I have over the years repaired and serviced all the class 60 brake compressors and trust me they are very powerful pieces of equipment along with the locomotives. I think you’ll find the driver is being very careful and the initial movement is taking up the slack on the couplings then he applies more power to get it going 😊
It looks to me like he took up slack then stalled due to not calling for enough power, after it stalled if you look carefully sand gets put down to get it moving. It is easier to get a consist moving whilst taking up slack because you are effectively puling and adding 1 wagon at a time instead of everything at once. When the train stalled there was no slack left and it became a full dead weight in one full length. It would have been better to call for more power sooner to keep momentum and not come to a stop after taking slack.
@@mightynosebleed7476 I used to think the same until someone taught me about snatching. If you have a freight loco drive off too fast then the couplings in quick succession pull taught. each wagon weighs 100 tonne, once several pull taught this easily outweighs the loco many times over. Hmm, best way I can think of is when a toddler in a harness runs away from an adult, it pulls taught and the toddler bounces around, left right and up and down. The train version of this can cause the loco to jump off the tracks. Not sure if this analogy works for everyone but I have witnessed myself a 60 doing this separating several wagons that need fixing out of a rake of 25 biomass wagons. The driver wasn't giving it enough welly to derail it but she did keep jumping around half as bad when doing it. Some right good thrash for me though!
You would get this if you just pinned the throttle as well as filling the station with volcanic 60 Ash 😂😅 but there are very few drivers who would be doing this. Most go on the side of caution and too Conservative as in this case above. The class 60 has a brilliant traction control system which makes it far superior over the 66 just the engine reliability and ease / cost of maintenance let's it down
To me it seems like he could be on a gradient, it sounds like driver applies power to take up slack and then releases the direct brake and then is waiting for air brakes to release on the train as this takes a few seconds as these are 25 wagons long usually
30 tonne per wagon unladen = 690 tonnes. 102 tonne per wagon fully loaded = 2346 tonnes. definitely more than 300 tonnes. It picked up quite quickly by the end of the clip.
Drax to Liverpool runs 25 empty wagons with gross weight inc loco of 858.2 tonnes. This video seems like the drivers just waiting for the air brakes to release an air flow to drop 😃
That's a very tidy piece of driving. He let's the power build up gently as all the brakes come off, then keeps the power subdued until he is clear of the trainshed. The loco looks to be in good order as well
Cool 👍 I'm not sure they struggle. I've seen them on grades with 30, 100 ton aviation tanks. The crawl up but I think it's the gearing. They (60s) climb Langho Bank with 2200 tons on. Slow but powerful up the grade
The CO₂ was absorbed by trees before being released, so *that* CO₂ just goes round and round, unlike the CO₂ from coal which is being ADDED to the atmosphere after being locked away for millions of years.
So aside from the fact that he got the name wrong (it’s Helvellyn) he got the weight wrong, and it didn’t struggle, this was actually a great shot of that 60. Good job man
Definitely NOT struggling at all. That loco is one of the strongest we have Just sensible driving & application of power. Quality driver of the highest order! JG.
LMAO "Trainload of greenwash" Best description I've heard of it, gotta remember to use that myself. They said when they started this pellet business it would be from the off cuts that the lumber industry can't use. It wasn't... They are chopping down large areas of forest and making pellets from the entire lot. Setting aside how much life forms in the forest die, not very green. The forests will re grow and suck the CO2 back out of the air over time that the burnt pellets emitted. They won't suck back the CO2 of the lorries that take the logs from forest to the train depot. or the trains that move it to the docks. nor the solid sludge crude oil on the cargo ships moving it over an ocean and once again the trains here.
The CO₂ was absorbed by trees before being released, so *that* CO₂ just goes round and round, unlike the CO₂ from coal which is being ADDED to the atmosphere after being locked away for millions of years.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 The CO₂ was absorbed by trees before being released, so *that* CO₂ just goes round and round, unlike the CO₂ from coal which is being ADDED to the atmosphere after being locked away for millions of years.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 Plants that died millions of years ago locking their Carbon away, which gets released all at once over a few decades thus ramping up atmospheric CO₂ to problematic levels.
