I agree with you. Why did Arturia reject her own daughter like that? Clearly all Mordred wanted was her "father's" affection. But even when Mordred was dying, and reached out, calling father, and Arturia didn't even take the girl's hand or spare her even a look. To be honest, I felt that was just too cruel. It wasn't Mordred's fault. She never asked to be born.
Except Morgan didn't turn Artoria male. Merlin's magecraft is what was used turn her into a male. Also, the issue isn't that Mordred even wanted the throne. All Mordred wanted was to be loved and accepted by her 'father'. She was just a child that never asked to be born. Yet Artoria didn't even see that and rejected her to the very end. Mordred was a victim more than anything.
Nobody "corrected" her because Saber was viewed as the ideal King by many people. When Lancelot dies he does not ever state Saber did a bad job, no, Lancelot wanted Saber to punish him, because she didn't punish him when they were alive. Because the issue is no one was truly "wrong". It all happened because Saber had to hide her gender. And Merlin never tells Saber she did a bad job either, no, he tells her if she pulls the sword from the stone, she can never turn back. Hence Saber as a Servant, and Saber in the dress looking like a pacifist. Because that's what Saber could have been, if she had not become King. The people's issue was that Saber could not connect to their hearts, and when Saber rejected Mordred, the Knights of the Round's table power shifted. Some sided with Saber, some sided with Mordred, and then when Lancelot fled due to his betrayal, Saber chased him, and Mordred got her rebellion together in the meantime. I honestly adore them both, it was mostly Morgan who fucked shit up.
+Jatu Van Croxx I adore the Fate series. It's rare to find other people who also like it, let alone fully understand it. Thank you kindly for the thumbs up!
+Jethro Vitorio Scultor True. But I like how in the show they showed her other possible future. Which wasn't Saber Lily. It was Arturia in the commoner dress, looking peaceful and happy. I presume meaning her other self lived a peaceful for the most part life. But then does that mean in that version there was a better King? Or did that Saber just happen to be content? Lily seems like the feminine version a cross between the two. But hey she was warned-
According to Garden of Avalon, Artoria didn’t even need to hide her gender. it’s stated that “the king’s gender doesn’t matter as long as the king is a good king“. Part of Artoria’s tragic flaw was her not realizing this.
I can only imagine what Mordred would have thought about Saber Alter. Think about it - Alter is the corrupted form of Saber in the Heaven's Feel route, after she is swallowed by Angra Maiynu's shadow, falling into inconsolable despair when she learns first hand the monstrous true nature of the grail, which she had fought and killed and suffered hardship and loss to win... could not only have never granted her wish, but it was the container of all the world's evils. It shattered her to the core, and unlike the other routes, Shirou wasn't there to save her nor console her in Heaven's Feel, thus she had no escape from the despair of having her salvation - her wish to never have been king and her reason for becoming a Heroic Spirit in the first place - be forever denied to her. She lost her will to live... yet was still bound to serve as a Heroic Spirit. Like Archer - but far more nihilistic - she regrets becoming a Heroic Spirit and bitterly curses her own existence as a torment, living in a world she no longer cares about - very similar to Tobi from Naruto (calling him that in case nobody here knows who he is yet so as to avoid spoilers). All she can do now is fight and eventually die - with all her hopes and dreams crushed, and having come to see her past as a trail of broken and worthlessness, Saber Alter declares that all her prayers and all her glory vanished on the hill at Camalann when she and Mordred fueled. She holds to her ideal of a king being someone that must be an emotionless creature rather then human and never reconciles with her humanity, but no longer sees herself as the proud King of Knights - for Alter, that person died at Camalann, and it just took until now for her to realise it. She sees herself as nothing - less then nothing. Not even a servant anymore, really - just a weapon longing to be put to rest. From what I read of Mordred, she's a character that values passion and individuality, and she doesn't respond well to authoritative figures unless the actually earn her respect, and she likely hates people that make pre-judgemental decisions about people's nature. She hated Arturia because Arturia's self-employed laws on kings never showing emotion embittered Mordred, and because she felt that Arturia being an enemy of Mordrid's mother, Morgan Le Fey, had made Arturia hate her from pre-judgement. But the truth was that Arturia simply did not see Mordred as somebody that would make a good king, and that she would not recognise Mordred as her "son" due to having never willingly created one nor seeing the potential to be king in her. But this only further scorned Mordred in how her "father" could believe that when Arturia knew next to nothing about who Mordred was, when it seemed that, by all accounts, Arturia was not capable of understanding human emotion, if the people's moniker of "the emotionless king" was any indication. It came to a head when Lancelot had the affair with Guennivere, leaving Mordred and many other knights shocked that Arturia could spare and forgive Lancelot - something that hit Mordred especially hard as it seemed that Arturia could forgive someone that romanced the queen and killed two fellow knights, yet could not forgive her own child for who she was nor show her the affection she so desired. If she wasn't fit to be king... why could she not be taught how by Arturia? If she was the kings acknowledged flesh and blood... how could she not be family? Mordred had idolized Arturia in the past as her hero, role-model and a perfect king - she was Mordred's God. But Arturia's rejection of Mordred as her child and family, revulsion at the emotionless and cold way she ruled, and seething rage at how she could accept Lancelot and pardon him from execution but yet not accept her as an heir, embittered Mordred and served as the catalyst that lead her to try and validate her existence and prove she was more then worthy enough to rule - by leading a rebellion to steal for herself the throne she felt she deserved to have and best Arturia personally. At the final battle, Mordred had asked if Arturia hated her, to which Arturia simply replied that her decision was never about emotion - she just didn't think Mordred could be king: feelings had nothing to do with it. To Mordred, it was the final insult - to her, it felt like Arturia was saying she would *never* have acknowledged Mordred, regardless of the circumstances, and would never have treated her as a "son." Mordred's resulting rage, filled by sorrow, rage and frustration, resulted in the swordfish that lead to Mordred dying without ever even being able to touch Arturia, and Arturia being mortally wounded, outlining her "son" yet eventually dying by her hand all the same. The above... is why I really dread how a confrontation between Mordred and Saber Alter would go. I don't know if Mordred would flind it sickeningly funny how the mighty have fallen... or disgusted by how nihilistic Saber Alter has become by abandoning all that she was before... or just plain enraged at how she can never claim any love from her "father" as Saber Alter is basically a shell with no reason to care for anything. Any ideas on how it would go?
Mordred would be pissed as she respected her father to the core - not to mention love her even to the very end. She would be disguised by Alter and killed her quickly. But thankfully Alter is not really Saber, just shallow remains of her after she was killed. As Saber would never fell into such despair to abandon all her ideals, she would rather die as she did in HF. Grail just materialize Alter from remnants of her soul that was left there ( Darkening of servants ). Not to mention Saber does not have those feeling anymore as she is not Human anymore ( basic FSN lore that was ignored in HF, you cannot corrupt something that does not care about anything expect duty, service and sacrifice ). In short - Saber as we know it from Fate and UBW would never be corrupted, she would be killed and disappeared. But people who wrote HF thought darkening her would be cool and head with it. One of the main reason why after FSN Alter was mocked and played around in literally every Fate game except Unlimited Codes - because her darkening was stupid idea. And contrary to what you have wrote Saber wanted for Mordred to be king - when the time is right. Only reason why Saber acted toward Mordred like she has was because Mordred wanted more attention from her and she was too busy and fought a war. She didn't have time to babysit Mordred as well, thus the wheels of fate have turned.
2SSSR2 Um... Wrong, dude. Completely wrong - Alter IS indeed Saber, who has lost everything she ever believed in and abandoned what remained. Her entire reason for fighting was because she wanted to wish to never have been King - her wish was to THROW AWAY that part of her because she felt it was her ideals that caused Camelot's fall. Alter is, EXPLICITLY, what Saber becomes after giving into complete despair after finding out her wish to change her past is unattainable - Hell, we already saw her experience sadness, regret and despair in the Fate/Zero anime when, during the first Grail War she fought in, she had to kill Lancelot, who had been Berserker in the that war (the one right before the war in Fate/ Stay Night), and then was forced by Kitsiguru Emiya through the order of two successive command spells to destroy the Grail before she ever had a chance to learn what it was or what it did. When she's summoned for the second time by Shirou Emiya, she still doesn't know what's in the grail, or that it's not worth it - so when she is forced to see what it is in HF without Shirou to support or offer positive reinforcement to her, she basically breaks down and completely gives into despair that she had always suppressed since the fall of Camalot and the last Grail War. Um... Wrong again. If you are talking about Fate/Unlimited Codes, it's actually the opposite case - in the Alter arcade route, Alter is the ORIGINAL Saber and the good one that appears is the one formed from Saber's remnants, namely the last vestiges of her hopes and kindness, which Saber purged from herself after giving up on her life having any meaning. And the reason she wanted Shirou to kill her was because she had nothing left to live for - all her hopes and dreams had been shattered and she no longer had any reason to live aside from the contract that bound her to Angra Maniyu, so death was her only remaining salvation. She didn't want Shirou to win because it was "for good" - it was because she just wanted her life, filled with misery and regret, to finally be ended to she could go back to her time and die for good. Again wrong - it's touched upon on the series and visual novels that, for all the legends surrounding them, Heroic or Legendary Spirits are still human - they still have the full range of emotions, even if some are more twisted repressed then others. If what you were saying was on any way true, Saber would never have developed feelings for Shirou in Fate/Stay Night, nor would she have been so emotionally broken over having had to kill the insane Lancelot-Berserker in the prior war. And it's even worse to use Saber in your argument because Saber basically IS still human, due to having not technically died yet - from Saber's POV, she has yet to actually die, thus she is basically as she was being projected straight into the future. Unable to astralize (turn invisible like other servants) and with no "original template" in the Throne of Heroes yet, she is arguably the most human of the servants. Wrong - Saber's whole goal was to FORFIT that duty and service because she felt she failed to uphold it. The only thing you got right was sacrifice - she wished to sacrifice what she was to fix all her mistakes. Once she learned that was impossible, it broke her. The Saber of Fate and UBW didn't end up that way because she had Shirou and Rin supporting her and helping her forgive herself and come to terms with not changing the past and instead taking pride in her accomplishments - in HF, Shirou follows Kitsiguru a bit and puts his own sense of morality over getting the grail, which echoes how she lost the chance to win it in the last war. When the Shadow swallowed her, she didn't have Shirou or Rin to save her like in UBW nor support her like in Fate because they thought she was dead - thus, she had nobody around to keep her from falling into complete despair and nihilism after learning her fight for the grail had been for nothing. Also - I think you're misinterpreting something, dude: she got into all those things because she was *liked*, both for being a fun character, interesting twist to the story, and, in a sick, sad way, was a fitting way for Saber to end, being crushed by the despair of having an unattainable goal in a similar, yet much darker, way that Archer had. No - wrong again. If Saber had thought Mordred could ever have ruled, she would have taken Mordred under her wing and began teaching her - Mordred is fundamentally different from Saber in that she thinks people shouldn't hide their passions or put rules over happiness all the time. This clashes dramatically with what Saber's ideal of what a king is and should be was at the time - Mordred would never have been as emotionless nor reserved and conservative as Saber in ruling a kingdom, hence why Saber did not make any efforts to try and teach Mordred to be a king. She even went farther by saying that, while she acknowledged Mordred shared her bloodline, she refused to acknowledge Mordred as her 'son' and heir. It wasn't anywhere near the gentle misunderstanding you're claiming it to be.
