The problem is that Heartsteel's main appeal is the proc scales off of max HP, but Pyke's HP is hard capped so it's a flat scaling, whereas on other champs it scales exponentially. You only get about 2 AD per proc
@@IIIlIl you wouldn't even get that, like it would be really pathetic numbers. Assume you get it at level 5, you're getting 6 hp per proc, which isn't even 0.5 AD. Level 10 you're up to 9 hp per proc, level 18 you're hitting a grand total of 15 health for 1 AD per proc
Except it didnt work? Still squishy, no damage (for having 14 kills), just useless overall. Even a soraka would be scarier if she had 14kills. Just proves again that pyke is overnerfed and locked into 1 build path.
dude, actually i haven't tripped in a way of like seeing you playing really good, not tilting, and exploiting your limits in a hilarious way. i've really enjoyed this one, thank you.
@@suhnshaienepykes just overnerfed, which forces him into 1 build path to keep him viable. Cant change runes. Cant avoid lethality. Amazing game design riot.
@@suhnshaiene yep. its a fun champ, but it's honestly not even viable. blitz and tresh are better at the same job. The only niche real usage at the moment, is if the team is full tank and mostly AP. I.E.: Malph top, amumu JG, swain mid. Then pyke is a perfect pick.
I like this build, and I loved the video personally. But as a Fellow Pyke mid enjoyer, let me share my oppinion. I have played Pyke top/mid a few times (maybe 20 games top and around 15 mid), but in previus patches. The set up I liked the most, was: Runes: Hail of bladed Sudden impact Rellentless or Ultimate hunter Turret demolish Over growth And I like to build: BOTRK-Goredrinker-Titanic-Edge of night - Black Clever And I always go CD boots. Concepts: HOB+BOTRK+Clever= Big burst on basicly everyone, so your team can shred the frontline with you, so you can get your R reset on anyone. Titanic+Gore/Relenless+Demolish= Instant wave clear, so you can roam or threaten taking a plate. Edge+Gore-E= Easy dive on backline. Relentless+W = Roam Ultihinter + R + Titanic = Teamfight I hope you guys try this build out :-)
I'm actually amazed at how good your mechanics are at this game....you are too nice with it! P.S. Thanks for answering my "akshan" question the other day during stream.
I would love to see ypu playing burst seraphine with first strike and ludens into litchbane. Its actually so much fun seeing the passive stacked auto attack bursting a squishy to half health
I know you always say, "like, comment, subscribe" and im always like, i gotta remember to comment. Perhaps I never do because to be honest, I fall asleep alot during your videos. Not because youre boring or not very entertaining, its more just because I enjoy sleeping while you laugh at the poor souls you reap on a regualr basis. I guess what I am saying is, I love your content, and throughly enjoy you filling my naps with the sounds of peoples kda failing drastically whilst they attempt to out lane you. Thanks Zwag.
Hate me or not but i really like fimbulwinter hullbreaker combination. Gives you 120 ad, like 300 shield every Q or E and absurd amount of resistances. For me its optimal for flanking backlines and ones you get the resets going, the teamfight is over anyways. Else i can push sides and contest 1v1 like very good
At 25:54, she wasn't in the execute range when the ult hit but she still died. At 28:29, she was in the execute range but didn't die. I think that's because the game considers their HP when the X appears on the ground, not when it hits them.
The execute range includes all the x's directions, not only the center. Also, the animation from the x is smaller than the execute zone (fixed with proyect pyke).
hull breaker still secretly broken on pyke :3 nearly 90 ad on top of the resistances when solo, its on par with stuff like bloodthirster or ravenous for AD >:3 unfortunately the way heartsteel works it doesnt function on pyke, each stack gives minimum bonus forever so you get like 1 ad per stack at 30s a stack per champ :< similarly titanic gains nothing because bonus hp is seen as 0
yeah I just did the math for it to make sure I could tell people exactly why it's going to be trolling to do, heartsteel literally only gives 1 AD on pyke per stack at the last levels, all the way down to 0.5 per stack at level 5
Omg the early triple kill bot lane gank was clean!!! Btw Goredrinker add 75hp per Legendary item and I think that Black Cleaver could be really sweet too if you are running the Domination rune for the attack speed (which i think you did here). Anyways... nice video Zwag! :3
I just started playing playing this game - like 2-3 months ago and I have used pyke as a support, but oh my fucking god this is just beautiful to watch.
