Homelander's son's reaction at the end of s3 was seriously the darkest thing that series has done, and it's been consistently bleak. Agree that that actor needs some serious props for that scene.
Every scene I really wanted to see in Thor: Love and Thunder happened offscreen. Gorr murdering gods across the universe, including him killing Falligar and fighting Sif, Jane’s initial experience becoming Thor, Valkyrie struggling with being king and actually doing that “finding a queen” thing they kept talking about in the marketing, literally a single actual scene with Thor and the Guardians that didn’t feel about as substantive as what we saw in the trailers, and way more development for Gorr and his daughter. Maybe have Gorr’s daughter have any sort of dialogue in the beginning of the movie? Maybe start the whole movie with a scene of Gorr and his daughter praying to their God to no avail as their society collapses, and we see how she is going hungry and he can’t do anything to save her, so we have that much more motivation for him! Maybe the movie didn’t feel like they needed to belabor the point that a little girl dying of starvation despite her father’s best efforts is a bad thing, but at least give me enough where I’m going to remember that character throughout the movie without Gorr telling me halfway through to reinvest me.
I was really bummed they played Gorr like a one-off "villain of the week" instead of a Marvel "titan"-level villain. He's such a threat in the comics and in this film, he felt very manageable for the main crew.
Hey, Hey! to answer Mason's question, I am one of those people who sometimes skips to specific sections, for example couple of weeks ago I haven't seen Top Gun Maverick yet, so I listened to everything else but that section and then came back to it a day later once I have seen it. So thank you editor
Really enjoy those rare times when James and Maso just completely disagree on something, they don't batter each other down and manage to keep it funny and raise great points. I liked the movie a lot but get where Maso's coming from with a lot of it
For being 2 hrs, it felt short. I think a scene of Goor fighting Sif and Falligar would have gone a long way. Overall I liked it but it coulda been so much better
I said the exact same thing! I’m also disappointed they cut the scene of Jane’s transformation a Thor, and thing we needed to bridge that gap, but they do love their big reveals!
Still really glad Lady Sif is alive simply because the actress couldn't make it into _Thor: Ragnarok_ for The Warriors Three slaughter. XD She marries Thor in comic continuity.
Shit. Lightning strikes in the middle of a fight *Jane has arrived*, smoke clears and she just goes "Stop...Hammer Time !" Then she goes on a rampage, while "U Can't touch this" plays in the background. That would've been SICK !!!
Yes, I skip around! The time codes are super helpful! Though usually I skip more to avoid spoilers on things I haven't seen yet than to get *to* specific things
The best use of screaming goats was in The Modok animated series when they visit Asgard. They manage the returns of the joke perfectly. You're allowed to forget about it then they'll hit you hard when you least expect it but with funny visuals to mix it up 😂
I love Korg. Korg is a funny character. Love & Thunder made me hate Korg. Textbook "too much of a good thing" He's a guy who works best in small doses, but here he's in damn near every scene with Thor and I don't remember him having a single line of dialogue that wasn't unecessary exposition or an increasingly unfunny joke/random non-sequitur. It was so grating. The MCU gets semi-valid criticism for overuse of quips, this was that times a thousand. Its absolutely baffling to take such a fun character and make him the single most obnoxious thing in the entire film. Taika has shown masterful balance between comedy and seriousness in other films, so i don't know why he threw it out the window here.
I can agree with that. Korg had most of the best jokes in Ragnorok but none of the big laughs came from him in this movie. He just kind of talks a lot.
I appreciate the bravery of James to put himself into shoes like mine, as a guy who doesn’t know everything about anime, to talk me through a couple of duffers make a Deathnote.
I agree with Mason more this time, though he’s a lot harsher on it than me. I also feel as though he’s getting stuck in the weeds about individual lines when I’d argue this movie has far more foundational problems with shooting, editing, and visual effects that kill any effect the dialogue should have had on the audience.
Came here to comment this as well. Maso getting stuck up on Gorr not wishing for his wife to be alive was weird. Same for Mjolnir calling out to Jane. I've noticed he tends to do that when he gets into the headspace of hating a movie, which is quite rare for him.
I think his (completely valid) issues with how Gorr was introduced soured the rest of his experience. He makes a lot of good points but I think I land somewhere between James and Nick.
@@spartanB0292 When we love something, we forgive its flaws. When we dislike something, we pick everything apart. I hate some stuff critics love, and this comes to mind whenever they handwave a stupid plot.
Yeh they needed to build him more as an antagonist. He just kinda appears and then we see loads of gods have been slaughtered. A sequence of him slaughtering some really powerful gods would’ve really added to his power level.
Gorr the god butcher not doing much god butchering is the same reason this movie and multiverse of madness has more kids in the cast, because they seem to be purposefully gearing these more towards kids. The funny thing is, kids liked these movies without being pandered to with light-up weapons and god powers.
@@sirdaveysockrocker bruh. MoM is a WAY different vibe than this. Multiverse is not a "geared towards kids" movie and the theater I was in learned that the hard way.
I feel like they're missing a crucial part of Gor's character... the fact that he imprisoned and tormented children with the end goal being murdering all or them. That's just maybe a lil bit damming of his character.
There were so many reviews put out before I saw Thor, I was expecting it to be overbearing with the comedy. I kept seeing that emotional moments were undercut by poor comedy but in my experience it seemed the movie was able to hold the moment well. Some jokes didn’t land for me but every marvel movies comedy is just alright. This movie is no exception with its jokes. There was a lot of fun creative action scenes. The fight at the gods stage felt the most rushed. It didn’t really accomplish much for the story. I enjoyed that the main goal of the heroes was in part, saving people. As the MCU has grown heroes doing something as simple as saving people has become less become.
Btw Jane and Thor and all the main four did react negatively to the comment about human sacrifices, and Jane is very pissed. I think the fact that Thor doesn’t care if the gods retaliate shows he things they’re all shit now too.
