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What do you mean by “thank”? What do you mean by “you”? What do you mean by “for”? What do you mean by “listening”? What do you mean Lex!? What do you mean?!?!? Be precise with your speech!!!!😭
@@JaeTylerS Lol I still feel bad for this dude. Man was a totally normal and honestly great academic with a lot of really good lecture material out there (see his original maps of meaning course). Then SOMEBODY drove him crazy by sending him a weird email about Kaballah. I regret that honestly, I thought he was prepared for the information, but unfortunately he got all the wrong ideas. It's a weird time where you win some you lose some. Some people get the wrong idea and turn into religious zealots, some people actually learn to reflect.
@@steel5897 To be fair, he produced a lot of content on psychology and philosophy for a long time, but only became famous when he opposed a woke law in Canada, and many people, including me, learn about him only because of it. So for me it's a bit complicated, but I largely agree.
I would actually argue he hasn't become political, he's become more religious. Despite me being Christian, I actually don't have interest into such topics and listened to him to learn about life in the first place. So I don't follow his content much anymore
I’m 33yo, been battling late Stage 4 metastatic cancer for over 4yrs. It definitely wasn’t voluntary but is sure a brutal challenge every day. Jordan said something before I love and try and think about when dark thoughts enter. “You need to be the strongest person at your father’s funeral” Meaning others will feed off the emotions or strength you show. So I make sure to keep strong not just for my own sake but for others around me so they keep strong and give others hope who go through catastrophe. Thanks Jordan
I can attest to growing out of a psychotic ideology. I was an anonymous troll on the internet and extremely immature until a year or so ago. I'm 36 now. In retrospect, I can't believe some of the things I've said to people on the internet. I was just cynical, angry, and immature. You can break the spell, but you have to be willing to witness the evil within yourself and direct it towards yourself, which can scare you into not wanting to deal with the consequences of your past. JP has been a love-hate for me, but I owe him for helping me search for peace within myself so I can project it outward.
Jeez a foul mood was daily at least even in joy and thrilling days.. I was disgusted I'm grateful I did it had the experience of both sides... I still do it on occasion... Wow... I am my own asshole.
Can I ask a person question after ripping into someone on the internet what would it do for you? I am not asking to be judgmental, just curious was it just fun made you laugh or were you in a state of anger?
Listened to a lot of JP through early days of undergrad. I fell off listening to him but his lessons stuck with me. Now, with my PhD complete and progressing through my career it's great to come back to hear his message is still consistent and further developed more great insights.
There’s some renewal I also see in him. Perhaps I lost it myself, but now I’m quite grateful to be able to hear him. I think he’s sharing more fresh ideas.
Agreed. I started listening to Peterson in 2018, when I was 16. Now, i just finished my undergraduate course in mathematical physics, and I am going to study string theory. It is great seeing that Peterson still holds his views and gives great insights about so many important topics
It is truly incomprehensible that we can open a phone and listen to this kind of wisdom at the click of a button, anytime, day or nite. People used to travel 1,000s of miles and devote years of their life for just an opportunity to hear this kind of knowledge. A glorious time to live my friends!
Lex, you’ve come so far. Your rebuttals are so much more composed, articulate and sophisticated. You get a lot of undeserved stick, but you’re truly one of the best we have.
@@dominiquelaflamme7804 I'm increasingly suspecting my reading of Nietzsche has been too shallow. Are my disagreements with him well-grounded? 🤔 I wonder now.
@@khaledtaha4814if you really watched this entire interview and walked away thinking “wow, that was entertaining; I had fun”, instead of having an intellectual experience then I feel you missed the point.
I love how successful Jordan has been despite all of that drama he had to deal with regarding his license and seemingly trying to be silenced. He is such a gift.
The trouble about his license was the one thing where the other side was right. You can't have a licensed psychologist running around badmouthing his colleagues without having any insight into their cases. Just as you cannot have someone like this giving remote diagnoses of famous people on the biggest chat shows in the world. He can do all of that as long as he is not personally representing a professional association who are supposed to hold the trust of their patients. Or he can exclude that from his public conversations and keep his license.
The best podcast with JP ever. Especially its first half. You can literally split the conversation or JP’s monologue into sequence of sentences and each sentence deserves to become a core concept for PhD thesis in the field of psychology, philosophy or sociology.
I know what Jordan means, at least in part, regarding his illness. I went through a period of addiction and withdrawal, far too young to understand what a giant mistake I had made in my late teen years, that lasted 4 years. Every day of withdrawal is the worst period imaginable, eclipsed in horror and abjection only by losing a loved one. This was over a decade ago, and I wouldn't trade those terrible experiences for anything. I'm glad I learned those lessons young. I have since had the resilience to run marathons, be the first in my family to get a college degree, start my own business and succeed at running it for 3 years, get married to a wonderful woman, and have 3 children who light up my world. Going through the brutality and horror of facing your own death, over and over again, has a way of hardening you against the trials of is life. Suffering makes us unimaginably strong in the face of future hardships.
Sadly mr 'she took my stuff' gets 1,000 likes and yours just a few. People, especially men, don't like hearing such things as you have to say. They seem to prefer buddies who will sit with them on the misery heap wailing pitifully about how difficult life is. I would ask that men such as yourself repeat your story regularly to counteract in some way the prevalent messages to so many. 😔
and serial killers like john wayne gacy, the worst of humanity, while his favorite philosopher died a lonely loser who was essential ostracize by everyone in his life. The complete irony and lack of awareness will never cease to amaze me.
What Jordan says here is spot on. I had standards far above my capabilities applied to me by a father who was unable to foster an encouraging relationship. It didn’t take too long for me to despise him and not trust him, and of course he resented me for this and I left the house as soon as I turned 18. We reconciled years later as he was dying of a brain tumour. Indeed I was the only person with him when he died. Years on from that as I reflect on it all my advice to fathers is err in the side of nurturing your children rather than pushing them. They need both, but if you are going to fail in one of those aspects it really shouldn’t be the loving and encouraging part that suffers.
right.... lot of parents simply project and pass on their pressures and gripes to kids and call that "mentoring" or some other word.... when current modern world is such merciless place especially mentally, emotionally, that nurturing part is what differentiates high achievers. It is not hard to be Arnold or top engineer, but it is extremely tough to stay that way for years and that is all about "nurturing" part. I get with "old world" physical things pushing may work but in sports there is other side of problem when it is only pushing, people have serious injuries for life without nurturing.. we are so efficient society and culture that performance part comes without nobody even asking, it is ingrained in each of us already pushing too hard.
Exactly.. This is soo spot on. Erring to the side of love and nurture I feel actually amplifies the effectiveness of the discipline & order imposing side in the long run.
@@giuoco Maybe he helped this person see that they have meaning. Some people don’t get that from anyone else in their life. I don’t care what saves someone-if JP and his message save someone, why judge? Be happy they’re still here.
I love Lex's interview style - he is inquisitive and challenging but also allows the other individual to speak. This is an amazing interview to learn more about Dr. Peterson's view of things. Really enjoyed this and grateful that Lex created this podcast.
Jordan's a great thinker. No doubt about it. The point about not judging a person entirely based on their worst is a great reminder and something that we do far too often today. Thanks for having this conversation Lex
@@Andrew-ri5qo - He was a letdown then, though he seems to have changed his opinions on the handling of the pandemic and supposed "scientific" instructions and the institution of Science post-pandemic. One of the few areas where I disagreed clearly with him. At least we should not ( in the spirit of the OP's comment ) judge him based on his worst and/or mistakes.