I haven't tried it but logically: pyke can't have bonus hp Titanic scales of bonus hp Therefore, titanic will only give the 30 base ad and none from passive.
fun fact about pyke Q: it widens at the end of it's flight if it hasn't hooked anything yet, and hooks the closest thing, basically extending the hitbox
heartsteel has 800 hp raw stat that would be converted into 57 ad . that is just 3 ad less than stridebreaker but you should get every heartsteel proc something like 20-35 stacks that would be 1-2 ad ever proc for sure . most games zwag your able to get 600-900 stacks in your videos so that would be 42-64 extra ad . so in total you get 99-121 ad only of that one item
I always wondered why ppl refuse to play bruiser items on Pyke. The Ad scaling on some items isn’t to bad to not be considered usable. Also if you want to try something stupid go Eclipse Fimbulwinter with shieldbash and revitalize. Those 500 + shields after every Q and E is quite funny.
Day 8 of asking for full attack speed + Quickblades Blitzcrank. Full Attack Speed makes your ult passive zap them to death while with quickblades you also have basically no cooldowns on E and make them bounce like a fluffy
Am i the only one that noticed shojin literally gave him zero bonus from hp? He went from 242 to 297 ad which is a 55 ad difference And thats exactly the base ad amount of shojin
I've thought about shojin pyke for a while because it gives close to 90 ad and makes him more slippery while low and gives cdr. Glad to see it played.
Now that you did this, I actually wonder how a Heartsteel Pyke would work with infinitely scaling AD
The problem is that Heartsteel's main appeal is the proc scales off of max HP, but Pyke's HP is hard capped so it's a flat scaling, whereas on other champs it scales exponentially. You only get about 2 AD per proc
I do also wonder if titanic would scale of off the heartsteel stacks amd pyke can douple dip
Have done it before, is fun, and funny but doesn't work too well
@@IIIlIl it's also super easy to stack on him so not bad
@@IIIlIl you wouldn't even get that, like it would be really pathetic numbers. Assume you get it at level 5, you're getting 6 hp per proc, which isn't even 0.5 AD. Level 10 you're up to 9 hp per proc, level 18 you're hitting a grand total of 15 health for 1 AD per proc
This is the most disrespectful game I've seen in my entire life
Im wheezing the whole enemy team was trying so hard and Zwag was just sidestepping everything and turning every engage with ease
I was getting tilted on behalf of the enemy team lol. The number of times he got away with 1hp
Very educational content, since watching Zwag I too have been missing all my Cannons
Ever sense I learned the conversion part of Pyke’s passive I’ve wanted to see a functional build. Thank you Zwag for making this work.
Except it didnt work? Still squishy, no damage (for having 14 kills), just useless overall. Even a soraka would be scarier if she had 14kills. Just proves again that pyke is overnerfed and locked into 1 build path.
Zwag: it’s 5am
Chat: it’s 7am
Zwag: Yeah well at 5am it was 5am
😂😂😂
in another parallel universe, this channel is named Zwag Pyke
dude, actually i haven't tripped in a way of like seeing you playing really good, not tilting, and exploiting your limits in a hilarious way. i've really enjoyed this one, thank you.
I expect a video from ioki tomorrow with the title "I tried Zwag's insane new pyke build"
Would surprise me. Ioki tryed it and said it sucks
@@Nebiros24 yeah trying to play as a pyke it's awful because you're so slow, and trying to play as a bruiser you're better off playing... a bruiser.
@@suhnshaienepykes just overnerfed, which forces him into 1 build path to keep him viable. Cant change runes. Cant avoid lethality. Amazing game design riot.
@@zDemoGODz it's maddening. There's no other champ restricted to exactly one role
@@suhnshaiene yep. its a fun champ, but it's honestly not even viable. blitz and tresh are better at the same job. The only niche real usage at the moment, is if the team is full tank and mostly AP. I.E.: Malph top, amumu JG, swain mid. Then pyke is a perfect pick.
The way Zag manages giving shutdowns to make the game longer is a masterclass in lol psicology honestly impresive.
I like this build, and I loved the video personally. But as a Fellow Pyke mid enjoyer, let me share my oppinion. I have played Pyke top/mid a few times (maybe 20 games top and around 15 mid), but in previus patches. The set up I liked the most, was:
Runes:
Hail of bladed
Sudden impact
Rellentless or Ultimate hunter
Turret demolish
Over growth
And I like to build:
BOTRK-Goredrinker-Titanic-Edge of night - Black Clever
And I always go CD boots.
Concepts: HOB+BOTRK+Clever= Big burst on basicly everyone, so your team can shred the frontline with you, so you can get your R reset on anyone.
Titanic+Gore/Relenless+Demolish= Instant wave clear, so you can roam or threaten
taking a plate.
Edge+Gore-E= Easy dive on backline.
Relentless+W = Roam
Ultihinter + R + Titanic = Teamfight
I hope you guys try this build out :-)
I'm actually amazed at how good your mechanics are at this game....you are too nice with it! P.S. Thanks for answering my "akshan" question the other day during stream.
