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You sound insane insurance is not an exploit they talked about insuring your ships with everything on now the other creators will say you are attacking them because you forgot that insurance exists stop that stop being a busy body you gonna tell CIG to take down channels are you insane? That's one of the cardinal sins of youtube you never do that what are you on? Stop listening to salty busy bodies in your ear and go off what you do what you know if you had done that you would know ship insurance was always intended.
@@sketchtherapy1218 wow, speaking of salty. I never heard him say insurance wasnt intended, he asked a number of questions in relation to what degree insurance should affect us and whether for instance it should be more in high risk areas like Pyro. What are you on about? he never said to remove channels, he said if people are exploiting and cheating they should lose access, obviously you support the cheaters if you are opposed to that. Cheating ruins ALL games that dont stamp it out, period.
sketchtherapy1218 - i'm sorry but I have to disagree with you a little bit because I think you're misinterpreting what the insurance is in the game for your ships. As CIG has mentioned about the insurance and game is only intended to replace your ship in the event it gets destroyed. The insurance will only cover the hull of the ship meaning the standard version of it. At some point during the development people add additional Insurance as an add on to your existing insurance for upgrades that you put on your ship. They also brought up stern warning to any player caught using the insurance to exploit it, like for instance, selling your ship to a friend in game and then reporting it as stolen in order to get the ship back again. That is an exploit and not a feature and if that happens that player can get permanently banned from the game and lose their account as well as all money spent on the game. Furthermore, why you stating this busybody mentality almost incriminate you as being one of those people who would exploit the game and never report an exploit. Because if you read the term of service agreement you will find that exploding is not allowed in the game and it's caught doing it you can be banned from the game permanently. Exploding is something that destroys every single game out there because certain players feel it's either funny, or a way of cheating the game and others just suit their own benefits and that is something I DO NOT condone in any player getting caught doing it should be permanently banned from the game. In fact, I encourage players to report anyone that you feel is exploding and let the developer CIG sort it out since that is their job and not the player. In addition, any player who does know of another player exploding should never ever report that on the forms because that is not what the forms are intended to be.
@@XxTavoRxX what are you talking about? did you read what I said? you seem confused. I'm not attacking him I'm his mod, if you don't believe me drop by a live show and you will see. As for you opinion it's meaningless to me and it will not change mine.
They need to allow stocking our ships with weapons, armor, food, and drink and just charge us when we land and click restock. Game is so tedious everytime i die to constantly get all of those things just to hit an invisable asteroid 5 min later.
@@EndGame8968 agreed. I have never actually tried it. Me personally I just mean the elevators, trains, etc. Looking forward to spawning in hangers again
100% on this needing to be (remain) a standard feature. Also totally fine with a "restocking" fee over and above the price of the original items for this convenience. For account bound items, the original price may be free, but you still get dinged with restock fee. Duping issues are just a defect/limitation of CIGs inventory systems and need to get fixed like any other bug.
Upvoting this hardly. It also is a bluepring of the blueprint system. If you find a rare item, you can use it as a "blueprint", and by paying you can clone it.
As someone who paid real world money for a FPS weapon (a P8AR) and was too terrified to actually use it, only to lose it to a bug or murder hobo... I LOVE the insurance feature. It makes the gun I paid for usable.
I know they said that if you paid real world money for items that you'll be able to reclaim them eventually. They are not sure how they want to do it yet. Its also not a high priority at this time. It needs to be in for 1.0 though. Unless all that has changed in the last couple of years of course.
Are you mad? This is clearly an exploit not a feature. The idea of insurance is to replace what you lost, NOT duplicate what you have. CIG ha stated item insurance is coming later - this is NOT it.
@@JollygreenFullSteamthen don’t make items you paid money for permanently lost until an insurance feature comes out. Imagine if the same happened to your ships you paid hundreds of dollars for.
@@JollygreenFullSteamexcept you do have to pay for the duplicates, It’s not like they’re free. So I suppose it’s more an unofficial ‘workaround’ than an exploit so long as you’re just replacing lost items. Given that you can lose gear through game bugs I think it’s reasonable. However, if you’re duping to somehow make money then yes, I agree it’s an exploit
I have a favorite helmet that’s only available in the pledge store, and being able to reclaim it is such a relief. I no longer have to melt the item and repurchase it every time. The same logic applies to weapons-if I can buy them in the pledge store with real money, there’s no real difference between that and replacing them with aUEC in-game. Spending aUEC feels like the better option to me.
@@briandonovan2976 There are very certain instances (only one that I know of, actually) that'll allow you to repurchase armor, and even then, it doesn't work on backpacks. Gun racks aren't even a sure thing. As far as I've seen, nothing else can be "insured". The supervisor's cards and stuff that have been mentioned in the doom threads don't seem to be replaceable.
The insurance actually encourages player trading. Most folks don't ever use rare armor if they can't get it back. Now there is a renewed interest in rare weapons and armor. It's not game breaking at all.
Part of the fun is the fear of losing it. tbf to CIG they are addressing this by resetting the gear when an failure happens. I had my gear given back many times. Also, I find if you "own" a specific gear set. You tend to find more pieces of it in the verse. So, if you do die and the gear is gone, you will find it back if you vary your gameplay. CIG as shown it can stop other players from using bought gear from other players in the past. To halt redistributing then. Also seen lots of looted bought gear disappear or turn to standard in my inventory. If you get looted and the finder wears your gear, fine. If he/she just stores, dumps or dies, then the option should come back to the original owner by being added to the loot table. In boxes or on npc's.
Players would trade for the first week until they had all the sets they need. Then trade would stop because it would all keep coming back on insurance.
@@errgoth Maybe for you and a rare few enjoy the thought of losing the gear that you spend days weeks acquiring to your first untimely death sounds fun. Most of us don't where our rare stuff until right before a wipe. For all the dumb ways you can die in the verse, why bother? I want to play the game not perpetually farm my armor over and over and over again. Likely this is a test of a future feature for insurance. I doubt it will stay in the live build for long. However you should expect features like this to be in the game eventually. They told us they would be when they discussed insurance.
they have been doing this for more than a decade now but there are still bugs still present from a decade ago (elevators number one) and more than once have they tried to really focus on bugs but it delayed patch release and doesnt really make sense since every patch new bugs or older bugs resurface anyway so here we are now. they only fix things when absolutely needed or when it becomes popular/infamous enough. The report council has been there forever and they are still chasing similar bugs from ages ago.
Restock equipment should be a 5th option on the mobiglas Landing menu. It should allow restocking from own warehouse(free) or station(paid) if items are available for sale at the given location. It should work for all compartments, not only weapon racks. Ship stock items should be managed from the ship engineering terminal.
I think restocking needs to just happen. Introducing location restrictions is going to create unnecessary chaos. If you can reclaim an entirely new polaris in the middle of pyro, then they definitely can source items from other locations. I'm also totally fine with loading the ship manually the first time or when changing out items. So not certain there's a compelling reason or use case for a UI here. Maybe add reclaiming assets from the asset viewer to restock a specific item back to your home base that's been left in some random space station...for a fee.
It's a lazy idea. The whole point should be the that losing gear is a problem and a hasle. That makes you take care of it more. Not talking about system failures. That should, and does mostly, reset your gear to your inventory.
@@errgoth losing gear and deco that you spent literally hours stocking and customizing your ship layout because someone snipes you randomly while your mining, salvaging, etc. is not fun and is destroying my game play. While people that are doing constant PvP are likely just jumping in an empty ship and blasting away with minimal consequences. My style of game play (environmental RP) shouldn't be punished because of random violence. It's not a fair exchange of risk and I shouldn't be forced to live in fear because I want to customize my ships.
I know people who have bought AUEC online and I don't hate them for it. Make 2 million in game, put 2 million in cargo to flip for profit, game crashes or breaks, and you now have no cargo and no money after 20 hours of grinding. If the game loops were more polished, I think you'd have less gold buyers. I don't think it makes sense for CIG to punish those players for buying AUEC. I've spawned in with 20k, spent 90% of it on guns, ammo, armor, and supplies. Hopped in to do my first mission of the patch and quantum travel shot me into a planet and I lost everything before I could even do the mission. They just get mad because you don't spend 20 bucks for a measly 20k UEC on their site.
If you put all your money into cargo and loose it you deserve it. This is just playing the game badly. Buying credits should be an instant account delete.
CIG makes AUEC for free and sell it at a punishing rate. Then have the audacity to be upset when someone uses their code to work in a game then sell that work at a competitive rate in a system called capitalism. Maybe the answer isn't ban healthy competition but take a more objective look at the value of auec and compete in an open market.
better off buying ships if you're gonna spend real money, at least they persist through wipes. Why spend real money on AUEC when it just vanishes? You can melt your purchased ships for store credit and basically try whatever ships you like from the pledge store, and you can do that as many times as you want.
@@stratvidsyeah ok you no life CIG simp you deserve the bugs you get. I’ll save lots of time buying AEUC at $.99 for 100k while you sit there for hours making that poor boy.
This is on CIG to fix, no one should ever be banned unless they are intentionally damaging the gameplay of people, the development process, or the server environments.
Previously you got the weapons back with the ship insurance. That was a duplication bug. Now you get the ship back clean, nothing in it, but if you repair the ship you have to pay full price for the weapons. This is NOT a duplication bug if you ask me, but a feature. However, what I couild change with it is that you can only rebuy weapons that are available in the station you are currently at. So for instance, if you have a P4 and a Railgun, then if you "repair" you only get the P4, but not the railgun.
The weapon thing is a feature and I think that's completely fine. You pay for the weapons and they're not cheap (I remember another youtuber testing it and having to pay 200k for a full rack of guns to be replaced). It's just a massive time saver if you wanna equip your polaris with weapons, save it and not having to do it each time you run into a glitch or it gets destroyed or lost. Gold sellers are always annoying but kinda unavoidable. The good thing I see is that you still have an economy within star citizen, so hauling from one base to another will not be affected by it, neither will commodity prices for items that are needed for base building or ship building later (since those are still limited and have to be actually farmed). As far as exploits go, they need to be fixed. It's an alpha so we need to talk about which exploits are possible and not keep them secret in order for CIG to be able to fix them before 1.0.
Gold selling can be fixed by only being able to transfer less than 250 000 EUC at a time then u have to wait 24h. I will totally cripple the gold farmers supply chain and distrubtion network.
The thing is the weapons and gear needs to either be sold at the station / LZ or you have it in your loval warehouse. Limited and rare items shouldnt be magically spawned.