The people who create these videos say things like that just to get youtubers to watch them , like those US doctors that say don't eat the 10 foods etc so you read ages of verbal diarrhoea get to the end then you have to watch a video for several minutes & one is still no the wiser
Tons were not mentioned and neither was tonnes. He was talking about tones which I think is either something to do with colour or the sound of the locomotive horn.
The usual - these days - 'technique' of pulling against the brakes. Modern training has folks feared of blowing the brakes fully off before taking power. Necessary with a 66 that won't hold much on the straight air, but a 60 will hold at least 2800 tons on a 1- in - 90 . The 'official' method whern the 33056 came out for 60's , was to get the airflow down , preferably zero , then full power , letting the slip and autosands deal with it. That, for my mind took some of the pleasure of driving out of your hands , so I just drove 'em like owt else; respectfully and thoughtfully, and thrashed 'em when needed ! There was an 'urgency' in the way a 60 got into a heavy load , more than any other loco , and you could feel that high tractive effort in yer bones. Also , it's pretty flat there in York , so full brake release would present no issues. Pulling against a slow releasing brake? never, wherever possible ! The n60's are supremely competent. I drove 'em from '89 to '17 . Only ever failed once with 'em .
Fort those in the know about these things, why do freight locomotives leave their engines running when standing in a freight yard ? I used to watch the Freightliner Class 66's at Ipswich depot, and they would stand running for ages without a driver in the cab. Thank you.
@@robincoleman1350 Plants have, it's not a driver of global temperature either. I think it's utterly pointless moving wood pellets from the US and pretending that this somehow makes any difference to anything at all other than some USian's bank balance.
@@BrianMorrison hit the nail on the head there sir, Plus if we reduce the worlds co2 footprint we can actually get away with more reckless deforestation of the world. 10 million hectares of forest are cut down each year
North out of York around the curve has always been a tough test needing sensible driving. Also as well as the tonnage error the caption also has the wrong name. Quite clearly readable as Helvellyn named after the fell/mountain.
@@ibelieveyou2066 the latter. Although ill put a speaker next to my scales later and play different train horn clips just to be sure the tones weigh exactly the same 🤣
the class 60 was ok and not stuggling, just careful power application, Drax,reminds me of Mr Drax in the James Bond film,who built rockets to dominate earth,
For someone posting train videos, you got this hopelessly wrong. No struggle at all, loco names wrong, weights wrong.... think you mayve got your subject matter all wrong too looking at it.
Must be The Advertising "logo loco" as theyre never that clean, polished and clear from graffiti when they go past my garden every day which is a shame
60s, for all they’re temperamental beasts can pull just about anything they want if they feel like it. That wasn’t struggling. Trust me! They can pull a couple of thousand tonnes of biomass up the very steep Bootle branch line from the docks in Liverpool. I speak from experience.
Click bait title, and the required reaction was clearly achieved. It's a shame so many British locomotives are so unjustly maligned until they're taken out of service, then there's outrage and all of a sudden their praises can't be sung highly enough; what a bizarrely pathetic little country this is!
300 Tonnes shouldn't be very difficult for a loco like this !! Or do you mean 3000 tonnes ? Perhaps the rails were a bit greasy and needed sanding ? I expect the curve of the track didn't help either !
It don't need any help. Like other commenters have said it's careful driving. They haven't said why it is, but they are telling the truth. I've have seen these loco's at least a dozen times drag 2500 tonnes up the incline from Liverpool docks on wet rails, or in the rain on their own. A few other locos can do that incline and weight in the dry single handed but not in poor railhead conditions. This is in the dry and on the level with empty wagons. It ain't struggling at all.