“Did Zwag Xerath get the first 6 CS?”
No, he missed a caster minion
Lose Streak: 1
Then, he missed a melee and 3 caster minions
Lose Streak: 2
Why is TH-cam burying your comments. I have to hunt so deep
Did the math on steraks, it gives 132 AD for Pyke at level 18
the disrespect early on in the game is fkn crazy man
I would love to see ypu playing burst seraphine with first strike and ludens into litchbane. Its actually so much fun seeing the passive stacked auto attack bursting a squishy to half health
Zwag literally playing with his food 😂
"Ladies and gentlemen, introducing, the Chocolate Zwagfish and the Hotdog Flavoured Water! Bring it on! Get the F out!"
Lolllllz 😂
I know you always say, "like, comment, subscribe" and im always like, i gotta remember to comment. Perhaps I never do because to be honest, I fall asleep alot during your videos. Not because youre boring or not very entertaining, its more just because I enjoy sleeping while you laugh at the poor souls you reap on a regualr basis. I guess what I am saying is, I love your content, and throughly enjoy you filling my naps with the sounds of peoples kda failing drastically whilst they attempt to out lane you. Thanks Zwag.
28:30 "One more tick of ignite would have had her!"
-Didn't use ignite at all.
This was the funniest gameplay ever, the way you were just toying with them was hilarious!
5:39 katarina be like: I hate when the opponent assassin midlane roams and then gets fed! 😡
This was in a game I played before this video came out. Thank you zwag for going back in time to troll my league games.
I feel like pyke is perfect for items like deadman’s and spirit visage, raw def stat and ad from the hp
I do buy Deadman's on pyke supp if armor is needed
Hate me or not but i really like fimbulwinter hullbreaker combination. Gives you 120 ad, like 300 shield every Q or E and absurd amount of resistances.
For me its optimal for flanking backlines and ones you get the resets going, the teamfight is over anyways.
Else i can push sides and contest 1v1 like very good
AD increases gray health, Lethality increases the healing from gray health, and HP increases AD. This champ has all kinds of quirks.
And most of them are pointless, since he is locked into 1 build path to stay viable. Cant change runes. Cant change build path.
At 25:54, she wasn't in the execute range when the ult hit but she still died. At 28:29, she was in the execute range but didn't die. I think that's because the game considers their HP when the X appears on the ground, not when it hits them.
The execute range includes all the x's directions, not only the center. Also, the animation from the x is smaller than the execute zone (fixed with proyect pyke).
@@galleondejunini The range they're talking about is not the aoe range my friend, it's the hp range to be able to execute.
Not true, u can be in range and heal during the x animation and not get executed
@@Parqkr That's true, maybe it checks their HP just right before it hits, rather than when the X initially appears on the ground.
hull breaker still secretly broken on pyke :3 nearly 90 ad on top of the resistances when solo, its on par with stuff like bloodthirster or ravenous for AD >:3 unfortunately the way heartsteel works it doesnt function on pyke, each stack gives minimum bonus forever so you get like 1 ad per stack at 30s a stack per champ :< similarly titanic gains nothing because bonus hp is seen as 0
yeah I just did the math for it to make sure I could tell people exactly why it's going to be trolling to do, heartsteel literally only gives 1 AD on pyke per stack at the last levels, all the way down to 0.5 per stack at level 5
Omg the early triple kill bot lane gank was clean!!! Btw Goredrinker add 75hp per Legendary item and I think that Black Cleaver could be really sweet too if you are running the Domination rune for the attack speed (which i think you did here). Anyways... nice video Zwag! :3
Damn I didn't know Pyke's dance is the Haka.
Thats a more tilting the enemy champ then when you play leblanc. Died laughing as you played with your food.
THANKS MAN SO MUCH FOR BUILDING THIS I WAS COMMENTING, THANKS :)
This was a banger. One of your better ones
I just started playing playing this game - like 2-3 months ago and I have used pyke as a support, but oh my fucking god this is just beautiful to watch.
It never fails, wondering why I have a pyke feeding mid lane.. zwag dropped a new vid
im just putting it out here, do with it as you please, heartsteel
if hes bonus HP gos into ad, dosnt he stack AD a lot?
I’d like to see a bel veth video where you just steamroll the enemy team
Zwag that thumbnail goes hard bro
You know Zwags tired, when its 3 cs at 3minutes haha
Anyone got tips for the best op morde top build?
Hi Zwag can you play full letal Katarina?
I have waited so long for this
His ult scale whit ad ?
Pls answer
Feels like he constantly goes against Kats mid lol
ngl, I spent a lot of times being the support ADC to a rampaging Pyke supp. this video reminds me why.