I think duping and stuff like that will become less common when manufacturing comes in. Many people I've known who duped items didn't do it for money, but so they could outfit themselves properly. Had the option to pay for the item in game been available they would have gone that route.
Yeah they really need to rethink their _sim vs. playability_ balance. I have a real job that I go to all day, I want to play a game in my down-time (crazy idea?). Case in point: current MM implementation, they took the fun out of the main selling point of this game for me - flying the ships. Saving up AUEC to buy new ships was basically my loop. Currently the impetus to do anything for in-game currency just isn't there, why save up for ships with the tediousness that is MM?
@@CosmicTurtle13 your not understanding what I’m saying, when crafting comes into the game it will most likely be broken and there will most likely be bugs that cause items to duplicate while most will be obvious and found and patched there will also be some that are gatekept once they are found and people will sell duped items for real money in mass amounts it happens in almost every game like this just look at arks official servers duplicated items and blueprints are being sold for cash sure there’s ways to stop this like item ids for each craft but there’s also work arounds to get past item id detection
I do not take weapon current "insurance" as duping...as you have no chance to recover even pledged weapons/armor...which is critical when you pay for them.
I lost a 8scu box of gear and weapons that I was transferring from station to planet due to the game bugging out/running very poorly. Until the game is truly stable I would never use a rare item i found... and whats the point of even having it then. The weapon insurance (which feels like a feature not an exploit to me) to actually use a weapon or armor. Plus, without the insurance weapon racks are useless, Worse, they are a liability.
i never use my rare items ever, they sit in storage and I use base weapons which work just fine. I like the idea of insuring but if you are putting your gear in storage locker and claiming that means they are not using it in the first place or it would be on them not in the locker
Banning accounts in an ALPHA game is just weird (especially when they rely on crowd funding) and shouldn't be on the table -- yet. Fix the issues and wipe if necessary, as usual.
930 years in the future and not been able to insure equipment or have the infrastructure there to support this is incredibly dumb. Equipment insurance should very much be a thing given it's an imperial capitalist setting too, so CIG do need to look into it.
@@RUFFnSORE Low effort attempt. Not even accurate. Read through even just this comments section and you'll see a number of places where I point out where CIG has screwed up, or mentioned game breaking bugs. Along with the good things that have come about. It's called a balanced view. You should maybe read up on it. We used to have them back when clinical thought was all the rage. But, then, I'm not the one who's talking about how over with the game I am and still commenting on videos about it. The games I'm over, I don't watch or comment on videos of. Because I'm over them, see? See how that works?
I like the option to be able to insure my gear, even if it costs more money. Since discovering I can insure my gear I have been going out and using the gear that since then has just sat there in my hangar , so until they make a viable way to do so , I don't mind it.
@@XxTavoRxXit’s not an option. It’s “insurance”. Store your guns in the weapon rack on you ship, change a component, save, recall your ship after and when you repair it, the weapons get replaced. For money.
@@SaalikJaeger well I guess if they have tons of money, but I can see why CiG would consider it duping and not legit. in real life if you used insurance to pay for something that wasn't really lost it would be fraud. Just saying that for those who think insurance is meant to pay for everything, they clearly have not dealt with insurance companies in real life 😜
I havent used the insurance method to purchase gear yet, only because there have been too many server errors to login and have fun. If insurance purchases are considered 'exploits', then a full wipe needs to occur with 4.1 Too many players have been unable to play anyways, so the economy is already totally lopsided due to all these issues. Just do a full wipe. Easy.
Gold sellers are one of the things keeping the game going. Because so much of it is a boring grind. The garbage rollout and frequent wipes make doing that grind less desirable than elite dangerous.
why pay for money that will disappear? if you are spending real money, buy a ship you will always have. then you don't need to grind to buy a ship, you have one.
@@XxTavoRxX Because for $17 (less than the cost of a few pints at the bar) I can gain $100 Million aUEC and purchase and test any ship, component, armor, weapon or ship build that I want with no grind. I'm happy to purchase the power to test the game without the hundreds of hours grinding to get it and then have it wiped for the next Alpha update. Spending $500 on one ship is out of my budget. I've currently spent $350 on the pledge store, another $80 in subscriber fees and maybe $30 buying aUEC on the grey market. This spending pattern makes sense for me and how I play and test the game. In 3.24 I tested dozens of ships using gray-market funding and I'm so glad I was able to spend a little time with ships and load outs that I was curious about without forking over hundreds of dollars to own those ships outright on the pledge store.
@@hornbenjamin I mean fair enough, it's your money, I was just curious, I would say 500.00 for a ship isn't necessary though, one of the best starters, the titan is like 60 I think and the nomad is 90, but again, I was just curious
If the game becomes more stable, losing equipment is more painful that the original pitch for death of a spaceman. That being said body beacons and such need to work well for that to be fair
Wipe only if really needed! Allow insuring of items for the appropriate payment - the rarer the item , the more you have to pay of course. Take away the fear of losing an item and therefore never using those items, perhaps utilizing a method of ensuring that only the original and 1 copy of the item to be in the game at any given time. [Keep the original safe and play with the copy; and copies cannot be copied].
"We can clone you when you die with magic space-tech to keep you going but uh.... you'll need to get a new gun, and a burrito Sir; thats out of our realm..."
@@TheHeliommm yeah, but they don't clone 2, 3 or more so you can sell yourself for real money, wozz13sg's suggestion makes sense, and I think it would be fair
Like some others have basically said, it's damn nice to actually be able to use my account-bound items. I'd rather them spend time fixing bugs than taking that away. I can say too that it's actually made me be willing to buy gear on the website, cause I know it's not just going to evaporate with a random bug till next major patch.
I think the weapon 'insurance' is fine. If CIG doesn't want it to cover things you can't purchase anywhere (like railguns, grenade launchers and missile launchers) then they need to code those items as "non-insurable". Obviously if I repair my ship and get a bunch of custodians back, no one's going to care. If someone is churning out dozens of railguns a day and selling them for profit, that will be an issue. Because honestly _for normal items_ how is it any different than paying for repairs that reloads all your missiles?
Lifetime Insurance model implied that my ship would be insured wherever I happened to be flying it, for life. The policy said nothing about surcharges if I decide to go to Pyro or Nyx...
@@scharrk LTI has undergone a number of iterations, much like many other promises that were originally made. It isn't nearly as good as it once was. I'm waiting to see what tier 2 and 3 premiums are like. If they succumb to the apparent greed they've been hinting at and the tier 2 and 3 premiums are just as expensive for LTI ships as for non-LTI, the whole point of LTI will have been bypassed. LTI loops were(are) kind of a gotcha game loop all their own, and many, many people will go nuclear.
@@TheBetterManInBlack I stopped caring about LTI a long long time ago. If this game ever will be finished, you are better of just making that money for unsurance ingame then spending it with real money. Like this i can buy and melt whatever ship i feel like to play.
Exploits that allow to rebuy lost weapons in ship racks are great. We often use exploits just to work around bugs (like the one you use to sell mined gems), but duping to make money to sell it on eBay should give serious bans imo
Its cost money, its not an exploit. It just upsets people that think they have rare items. It keeps the haves and the have not system. No one should have locked items behind paywalls
@@hollywoodguy70 You're being extremely disingenuous here and have a massive misunderstanding of the CIG funding model and the prices of weapons and equipment on the subscriber store. You should absolutely not have to rebuy account bound items to get more of them or go to bunkers and pray the RNG works in your favor to get a copy of them. If your business model requires real money purchases for replacement of items lost in gameplay your business model deserves to fail. Fortunately that's not the direction CIG is going.
@@XxTavoRxX I haven't tried seeing if the cargo grid also replicates, but the interior of Stor-All containers do not replicate. I also haven't tried the Mule/Lynx "armor insurance." As it stands, replicating heavy weapons you can find at bunkers absolutely happens. Anything that can be placed in the weapons racks is definitely replicated, which includes attachments. You already get showered in "rare" weapon attachments at bunker missions, though. You also end up with multiple heavy weapons, almost entirely railguns, from the bunkers. It seems to be the most common heavy weapon spawn and tends to spawn over sniper rifles and LMGs. Allowing replication of these weapons outside of bunkers means power gamers are farming these bunkers significantly less, letting other players actually get into them occasionally. TL;DR You buy copies of all items that fit in the weapon and container racks. Interior inventory of these items is not copied, but attachments are. You pay the full stated price of the item like you would a missile or replacement weapon (even if the stated price is 1aUEC, as with Subscriber and Concierge reward items).
@TheMufflinator I misunderstood your comment. Account bound items are yours forever, and they are only lootable until the next hotfix *looks at watch* in another week.
Well a positive takeaway from from this whole thing is at least now we know the tech to insure fps loadouts already exists in the current build. Now we just need them to propperly implement it as an in game system. I think it would be nice if they used the locker rooms already in game at the landing zones and soace stations for this purpose.
I think you should be able to insure what ever you want. They can take one of the kiosks in your hanger and make it an insurance kiosk to reclaim any item that you have insurance on.
CIG was talking about "spending sinks" for your earned aUEC, so instead of changing a feature of convenience, they should just add a luxury/exotic/alien/limited valued tax on these items. When the insurance of a rail gun is equal or more to the cost of a few Size 10 torpedoes, people will think twice about duplicating them (perhaps only do it out of absolute need or desperation). Item insurance feature, thumbs up, everyone's happy!
The amount of bugs since the release of 4.0 is crazy - the biggest one i've come across is the duplication of hauling contract cargo - it's a pain in the butt! NGL i also hate cheating, duplication, exploitation of bugs - the whole 9 yards. Hopefully CIG get a handle on everything and soon because I love SC.
I like weapon, loadout, utility items, and armour ‘insurance’, and think it should definitely be in game for ease of use/saving time. Especially while the game is incredibly buggy, and you can lose hours of time over and over through no fault of your own (faulty hangars, freezing server etc). It should definitely not cover contested zone keys, or other similar gameplay ‘gated’ items.
I will happily dupe stuff after the game took away half my inventory, including all my account-bound heavy armors and the best ship components as I tried to move them to a ship I actually use. Components I can no longer buy because CIG decided I need to be ready to kill players to get a chance of having them.
If CIG is not going to hand out any substantial repercussions for using exploits, then by all means SHARE them... Then they are no longer exploits but instead a widely used system mechanic
It’s taken me years to realize it’s always going to be like this. 4.0, 5.0, alpha, beta, launch version - this game is always going to be a buggy mess.
I am ok with how FPS gear replacement works now. If CIG wanted to limit duping, they could serialize gear. Still, if it can be purchased in game then it should be easy to replace.