Stay with Eliade. Though nowadays is considered overrated. Peterson is a pathetic loser incapable of an original idea. And he's a prorussian. As a romanian I can tell you that in his visit in Romania, his eastern-european tour, he didn't talk with the best people. "Not by any stretch of imagination". (Because he was blinded more on his drug addiction treatment in Russia?) As a canadian I can tell you that he's a shame for Canada, he's a renegade as university professor and practitioner pshycologist, and I hope that americans will keep him for good. He's on RFK jr wagon now., and on Shapiro payroll.
@@flxjay8985 Because he was one of the most important thinkers in the 20th century, but because he was romanian, he was not as known as native English speaking thinkers.
@@funkXCIV And? Because as many others well known romanians he made a name of himself out of his country. Mîndria e un păcat. Una din multe chestii pe care Peterson nu le cunoaște.
Hey Dr. Peterson, I think I might have reached the second step of the 12 steps program. I thought I was being truly honest to myself and then I realized through prayers that I wasn't. And I got it off my chest and I felt serenity for the first time after having a huge craving. Feels good man. One day at a time.
I used to listen JP lectures, first with translations, then without them, I thought my English became pretty good. But turns out, you just get used to one person vocabulary. You need to listen different people to really get better. Still on my way :)
@@zamplt Of course I am listening different people not just JP. I was just thinking that if I can listen stuff like JP talking that is another level of English. Years back I was watching mostly bodybuilders day in life videos etc.. I learned English mostly from TH-cam listening podcast of all kinds from military like Shawn Ryan show, bodybuilding and other sports, health, life style, biochemistry, physiology, random stuff like Joe Rogan, about nature etc.. But maybe the most I really enjoy to listen stuff about Universe, Astrophysics and philosophy.. So it is very wide range of topics and people and because I am listening literally hours a day I don't need to translate it in my head. I basically hear more English than my native language lol. I want to move into Netherlands from Czech Republic to work there for better money. So that will force me to not just listen, but to speak as well. I am sure I will learn much more by actively using English much more than just listening..
@single_dad_of3 My grandfather was a psychologist and he was very standoffish with engineers too. I think it’s something about the contrast between cold mechanics annd functionality and the warmth and empathy of understanding the human spirit. They’re like opposite fields.
@@camg5949 I wish I could remember the exact conversation I’m referencing because I remember thanking damn that was cold after he had a pod with Lex the first time
Been a while since I’ve heard Dr. P talk about Crumb. I love hearing him talk about Crumb. He’s right. It’s an extraordinary documentary. Extraordinarily difficult to watch, too.
Two honest, introspective men having a conversation about discovering truth and navigating life, while illuminating the path at least in some ways to us. Thank you both.
@@gabekill3400 Assuming you mean you haven't heard of the Clean your room method, Peterson promotes it as a crucial step to get people out of a repetitive unmotivated, lazy mindset. Some people struggle with a genuine inability to get themselves moving without small, initial steps
holy shit lex the questions you ask are better than any other podcaster/interviewer i’ve ever heard. I bet it was a breath of fresh air for JP that you were truly understanding and engaging in his intellectually dense phrasing and ideas. you guys are both amazing
@@DrDeuteron I don't think Westerners know what "freedom of speech" means. What American's think "Freedom Of Speech" is "I can say whatever I want without consequences". As far as I am concerned, anyone who believes in that fairy tale are just saying "my words are in a safe space."That's fine. But then don't get upset when I call your mother a c2m-g2zzla. Because that's my right, yeah. I'm allowed to insult because "words don't hurt"? Right? And if you hit me for saying it, damn right you should be prosecuted. You infringe on my 1st Amendment rights via intimidation, hence censorship. To which I say, you really don't believe in freedom of speech. What you should believe in is the right to freedom of opinion and expression. it is NOT the same thing. And it is why the USA is circling the toilet. Everyone in America not talks like their words have value and are important. And also valid. That is the dichotomy of your 1st Amendment. It robs Words Of Value. It's an insult to anyone who has had to die or suffer to be heard!
Jordan I don’t agree with everything you say nor do I connect with some of your ideas… More importantly I admire your courage and effort to convey your ideas in the best way you can in our current environment. You are an inspiration to those of us who feel incredible sickness and suffering not by choice but as a by-product of our times. May god give you strength. Last time I saw you on Lex’s podcast I was in a very dark place and I wasn’t sure I’d make it much longer and I was concerned about you. I could feel you’re pain but in that your strength. I recall your words along the lines of “if you look hard enough in the darkness you will see the light”, Lex responded “are you sure?” and you said so honestly “I’m betting my life on it.”. That will stay with me for the rest of my life. Thank you so much. ❤
Man. All the podcasts I listen to are almost always interesting, but I think this episode stands out as being highly substantive and rich with important information and lessons we can all think on.
For anyone who want to increase the speed of Lex talking and slow down the speed of the guest talking; I've created an open-source Chrome extension "Podspeed" that changes the conversation to 3 words per second which is natural speed. Or to increase to 6 words per second for the whole podcast.
1:03:19 i am currently in the pursuit of the things that terrify me in life and i keep telling people that it’s led me on a pretty extraordinary journey, this is the first time i have heard someone else say it. I say everyone should chase their fears and live the beat of their lives in doing so
the last 30 mins of the interview are really amazing, peterson becomes a bit emotional and opens up about his hardships and how much more grateful he is now than before the illness, so good to hear that
Peterson often speaks with such admiration about Nietzsche but there are profound differences in their views. Nietzsche is very much anti-christian and ridicules free will for instance. I have never seen Peterson comment on those disagreements. It's of course great you can admire someone without agreeing, but it's strange to never make those disagreements explicit. He does do that with other thinkers.
I think this shows Nietzsche is the only significant intellectual person Peterson has studied, hence why he references him so much. Let's not forget Nietzsche was the father of Post-Modernism too. None of it makes sense.
I know quite a few young, disenchanted men on the left that would greatly benefit from Jordan’s wisdom and guidance. It’s a shame he’s been so politicized. I don’t tend toward conspiratorial thinking, but I can’t help but feel they are more useful to their party in a weakened state.
Says the guy who can't help making this all about the politicals You politicized your own comment. Look in the mirror, what you despise stares back at you no one brought up poitics here, except YOU
@@RogueBoyScout I’m referring to people who won’t watch this video, let alone make it to the comments section because Jordan has been put in a box as “alt-right” and “transphobic”. You’re right, none of that was in the video. But what you missed is that is exactly my point! These people are unable to see past the politics and therefore miss the additional wisdom. Just like you were unable to do with my comment! Politics is a game of motivating people to get out and vote. This is most often done through tactics that play on emotional volatility. Emotions can be manipulated, inflamed, and directed. But as we have seen emotions can also be blinding, they cloud your judgment and narrow your view. Perfect for the politician, bad for the populace.
Hey Lex, I want to say thank you for having the humility for letting JP speak his thoughts, even challenging (peacefully) on some of his thoughts. Take care and God bless!
53:07 , Dr. Peterson Nietzsche's 'will to power' isn't about manipulating interests, but embracing life's challenges. His values aren't fabricated, but discovered through individual growth. He never advocated for arbitrary values BUT HE JUST TOLD TO QUESTION TRADITIONAL VALUES .
Yup, he is simplifying him to suit his views right and left for people who havent read nitchze. Nitchze also said in antichrist that the peddlers of bible by building on them and explaining like peterson is the lowest of them all.But he wouldnt quote that lol. I still think jordans heart is in the right place as he is helping a lot of people when nobody is doing that as well as he is.But the christianity and conservatism he is pushing is too much on the nose.Would be nice of him to talk about income inequality for once for him to acknowledge world is much harder than his times, being a white male straight canadian when he was coming up. What he is pushing for as a solution to young people is faith in reality and yourself in this interview.Basicly magic or as new age people call manifestation,same idea.I think that works,but you gotta know how to do that exactly.