Great locos the 60,s very powerful, think they have more tractive effort than the 66, last of the nice looking locos built ,unlike the hiddeous ugly class 70,s
Ohhh armchair drivers...its not simworld 3😮...train driven correctly....judging by location of departure a crew change had just taken place! Driver settling in to cab...releasing train brakes via the ATP after the driver who brought the train in would of made a holding brake application to secure the train for handover...stop with the click bait titles...keep vids coming.... Comment added from armchair! as retired driver passed to drive, instruct and assess drivers on class 60 locos😊
A Class 37 would have STORMED OUT with that load - foreign rubbish like the 'yinger' 66! ALL NOISE no pull. I was just waiting to hear it blow a turbo or a gasket!🤔
I have over the years repaired and serviced all the class 60 brake compressors and trust me they are very powerful pieces of equipment along with the locomotives. I think you’ll find the driver is being very careful and the initial movement is taking up the slack on the couplings then he applies more power to get it going 😊
It looks to me like he took up slack then stalled due to not calling for enough power, after it stalled if you look carefully sand gets put down to get it moving. It is easier to get a consist moving whilst taking up slack because you are effectively puling and adding 1 wagon at a time instead of everything at once. When the train stalled there was no slack left and it became a full dead weight in one full length. It would have been better to call for more power sooner to keep momentum and not come to a stop after taking slack.
@@mightynosebleed7476 I used to think the same until someone taught me about snatching. If you have a freight loco drive off too fast then the couplings in quick succession pull taught. each wagon weighs 100 tonne, once several pull taught this easily outweighs the loco many times over.
Hmm, best way I can think of is when a toddler in a harness runs away from an adult, it pulls taught and the toddler bounces around, left right and up and down. The train version of this can cause the loco to jump off the tracks.
Not sure if this analogy works for everyone but I have witnessed myself a 60 doing this separating several wagons that need fixing out of a rake of 25 biomass wagons. The driver wasn't giving it enough welly to derail it but she did keep jumping around half as bad when doing it. Some right good thrash for me though!
You would get this if you just pinned the throttle as well as filling the station with volcanic 60 Ash 😂😅 but there are very few drivers who would be doing this. Most go on the side of caution and too Conservative as in this case above. The class 60 has a brilliant traction control system which makes it far superior over the 66 just the engine reliability and ease / cost of maintenance let's it down
Even as a non train driver, I would think that was common sense, take the strain THEN apply more power.
To me it seems like he could be on a gradient, it sounds like driver applies power to take up slack and then releases the direct brake and then is waiting for air brakes to release on the train as this takes a few seconds as these are 25 wagons long usually
30 tonne per wagon unladen = 690 tonnes. 102 tonne per wagon fully loaded = 2346 tonnes. definitely more than 300 tonnes. It picked up quite quickly by the end of the clip.
Yes, it seemed obvious to me he meant 3,000 tonnes - no way 300!
Erm, that's a north bound biomass FROM Drax and as such would be empty and thus about 300t@@ACELog
@@47627CIW Ah right - I stand corrected! Made false assumption having not checked the details (not that I KNEW them).
Drax to Liverpool runs 25 empty wagons with gross weight inc loco of 858.2 tonnes. This video seems like the drivers just waiting for the air brakes to release an air flow to drop 😃
The Liverpool to Drax trains go via Wakefield, do they?
That's a very tidy piece of driving. He let's the power build up gently as all the brakes come off, then keeps the power subdued until he is clear of the trainshed. The loco looks to be in good order as well
👍🏻. JG.
That was a top piece of skilful driving we've just witnessed
Loco is called "HELVELLYN" - as in the mountain the in lake district
The lake district is volcanic in origin 😊
Where was the struggle. 60 didn't break a sweat
its called click bait
Got the engine name wrong, got the weight hopelessly wrong, perhaps stick to reviewing Hornby Locos.
& the last coal train was back in June
A class 60 'struggling' with 300 tonnes?? Are you for real??
