I drove past the Austrian - German border in Suben yesterday. Parked on the side were two lorries carrying a Plasser & Theurer tamping machine with rail-measuring module in the same "KiwiRail" livery. Unfortunately, I didn't have a camera with me.
I remember when the new Hungarian units arrived in Wellington back in the early 80s. I was on the shunt that brought them from the wharf to the main yards. They were so paranoid about scratching the,that they halted all other movements in the yards.
Living in gisborne, we have no rail. I grew up watching trains move on schedule through my town so it would be weird to adjust to at this point, but whatever kiwirail is up to, its not marketing itself well or doing what it does well. The equipment looks pretty battered and they wasted lots of cash on the failure for the new interislander. We can learn from the rest of the world that trains are kinda useful and we should have a continuous network. Gisborne could be logging and transporting goods if that wasnt isolated to trucks and planes, im not sure where else is missing access to these, but kiwi rail is making no money from napier to opotiki. Thats a bit of food, wood and people that might fund these new units…
Problem is that the new Government in 2017 looked into reinstating rail to Gisborne, but lobby groups in Gisborne managed to shut them out via the local council such at the port and trucking companies.
A wood pellet mill might work for Gisborne, if the power is available (or more generation built and the power lines upgraded etc. Load the pellets on a ship.
There was no "failure". The three headed taniwha wasted the money on the new interislanders when they cancelled the deal in the most petulant childish un-business like fashion. Those clowns cancelled it with no plan B and you just wait until the cancellation costs are revealed
The trains went to Gisborne. The only time they went through was prior to 1959 when there was a line to Moutohora heading toward but never reaching the Bay of Plenty. Even then they would have needed to reverse at Gisborne to do so.
@@danieleyre8913 Yes, the lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway. Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
Well since Deiselisation; it’s only the second time the south Island has needed its own dedicated locomotives, the previous time being the DJ class, which were ideal for the Taieri gorge.
Oh and none of the locomotives were ever handed-down from the north island tot he South Island, that is a very insecure way to perceive it. Locomotives in NZ were universal until the DL class, but that was because many viaducts in the South Island can’t handle the weight of the DL’s. The DL’s aren’t exactly great anyway, the South Island haven’t missed out on much.
Just as likely these will end up going to the north island over time as the crappy DLs up there are all junked and dumped. The last 10 of this order of DMs was planned on getting equipped with ETCS so they can run in the North Island. They may end up adding ETCS to more of these than planned to enable their use in the N. I. Looking forward to (not) hearing these trundle up Waiareka Bank heading south from Oamaru. Soon.
@@gregnikoloff5488 It’s definitely very possible that the DM’s may end up operating in the North Island, especially if the DL’s are deemed not worthy of being refurbished. A few of the original batch of DL’s have already been scrapped. And given how the fortunes of Kiwirail and railways in general seems to be tied with which party is in government. ACT have a big say in the current government and the Nat’s have gone further to the right wing. But the fact is that the older locomotives from the 1960s and 70s are ending their lives. So whatever happens; the DM’s will be used in the South Island.
@@danieleyre8913 the best result is the DMs are so good they buy more of them for NI use and scrap the DLs as they reach the point of being uneconomic to repair. If most DLs are not already there that is. I hear KR do plan to run the active (NI at least) fleet 24x7. So have fewer locos in total and run them continuously. Til they need their next service. More like a aircraft way of working. So fewer good quality locos all round will be the future. If so 57 or so DMs might just outdo the larger number of inferior DLs.
@geoffmackley Or a foreign buyer. Mainfreight certainly have been vocal with the direction of rail and the mismanagement of it recently. It has the appearance KR management is preparing it for sale.