Honestly, i wish the gun insurance on the weapon rack only replaced your weapons with the basic stock versions. As is, however... i used it to insure my executive gold pistol that i have otherwise never even equipped on my character for fear of losing it.
No Wipe. Find the Accounts that Exploit and BAN THEM. Best way to make the game secure for us good players who do not exploit, cheat, or break the rules. Keep the game clean by showing that you can clean it up.
the more exploits that can be found at this stage the less exploits for the 1.0 release, punishing people for exploits now is just crazy, after the release of 1.0 I agree to bans.
@@nathandingy you have too much faith in humanity, alot of people will try to gain advantages through multiple ways in the game no matter the stage in development, if broken mechanics arent discovered and rectified then they will be exploited, do you honestly think CIG could find and punish all perpetrators? and even take harsh punishment on people who have paid large amounts of money towards the game and plead ignorance as assuming the game was working as intended, the more people actively looking for and using exploits the more likely CIG can find them and make necessary improvement towards the 1.0 release, even after release exploits will exist and will be used, can CIG really control it or punish people involved? I dont know, but the more this stuff is highlighted now the better. In my opinion ofc.
@@nathandingy does it matter? the game is still in alpha. exploits will be found and they should be abused so CIG has the motivation to fix them. There will be wipes in the future so genuinely don't see what the issue is
I do agree that deliberate and repetative explotation should be punished in some form, especially if its causing a huge impact on the game (RMC exploit). Exploits do need to be found and reported so that these holes can be patched in some in one way ot another. A way of reporting an exploit without making the details public could help the game, maybe something like making the subject of the exploit public and any contributions can submit steps, but none of the steps are public and neither is the name of the person who reported. You cant just blanket ban everyone who exploits as that could technically include everyone who has ever claimed a ship so they dont pay for repair/reload costs and I dont think the game is stable enough at the moment to enable the option to only have the missiles/torps/bombs available on the first retrieve of a ship. Have I exploited?... technically yes... to see if something is possible, then reported/contributed on the issue council, Should I be banned too? (and no, it didnt include anyone non concentual and it was for no huge personal gain)
There already is a 'hidden or sensitive mode for bug reporting'. When you raise an Issue Council report, select 'Exploit / Account Issue' when you are asked for the issue category. This makes the report invisible to everyone except yourself and CIG staff, and also skips the need for it to be 'Confirmed' by 10 other players, meaning it can be acted on immediately.
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when you uuse the weapon trick on the ships you pay AUEC for it its not free nor is it douuping or cheating since you have to pay for them
so that I understand, and this is a serious question because before this video I had not heard of this, if you pay for items through aUEC does it give you weapons you still have or ONLY replace items LOST?
The problem with the FPS weapon insurance "feature" is that even if the weapons are in the rack, they are still included in the base repair cost of the ship. This can make legit ship repairs quite expensive.
no if they are in the rack no cost are added. only after removing and only for the guns you removed. Its not even insurance its a Restock for ingame money.
@@BernhardMarchhart Ok, I'll try it again. But my last experience was my Cutlass repair cost was 37k even with the guns in the rack. I had to remove them, make an equip mod to get it back to reasonable level.
I don’t mind people farming credits but when people are willing to buy it from them, it leads to more farming and more buying. The cycle causes inflation in player-driven economies and that’s an issue.
This is not the first time that the "weapon insurance" exploit has been in the game. And the previous time, it also added to the cost of repair, and CIG took it out because it was not intended. So I'd say it's absolutely an exploit, not a feature. That said... If CIG would address the elephant in the room about Real World purchased gear recovery/soulbound/whatever it wouldn't be as much of an issue, people wouldn't be looking for ways to get around item loss. If this leads to a wipe, then it's a pain, but not an insurmountable obstacle, we've been wiped before, and if it takes millions out of the economy that shouldn't be there, then I'm for it.
Having all your stuff given back when you reclaim your ship (cost included) is an absolute golden bug, and needs to be implemented. Tired of spending 6 hours to prepare for a 10 minute mission.
I think the biggest thing about the rare item insurance is how recoverable it is. If the item is rare and not recoverable, give a close approximation since in real life you don't get everything back from insurance either
NOBODY IS DUPING TO MAKE MONEY The people who think Item insurance is an exploit, simply do not play the game. 1/8 SCU boxes are worthless. The inconvenience of claiming is the same as any other version of insurance fraud. ie. taking Weapons/Scrap from a claimed ship.
@@The5thHorseman555 You read about it, or you've seen this? You are theory crafting. Nobody is making money selling ingame items on eBay lmao Ingame chat doesnt even work right now. Maybe you think 4 guys trading in a discord is exploitative. Otherwise, this is not an issue. This is simply just early stages of how CIG will be doing weapon insurance and blueprints. We will eventually see items tracked via seal number.
@@GundamWheat Duping standard weapons isn't a problem, but duping rare items creates one. I think there is a reason not being able to buy railguns at stores. It limited the global amount and made the weapon special. Now I would guess we have more railguns than players. That doesn't mean everyone has one but people wouldnt mind selling you one ingame or another point would be the increased usage. So if that person gets killed, another person can get an infinate supply of railguns at least till the money ends.
@@GundamWheat I agree. But then again if I have one single piece of equipment I want, I never have to buy it again. It could basically be a job to hunt rare weapons and sell them. Actually do something instead of clicking the restock button.
I cannot fathom how a brain could allow itself to misappropriate the term duplicate in these examples. That's like saying you are duplicating missiles every time you restock your ship. in no way shape or form is this allowing players to get an unfair advantage. You are allowing them to pay money for items that they already have. The only difference is your saving time after your initial procurement and set up. Literally exactly like everything else about our ships.
Well missiles are basicaly ammo. And i agree on standard weapons. But not on rare weapons. Railguns should be rare and treated that way. I think it will hurt the gameplay if every second player runs around with an Railgun and doesn't have to care about losing it.
@@brexxes Railguns apparently cost 25,000 aUEC using this method. That's a significant cost compared to the other weapons available. It's almost like you're paying a rarity surcharge.
@@brexxes Isn't that the eventual goal? Except that they're talking about adding them to player shops? Think of it this way... You're paying a HUGE premium to get that rail rifle back. This reflects the insurance company's costs in having to purchase a replacement from some 3rd party who delved into a bunker somewhere and found a magic box where rail rifles (that can't be manufactured by people who use antigravity, can clone humans fully, including memories, rebuild spaceships from scratch, etc.) somehow manifest out of magic space dust, in order to place it in your inventory. See, in the end, it's always all about money. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to buy rare items from other players.
@@TheBetterManInBlack player shops would be a different story in my opinion. Players, if they will be able to craft it, still need time and effort to craft the gun for example thus limiting the amount available for purchase. If they are not able to craft them but sell the guns they fought for in bunkers or against players even better, this also takes risk into account and will increase the price also. It's the infinite amount available with no downtime or out of stock that doesn't make sense to me for powerful rare weapons.
I do not support the full wipe, stop saying this crap. Have CIG target the specific individuals who are hacking , cheating , and doing game braking exploits. The rest of the people who don't cheat shouldn't have to be punished for the vary rare people who are cheating. We want to keep our progress, a lot of us have made huge strides playing the game without the cheats or exploits. I fully support the idea of having coverage on all my ships items. What is the point of living in this world if you have to buy every thing all over again even after bugs , glitches , and server fails. I lose so much on the C2 because it glitches all the time when i'm running cargo. Being able to save my bought gear "with real money or in game credits" on ships is what this game needs right now. I say make it 50k to insure everything on your ship. Make it by what is saved and taken off live in game. meaning the moment i store it , its saved and insured. This would best for ASOP when you retrieve your ship it should have this as an option. Ships should be first homes next to homesteads when they are released. The heart ache and grief of losing cargo you spent 4 hours moving because ship disappears is the worst. it would be nice to have all of it saved the moment i have to claim it again. I'm already paying for it and save me the trip of having to run around for an hour just to get back to where i was. I dont think a timer on it would be good either, timers don't really help they just hurt the progress people are trying to make. Having to go to the website once a day to reset my weapons or gear is the absolute worst and hopefully this changes before the game goes live.
We'll all be wiped at 1.0 anyway... wait to get attached after release.... this is a testing bed atm. Stop. Seriously. Stop. Wipes are needed during this testing stage of the game. Use your brain. Getting attached to pixels, knowing a wipe for 1.0 is inevitable, is plain out low iq vibes. Really think before spewing word vomit.
I don't get this. You know you're just testing for development right. Wipes to fix and test updates is part of development. Why does everyone treat sc like a full release.
I just want CIG to get off their ass and make an official announcement regarding the "weapon insurance" it's been in the news from non-cig reps for 2 days.
An interesting situation occurred to me in combat. While doing some bounty contracts, one of the wings on my Gladius got blown off, taking the missiles with it. I then fired the remaining missiles to complete the contract. After completing a few more bounties I eventually got blown up. When I claimed my ship the unfired missiles showed back up but not the fired ones, after a restock fee all the missile slots were full. I think that's how this should all go down, preventing insurance fraud while allowing people to play the game with the gear they loot. I have come across a few invincible NPCs in ship to ship as well as FPS combat, it is rare but frustrating to lose gear when there's nothing you can do to complete a contract. I also think it would be incredibly funny for people to end up in Klesher due to insurance fraud.
One BIG issue is, that reporting issues, bugs, exploits and players is not acessible anywhere ingame or in the launcher... the reporting progress is a huge pain atm
I can confirm that the 60k fix worked for me. Was able to get in and play for a few hours after being locked out for a few weeks - everything worked fairly well, and even recovered from a server crash with little issue.
They could also add an armory loadout, which lists everything you have stored and can show a flag of an item if it's rare and won't be replenished with a restock. They could also add a simple quality tier system for items and only certain places can do certain tiers. I also liked the idea of different systems having differing cost of insurance.
How about, Everything store bought will be non-lootable and can get back for free after loss. And duplicated items by reclaimed ship, are also non-lootable non-shareable with other players. This prevents the game getting swamped by shared duplicated items.
i quite enjoy the item replacement thing, its really nice being able to push the repair button and knowing that my ship is ready to go with the gear i may or may not need while im out and about doing missions in the verse without having to faf around with the terrible inventory each time. TBH this needs to be a check box on the asop
So far, the biggest gripe I've seen is about rail rifles being duped/repurchased instead of being found in yet another endless bunker run. What was the metric I heard? 1 in 15 or so bunker runs? I don't remember whether those 15 counted the times you fell through the world inside the bunker or were killed by an immortal NPC or desynched and respawned 150 meters above the complex, or just CTDed and lost everything you'd stored in your ships over the previous bunker runs without having to dip back to your hanger and hope you made it all the way in and were able to store your loot between each and every mission. I'm not even concerned with the murder hoboes ganking you on your way out, as that's somewhat legit gameplay at least. IF we were only concerned about losing that rare item because of our own play, you'd be correct. But we're not playing THAT game yet. We're playing the one where you have to go through tedious and time consuming toil, where your most dangerous enemy is the game itself. Until they fix that, I'm good with duping rare items.