Tug's doing what they do best. Didn't seem to struggle lifting that lot on a curve...😮
No struggle, incorrect tonnage noted and incorrect loco name. C’mon get something correct if you’re going to post up on YT.
Cool 👍 I'm not sure they struggle. I've seen them on grades with 30, 100 ton aviation tanks. The crawl up but I think it's the gearing. They (60s) climb Langho Bank with 2200 tons on. Slow but powerful up the grade
The GBRF blue looks smashing on the 60
3000 tonnes no problem for a heavenly tug! 😁
Just a 60 doing what they do well.........
I counted 23 wagons. Surely they don't weigh only 13 tonnes each, even if empty?
Ah, biomass the green product that creates way more CO2 than coal!
It must be green though because the Tories say it is.
Carbon which has been greenwashed by the climate change lunatics.
The CO₂ was absorbed by trees before being released, so *that* CO₂ just goes round and round, unlike the CO₂ from coal which is being ADDED to the atmosphere after being locked away for millions of years.
An excellent video of the departure. 👍
So aside from the fact that he got the name wrong (it’s Helvellyn) he got the weight wrong, and it didn’t struggle, this was actually a great shot of that 60. Good job man
Definitely NOT struggling at all. That loco is one of the strongest we have Just sensible driving & application of power. Quality driver of the highest order! JG.
Trainload of greenwash. Wood pellets for Drax produce more CO2 when burnt than the coal they used to burn.
LMAO "Trainload of greenwash" Best description I've heard of it, gotta remember to use that myself.
They said when they started this pellet business it would be from the off cuts that the lumber industry can't use. It wasn't... They are chopping down large areas of forest and making pellets from the entire lot.
Setting aside how much life forms in the forest die, not very green. The forests will re grow and suck the CO2 back out of the air over time that the burnt pellets emitted. They won't suck back the CO2 of the lorries that take the logs from forest to the train depot. or the trains that move it to the docks. nor the solid sludge crude oil on the cargo ships moving it over an ocean and once again the trains here.
The CO₂ was absorbed by trees before being released, so *that* CO₂ just goes round and round, unlike the CO₂ from coal which is being ADDED to the atmosphere after being locked away for millions of years.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 The CO₂ was absorbed by trees before being released, so *that* CO₂ just goes round and round, unlike the CO₂ from coal which is being ADDED to the atmosphere after being locked away for millions of years.
@@simonmason8582 Aye but where does coal come from?
@@alstonofalltrades3142 Plants that died millions of years ago locking their Carbon away, which gets released all at once over a few decades thus ramping up atmospheric CO₂ to problematic levels.
300tons?, count the Wagons and try again.
The people who create these videos say things like that just to get youtubers to watch them , like those US doctors that say don't eat the 10 foods etc so you read ages of verbal diarrhoea get to the end then you have to watch a video for several minutes & one is still no the wiser
Tons were not mentioned and neither was tonnes. He was talking about tones which I think is either something to do with colour or the sound of the locomotive horn.
North bound empty biomass so yes, it would be about 300t
The usual - these days - 'technique' of pulling against the brakes. Modern training has folks feared of blowing the brakes fully off before taking power. Necessary with a 66 that won't hold much on the straight air, but a 60 will hold at least 2800 tons on a 1- in - 90 . The 'official' method whern the 33056 came out for 60's , was to get the airflow down , preferably zero , then full power , letting the slip and autosands deal with it. That, for my mind took some of the pleasure of driving out of your hands , so I just drove 'em like owt else; respectfully and thoughtfully, and thrashed 'em when needed ! There was an 'urgency' in the way a 60 got into a heavy load , more than any other loco , and you could feel that high tractive effort in yer bones. Also , it's pretty flat there in York , so full brake release would present no issues. Pulling against a slow releasing brake? never, wherever possible ! The n60's are supremely competent. I drove 'em from '89 to '17 . Only ever failed once with 'em .
