video! It really hit the nail on it's head for something I have been experiencing for the last 14 years since I moved away from a place where I had built a sacred space. For the last 14 years since I have moved from there every single night in my dreams they take place in the area near that sacred space. I have always had colorful dreams, often can lucid dream or take control of things in the dream time, have prophetic dreams. But have felt stuck in a way since leaving there. Not going into detail about the dreams but this encourages me to visit there to make sure it's closed, and start a new circle of energy at my new place. But the new place just doesn't feel right to me yet. It could be because I need to visit the old place first.
Really interesting conversation, both sides of the discussion are definitely relevant thanks!
Transmutation of energy - so incredibly insightful thank you for sharing!
Thank you for this conversation. My daughter and myself are intuitives and we both have have heavy metal contamination. We are working towards a better life but the unfortunate health crisis has brought us back to square one. We need to help ourselves and our life is very simple so we can create more "health". My one intuitive health tip- create a time where you can just listen to the messages without distraction. I take a walk without headphones, clean the house without distraction. Good luck! only good can become of it
I really needed this reminder, thank you 🙏
Thank you
Thank you so much! Another wonderful discussion. So much wisdom from you both. We are truly blessed 💚
Thank you sweet beings ❤❤
It’s like I already know this but I 100% needed to hear this again. Sandra your laugh and smiles today made me smile. Thank you for all you both do. I appreciate your time and effort you out in to share with us. ❤❤❤
Thank you.
Thank you so much, Im interested in knowing more about protection.. as I do my work. I always start off with a meditation to clear myself and then I open sacred space when I’m finished with my client I close sacred space and wash my hands and give gratitude… however I do feel tired afterwards.??? 🙏🏼🦋🙏🏼
I think tiredness is natural, at least I have heard from some shamans who have done bigger ceremonies, that they have to rest and also eat more for 2-4 days after a weekend retreat of 2-3 days....So if only tired, I wouldn't worry, but indeed rest and eat what your body is craving for. I eat mostly vegan, but at times after a lot of energy work, I do feel the need to eat fish or eggs... And while I think that it's possible for at least some people to be fully vegan, I would advise to eat more fat and protein in vegan/vegetarian form if you feel your body craving sth "stronger". Hazelnuts, tahini, chia seeds, things like that. And indeed rest. Wishing you health, protection and blessings, and I hope you have met a teacher who can answer better than I do. 🙂 But that's what I have heard of two powerful shamans, one vegan, and the other one mostly vegan but occasionally even having small amounts of meat - mainly bio from farms where the animals live in natural ways - and sleeping or/and resting more than on "normal" days.
Thankyou for a much needed topic. I think that there is more information and access to learning about shamanic practices, however I don't think people realize the risks if your not practicing boundaries limits and protections with shamanic work. Intrusions come in many ways.I have often said the same as a mental health practioner,energy is energy and will find a place. Going on a default setting can be dangerous and if not foolish if you are not practicing safety and protection. In this society we approach spirits with a total disregard and really do not understand what that impact means.There is alot of shadow out there yet there is alot of light. Let's honor with respect and understanding when engaging in Shamanic practice or for those who are exploring.
Yes, it's really something to be taken seriously - I did the beginner mistakes of jumping into all kinds of journeys and healings before I was ready, meaning, before I had any idea of knowing how to really protect myself and my environment too. And then got so sick and also scared, that I had a one year pause of the path - until I noticed that I also can't avoid it....I was called by ancestor who was a powerful witch/shaman in his time, and I hesitated a lot and for a long time before saying yes...I admit that I would have chosen another path if someone else in the family would have taken this task. So now for the last year or so, I have been re-listening everything from the beginning, and also being more and more mindful of the opening and closing the circle so to say when I am journeying or practicing for myself only - even if it's "only" a 5-minute thing instead of an one-hour journey or ritual...Also, within the last 10 years shamanism has become more and more popular, and it has its good and bad sides like everything else. I do hope that all the teachers will remind their students regularly about how powerful this practice is, and the safety precautions and boundaries regularly! 🙏🐾✨ Thank you for your comment, I think it's a good and important reminder not to play around with the powers that are so much stronger than we are. Blessings and love on your path! 🙂🙏🐾✨❤️
Thank you for sharing this. Great timing 🙏💜💜
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
Oh my goodness, I SO needed this today! Thank you both so much ❤
Interesting conversation thank you 😊. I'm just starting on my shamanism path and I can now see the importance of creating a space along with a ceremony which has a beginning, middle and end.
Wonderful topic! Thank you!
thank you for this.
Always deep wisdom. Gems of truth...
great subject..thanks for your perspectives.
Thank you for this one!
Thank You both and my journey continues.
Thank you. Aided my understanding. Namaste
Thank you so much 🤍
Thank You 💜
Ohh this is an excellent topic ladies. Much gratitude to you.
Amazing depth in this topic. Thanks both.
Thank you both so much. Ya'll all are so amazing !
I wonder if I was pushed. I was in a very toxic relationship that made Me so ill. I am 9 months free of that toxicity now and getting
back to my energy healing work. It feels amazing.
Thank you both
All this resonated a lot and really enjoyed every minute. May I ask a question? Can someone be born Smamanic and don.t feel connected and urged to learn from others but Love to listen within and go as along. Sounds stubborn but I'm not. I listen and evaluate.
Much needed! Thank you! 🙏🏼💖✨
Hello Sandra and Renee, I am finding the pattern of medical illness turning and pushing my initiation. Former fundamentalist, now open to flow and river of energy, for EaRTH! THANKS, pOLLY
Wow. Thank you.