Tony Sirico’s role in the sopranos is fucking incredible. The way the writers just let him play himself in the show is amazing, and it comes off so organically and real throughout the entire show he never misses a single beat even as the show starts leaning away from the comedy and getting more dramatic. On top of that his dramatic scenes are still so good, whenever he had to be intimidating, or compassionate even it always came off as very genuine. RIP Tony Sirico.
Really wish marvel would just let some of their films and even tv shows breathe a little more, the extra 10-15 minutes of extra scenes and development could go a long way
“The Boys” finale was adequate, but really surprisingly unfinished and clumsy compared to the phenomenal 3rd season: Soldier Boy rejects Homelander’s legitimately compelling offer, but why is he doing anything after learning Noir has died??
I felt that solder boy reaction to homelander was the one of the things that made sense in the finale I enjoyed it but this season was so good that it was just a alright episode overall
His reason for wanting to kill Homelander was quite clear. He says exactly why. Homelander came at him all tears and drama. Soldier Boy saw it as weakness. He felt Homelander was a cry baby because he did not raise him. So he could not have the world knowing Homelander was his son.
Soldier boy siding against homelander for being a “sniveling pussy” or whatever he said seemed right to me. Butcher turning on soldier boy over Ryan on the other hand seemed like Bullshit.
James and mason were way off the mark with this one! Yeah no I thought Thfour was fine generally. I have no strong opinions on it. Other than there was too much Korg
Went to see Thor Love and Thunder yesterday and was disappointed. I thought the cinematography was poor and the comedy didn't work for me in places. Glad you guys liked it.
Gorr is more of an antagonist than a villian. He's in conflict with thor because he took the children and because his wish would kill Thor not because Thor believes in the gods. That's why the gods are set up as the next opponent for Thor. Gorr is just an angry dude who needs a chance to talk to someone who knows what he's going through and he gets that from Thor. I think it's cute. You know, instead of blowing his head up or something
Here’s my thought: Season 4 might re-introduce Black Noir as an actual Homelander clone. I still do think there might be a twist to that though, like Homelander is fully aware and in control of the clone.
Normally I agree with Maso and I think he’s way on the mark here. I think it’s very strange that we never really go into Gorr’s morality. Like Thor has a conflict with gods being lazy and greedy and then attempts to kill a god but Gorr is bad for killing a big gold guy who’s strangling him to death? Especially since Thor 1-3 are to varying degrees about the consequences of nepotism of Asgard you would think the discussion would be stronger since it was already built into Thor’s core. The movie is too rushed to really go into much, especially since the counter between nepotistic gods and Jane making peace with her mortality could’ve meshed. It’s a lot of ideas that go well together and the editing and pacing just… fumble the catch
Yeah I think Nick’s points about Gorr were spot-on. I liked Thor 4 but it would have been so much better if they explored Gorr further. Strongly recommend that people read the comic.
Gorr is a vigilante. Some of his targets deserve death, some were just the same species as his original target. Saying "Lets discuss whether to murder innocents if we don't like their species" is such a weird point to get stuck on.
@@krishadyn5211 no, I don’t have a problem with Gorr. I have a problem with Thor. Thor has no opinion on Gorr’s perspective. Gorr isn’t the hero of the story so it doesn’t matter what happens to him but a story should challenge our main character and create his morals through the exploration of a counter. That doesn’t happen to Thor here. Thor doesn’t really change that much except in his perspective on love
The government should brainwash Soldier Boy and use him like the Winter Soldier to take down supes that get out of line in the next season of the The Boys.
Can't believe Mason didn't love it just on him having thunder strikes costume in the beginning of the movie. Over all same thought it was to slap sticky
I feel like a lot of people missed that this whole movie was told from the perspective of Korg which explains a lot of the goofiness and silliness. And if you go to any really old mythology it’s all pretty crazy and ridiculous. I think I get what they were going for and I really enjoyed it for what it was
If you're looking for Retcons between film & TV version, there's always Buffy. The film is meant to be in continuity with the TV show (though the only continuity character was Buffy herself, and she was recast) but I'm sure there were many changes between the film and the TV show.
Joss Whedon always took great pains to clarify that the Buffy TV show was a sequel to his original script for the movie, which was later turned into a comic book published by Dark Horse, and not the Buffy movie itself.
I think Love and Thunder is a very fun silly movie with emotional moments that land way more than they don't. It's definitely not perfect, and the plot is fairly minimal, so I absolutely recognize the criticisms of this movie. I really love where this movie leaves the characters
I totally enjoy James and Maso' opinions being very different to mine. I felt that having seen The Adventures of Baron Munchausen helped me get through Thor. I loved two or three sentiments and that held it together for me. More Dark Elf and more Gor also.
I don't think he knew it existed. It was a secret among gods. Gor clearly squeezed that info from a god he killed but Thanos couldn't have known. This is probably a pretty bad excuse for movie that doesn't deserve it.
@@TopTwom It's not bad. You'd want to keep a perpetual wish granting realm a secret. The universe would get pretty chaotic if too many beings started showing up.
Maybe Gor saw the wish had to be for his daughter to return in exchange for his own life and saw Thor would protect her. I have a hunch all we know, Gor has learned somehow.
On the topic of Mad Max sequels, for years Americans didn't know it was a sequel because it was simply called Road Warrior as the original hadn't performed well enough
When I was walking into the theater I thought it would be an interesting concept if gorr was the protagonist of this movie if most of it followed him on his journey and he comes across mostly bad gods a good god here and there and have thor trying to find a way to stop his righteous goal also Thor’s best moments are when he’s not trying to be funny this whole movie it feels like a guy hiding behind humor due to fear and ptsd which I guess he is kinda is but I don’t think that’s what taika was going for and the whole movie just tried being two different films the whole time
Rope Pope Cop is obviously a sneaky reference to the song After Forever by Black Sabbath, which, despite being a pro-Catholic song, was super controversial in the early 70’s for the line “would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope, do you think he’s a fool?”