@@TheBetterManInBlack Is it ok with you that murder hoboes ganking you with signifiantly better weapon and amor that is duped? Do you think people will just replace things that they lost because of bugs? Some people will make limitless amount of superior weapon part, amor, and weapon with fraction of cost and will give it to friend and sell it to other people even with real cash. And those people will more likely be attacking and ganking other players because they have nothing to loose and nothing to do but copy items.
@@JohnBurr-h4h The eternal question. Do you deprive the lawful because of the actions of the unlawful? Humanity at large has been struggling with this question for millennia. I'm already having to deal with people who gleefully and knowingly ruin the enjoyment of the game for others because they've decided to invest real world currency in their Connies and Polarises and A2 Hercules murder busses. I'm already dealing with people who play the game like it's an overtime heavy job and have all of those armors anyway. Once we get player crafting and stores, I'll have to deal with gold farmers, loot farmers, and space whales whose most deadly in game weapon is a credit card. It's the nature of MMOs. Everything is eventually reduced to the lowest common denominator. If you honestly think the ability to increase the supply of railguns by paying exorbitant fees for them is more game breaking than all of that, I've got terrible news for you.
The solution is to have reclaim costs with “fps and other items” equal the repair cost of the ship + the buy or sell cost depending on item and the commodity value. ie get box of mineable gems back you’ll pay the sell cost making it not profitable to duplicate. Have railg in rack, get it back, but pay 20k+ or what is purchasable costs is. (I might add I don’t think it should be as hard as it is to get a railg or launcher as is in game currently)
There will always be cheaters and exploits. I just wish game studios would use info from player account stats to put them all together on their own isolated server.
I do agree that cheating/exploits can quickly ruin a game with a player economy. I remember the start of New World. The exploits that got some rich really fast cause raid inflation of prices which those of us that didn't exploit could not keep up with.
Being able to restore our characters belongings is something i really look forward to. I have lost more time and ingame currency than i want to think about while i was chasing down my already bugged away corpse or ship and having to buy everything all over again
Gotta say, so long as the game only works 10% of the time, I really wish they would 100% ignore “duping.” Once the game is really functional, then shift focus on reducing duping. Feels quite unreasonable for me to literally lose out on hundreds of thousands of credits and numerous HOURS of gameplay because of glitches … then CIG worries about me duping a weapon that I could have bought fairly 10x over if the game actually worked.
I think it's simple: only have the restock feature return base version items that can be bought in stores. If it needs to be found in loot, or acquired in some other specific way, it shouldn't be part of the restock pool.
Insurance wise, I think endgame ships such as the Bengals should not be insurable or at least have a very limited insurance so you might get only a third of the materials back for construction. Losing a Bengal should really hurt
What is the point of wiping, if the game just keeps adding new loops, or old ones, because CIG can't, or won't bother thinking forward before releasing anything? As a little Whale myself, I'll say it only punishes those players who enjoy earning stuff in game, always crippling them back to their starter pack. In my case, I can jump in a Prospector, Vanguard, Connie or a C2 stright after a wipe, but what about that guy with an Aurora MR? Is that a new way to encourage everyone to be as stupid as I have been? Still, I despise losing my subscription outfit because my stupid Starlancer elevator ate me alive, and having to wait for the next character reset for a new set. Are you suggesting that the the only workaround currently in existence for having my pledged items back (for aUEC!) should be removed?
Duping at this point should be encouraged at this particular instance and public demonstrations don't harm anyone currently due to alpha. As for the insurance stuff, it's not entirely duping as mentioned due to cost. If CIG don't want this type of behaviour to occur then build systems that don't allow it. It's their current design framework of insurance that allows for it. It previously allowed for it so if it happens again that's on CIG not on the players for using it.
Any duping that is intended or not should be “bound” to your account so the only damage your doing is to your own experience, these items shouldn’t be allowed to circulate into the economy.
As a returning player, I would like to see them focus on making the "older" ships more up to date! My poor Avenger doesn't even have storage anymore! 😭 I agree with your comments man, cheaters really have ruined a lot of the most recent games.
There's a lost and found desk in Teasa. Just make that work for FPS gear that is unclaimed. If it's claimed by another player they can determine how that works. But for unclaimed items, just make the lost and found desks work. Add a fee, a tax, whatever, but with all the bugs we should be able to get our unclaimed items back.
I think a more quiet avenue of reporting things like exploits is a good idea. The more widespread it gets, sure it gets attention but too many people can't help themselves and don't care what it does in the grand scheme of things.
The ability to get account-bound items back (insurance, crafting or some button) is what prevents me from using all the nice Luminalia items and purchasing small fps items or cool armor. Because I'd instantly loose them to the next bug eating my ship with all the stuff in it
It's bad enough loosing the stocked kitchen, gun-racks and important everyday items in lockers or store-all boxes in the ship when I log out and the landed ship in my hangar becomes "unknown".
Y'know, I think it'd be a good idea for CIG to track deaths under suspicious circumstances. People backpacking in unusual numbers in Habs may indicate stuck players for example.
Ran into my first cheater today. No idea how he exploded both my engines at the exact same time, on my starlancer instantly from 10km away, while running from me, and not shooting at me in a Zeus. Was surprised, not a big dealo, just a ship, I EVA'd safely because he was even further away before they turned around.
I think exploits should result in a long term “max security” prison sentence. Where you can’t play for like a month and you’re unable to escape this prison (some sort of soft ban) with an account reset.
I like the idea of stocking a ship with weapons/armor and then getting it back with a claim. It should be limited to items purchased in the PU at NPCs vendors.
Players could create a "Lost and Found" mission to get help recovering lost or stolen items. An incentive would be needed to encourage returning found items rather than hoarding them.
I would like to see CIG make a statement on this. Until they do, the way it is currently working seems more like a feature. If it were an actual dupe or a cheat, then I wouldn't be interested in doing it. When it comes down to it, they want money sinks and this is a great way to do it. Having insurance for FPS armor and weapons causes me to get out there and do more missions so that I have the money to buy the armor and weapons through repairing. It's a great way to ensure players get engaged and out there doing missions. If i have to claim the vehicle, I'm provided with a stock vehicle and I have to upgrade all my components again and I have to restock my FPS weapons and armor. If my ship weapons or components get damaged, I click repair and they are repaired. I use my missiles, I click repair and they are replaced. FPS weapons and armor should be the same. If everything were replaced when I claim my ship for insurance, that might be a different story. Of course no one wants a wipe, but the honest truth is that anything before 1.0, I'm okay with wiping if it means getting the game right.
I think that one of the keys to discouraging exploits is to introduce mechanisms that make said exploit redundant. For example, using ship repair to re-purchase FPS items stored in a ship's weapon racks loses at least some of its value as an exploit if you can easily re-claim account-bound FPS weapons and armour you have lost. Given the sheer number of bugs that can make it impossible to retrieve FPS gear from your corpse after respawning, I personally find that 'gear fear' really restricts my play. That's just me personally - I don't have a lot of time to play games, and I enjoy creating loadouts and equipping myself for specific mission types, so then losing items I can't easily replace at the local Cubby Blast is a pain. Having a simple way to reclaim said items is long overdue in my opinion.
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Irony, exactly when you were talking about hating gold farmers an Ad popped up for Star Citizen selling auec.
You sound insane insurance is not an exploit they talked about insuring your ships with everything on now the other creators will say you are attacking them because you forgot that insurance exists stop that stop being a busy body you gonna tell CIG to take down channels are you insane? That's one of the cardinal sins of youtube you never do that what are you on? Stop listening to salty busy bodies in your ear and go off what you do what you know if you had done that you would know ship insurance was always intended.
@@sketchtherapy1218 wow, speaking of salty. I never heard him say insurance wasnt intended, he asked a number of questions in relation to what degree insurance should affect us and whether for instance it should be more in high risk areas like Pyro. What are you on about? he never said to remove channels, he said if people are exploiting and cheating they should lose access, obviously you support the cheaters if you are opposed to that. Cheating ruins ALL games that dont stamp it out, period.
sketchtherapy1218 - i'm sorry but I have to disagree with you a little bit because I think you're misinterpreting what the insurance is in the game for your ships.
As CIG has mentioned about the insurance and game is only intended to replace your ship in the event it gets destroyed. The insurance will only cover the hull of the ship meaning the standard version of it. At some point during the development people add additional Insurance as an add on to your existing insurance for upgrades that you put on your ship. They also brought up stern warning to any player caught using the insurance to exploit it, like for instance, selling your ship to a friend in game and then reporting it as stolen in order to get the ship back again. That is an exploit and not a feature and if that happens that player can get permanently banned from the game and lose their account as well as all money spent on the game.
Furthermore, why you stating this busybody mentality almost incriminate you as being one of those people who would exploit the game and never report an exploit. Because if you read the term of service agreement you will find that exploding is not allowed in the game and it's caught doing it you can be banned from the game permanently. Exploding is something that destroys every single game out there because certain players feel it's either funny, or a way of cheating the game and others just suit their own benefits and that is something I DO NOT condone in any player getting caught doing it should be permanently banned from the game.
In fact, I encourage players to report anyone that you feel is exploding and let the developer CIG sort it out since that is their job and not the player.
In addition, any player who does know of another player exploding should never ever report that on the forms because that is not what the forms are intended to be.
@@XxTavoRxX what are you talking about? did you read what I said? you seem confused. I'm not attacking him I'm his mod, if you don't believe me drop by a live show and you will see. As for you opinion it's meaningless to me and it will not change mine.
They need to allow stocking our ships with weapons, armor, food, and drink and just charge us when we land and click restock. Game is so tedious everytime i die to constantly get all of those things just to hit an invisable asteroid 5 min later.
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The tedium and need to repeat certain simple loops again and again due to bugs is what keeps me from sinking serious time into SC these days
This is the answer, there's no reason to take the time to stock your ship up if you lose everything.