No she is not, that's not how darkening works. Especially since Saber would rather die than allow herself to became Alter, because doing that would render all her sacrifice, all sacrifices of her people away. She would try to find some other way than Holy Grail, she is heroic spirit after all and Grail is not the only thing that can offer miracles. In short, she would never became dark as she would never betray her oath and sacrifice of everyone who put their faith and sacrifice for her. Alter was just poor excuse by authors to make route interesting. They said it themselves, for Alter an Shadow as well - "we run out of ideas so we came up with this". They even acknowledged that she is just what's left of her soul fragments since real Saber died. And read Fate lore - Saber wanted for Mordred to replace her - when the time was right. Mordred said it herself I think in Apocrypha. But it was too late already as battle happened and it turned out the way it did. And Saber never rejected Mordred as 'son', she just didn't have time for her as she was too busy ruining the Kingdom. Read HF and Apocrypha better next time. There was a reason why Saber Alter is least favorite of all Saber's - even Type Moon characters. Poorly written and poor excuse to exist at all. Not to mention such poor death for such allegedly strong servant. No wonder she is made fun in the franchise ( HA and CP ) and used to be slain by others ( Ilya ) in other Fate media.
2SSSR2 Wrong again - Gilgamesh is proof of otherwise. The "Darkening" is the conversion of prana to physical matter, turning the servant from a "soul container" into an actual flesh and blood body that is capable of growth and aging, again proven when, in Fate/Zero, Gilgamesh uses his Elixir to become a child, gradually aging back to his normal self in the ten years between Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night. They are not "copyed" - they are converted, and only those with high divinity, like the half-god child that Gilgamesh is, are able to resist being forced into a contract with Angra Maniyu and retain independence. Fragments can split away from them and become "echoes" of who they were - replications of how they looked and thought beforex but ultimately nothing more then that. Berserker (Hercules) could not be broken (Shirou notes that Berserker, blinded by the black mud covering him, still thinks he's fighting Saber Alter), thus the most the Shadow could do was cover Berserker in the mud and Rob him of his five senses to that Berserker wouldn't recognize what he attacked - and even then, he broke free in the last moment in order to let Shirou kill him and save Ilya. Saber is different - her whole reason for fighting was not to see the world again like Gilgamesh or fight to the heart's content like Lancet and Berserker. Her goal was the grail - and discovering the truth broke her. Do you not get that this was the POINT? Saber ALREADY thought that all the sacrifices of her people WERE in vain because she thought she was a bad king. She wanted to use the Grail to undo her past and never become king - to never have those sacrifices happen in the first place. Upon discovering that the Grail could not grant her wish, Saber took that as being the EXACT SAME THING as all of their sacrifices having been completely meaningless and that everything she and everyone else in Camalot had done was for nothing because she ultimately could never undo her past and keep the kingdom from falling. Upon learning the truth of the Grail, and without Shirou or Rin to make her believe otherwise, she became convinced that all her sacrifices and all her people's sacrifices were ALREADY MEANINGLESS because she couldn't change the past, thus her own life no longer matters to her anymore, nor does anyone else now. She was convinced that none of those sacrifices mattered, so she no longer had any reason to uphold them. Once again, that is implicitly WRONG - Saber isn't an actual, true Heroic Spirit due to having not actually died and gone to the Throne of Heroes yet: something SABER HERSELF acknowledges as true, as does Rider in HF when nothing that Saber was different from a normal Heroic Spirit. Once again, you're wrong - have you ever actually played the Fate route? If you did, you would know that Saber is plagued by regret and sorrow because she feels that she failed her kingdom, and that the only way to fix it is to undo all those sacrifices and alter time so that they never happened - Shirou, who she falls in love with, and Rin, who's determination she comes to respect, show her that she can move on and accept her past as being past, and that she ought to take pride in what she has done rather then obsessing over changing it like she had until that point. In HF, Saber NEVER gets that emotional boost or affectionate support when swallowed by the Shadow - all she is left with is the bitter loss to the True Assassin, her failure to protect anybody, and the heartbreaking truth that the Grail, the thing she fought and killed many, including Lancelot, to reach, was actually the container for the world's evils and could never have granted her wish. And for your information, there is NOT anything else in the world that could rival the Grail's power to grant a wish - that's been stated fact since the day it was made. Even then, Saber has no guarantee that she wouldn't be scorned by those things either, and the Grail was the most powerful of these devices - nothing else would even come close. Face it - the bottom line is that Saber Alter IS Saber. By "dead," they mean that her IDEALS AND HOPES - the core of what she fought for and believed in - died, and so to did any care she had for the world. Who she was is gone - a metaphorical death, as the person she is now is a stark contrast to who she was before, and metaphorically "dead" in the fact that she no longer wants anything to do with life. "Soul fragments" is what forms the "good" Saber in Fate/Unlimited Codes during the Saber Alter story-path - the original is the corrupted black knight. And by "run out of ideas", you're probably missremembering that for when they commented on how there wasn't enough ideas, nor the time, to make the intended four routes and condensed Ilya with Sakura's route - reading the actual interview... It doesn't match up with your words at ALL, dude. Wrong yet again - perhaps you ought to take your own advice and read up on the Fate lore instead of using headcannon. For starters, you do that only what Mordred THOUGHT, right? It's a lie that was fed to her her her mother Morgan Le Fey, who CLAIMED that would be Sabers's response but it was nowhere near, because she knew for a fact that it was UNTRUE and that Saber would never accept someone as passionate and unreserved as Mordred as being a king, in order to manipulate Mordred into hating Saber enough to kill her and take the Throne herself once Saber inevitably rejected Mordred. How the Hell did you confuse the lie Morgan told Mordred as being Saber's feelings, when we know from backstory material in the Fate/Zero books that Morgan lied to Mordred about Saber having any plans to let Mordred be king? Hell, reading Fate/Apocrypha alone tells us that this was only what Mordred personally believed based on what her mom Morgan told her, and not ANYTHING that Saber said - Saber's opinion on the matter was to reject Mordred as being a potential king and that even if they shared a bloodline, she didn't consider Mordred her 'son.' Saber didn't think Mordred could ever be restrained enough to be a king - otherwise, she would have taken Mordred in and tried teach her. This, given the above, I ask you to take your own advice - Read HF and Fate/Apocrypha better, or better yet, read them to begin with. She's used in those media because she is a POPULAR character (BTW, you do know that MULTIPLE servants in Prisma Illya were darkened, including Caster and, (off-svreen deaths) Lancer and Archer, correct? It was kind of a theme for that bit of the show, so it's nowhere near being a "dig" at Saber Alter). If you really believe what you're saying, you've not been to many discussion boards or seen any of the actual responses to the characters.
I mostly went to this clip to compare DEENs mordred to ufotables mordred as I saw original FSN first then zero then UBW then apocrypha I wanted to see what old mordred looked like since it has been a long time I saw the original I will say they have similar designs in their sword and armor
My guess is they just didn't want to give 'another' Saber clone (even though she's literally that). Mordred in Apocrypha looks similar enough to Artoria but with wilder hair.
@@kou7191 mordred looks similar but is ultimately different, having different facial features it's not like jeanne who literally looks just like artoria
The greatest tragedy of the Nasuverse is that, through Fate/Apocrypha, we have learned who Mordred is as a character, but we know that she and Arturia will almost certainly never meet. There needs to be _some_ kind of closure there, goddamnit.
Darth Portus ? Neither of them are Saber exclusive. Mordred has an affinity with Saber, Rider, and Berserker, while Arturia can be Saber, Lancer, or Rider.
Darth Portus She's certainly most likely to be summoned as one--I mean, Excalibur is probably the single most famous mythological item ever--but she also qualifies for Rider (King Arthur is attributed to the mounts Llamrei and Hengroen) and definitely for Lancer (her spear Rhongomyniad is a confirmed Noble Phantasm that's actually still around, passed down one family of Magi similar to how Fragarach is amongst the Fraga). If the spot isn't taken, it's safe to say that there's a 100% chance of her being Saber. Although I suppose her Noble Phantasms might change a bit depending on the situation of her summoning (like how stats differ depending on the summoner and the location of the summoning)--for instance, none of the classes available suit her magic dagger Carnmennan, and we haven't seen her with her shield Prydwen.
would be nice if they made another fate series with both Mordred and arturia being revived for it and they both finally recognize each other and finally act like family after all wouldn't be that hard for Mordred to say it wasn't my fault i was brainwashed and enchanted by your sister to kill you, that last stab, i didn't even notice until i looked down.
they can't meet has servants because both are class saber, unless they were summoned in a great war, but they would be in opposing sides so... the story will repeat again :p
Esta escena me transmite más melancolía y tristeza que en Apocrypha, excelente música y con secuencias más completas ya que se ve cómo Mordred consigue apuñalar a Arturia antes de morir.