Second skin of the day: Default Pyke.
He called the assassin player hotdog water 😂
Does Titanic Hydra stack with Pyke's effect?
I haven't tried it but logically: pyke can't have bonus hp
Titanic scales of bonus hp
Therefore, titanic will only give the 30 base ad and none from passive.
titanic does not work on pyke for this reason
great example of why pyke is my permaban
This strategy will boost your true damage, but not necessarily your physical damage as much as lethality. It depends.
When this buff come out ??
7:46 how in the world did that hit the minion, 200 years game design
fun fact about pyke Q: it widens at the end of it's flight if it hasn't hooked anything yet, and hooks the closest thing, basically extending the hitbox
@@lunaw2174 wtf
That sejuani played so well
Fyi, the top Norwegian football team in norway sells hotdog water during games as a delicacy in their home stadium. Just wanted to mention that.
Pls make a playtrough of ruined king the game is really amazing and ppl would love to watch you play it
Assassin mains complaining that assassins are weak while most midlaners and junglers play assassins
The sheer amount of disrespect you show with these 10% HP kills is hilarious to watch.
Outplayed!😂😂😂
This build even gets more ult execute dmg but the w movespeed and e stun duration is the only other reason to build lethality really
Whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna d-SHIT she leveled up!
Can u play shaco ad mid ??😊
heartsteel has 800 hp raw stat that would be converted into 57 ad . that is just 3 ad less than stridebreaker but you should get every heartsteel proc something like 20-35 stacks that would be 1-2 ad ever proc for sure . most games zwag your able to get 600-900 stacks in your videos so that would be 42-64 extra ad . so in total you get 99-121 ad only of that one item
Can I get a seraphine full haste video 🙏🥺 she's my main and I kinda would like a help video on how to play her
22:15 that moan(?) 😂
Day 9 of asking for full ap Tryndamere
I always wondered why ppl refuse to play bruiser items on Pyke. The Ad scaling on some items isn’t to bad to not be considered usable.
Also if you want to try something stupid go Eclipse Fimbulwinter with shieldbash and revitalize. Those 500 + shields after every Q and E is quite funny.
this idea is pretty nice
Try an on hit Orianna build using her passive damage. Start nashors, guinsoo, kraken slayer.
I would like to see an On-hit Taric. Keep up the great work. Day 51
Aurelion sol jg video? Seems like he would be awesome with e+q clear and w for ganks
More interesting than your friend's Pyke
Patiently waiting for Zwag to try impregnator Gragas
Bruisers items are broken as hell
Lol I didn’t know zwag needed mondo alive for a stack, oops my bad, was the illaoi top and was having a ball
the plays are insane
Second time request: Could you give one more chanse to crit olaf? Btw I was thinking of Navori on olaf instead of IE bc e becomes spamable in fights
Day 8 of asking for full attack speed + Quickblades Blitzcrank.
Full Attack Speed makes your ult passive zap them to death while with quickblades you also have basically no cooldowns on E and make them bounce like a fluffy
Can you try a game where you don’t build items until 8 minutes
No one builds winters anymore... it can really be amazing on aloy of champs. But assassins seem to bring out the bully in zwag.
literally fishing with pike
28:30 was ticking from minion dmg
Can’t wait to see ioki to stealing this
Literally been playing since before pyke was released and never noticed his dance is the Hakka. (sorry if not spelled correctly)
It was one of the main reasons I wanted to play Pyke when he first came out (one K in Haka, very close)
heartsteel plus grasp? then build a titanic
Can we get another ap rammus vid?
Pyke no longer climbs alive, why? XDD 5:51
You're so troll. I. Love. It.
Did a similar build almosy a year ago and went like 34/5/15. Its unbelievable broken, but definitely situational
Should build heartsteel tho
How can you read my mind i litteraly told my brother to do this build with me like 2 days ago
huh maybe you dont need lethality for a true damage execute after all
Zwag is a master baiter.
Am i the only one that noticed shojin literally gave him zero bonus from hp?
He went from 242 to 297 ad which is a 55 ad difference
And thats exactly the base ad amount of shojin
Thats from completing the item. He had 35 (10 +25 AD) already from the Long Sword/Pickaxe that went into it
Day 31 of doing cardio to Zwag videos
Day 92 of asking for full attack speed Gwen with Rageblade and lethal tempo
For some reason AD Items have a higher Haste than AP.
Would love to see max move-speed skarner!! See how far you can drag someone! Day7
Hi Zwag can u do full life steal Yasuo plsss
Wtf when did they update pyke default skin
episode 3 of asking for tank ivern because daisy and heartsteel