@@equaco Right JP is a good person but his clinging to Christianity clouds his judgement . He is nowhere near the level of Nietzsche who's ideas are so hard to disprove rationally . In the end everyone says that well his ideas are unethical and immoral so we're not gonna listen to it. FAILING TO REALIZE TRUTH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MORALS AND ETHICS .
No, Peterson is right, even if his understanding of the concept of ubermensch is somewhat equivocated. Look, Nietzche didn't say "question traditional values"; quite clearly he said that god is dead and even wrote a book called the Antichrist. His ideas lead directly to the fact that the ubermensch is someone who autonomously creates his own valurses (even if he borrows them from ancient cultures). And, of course, this is unworkable, people can't create values that can replace culture. It was a desperate way that Nietzsche found to solve the problem of nihilism, and he failed, in my view.
@raphaelturrasprenger7394 Antichrist was nitchze dismantling everything about christianity and church and shitting all over it though..It can be read against any ideology or religion or authority which is very freeing to see a man of nitchzes caliber siding against intellectual banalness and tyranny.I dont think it supports your point though? Nitchze is all about dismantling what is shit and limiting mentally and letting a new man emerge in my view.He is almost always critisizing.He even says in will to power that he is a true absolute nihilist in this sense that he wont leave anything behind. Freud would say he is using the destructive impulse against shit stuff, like peterson is using it against woke/trans movement.Peterson picked much easier enemy, trans people/movement who are barely getting recognized as people in this age.Thats why people are pissed at him that he doesnt acknowledge these and make good distinctions and labels people woke and marxist(there is doubts he has read him at all) left and right to be more comfortable in his conservatism and christianity. Nitchze said look at any philosopher or thinker and know that they are just peddling and justifying their own world view and beliefs.He has to become much more refined in what he battles these days.He doubled down on destructive impulses but reeling back a bit these days,after he exhausted talking about what he knows about best.Hopefully he can reel back from it even more as more you listen more you notice his destructive energy which is not targeted well. Anyways just general observations.
@@raphaelturrasprenger7394 Nietzsche's value creation is about self-overcoming, not cultural replacement. Embracing individual agency and complexity in the culture.(Someone like Napoleon , Alexander etc) Btw isn't JP's attempt to be pseudo- Christian a desperate attempt to solve nihilism , actually ?
I've been cleaning my room for 3 years since I discovered Jordan Peterson's lectures and my room (now home office) have become not only organized, but exceedingly functional and sophisticated. Somehow my income have multiplied over fivefold just by being in this room that makes me productive, and I become capable to not only support myself financially, but also my parents as well. I believe I owe this all to that man.
" A human being is an expression of will, rather than a mechanism of self-protection and security; a key thought of life force in human beings as something that strived, not to protect itself, but to exhaust itself in being and becoming ". 10:45 - Talking about Nietzche idea of human experience
I just read in the introduction to the myth of sisyphus: " O my soul, do not aspire to immortal life, but exhaust the limits of the possible" - Pindar, Pythian lll
Nietzsche did not err by saying, to quote JP, that “human beings ought to create their own values” - the reader errs. The Overman will do this. It is not a recommendation but a goal, only realizable upon the most dangerous path, because one must sacrifice all their own values, sacrifice themselves essentially, to create new ones. The revaluation is as much a metamorphosis as it is the founding of a city. This is why Zarathustra is subtitled “A Book for All and None,” and why Zarathustra always acquires & then leaves his followers. JP’s criticism of Nietzsche, in fact, originates with Nietzsche.
Phenomenal conversation so far. Jordan is breaking down elements of his Maps of Meaning theory that he taught at 90s Harvard & University of Toronto. Hearing the conversation about this topic with other unique & interesting people is fascinating.
10:32 - Lex Fridman has the best listening face. It's so genuine, present and fully engaged...he really gives a masterclass in each podcast on how to be a expert listener, giving complete space for his guests to fully develop their thoughts out loud and engaging with each thought in such a considerate and precise way. It's such a rare skill to have, and it's incredible to be able to learn from him!
Peterson isn't just a deep thinker, he can maintain the complexities of depth in his memory while he speaks about them and explores them further every time he engages.
I simultaneously find it hilarious and saddening when people dismiss Jordan and say that he tries to confuse the listener by using big words and complexity in his speech. You really think that a professor of 30 years and someone who speaks for a living isn't going to have a wide vocabulary? I personally love looking up words and learning what they mean if I haven't heard them before. People just really hate anything that feels like education or learning.
When you know what you are talking about you try to use simple words yo explain it to others, when you have nothing to say and want to disguise it you speak in word salad.
@@gonx9906 when you're less intelligent you need other people to dumb things down for you so you can understand it. I'm not trying to be an asshole but hating on him for using complex language to explain complex topics sounds like a you problem.
Well said. The "word salad" accusation is simply shorthand for "I am too lazy to look up words I don't know in a dictionary...and I resent people who are more educated and articulate than I am". The anti-Jordan trolls are a pathetic bunch.
@@gonx9906 I think you are half right. Think of it like this. If you want to know how to build a toaster a person can explain that you buy some wire, some heating elements, a screwdriver, and so on. However, if you actually want to build one, you may need to grab a dictionary to understand electrical engineering terminology. Some things lose meaning when simplified too far to the point that they become useless.
I like Jordan, but I do notice he tends to inflate his vocabulary in a way that it makes what he says less clear, and which could also be interpreted as a sign insecurity.
Psychologists and psychiatrists like Jordan Peterson just hypothesize and theorize about what makes a person tick. Sure, some of those classifications likely accurately group certain individuals. But the vast number of variables and mental trajectories that could cause someone to follow certain behavioral patterns are so close, if not actually, infinite that those classifications are merely bell-curve assumptions.
That would be awful. NF has an insane case of tunnel vision in regards to Israel/Palestine and whenever he bumps into someone with a tiny bit of a more realistic view of the situation (ie Hamas are not ‘freedom fighters) he turns into a little baby and throws his bottle and pacifier out of his stroller
Jesus yall comment this on everything and it's very obvious it's a scam every time. Surprised you only did the insane amount of likes this time, instead of all those comments, because it made it look extra spammy.
Lex Fridman always asks excellent questions, but My God! Those questions he made in this conversation with Jordan Peterson felt even more elevated. It’s as if the best in one brought out the best in the other. Lex seemed to push himself further, and his questions drew out some of the most profound insights from Jordan. Both are consistently remarkable, but this interaction felt like a peak moment for both of them.
This was such a good episode. and gave me a lot to think about when watching guests on people's podcasts!!! 😬 Thank you both so much for being such wonderful people!! We are so lucky to have minds like yours in our world, and that you have given us access to learn from!!!
If I could attend this conversation I would ask the following question: Dr. Peterson, your point that most parents would rather sacrifice themselves than their children highlights a deep parental instinct to protect. However, considering this in a theological context where God is portrayed as an unsacrificeable figure, how do you reconcile this with the notion of God's ultimate sacrifice? If God, by nature, cannot be sacrificed, what does this imply about his role as a father? How does he empathize with the human experience of sacrifice and loss, especially from a parent's perspective? Thank you.