Skirts being a solely feminine thing is relatively recent. They are less confining for the legs, and so give you greater freedom of movement. She's also got those armor panels on the side, which would protect the sides of any horse she's riding.
seth2901 Here's a pic of some medieval clothing. You've got a king in robes, and the soldier on the left has a skirt not all that shorter than Saber's. www.medievalchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/1000-1100-Examples-of-Norman-Clothing.jpg?c6a4fe Fashion changes over time. Frills, lace, velvet, pink, and embroidery have all been appropriate clothing for men at various points in time. And sometimes clothes that men wore could be rather feminine by today's standards. And note that as a Servant, she only appears with one set of clothing/armor; that which she wore as she lay dying. As a king, she would have had entire wardrobes of the stuff.
***** I still think Saber's outfit is too girly for a King and for someone pretending to b a man, but you are right :) thanks for the picture and the info :D
The 6th grail war is something that needs to happen! Oh the possibilities! Mordred as Saber meets Arturia as either Rider or Lancer. Shirou giving himself to the grail as a Heroic Spirit to release Arturia from her contract. Illya and Waiver return as masters! This thing needs to happen!
Well, hollow Ataraxia hardly wraps things up, so I'm hoping Type-moon follows Stay night and Hollow ataraxia with a proper equal. Thus, the 6th holy grail war, the possibilities are endless
6th Grail War is not possible although I'm very addicted to the series since Saber destroy the grail on the 5th war. Type-Moon could somehow make it reappear but it wouldn't make any sense.
Nate Jeremy Actually, it is possible and for it to make sense, you'll need a better understanding of what the Grail is. Virtually, the Grail system is a two-part tool used to blow a hole through dimensional space, allowing the user to reach Origin or better known as Akasha. The Greater Grail is more or less a gateway that only opens when it has enough magical fuel to break through the dimensional barrier. The most effective fuel sources are obviously the Heroic Spirits, however if the Greater Grail were altered and moved to a Leyline such as the one in London, it could consume the souls of the many innocent citizens, blowing a hole through the barrier all the same. Even if the Greater Grail is destroyed like it was in the Heaven's Feel route, it can be replicated as seen in Strange Fake and Apocrypha. The Holy Grail, or the Lessor Grail, is the container for the fuel and will only completely open the Greater Grail when seven heroic spirits have been sacrificed. This Grail is much smaller than the Greater grail and has always been contained in a living being such as Illyasviel. As this grail fills, secondary features such as personality and bodily functions cease to function in order to contain the vast amount of magical energy within themselves. Ultimately their life is sacrificed in order to open the path to Origin. Like the Greater Grail, if the Lesser grail is destroyed, another can be prepared. img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131007133416/typemoon/images/8/86/Fuyuki_Holy_Grail_War.png That's a link to a diagram with a step by step process of how it works. When dormant, the Greater Grail gathers mana from the Fuyuki leyline until it has 60 years worth of mana. It takes 10 years of mana to summon the servants alone and another 50 years to open the gateway to Akasha. If the greater grail's primary function doesn't activate, then it will lie dormant for 10 years, if the greater grail does open the gate way to Origin, then it will lie dormant for 60 years. In both the Unlimited Blade Works and Fate routes, no wish was made so the the greater grail will undoubtedly be full again in 10 years. Also, what's seen in the anime is the destruction of the fuel source, neither of the grails were actually destroyed in the Fate Route. However the Heaven's feel route activated the Greater grail's primary function and destroyed itself so it would take 1-100 years to rebuild the grail and another 60 years to fill it. I have a prediction. If lets say, there were a 6th Grail war that followed ten years after the events of Stay Night, it would be what's known as a Great Holy Grail War. I seriously doubt Shirou, Rin, Sakura, Illya, Bazett, Caren and Waver would seriously try and kill each other, thus it would invoke the Grail's secondary feature and name another seven Masters and servants. Perhaps Gaia awakens, sensing her own death and names her own Masters and Servants to combat those of Akasha. There's certainly room for another war. Ivan Kuzmin Yes Hollow ataraxia is a sequel, but it isn't something that brings closure. Through out Stay Night, there is an event that is suppose to take place ten years after Stay Night. This event claims Shirou's life, nearly rips the magical world apart and brings about the true destruction of the grail.
gilgamesh said something similar in F/SN, that saber's loyalty to her country is what destroyed her. her rebuttal was that gilgamesh doing whatever he wanted is what destroyed his country.
That is some serious overkill... first the sword splits the helmet in half (a killing blow against any normal human)... then she rams a war lance right through Mordred's heart... damn...
Merlin explicitely warned her that upon picking up the sword she would stop aging. Arturia was still physically a teenager when she died, even countless years after picking it up. Though yes, as far as mental maturity goes she's hardly a child.
All we are "allowed" to know about Saber from the Fate/Stay Night anime is, plainly put, her and Shiro. We get no insight on her life(except the regrets she has. I can not stop thinking about this, don't you think this is a huge burden on her? She never ever talked about this, killing her knight, and finding out it's her "son" in the process. As a king, as the king SHE was, had no one, and then to kill her "son". I wonder, how she feels about this. There is so much more to show about her. For example. who was she before pulling the sword out..
+Gandeloft Saber didn't care about killing her son. She abandoned every of her feelings back at that time. In fate zero she said herself that a human who choosed to be king, can't live like a normal person. It was natural for her to kill everybody who tried to take over the kingdom
That's just what her outside is, the thing I'm talking about it her herself, quite literally put, knowing her deeds, her being fully aware of the reality of her deeds/actions.
Being a king like Saber has a real tiring duty if someone trying to take her thrown and the kingdom she abandoned her feelings for that who would have thought a king protecting the Kingdom...and the kingdom didn't even protecting her but yet... bewitched her by Morgan itself
Saber couldn't look after Mordred since she never knew she had a child, until Mordred revealed herself, by then she'd hid her identity while joining the round table which is treason, then betrays her later on, prior that wanting to take over. Saber shouldn't have rejected her, but she had no bond to her. Morgan set them up to fight, and Saber beat her, but due to the curse, Mordred impaled her. Neither of them hate each other, Morgan planned it all though Mordred does want the throne, even by force, for a kingdom that's gone.
***** ... the wiki should have spelled out pretty clearly who Mordred is. She's the homunculus daughter of Saber created by the sorceress Morgan Le Fay.
Guys I wait I think fate series had a deep meaning I just watch fate stay night unlimited blades works and all I know is a masters fight to win the holy grail but now after a deep search I'm confused tell me who Arturia and what about fate stay night game tell me everything you know please and thanks
Verkili To be fair, most probably don't know too much about Arthur/Artorious past the first story (The Sword in the Stone). They probably don't know who Mordred is, or his/her relationship with his/her father. That being said, some come back, because it's a beautiful, yet tragic, scene.
Verkili Well, this appears in my suggestions, so, I see it. King Arthur is my favorite character of the legends, but after knows about Fate, I have my doubts. The King Arthur in the Nasuverse is so...hateable. I don't want to know more of she. But I'm interested in the other characters of the Roundtable, so, I came here. Ps: Now, the ED of Fate/Zero makes sense
@@asuraspath2262 he;s not wrong tho. I'm one of the few defenders of the deen adaptation , since while the animation is old , and they do screw up quite a bit the fate route by inlucind ubw and hf elements , i still believe that it is overall the fate route... But that doesn't change the fact that the deen adaptation is miles behind anything done by ufotable. The only things that deen did better IMO are a couple of scenes (like this one) and music. I honestly think that fsn 2006 had the best OST out of all fate works i've seen
+Tower Knight To bad nobody had the brains or balls to tell her that before everything went to shit. Heck, the first she heard about her way of being king being wrong was when Iskander straight up and honestly said it TO HER FACE and Lancerlot only vaguely confirmed it on his death. I guess what I'm saying is, this whole mess could've been avoided if everyone had the guts to be straight with her. Saber may be stubborn, but even SHE has to stop and think when a whole COUNTRY say's she's doing something wrong.
+MasterSwo That's mean it was not completely her fault, her people at fault too because they never pointed it out to her. Beside Saber look like the type that will stop if people start suffer, because that her main motivation to be a good king anyway.
Kihara Noukan Exactly, which is why I can't fathom why no one was willing to be honest with her way back then. I mean, there was one, but he was A. an assassin being payed to do so, and B. he was the only one, everyone else just kept say YES to everything Saber did and drowning him out. Then Lancelot happened, and just when it looks like Saber will get a chance to get some perspective, BOOM a flipping war starts, and then after that, BOOM Modreds started a civil war while she was gone. Lancelots rebellion was Sabers BEST CHANCE to realize that she had been making mistakes, but it wasn't the first. The reason she never noticed before then? Everyone kept hiding them. It's no wonder her kingdom became such a mess by the end, it was one before she even became king in the first place!
MasterSwo To be honest, Merlin also went up to Arthur during the closing days of his reign and basically said "dude, this is fucked up, stop it". Heck, he said the same thing when he married Guinevere.
Tower Knight But then if just one or two guys say your not doing something right, and then EVERYONE ELSE (and I do mean EVERYONE) says the opposite, who are you most likely to listen to?
Definitely. All Mordred wanted was her acknowledgement, no different than any child (please note Mordred may look to be as old as her 'father' but she is a homunculus, and is actually a child in an adult body) and Arturia as king couldn't do that. That one thing all children want, and Arturia couldn't give it.
@zatch2000 21, I believe. Right after Shirou recovers from being impaled, then almost cut in half by Gilgamesh. Right before the rather tearful cooking scene and the kiss.
Sorry Da, its just not true. In Apoc they even state specifically that they are changing Mordred's gender from Fate Stay Night because Rider of Black ( Astolfo) is already a feminine boy; and they didn't want two feminine boys in the same novel.
saber a reçu la couronne a 15 ans et a régné 10 ans (ou 15, je suis pas sure). elle a passé l'age d’être considéré comme enfant. saber received the crown at the age of 15 years and reigned 10 years (or 15, I'm not sure). she passed the age to be considered child
@DarthFanta exactly, thats is the answer the sword itself is the object to measure the conviction of those who wants to be king but only arturia was the right person to use excalibur and to rule the kingdom...