It’s weird, Korg was my favourite character in Ragnarok and least favourite in Love and Thunder. Don’t know how they Flanderised him so quickly The movie was OK at best. Some really good sequences (no spoilers, but basically the artsy scenes with Gorr) and stellar acting, but really boring and dull for the most and I agree with Mason, the GN’R tracks were just supplements to awesomeness for the scenes they were used. I’m checked out and done with Marvel after Guardians 3. Might check out Spider-Man movies because I like the character. The glut of Marvel, Star Wars and now Pixar movies from Disney is sullying the positive reputation each of them had. It’s totally quantity over quality with no respite to build up anticipation and appreciation for them.
Same with Guardians 3, it's all I'm waiting for and then I don't think I'll ever purposely watch another Marvel film. Still pissed that we'll never get a full-feature film of Asgardians of the Galaxy.
I also didn't like Love and Thunder but FWIW it seems like with the post credits scene they're basically setting up the premise Maso is asking for where Thor fights the other pantheons because they're dicks, admittedly it's more those other pantheons fighting him but w/e. My big problem with it is that Christian Bale felt like he was in a completely different movie than everyone else and I think I would like that movie more
Maso's right about Special effects = live effects, and visual effects (VFX) = CGI ones Have to talk about this a lot for work and was happy I finally knew the answer to a question on this podcast 🤣🤣 Anyways love the pod and although I agree with James and loved the film, I can see Maso's point of views
I unironically loved Love & Thunder so damn much. I don't care about any canon issues or plot holes to the MCU cos tbh this entire franchies has been riddled with those since movie one and complaining about that has real "cinema-sins" vibes I get why some people didn't really vibe too hard with the tone but honestly for me this was perfect
I’ve never really cared about stuff like that too unless it’s super Major but my distaste for this movie is the comedy I laughed maybe twice and it really affected my enjoyment of the film we’re just found my self so tired of hearing jokes that didn’t land for me at all
Yup! I have some issues with it but it’s still an absolute blast and full of heart. It’s so funny to see people on every single comments section “that does it, I’m done with the MCU now”. Ok bud. See ya.
I loved Love & Thunder. Taika keeps pushing Thor forward in his life, using both his past love in Jane and Gorr the villian who would see him dead. Both find these sentient items at the end of their lives giving them this new purpose, or second life, and their deaths are vehicles helping Thor find his own purpose, as the god who cares. Gorr, the god butcher would not exist if Thor was his god and Thor could not be that god without Jane teaching him the value of having love. Spoilers: Jane kills herself to stop Gorr, to save the next generation of gods (and a few aliens), in destroying Mjolnir(again), she destroys the Necrosword, which in itself was killing Gorr (and also compelling him to go from loving grieving father to axe murderer in a week) once it was gone and Gorr was just himself again (admittedly, dying) he could listen to Thor's words and see Thor, a god, choosing death to love a mortal in her final moments. Gorr's whole identity is that all gods are indifferent and unworthy, that reality is better off without them, and he's right, but only to an extent, which is where Thor is. Thor's just this absolute contradiction to Gorr's beliefs, to his quest. Gorr then in his final moments is just having this necrosword free re-evaluation of the genesis of his pain, what he wanted in that desert at the start of his journey: his daughter to live, but he was afraid, afraid she would be alone. To which Jane tells him to put faith in Thor. Gorr had to trust what he hated, what he vowed to destroy, with what he loved. Choosing love, Gorr dies and with Jane's death, Thor does the same chooses to love Gorr and becomes the god Gorr needed in his death. And so Thor and the Eternity Daughter Love, go about the universe having their own adventures. Thor's never really had the chance to be a dad in comics, there was Magni for a hot second, but that storyline was erased by Thor himself, so I am super jazzed about his maybe omnipotent daughter here. Side note: Also, I think the aether or more less gave Jane the stage 4 cancer that chemotherapy was ineffective at treating before she picks up Mjolnir (so, let's not blame the hammer too much for trying to help, it did bring Thor back from the dead in his movie). And while I'm sure not every god is as awful as Zeus is, its pretty evident from the film most of them are, which is where Gorr is right, but not entirely right. Namely why Jane's so dedicated to stopping him, as Thor's her evidence that they're not all whicked as Gorr's gods were. Though those two celestials in Omnipotence City? They are bad blokes. Into orgies and such.
And so the entire genesis of the conflict is in an inanimate sword that you learn nothing about where it came from or why it exists? Whereas the antithesis is a magic hammer that never came back to life for Thor, but did come back to life to kill his former girlfriend? But, nevermind all that, more screaming goats. I got nothing against the deep character messaging, but how we got there is a complete mess. Side note: How dare you besmirch the the good name of Bao, God of Dumplings. He throws the best orgies. Gorr should have prayed to him.
Fantastic analysis. MF, you made me cry. This movie is so difficult to truly judge. I LOVED certain scenes and they come back to me, but if I try to remember the movie as a whole it blurs together.
How do I google that "local reference" of Russell Crowe's accent? Comma Fruitra? I can't google it to save my life even though I think I've actually seen what it's referring to. Please help!
In regards to the way they will handle the ending where Homelander murders a man in front of the world: it will be said that he was a sex pest, or his record will be put on display to reveal that he actually deserved to die because he wasn't a model citizen.
This movie sums up how I feel about phase 4 in general. I really like it I don't love it. It's really good not great. I enjoyed myself with this movie I thought it's a solid 7/10 but it could and should have been a 10/10 all the parts are there but it just needs to be expanded upon. Hopefully we see some of those deleted scenes. I definitely agree with James but maso makes some good points.