@@jon1979roma He loves you, but His love is conditionally based on you also loving Him. It's not a great relationship dynamic. Since He created everything He created the necessity for the sacrifice and He created the situation in which the loss occurred. Nice, huh? (2 cents)
@jon1979roma He would probably bring up Abraham's beginnings and then say something about how His ultimate sacrifice is the ideal image of the goal of parenthood: to painfully counter their instincts and correctly sacrifice or "let go" of their children into a hostile world so that they can save some part of it. Then he might go on a tangent about the pathology of those that can't let go and their perpetual children. I'd be curious to see if and how he goes into God the Father's feeling of loss as compared to his images' feeling
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I can relate to the pain section so strongly. this week is three years of my injury and 12 years of my daily headache. Without pain I would be content in any situation; with my pain the smallest task seems tremendous of an effort
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0:00 - Introduction
0:08 - Nietzsche
7:49 - Power and propaganda
12:55 - Nazism
17:55 - Religion
34:19 - Communism
40:04 - Hero myth
42:13 - Belief in God
52:25 - Advice for young people
1:05:03 - Sex
1:25:01 - Good and evil
1:37:47 - Psychopathy
1:51:16 - Hardship
2:03:32 - Pain and gratitude
2:14:33 - Truth
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Thanks for this Lex!
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What do you mean by “thank”? What do you mean by “you”? What do you mean by “for”? What do you mean by “listening”?
What do you mean Lex!? What do you mean?!?!?
Be precise with your speech!!!!😭
Hi Lex 👍
"Nietzsche, Hitler, God, Psychopathy, Suffering & Meaning" sounds like a Jordan Peterson greatest hits album
My thoughts exactly
@@shingnosis the most broken of records
Jordan Peterson is an antonym to Niezsche, no matter what he thinks lol.
@@JaeTylerS Lol I still feel bad for this dude. Man was a totally normal and honestly great academic with a lot of really good lecture material out there (see his original maps of meaning course). Then SOMEBODY drove him crazy by sending him a weird email about Kaballah. I regret that honestly, I thought he was prepared for the information, but unfortunately he got all the wrong ideas. It's a weird time where you win some you lose some. Some people get the wrong idea and turn into religious zealots, some people actually learn to reflect.
Hahaha, Jung is missing
Cleaned my room. I’m ready
Did you make your bed though? If so go forward and solve global climate change.
Same, what do I do next?
Cleaning my room as we speak
@@milesshaw42069profit.
Mines a mess and so is my son's. I'll show myself to the door
I miss Peterson talking about non political things. This was a great interview. Best I’ve seen of Peterson in a while.
Yes. For me Peterson scholar >> Peterson politician
Same, once he got into politics he was never ever the same. When he joined Daily Wire at that point it was just over.
@@steel5897 To be fair, he produced a lot of content on psychology and philosophy for a long time, but only became famous when he opposed a woke law in Canada, and many people, including me, learn about him only because of it. So for me it's a bit complicated, but I largely agree.
I would actually argue he hasn't become political, he's become more religious. Despite me being Christian, I actually don't have interest into such topics and listened to him to learn about life in the first place. So I don't follow his content much anymore
I know professors at UofT and they all hated him said he's dumb and disrespectful. Seems true. Even his other phycology professors irritated by him
I’m 33yo, been battling late Stage 4 metastatic cancer for over 4yrs. It definitely wasn’t voluntary but is sure a brutal challenge every day. Jordan said something before I love and try and think about when dark thoughts enter.
“You need to be the strongest person at your father’s funeral”
Meaning others will feed off the emotions or strength you show. So I make sure to keep strong not just for my own sake but for others around me so they keep strong and give others hope who go through catastrophe.
Thanks Jordan
You know he got that of a fortune cookie, right? Not exactly mind blowing.
TY, I’ve never heard this and it’s greatly appreciated. And F cancer
It's not mind blowing because you haven't humbled yourself enough to let it transform you.
Bro, many prayers for you and may you continue to fight it.
God bless you. I’m an oncology RN and am continually inspired by people like you. You have my deepest respect. Thank you.
Paused video, cleaned room. Fed my pet lobster. Put on my suit. Clicked play
A lex suit or jordan suit?
Lex looks so freaking elegant, like a hitman or smthing.@@andreas8185
Very wise
my nigga you the teacher's pet
What is your pet lobster's name?
I can attest to growing out of a psychotic ideology. I was an anonymous troll on the internet and extremely immature until a year or so ago. I'm 36 now. In retrospect, I can't believe some of the things I've said to people on the internet. I was just cynical, angry, and immature. You can break the spell, but you have to be willing to witness the evil within yourself and direct it towards yourself, which can scare you into not wanting to deal with the consequences of your past. JP has been a love-hate for me, but I owe him for helping me search for peace within myself so I can project it outward.
Lack of self awareness is almost always the real issue
Jeez a foul mood was daily at least even in joy and thrilling days..
I was disgusted
I'm grateful I did it
had the experience of both sides...
I still do it on occasion...
Wow... I am my own asshole.
TH-cam psychiatric sharing...😮
Cheers and thanks for sharing. Turning 30 this year, myself.. dealing with my own demons. Hoping the best for you and the years to come!💪🏼
Can I ask a person question after ripping into someone on the internet what would it do for you? I am not asking to be judgmental, just curious was it just fun made you laugh or were you in a state of anger?
Listened to a lot of JP through early days of undergrad. I fell off listening to him but his lessons stuck with me. Now, with my PhD complete and progressing through my career it's great to come back to hear his message is still consistent and further developed more great insights.
There’s some renewal I also see in him. Perhaps I lost it myself, but now I’m quite grateful to be able to hear him. I think he’s sharing more fresh ideas.
How much debt?
@@trumpius_maximus47 $0 in student loan debt if that's what you're asking
@@m.caeben2578 The fun part is that he is sharing pretty ancient ideas :)
Agreed. I started listening to Peterson in 2018, when I was 16. Now, i just finished my undergraduate course in mathematical physics, and I am going to study string theory. It is great seeing that Peterson still holds his views and gives great insights about so many important topics
It is truly incomprehensible that we can open a phone and listen to this kind of wisdom at the click of a button, anytime, day or nite. People used to travel 1,000s of miles and devote years of their life for just an opportunity to hear this kind of knowledge. A glorious time to live my friends!
God bless m
Lex, you’ve come so far. Your rebuttals are so much more composed, articulate and sophisticated. You get a lot of undeserved stick, but you’re truly one of the best we have.
I've not seen anyone have such strong rebuttals before, to the point of rendering Jordan, at least for a moment, lost for words.
"you’re truly one of the best we have" 💯
Always right on target! 🎯
We wouldn't want to cut Jordan Peterson some slack for allowing Nietzsche to dis Christianity, would we?
@@dominiquelaflamme7804 I'm increasingly suspecting my reading of Nietzsche has been too shallow. Are my disagreements with him well-grounded? 🤔 I wonder now.
Sad thing he’s boring af to listen to
The world is so much brighter because of these podcasts
entertaining *
@@khaledtaha4814 as if, this is much more than entertaining
@@khaledtaha4814if you really watched this entire interview and walked away thinking “wow, that was entertaining; I had fun”, instead of having an intellectual experience then I feel you missed the point.
Sure, whatever you say. As if any of this is anything beyond surface level material when you consider that we are living in a simulation
This intellectual dark web is just another capitalist ploy
I love how successful Jordan has been despite all of that drama he had to deal with regarding his license and seemingly trying to be silenced. He is such a gift.
The trouble about his license was the one thing where the other side was right. You can't have a licensed psychologist running around badmouthing his colleagues without having any insight into their cases. Just as you cannot have someone like this giving remote diagnoses of famous people on the biggest chat shows in the world. He can do all of that as long as he is not personally representing a professional association who are supposed to hold the trust of their patients. Or he can exclude that from his public conversations and keep his license.
