The way dan turns EVERY SINGLE talking point into a rant about how jones can't throw with anticipation/doesn't throw accurately enough to allow for YAC 😂 love you guys keep doing what you do, much appreciated during these dark times
Bc Daboll saying Jones gives Giants the best chance to win. And all the comments praising Jones still. When pts scored is most important QB stat, and Giants 31st in 2022 and dead last this year.
It seems like every single one but I promise it’s not .. and yet I feel compelled to point it out because 1. People still bother acting as if it’s not a major factor in their lacking pass game 2. Don’t credit this factor of playing the position enough for wins and losses
@@danschneier513 You are 100 percent correct in pointing it out. I'll add that he still has no feel for pressure. That fumble last week on a screen was ridiculous. Yes the block was blown. But all good QBs get the ball out and throw an incomplete pass at the feet of the running back.
Appreciate you. I would love to see the article too lmao - somehow it’s been scrubbed from the internet as I think Giants on 247Sports has folded since. Sucks because I remember it being unfathomably bad, worse than Gettleman
To expand on my question I would say I was talking about more of a "foundation" if you want to call it that, basically where I believe you have to start initially when building a team until you get it right and then move on to other areas. I absolutely want more secondary and defensive line talent but to me at this pohaveI have learned to only care about that once we feel like we have a good chance of having qb right and an offensive line just pairs with qb before the rest of the roster imo. And sure I'd use day 2 and 3 picks depending on the board to attack the entire roster but until what I mentioned is set I wouldn't spend tons of capitol in those other places in either the draft or free agency (you can find corners, etc there). Qb and OL are more rare spots. With the accountability thing what I really mean is I want to make sure we have adults running the building for example like Detroit has. Winning and losing is obviously "culture" but I guess im saying I want guys who only care about building this team into a winner, have real balls, etc idk whats the best way to put it
Phoenix has been working out with Elijah Chatman 😂 also Dan you might like Nussmeier he’s a little raw because he dosent have a ton of starting experience but some of his throws the ball is in the air before the WR leaves his break
Hubbard should be moved to Guard next year. He looks great run blocking, has the size and strength, and doesn't have foot speed for T. Kubas deserves some snaps to rest Runyon and GVR on run plays. But not next to Neal if he ever plays.
I am totally on board with Joe/Dabs taking a flier on Trey Lance. He'll be a FA in 2025 and should cost very little. And, he's only 24. Not sure how they felt about him coming out in the draft.
Yeah, but Schame overpaid and gave Singletary 3yr 16mil. Singletary didn't deserve more than 2yr 10mil. 3rd yr makes him untradeable at deadline. So Miller will not get a shot unless injury.
If we fire dabs and keep schoen. Then we have a gm on the hot seat trying to hire a new coach. If they fail we could potentially have a qb who loses his gm and coach after his rookie year.
So I waited a full day to check in on our progress and what do I find? Giants fans have failed BBB! 200 likes on 2k views is not even close to good enough! We can do better than 10%!
If the Giants were JUST more disciplined & stop with the dumb pre snap penalties I guarantee we would have at least 2 more wins. And a healthy even average kicker 1 more win. Frustrating- that is what this team is. Their potential was better than average and they've turned out to be well below average.
If the Giants trade for Anthony Richardson I'll be immeasurably pissed. Guy was garbage at Florida and he's garbage at the NFL level, and the whole checking out of a game nonsense makes him not even worth considering. Where do fans come up with these mindnumbingly stupid ideas?
Cant wait to start our qb carousel after this season and see even worse qb play because we wont find anything better, gonna have worse qbs and still have a bad team
I'll push back against that. Most of the free agent QBs are better than Jones. Say what you want about the draft class but I have pretty strong conviction that guys like Russell Wilson, Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston etc etc are all better quarterbacks than Trash Can Dan.
It sucks that DJ is such a DOG!! That double-truck touchdown last week when he ran over 2 300 pounders...w-o-w. It will be a huge culture loss when he is gone...he plays like he wants to win as much or more than anyone else on the team.
@@Thagomizer-U235 execution, execution, execution. 3 Jones TDs called back. Dumb penalties by rookies in Theo and Nabers...and another touchdown called by due to a Slayton penalty. Jones executed. The coach needs to be questioned. 53 players on a team - Jones can't do it all by himself.
@@Matt90541 3TDs and 3 FGs get him to 25th in NFL. Execution! DJ only executes 1/2 the offense. He doesn't get to 2nd downfield read. Giants need top5 D and top 5 RB to win with DJ. A $40mil QB should be able to execute the whole offense not be a 1 side of field or check down or run guy who can't score 30pts. He might make 2nd read this week to save his job. He did it one play against Seattle.