@OmegaChosen0 Actually Mordred would be very overpowered as a Servant. Humunculus. Check. Therefore super growth and strength. Oh and a ton of magic circuits. *Looks at Ilya* Son of Saber. Check. Noble Phantasm. Check. Clarent, used by Arthur to knight people. It can have an effect like always hitting the enemies shoulder.... that would be so awesome.
Wait what? Why don't I remeber this scene at all?? Like seriously we saw Mordered-chan already in the DEEN's adaptation!??!? How the hell did I forget about something as big as this?
Fate/Apocrypha, Modred is a girl and is summoned as Saber-class servant. Opposite Arthuria's personal, Modred is quite a playful girl with denim short and 2-strings shirt as casual cloth, in battle, she is brutal and cruelty.
from what can be seen in Fate/Apocrypha. It's a Girl (but still was born from Saber and Guinevere. Merlin gave her a "Magic Dick" so she could produce a heir)
@DarthFanta she means whats is take to rule a kingdom , he doesnt retreat the sword from the stone that means he doesnt have the power, the vision, the love to the people... and what the series says the strenght of saber to pull out her emotions tu rule the kingdom with justice,,,,
for Saber it was the 'the king protecting the kingdom but the kingdom did not protect the king' where as gilgamesh more or less destroyed his own kingdom - hence why my saying taking anything gilgamesh has to say about someone not being fit to rule seriously is laughable
Havent read any of the VN but the moment they show Mordred in Fate Apocarypha I thought it was the same saber but with alter ego. Finally Mordred showed up after 10 years. lol
@fiercezero In this series it was revealed that "Arthur" was actually a woman, Arturia, who faked being a man (since no one would accept a female ruler at the time). Shirou was pretty freaked out himself when he found out!
Mordred doesn't have a Noble Phantasm? In the Arthurian legends it is said that he had King Arthur's father sword Clarent. A sword that Arthur himself keep out of battles making it be called the sword of peace that he uses only in rituals such as crowning and knighting. Cold the sword that Mordred uses in this video be Clarent?
arturia a accepté que ses émotion l devait être sacrifié et sa vie personne réprimé pour le royaume. elle regrette de l'avoir imposé sur Guenièvre et Lancelot mais a continué pour le bien du royaume. elle est un roi responsable mais elle sacrifie son humanité y compris son statue de mère (ou de père ? ) . Mordred est par contre la plus grande victime ,mais sacrifier un royaume pour un individu ?
@OmegaChosen0 My friends and I play tabletop rpgs, and we did a grail war game. I ended up having to face Mordred once. Not fun.I somehow managed to win, but I had help from Joan of Arc and a Rider Servant.
@fiercezero Saber is king "Arturia Pendragon" meaning that as she could be the only one to rule due to the selection of the king (when she took the sword from the stone binding her fate to protect her kingdom) she was called "king" due to being the only ruller (A king is the one who rules and a queen is a king's wife). So resuming its not "King Arthur" it's "King Arturia" (a woman yes (heterosexual) )
@Blazeboy66 Well his master would need a Lot Of Mana Due to Mordred being a Homunculus I guess he would be a Saber with the price of a Berserker maybe?
@Contreras1991 modred was arturia (saber) father in that i mean the king of england before saber the reason that he is almost like saber in the face is because they are father and son and in a way to tell the audience that saber felt i littble bit guilty to see whats happen to her ...... ( her own people fight against her, meaning her vs her because the king represent the people).... bless..
@OmegaChosen0 It's also recognised as a sword that is for peaceful events and knightings, which is claimed to have been used by Mordred by stealing it. Think about it. If Mordred was a servant... I can't think of a single weakness bar low life span... which is gone when he is a Servant.
What she is suppose to do. Protecting her people and throne. If Mordred isnt qualified in Saber's eyes, then too bad. She is King and what says goes. Also, you dont know, maybe deep down she's in pain for having killed Mordred. :P
@OmegaChosen0 Yeah. So even if he wasn't "strong" here, he would be because of his legend. Despite being a "villian" him defeating Arthur causes Britain to change to what it is today, meaning he can qualify for a hero. Fae+Dragon+HolySword+Homunculus+Extreme Growth Rate.
Saber was originally planned to be a man, according to how Fate/Prototype revealed how the set up for Fate/Stay Night was originally planned to be as before it changed to what it is now.
@EffervescentPhantasm Continuing If the Lady of the Lake managed to make Excalibur imagining Mordred with a Nameless Hax Phantasm wouldn't be out of expeculation... I mean he went all Badass Final Combat his Sword and Armor must be pretty powerfull to endure against Excalibur's strikes well until it breaks
Idk why you're asking, but the answer is not simple. Historically? Probably not, because if I remember correctly, there's only confirmation that Mordred (Medraut) was at Camlann and died there, with Arthur. Generally? Close. By common knowledge this is basically what happened. Technically? Fate's Arturia is as Canon as any other King Arthur, because there isn't a canon. (So that's yes.) However, from the earliest Welsh tales I've read, no this is not accurate, Mordred and Arthur didn't kill each other. It was Saxons that killed them both, lining up more with history. The legends can get really complicated. Especially where they mix in with possible real history or got Christianized. Like Merlin might be based on three different people, and Morgan Le Fey was first a helpful, healing fae who helped take Arthur to Avalon to heal, but then Christianization made her evil. Also Morgan wasn't supposed to be Arthur's sister. That's Morgause. (Gawain, Gareth, Gaheris, and Agravaine were actually Mordred's half-brothers.) tldr: Depends on what source you're using for your legends.
she is not her father first (put in Arturia shoes please), they dont have a bond... Mordred know and want to be like Arturia because Morgan told she that arturia it's her """"father"""
Not Blood. The type-moon version is a little more twisted. Arturia was temporarily transformed into a pseudo-male by Morgan Le Fey. Mordred is a homunculus created from sperm extracted from Arturia during that period.
everyone, lets stop all these shenanigans. ill point out two things to you. 1) saber may be a child mentally, but she still got swag when using excalibur. 2) gilgamesh is a prick in glowing armour, but is also very awesome. end of discussion
also still ticks me off seeing arturia cry over lancelot but nothing over mordred who had a very cursed fate yet still loved her father arturia
I agree with you. Why did Arturia reject her own daughter like that? Clearly all Mordred wanted was her "father's" affection. But even when Mordred was dying, and reached out, calling father, and Arturia didn't even take the girl's hand or spare her even a look. To be honest, I felt that was just too cruel. It wasn't Mordred's fault. She never asked to be born.
Except Morgan didn't turn Artoria male. Merlin's magecraft is what was used turn her into a male.
Also, the issue isn't that Mordred even wanted the throne. All Mordred wanted was to be loved and accepted by her 'father'. She was just a child that never asked to be born. Yet Artoria didn't even see that and rejected her to the very end. Mordred was a victim more than anything.
ArcCommando1 so who’s side would you have taken?
a name she used? I though her sister stole it
She did cry in Fate Zero
Nobody "corrected" her because Saber was viewed as the ideal King by many people. When Lancelot dies he does not ever state Saber did a bad job, no, Lancelot wanted Saber to punish him, because she didn't punish him when they were alive. Because the issue is no one was truly "wrong". It all happened because Saber had to hide her gender. And Merlin never tells Saber she did a bad job either, no, he tells her if she pulls the sword from the stone, she can never turn back. Hence Saber as a Servant, and Saber in the dress looking like a pacifist. Because that's what Saber could have been, if she had not become King. The people's issue was that Saber could not connect to their hearts, and when Saber rejected Mordred, the Knights of the Round's table power shifted. Some sided with Saber, some sided with Mordred, and then when Lancelot fled due to his betrayal, Saber chased him, and Mordred got her rebellion together in the meantime. I honestly adore them both, it was mostly Morgan who fucked shit up.
+Valerie Valentine Nice, you understand the fate series like me Thumbs Up
+Jatu Van Croxx I adore the Fate series. It's rare to find other people who also like it, let alone fully understand it. Thank you kindly for the thumbs up!
+Valerie Valentine And then you have Saber Lily which is totally how Saber could have had the Ending she wanted.
+Jethro Vitorio Scultor True. But I like how in the show they showed her other possible future. Which wasn't Saber Lily. It was Arturia in the commoner dress, looking peaceful and happy. I presume meaning her other self lived a peaceful for the most part life. But then does that mean in that version there was a better King? Or did that Saber just happen to be content? Lily seems like the feminine version a cross between the two. But hey she was warned-
According to Garden of Avalon, Artoria didn’t even need to hide her gender. it’s stated that “the king’s gender doesn’t matter as long as the king is a good king“. Part of Artoria’s tragic flaw was her not realizing this.
I can only imagine what Mordred would have thought about Saber Alter.
Think about it - Alter is the corrupted form of Saber in the Heaven's Feel route, after she is swallowed by Angra Maiynu's shadow, falling into inconsolable despair when she learns first hand the monstrous true nature of the grail, which she had fought and killed and suffered hardship and loss to win... could not only have never granted her wish, but it was the container of all the world's evils. It shattered her to the core, and unlike the other routes, Shirou wasn't there to save her nor console her in Heaven's Feel, thus she had no escape from the despair of having her salvation - her wish to never have been king and her reason for becoming a Heroic Spirit in the first place - be forever denied to her.
She lost her will to live... yet was still bound to serve as a Heroic Spirit. Like Archer - but far more nihilistic - she regrets becoming a Heroic Spirit and bitterly curses her own existence as a torment, living in a world she no longer cares about - very similar to Tobi from Naruto (calling him that in case nobody here knows who he is yet so as to avoid spoilers). All she can do now is fight and eventually die - with all her hopes and dreams crushed, and having come to see her past as a trail of broken and worthlessness, Saber Alter declares that all her prayers and all her glory vanished on the hill at Camalann when she and Mordred fueled. She holds to her ideal of a king being someone that must be an emotionless creature rather then human and never reconciles with her humanity, but no longer sees herself as the proud King of Knights - for Alter, that person died at Camalann, and it just took until now for her to realise it. She sees herself as nothing - less then nothing. Not even a servant anymore, really - just a weapon longing to be put to rest.