God Bless
The best podcast with JP ever.
Especially its first half.
You can literally split the conversation or JP’s monologue into sequence of sentences and each sentence deserves to become a core concept for PhD thesis in the field of psychology, philosophy or sociology.
Check out Jordan Peterson and Michael Malice
I didn’t have to clean my room. She took everything.
Good.
This was so unintentionally funny.
If it's real, stay hard motherfucker!
@@carlyellison8498zero likes.
Ow man 🤣
Women ☕
I know what Jordan means, at least in part, regarding his illness. I went through a period of addiction and withdrawal, far too young to understand what a giant mistake I had made in my late teen years, that lasted 4 years. Every day of withdrawal is the worst period imaginable, eclipsed in horror and abjection only by losing a loved one. This was over a decade ago, and I wouldn't trade those terrible experiences for anything. I'm glad I learned those lessons young. I have since had the resilience to run marathons, be the first in my family to get a college degree, start my own business and succeed at running it for 3 years, get married to a wonderful woman, and have 3 children who light up my world. Going through the brutality and horror of facing your own death, over and over again, has a way of hardening you against the trials of is life. Suffering makes us unimaginably strong in the face of future hardships.
Beautifully said.
I’ve gone through a similar experience.
I’m now in the process of figuring out my life.
Good stuff 💯
Very inspiring to hear at 23, i had similar issues. I'm also very resilient and currently working on developing a good work ethic.
Sadly mr 'she took my stuff' gets 1,000 likes and yours just a few. People, especially men, don't like hearing such things as you have to say. They seem to prefer buddies who will sit with them on the misery heap wailing pitifully about how difficult life is. I would ask that men such as yourself repeat your story regularly to counteract in some way the prevalent messages to so many. 😔
"riches get bitches." - Jordan Peterson
Nietsches get bitches
and serial killers like john wayne gacy, the worst of humanity, while his favorite philosopher died a lonely loser who was essential ostracize by everyone in his life. The complete irony and lack of awareness will never cease to amaze me.
@@Dshlit RIGHT!!?
"Find meaning before peening"
@@Dshlit dafuq are you talking about
This is by far my favorite discussions between Lex and a guest. So raw, intellectual, and interesting
someone notice that jordan peterson start hard with lex from the beginning? there is no introduction, no warm up, just straight communication
I think Lex is generally the same way. It just seems more pronounced when his guest obliges, like Peterson. I love it. No fluff.
Lex is smart
He respects Lex. He treats him as an up and coming himself. He wants him to learn fast
Just straight to the hard piping. Didn't ease it in at all
do you think they just met and started talking for the first as soon as they started the camera...
What Jordan says here is spot on. I had standards far above my capabilities applied to me by a father who was unable to foster an encouraging relationship. It didn’t take too long for me to despise him and not trust him, and of course he resented me for this and I left the house as soon as I turned 18. We reconciled years later as he was dying of a brain tumour. Indeed I was the only person with him when he died. Years on from that as I reflect on it all my advice to fathers is err in the side of nurturing your children rather than pushing them. They need both, but if you are going to fail in one of those aspects it really shouldn’t be the loving and encouraging part that suffers.
right.... lot of parents simply project and pass on their pressures and gripes to kids and call that "mentoring" or some other word.... when current modern world is such merciless place especially mentally, emotionally, that nurturing part is what differentiates high achievers. It is not hard to be Arnold or top engineer, but it is extremely tough to stay that way for years and that is all about "nurturing" part. I get with "old world" physical things pushing may work but in sports there is other side of problem when it is only pushing, people have serious injuries for life without nurturing.. we are so efficient society and culture that performance part comes without nobody even asking, it is ingrained in each of us already pushing too hard.
@@harmlesscreationsofthegree1248 great point and thanks for sharing. I think many of us have similar experiences.
Exactly.. This is soo spot on. Erring to the side of love and nurture I feel actually amplifies the effectiveness of the discipline & order imposing side in the long run.
Wordy but enjoyed reading about ur life 🧬
Thanks for sharing. I agree.
JBP saved my life, he'll always have my love and respect.
Same friend.
lol I love these fake “he saved me !!” comments. Did he save you by giving you some dogmatic talking points to regurgitate?
@@giuoco Maybe he helped this person see that they have meaning. Some people don’t get that from anyone else in their life. I don’t care what saves someone-if JP and his message save someone, why judge? Be happy they’re still here.
@@giuocohe saved my life sir, be something respectful
@@giuocoprob previously suicidal
I love Lex's interview style - he is inquisitive and challenging but also allows the other individual to speak. This is an amazing interview to learn more about Dr. Peterson's view of things. Really enjoyed this and grateful that Lex created this podcast.
And he seems to follow the whole conversation while I get sidetracked with trump ad “Conrad Kamala Harris”
Well said! Trey
@@Daz_Builds Ditto! As the old folks say
And he's a master in non violent communication.
Me, too, Trey.
Lex is king. Perfect synthesis of reason, emotion and humility. Wishing more people were like him.
The best AI
He is a sane version of Joe Rogan.
@@TylerChambers-yx2lx yep, that's a good depiction.
Jordan Peterson FOR PRIME MINISTER OF CANADA!
@@matthewgiacobbe592 we’re talking about lex fridman, not Jordan Peterson. Peterson is a pseudo-intellectual buffoon devoid of integrity.
Jordan's a great thinker. No doubt about it. The point about not judging a person entirely based on their worst is a great reminder and something that we do far too often today. Thanks for having this conversation Lex
Pity he was such a let down during the COVID-19 hysteria
@@Andrew-ri5qo I might have missed that, how so? Do mean specific comments about the pandemic itself or something else
@@Andrew-ri5qo - He was a letdown then, though he seems to have changed his opinions on the handling of the pandemic and supposed "scientific" instructions and the institution of Science post-pandemic. One of the few areas where I disagreed clearly with him. At least we should not ( in the spirit of the OP's comment ) judge him based on his worst and/or mistakes.
You needed Jordan Peterson to tell you not to judge someone entirely based on their worst? Ok, well at least now you know.
He was a great thinker. Then he started to overthink absolutely everything.
Both of these men have helped me greatly in aiming upwards in life
Same
Me too
As a Romanian, thank you for taking an interest in Mircea Eliade, he's a remarkable author.
Stay with Eliade. Though nowadays is considered overrated.
Peterson is a pathetic loser incapable of an original idea. And he's a prorussian. As a romanian I can tell you that in his visit in Romania, his eastern-european tour, he didn't talk with the best people. "Not by any stretch of imagination". (Because he was blinded more on his drug addiction treatment in Russia?)
As a canadian I can tell you that he's a shame for Canada, he's a renegade as university professor and practitioner pshycologist, and I hope that americans will keep him for good. He's on RFK jr wagon now., and on Shapiro payroll.
It feels good to be romanian and hear someone talk with such high praise about Eliade
@@funkXCIV
Why?
@@flxjay8985 Because he was one of the most important thinkers in the 20th century, but because he was romanian, he was not as known as native English speaking thinkers.
@@funkXCIV
And?
Because as many others well known romanians he made a name of himself out of his country.
Mîndria e un păcat. Una din multe chestii pe care Peterson nu le cunoaște.
Hey Dr. Peterson, I think I might have reached the second step of the 12 steps program. I thought I was being truly honest to myself and then I realized through prayers that I wasn't. And I got it off my chest and I felt serenity for the first time after having a huge craving. Feels good man. One day at a time.
there is no 12 steps program buddy, try again later.