Gorr needed to be built up more as an intimidating villain, and not just the 10minutes of Christian Bale acting. And they really REALLY needed to tone down on the humor and just let things simmer
Everyone is upset that we didn't see Gorr butcher more gods, but at least they showed a tiny bit of his path of destruction. I'm pissed that we didn't get a single scene, not one, of how him killing these gods actually effected the creatures that worship them. Like did this have any ramifications to the larger Marvel universe at all? Cus is really doesn't feel like it.
Thor: Ragnarok was (and still is) my favorite MCU movie, so I went into this with high expectations and I still really liked it! There were parts that weren’t perfect, for me the set up was rushed and I would have loved another half hour with Gorr and showing more of his arc and how long he had the sword for, and with Jane and her transformation into a Thor. I think that would have addressed a lot of your issues with the narrative feeling rushed and forced. I got the impression there were good gods too, Thor calls one good (again, another scene showing this would help), and seems genuinely upset when he finds out that Zeus was a douche. I may be wrong but I also thought that the race of aliens at the beginning were being attacked because their gods had been killed, they say they disappeared, so maybe they too were abandoned, but I thought the purpose of that inclusion *was* to show the negative impact of the gods being killed (lol broken record here but more run time explaining the situation would help). I think we are supposed to leave the movie thinking that Gorr was kinda right and a lot of the Gods were douches, and that Thor made the right choice by helping him and not defeating him. I wouldn’t be surprised if moving forward his movies were more about the gods and getting the bad ones out and good ones in. My husband wasn’t as big a fan, he isn’t super into the touching “all you need it love” stuff 🤣 But even he agreed that the ending not being a big battle was a nice change of pace. I kind of get what you’re saying about it being stuck to the MCU formula, but at the same time I feel like there were so many elements to it that were so different from everything else that in the end it does feel unique, especially to the movies that have been coming out recently that are so heavily focused on the multi-verse. I laughed a lot and cried at the end, and I will rewatch it before at least half of the other MCU movies.
@@hollandscottthomas I definitely have a lot of little things I would change (why so many fake out deaths?) but overall I was happy with it and I hope Marvel keeps letting these guys make movies together!
I heard taika said he wants to find what the fans hate, make that, and then make the fans love it. But I don't think it entirely landed on 2 feet. Maybe it was more of a hero pose. My biggest complaint is too much korg and his jokes. out of 10, best movie ever?
Corn The Cobb Butcher was so intimidating in this
I am really hoping for a Corn The Cobb Butcher vs Corn On The Cobblin later on in the MCU.
@@Etticos. into the corn-i verse
@@jovankandola fantastic Yeasts: pop secrets of dumblecorn
@@birdmanfancy9627 black panther: WaCORNda forever
I'll never forget his classic catchphrase: "Hey guys it's me, Corn The Cobb Butcher. What do you want?". Sent chills down my spine.
Homelander's son's reaction at the end of s3 was seriously the darkest thing that series has done, and it's been consistently bleak. Agree that that actor needs some serious props for that scene.
Every scene I really wanted to see in Thor: Love and Thunder happened offscreen.
Gorr murdering gods across the universe, including him killing Falligar and fighting Sif, Jane’s initial experience becoming Thor, Valkyrie struggling with being king and actually doing that “finding a queen” thing they kept talking about in the marketing, literally a single actual scene with Thor and the Guardians that didn’t feel about as substantive as what we saw in the trailers, and way more development for Gorr and his daughter.
Maybe have Gorr’s daughter have any sort of dialogue in the beginning of the movie? Maybe start the whole movie with a scene of Gorr and his daughter praying to their God to no avail as their society collapses, and we see how she is going hungry and he can’t do anything to save her, so we have that much more motivation for him!
Maybe the movie didn’t feel like they needed to belabor the point that a little girl dying of starvation despite her father’s best efforts is a bad thing, but at least give me enough where I’m going to remember that character throughout the movie without Gorr telling me halfway through to reinvest me.
Having the sword appear to him as his daughter and tell him to kill the gods would have been effective.
"Yeah..... but.... none of that is funny." - Waititi - "More screaming goats please."
I was really bummed they played Gorr like a one-off "villain of the week" instead of a Marvel "titan"-level villain. He's such a threat in the comics and in this film, he felt very manageable for the main crew.
Hey, Hey! to answer Mason's question, I am one of those people who sometimes skips to specific sections, for example couple of weeks ago I haven't seen Top Gun Maverick yet, so I listened to everything else but that section and then came back to it a day later once I have seen it. So thank you editor
Agree, do the same when they review a movie I am waiting to see, then use the time codes to come back to it.
Mason sounds like Korg recapping the Thor movie as he gives version of what he thinks the story is lol
Really enjoy those rare times when James and Maso just completely disagree on something, they don't batter each other down and manage to keep it funny and raise great points. I liked the movie a lot but get where Maso's coming from with a lot of it
Really still blown away that Dwayne the Rock appeared in an MCU film
Russel Crowe was my favorite part about the movie!! The little twirl has me rolling!!!
Empire magazine wish they were big enough to get an interview with The Weekly Planet.
For being 2 hrs, it felt short. I think a scene of Goor fighting Sif and Falligar would have gone a long way. Overall I liked it but it coulda been so much better
I said the exact same thing! I’m also disappointed they cut the scene of Jane’s transformation a Thor, and thing we needed to bridge that gap, but they do love their big reveals!
Still really glad Lady Sif is alive simply because the actress couldn't make it into _Thor: Ragnarok_ for The Warriors Three slaughter. XD
She marries Thor in comic continuity.
@@rhettgedies7467 I didn't want her to die, I just wanted to see that fight. The action scenes were good in this movie.
@@chrissullivan6572 The black and white planet fight was the highlight. Besides that, this film was a big L. I'm shocked it made _MoM_ look excellent.