@@EndGame8968 agreed. I have never actually tried it. Me personally I just mean the elevators, trains, etc. Looking forward to spawning in hangers again
100% on this needing to be (remain) a standard feature. Also totally fine with a "restocking" fee over and above the price of the original items for this convenience. For account bound items, the original price may be free, but you still get dinged with restock fee.
Duping issues are just a defect/limitation of CIGs inventory systems and need to get fixed like any other bug.
Since "Unique Item Recovery" was a feature that should have been in 3.15, at the latest, this isn't an exploit, it's a workaround.
Upvoting this hardly. It also is a bluepring of the blueprint system. If you find a rare item, you can use it as a "blueprint", and by paying you can clone it.
As someone who paid real world money for a FPS weapon (a P8AR) and was too terrified to actually use it, only to lose it to a bug or murder hobo... I LOVE the insurance feature. It makes the gun I paid for usable.
Me too, it's been an absolute pleasure to be able to use some of my rarer weapons which haven't seen the light outside my locker for a long time.
I know they said that if you paid real world money for items that you'll be able to reclaim them eventually. They are not sure how they want to do it yet. Its also not a high priority at this time. It needs to be in for 1.0 though. Unless all that has changed in the last couple of years of course.
Are you mad? This is clearly an exploit not a feature. The idea of insurance is to replace what you lost, NOT duplicate what you have. CIG ha stated item insurance is coming later - this is NOT it.
@@JollygreenFullSteamthen don’t make items you paid money for permanently lost until an insurance feature comes out. Imagine if the same happened to your ships you paid hundreds of dollars for.
@@JollygreenFullSteamexcept you do have to pay for the duplicates, It’s not like they’re free. So I suppose it’s more an unofficial ‘workaround’ than an exploit so long as you’re just replacing lost items. Given that you can lose gear through game bugs I think it’s reasonable. However, if you’re duping to somehow make money then yes, I agree it’s an exploit
I have a favorite helmet that’s only available in the pledge store, and being able to reclaim it is such a relief. I no longer have to melt the item and repurchase it every time. The same logic applies to weapons-if I can buy them in the pledge store with real money, there’s no real difference between that and replacing them with aUEC in-game. Spending aUEC feels like the better option to me.
Can you put it in the ship inventory and do the same thing as the weapons? And it'll show again in ship inventory?
@@briandonovan2976 There are very certain instances (only one that I know of, actually) that'll allow you to repurchase armor, and even then, it doesn't work on backpacks. Gun racks aren't even a sure thing. As far as I've seen, nothing else can be "insured". The supervisor's cards and stuff that have been mentioned in the doom threads don't seem to be replaceable.
How to you recover/ dupe these items?
@ChanTheman-fe3wf There's a video on youtube explaining how it works. Use the search term insurance rather than dupe and you'll find it.
The insurance actually encourages player trading. Most folks don't ever use rare armor if they can't get it back. Now there is a renewed interest in rare weapons and armor. It's not game breaking at all.
@@mmanches26 yup gear fear can be a thing of the past
Part of the fun is the fear of losing it. tbf to CIG they are addressing this by resetting the gear when an failure happens. I had my gear given back many times.
Also, I find if you "own" a specific gear set. You tend to find more pieces of it in the verse.
So, if you do die and the gear is gone, you will find it back if you vary your gameplay.
CIG as shown it can stop other players from using bought gear from other players in the past. To halt redistributing then. Also seen lots of looted bought gear disappear or turn to standard in my inventory.
If you get looted and the finder wears your gear, fine. If he/she just stores, dumps or dies, then the option should come back to the original owner by being added to the loot table. In boxes or on npc's.
Players would trade for the first week until they had all the sets they need.
Then trade would stop because it would all keep coming back on insurance.
@@errgoth Maybe for you and a rare few enjoy the thought of losing the gear that you spend days weeks acquiring to your first untimely death sounds fun. Most of us don't where our rare stuff until right before a wipe. For all the dumb ways you can die in the verse, why bother? I want to play the game not perpetually farm my armor over and over and over again. Likely this is a test of a future feature for insurance. I doubt it will stay in the live build for long. However you should expect features like this to be in the game eventually. They told us they would be when they discussed insurance.
@@ibtzkhaan3434 It might slow down but not stop.
step one: fix bugs, step two: other stuff
I thought step two was Steal Underware?
they have been doing this for more than a decade now but there are still bugs still present from a decade ago (elevators number one) and more than once have they tried to really focus on bugs but it delayed patch release and doesnt really make sense since every patch new bugs or older bugs resurface anyway so here we are now. they only fix things when absolutely needed or when it becomes popular/infamous enough. The report council has been there forever and they are still chasing similar bugs from ages ago.
In his "letter of the chairman", CR said in 2025 they will focus on "quality of life". I hope so
that's not how game dev works
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Restock equipment should be a 5th option on the mobiglas Landing menu. It should allow restocking from own warehouse(free) or station(paid) if items are available for sale at the given location. It should work for all compartments, not only weapon racks. Ship stock items should be managed from the ship engineering terminal.
I think restocking needs to just happen. Introducing location restrictions is going to create unnecessary chaos. If you can reclaim an entirely new polaris in the middle of pyro, then they definitely can source items from other locations.
I'm also totally fine with loading the ship manually the first time or when changing out items. So not certain there's a compelling reason or use case for a UI here. Maybe add reclaiming assets from the asset viewer to restock a specific item back to your home base that's been left in some random space station...for a fee.
Great idea.
It's a lazy idea. The whole point should be the that losing gear is a problem and a hasle. That makes you take care of it more. Not talking about system failures. That should, and does mostly, reset your gear to your inventory.
@@errgoth losing gear and deco that you spent literally hours stocking and customizing your ship layout because someone snipes you randomly while your mining, salvaging, etc. is not fun and is destroying my game play. While people that are doing constant PvP are likely just jumping in an empty ship and blasting away with minimal consequences. My style of game play (environmental RP) shouldn't be punished because of random violence. It's not a fair exchange of risk and I shouldn't be forced to live in fear because I want to customize my ships.
That would be awesome
Streamling getting back/replenishing weapons, food, drinks, etc will make getting back out on missions so much better/smoother
I know people who have bought AUEC online and I don't hate them for it. Make 2 million in game, put 2 million in cargo to flip for profit, game crashes or breaks, and you now have no cargo and no money after 20 hours of grinding. If the game loops were more polished, I think you'd have less gold buyers. I don't think it makes sense for CIG to punish those players for buying AUEC. I've spawned in with 20k, spent 90% of it on guns, ammo, armor, and supplies. Hopped in to do my first mission of the patch and quantum travel shot me into a planet and I lost everything before I could even do the mission. They just get mad because you don't spend 20 bucks for a measly 20k UEC on their site.
If you put all your money into cargo and loose it you deserve it. This is just playing the game badly. Buying credits should be an instant account delete.
"you deserve the game breaking bug because they played it wrong".
Peak representation of your average SC player lol
@@stratvids
CIG makes AUEC for free and sell it at a punishing rate. Then have the audacity to be upset when someone uses their code to work in a game then sell that work at a competitive rate in a system called capitalism. Maybe the answer isn't ban healthy competition but take a more objective look at the value of auec and compete in an open market.
better off buying ships if you're gonna spend real money, at least they persist through wipes. Why spend real money on AUEC when it just vanishes? You can melt your purchased ships for store credit and basically try whatever ships you like from the pledge store, and you can do that as many times as you want.
@@stratvidsyeah ok you no life CIG simp you deserve the bugs you get. I’ll save lots of time buying AEUC at $.99 for 100k while you sit there for hours making that poor boy.
This is on CIG to fix, no one should ever be banned unless they are intentionally damaging the gameplay of people, the development process, or the server environments.
Previously you got the weapons back with the ship insurance. That was a duplication bug.
Now you get the ship back clean, nothing in it, but if you repair the ship you have to pay full price for the weapons. This is NOT a duplication bug if you ask me, but a feature.
However, what I couild change with it is that you can only rebuy weapons that are available in the station you are currently at. So for instance, if you have a P4 and a Railgun, then if you "repair" you only get the P4, but not the railgun.
Agreed, unique or rare weapons should be treated for what they are.
The weapon thing is a feature and I think that's completely fine. You pay for the weapons and they're not cheap (I remember another youtuber testing it and having to pay 200k for a full rack of guns to be replaced). It's just a massive time saver if you wanna equip your polaris with weapons, save it and not having to do it each time you run into a glitch or it gets destroyed or lost. Gold sellers are always annoying but kinda unavoidable. The good thing I see is that you still have an economy within star citizen, so hauling from one base to another will not be affected by it, neither will commodity prices for items that are needed for base building or ship building later (since those are still limited and have to be actually farmed). As far as exploits go, they need to be fixed. It's an alpha so we need to talk about which exploits are possible and not keep them secret in order for CIG to be able to fix them before 1.0.
Gold selling can be fixed by only being able to transfer less than 250 000 EUC at a time then u have to wait 24h. I will totally cripple the gold farmers supply chain and distrubtion network.
The thing is the weapons and gear needs to either be sold at the station / LZ or you have it in your loval warehouse. Limited and rare items shouldnt be magically spawned.
@@PepicWalrus Stocking items in your warehouse would actually be a great idea! And maybe an automatic restock for available weapons with a fee
It is not a feature. No matter how you justify it
I think duping and stuff like that will become less common when manufacturing comes in. Many people I've known who duped items didn't do it for money, but so they could outfit themselves properly. Had the option to pay for the item in game been available they would have gone that route.
Yeah they really need to rethink their _sim vs. playability_ balance. I have a real job that I go to all day, I want to play a game in my down-time (crazy idea?). Case in point: current MM implementation, they took the fun out of the main selling point of this game for me - flying the ships. Saving up AUEC to buy new ships was basically my loop. Currently the impetus to do anything for in-game currency just isn't there, why save up for ships with the tediousness that is MM?
Nah I think with craftables duping will be far more common
@@Fatalatom935 crafting is not duping.
@@CosmicTurtle13 your not understanding what I’m saying, when crafting comes into the game it will most likely be broken and there will most likely be bugs that cause items to duplicate while most will be obvious and found and patched there will also be some that are gatekept once they are found and people will sell duped items for real money in mass amounts it happens in almost every game like this just look at arks official servers duplicated items and blueprints are being sold for cash sure there’s ways to stop this like item ids for each craft but there’s also work arounds to get past item id detection
it is so easy to buy non rare equipment or go to a bunker and just pick it up, how is it that they cant outfit themselves. Please explain
I do not take weapon current "insurance" as duping...as you have no chance to recover even pledged weapons/armor...which is critical when you pay for them.