Keep up the good work.
Just for today dude
@@VoodooD0g There is 12 step programs though, and I hope he gets out while he still can. Or at least doesnt do the fifth step with a sponsor thing.
Admit you are not in control. Ooops wrong 12 steps.
Can I say that my english is good if I can listen podcast like this and understand like 95% of everything what was said there?
It's absolutely brilliant if you can understand 95% as a non-native. I hope my Spanish is that good one day.
Bueno.
I’d say you’re doing fantastic! Well done!
I used to listen JP lectures, first with translations, then without them, I thought my English became pretty good. But turns out, you just get used to one person vocabulary. You need to listen different people to really get better. Still on my way :)
@@zamplt Of course I am listening different people not just JP. I was just thinking that if I can listen stuff like JP talking that is another level of English. Years back I was watching mostly bodybuilders day in life videos etc.. I learned English mostly from TH-cam listening podcast of all kinds from military like Shawn Ryan show, bodybuilding and other sports, health, life style, biochemistry, physiology, random stuff like Joe Rogan, about nature etc.. But maybe the most I really enjoy to listen stuff about Universe, Astrophysics and philosophy.. So it is very wide range of topics and people and because I am listening literally hours a day I don't need to translate it in my head. I basically hear more English than my native language lol. I want to move into Netherlands from Czech Republic to work there for better money. So that will force me to not just listen, but to speak as well. I am sure I will learn much more by actively using English much more than just listening..
I think Dr. Peterson was a bit skeptical of Lex the first time and more closed. This time I'm feeling a more open dialogue and I'm enjoying it.
He doesn’t like engineers lol for real. I seen a bit with him saying they make him uncomfortable idk lol
@@single_dad_of3his son is one
@single_dad_of3 My grandfather was a psychologist and he was very standoffish with engineers too. I think it’s something about the contrast between cold mechanics annd functionality and the warmth and empathy of understanding the human spirit. They’re like opposite fields.
@@camg5949 I wish I could remember the exact conversation I’m referencing because I remember thanking damn that was cold after he had a pod with Lex the first time
because jordan is a serious guy, lex was a lot more chill when he talked to piet levels (a pioneer in building ai tools), engineer to engineer
Peterson doesn’t disappoint.
He often does :(
maybe that's just life
Hearing Mircea Eliade being mentioned and appreciated melts my heart! ❤️
Yeah, especialyy when you think that Peterson became a voice of christian neo-fascist agenda.
Mircea Eliade has nothing to do with it, just as Nietsche
@flxjay8985 you're projecting regarding the neo fascist thing
Always enjoy seeing Jordan on the podcast… Lex seems to bring the best out of him too. Well done Lex, looking forward to round 3!
You two are so good together. Lex seems to bring out the JP i love. A great student and a great teacher.
This is one of the best interviews ever. Thanks Lex Fridman and Dr. Jordan Peterson.
I could listen to Jordan Peterson talk all day
I know some can’t keep up with him, but pushing through and really challenging yourself to hear him is so important. You learn so much
Always good to see Dr Jordan at his best
"The passion of Christ is the truest adventure of Abraham" is the most Christian thing I've heard JBP say. 48:03
Great interview, thankyou
Now this is quality supply, might keep Jordan from swinging at anons :)
Jordan Peterson drinking SMART water is top tier
Been a while since I’ve heard Dr. P talk about Crumb. I love hearing him talk about Crumb. He’s right. It’s an extraordinary documentary. Extraordinarily difficult to watch, too.
Where can I watch it?
but the string....I mean that was weird af.
Two honest, introspective men having a conversation about discovering truth and navigating life, while illuminating the path at least in some ways to us. Thank you both.
The level of this conversation is unreal.
cleaned my room after like half a year yesterday...feels great!
yikes
I havent clean my in years, i have no meaning aniways @@tangents6880
I don’t get the “cleaning room” comments LOL, y’all should just keep a clean house anyways.🙄🤷🏻♂️😅
Wtf
@@gabekill3400 Assuming you mean you haven't heard of the Clean your room method, Peterson promotes it as a crucial step to get people out of a repetitive unmotivated, lazy mindset. Some people struggle with a genuine inability to get themselves moving without small, initial steps
I clean my room every jordan appears on a conversation 😁👌
Says a lot about a society when the one who says “clean your room” is hailed as some sort of genius.
why do you need a prompt? do you enjoy sleeping on your dirty laundry?
I don’t get the “cleaning room” comments LOL, y’all should just keep a clean house anyways.🙄🤷🏻♂️😅
you clean your room 5 times a day 7 days a week?
@@gabekill3400it's the smartest thing this "great thinker" has ever said...
Mircea Eliade makes me proud of being Romanian 🩷
holy shit lex the questions you ask are better than any other podcaster/interviewer i’ve ever heard. I bet it was a breath of fresh air for JP that you were truly understanding and engaging in his intellectually dense phrasing and ideas. you guys are both amazing
Hey Dr Peterson❤️
So glad you are standing up for freedom of speech ❤ Godspeed Sir
Canada 🇨🇦 needs your voice
Canada needs Freedom of Speech. All countries need it.
@@DrDeuteron I don't think Westerners know what "freedom of speech" means. What American's think "Freedom Of Speech" is "I can say whatever I want without consequences". As far as I am concerned, anyone who believes in that fairy tale are just saying "my words are in a safe space."That's fine. But then don't get upset when I call your mother a c2m-g2zzla. Because that's my right, yeah. I'm allowed to insult because "words don't hurt"? Right? And if you hit me for saying it, damn right you should be prosecuted. You infringe on my 1st Amendment rights via intimidation, hence censorship.
To which I say, you really don't believe in freedom of speech. What you should believe in is the right to freedom of opinion and expression. it is NOT the same thing. And it is why the USA is circling the toilet. Everyone in America not talks like their words have value and are important. And also valid. That is the dichotomy of your 1st Amendment. It robs Words Of Value.
It's an insult to anyone who has had to die or suffer to be heard!
Jordan I don’t agree with everything you say nor do I connect with some of your ideas… More importantly I admire your courage and effort to convey your ideas in the best way you can in our current environment. You are an inspiration to those of us who feel incredible sickness and suffering not by choice but as a by-product of our times. May god give you strength. Last time I saw you on Lex’s podcast I was in a very dark place and I wasn’t sure I’d make it much longer and I was concerned about you. I could feel you’re pain but in that your strength. I recall your words along the lines of “if you look hard enough in the darkness you will see the light”, Lex responded “are you sure?” and you said so honestly “I’m betting my life on it.”. That will stay with me for the rest of my life. Thank you so much. ❤
I'm gonna clean my flat before watching. Thanks Lex ♥
How original.... yawn
Ahh yes the 500th comment exactly like this
Should clean while you watch 😉
@@hollywooda111just try to enjoy the meme. Be sure to “accept that empiricism is still subject to perspective” (or something else resembling that 🤭)
please do, I can smell it from here bro
Man. All the podcasts I listen to are almost always interesting, but I think this episode stands out as being highly substantive and rich with important information and lessons we can all think on.
I’d pay so much money to see a conversation between Peterson and Foucault.
That would definitely be a debate
@@geneberrocal3220yeah I would imagine there would be instant and unending disagreement.
Foucault is always doing 180s, tho.
Hahhaha, I imagine Foucault would become rather confused by Peterson's jive... and then disgusted.
@@J5L5M6 true, he would be disgusted that JP isn't a massive pedo advocate like him
Great questions from Lex.
Woh! Okay?! I'm going to have to re watch/listen to this one maybe two more times.
Lots to digest here. Bless you both for the work you do.