Great show! Thanks john
So interesting- thank you 🙏
Thank you so much for all the inspiring messages! I come on TH-cam to push that like botton scince I listen to you mostly on Spotify! I would like to know where we can find the SUN SONG? Thank you 🙏✨💖
hello, since 2.5 years ago I basically started developing a very weird buzzing and very anxious sensation in my solar plexus. It became so bad that i had panic attacks and crazy heart elevations. Those things luckily went away although sometimes i notice i am still at the edge of a panic attack. Mostly at night on the couch. The thing that never went away however is the constant shortness of breath. It robs me of my joy in life, work and hobbies. I went to doctors, did bloodwork, went to healers, psychiatrist, and basically all clear. I also went to a shaman however in the very beginning of the crisis and he said it was a spirit or energy that was inside of me. It wasn’t evil but it was very strong and hardheaded?? He basically couldn’t get it off me and said i had to learn to work with the energy. And that he had the same things happened to him back in the day. He didn’t spoke my native language (dutch) so it was not easy to understand it all but I basically brushed it off because it made me even more anxious and depressed thinking im possesed or something haha. It was just hard because every “specialist” said something different. Im 32 years old.
It’s just a weird state i’m in for so long now and i just want to be “normal” again greetings storm
So many questions! Oh my. I have n been following a shamanic path for many years now. Living where I live there is very little option for face to face training so I have done mine all on line, reading books, practicing with friends. I experience direct revelation with my power animals, my spirit guides, great spirit, mother earth... but still have made these mistakes n been sick my whole life. I had no idea that this is what I have been doing to myself n potentially others. I have this thing inside me that rings a loud persistent bell - at first do no harm. Goodness, how many people have I adversely affected! How many darts? Could that be why I have autoimmune conditions?
I always get sick when I stop my spiritual practises...
Same here or the sciatica pain gets worse as if spirit is reminding me of my path
Thank you for another powerful talk 🙏🏻 I have a question regarding this. How do you recognize if the spirit you talk to is real spirit instead of some of the voice from your head or just imaginary being ? So that you can trust it? I understand that you can go to the journey to ask for helping and compassioned spirit, but still maybe there is some "test" you can make to be sure if you talk to real spirit ?
I answered in the FB group.. Ask a question and give your spirit a test. It is ok to ask for information in a way you can understand. Know that it can come in many forms.
40 years of my life, there are situations that someone could call paranormal.
Generally everything is related to suffering and avoiding death by a millimeter
of course, the package includes anxiety neurosis, phobia, depression,
which no doctor is able to cope with, despite many years of treatment.
I thought maybe it was some sort of curse, and yes, apparently we were triple cursed
but does this exclude shamanic disease? Maybe it is its result?
Unfortunately, there are no shamans in my environment and I cannot afford to go to them, even if I had the money, my health would not allow me to do so.
..I don't know what to do now...
Have u ever heard of the spirits giving someone an addiction rather then a sickness? Ive been going through initiation for over 2 1/2 years. And my body has beem destroyed. So much pain. I havent really experienced a sickness but its not over yet. I think were going into the spiritual cave soon, so sayeth the spiritual folks i listen to 😂
Very thankful for you two! I know I am being pushed on this path and the situation I am in right now is unexplainable and the hardest I have ever been put in. I have been asking to be shown the lesson and to see what it is that I meant to learn from the experience and have been blessed with so much healing but am still stuck and feel I am going crazy (as it truly involves a myriad of complex problems with absolutely no right answer at this time). I know I can be dense but I am not getting the message! Do you have any suggestions on what to do when you reach this kind of odd road block?
How do I figure out if Shamanism is my destiny or if Im just being called to it for personal growth? There’s alot to unpack from this episode. Thank you!
In my experience it finds you, you don’t find it
Do all Shaman to be- get the illness? What about severe migraine? For over 20 years?
How can i realise if my ilnesses are shamanic illnesses? How can i discover if it!s a shamanic call?
I don’t know if this is even helpful. Sandy I took a workshop you lead in the late 1990’s. A few years back I sent you a phrase book called Hobo Metaphysics which you were kind enough to mention in your new letter. I consider myself spiritually independent, but drum and rattle often. Maybe two of my friends know this, but for 5 years on the streets I was in what I consider a deep psychosis. Every person I looked at over that period appeared to have dead eyes with no light in them. One spring I finally came out of it but never understood the experience fully. Might have been a Shamanic illness of sorts.
Shamanism is a path of ecstasy. I want to remember this and the importance of discipline. What a great combination!
I’m 51 years old and am still looking for my life path- I don’t feel connected to it. Any advice or direction you can point me too?
☺️✨
Life is such a school
I know this is an older podcast, but can someone speak to menopause as a shamanic "illness" or shamanic initiation? For the last 5 years I have been debilitated by an unending barrage of menopausal symptoms - debilitating hot flashes, heart palpitations, dizziness, weight gain, anxiety attacks so severe that they feel like an out-of-body experience where the panic completely takes over - and every single doctor's visit, test, etc., comes back totally normal (with the exception of my hormone levels) and they pat me on the back and send me away telling me "I'm fine". I have not been able to participate fully in my life to any meaningful degree for the last 5 years. Please tell me I'm not alone in experiencing these debilitating menopause symptoms and that they mean something. Most days I feel like a prisoner in my own house, unable to go anywhere because one of my symptoms is having lost the ability to drive. Do we go through some kind of shamanic initiation when we hit menopause? Because I'm hitting it like a brick wall at 110mph.
✨✨✨✨🙏🏻