@@danieleyre8913 I think the KR company wide call for voluntary redundancies is a very clever thing done by Peter Reidy - on so many levels. This has elevated KRs situation right into the cabinet room in government. Effectively KR has shat on the cabinet table. And you know Winston and NZ First will now be beating up National and Act over their dogma led belief in road transport for everything. Having cocked up the ferry replacements. So instead of KR quietly going broke and no one noticing, this makes it front page news - for weeks. If not months. KR gets to choose who they make redundant at the end of the day. But if the whole of KR staff stick their hand up to go, then that's not a problem any government can simply ignore. Anymore than Labour could ignore Air NZ basically going broke in the early 2000s. Being faced with roads clogged solid with freight if KR close down. Mark my words. This will bring down the coalition government - sooner than you think. Winston will not allow KR osures or privatisation. (again).
@@danieleyre8913kool story. Im a Swinglift Operator,carting shipping containers around the BOP,from either Kiwirail Yard or Port Of Tauranga. I deliver full/empty containers to the customer's sites.Not all containers are delivered to industrial areas......clearly you dont work in container logistics.
Yes, agree, the trucking cos (while we need them to be efficient and make a profit) are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway. Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
We would be the laughingstock of the world, if we got rid of rail. Our roads aren’t built for heavy haulage. Rail is cheaper. We don’t pay road tax, or fuel tax as trucking firms do, which is revenue for the government. We need to keep the trains. These new ones are long over due.
That could have been a translation mix up. Chinese Engineer to Kiwrail Exec; You want Asbestos? - good value! Kiwrail exec: Yes, thinking the Chinese fellow was referring to value for money for the loco: says in Kiwi rapid-speak: 'Asbestas value' money can buy. Hence the issue.
@kevinsharp6323 reality is, e.g. in Europe, rail is underutilised while trucks are overutilized. Maybe the supply chain is cheaper to calculate. Plus storing a container on a truck stop doesn't cost anything.
Ugh! Pleas try getting informed. These were ordered 5 years ago, under the last government, before the new government came along and cut funding and put KIwirail people’s jobs under threat. The locomotives they’re replacing are now reaching 50 years old, they’ve already been refurbished twice, they’re at the end of their lives and becoming unsafe.
(*sighs*) These were ordered years ago under the last government, before anyone could conceive this hopeless government and their big cuts and lack of vision.
There has been a lot of that going on. There always a need for new rolling stock as the fleet ages. Kiwi Rail has different classes in different states of life. It is normal, like any fleet of vehicles.
@@louinz Also the old locomotives are over or almost 50 years old now. Rolling stock generally is designed to have a working lifespan of 45 years with refurb’s every 15 years. NZ needs new locomotives.
Didn't we use to make trains here in NZ... Oh that's right, it's better to give another country money than spend it here... Next we'll be paying Hong Kong millionaires to park in our own towns.. Oh wait. (The amount of Wilson Pay Parks in Christchurch destruction sites after the earthquake was utterly disgusting.)
@@danieleyre8913 The DE Shunters. There's a couple at Silverstream I believe. I've watched them trying to get a Chinese DL? running at the Hutt Workshop... Hilarious.. like an early 1900's 2 strike diesel car.. Bang.... Bang Bang Bang... Bang... Bang...Bang...... Bang.... Bang Bang...... As smooth as Everest...
To run trains to replace locos of the DX class that arrived here in the earlier part of the 1970s. Long overdue replacement. Don't see many trucks last that long, because that is they receive a huge indirect subsidy to truck infrastructure so truck cos can afford to replace sooner. .
I know how to drive them AC traction like the AC4400cws in canada. If stuff up the traction motors will cause a trackside fire . laugh. (same wage as tamper group Kiwirail)
Awesome. Lucky National didn't get the chance cancel these so their trucking friends could get more trucks on the road. I think the government at present are looking on Trade Me for the next generation Cook Strait ferries. First prerequisite is no rail, so I suggest contacting Fuller Ferries in Auckland. They must have a few spares and definitely without rail.
Think all you like but the reality is that Kiwirail should not be relying endlessly on the taxpayer to stay afloat. The ferry saga was so embarrassing that I wondered how inept the management is if that's an example of their consistent attitude.