@@rhettgedies7467 I liked this one way more than MoM
“It’s hammer time” wouldve been the only acceptable catch phrase
Shit. Lightning strikes in the middle of a fight *Jane has arrived*, smoke clears and she just goes "Stop...Hammer Time !"
Then she goes on a rampage, while "U Can't touch this" plays in the background.
That would've been SICK !!!
Yes, I skip around! The time codes are super helpful! Though usually I skip more to avoid spoilers on things I haven't seen yet than to get *to* specific things
The best use of screaming goats was in The Modok animated series when they visit Asgard. They manage the returns of the joke perfectly. You're allowed to forget about it then they'll hit you hard when you least expect it but with funny visuals to mix it up 😂
I love Korg. Korg is a funny character. Love & Thunder made me hate Korg. Textbook "too much of a good thing"
He's a guy who works best in small doses, but here he's in damn near every scene with Thor and I don't remember him having a single line of dialogue that wasn't unecessary exposition or an increasingly unfunny joke/random non-sequitur. It was so grating. The MCU gets semi-valid criticism for overuse of quips, this was that times a thousand. Its absolutely baffling to take such a fun character and make him the single most obnoxious thing in the entire film. Taika has shown masterful balance between comedy and seriousness in other films, so i don't know why he threw it out the window here.
I can agree with that. Korg had most of the best jokes in Ragnorok but none of the big laughs came from him in this movie. He just kind of talks a lot.
Gorr the God talker....I feel so bad for Jason Aaron. Had so many of his best thor ideas turned into a 2 hr big bang theory episode
I appreciate the bravery of James to put himself into shoes like mine, as a guy who doesn’t know everything about anime, to talk me through a couple of duffers make a Deathnote.
I agree with Mason more this time, though he’s a lot harsher on it than me. I also feel as though he’s getting stuck in the weeds about individual lines when I’d argue this movie has far more foundational problems with shooting, editing, and visual effects that kill any effect the dialogue should have had on the audience.
It was the definition of “just a movie”
@@austinsavage5962 It’s the wasted potential that gets me
Came here to comment this as well. Maso getting stuck up on Gorr not wishing for his wife to be alive was weird. Same for Mjolnir calling out to Jane.
I've noticed he tends to do that when he gets into the headspace of hating a movie, which is quite rare for him.
I think his (completely valid) issues with how Gorr was introduced soured the rest of his experience. He makes a lot of good points but I think I land somewhere between James and Nick.
@@spartanB0292 When we love something, we forgive its flaws. When we dislike something, we pick everything apart. I hate some stuff critics love, and this comes to mind whenever they handwave a stupid plot.
Terrific film but not showing Gorr actually butcher some gods on-screen is a mind boggling oversight.
Yeh they needed to build him more as an antagonist. He just kinda appears and then we see loads of gods have been slaughtered. A sequence of him slaughtering some really powerful gods would’ve really added to his power level.
Gorr the god butcher not doing much god butchering is the same reason this movie and multiverse of madness has more kids in the cast, because they seem to be purposefully gearing these more towards kids. The funny thing is, kids liked these movies without being pandered to with light-up weapons and god powers.
@@sirdaveysockrocker bruh. MoM is a WAY different vibe than this. Multiverse is not a "geared towards kids" movie and the theater I was in learned that the hard way.
Normaly I agree with [insert Host here], but they're way off their mark this time.
which one?
@@iammatthewdavid03 which weapon are you mate?
Is it the host you like or the host that you don't like?
normally i agree with james and/or mason, and this is one of those times
I really loved when Christie Bale said " TOGETHAAAA, WE WILL DEVOOOOOUUUURRRRR THE VERY GAAAAAAWDS"
Fwiw it's implied Stormbreaker was being inaccurate because of the sentience/jealousy thing concerning Thor and Mjolnir.
Mason, never don't hate a movie. Listening to you shit all over something is as much fun as I can have of an afternoon. Much grumpy old man energy!
100%.
His Phantom Menace rant from Caravan of Garbage is fucking hilarious.
The way James thought Rope Pope Cop's catchphrase was him "just letting people know, while Mason thought he was just saying it. Hilarious.
I feel like they're missing a crucial part of Gor's character... the fact that he imprisoned and tormented children with the end goal being murdering all or them. That's just maybe a lil bit damming of his character.
There were so many reviews put out before I saw Thor, I was expecting it to be overbearing with the comedy. I kept seeing that emotional moments were undercut by poor comedy but in my experience it seemed the movie was able to hold the moment well. Some jokes didn’t land for me but every marvel movies comedy is just alright. This movie is no exception with its jokes. There was a lot of fun creative action scenes. The fight at the gods stage felt the most rushed. It didn’t really accomplish much for the story. I enjoyed that the main goal of the heroes was in part, saving people. As the MCU has grown heroes doing something as simple as saving people has become less become.
Yep. It was the definition of “this was ok but it should have been so much better”.
it really has become less become.
Btw Jane and Thor and all the main four did react negatively to the comment about human sacrifices, and Jane is very pissed. I think the fact that Thor doesn’t care if the gods retaliate shows he things they’re all shit now too.
Tony Sirico’s role in the sopranos is fucking incredible. The way the writers just let him play himself in the show is amazing, and it comes off so organically and real throughout the entire show he never misses a single beat even as the show starts leaning away from the comedy and getting more dramatic. On top of that his dramatic scenes are still so good, whenever he had to be intimidating, or compassionate even it always came off as very genuine. RIP Tony Sirico.
The Weekly Planet, The Weekly Planet.
Really wish marvel would just let some of their films and even tv shows breathe a little more, the extra 10-15 minutes of extra scenes and development could go a long way
16:00 thank you for making this obvious distinction.