I completely disagree with you guys jones take, he CAN make most of the elite throws, this past week showed us alot of them, he CAN make off script plays and elite plays, his placement CAN be perfect (again saw it most of this past week) he is mobile, he managed the pocket very weel this past week, i believe he can do all the things your saying he doesnt hebjust doesnt do it consistently and i think if he was in a better situation youd see if consistently and he can be a top 10 qb, the drop passes take is bs too byw if you actually look at most of them 90 percent are perfect balls or atleast near perfect while its the minority thaylt ate behind or late that causes the drops, im obviously a Jones supporter but im not blind to the fact that we need better so i really dont want him to leave but if he does i really want him to go off so i can tell everyone what ive been saying all along, he can play winning football were just a losing team, i believe in 4 of our losses he played well enough for us to win and we lost for several dumb reason and we wouldnt even be javing this discussion at this level, as always might not agree on everything but love the content and appreciate your guys hard work
Good QBs score pts. Giants are LAST in NFL in scoring pts. And 31st NFL in 2022. U r giving too much credit for check downs, short throws, running the ball, and VERY rare long throws, usually on slants toward middle of field which are the easiest of long throws. WRs are open and DJ isn't getting them the ball. Rare good games Colts and Vikings 2022, Cardinals 2023, and Seattle 2024.
@Thagomizer-U235 how many pts have been taken off by things put of his control, not having a kicker, multiple penalties, so many tds or opportunitys ruined by shooting ourselves in the foot, alot of points have been left on the field
@@jakobcook1752 6yrs at the bottom of NFL scoring. He has finally improved to game manager level. And we should be 4-5 due to kicker and bad secondary.
The way dan turns EVERY SINGLE talking point into a rant about how jones can't throw with anticipation/doesn't throw accurately enough to allow for YAC 😂 love you guys keep doing what you do, much appreciated during these dark times
Bc Daboll saying Jones gives Giants the best chance to win. And all the comments praising Jones still. When pts scored is most important QB stat, and Giants 31st in 2022 and dead last this year.
It seems like every single one but I promise it’s not .. and yet I feel compelled to point it out because 1. People still bother acting as if it’s not a major factor in their lacking pass game 2. Don’t credit this factor of playing the position enough for wins and losses
@@danschneier513 U gotta be kiddin me! Are you telling me after 40 years of watching football, passing and points win football games? Pfff
@@danschneier513 You are 100 percent correct in pointing it out. I'll add that he still has no feel for pressure. That fumble last week on a screen was ridiculous. Yes the block was blown. But all good QBs get the ball out and throw an incomplete pass at the feet of the running back.
Great mail bag
LOL what a great preview. Perfect. 10/10.
Excellent content men!
Great work! Would love to see your article breaking down Reese draft picks.
Great break down about the QB situation in the ask Joe Schoen question
Appreciate you. I would love to see the article too lmao - somehow it’s been scrubbed from the internet as I think Giants on 247Sports has folded since. Sucks because I remember it being unfathomably bad, worse than Gettleman
Thank you guys!! Keep up this great work. Best giants pod out there … thank you
💙adding comment for support, another rough year for you guys to push through. I will continue to listen even though its depressing
W podcast
thank you
Loved the parts with fenix/phoenix, not sure of the spelling. But another great pod!
good show guys
Had to Google Translate this but "Münchner Mülleimer" is German for "Munich trash bowl".
"They're not sending their best"
Lmao with Dan talking and Phoenix at the microphone.
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To expand on my question I would say I was talking about more of a "foundation" if you want to call it that, basically where I believe you have to start initially when building a team until you get it right and then move on to other areas. I absolutely want more secondary and defensive line talent but to me at this pohaveI have learned to only care about that once we feel like we have a good chance of having qb right and an offensive line just pairs with qb before the rest of the roster imo. And sure I'd use day 2 and 3 picks depending on the board to attack the entire roster but until what I mentioned is set I wouldn't spend tons of capitol in those other places in either the draft or free agency (you can find corners, etc there). Qb and OL are more rare spots.
With the accountability thing what I really mean is I want to make sure we have adults running the building for example like Detroit has. Winning and losing is obviously "culture" but I guess im saying I want guys who only care about building this team into a winner, have real balls, etc idk whats the best way to put it
Was that Nick’s version of the Fastest Three Minutes?
Phoenix has been working out with Elijah Chatman 😂 also Dan you might like Nussmeier he’s a little raw because he dosent have a ton of starting experience but some of his throws the ball is in the air before the WR leaves his break
Here to count how many times Dan rants.
Is John Oats Nicks dad? Great content
I heard 3 1st and 2 2nds for maye
Hubbard should be moved to Guard next year. He looks great run blocking, has the size and strength, and doesn't have foot speed for T. Kubas deserves some snaps to rest Runyon and GVR on run plays. But not next to Neal if he ever plays.
I am totally on board with Joe/Dabs taking a flier on Trey Lance. He'll be a FA in 2025 and should cost very little. And, he's only 24. Not sure how they felt about him coming out in the draft.
He stinks but for cheap sure
I’d sign a vet like Jamie’s or fields then draft shedure or ward with our pick. maybe nuzz I’m exited to see what he does in the playoffs
Tyron Tracy and Dante Miller would be a dynamic explosive backfield .