@@terrybrown8539 So are you also fine with the government also propping up road freight? Or are you cool with the roads being tolled on a user pays basis? As for the ferry: It’s a lemon that was forced on Kiwirail and was set to be replaced. But it got cancelled for tax cuts hmm aren’t we all swimming in dough now?
@@terrybrown8539 Blaming Kiwirail for a lack of Govt financial management...NZ should have been saving for new ferries because its obvious the current ones must wear out sometime. Also the truck lobby had a hissy fit at larger rail ferries because that means competition....we can't have that but we can insist continued billions thrown at roads, and more potholes because suddenly we can't afford to repair the damage done by the heavy trucks. The truck lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway. Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
Get a grip. Toll owned it for 4 years and in spite of the tax payer still paying $200 million to maintain the infrastructure , completely failed to achieve anything other than promote road transport , Toll's main focus. An obvious attempt at "embrace and extinguish"
Yes, the lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway. Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light. In other words, rail uses one fifth the fuel for the same load, can achieve bigger payloads, but needs volumes and value added freight.....and we seem to have billions to spend every year on roads via the taxpayer and foreign loans, but little money for anything else. You are blaming the rail company...whats at fault is the failed market and political/lobby system ripping off the taxpayer.
Yes, the road transport lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway. Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
@@brentsummers7377 these were ordered years ago. We *can* afford new ferries no less than we can afford the tax cuts that have had no effect on our economy.
They are diesel electric. They are much like the hybrid cars on our roads...but minus the batteries. The diesel runs at best revs taking into account the load required to be moved and the speed selected. No gearbox that could fit in the chassis could take the torque of moving a laden train...... These engines are the most fuel efficient and hopefully the longest lasting that our Pacific Peso can buy.....
These trains have many magnitudes lower emissions per tonne shifted than the alternative of shifting the freight by trucks on the road. If you imagine that they could have bought electric locomotives then you must be hilariously uninformed. Beyond the fact that electrifying the South Island network would not be remotely economical: Didn’t you hear the news about how meatworks and factories in Nz are closing because electricity is too expensive? Thanks to privatisation; Nz electricity generation has not kept up with demand.
Well they will be a lot greener than past diesels.....more powerful, more tractive effort, less emissions, fuel efficient, less noisy, noting NZ has a low population of relatively low average IQ especially at the political level....so electrification of a rail network isn't possible when billions are thrown at roads annually to subsidise the trucking lobby.
As an Aussie I love these beautiful locos.
I drove past the Austrian - German border in Suben yesterday. Parked on the side were two lorries carrying a Plasser & Theurer tamping machine with rail-measuring module in the same "KiwiRail" livery. Unfortunately, I didn't have a camera with me.
@@WhiteBoxProductions schiezer !
I remember when the new Hungarian units arrived in Wellington back in the early 80s. I was on the shunt that brought them from the wharf to the main yards. They were so paranoid about scratching the,that they halted all other movements in the yards.
@@manic65cvn Wow
Is it true the seating arrangement was all to one side with the aisle on the other when the Ganzs first arrived?
In the 70’s we pushed for a redesign of that terminal but the unions pushed back on us
@@JonLove1975No not true. I went on them when new.
@@Phil-oj5nr that's why I asked.
Living in gisborne, we have no rail. I grew up watching trains move on schedule through my town so it would be weird to adjust to at this point, but whatever kiwirail is up to, its not marketing itself well or doing what it does well. The equipment looks pretty battered and they wasted lots of cash on the failure for the new interislander. We can learn from the rest of the world that trains are kinda useful and we should have a continuous network. Gisborne could be logging and transporting goods if that wasnt isolated to trucks and planes, im not sure where else is missing access to these, but kiwi rail is making no money from napier to opotiki. Thats a bit of food, wood and people that might fund these new units…
Problem is that the new Government in 2017 looked into reinstating rail to Gisborne, but lobby groups in Gisborne managed to shut them out via the local council such at the port and trucking companies.
A wood pellet mill might work for Gisborne, if the power is available (or more generation built and the power lines upgraded etc. Load the pellets on a ship.