Reverse back 15ft to get the wheel off the flanges , away from the rail sides so a lot less friction to set off
Fort those in the know about these things, why do freight locomotives leave their engines running when standing in a freight yard ? I used to watch the Freightliner Class 66's at Ipswich depot, and they would stand running for ages without a driver in the cab. Thank you.
I remember Class 08 doing that, ticking over at Grays station
It's "Helvellyn" - not "Heavenly"! Good video though.
Could be a loaded biomass train from Tyne Dock to Drax power station.
It's heading north: away from Drax towards Tyneside/Blyth.
Just reading that the last uk coal by rail delivery for a power station was made back in June ?
Ratcliffe-on-Soar coal power station shut down forever on 30SEP24 and the lights are still on.
A consist not spoiled by graffiti…..presumably - as yet.
I'm from Australia and I was wondering what type of wagon are they and what type of commodity do they carry ?
Biomass (woodchip) for Drax Power Station
Class 60s regularly pulled 2700 tonnes on fiddlers ferry back in the day.
Nicest and cleanest trucks I've ever seen.😮
He was just pulling away slowly because he knew he was running on restricted signals,a passenger had just left.
Main issue with most diesels is wheel slip at start, not lack of power. Looks like it's taking wood chip to Drax ( worse CO2 emissions than coal
😊)...
I look at wood chips as immature coal.
@@trainsontuesday And we import tons from Canada to burn instead of coal. Madness.
@@trainsontuesday wood chips to burn = 20 seconds trees to replace them 20 years.. Trees grown millions of years ago aka coal = burn 20 minutes.
The train is heading North - away from Drax?
The old tugs lead the rest follow unbeatable ❤
Pity it's not taking coal to Drax.
Nothing is taking coal anywhere anymore.
@@stephendavies6949 More's the pity.
Got a thing for co2 ? 😅
@@robincoleman1350 Plants have, it's not a driver of global temperature either.
I think it's utterly pointless moving wood pellets from the US and pretending that this somehow makes any difference to anything at all other than some USian's bank balance.
@@BrianMorrison hit the nail on the head there sir, Plus if we reduce the worlds co2 footprint we can actually get away with more reckless deforestation of the world. 10 million hectares of forest are cut down each year
2340 odd ton is nothing for a class 60 on that route.
Perhaps also the wagons were empty, going North away from Drax.
I thought these just did Liverpool docks to Drax. Why would it be in York?
It must be due to rail works because these lovely green things pass my house so many times a day,said no one
North out of York around the curve has always been a tough test needing sensible driving. Also as well as the tonnage error the caption also has the wrong name. Quite clearly readable as Helvellyn named after the fell/mountain.
Tones, tonnes, or, tons? Struggling🤣
For quick mental arithmetic / estimation they are all about the same weight.
@@alstonofalltrades3142 What, tones like sounds, or 1000kg tons?
@@ibelieveyou2066 the latter. Although ill put a speaker next to my scales later and play different train horn clips just to be sure the tones weigh exactly the same 🤣
Almost an Empty Jumbo Jet.
the class 60 was ok and not stuggling, just careful power application, Drax,reminds me of Mr Drax in the James Bond film,who built rockets to dominate earth,
How many tonnes is that locomotive,🙏😉
What a bizarre film description - nothing like the reality depicted.
Excellent video my friends 😊awesome 😮Like 👍🏻 and Greeting 🙋🏻♀️ from Argentina 🇦🇷
Helvellyn??
And I always thought Tones were something to do with sound, and didn't weigh anything!
Good old sand box !!
300 tons ! Doh There is a lot lot more than 300 tons here.
That looked like an easy lift compared to some that I've had here in Oz on the east coast.
The locomotive wasn't struggling and it was hauling considerably more than 300 tons.
He just doesn’t want to fill the station with smoke that’s all
At least he got 60026 and York right.