Melt and rebuy
Hmm they need insurance for the concierge gear as well I always lose that stuff!
@@SandChimeraLog out then hopefully you can log back in.
@@SandChimera That's not a feature, it's a workaround.
@@SandChimera Doesn't work with all pledges.
I lost a 8scu box of gear and weapons that I was transferring from station to planet due to the game bugging out/running very poorly. Until the game is truly stable I would never use a rare item i found... and whats the point of even having it then. The weapon insurance (which feels like a feature not an exploit to me) to actually use a weapon or armor. Plus, without the insurance weapon racks are useless, Worse, they are a liability.
i never use my rare items ever, they sit in storage and I use base weapons which work just fine. I like the idea of insuring but if you are putting your gear in storage locker and claiming that means they are not using it in the first place or it would be on them not in the locker
Banning accounts in an ALPHA game is just weird (especially when they rely on crowd funding) and shouldn't be on the table -- yet. Fix the issues and wipe if necessary, as usual.
930 years in the future and not been able to insure equipment or have the infrastructure there to support this is incredibly dumb.
Equipment insurance should very much be a thing given it's an imperial capitalist setting too, so CIG do need to look into it.
@@RUFFnSORE And yet, here you are.
@@TheBetterManInBlack 🤣
@@RUFFnSORE Low effort attempt. Not even accurate. Read through even just this comments section and you'll see a number of places where I point out where CIG has screwed up, or mentioned game breaking bugs. Along with the good things that have come about. It's called a balanced view. You should maybe read up on it. We used to have them back when clinical thought was all the rage.
But, then, I'm not the one who's talking about how over with the game I am and still commenting on videos about it. The games I'm over, I don't watch or comment on videos of. Because I'm over them, see? See how that works?
I like the option to be able to insure my gear, even if it costs more money. Since discovering I can insure my gear I have been going out and using the gear that since then has just sat there in my hangar , so until they make a viable way to do so , I don't mind it.
where are you guys seeing the ability to insure gear, I have never seen that option?
@@XxTavoRxXit’s not an option. It’s “insurance”. Store your guns in the weapon rack on you ship, change a component, save, recall your ship after and when you repair it, the weapons get replaced. For money.
@@SaalikJaegerah, so it is a dupe
@@XxTavoRxX yes. Also, it charges 16k for an S71 and an AO3
@@SaalikJaeger well I guess if they have tons of money, but I can see why CiG would consider it duping and not legit. in real life if you used insurance to pay for something that wasn't really lost it would be fraud. Just saying that for those who think insurance is meant to pay for everything, they clearly have not dealt with insurance companies in real life 😜
I'd rather not have them limit insurance on real money bought ships.
I havent used the insurance method to purchase gear yet, only because there have been too many server errors to login and have fun.
If insurance purchases are considered 'exploits', then a full wipe needs to occur with 4.1
Too many players have been unable to play anyways, so the economy is already totally lopsided due to all these issues.
Just do a full wipe. Easy.
Gold sellers are one of the things keeping the game going. Because so much of it is a boring grind. The garbage rollout and frequent wipes make doing that grind less desirable than elite dangerous.
Cry more
Frequent wipes?? You mean the last one from 2 years ago? Or the one thst hasn't happened yet? Omfg people are ridiculous
why pay for money that will disappear? if you are spending real money, buy a ship you will always have. then you don't need to grind to buy a ship, you have one.
@@XxTavoRxX Because for $17 (less than the cost of a few pints at the bar) I can gain $100 Million aUEC and purchase and test any ship, component, armor, weapon or ship build that I want with no grind. I'm happy to purchase the power to test the game without the hundreds of hours grinding to get it and then have it wiped for the next Alpha update. Spending $500 on one ship is out of my budget. I've currently spent $350 on the pledge store, another $80 in subscriber fees and maybe $30 buying aUEC on the grey market. This spending pattern makes sense for me and how I play and test the game. In 3.24 I tested dozens of ships using gray-market funding and I'm so glad I was able to spend a little time with ships and load outs that I was curious about without forking over hundreds of dollars to own those ships outright on the pledge store.
@@hornbenjamin I mean fair enough, it's your money, I was just curious, I would say 500.00 for a ship isn't necessary though, one of the best starters, the titan is like 60 I think and the nomad is 90, but again, I was just curious
If the game becomes more stable, losing equipment is more painful that the original pitch for death of a spaceman. That being said body beacons and such need to work well for that to be fair
Wipe only if really needed! Allow insuring of items for the appropriate payment - the rarer the item , the more you have to pay of course. Take away the fear of losing an item and therefore never using those items, perhaps utilizing a method of ensuring that only the original and 1 copy of the item to be in the game at any given time. [Keep the original safe and play with the copy; and copies cannot be copied].
"We can clone you when you die with magic space-tech to keep you going but uh.... you'll need to get a new gun, and a burrito Sir; thats out of our realm..."
@@TheHeliommm yeah, but they don't clone 2, 3 or more so you can sell yourself for real money, wozz13sg's suggestion makes sense, and I think it would be fair
Like some others have basically said, it's damn nice to actually be able to use my account-bound items. I'd rather them spend time fixing bugs than taking that away. I can say too that it's actually made me be willing to buy gear on the website, cause I know it's not just going to evaporate with a random bug till next major patch.
I think the weapon 'insurance' is fine. If CIG doesn't want it to cover things you can't purchase anywhere (like railguns, grenade launchers and missile launchers) then they need to code those items as "non-insurable". Obviously if I repair my ship and get a bunch of custodians back, no one's going to care. If someone is churning out dozens of railguns a day and selling them for profit, that will be an issue.
Because honestly _for normal items_ how is it any different than paying for repairs that reloads all your missiles?
Lifetime Insurance model implied that my ship would be insured wherever I happened to be flying it, for life. The policy said nothing about surcharges if I decide to go to Pyro or Nyx...
LTI is overrated bs.
@@scharrk LTI has undergone a number of iterations, much like many other promises that were originally made. It isn't nearly as good as it once was. I'm waiting to see what tier 2 and 3 premiums are like. If they succumb to the apparent greed they've been hinting at and the tier 2 and 3 premiums are just as expensive for LTI ships as for non-LTI, the whole point of LTI will have been bypassed. LTI loops were(are) kind of a gotcha game loop all their own, and many, many people will go nuclear.
@@TheBetterManInBlack I stopped caring about LTI a long long time ago.
If this game ever will be finished, you are better of just making that money for unsurance ingame then spending it with real money.
Like this i can buy and melt whatever ship i feel like to play.
Exploits that allow to rebuy lost weapons in ship racks are great. We often use exploits just to work around bugs (like the one you use to sell mined gems), but duping to make money to sell it on eBay should give serious bans imo
Its cost money, its not an exploit. It just upsets people that think they have rare items. It keeps the haves and the have not system. No one should have locked items behind paywalls
Pledge items keep the lights on at the 4 studios and pay 2500 people. Are you sure this is the hill you want to die on?
@@hollywoodguy70 You're being extremely disingenuous here and have a massive misunderstanding of the CIG funding model and the prices of weapons and equipment on the subscriber store. You should absolutely not have to rebuy account bound items to get more of them or go to bunkers and pray the RNG works in your favor to get a copy of them. If your business model requires real money purchases for replacement of items lost in gameplay your business model deserves to fail. Fortunately that's not the direction CIG is going.
@@TheMufflinator does the insurance only work on paid items? or does it include rare items you find? I agree all PAID items should be insurable
@@XxTavoRxX I haven't tried seeing if the cargo grid also replicates, but the interior of Stor-All containers do not replicate. I also haven't tried the Mule/Lynx "armor insurance." As it stands, replicating heavy weapons you can find at bunkers absolutely happens. Anything that can be placed in the weapons racks is definitely replicated, which includes attachments. You already get showered in "rare" weapon attachments at bunker missions, though. You also end up with multiple heavy weapons, almost entirely railguns, from the bunkers. It seems to be the most common heavy weapon spawn and tends to spawn over sniper rifles and LMGs. Allowing replication of these weapons outside of bunkers means power gamers are farming these bunkers significantly less, letting other players actually get into them occasionally.
TL;DR You buy copies of all items that fit in the weapon and container racks. Interior inventory of these items is not copied, but attachments are. You pay the full stated price of the item like you would a missile or replacement weapon (even if the stated price is 1aUEC, as with Subscriber and Concierge reward items).
@TheMufflinator I misunderstood your comment. Account bound items are yours forever, and they are only lootable until the next hotfix *looks at watch* in another week.
Well a positive takeaway from from this whole thing is at least now we know the tech to insure fps loadouts already exists in the current build. Now we just need them to propperly implement it as an in game system. I think it would be nice if they used the locker rooms already in game at the landing zones and soace stations for this purpose.
Exploits cannot be considered as something bad in a game that DOESNT work.
I wish at least I could insure the weapons and stuff I have through the RSI store
this exactly, if purchased through RSI, full insurance
Hope the game will be as pure as possible...no cheats,no dups and no exploits!
I think you should be able to insure what ever you want. They can take one of the kiosks in your hanger and make it an insurance kiosk to reclaim any item that you have insurance on.
CIG was talking about "spending sinks" for your earned aUEC, so instead of changing a feature of convenience, they should just add a luxury/exotic/alien/limited valued tax on these items. When the insurance of a rail gun is equal or more to the cost of a few Size 10 torpedoes, people will think twice about duplicating them (perhaps only do it out of absolute need or desperation). Item insurance feature, thumbs up, everyone's happy!
The amount of bugs since the release of 4.0 is crazy - the biggest one i've come across is the duplication of hauling contract cargo - it's a pain in the butt! NGL i also hate cheating, duplication, exploitation of bugs - the whole 9 yards. Hopefully CIG get a handle on everything and soon because I love SC.
The duping of contract cargo was in 3.24.3 as well. I've got, like 15 SCU of quartz in my 3.24.3 hangar.
I like weapon, loadout, utility items, and armour ‘insurance’, and think it should definitely be in game for ease of use/saving time. Especially while the game is incredibly buggy, and you can lose hours of time over and over through no fault of your own (faulty hangars, freezing server etc).
It should definitely not cover contested zone keys, or other similar gameplay ‘gated’ items.
I will happily dupe stuff after the game took away half my inventory, including all my account-bound heavy armors and the best ship components as I tried to move them to a ship I actually use. Components I can no longer buy because CIG decided I need to be ready to kill players to get a chance of having them.