There was no "failure".
The three headed taniwha wasted the money on the new interislanders when they cancelled the deal in the most petulant childish un-business like fashion.
Those clowns cancelled it with no plan B and you just wait until the cancellation costs are revealed
The trains went to Gisborne. The only time they went through was prior to 1959 when there was a line to Moutohora heading toward but never reaching the Bay of Plenty. Even then they would have needed to reverse at Gisborne to do so.
@@danieleyre8913 Yes, the lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway.
Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
well done geoff thanks for this
@@TheDon2101 Cheers
They look pretty nice, kinda like fancier DLs.
Would have been a nice match with the new Cook Strait ferries, but hey, NZ progress at its best.
Here's hoping that their horns sound better than the DL ones.
One of the rare occasions the South Island is getting brand new locos, rather than hand-me-downs from the North Island?
Well since Deiselisation; it’s only the second time the south Island has needed its own dedicated locomotives, the previous time being the DJ class, which were ideal for the Taieri gorge.
Oh and none of the locomotives were ever handed-down from the north island tot he South Island, that is a very insecure way to perceive it.
Locomotives in NZ were universal until the DL class, but that was because many viaducts in the South Island can’t handle the weight of the DL’s. The DL’s aren’t exactly great anyway, the South Island haven’t missed out on much.
Just as likely these will end up going to the north island over time as the crappy DLs up there are all junked and dumped. The last 10 of this order of DMs was planned on getting equipped with ETCS so they can run in the North Island.
They may end up adding ETCS to more of these than planned to enable their use in the N. I.
Looking forward to (not) hearing these trundle up Waiareka Bank heading south from Oamaru. Soon.
@@gregnikoloff5488 It’s definitely very possible that the DM’s may end up operating in the North Island, especially if the DL’s are deemed not worthy of being refurbished. A few of the original batch of DL’s have already been scrapped. And given how the fortunes of Kiwirail and railways in general seems to be tied with which party is in government. ACT have a big say in the current government and the Nat’s have gone further to the right wing. But the fact is that the older locomotives from the 1960s and 70s are ending their lives. So whatever happens; the DM’s will be used in the South Island.
@@danieleyre8913 the best result is the DMs are so good they buy more of them for NI use and scrap the DLs as they reach the point of being uneconomic to repair. If most DLs are not already there that is.
I hear KR do plan to run the active (NI at least) fleet 24x7. So have fewer locos in total and run them continuously. Til they need their next service. More like a aircraft way of working.
So fewer good quality locos all round will be the future.
If so 57 or so DMs might just outdo the larger number of inferior DLs.
At the rate Kiwirail is going there won't be anyone to drive, service or maintain them, certainly no customers who will need them.
@LozzaTurbo It's not really the happy occasion it should be, Mainfreight are the clear outfit to take it over in my books
@geoffmackley Or a foreign buyer. Mainfreight certainly have been vocal with the direction of rail and the mismanagement of it recently. It has the appearance KR management is preparing it for sale.
We won't have our new ferries, which is part and parcel of NZ progress at its best. At least we're clean and green NZ. That joke cheered me up.
No mate we got a few DEI coming from the Navy, yeah can't sink a train.
@@geoffmackleyThat’s if this government doesn’t just collapse once Winston’s turn as deputy PM runs out and bumbling Seymour takes over.
Looking forward to seeing those locos in action between Ōtira and Arthur's Pass
@ttm2609 yeeep that's true. Sad they disconnected the electric locomotive use there.
I'm surprised these weren't cancelled and each replaced by 3 nice clapped out second hand corollas welded together
Good-looking locomotive!
Nice to see it arrive safely.
Wonder how much those D shackles can hold?! guessing they are not from MITRE 10 🤣
Definitely not Dunnigs either......
Off the shelf at Hayes Hardware, Invercargill.
Yes it’s welcome news.
But it’s against a sad and concerning backdrop of Kiwirail offering voluntary redundancies.