From what I read of Mordred, she's a character that values passion and individuality, and she doesn't respond well to authoritative figures unless the actually earn her respect, and she likely hates people that make pre-judgemental decisions about people's nature. She hated Arturia because Arturia's self-employed laws on kings never showing emotion embittered Mordred, and because she felt that Arturia being an enemy of Mordrid's mother, Morgan Le Fey, had made Arturia hate her from pre-judgement.
But the truth was that Arturia simply did not see Mordred as somebody that would make a good king, and that she would not recognise Mordred as her "son" due to having never willingly created one nor seeing the potential to be king in her. But this only further scorned Mordred in how her "father" could believe that when Arturia knew next to nothing about who Mordred was, when it seemed that, by all accounts, Arturia was not capable of understanding human emotion, if the people's moniker of "the emotionless king" was any indication.
It came to a head when Lancelot had the affair with Guennivere, leaving Mordred and many other knights shocked that Arturia could spare and forgive Lancelot - something that hit Mordred especially hard as it seemed that Arturia could forgive someone that romanced the queen and killed two fellow knights, yet could not forgive her own child for who she was nor show her the affection she so desired. If she wasn't fit to be king... why could she not be taught how by Arturia? If she was the kings acknowledged flesh and blood... how could she not be family? Mordred had idolized Arturia in the past as her hero, role-model and a perfect king - she was Mordred's God. But Arturia's rejection of Mordred as her child and family, revulsion at the emotionless and cold way she ruled, and seething rage at how she could accept Lancelot and pardon him from execution but yet not accept her as an heir, embittered Mordred and served as the catalyst that lead her to try and validate her existence and prove she was more then worthy enough to rule - by leading a rebellion to steal for herself the throne she felt she deserved to have and best Arturia personally.
At the final battle, Mordred had asked if Arturia hated her, to which Arturia simply replied that her decision was never about emotion - she just didn't think Mordred could be king: feelings had nothing to do with it. To Mordred, it was the final insult - to her, it felt like Arturia was saying she would *never* have acknowledged Mordred, regardless of the circumstances, and would never have treated her as a "son." Mordred's resulting rage, filled by sorrow, rage and frustration, resulted in the swordfish that lead to Mordred dying without ever even being able to touch Arturia, and Arturia being mortally wounded, outlining her "son" yet eventually dying by her hand all the same.
The above... is why I really dread how a confrontation between Mordred and Saber Alter would go. I don't know if Mordred would flind it sickeningly funny how the mighty have fallen... or disgusted by how nihilistic Saber Alter has become by abandoning all that she was before... or just plain enraged at how she can never claim any love from her "father" as Saber Alter is basically a shell with no reason to care for anything.
Any ideas on how it would go?
Mordred would be pissed as she respected her father to the core - not to mention love her even to the very end.
She would be disguised by Alter and killed her quickly.
But thankfully Alter is not really Saber, just shallow remains of her after she was killed. As Saber would never fell into such despair to abandon all her ideals, she would rather die as she did in HF. Grail just materialize Alter from remnants of her soul that was left there ( Darkening of servants ).
Not to mention Saber does not have those feeling anymore as she is not Human anymore ( basic FSN lore that was ignored in HF, you cannot corrupt something that does not care about anything expect duty, service and sacrifice ). In short - Saber as we know it from Fate and UBW would never be corrupted, she would be killed and disappeared. But people who wrote HF thought darkening her would be cool and head with it. One of the main reason why after FSN Alter was mocked and played around in literally every Fate game except Unlimited Codes - because her darkening was stupid idea.
And contrary to what you have wrote Saber wanted for Mordred to be king - when the time is right. Only reason why Saber acted toward Mordred like she has was because Mordred wanted more attention from her and she was too busy and fought a war. She didn't have time to babysit Mordred as well, thus the wheels of fate have turned.
2SSSR2 Um... Wrong, dude. Completely wrong - Alter IS indeed Saber, who has lost everything she ever believed in and abandoned what remained. Her entire reason for fighting was because she wanted to wish to never have been King - her wish was to THROW AWAY that part of her because she felt it was her ideals that caused Camelot's fall.
Alter is, EXPLICITLY, what Saber becomes after giving into complete despair after finding out her wish to change her past is unattainable - Hell, we already saw her experience sadness, regret and despair in the Fate/Zero anime when, during the first Grail War she fought in, she had to kill Lancelot, who had been Berserker in the that war (the one right before the war in Fate/ Stay Night), and then was forced by Kitsiguru Emiya through the order of two successive command spells to destroy the Grail before she ever had a chance to learn what it was or what it did. When she's summoned for the second time by Shirou Emiya, she still doesn't know what's in the grail, or that it's not worth it - so when she is forced to see what it is in HF without Shirou to support or offer positive reinforcement to her, she basically breaks down and completely gives into despair that she had always suppressed since the fall of Camalot and the last Grail War.
Um... Wrong again. If you are talking about Fate/Unlimited Codes, it's actually the opposite case - in the Alter arcade route, Alter is the ORIGINAL Saber and the good one that appears is the one formed from Saber's remnants, namely the last vestiges of her hopes and kindness, which Saber purged from herself after giving up on her life having any meaning. And the reason she wanted Shirou to kill her was because she had nothing left to live for - all her hopes and dreams had been shattered and she no longer had any reason to live aside from the contract that bound her to Angra Maniyu, so death was her only remaining salvation. She didn't want Shirou to win because it was "for good" - it was because she just wanted her life, filled with misery and regret, to finally be ended to she could go back to her time and die for good.
Again wrong - it's touched upon on the series and visual novels that, for all the legends surrounding them, Heroic or Legendary Spirits are still human - they still have the full range of emotions, even if some are more twisted repressed then others. If what you were saying was on any way true, Saber would never have developed feelings for Shirou in Fate/Stay Night, nor would she have been so emotionally broken over having had to kill the insane Lancelot-Berserker in the prior war. And it's even worse to use Saber in your argument because Saber basically IS still human, due to having not technically died yet - from Saber's POV, she has yet to actually die, thus she is basically as she was being projected straight into the future. Unable to astralize (turn invisible like other servants) and with no "original template" in the Throne of Heroes yet, she is arguably the most human of the servants.
Wrong - Saber's whole goal was to FORFIT that duty and service because she felt she failed to uphold it. The only thing you got right was sacrifice - she wished to sacrifice what she was to fix all her mistakes. Once she learned that was impossible, it broke her. The Saber of Fate and UBW didn't end up that way because she had Shirou and Rin supporting her and helping her forgive herself and come to terms with not changing the past and instead taking pride in her accomplishments - in HF, Shirou follows Kitsiguru a bit and puts his own sense of morality over getting the grail, which echoes how she lost the chance to win it in the last war. When the Shadow swallowed her, she didn't have Shirou or Rin to save her like in UBW nor support her like in Fate because they thought she was dead - thus, she had nobody around to keep her from falling into complete despair and nihilism after learning her fight for the grail had been for nothing. Also - I think you're misinterpreting something, dude: she got into all those things because she was *liked*, both for being a fun character, interesting twist to the story, and, in a sick, sad way, was a fitting way for Saber to end, being crushed by the despair of having an unattainable goal in a similar, yet much darker, way that Archer had.
No - wrong again. If Saber had thought Mordred could ever have ruled, she would have taken Mordred under her wing and began teaching her - Mordred is fundamentally different from Saber in that she thinks people shouldn't hide their passions or put rules over happiness all the time. This clashes dramatically with what Saber's ideal of what a king is and should be was at the time - Mordred would never have been as emotionless nor reserved and conservative as Saber in ruling a kingdom, hence why Saber did not make any efforts to try and teach Mordred to be a king. She even went farther by saying that, while she acknowledged Mordred shared her bloodline, she refused to acknowledge Mordred as her 'son' and heir. It wasn't anywhere near the gentle misunderstanding you're claiming it to be.
No she is not, that's not how darkening works.
Especially since Saber would rather die than allow herself to became Alter, because doing that would render all her sacrifice, all sacrifices of her people away.
She would try to find some other way than Holy Grail, she is heroic spirit after all and Grail is not the only thing that can offer miracles. In short, she would never became dark as she would never betray her oath and sacrifice of everyone who put their faith and sacrifice for her.
Alter was just poor excuse by authors to make route interesting. They said it themselves, for Alter an Shadow as well - "we run out of ideas so we came up with this". They even acknowledged that she is just what's left of her soul fragments since real Saber died.
And read Fate lore - Saber wanted for Mordred to replace her - when the time was right. Mordred said it herself I think in Apocrypha. But it was too late already as battle happened and it turned out the way it did. And Saber never rejected Mordred as 'son', she just didn't have time for her as she was too busy ruining the Kingdom.
Read HF and Apocrypha better next time. There was a reason why Saber Alter is least favorite of all Saber's - even Type Moon characters. Poorly written and poor excuse to exist at all. Not to mention such poor death for such allegedly strong servant. No wonder she is made fun in the franchise ( HA and CP ) and used to be slain by others ( Ilya ) in other Fate media.
2SSSR2 Wrong again - Gilgamesh is proof of otherwise. The "Darkening" is the conversion of prana to physical matter, turning the servant from a "soul container" into an actual flesh and blood body that is capable of growth and aging, again proven when, in Fate/Zero, Gilgamesh uses his Elixir to become a child, gradually aging back to his normal self in the ten years between Fate/Zero and Fate/Stay Night. They are not "copyed" - they are converted, and only those with high divinity, like the half-god child that Gilgamesh is, are able to resist being forced into a contract with Angra Maniyu and retain independence. Fragments can split away from them and become "echoes" of who they were - replications of how they looked and thought beforex but ultimately nothing more then that. Berserker (Hercules) could not be broken (Shirou notes that Berserker, blinded by the black mud covering him, still thinks he's fighting Saber Alter), thus the most the Shadow could do was cover Berserker in the mud and Rob him of his five senses to that Berserker wouldn't recognize what he attacked - and even then, he broke free in the last moment in order to let Shirou kill him and save Ilya. Saber is different - her whole reason for fighting was not to see the world again like Gilgamesh or fight to the heart's content like Lancet and Berserker. Her goal was the grail - and discovering the truth broke her.