If CIG is not going to hand out any substantial repercussions for using exploits, then by all means SHARE them... Then they are no longer exploits but instead a widely used system mechanic
It’s taken me years to realize it’s always going to be like this. 4.0, 5.0, alpha, beta, launch version - this game is always going to be a buggy mess.
You look like how this comment sounds...
I am ok with how FPS gear replacement works now. If CIG wanted to limit duping, they could serialize gear. Still, if it can be purchased in game then it should be easy to replace.
Insurance for everything at a cost.
Honestly, i wish the gun insurance on the weapon rack only replaced your weapons with the basic stock versions.
As is, however... i used it to insure my executive gold pistol that i have otherwise never even equipped on my character for fear of losing it.
No Wipe. Find the Accounts that Exploit and BAN THEM. Best way to make the game secure for us good players who do not exploit, cheat, or break the rules.
Keep the game clean by showing that you can clean it up.
the more exploits that can be found at this stage the less exploits for the 1.0 release, punishing people for exploits now is just crazy, after the release of 1.0 I agree to bans.
@@icemanA84 big difference from using an exploit and then reporting it vs abusing the shit out of it
@@nathandingy you have too much faith in humanity, alot of people will try to gain advantages through multiple ways in the game no matter the stage in development, if broken mechanics arent discovered and rectified then they will be exploited, do you honestly think CIG could find and punish all perpetrators? and even take harsh punishment on people who have paid large amounts of money towards the game and plead ignorance as assuming the game was working as intended, the more people actively looking for and using exploits the more likely CIG can find them and make necessary improvement towards the 1.0 release, even after release exploits will exist and will be used, can CIG really control it or punish people involved? I dont know, but the more this stuff is highlighted now the better. In my opinion ofc.
@@nathandingy does it matter? the game is still in alpha. exploits will be found and they should be abused so CIG has the motivation to fix them. There will be wipes in the future so genuinely don't see what the issue is
I do agree that deliberate and repetative explotation should be punished in some form, especially if its causing a huge impact on the game (RMC exploit). Exploits do need to be found and reported so that these holes can be patched in some in one way ot another. A way of reporting an exploit without making the details public could help the game, maybe something like making the subject of the exploit public and any contributions can submit steps, but none of the steps are public and neither is the name of the person who reported.
You cant just blanket ban everyone who exploits as that could technically include everyone who has ever claimed a ship so they dont pay for repair/reload costs and I dont think the game is stable enough at the moment to enable the option to only have the missiles/torps/bombs available on the first retrieve of a ship.
Have I exploited?... technically yes... to see if something is possible, then reported/contributed on the issue council, Should I be banned too? (and no, it didnt include anyone non concentual and it was for no huge personal gain)
There already is a 'hidden or sensitive mode for bug reporting'. When you raise an Issue Council report, select 'Exploit / Account Issue' when you are asked for the issue category. This makes the report invisible to everyone except yourself and CIG staff, and also skips the need for it to be 'Confirmed' by 10 other players, meaning it can be acted on immediately.
when you uuse the weapon trick on the ships you pay AUEC for it its not free nor is it douuping or cheating since you have to pay for them
so that I understand, and this is a serious question because before this video I had not heard of this, if you pay for items through aUEC does it give you weapons you still have or ONLY replace items LOST?
The problem with the FPS weapon insurance "feature" is that even if the weapons are in the rack, they are still included in the base repair cost of the ship. This can make legit ship repairs quite expensive.
no if they are in the rack no cost are added. only after removing and only for the guns you removed.
Its not even insurance its a Restock for ingame money.
@@BernhardMarchhart Ok, I'll try it again. But my last experience was my Cutlass repair cost was 37k even with the guns in the rack. I had to remove them, make an equip mod to get it back to reasonable level.
I'll have to be able to get out of my hanger before I care about exploits..
I don’t mind people farming credits but when people are willing to buy it from them, it leads to more farming and more buying. The cycle causes inflation in player-driven economies and that’s an issue.
This is not the first time that the "weapon insurance" exploit has been in the game. And the previous time, it also added to the cost of repair, and CIG took it out because it was not intended. So I'd say it's absolutely an exploit, not a feature. That said... If CIG would address the elephant in the room about Real World purchased gear recovery/soulbound/whatever it wouldn't be as much of an issue, people wouldn't be looking for ways to get around item loss. If this leads to a wipe, then it's a pain, but not an insurmountable obstacle, we've been wiped before, and if it takes millions out of the economy that shouldn't be there, then I'm for it.
they took it out because it wasn't made for maze you are wrong.
Super happy for those who have had their borked accounts fixed.
With CIG back now, hopefully most of the major issues people are running into should start mostly clearing up over the coming days.
Too little too late. They could have done the rollout Jan 1st and not ruined an entire Christmas vacation worth of game time for all users.
@@benmiller200 Xmas of what year?
Having all your stuff given back when you reclaim your ship (cost included) is an absolute golden bug, and needs to be implemented.
Tired of spending 6 hours to prepare for a 10 minute mission.
Problem is you can dupe items that doesn't even exist in stores as well as key cards for Contested Zones. So it's not a feature.
You can't dupe key cards. Only things that go in weapon/armor slots OR attach to armor. Stuff in the pockets doesn't get duped
I think the biggest thing about the rare item insurance is how recoverable it is. If the item is rare and not recoverable, give a close approximation since in real life you don't get everything back from insurance either
Weapon insurance is good
NOBODY IS DUPING TO MAKE MONEY
The people who think Item insurance is an exploit, simply do not play the game.
1/8 SCU boxes are worthless. The inconvenience of claiming is the same as any other version of insurance fraud.
ie. taking Weapons/Scrap from a claimed ship.
People are duplicating rare weapons and armor and selling them ingame and/or on ebay. How is this not an exploit?
@@The5thHorseman555 You read about it, or you've seen this? You are theory crafting.
Nobody is making money selling ingame items on eBay lmao
Ingame chat doesnt even work right now. Maybe you think 4 guys trading in a discord is exploitative. Otherwise, this is not an issue.
This is simply just early stages of how CIG will be doing weapon insurance and blueprints. We will eventually see items tracked via seal number.
@@GundamWheat Duping standard weapons isn't a problem, but duping rare items creates one. I think there is a reason not being able to buy railguns at stores. It limited the global amount and made the weapon special. Now I would guess we have more railguns than players. That doesn't mean everyone has one but people wouldnt mind selling you one ingame or another point would be the increased usage. So if that person gets killed, another person can get an infinate supply of railguns at least till the money ends.
@ In game commerce between players is exactly what CIG wants.
@@GundamWheat I agree. But then again if I have one single piece of equipment I want, I never have to buy it again.
It could basically be a job to hunt rare weapons and sell them. Actually do something instead of clicking the restock button.
I cannot fathom how a brain could allow itself to misappropriate the term duplicate in these examples. That's like saying you are duplicating missiles every time you restock your ship. in no way shape or form is this allowing players to get an unfair advantage. You are allowing them to pay money for items that they already have. The only difference is your saving time after your initial procurement and set up. Literally exactly like everything else about our ships.
Well missiles are basicaly ammo. And i agree on standard weapons. But not on rare weapons. Railguns should be rare and treated that way. I think it will hurt the gameplay if every second player runs around with an Railgun and doesn't have to care about losing it.
@@brexxes Railguns apparently cost 25,000 aUEC using this method. That's a significant cost compared to the other weapons available. It's almost like you're paying a rarity surcharge.
@@TheBetterManInBlack some stuff can't be balanced only by price I'm afraid. Otherwise why not just add them to shop's?
@@brexxes Isn't that the eventual goal? Except that they're talking about adding them to player shops?
Think of it this way... You're paying a HUGE premium to get that rail rifle back. This reflects the insurance company's costs in having to purchase a replacement from some 3rd party who delved into a bunker somewhere and found a magic box where rail rifles (that can't be manufactured by people who use antigravity, can clone humans fully, including memories, rebuild spaceships from scratch, etc.) somehow manifest out of magic space dust, in order to place it in your inventory.
See, in the end, it's always all about money. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to buy rare items from other players.
@@TheBetterManInBlack player shops would be a different story in my opinion. Players, if they will be able to craft it, still need time and effort to craft the gun for example thus limiting the amount available for purchase. If they are not able to craft them but sell the guns they fought for in bunkers or against players even better, this also takes risk into account and will increase the price also.
It's the infinite amount available with no downtime or out of stock that doesn't make sense to me for powerful rare weapons.
I do not support the full wipe, stop saying this crap. Have CIG target the specific individuals who are hacking , cheating , and doing game braking exploits. The rest of the people who don't cheat shouldn't have to be punished for the vary rare people who are cheating. We want to keep our progress, a lot of us have made huge strides playing the game without the cheats or exploits. I fully support the idea of having coverage on all my ships items. What is the point of living in this world if you have to buy every thing all over again even after bugs , glitches , and server fails. I lose so much on the C2 because it glitches all the time when i'm running cargo. Being able to save my bought gear "with real money or in game credits" on ships is what this game needs right now. I say make it 50k to insure everything on your ship. Make it by what is saved and taken off live in game. meaning the moment i store it , its saved and insured. This would best for ASOP when you retrieve your ship it should have this as an option. Ships should be first homes next to homesteads when they are released. The heart ache and grief of losing cargo you spent 4 hours moving because ship disappears is the worst. it would be nice to have all of it saved the moment i have to claim it again. I'm already paying for it and save me the trip of having to run around for an hour just to get back to where i was. I dont think a timer on it would be good either, timers don't really help they just hurt the progress people are trying to make. Having to go to the website once a day to reset my weapons or gear is the absolute worst and hopefully this changes before the game goes live.
We'll all be wiped at 1.0 anyway... wait to get attached after release.... this is a testing bed atm. Stop. Seriously. Stop. Wipes are needed during this testing stage of the game. Use your brain. Getting attached to pixels, knowing a wipe for 1.0 is inevitable, is plain out low iq vibes. Really think before spewing word vomit.
I don't get this. You know you're just testing for development right. Wipes to fix and test updates is part of development. Why does everyone treat sc like a full release.
ban incoming
Regardless of what you support or what he says, the wipe is up to CIG. Your rant does nothing but waste your time typing it
Smells like a duper projecting
I feel the same about cheating. If you're using cheats or hacks, you should get a perma ban.
You know if they're going to ban people's accounts. They should return their money.
Don't cheat, won't get banned. Same as every other game in the last 40 years.
So the perp can buy a new account and recover all pledges and continue to exploit?
@@mikew9106 So just because they've been doing something for a long time.
Makes it Ok.!??
I just want CIG to get off their ass and make an official announcement regarding the "weapon insurance" it's been in the news from non-cig reps for 2 days.