@@danieleyre8913 I think the KR company wide call for voluntary redundancies is a very clever thing done by Peter Reidy - on so many levels. This has elevated KRs situation right into the cabinet room in government. Effectively KR has shat on the cabinet table.
And you know Winston and NZ First will now be beating up National and Act over their dogma led belief in road transport for everything. Having cocked up the ferry replacements. So instead of KR quietly going broke and no one noticing, this makes it front page news - for weeks. If not months.
KR gets to choose who they make redundant at the end of the day.
But if the whole of KR staff stick their hand up to go, then that's not a problem any government can simply ignore. Anymore than Labour could ignore Air NZ basically going broke in the early 2000s. Being faced with roads clogged solid with freight if KR close down.
Mark my words. This will bring down the coalition government - sooner than you think. Winston will not allow KR osures or privatisation. (again).
"You don't need to take a million"
Do they actually have a front and back end or the same each end?
@@rossdixon514 They’re double ended but yes one end is the front.
Bit like a pretty woman, you gotta check out each end.
2:02 someone taking foamergraphs?
@@thepointlesstroll5702 haha
Not too bad alooker. Thanks for uploading this vid. do you know where they are made and how many are we getting??
I don’t mean to be rude, but google is your friend.
Surprised they didn't come wrapped up like the DL's
They did come wrapped. There's official footage of staff cutting it off on the ship prior to craning onto the wharf/truck.
now get the trucks containers onto rail :)
And then how do you get said container,from Rail yard to customers site??
@@rogergotstoned3291 Not many customers take the full container.
@@rogergotstoned3291Clearly you don’t work in logistics. Aside from industrial customers; none receive full containers.
@@danieleyre8913kool story. Im a Swinglift Operator,carting shipping containers around the BOP,from either Kiwirail Yard or Port Of Tauranga. I deliver full/empty containers to the customer's sites.Not all containers are delivered to industrial areas......clearly you dont work in container logistics.
Yes, agree, the trucking cos (while we need them to be efficient and make a profit) are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway.
Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
How did they get it to ChCh ? Or was it setup in Lyttelton ?
Trucked from the wharf and placed on rail at Lyttelton yards
@@waynzus I did wonder. Thanks.
We would be the laughingstock of the world, if we got rid of rail. Our roads aren’t built for heavy haulage. Rail is cheaper. We don’t pay road tax, or fuel tax as trucking firms do, which is revenue for the government. We need to keep the trains. These new ones are long over due.
@@gillianbrewer9607 Well the government that last got elected doesn’t see it that way.
Hopefully these don’t come with bonus surprise asbestos like the DLs did…
That could have been a translation mix up. Chinese Engineer to Kiwrail Exec; You want Asbestos? - good value! Kiwrail exec: Yes, thinking the Chinese fellow was referring to value for money for the loco: says in Kiwi rapid-speak: 'Asbestas value' money can buy. Hence the issue.
Who you trying to get crazy with ése?
Don't you know I'm loco?
Was this today?
@@trainspotterdl Just now
“LOCO” Seymour not present😂😂😂😂
are they electric
Diesel Electric according to Wikipedia.
Of course not.
There’s no electrification in the South Island.
Delivered by road. About sums up transport in NZ today.
@@h1aa No they were just driven a short distance to the railway sidings.
See in the background practise paddling for the next ammericas cup
Nice to see some new motive stock for Kiwi Rail. Just wish the Government would support it some more
If the government needs to support it, that means it's not commercially viable.
@@warren3967 They won’t.
Lobby the opposition to and help get them elected next election. It may be sooner than is scheduled.
The trucks need to come off the roads the roads weren't made for heavy trucks
And we'd starve in a couple of weeks. We need both actually, and Im an avid rail buff.
@kevinsharp6323 reality is, e.g. in Europe, rail is underutilised while trucks are overutilized. Maybe the supply chain is cheaper to calculate. Plus storing a container on a truck stop doesn't cost anything.