Maybe Gorr didn't bring his wife back with his daughter because his wife was really terrible and they had an ongoing custody battle
1:22:22 James' "yeah man" catapulted me back 20 odd years to watching The Jungle Book when Mowgli says it at the end of Bear Necessities
“The Boys” finale was adequate, but really surprisingly unfinished and clumsy compared to the phenomenal 3rd season: Soldier Boy rejects Homelander’s legitimately compelling offer, but why is he doing anything after learning Noir has died??
there’s a lot that didn’t make sense
I felt that solder boy reaction to homelander was the one of the things that made sense in the finale I enjoyed it but this season was so good that it was just a alright episode overall
His reason for wanting to kill Homelander was quite clear. He says exactly why. Homelander came at him all tears and drama. Soldier Boy saw it as weakness. He felt Homelander was a cry baby because he did not raise him. So he could not have the world knowing Homelander was his son.
Soldier boy siding against homelander for being a “sniveling pussy” or whatever he said seemed right to me. Butcher turning on soldier boy over Ryan on the other hand seemed like Bullshit.
Best season, but spoiled by a disappointing finale imo. part of me wondered if it was reshot? As you say it certainly felt very clumsy and rushed.
Love And Thunder reminded me a lot of Asterix And Obelix movies in early 2000s
in a best way, good silly
"quip, exposition, 'nother quip, scene transition"
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Fascinating that James is the one who enjoyed love and thunder. Seeing as he was the one who wasn’t as jazzed about ragnarok
James and mason were way off the mark with this one! Yeah no I thought Thfour was fine generally. I have no strong opinions on it. Other than there was too much Korg
Went to see Thor Love and Thunder yesterday and was disappointed. I thought the cinematography was poor and the comedy didn't work for me in places. Glad you guys liked it.
Well, at least "Hey! Who ate all my pasketti" is no longer the worst catchphrase James has ever said.
Can't believe Gorr didn't use his only wish to wish away his feelings
He used his wish on getting the boys to review Snake Eyes.
Gorr is more of an antagonist than a villian. He's in conflict with thor because he took the children and because his wish would kill Thor not because Thor believes in the gods. That's why the gods are set up as the next opponent for Thor.
Gorr is just an angry dude who needs a chance to talk to someone who knows what he's going through and he gets that from Thor. I think it's cute. You know, instead of blowing his head up or something
I love the catchphrase of Ropepopecop.
Here’s my thought: Season 4 might re-introduce Black Noir as an actual Homelander clone. I still do think there might be a twist to that though, like Homelander is fully aware and in control of the clone.
at. this point they aren't taking the. plot from the books
I think nueman becomes season 4 main antagonist
Someone please make a “weekly planet out of context” compilation
There is a Hampshire in Canada, on Prince Edward Island. And it is a newer one than the one in England, so there you go.
Im not going to lie, I got conditioned to hear "west world"...and when I dont it forces me to question my reality.
Sif's lost arm in TLAT was a good special effect. Seemed like an arm was missing in terms of the movement.
Normally I agree with Maso and I think he’s way on the mark here. I think it’s very strange that we never really go into Gorr’s morality. Like Thor has a conflict with gods being lazy and greedy and then attempts to kill a god but Gorr is bad for killing a big gold guy who’s strangling him to death? Especially since Thor 1-3 are to varying degrees about the consequences of nepotism of Asgard you would think the discussion would be stronger since it was already built into Thor’s core. The movie is too rushed to really go into much, especially since the counter between nepotistic gods and Jane making peace with her mortality could’ve meshed. It’s a lot of ideas that go well together and the editing and pacing just… fumble the catch
Yeah I think Nick’s points about Gorr were spot-on. I liked Thor 4 but it would have been so much better if they explored Gorr further. Strongly recommend that people read the comic.
Gorr is a vigilante. Some of his targets deserve death, some were just the same species as his original target. Saying "Lets discuss whether to murder innocents if we don't like their species" is such a weird point to get stuck on.
@@krishadyn5211 no, I don’t have a problem with Gorr. I have a problem with Thor. Thor has no opinion on Gorr’s perspective. Gorr isn’t the hero of the story so it doesn’t matter what happens to him but a story should challenge our main character and create his morals through the exploration of a counter. That doesn’t happen to Thor here. Thor doesn’t really change that much except in his perspective on love
The government should brainwash Soldier Boy and use him like the Winter Soldier to take down supes that get out of line in the next season of the The Boys.
Gorr's wife didn't wanna come back yet cause she's training on Yardrat
Can't believe Mason didn't love it just on him having thunder strikes costume in the beginning of the movie. Over all same thought it was to slap sticky
This is the only podcast I listen to
thats because the rest hav visuals
I was double tapping my screen to scroll to the Love and Thunder section only to hear the guys pondering if people skip to specific segments.
I feel like a lot of people missed that this whole movie was told from the perspective of Korg which explains a lot of the goofiness and silliness. And if you go to any really old mythology it’s all pretty crazy and ridiculous. I think I get what they were going for and I really enjoyed it for what it was
Sirico was in Lilyhammer too and it was really good I thought. Indeed, one of the greats.
If you're looking for Retcons between film & TV version, there's always Buffy. The film is meant to be in continuity with the TV show (though the only continuity character was Buffy herself, and she was recast) but I'm sure there were many changes between the film and the TV show.
Joss Whedon always took great pains to clarify that the Buffy TV show was a sequel to his original script for the movie, which was later turned into a comic book published by Dark Horse, and not the Buffy movie itself.
"Pine Barrens" ...Maso is correct. Flawless episode. "He killed fifteen Chekoslvakians..the guy was an interior decorator, "
It's been a whole weekend and I don't have a "Cool Story Bro" with Brett Goldstein's face yet. Internet, what are you even for?!