You say they have put a patch in to sort out the 60k errors , just as I log into the game to a 60k lobby error lol
An interesting situation occurred to me in combat. While doing some bounty contracts, one of the wings on my Gladius got blown off, taking the missiles with it. I then fired the remaining missiles to complete the contract. After completing a few more bounties I eventually got blown up. When I claimed my ship the unfired missiles showed back up but not the fired ones, after a restock fee all the missile slots were full. I think that's how this should all go down, preventing insurance fraud while allowing people to play the game with the gear they loot. I have come across a few invincible NPCs in ship to ship as well as FPS combat, it is rare but frustrating to lose gear when there's nothing you can do to complete a contract. I also think it would be incredibly funny for people to end up in Klesher due to insurance fraud.
One BIG issue is, that reporting issues, bugs, exploits and players is not acessible anywhere ingame or in the launcher... the reporting progress is a huge pain atm
I can confirm that the 60k fix worked for me. Was able to get in and play for a few hours after being locked out for a few weeks - everything worked fairly well, and even recovered from a server crash with little issue.
They could also add an armory loadout, which lists everything you have stored and can show a flag of an item if it's rare and won't be replenished with a restock. They could also add a simple quality tier system for items and only certain places can do certain tiers.
I also liked the idea of different systems having differing cost of insurance.
How about, Everything store bought will be non-lootable and can get back for free after loss. And duplicated items by reclaimed ship, are also non-lootable non-shareable with other players.
This prevents the game getting swamped by shared duplicated items.
Cheating/exploits being made freely available is a good thing. It forces the DEV'S to address the issue whether in-game or with written rules.
i quite enjoy the item replacement thing, its really nice being able to push the repair button and knowing that my ship is ready to go with the gear i may or may not need while im out and about doing missions in the verse without having to faf around with the terrible inventory each time. TBH this needs to be a check box on the asop
No game should allows to duplicate a rare item which only can be optained through a quest or a boss kill or a compatition. Period!
So far, the biggest gripe I've seen is about rail rifles being duped/repurchased instead of being found in yet another endless bunker run. What was the metric I heard? 1 in 15 or so bunker runs? I don't remember whether those 15 counted the times you fell through the world inside the bunker or were killed by an immortal NPC or desynched and respawned 150 meters above the complex, or just CTDed and lost everything you'd stored in your ships over the previous bunker runs without having to dip back to your hanger and hope you made it all the way in and were able to store your loot between each and every mission. I'm not even concerned with the murder hoboes ganking you on your way out, as that's somewhat legit gameplay at least.
IF we were only concerned about losing that rare item because of our own play, you'd be correct. But we're not playing THAT game yet. We're playing the one where you have to go through tedious and time consuming toil, where your most dangerous enemy is the game itself. Until they fix that, I'm good with duping rare items.
@@TheBetterManInBlack Is it ok with you that murder hoboes ganking you with signifiantly better weapon and amor that is duped?
Do you think people will just replace things that they lost because of bugs?
Some people will make limitless amount of superior weapon part, amor, and weapon with fraction of cost and will give it to friend and sell it to other people even with real cash.
And those people will more likely be attacking and ganking other players because they have nothing to loose and nothing to do but copy items.
@@JohnBurr-h4h The eternal question. Do you deprive the lawful because of the actions of the unlawful? Humanity at large has been struggling with this question for millennia.
I'm already having to deal with people who gleefully and knowingly ruin the enjoyment of the game for others because they've decided to invest real world currency in their Connies and Polarises and A2 Hercules murder busses. I'm already dealing with people who play the game like it's an overtime heavy job and have all of those armors anyway.
Once we get player crafting and stores, I'll have to deal with gold farmers, loot farmers, and space whales whose most deadly in game weapon is a credit card. It's the nature of MMOs. Everything is eventually reduced to the lowest common denominator.
If you honestly think the ability to increase the supply of railguns by paying exorbitant fees for them is more game breaking than all of that, I've got terrible news for you.
So far 4.0 preview was pretty smooth. Only issues I've had was global chat not working, missions not working, and server errors
The solution is to have reclaim costs with “fps and other items” equal the repair cost of the ship + the buy or sell cost depending on item and the commodity value. ie get box of mineable gems back you’ll pay the sell cost making it not profitable to duplicate. Have railg in rack, get it back, but pay 20k+ or what is purchasable costs is. (I might add I don’t think it should be as hard as it is to get a railg or launcher as is in game currently)
I wonder how many testers realized the exploits were back but deliberately held that info back.
exploiting and cheating are both against star citizens TOS, the question now becomes why doesnt CIG do anything about it.
There will always be cheaters and exploits. I just wish game studios would use info from player account stats to put them all together on their own isolated server.
I do agree that cheating/exploits can quickly ruin a game with a player economy. I remember the start of New World. The exploits that got some rich really fast cause raid inflation of prices which those of us that didn't exploit could not keep up with.
Being able to restore our characters belongings is something i really look forward to. I have lost more time and ingame currency than i want to think about while i was chasing down my already bugged away corpse or ship and having to buy everything all over again
Gotta say, so long as the game only works 10% of the time, I really wish they would 100% ignore “duping.” Once the game is really functional, then shift focus on reducing duping.
Feels quite unreasonable for me to literally lose out on hundreds of thousands of credits and numerous HOURS of gameplay because of glitches … then CIG worries about me duping a weapon that I could have bought fairly 10x over if the game actually worked.
I think it's simple: only have the restock feature return base version items that can be bought in stores. If it needs to be found in loot, or acquired in some other specific way, it shouldn't be part of the restock pool.
Insurance wise, I think endgame ships such as the Bengals should not be insurable or at least have a very limited insurance so you might get only a third of the materials back for construction. Losing a Bengal should really hurt
What is the point of wiping, if the game just keeps adding new loops, or old ones, because CIG can't, or won't bother thinking forward before releasing anything?
As a little Whale myself, I'll say it only punishes those players who enjoy earning stuff in game, always crippling them back to their starter pack. In my case, I can jump in a Prospector, Vanguard, Connie or a C2 stright after a wipe, but what about that guy with an Aurora MR?
Is that a new way to encourage everyone to be as stupid as I have been?
Still, I despise losing my subscription outfit because my stupid Starlancer elevator ate me alive, and having to wait for the next character reset for a new set. Are you suggesting that the the only workaround currently in existence for having my pledged items back (for aUEC!) should be removed?
This is a testing environment. We must post exploits to get them fixed.
Duping at this point should be encouraged at this particular instance and public demonstrations don't harm anyone currently due to alpha. As for the insurance stuff, it's not entirely duping as mentioned due to cost. If CIG don't want this type of behaviour to occur then build systems that don't allow it. It's their current design framework of insurance that allows for it. It previously allowed for it so if it happens again that's on CIG not on the players for using it.
Any duping that is intended or not should be “bound” to your account so the only damage your doing is to your own experience, these items shouldn’t be allowed to circulate into the economy.
As a returning player, I would like to see them focus on making the "older" ships more up to date!
My poor Avenger doesn't even have storage anymore! 😭
I agree with your comments man, cheaters really have ruined a lot of the most recent games.
There's a lost and found desk in Teasa. Just make that work for FPS gear that is unclaimed. If it's claimed by another player they can determine how that works. But for unclaimed items, just make the lost and found desks work. Add a fee, a tax, whatever, but with all the bugs we should be able to get our unclaimed items back.
Thanks for the info! Happy New Year!
I think a more quiet avenue of reporting things like exploits is a good idea. The more widespread it gets, sure it gets attention but too many people can't help themselves and don't care what it does in the grand scheme of things.
I like the idea that all Can be insured, but also prices Can be different pending on the risk
The ability to get account-bound items back (insurance, crafting or some button) is what prevents me from using all the nice Luminalia items and purchasing small fps items or cool armor.
Because I'd instantly loose them to the next bug eating my ship with all the stuff in it
It's bad enough loosing the stocked kitchen, gun-racks and important everyday items in lockers or store-all boxes in the ship when I log out and the landed ship in my hangar becomes "unknown".
Y'know, I think it'd be a good idea for CIG to track deaths under suspicious circumstances. People backpacking in unusual numbers in Habs may indicate stuck players for example.
Ran into my first cheater today. No idea how he exploded both my engines at the exact same time, on my starlancer instantly from 10km away, while running from me, and not shooting at me in a Zeus. Was surprised, not a big dealo, just a ship, I EVA'd safely because he was even further away before they turned around.
Cheating is utterly despicable in any multiplayer game, and should be punished severely.
I think exploits should result in a long term “max security” prison sentence. Where you can’t play for like a month and you’re unable to escape this prison (some sort of soft ban) with an account reset.
I like the idea of stocking a ship with weapons/armor and then getting it back with a claim. It should be limited to items purchased in the PU at NPCs vendors.
Players could create a "Lost and Found" mission to get help recovering lost or stolen items. An incentive would be needed to encourage returning found items rather than hoarding them.
I would like to see CIG make a statement on this. Until they do, the way it is currently working seems more like a feature. If it were an actual dupe or a cheat, then I wouldn't be interested in doing it. When it comes down to it, they want money sinks and this is a great way to do it. Having insurance for FPS armor and weapons causes me to get out there and do more missions so that I have the money to buy the armor and weapons through repairing. It's a great way to ensure players get engaged and out there doing missions. If i have to claim the vehicle, I'm provided with a stock vehicle and I have to upgrade all my components again and I have to restock my FPS weapons and armor. If my ship weapons or components get damaged, I click repair and they are repaired. I use my missiles, I click repair and they are replaced. FPS weapons and armor should be the same. If everything were replaced when I claim my ship for insurance, that might be a different story. Of course no one wants a wipe, but the honest truth is that anything before 1.0, I'm okay with wiping if it means getting the game right.
I think that one of the keys to discouraging exploits is to introduce mechanisms that make said exploit redundant. For example, using ship repair to re-purchase FPS items stored in a ship's weapon racks loses at least some of its value as an exploit if you can easily re-claim account-bound FPS weapons and armour you have lost. Given the sheer number of bugs that can make it impossible to retrieve FPS gear from your corpse after respawning, I personally find that 'gear fear' really restricts my play. That's just me personally - I don't have a lot of time to play games, and I enjoy creating loadouts and equipping myself for specific mission types, so then losing items I can't easily replace at the local Cubby Blast is a pain. Having a simple way to reclaim said items is long overdue in my opinion.
Exploit or not, im going to enjoy finally being able to wear my subscriber gear wothout fear of losing it to a random bug.