Where are the north island ones😂😂😂😂😂
I agree hutt workshop could of done the same they should of put $ into ferries
Why new locomotives? It doesn't look like KR will be around much longer
I think the railways will still be around for a long time. This government on the other hand…
And to pay for them many staff are going TO LOSE THERE JOBS, what happened to the refurbish option.
Ugh!
Pleas try getting informed. These were ordered 5 years ago, under the last government, before the new government came along and cut funding and put KIwirail people’s jobs under threat.
The locomotives they’re replacing are now reaching 50 years old, they’ve already been refurbished twice, they’re at the end of their lives and becoming unsafe.
(*sighs*)
These were ordered years ago under the last government, before anyone could conceive this hopeless government and their big cuts and lack of vision.
There has been a lot of that going on. There always a need for new rolling stock as the fleet ages. Kiwi Rail has different classes in different states of life. It is normal, like any fleet of vehicles.
@@louinz Also the old locomotives are over or almost 50 years old now. Rolling stock generally is designed to have a working lifespan of 45 years with refurb’s every 15 years. NZ needs new locomotives.
Didn't we use to make trains here in NZ... Oh that's right, it's better to give another country money than spend it here...
Next we'll be paying Hong Kong millionaires to park in our own towns.. Oh wait.
(The amount of Wilson Pay Parks in Christchurch destruction sites after the earthquake was utterly disgusting.)
The Lima agreement of 75 explains the lack of Industry left in NZ and Aust!
NZ hasn’t made any locomotives since the steam train days, last built in the 1950s.
@@danieleyre8913we used to maintain them though
@@danieleyre8913 The DE Shunters. There's a couple at Silverstream I believe.
I've watched them trying to get a Chinese DL? running at the Hutt Workshop...
Hilarious.. like an early 1900's 2 strike diesel car..
Bang.... Bang Bang Bang... Bang... Bang...Bang...... Bang.... Bang Bang......
As smooth as Everest...
@@Lazydaisy646 And we never stopped maintaining them.
Where are they made? Hope fully not China.
They are built in Spain by Stadler, a major European rolling stock manufacturer.
What is that? What are those used for in New Zealand?
To run trains to replace locos of the DX class that arrived here in the earlier part of the 1970s. Long overdue replacement. Don't see many trucks last that long, because that is they receive a huge indirect subsidy to truck infrastructure so truck cos can afford to replace sooner. .
I know how to drive them AC traction like the AC4400cws in canada. If stuff up the traction motors will cause a trackside fire . laugh. (same wage as tamper group Kiwirail)
looks like plastic junk. should bought some EMD.s
nah also not realy what they were years ago...
These are likely better than EMD's. More cost effective, more reliable, less polluting, and efficient too.
Awesome.
Lucky National didn't get the chance cancel these so their trucking friends could get more trucks on the road.
I think the government at present are looking on Trade Me for the next generation Cook Strait ferries. First prerequisite is no rail, so I suggest contacting Fuller Ferries in Auckland. They must have a few spares and definitely without rail.
I thought it was Timu
Think all you like but the reality is that Kiwirail should not be relying endlessly on the taxpayer to stay afloat. The ferry saga was so embarrassing that I wondered how inept the management is if that's an example of their consistent attitude.
@@terrybrown8539 So are you also fine with the government also propping up road freight? Or are you cool with the roads being tolled on a user pays basis?
As for the ferry: It’s a lemon that was forced on Kiwirail and was set to be replaced. But it got cancelled for tax cuts hmm aren’t we all swimming in dough now?
@@terrybrown8539 Blaming Kiwirail for a lack of Govt financial management...NZ should have been saving for new ferries because its obvious the current ones must wear out sometime. Also the truck lobby had a hissy fit at larger rail ferries because that means competition....we can't have that but we can insist continued billions thrown at roads, and more potholes because suddenly we can't afford to repair the damage done by the heavy trucks.
The truck lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway.
Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
No way would you deliver these to Picton in a ship sorry this is not a ferry
Pity they don't let real companies run the NZ rail........the biggest money waste in NZ
Rail is not a waste... roading projects are still needed but current roads should be improved
Get a grip.