That was no struggle. Pulled off in 2nd! 😂
For someone posting train videos, you got this hopelessly wrong. No struggle at all, loco names wrong, weights wrong.... think you mayve got your subject matter all wrong too looking at it.
I didn’t see any struggle .. it pulled out with ease
Anyone else spot the puff of sand at 00:53?
Must be The Advertising "logo loco" as theyre never that clean, polished and clear from graffiti when they go past my garden every day which is a shame
Click bait misinformation be ashamed
Most class 60's are now our of service, lined up at totan depot and look to be awaiting scrap.
Tones? 😂
60s, for all they’re temperamental beasts can pull just about anything they want if they feel like it.
That wasn’t struggling. Trust me!
They can pull a couple of thousand tonnes of biomass up the very steep Bootle branch line from the docks in Liverpool. I speak from experience.
A 9 F steam engine could handle this !
This is Northbound so would be empty for sure. It did take a lot of getting going.
No sign of kestrel again oh well
These pass Nottingham pulling oil tanks occasionally, 3000 tons is not a problem for a single class 60, 300 is nothing
Hardly used any notches at all. Not everyone drives like the Condor!
The average biomass train weight is 1,650 tonnes.
Approximately 1,500 tonnes. Superb driver. Just a little grey exhaust from this beautiful machine so clearly NOT struggling.
using Diesel to haul wood pellets to Drax
Not struggling at all.
Made to pull a house down with the hi tech employed in them.
Does the job perfectly well.
My Ex wife was probably hiding in one of the wagons🥴🥴🥴🥴🤡
A good driver would know not to apply too much throttle at the risk of breaking a coupling
Hardly struggling. Clickbait title.
Click bait title, and the required reaction was clearly achieved. It's a shame so many British locomotives are so unjustly maligned until they're taken out of service, then there's outrage and all of a sudden their praises can't be sung highly enough; what a bizarrely pathetic little country this is!
300 Tonnes shouldn't be very difficult for a loco like this !! Or do you mean 3000 tonnes ? Perhaps the rails were a bit greasy and needed sanding ? I expect the curve of the track didn't help either !
Come on the only thing you got right was the filming name wrong. Train weight way wrong. And the loco was in no way struggling to get the load moving.
Nearer 3000 than 300 tonnes - that is not even the weight of a passenger train.
LOL at 300 tonnes 😂😂
300 tones 😂
Struggling ? It’s obviously not going to 0-60mph in 4 seconds with all that weight is it ?
Local banking shunter to help it out of York.?
It don't need any help. Like other commenters have said it's careful driving. They haven't said why it is, but they are telling the truth. I've have seen these loco's at least a dozen times drag 2500 tonnes up the incline from Liverpool docks on wet rails, or in the rain on their own. A few other locos can do that incline and weight in the dry single handed but not in poor railhead conditions.
This is in the dry and on the level with empty wagons. It ain't struggling at all.
it did it in the end
Certainly did
Well that was click bait! Lol
300 tonnes 😂
Great locos the 60,s very powerful, think they have more tractive effort than the 66, last of the nice looking locos built ,unlike the hiddeous ugly class 70,s
Very hideous.
300 tones? Metric? Lol, back to the drawing board. 2k tones at least. Struggling? Get out of here.
Struggling 🤣🤣
Ohhh armchair drivers...its not simworld 3😮...train driven correctly....judging by location of departure a crew change had just taken place! Driver settling in to cab...releasing train brakes via the ATP after the driver who brought the train in would of made a holding brake application to secure the train for handover...stop with the click bait titles...keep vids coming....
Comment added from armchair! as retired driver passed to drive, instruct and assess drivers on class 60 locos😊
Trying to pull away with the brake still on the train...
This.
A Class 37 would have STORMED OUT with that load - foreign rubbish like the 'yinger' 66! ALL NOISE no pull. I was just waiting to hear it blow a turbo or a gasket!🤔
They never struggle😂
This machine would eat 300 tonnes for breakfast. Please at least try to get your facts right