Yeah, but Schame overpaid and gave Singletary 3yr 16mil. Singletary didn't deserve more than 2yr 10mil. 3rd yr makes him untradeable at deadline. So Miller will not get a shot unless injury.
Get analysis on the Germany game, haha.
If we fire dabs and keep schoen. Then we have a gm on the hot seat trying to hire a new coach. If they fail we could potentially have a qb who loses his gm and coach after his rookie year.
18:19 Dan mini-rant
I think Aquino is Filipino -- like Corazon Aquino.
Every qb in this class is either avg or bad. Id hate for us to trade up for a qb thats mid
Malik Willis or Hendon Hooker? 🤷♂️
I like the Hendon Hooker take!
So I waited a full day to check in on our progress and what do I find? Giants fans have failed BBB! 200 likes on 2k views is not even close to good enough! We can do better than 10%!
We need a QB that read9s the defense and throw on time and in front of the WRs and not put yr WRs in danger cuz DJ pdoes.
Not in love w the QB prospects in this upcoming draft… rather pick another o-line man
If the Giants were JUST more disciplined & stop with the dumb pre snap penalties I guarantee we would have at least 2 more wins. And a healthy even average kicker 1 more win. Frustrating- that is what this team is. Their potential was better than average and they've turned out to be well below average.
If the Giants trade for Anthony Richardson I'll be immeasurably pissed. Guy was garbage at Florida and he's garbage at the NFL level, and the whole checking out of a game nonsense makes him not even worth considering. Where do fans come up with these mindnumbingly stupid ideas?
Not having a top 5 QB makes it extremely unlikely your team will win the Super Bowl in today’s NFL. #MarchForArch
Two years out, you can't tank for that long, for someone you may not have a chance at.
@ he is eligible to enter the draft next year.
Cant wait to start our qb carousel after this season and see even worse qb play because we wont find anything better, gonna have worse qbs and still have a bad team
I'll push back against that. Most of the free agent QBs are better than Jones. Say what you want about the draft class but I have pretty strong conviction that guys like Russell Wilson, Sam Darnold, Jameis Winston etc etc are all better quarterbacks than Trash Can Dan.
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It sucks that DJ is such a DOG!!
That double-truck touchdown last week when he ran over 2 300 pounders...w-o-w.
It will be a huge culture loss when he is gone...he plays like he wants to win as much or more than anyone else on the team.
Too bad he's stinks and always did
Wow Giants dead last in NFL scoring points! 31st in 2022. 2023 Out scored by undrafted rookie. If punting and FGs are culture then I agree.
@@Thagomizer-U235 execution, execution, execution. 3 Jones TDs called back. Dumb penalties by rookies in Theo and Nabers...and another touchdown called by due to a Slayton penalty. Jones executed. The coach needs to be questioned. 53 players on a team - Jones can't do it all by himself.
@@Matt90541 3TDs and 3 FGs get him to 25th in NFL. Execution! DJ only executes 1/2 the offense. He doesn't get to 2nd downfield read. Giants need top5 D and top 5 RB to win with DJ. A $40mil QB should be able to execute the whole offense not be a 1 side of field or check down or run guy who can't score 30pts. He might make 2nd read this week to save his job. He did it one play against Seattle.
I completely disagree with you guys jones take, he CAN make most of the elite throws, this past week showed us alot of them, he CAN make off script plays and elite plays, his placement CAN be perfect (again saw it most of this past week) he is mobile, he managed the pocket very weel this past week, i believe he can do all the things your saying he doesnt hebjust doesnt do it consistently and i think if he was in a better situation youd see if consistently and he can be a top 10 qb, the drop passes take is bs too byw if you actually look at most of them 90 percent are perfect balls or atleast near perfect while its the minority thaylt ate behind or late that causes the drops, im obviously a Jones supporter but im not blind to the fact that we need better so i really dont want him to leave but if he does i really want him to go off so i can tell everyone what ive been saying all along, he can play winning football were just a losing team, i believe in 4 of our losses he played well enough for us to win and we lost for several dumb reason and we wouldnt even be javing this discussion at this level, as always might not agree on everything but love the content and appreciate your guys hard work
He's horrible and none of what you said is true. Your comment shows how ignorant you are. People like you make the world unbearable.
Good QBs score pts. Giants are LAST in NFL in scoring pts. And 31st NFL in 2022. U r giving too much credit for check downs, short throws, running the ball, and VERY rare long throws, usually on slants toward middle of field which are the easiest of long throws. WRs are open and DJ isn't getting them the ball. Rare good games Colts and Vikings 2022, Cardinals 2023, and Seattle 2024.
@Thagomizer-U235 how many pts have been taken off by things put of his control, not having a kicker, multiple penalties, so many tds or opportunitys ruined by shooting ourselves in the foot, alot of points have been left on the field
Bro your outta your mind respectfully Give it up already!
@@jakobcook1752 6yrs at the bottom of NFL scoring. He has finally improved to game manager level. And we should be 4-5 due to kicker and bad secondary.
Tyron Tracy and Dante Miller would be a dynamic explosive backfield .
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