Toll owned it for 4 years and in spite of the tax payer still paying $200 million to maintain the infrastructure , completely failed to achieve anything other than promote road transport , Toll's main focus.
An obvious attempt at "embrace and extinguish"
@@cindykenyon8860 you know that how Cindy?
Yes, the lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway.
Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
In other words, rail uses one fifth the fuel for the same load, can achieve bigger payloads, but needs volumes and value added freight.....and we seem to have billions to spend every year on roads via the taxpayer and foreign loans, but little money for anything else. You are blaming the rail company...whats at fault is the failed market and political/lobby system ripping off the taxpayer.
Yes, the road transport lobby groups are indirectly subsidised by the taxpayer and expect to continue with the notion that others indirectly pay for a large portion of their business costs. Problem also, is we expect one rail company to run against thousands of truck companies instead of integrating them as a system. The taxpayer directly funds most of the truck infrastructure even though the truck companies pay a portion, truck cos externalise much of their infrastructure cost (there are some benefits for all of us, to do so). But if the truck companies all had to buy, own, get a loan and pay for their own infrastructure, and pay a profit and dividend (as rail does) they wouldn't be able to operate economically. If they owned rolling stock and worked together, they would simply hire locos and run trains for bulk volumes via main centers, and wouldn't need to otherwise pass revenue to another co to do so (which is why they don't). In that way, they could choose when to run trucks for some urgent loads. And use the rest more locally. With containerisation load change isn't the drama it was....many trucks often interchange loads from large to small for local delivery now anyway.
Currently the industry leaves rail to haul non-urgent low value bulk commodities, with the exception of dairy products. Its past time to price road and rail and balance the externalisation of costs/internalisation. By also having a charging regime that when it reaches a given threshold of road use, would then trigger rail investment and usage pricing where volumes reach a given point at which it is economic for truck companies to co-operate to run rail, with Govt owning locos and track....no monopoly versus private enterprise. Its time NZ saw the light.
They should be getting delivered new ferries not trains!
We need both
Go complain to the government they still won't do shit
These were ordered years ago by the last government, who also ordered the ferry replacements which the current government cancelled.
Wow! NZ is too poor to buy new ships anymore but at least we can afford new locomotives.😂🤣
@@brentsummers7377 these were ordered years ago.
We *can* afford new ferries no less than we can afford the tax cuts that have had no effect on our economy.
We seem to be too busy sinking them or running worn out ships aground. Locos are probably more likely to stay afloat.
Where are these Locos made? Communist China?
@@robertmiller2173 As in the description..... Spain.
Ah no.
As a rudimentary google could have told you, or reading the video description, they are built in Spain, by a Swiss company.
Moron
For a country that brags about being green, they surely love these diesel engines. Kiwi rail seems to be going backward.
They are diesel electric.
They are much like the hybrid cars on our roads...but minus the batteries.
The diesel runs at best revs taking into account the load required to be moved and the speed selected.
No gearbox that could fit in the chassis could take the torque of moving a laden train......
These engines are the most fuel efficient and hopefully the longest lasting that our Pacific Peso can buy.....
What on earth are you on about man the engines are way more efficient than ones on the DCs and DXs... should see the smoke and fumes from them...
These trains have many magnitudes lower emissions per tonne shifted than the alternative of shifting the freight by trucks on the road.
If you imagine that they could have bought electric locomotives then you must be hilariously uninformed.
Beyond the fact that electrifying the South Island network would not be remotely economical: Didn’t you hear the news about how meatworks and factories in Nz are closing because electricity is too expensive? Thanks to privatisation; Nz electricity generation has not kept up with demand.
Well they will be a lot greener than past diesels.....more powerful, more tractive effort, less emissions, fuel efficient, less noisy, noting NZ has a low population of relatively low average IQ especially at the political level....so electrification of a rail network isn't possible when billions are thrown at roads annually to subsidise the trucking lobby.