Do you not get that this was the POINT? Saber ALREADY thought that all the sacrifices of her people WERE in vain because she thought she was a bad king. She wanted to use the Grail to undo her past and never become king - to never have those sacrifices happen in the first place. Upon discovering that the Grail could not grant her wish, Saber took that as being the EXACT SAME THING as all of their sacrifices having been completely meaningless and that everything she and everyone else in Camalot had done was for nothing because she ultimately could never undo her past and keep the kingdom from falling. Upon learning the truth of the Grail, and without Shirou or Rin to make her believe otherwise, she became convinced that all her sacrifices and all her people's sacrifices were ALREADY MEANINGLESS because she couldn't change the past, thus her own life no longer matters to her anymore, nor does anyone else now. She was convinced that none of those sacrifices mattered, so she no longer had any reason to uphold them.
Once again, that is implicitly WRONG - Saber isn't an actual, true Heroic Spirit due to having not actually died and gone to the Throne of Heroes yet: something SABER HERSELF acknowledges as true, as does Rider in HF when nothing that Saber was different from a normal Heroic Spirit.
Once again, you're wrong - have you ever actually played the Fate route? If you did, you would know that Saber is plagued by regret and sorrow because she feels that she failed her kingdom, and that the only way to fix it is to undo all those sacrifices and alter time so that they never happened - Shirou, who she falls in love with, and Rin, who's determination she comes to respect, show her that she can move on and accept her past as being past, and that she ought to take pride in what she has done rather then obsessing over changing it like she had until that point. In HF, Saber NEVER gets that emotional boost or affectionate support when swallowed by the Shadow - all she is left with is the bitter loss to the True Assassin, her failure to protect anybody, and the heartbreaking truth that the Grail, the thing she fought and killed many, including Lancelot, to reach, was actually the container for the world's evils and could never have granted her wish.
And for your information, there is NOT anything else in the world that could rival the Grail's power to grant a wish - that's been stated fact since the day it was made. Even then, Saber has no guarantee that she wouldn't be scorned by those things either, and the Grail was the most powerful of these devices - nothing else would even come close. Face it - the bottom line is that Saber Alter IS Saber. By "dead," they mean that her IDEALS AND HOPES - the core of what she fought for and believed in - died, and so to did any care she had for the world. Who she was is gone - a metaphorical death, as the person she is now is a stark contrast to who she was before, and metaphorically "dead" in the fact that she no longer wants anything to do with life. "Soul fragments" is what forms the "good" Saber in Fate/Unlimited Codes during the Saber Alter story-path - the original is the corrupted black knight. And by "run out of ideas", you're probably missremembering that for when they commented on how there wasn't enough ideas, nor the time, to make the intended four routes and condensed Ilya with Sakura's route - reading the actual interview... It doesn't match up with your words at ALL, dude.
Wrong yet again - perhaps you ought to take your own advice and read up on the Fate lore instead of using headcannon. For starters, you do that only what Mordred THOUGHT, right? It's a lie that was fed to her her her mother Morgan Le Fey, who CLAIMED that would be Sabers's response but it was nowhere near, because she knew for a fact that it was UNTRUE and that Saber would never accept someone as passionate and unreserved as Mordred as being a king, in order to manipulate Mordred into hating Saber enough to kill her and take the Throne herself once Saber inevitably rejected Mordred. How the Hell did you confuse the lie Morgan told Mordred as being Saber's feelings, when we know from backstory material in the Fate/Zero books that Morgan lied to Mordred about Saber having any plans to let Mordred be king? Hell, reading Fate/Apocrypha alone tells us that this was only what Mordred personally believed based on what her mom Morgan told her, and not ANYTHING that Saber said - Saber's opinion on the matter was to reject Mordred as being a potential king and that even if they shared a bloodline, she didn't consider Mordred her 'son.' Saber didn't think Mordred could ever be restrained enough to be a king - otherwise, she would have taken Mordred in and tried teach her.
This, given the above, I ask you to take your own advice - Read HF and Fate/Apocrypha better, or better yet, read them to begin with. She's used in those media because she is a POPULAR character (BTW, you do know that MULTIPLE servants in Prisma Illya were darkened, including Caster and, (off-svreen deaths) Lancer and Archer, correct? It was kind of a theme for that bit of the show, so it's nowhere near being a "dig" at Saber Alter). If you really believe what you're saying, you've not been to many discussion boards or seen any of the actual responses to the characters.
Where is this Havens Feel route?
I find the character design of Mordred in Apocrypha amazing
Yeah, but the first one still takes the cake though.
I mostly went to this clip to compare DEENs mordred to ufotables mordred as I saw original FSN first then zero then UBW then apocrypha
I wanted to see what old mordred looked like since it has been a long time I saw the original
I will say they have similar designs in their sword and armor
The Apocrypha design is a little more sophisticated.
My guess is they just didn't want to give 'another' Saber clone (even though she's literally that). Mordred in Apocrypha looks similar enough to Artoria but with wilder hair.
@@kou7191 mordred looks similar but is ultimately different, having different facial features
it's not like jeanne who literally looks just like artoria
The greatest tragedy of the Nasuverse is that, through Fate/Apocrypha, we have learned who Mordred is as a character, but we know that she and Arturia will almost certainly never meet.
There needs to be _some_ kind of closure there, goddamnit.
Yeah because both of them can only be summoned as sabers so they can't meet ever.
Darth Portus
? Neither of them are Saber exclusive. Mordred has an affinity with Saber, Rider, and Berserker, while Arturia can be Saber, Lancer, or Rider.
***** Really ? I remember that saber said at some point that she can be summoned only as Saber.
Darth Portus She's certainly most likely to be summoned as one--I mean, Excalibur is probably the single most famous mythological item ever--but she also qualifies for Rider (King Arthur is attributed to the mounts Llamrei and Hengroen) and definitely for Lancer (her spear Rhongomyniad is a confirmed Noble Phantasm that's actually still around, passed down one family of Magi similar to how Fragarach is amongst the Fraga).
If the spot isn't taken, it's safe to say that there's a 100% chance of her being Saber.
Although I suppose her Noble Phantasms might change a bit depending on the situation of her summoning (like how stats differ depending on the summoner and the location of the summoning)--for instance, none of the classes available suit her magic dagger Carnmennan, and we haven't seen her with her shield Prydwen.
***** wow. the more you know
When I learned more about Saber's background was a huge mindfuck for me.
White343 really? you've never read the arthurian legends?
Read Fate/Apocrypha. Saber of Red is Mordred. And she is awesome.
and when you find out Merlin gave saber a dick so no one would know she wasn't a man
would be nice if they made another fate series with both Mordred and arturia being revived for it and they both finally recognize each other and finally act like family after all wouldn't be that hard for Mordred to say it wasn't my fault i was brainwashed and enchanted by your sister to kill you, that last stab, i didn't even notice until i looked down.
Go watch Fate go Gudaguda , they both meet
Fanfic: Fragment of Chaldea and it's side story Their Guiding Light
Very good stuff, you will be satified about Mordred and Arturia.
It can't be possible because Arturia isn't in good terms with Mordred because, you know, kill her?
Link for Fragment of Chaldea ?
Nevermind. Found it.
Update : can't find _Their Guiding Light_ chapter.
they can't meet has servants because both are class saber, unless they were summoned in a great war, but they would be in opposing sides so... the story will repeat again :p
Esta escena me transmite más melancolía y tristeza que en Apocrypha, excelente música y con secuencias más completas ya que se ve cómo Mordred consigue apuñalar a Arturia antes de morir.
And no one questioned why their King wore a pretty skirt?
Skirts being a solely feminine thing is relatively recent. They are less confining for the legs, and so give you greater freedom of movement. She's also got those armor panels on the side, which would protect the sides of any horse she's riding.
*****
Maybe i'm speaking loosely but i don't recall any mn from those era wearing skirts, and Saber's even has lace :p
seth2901 Here's a pic of some medieval clothing. You've got a king in robes, and the soldier on the left has a skirt not all that shorter than Saber's.
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Fashion changes over time. Frills, lace, velvet, pink, and embroidery have all been appropriate clothing for men at various points in time. And sometimes clothes that men wore could be rather feminine by today's standards.
And note that as a Servant, she only appears with one set of clothing/armor; that which she wore as she lay dying. As a king, she would have had entire wardrobes of the stuff.
***** I still think Saber's outfit is too girly for a King and for someone pretending to b a man, but you are right :) thanks for the picture and the info :D
seth2901
Merlin also used magic to conceal her gender to the public.
The 6th grail war is something that needs to happen! Oh the possibilities! Mordred as Saber meets Arturia as either Rider or Lancer. Shirou giving himself to the grail as a Heroic Spirit to release Arturia from her contract. Illya and Waiver return as masters! This thing needs to happen!
Wow what? O.o
Well, hollow Ataraxia hardly wraps things up, so I'm hoping Type-moon follows Stay night and Hollow ataraxia with a proper equal. Thus, the 6th holy grail war, the possibilities are endless
6th Grail War is not possible although I'm very addicted to the series since Saber destroy the grail on the 5th war. Type-Moon could somehow make it reappear but it wouldn't make any sense.
Nate Jeremy Probably yes,but isn't F/HA a sequel?
Nate Jeremy Actually, it is possible and for it to make sense, you'll need a better understanding of what the Grail is. Virtually, the Grail system is a two-part tool used to blow a hole through dimensional space, allowing the user to reach Origin or better known as Akasha.