Thor four: Thor v Gorr was not a bore
I never thought to skip to the parts I’m interested in thanks maso
Them recapping the movie reminds me of when corg tells us about Jane and thor
Rope pope sounds like it was developed in the same manner as thor forth
I think Love and Thunder is a very fun silly movie with emotional moments that land way more than they don't. It's definitely not perfect, and the plot is fairly minimal, so I absolutely recognize the criticisms of this movie. I really love where this movie leaves the characters
Thor getting a daughter is somehow perfect
@@joesamson2639 it doesn't hurt that she's played by Chris Hemsworth's real life daughter too
It was about as good as a moldy bag of ass
@@joesamson2639 I'm cynical about it, but Taika is right, I'd rather skip the marriage and childbirth to get Thor's daughter.
I'm honestly a little embarrassed that James liked Th4r *that* much
So Lena Headey was gonna play Hera right?
To be fair taika watiti did say the way to make a film is imagine your big scenes first and build around them which does make sense
I totally enjoy James and Maso' opinions being very different to mine. I felt that having seen The Adventures of Baron Munchausen helped me get through Thor. I loved two or three sentiments and that held it together for me. More Dark Elf and more Gor also.
I duffed up a duffer in a duffel bag once.
Also why didn't Thanos just get to Eternity and make a wish? That sounds so much easier than stone collecting.
I don't think he knew it existed. It was a secret among gods. Gor clearly squeezed that info from a god he killed but Thanos couldn't have known.
This is probably a pretty bad excuse for movie that doesn't deserve it.
@@TopTwom It's not bad. You'd want to keep a perpetual wish granting realm a secret. The universe would get pretty chaotic if too many beings started showing up.
Maybe Gor saw the wish had to be for his daughter to return in exchange for his own life and saw Thor would protect her. I have a hunch all we know, Gor has learned somehow.
On the topic of Mad Max sequels, for years Americans didn't know it was a sequel because it was simply called Road Warrior as the original hadn't performed well enough
When I was walking into the theater I thought it would be an interesting concept if gorr was the protagonist of this movie if most of it followed him on his journey and he comes across mostly bad gods a good god here and there and have thor trying to find a way to stop his righteous goal also Thor’s best moments are when he’s not trying to be funny this whole movie it feels like a guy hiding behind humor due to fear and ptsd which I guess he is kinda is but I don’t think that’s what taika was going for and the whole movie just tried being two different films the whole time
Rope Pope Cop is obviously a sneaky reference to the song After Forever by Black Sabbath, which, despite being a pro-Catholic song, was super controversial in the early 70’s for the line “would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope, do you think he’s a fool?”
Super excited for Rope Pope Cop, although his catch phrase is a little off putting.
It’s weird, Korg was my favourite character in Ragnarok and least favourite in Love and Thunder. Don’t know how they Flanderised him so quickly
The movie was OK at best. Some really good sequences (no spoilers, but basically the artsy scenes with Gorr) and stellar acting, but really boring and dull for the most and I agree with Mason, the GN’R tracks were just supplements to awesomeness for the scenes they were used.
I’m checked out and done with Marvel after Guardians 3. Might check out Spider-Man movies because I like the character. The glut of Marvel, Star Wars and now Pixar movies from Disney is sullying the positive reputation each of them had. It’s totally quantity over quality with no respite to build up anticipation and appreciation for them.
pixar is the only one still doing quality stuff lightyear wasn’t great but that’s like one miss
Same with Guardians 3, it's all I'm waiting for and then I don't think I'll ever purposely watch another Marvel film. Still pissed that we'll never get a full-feature film of Asgardians of the Galaxy.
I also didn't like Love and Thunder but FWIW it seems like with the post credits scene they're basically setting up the premise Maso is asking for where Thor fights the other pantheons because they're dicks, admittedly it's more those other pantheons fighting him but w/e. My big problem with it is that Christian Bale felt like he was in a completely different movie than everyone else and I think I would like that movie more
Hercules is a strange choice because he was pre-Jesus Jesus.
I think Mjolnir did save Jane in the end since she ended up in Valhalla
This movie seems like they looked at Ragnarok and drew all of the wrong conclusions from it.
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IT DID. It did though. You never elaborate one what rules of the wider universe supposedly weren’t followed
Maso's right about Special effects = live effects, and visual effects (VFX) = CGI ones
Have to talk about this a lot for work and was happy I finally knew the answer to a question on this podcast 🤣🤣
Anyways love the pod and although I agree with James and loved the film, I can see Maso's point of views
Well James was definitely correct about The Boys S4 washing away the murder charges quickly
I unironically loved Love & Thunder so damn much. I don't care about any canon issues or plot holes to the MCU cos tbh this entire franchies has been riddled with those since movie one and complaining about that has real "cinema-sins" vibes
I get why some people didn't really vibe too hard with the tone but honestly for me this was perfect
yeah little pests love garbage
I’ve never really cared about stuff like that too unless it’s super Major but my distaste for this movie is the comedy I laughed maybe twice and it really affected my enjoyment of the film we’re just found my self so tired of hearing jokes that didn’t land for me at all
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Yup!
I have some issues with it but it’s still an absolute blast and full of heart. It’s so funny to see people on every single comments section “that does it, I’m done with the MCU now”. Ok bud. See ya.
The Boys Diabolical really fleshed out this season.
It's uncomfortable not hearing Westworld, don't know what that says about me
I loved Love & Thunder. Taika keeps pushing Thor forward in his life, using both his past love in Jane and Gorr the villian who would see him dead. Both find these sentient items at the end of their lives giving them this new purpose, or second life, and their deaths are vehicles helping Thor find his own purpose, as the god who cares. Gorr, the god butcher would not exist if Thor was his god and Thor could not be that god without Jane teaching him the value of having love.
Spoilers:
Jane kills herself to stop Gorr, to save the next generation of gods (and a few aliens), in destroying Mjolnir(again), she destroys the Necrosword, which in itself was killing Gorr (and also compelling him to go from loving grieving father to axe murderer in a week) once it was gone and Gorr was just himself again (admittedly, dying) he could listen to Thor's words and see Thor, a god, choosing death to love a mortal in her final moments. Gorr's whole identity is that all gods are indifferent and unworthy, that reality is better off without them, and he's right, but only to an extent, which is where Thor is.