For anyone who want to increase the speed of Lex talking and slow down the speed of the guest talking; I've created an open-source Chrome extension "Podspeed" that changes the conversation to 3 words per second which is natural speed. Or to increase to 6 words per second for the whole podcast.
nice
1:03:19 i am currently in the pursuit of the things that terrify me in life and i keep telling people that it’s led me on a pretty extraordinary journey, this is the first time i have heard someone else say it. I say everyone should chase their fears and live the beat of their lives in doing so
I've listened to the first round of Lex and Jordan probably 6 or 7 times. I have a feeling I'm gonna be doing the same thing with this one
Nice conversation with Saul Goodman!
the last 30 mins of the interview are really amazing, peterson becomes a bit emotional and opens up about his hardships and how much more grateful he is now than before the illness, so good to hear that
Cleaned my room last pod. Now im cleaning the house. Lets do this!
Peterson often speaks with such admiration about Nietzsche but there are profound differences in their views. Nietzsche is very much anti-christian and ridicules free will for instance. I have never seen Peterson comment on those disagreements. It's of course great you can admire someone without agreeing, but it's strange to never make those disagreements explicit. He does do that with other thinkers.
I think this shows Nietzsche is the only significant intellectual person Peterson has studied, hence why he references him so much.
Let's not forget Nietzsche was the father of Post-Modernism too. None of it makes sense.
I know quite a few young, disenchanted men on the left that would greatly benefit from Jordan’s wisdom and guidance. It’s a shame he’s been so politicized. I don’t tend toward conspiratorial thinking, but I can’t help but feel they are more useful to their party in a weakened state.
I think you're right. The VP candidates are a side-show battle for defining being a male role model.
Says the guy who can't help making this all about the politicals
You politicized your own comment. Look in the mirror, what you despise stares back at you
no one brought up poitics here, except YOU
@@RogueBoyScout triggered!
@@RogueBoyScout I’m referring to people who won’t watch this video, let alone make it to the comments section because Jordan has been put in a box as “alt-right” and “transphobic”. You’re right, none of that was in the video. But what you missed is that is exactly my point! These people are unable to see past the politics and therefore miss the additional wisdom. Just like you were unable to do with my comment! Politics is a game of motivating people to get out and vote. This is most often done through tactics that play on emotional volatility. Emotions can be manipulated, inflamed, and directed. But as we have seen emotions can also be blinding, they cloud your judgment and narrow your view. Perfect for the politician, bad for the populace.
Hey Lex, I want to say thank you for having the humility for letting JP speak his thoughts, even challenging (peacefully) on some of his thoughts. Take care and God bless!
53:07 , Dr. Peterson Nietzsche's 'will to power' isn't about manipulating interests, but embracing life's challenges. His values aren't fabricated, but discovered through individual growth.
He never advocated for arbitrary values BUT HE JUST TOLD TO QUESTION TRADITIONAL VALUES .
Yup, he is simplifying him to suit his views right and left for people who havent read nitchze.
Nitchze also said in antichrist that the peddlers of bible by building on them and explaining like peterson is the lowest of them all.But he wouldnt quote that lol.
I still think jordans heart is in the right place as he is helping a lot of people when nobody is doing that as well as he is.But the christianity and conservatism he is pushing is too much on the nose.Would be nice of him to talk about income inequality for once for him to acknowledge world is much harder than his times, being a white male straight canadian when he was coming up.
What he is pushing for as a solution to young people is faith in reality and yourself in this interview.Basicly magic or as new age people call manifestation,same idea.I think that works,but you gotta know how to do that exactly.
@@equaco Right JP is a good person but his clinging to Christianity clouds his judgement .
He is nowhere near the level of Nietzsche who's ideas are so hard to disprove rationally .
In the end everyone says that well his ideas are unethical and immoral so we're not gonna listen to it. FAILING TO REALIZE TRUTH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MORALS AND ETHICS .
No, Peterson is right, even if his understanding of the concept of ubermensch is somewhat equivocated. Look, Nietzche didn't say "question traditional values"; quite clearly he said that god is dead and even wrote a book called the Antichrist. His ideas lead directly to the fact that the ubermensch is someone who autonomously creates his own valurses (even if he borrows them from ancient cultures). And, of course, this is unworkable, people can't create values that can replace culture. It was a desperate way that Nietzsche found to solve the problem of nihilism, and he failed, in my view.
@raphaelturrasprenger7394 Antichrist was nitchze dismantling everything about christianity and church and shitting all over it though..It can be read against any ideology or religion or authority which is very freeing to see a man of nitchzes caliber siding against intellectual banalness and tyranny.I dont think it supports your point though?
Nitchze is all about dismantling what is shit and limiting mentally and letting a new man emerge in my view.He is almost always critisizing.He even says in will to power that he is a true absolute nihilist in this sense that he wont leave anything behind.
Freud would say he is using the destructive impulse against shit stuff, like peterson is using it against woke/trans movement.Peterson picked much easier enemy, trans people/movement who are barely getting recognized as people in this age.Thats why people are pissed at him that he doesnt acknowledge these and make good distinctions and labels people woke and marxist(there is doubts he has read him at all) left and right to be more comfortable in his conservatism and christianity.
Nitchze said look at any philosopher or thinker and know that they are just peddling and justifying their own world view and beliefs.He has to become much more refined in what he battles these days.He doubled down on destructive impulses but reeling back a bit these days,after he exhausted talking about what he knows about best.Hopefully he can reel back from it even more as more you listen more you notice his destructive energy which is not targeted well.
Anyways just general observations.
@@raphaelturrasprenger7394 Nietzsche's value creation is about self-overcoming, not cultural replacement. Embracing individual agency and complexity in the culture.(Someone like Napoleon , Alexander etc)
Btw isn't JP's attempt to be pseudo- Christian a desperate attempt to solve nihilism , actually ?
Mr. Fridman, please don't forget to add annotations to related videos, like the one at 1:28:00 #296 with Douglas Murray. Thank you kindly.
I've been cleaning my room for 3 years since I discovered Jordan Peterson's lectures and my room (now home office) have become not only organized, but exceedingly functional and sophisticated. Somehow my income have multiplied over fivefold just by being in this room that makes me productive, and I become capable to not only support myself financially, but also my parents as well. I believe I owe this all to that man.
I emptied my entire bedroom of furniture and was hired at a 7 figure job the next day.
@@Anirlonyou definitely cleaned it too well you don’t have substance now 😂
" A human being is an expression of will, rather than a mechanism of self-protection and security; a key thought of life force in human beings as something that strived, not to protect itself, but to exhaust itself in being and becoming ". 10:45 - Talking about Nietzche idea of human experience
I just read in the introduction to the myth of sisyphus: " O my soul, do not aspire to immortal life, but exhaust the limits of the possible" - Pindar, Pythian lll
“Learning to see a challenger as an opportunity is the beginning of wisdom”
Nietzsche did not err by saying, to quote JP, that “human beings ought to create their own values” - the reader errs. The Overman will do this. It is not a recommendation but a goal, only realizable upon the most dangerous path, because one must sacrifice all their own values, sacrifice themselves essentially, to create new ones. The revaluation is as much a metamorphosis as it is the founding of a city. This is why Zarathustra is subtitled “A Book for All and None,” and why Zarathustra always acquires & then leaves his followers. JP’s criticism of Nietzsche, in fact, originates with Nietzsche.
Phenomenal conversation so far. Jordan is breaking down elements of his Maps of Meaning theory that he taught at 90s Harvard & University of Toronto.
Hearing the conversation about this topic with other unique & interesting people is fascinating.