The Greater Grail is more or less a gateway that only opens when it has enough magical fuel to break through the dimensional barrier. The most effective fuel sources are obviously the Heroic Spirits, however if the Greater Grail were altered and moved to a Leyline such as the one in London, it could consume the souls of the many innocent citizens, blowing a hole through the barrier all the same. Even if the Greater Grail is destroyed like it was in the Heaven's Feel route, it can be replicated as seen in Strange Fake and Apocrypha.
The Holy Grail, or the Lessor Grail, is the container for the fuel and will only completely open the Greater Grail when seven heroic spirits have been sacrificed. This Grail is much smaller than the Greater grail and has always been contained in a living being such as Illyasviel. As this grail fills, secondary features such as personality and bodily functions cease to function in order to contain the vast amount of magical energy within themselves. Ultimately their life is sacrificed in order to open the path to Origin. Like the Greater Grail, if the Lesser grail is destroyed, another can be prepared.
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That's a link to a diagram with a step by step process of how it works.
When dormant, the Greater Grail gathers mana from the Fuyuki leyline until it has 60 years worth of mana. It takes 10 years of mana to summon the servants alone and another 50 years to open the gateway to Akasha. If the greater grail's primary function doesn't activate, then it will lie dormant for 10 years, if the greater grail does open the gate way to Origin, then it will lie dormant for 60 years.
In both the Unlimited Blade Works and Fate routes, no wish was made so the the greater grail will undoubtedly be full again in 10 years.
Also, what's seen in the anime is the destruction of the fuel source, neither of the grails were actually destroyed in the Fate Route. However the Heaven's feel route activated the Greater grail's primary function and destroyed itself so it would take 1-100 years to rebuild the grail and another 60 years to fill it.
I have a prediction. If lets say, there were a 6th Grail war that followed ten years after the events of Stay Night, it would be what's known as a Great Holy Grail War. I seriously doubt Shirou, Rin, Sakura, Illya, Bazett, Caren and Waver would seriously try and kill each other, thus it would invoke the Grail's secondary feature and name another seven Masters and servants. Perhaps Gaia awakens, sensing her own death and names her own Masters and Servants to combat those of Akasha. There's certainly room for another war.
Ivan Kuzmin Yes Hollow ataraxia is a sequel, but it isn't something that brings closure. Through out Stay Night, there is an event that is suppose to take place ten years after Stay Night. This event claims Shirou's life, nearly rips the magical world apart and brings about the true destruction of the grail.
gilgamesh said something similar in F/SN, that saber's loyalty to her country is what destroyed her.
her rebuttal was that gilgamesh doing whatever he wanted is what destroyed his country.
the mordred outfit is accurate to Fgo/ apocrypha design. but the hair.😂😂
they have to change to make sure she not too much like her father/mother
That is some serious overkill... first the sword splits the helmet in half (a killing blow against any normal human)... then she rams a war lance right through Mordred's heart... damn...
Ive been confused by this scene for a while, but now it makes sense to me.
Im honestly glad that they redisgn modred looks
especially her face
wow im stunned, mordred really looks like arthuria doppleganger here waww interesting and also the armor too!!!
Merlin explicitely warned her that upon picking up the sword she would stop aging. Arturia was still physically a teenager when she died, even countless years after picking it up. Though yes, as far as mental maturity goes she's hardly a child.
I doesn't shocked when Mordred will call shirou emiya "mother"
Lmfao.. new series confirmed 😂
Lol
All we are "allowed" to know about Saber from the Fate/Stay Night anime is, plainly put, her and Shiro. We get no insight on her life(except the regrets she has. I can not stop thinking about this, don't you think this is a huge burden on her? She never ever talked about this, killing her knight, and finding out it's her "son" in the process. As a king, as the king SHE was, had no one, and then to kill her "son". I wonder, how she feels about this. There is so much more to show about her. For example. who was she before pulling the sword out..
+Gandeloft Saber didn't care about killing her son. She abandoned every of her feelings back at that time. In fate zero she said herself that a human who choosed to be king, can't live like a normal person. It was natural for her to kill everybody who tried to take over the kingdom
That's just what her outside is, the thing I'm talking about it her herself, quite literally put, knowing her deeds, her being fully aware of the reality of her deeds/actions.
Well, the story already exists as the legend of king arthur, lol i get what you're saying, they should have told us more.
Being a king like Saber has a real tiring duty if someone trying to take her thrown and the kingdom she abandoned her feelings for that who would have thought a king protecting the Kingdom...and the kingdom didn't even protecting her but yet... bewitched her by Morgan itself
Saber couldn't look after Mordred since she never knew she had a child, until Mordred revealed herself, by then she'd hid her identity while joining the round table which is treason, then betrays her later on, prior that wanting to take over. Saber shouldn't have rejected her, but she had no bond to her. Morgan set them up to fight, and Saber beat her, but due to the curse, Mordred impaled her. Neither of them hate each other, Morgan planned it all though Mordred does want the throne, even by force, for a kingdom that's gone.
***** Her sword, Clarent, is a cursed weapon that hungers for blood. That's why she still stabbed without even meaning to.
*****
... the wiki should have spelled out pretty clearly who Mordred is. She's the homunculus daughter of Saber created by the sorceress Morgan Le Fay.
Guys I wait I think fate series had a deep meaning I just watch fate stay night unlimited blades works and all I know is a masters fight to win the holy grail but now after a deep search I'm confused tell me who Arturia and what about fate stay night game tell me everything you know please and thanks
Is Fate stay night come from a hentai game or what and thanks ^^
Isn't mordred saber or what ^^
I'm waiting for the flood of new Fate/Apocrypha viewers to come stampeding to this 10-year old video now.
Verkili To be fair, most probably don't know too much about Arthur/Artorious past the first story (The Sword in the Stone). They probably don't know who Mordred is, or his/her relationship with his/her father.
That being said, some come back, because it's a beautiful, yet tragic, scene.
Verkili Well, this appears in my suggestions, so, I see it.
King Arthur is my favorite character of the legends, but after knows about Fate, I have my doubts. The King Arthur in the Nasuverse is so...hateable. I don't want to know more of she. But I'm interested in the other characters of the Roundtable, so, I came here.
Ps: Now, the ED of Fate/Zero makes sense
GuardianSoulBlade ey, they skipped it not just because its not pretty, They are pretty bad.
Verkili Wait no more.. For I am HERE!!!!!!!
One of the few thing DEEN do a great job.
Fahru Riansyah Sadly, it is still better than what you will amount to in life and the way that shitty comment of yours was formed lol.
@@asuraspath2262 he;s not wrong tho. I'm one of the few defenders of the deen adaptation , since while the animation is old , and they do screw up quite a bit the fate route by inlucind ubw and hf elements , i still believe that it is overall the fate route... But that doesn't change the fact that the deen adaptation is miles behind anything done by ufotable.
The only things that deen did better IMO are a couple of scenes (like this one) and music. I honestly think that fsn 2006 had the best OST out of all fate works i've seen
0:52 これか。zeroのEDで映ってたのは
FGOで初めてアルトリアの槍を知った人はこう思ったであろう。
「ロンゴミニアド細くね?」
Nasu please... Give these two a closure...
WHY teachers dont teach this in class??
JuAn Ali Cause the tale of Camelot is only a legend.
@@awesomechainsaw actaully there is some proof that it may be real but no one actaully knows if it's true or not
في أي مسار تم عرض هذه الحلقة وهل هناك مسار خاص بإبتلاع الكأس لي انجرا مانيو او مجرد رواية لم يتم عرضها
"because you did not have the stature to be a king" - Yeah, and neither did you.
+Tower Knight To bad nobody had the brains or balls to tell her that before everything went to shit. Heck, the first she heard about her way of being king being wrong was when Iskander straight up and honestly said it TO HER FACE and Lancerlot only vaguely confirmed it on his death. I guess what I'm saying is, this whole mess could've been avoided if everyone had the guts to be straight with her. Saber may be stubborn, but even SHE has to stop and think when a whole COUNTRY say's she's doing something wrong.
+MasterSwo That's mean it was not completely her fault, her people at fault too because they never pointed it out to her. Beside Saber look like the type that will stop if people start suffer, because that her main motivation to be a good king anyway.
Kihara Noukan Exactly, which is why I can't fathom why no one was willing to be honest with her way back then.
I mean, there was one, but he was A. an assassin being payed to do so, and B. he was the only one, everyone else just kept say YES to everything Saber did and drowning him out.
Then Lancelot happened, and just when it looks like Saber will get a chance to get some perspective, BOOM a flipping war starts, and then after that, BOOM Modreds started a civil war while she was gone.
Lancelots rebellion was Sabers BEST CHANCE to realize that she had been making mistakes, but it wasn't the first. The reason she never noticed before then? Everyone kept hiding them. It's no wonder her kingdom became such a mess by the end, it was one before she even became king in the first place!
MasterSwo To be honest, Merlin also went up to Arthur during the closing days of his reign and basically said "dude, this is fucked up, stop it".
Heck, he said the same thing when he married Guinevere.
Tower Knight But then if just one or two guys say your not doing something right, and then EVERYONE ELSE (and I do mean EVERYONE) says the opposite, who are you most likely to listen to?
Definitely. All Mordred wanted was her acknowledgement, no different than any child (please note Mordred may look to be as old as her 'father' but she is a homunculus, and is actually a child in an adult body) and Arturia as king couldn't do that. That one thing all children want, and Arturia couldn't give it.
Ah yes, back when Mordred was actually Artoria's male clone
@zatch2000 21, I believe. Right after Shirou recovers from being impaled, then almost cut in half by Gilgamesh. Right before the rather tearful cooking scene and the kiss.
10 years ago?!?! OMFG!!!
Do i even want to know how Saber became the father to her son, who happends to also be a woman?
+Eri It's literally magic.
+Eri
Merlin's a douche.
+Eri merlin/morgana made artoria a temporary futo...
she probaply had a lover that knew about it -_-
easiest way to explain after that magic crap.
Merlin used magic to turn Saber into a pseudo male, Morgan Le Fay then used Arturias sperm to create a homunculous. That was Mordred.
Soundtrack name?
Ma poor boy... loved daddy too much.
Actually...she is a GIRL.