Thor's just this absolute contradiction to Gorr's beliefs, to his quest. Gorr then in his final moments is just having this necrosword free re-evaluation of the genesis of his pain, what he wanted in that desert at the start of his journey: his daughter to live, but he was afraid, afraid she would be alone. To which Jane tells him to put faith in Thor. Gorr had to trust what he hated, what he vowed to destroy, with what he loved. Choosing love, Gorr dies and with Jane's death, Thor does the same chooses to love Gorr and becomes the god Gorr needed in his death.
And so Thor and the Eternity Daughter Love, go about the universe having their own adventures.
Thor's never really had the chance to be a dad in comics, there was Magni for a hot second, but that storyline was erased by Thor himself, so I am super jazzed about his maybe omnipotent daughter here.
Side note:
Also, I think the aether or more less gave Jane the stage 4 cancer that chemotherapy was ineffective at treating before she picks up Mjolnir (so, let's not blame the hammer too much for trying to help, it did bring Thor back from the dead in his movie).
And while I'm sure not every god is as awful as Zeus is, its pretty evident from the film most of them are, which is where Gorr is right, but not entirely right. Namely why Jane's so dedicated to stopping him, as Thor's her evidence that they're not all whicked as Gorr's gods were.
Though those two celestials in Omnipotence City? They are bad blokes. Into orgies and such.
And so the entire genesis of the conflict is in an inanimate sword that you learn nothing about where it came from or why it exists? Whereas the antithesis is a magic hammer that never came back to life for Thor, but did come back to life to kill his former girlfriend? But, nevermind all that, more screaming goats. I got nothing against the deep character messaging, but how we got there is a complete mess.
Side note:
How dare you besmirch the the good name of Bao, God of Dumplings. He throws the best orgies. Gorr should have prayed to him.
Fantastic analysis. MF, you made me cry.
This movie is so difficult to truly judge. I LOVED certain scenes and they come back to me, but if I try to remember the movie as a whole it blurs together.
I mean, i had a good time
How do I google that "local reference" of Russell Crowe's accent? Comma Fruitra? I can't google it to save my life even though I think I've actually seen what it's referring to. Please help!
So Gor isn't shown doing any gore in this Thor ?
This is devastating. How can we trust Maso again now that he gave Thor a worst movie ever?
In regards to the way they will handle the ending where Homelander murders a man in front of the world: it will be said that he was a sex pest, or his record will be put on display to reveal that he actually deserved to die because he wasn't a model citizen.
The forehead got shown up big time by his Co host and mate pmsl, and 80% improvised. And maso a whole bucket of respect to u my friend
im pretty sure they did mention the wife
This movie sums up how I feel about phase 4 in general. I really like it I don't love it. It's really good not great. I enjoyed myself with this movie I thought it's a solid 7/10 but it could and should have been a 10/10 all the parts are there but it just needs to be expanded upon. Hopefully we see some of those deleted scenes. I definitely agree with James but maso makes some good points.
Gorr needed to be built up more as an intimidating villain, and not just the 10minutes of Christian Bale acting.
And they really REALLY needed to tone down on the humor and just let things simmer
For one hilariously brief moment in time, "practice on this" was the most scandalous thing Maso ever said on this show
Everyone is upset that we didn't see Gorr butcher more gods, but at least they showed a tiny bit of his path of destruction. I'm pissed that we didn't get a single scene, not one, of how him killing these gods actually effected the creatures that worship them. Like did this have any ramifications to the larger Marvel universe at all? Cus is really doesn't feel like it.
Thor: Ragnarok was (and still is) my favorite MCU movie, so I went into this with high expectations and I still really liked it! There were parts that weren’t perfect, for me the set up was rushed and I would have loved another half hour with Gorr and showing more of his arc and how long he had the sword for, and with Jane and her transformation into a Thor. I think that would have addressed a lot of your issues with the narrative feeling rushed and forced.
I got the impression there were good gods too, Thor calls one good (again, another scene showing this would help), and seems genuinely upset when he finds out that Zeus was a douche. I may be wrong but I also thought that the race of aliens at the beginning were being attacked because their gods had been killed, they say they disappeared, so maybe they too were abandoned, but I thought the purpose of that inclusion *was* to show the negative impact of the gods being killed (lol broken record here but more run time explaining the situation would help). I think we are supposed to leave the movie thinking that Gorr was kinda right and a lot of the Gods were douches, and that Thor made the right choice by helping him and not defeating him. I wouldn’t be surprised if moving forward his movies were more about the gods and getting the bad ones out and good ones in.
My husband wasn’t as big a fan, he isn’t super into the touching “all you need it love” stuff 🤣 But even he agreed that the ending not being a big battle was a nice change of pace. I kind of get what you’re saying about it being stuck to the MCU formula, but at the same time I feel like there were so many elements to it that were so different from everything else that in the end it does feel unique, especially to the movies that have been coming out recently that are so heavily focused on the multi-verse. I laughed a lot and cried at the end, and I will rewatch it before at least half of the other MCU movies.
I had fun with it! Like, I have a lot of notes, but it was silly and colourful and pretty simple overall.
@@hollandscottthomas I definitely have a lot of little things I would change (why so many fake out deaths?) but overall I was happy with it and I hope Marvel keeps letting these guys make movies together!
Instead of Gorr the God Butcher he should have been called Gorr the guy who accidentally killed a complete jackass
I heard taika said he wants to find what the fans hate, make that, and then make the fans love it. But I don't think it entirely landed on 2 feet. Maybe it was more of a hero pose. My biggest complaint is too much korg and his jokes. out of 10, best movie ever?