10:32 - Lex Fridman has the best listening face. It's so genuine, present and fully engaged...he really gives a masterclass in each podcast on how to be a expert listener, giving complete space for his guests to fully develop their thoughts out loud and engaging with each thought in such a considerate and precise way. It's such a rare skill to have, and it's incredible to be able to learn from him!
“Learning to see a challenge as an opportunity, is the beginning of wisdom”
Peterson isn't just a deep thinker, he can maintain the complexities of depth in his memory while he speaks about them and explores them further every time he engages.
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I get notification, Lex and Jordan new episode. I clean my room. I sit and listen
This conversation 🔥🤌🏽
This interview deserves more than a view, but several listings. Concepts are clear and helps out take and sweep the mind's bs out. Ty x both ! 🎉
It's such a relief to hear a smart man talking sense.
Peterson is Superb!! As simple as that.
I simultaneously find it hilarious and saddening when people dismiss Jordan and say that he tries to confuse the listener by using big words and complexity in his speech. You really think that a professor of 30 years and someone who speaks for a living isn't going to have a wide vocabulary? I personally love looking up words and learning what they mean if I haven't heard them before. People just really hate anything that feels like education or learning.
When you know what you are talking about you try to use simple words yo explain it to others, when you have nothing to say and want to disguise it you speak in word salad.
@@gonx9906 when you're less intelligent you need other people to dumb things down for you so you can understand it. I'm not trying to be an asshole but hating on him for using complex language to explain complex topics sounds like a you problem.
Well said. The "word salad" accusation is simply shorthand for "I am too lazy to look up words I don't know in a dictionary...and I resent people who are more educated and articulate than I am". The anti-Jordan trolls are a pathetic bunch.
@@gonx9906 I think you are half right. Think of it like this. If you want to know how to build a toaster a person can explain that you buy some wire, some heating elements, a screwdriver, and so on. However, if you actually want to build one, you may need to grab a dictionary to understand electrical engineering terminology. Some things lose meaning when simplified too far to the point that they become useless.
I like Jordan, but I do notice he tends to inflate his vocabulary in a way that it makes what he says less clear, and which could also be interpreted as a sign insecurity.
Psychologists and psychiatrists like Jordan Peterson just hypothesize and theorize about what makes a person tick. Sure, some of those classifications likely accurately group certain individuals. But the vast number of variables and mental trajectories that could cause someone to follow certain behavioral patterns are so close, if not actually, infinite that those classifications are merely bell-curve assumptions.
So true. Psychologist = Sherlock Holmes
Already planning the 2nd and 3rd listening of this podcast. JP is the most amazing teacher! Thank you both. #lobster
"Yeah, I'll put my hand out for you, but it's not because I'm a fool." ❤
Who else would like to see Jordan Peterson speak to Norman Finkelstein?
Not me. I’d rather hear norm from Cheers 🍻.
Norm doesn't have the patience for an ass like Peterson.
That would be awful. NF has an insane case of tunnel vision in regards to Israel/Palestine and whenever he bumps into someone with a tiny bit of a more realistic view of the situation (ie Hamas are not ‘freedom fighters) he turns into a little baby and throws his bottle and pacifier out of his stroller
Literally cleaning out my childhood room at this moment, and it’s a mixture between nostalgia and regret; but, JP ain’t lying, it’s cathartic.
Invite Slavoj Zizek, Lex 🤞🏻🤍
@@clorofilaazulonly boring if you don’t like him, I found it pretty interesting. Zizek would be *schniffs* great also *schniff* … *fiddles with nose*
Probably doesn't want to get spit on
Zizek is real, Peterson is fake guru
It's not a podcast for actual intellectuals.
That dude is gross
wow, that part on envy “advice for young people” really hit home.
Beautiful. The Jordan we knew. The Jordan we missed. A great mind. Brilliant interview.
Cleaned my life 🙏🏽
First. Epic duo, can’t get enough editions of this guest
You ain't first boi
@@andrewf6111 I can be what I want to be, my pronouns are he / First.
@@CriptoWillywhy do the people who complain about pronouns are always so corny
@@mig539 it’s in the DNA I guess
@@mig539 You/U mad bro?
Unveiling Your Hidden Potential by Bruce Thornwood (thank me later)
Reddit says this is marketing garbage.
Bookmarked
Jesus yall comment this on everything and it's very obvious it's a scam every time. Surprised you only did the insane amount of likes this time, instead of all those comments, because it made it look extra spammy.
You are getting thanked now and you are gonna like it😤
@@Nibot2023that’s how you know this book is at least worth looking into
Lex Fridman always asks excellent questions, but My God! Those questions he made in this conversation with Jordan Peterson felt even more elevated. It’s as if the best in one brought out the best in the other. Lex seemed to push himself further, and his questions drew out some of the most profound insights from Jordan. Both are consistently remarkable, but this interaction felt like a peak moment for both of them.
This was such a good episode. and gave me a lot to think about when watching guests on people's podcasts!!! 😬 Thank you both so much for being such wonderful people!! We are so lucky to have minds like yours in our world, and that you have given us access to learn from!!!
I’m humble and grateful, may God bless all.
Jordan spitting bars.
With regards to density of meaning through linguistic calculus, Dr. Peterson has a way of expression that is triple entendre.
If I could attend this conversation I would ask the following question: Dr. Peterson, your point that most parents would rather sacrifice themselves than their children highlights a deep parental instinct to protect. However, considering this in a theological context where God is portrayed as an unsacrificeable figure, how do you reconcile this with the notion of God's ultimate sacrifice? If God, by nature, cannot be sacrificed, what does this imply about his role as a father? How does he empathize with the human experience of sacrifice and loss, especially from a parent's perspective?
Thank you.
@@jon1979romaBy Christian calculus: God the son on the cross, answers the question.
@@jon1979roma He loves you, but His love is conditionally based on you also loving Him. It's not a great relationship dynamic.
Since He created everything He created the necessity for the sacrifice and He created the situation in which the loss occurred. Nice, huh?
(2 cents)
@jon1979roma god within the Christian framework is Jesus, god and the holy spirit. Jesus is how this is reconciled
@jon1979roma He would probably bring up Abraham's beginnings and then say something about how His ultimate sacrifice is the ideal image of the goal of parenthood: to painfully counter their instincts and correctly sacrifice or "let go" of their children into a hostile world so that they can save some part of it. Then he might go on a tangent about the pathology of those that can't let go and their perpetual children. I'd be curious to see if and how he goes into God the Father's feeling of loss as compared to his images' feeling
YESSIR! Downloading this one and taking it into the jungle with me - my two favorites!
couple of zi*nists
btw - have been trying to contact Jungle Keepers as a recipient (Impact Partner) for corporate donor funds via Linked-In but unfortunately no one is responding.
I can relate to the pain section so strongly. this week is three years of my injury and 12 years of my daily headache. Without pain I would be content in any situation; with my pain the smallest task seems tremendous of an effort
This a podcast where i can't just watch the clips, I have to find the full podcast.
Love the jacket, Dr. JP and I have read all of your books, which have changed my life. Thank you!
Jordan has some of the most interesting suits 🤔
A reflexion of his troubled and crooked personality.
@@flxjay8985 hater spotted
@@elvisvan
Where?
Salute to Lex for being able to be on the same page with Peter the whole time.
Dammit you made me purchase the hotel wifi so I could listen to this now
What hotel chain are you in? Are you there for business or pleasure? Did you bring a book, if so what?
Good for you, confronting the dragon of WiFi head on with your shoulders back 👍
Later try to make a habitable order from the chaos of hotel lobby 😂