In Apoc...not Stay Night.
She's voiced by a girl and looks identical to Saber. Mordred is still a girl in the anime.
Sorry Da, its just not true. In Apoc they even state specifically that they are changing Mordred's gender from Fate Stay Night because Rider of Black ( Astolfo) is already a feminine boy; and they didn't want two feminine boys in the same novel.
Except you're wrong because she's obviously a girl in the video.
Both Gilgamesh and Alexander the Great both flat out told Saber that she isn't fit to be king in Fate/Zero. So... yeah, this got thrown at her face.
Still Arturia was the best king ever existed
saber a reçu la couronne a 15 ans et a régné 10 ans (ou 15, je suis pas sure). elle a passé l'age d’être considéré comme enfant.
saber received the crown at the age of 15 years and reigned 10 years (or 15, I'm not sure). she passed the age to be considered child
@DarthFanta exactly, thats is the answer the sword itself is the object to measure the conviction of those who wants to be king but only arturia was the right person to use excalibur and to rule the kingdom...
Mordred deserved better then some seconds in this episode. I love the arthurian Mordred
最初見た時理解できんかったけど、今見たらようやくわかったわ笑
@OmegaChosen0
Actually Mordred would be very overpowered as a Servant.
Humunculus. Check. Therefore super growth and strength. Oh and a ton of magic circuits. *Looks at Ilya*
Son of Saber. Check.
Noble Phantasm. Check. Clarent, used by Arthur to knight people. It can have an effect like always hitting the enemies shoulder.... that would be so awesome.
Wait what? Why don't I remeber this scene at all?? Like seriously we saw Mordered-chan already in the DEEN's adaptation!??!? How the hell did I forget about something as big as this?
this video is 10 year ago
Still wish they remake saber route 😌
Well the legend as put for the show
I like Clarent's version here better than Apocrypha's, tbh
Fate/Apocrypha, Modred is a girl and is summoned as Saber-class servant. Opposite Arthuria's personal, Modred is quite a playful girl with denim short and 2-strings shirt as casual cloth, in battle, she is brutal and cruelty.
from what can be seen in Fate/Apocrypha. It's a Girl (but still was born from Saber and Guinevere. Merlin gave her a "Magic Dick" so she could produce a heir)
Hola, vengo del Futuro y sigo sin creerme que esto allá sido parte importante en Fate/Apocrypha
@archer104 pero en la leyenda original Mordred no era el hijo incestuoso de Arturo y su hermana Morgana?
@DarthFanta she means whats is take to rule a kingdom , he doesnt retreat the sword from the stone that means he doesnt have the power, the vision, the love to the people... and what the series says the strenght of saber to pull out her emotions tu rule the kingdom with justice,,,,
for Saber it was the 'the king protecting the kingdom but the kingdom did not protect the king' where as gilgamesh more or less destroyed his own kingdom - hence why my saying taking anything gilgamesh has to say about someone not being fit to rule seriously is laughable
Havent read any of the VN but the moment they show Mordred in Fate Apocarypha I thought it was the same saber but with alter ego. Finally Mordred showed up after 10 years. lol
alguien que hable o lea español dejame dónde puedo ver el anime de esa escena o el capitulo
@fiercezero In this series it was revealed that "Arthur" was actually a woman, Arturia, who faked being a man (since no one would accept a female ruler at the time). Shirou was pretty freaked out himself when he found out!
@Contreras1991
in anime, woman often voice male characters. Sometimes you can hardly tell.
Thanks for this video :) Does anyone know the soundtrack playing in the background please?
Eien No Toga
/watch?v=U-nUfcs7UlI&index=5&list=PL1DAC719D9D4F7A57
Hopefully that link works but I dunno.
Thank you very much =D
@DarthFanta Basically she's saying Mordred isn't fit to rule.
Oh I just can't wait to be King!
Mordred after watching _The Lion King_
Mordred doesn't have a Noble Phantasm? In the Arthurian legends it is said that he had King Arthur's father sword Clarent. A sword that Arthur himself keep out of battles making it be called the sword of peace that he uses only in rituals such as crowning and knighting. Cold the sword that Mordred uses in this video be Clarent?
arturia a accepté que ses émotion l devait être sacrifié et sa vie personne réprimé pour le royaume. elle regrette de l'avoir imposé sur Guenièvre et Lancelot mais a continué pour le bien du royaume. elle est un roi responsable mais elle sacrifie son humanité y compris son statue de mère (ou de père ? ) . Mordred est par contre la plus grande victime ,mais sacrifier un royaume pour un individu ?
@OmegaChosen0
My friends and I play tabletop rpgs, and we did a grail war game. I ended up having to face Mordred once. Not fun.I somehow managed to win, but I had help from Joan of Arc and a Rider Servant.
Mordred is going to appear as a Saber-class servant in Fate/Apocrypha as Saber of "Red"
:D
though her appearance is a bit different here..
what fate series or episode is this
I need the English version
What episode is this from?
is this scene actually from the game or from the Studio Deen adaptation? and from which episode in the second case?
Giuseppe Piuma The Studios Deen.
Episode 21.
paolo geymet thanks
You're welcome ^^
From what is this?
2006 adaptation. Episode 21.
Really? Fate Stay Night? I don't remember this scene at all...
Deen's adaptation. Not Unlimited Budget Works.
UBW doesnt follow Arturias story so you would not have known about this for ufotables UBW adaption anyway
Like si viniste por lo de Fate Apocrypha :u XD
From what episode is this?
I feel for Mordred
@fiercezero Saber is king "Arturia Pendragon" meaning that as she could be the only one to rule due to the selection of the king (when she took the sword from the stone binding her fate to protect her kingdom) she was called "king" due to being the only ruller (A king is the one who rules and a queen is a king's wife). So resuming its not "King Arthur" it's "King Arturia" (a woman yes (heterosexual) )
@Blazeboy66 Well his master would need a Lot Of Mana
Due to Mordred being a Homunculus I guess
he would be a Saber with the price of a Berserker maybe?
@christianhdzm male or woman? becasue here and in spanish voice have a woman voice
昔こんな声だったんかモードレッド
I wait the remake of stay night *-*
@Contreras1991 Basicly its Arturia's twin sister.
@Contreras1991 modred was arturia (saber) father in that i mean the king of england before saber the reason that he is almost like saber in the face is because they are father and son and in a way to tell the audience that saber felt i littble bit guilty to see whats happen to her ...... ( her own people fight against her, meaning her vs her because the king represent the people).... bless..
What episode is this in fate/stay night?
Which anime arc of Fate was this?
@OmegaChosen0
It's also recognised as a sword that is for peaceful events and knightings, which is claimed to have been used by Mordred by stealing it.
Think about it. If Mordred was a servant... I can't think of a single weakness bar low life span... which is gone when he is a Servant.
Is this shown in fate stay night?
Yes, this is a clip directly from the episode 19, 20 or 21. Something like that.
What she is suppose to do. Protecting her people and throne. If Mordred isnt qualified in Saber's eyes, then too bad.
She is King and what says goes. Also, you dont know, maybe deep down she's in pain for having killed Mordred. :P
@OmegaChosen0
Yeah. So even if he wasn't "strong" here, he would be because of his legend. Despite being a "villian" him defeating Arthur causes Britain to change to what it is today, meaning he can qualify for a hero.
Fae+Dragon+HolySword+Homunculus+Extreme Growth Rate.
Saber was originally planned to be a man, according to how Fate/Prototype revealed how the set up for Fate/Stay Night was originally planned to be as before it changed to what it is now.
Mordred is the best Saber.
Actually Nasu confirmed she is a girl (i always knew it) . so those who said "he" was a dude r wrong.
@EffervescentPhantasm Continuing
If the Lady of the Lake managed to make Excalibur imagining Mordred with a Nameless Hax Phantasm wouldn't be out of expeculation...
I mean he went all Badass Final Combat his Sword and Armor must be pretty powerfull to endure against Excalibur's strikes well until it breaks
Which series is this?
fate stay night 2006
Is this scene 100% accurate to Arthurian Legends?
Idk why you're asking, but the answer is not simple.
Historically? Probably not, because if I remember correctly, there's only confirmation that Mordred (Medraut) was at Camlann and died there, with Arthur.
Generally? Close. By common knowledge this is basically what happened.
Technically? Fate's Arturia is as Canon as any other King Arthur, because there isn't a canon. (So that's yes.)
However, from the earliest Welsh tales I've read, no this is not accurate, Mordred and Arthur didn't kill each other. It was Saxons that killed them both, lining up more with history.
The legends can get really complicated. Especially where they mix in with possible real history or got Christianized. Like Merlin might be based on three different people, and Morgan Le Fey was first a helpful, healing fae who helped take Arthur to Avalon to heal, but then Christianization made her evil. Also Morgan wasn't supposed to be Arthur's sister. That's Morgause. (Gawain, Gareth, Gaheris, and Agravaine were actually Mordred's half-brothers.)
tldr: Depends on what source you're using for your legends.
she is not her father first (put in Arturia shoes please), they dont have a bond... Mordred know and want to be like Arturia because Morgan told she that arturia it's her """"father"""
mordred was made from saber's "sperm", so...
Not Blood. The type-moon version is a little more twisted. Arturia was temporarily transformed into a pseudo-male by Morgan Le Fey. Mordred is a homunculus created from sperm extracted from Arturia during that period.
This is from fate/stay night correct?
White Lotus The 2006 version, yes.
Reign thanks
she's gonna appear in Fate/Apocrypha as Saber of Red xD
everyone, lets stop all these shenanigans. ill point out two things to you. 1) saber may be a child mentally, but she still got swag when using excalibur. 2) gilgamesh is a prick in glowing armour, but is also very awesome. end of discussion
thumbs up if u wanna see Mordred in future works!
Episode?
fate stay night 2006 Episode 21
dudes she is a girl,she is a homonculus created by Morgan(Arthur's sister) btw in the new light novel she is Saber of Red.(Fate/Apocrypha)
what is this from
+Jacob Groder It's called "Fate/Stay Night".
It's Merlin's fault.