even in SC the map runners die forever kinda unfair and strange, they should just die and lose portals and fail not just void lol unless your playing HC
This mechanic is so annoying, I thought it would be cool but they just keep dying in tier 1 & 2 maps!! There is no point in spending gold on this, there is barely any profit. This should be the last bit of town you invest in.
@@sS0ulSs My biggest problem is not them dying in tier 1 & 2 maps, I had them tier 7&8 maps with the 1% risk and the moment one of my six runners died, the whole map running thing came to an hold, cause the risk increased to 5-10% with one runner less and since you don't get low tier maps with running high tier maps + voidstones, you don't have any low tier maps for them to run. I would rather invest in a full Tier 10 workers farm + ships, sure your sailors can die too even with a 0% risk mission, but that just reduces the ressources you can send with a ship and does not stop the operation completly.
The shipment reward not scaling equally when entering big number shipment is disappointing, I want to send giga shipment that takes 6-8 hour to send and sleep, wake up and get giga reward
@@Don_Giovanni yeah , the issue starts at high number currency exchange , i tried to buy 1500 jewellery orb and it requested 60k gold , but if i want 5 divine for a trade it asks 250gold , it needs some adjustment :D
@@Don_Giovannii dont really have a problem with getting gold. its hard for me to even understand how people arent making gold. do you just run blight/sanctum or smth like that?
Have you normally been able to sustain chisels ..? Affliction and Necropolis don't count as the item drop rates there were out of control and do not represent normal gameplay. And in prior leagues you never sustained chisels
Yeah it's really bad. Not once in the 5 or so years I've been playing this game could I not sustain chisels. I always without exception chiseled all my maps as soon as I hit red maps. They really messed something up by nerfing all the quant. Yesterday I had a 7.5 k tricolour wisp map and it didn't even drop a single c. I'm just farming deli currency reward tiles now atleast they drop something. Or maybe I become a sanctum cuck.
I think chisels are like 17 for 20c or something. So, you can also just open your Kirac missions (run them or not) and buy 20 chisels for 8c each time. I have been doing this and running red altar for awhile as some maps you drop 20-80 chisels. As mentioned above logbooks and sanctums are now selling for chisels. I’ve sold like 5 of each + the above and I’m just sitting on roughly 1200 chisels. I should probably sell some now that I think about it lol
I don't play enough, or efficient enough when I am playing, to take advantage of the league mechanic. I'm ok with the bubble gum currency from shipping crops, but I'm not going to bother with the mappers or other higher level content. My character is doing well (Balormage's Holy Relic build) and I'm looking to get the rune crafting higher for more damage mods, but that's about it. Still having fun though.
I highly recommend the mappers. Personally, I can only have tier 7 workers. But with a tier 7 and 3 tier 6 mappers, I can have them do rare tier 6 maps with about a 2% risk of death on average. Their wages don't cost much because of the tiers, but they bring in stuff more consistently than boats imo
@@cooper5602 The 1 t7 must be a big damage boost. With 4x t6 mappers I see a 5-0% chance of death with yellow t5 maps. I've been puttering around with magic white maps and rare drops to t3 while spending gold elsewhere and not getting any higher level mapper recruits.
@@Dan_Neely It scales really aggressively. For example my map device is maxed. I have 1 t10, 1 t9, 1 t8, 3 t7s. They clear rare/corrupted t16s with ~5% chance of death or less. The lower levels don't seem worth it IMO but the maxed map device with middle/upper tier workers is insanely good.
@@Dan_Neely must be i guess. one of my tier 6's died and i replaced him with a tier 5. My risk chance on tier 6-7 maps is still around 6% per map when alched
Two criticisms for me. 1. I have to constantly take off workers to lower my wage/hour while I am sleeping. Having them work while I am sleeping means I have to map for a long time just to get back to the gold value I was at before I went to bed, meaning I feel like I am not making a lot of progress. 2. Some upgrades with the town require Verisium Ore and not Bars, so if you turned all of your ore into bars and don't find any Verisium Ore nodes for several hours/days, your town upgrades are actually bricked because you had them smelt while you were sleeping. This actually happened to me.
At first it seems fine, but at one point the rate felt too expensive, and we have to keep grinding maps. Wish there are other ways to earn gold, or to lessen the cost
@@jamrolypolyXD There really isn't. An end-game working setup will cost you 500k-1,000k gold per day, and as far as I know, there is no way to support that. Even if someone were to come up with an ultra-specific atlas map passive tree setup for it, nobody should ever have to do that. I should be able to run maps for 15-30 minutes a day to pay for the workers, even in the far, far end-game at tier 15+ maps. The fact that it's not even close to this is a huge problem. Telling your workers to sit at the pub is the only thing you can do. Most of my workers don't actually work. I only put them to work when I can't send a shipment or build something now. I don't have them passively generate resources or do anything for me anymore. It doesn't even feel like it's a league mechanic I engage with anymore. I love the idea of this mechanic, and the game is still fun regardless since I haven't played in like a year, but the mechanic is not well-thought out in terms of execution. Needs a patch. I would cut tier 12 worker to 100 or 200 gold per hour tops. That way you can actually have 30-40 workers like the game seems to be designed for. Right now, I see no reason why we need so much worker population for - you'd go broke overnight.
They need a verisium and bismuth bank at least. I just have a smelter on 1 thing I have a bunch of and defund the town to some extent when I head to bed.
First time I gave PoE a serious try was Metamorph. Hardcore ripped during the campaign a few times (Dominus fight, Kitava fight mostly) and lost interest. Came back to PoE for Ultimatum, Heist and Kalandra league, but always grew bored as soon as I hit maps. I can't explain what it is, but this league here? I am hooked on the game as I never was. I've been playing 12 hours a day since it came out and feel super motivated to read through the wiki, watch guides and educate myself about the deeper mechanics of the game. Settlers is the league that finally made me love the game. I have no clue why.
Been having lots of fun as a casual player so far. Got my first divine orb from a shipment and just deferred 2 divine orbs from a ritual since I didn't get enough tribute for them. Using a cyclone shockwave setup and spinning to win.
yea gold is my main complaint of this league that... and you need 2 power runes(or more... have to unlock that bench to see cost for crafting) for 2 challenges when its so damn rare
A slider for recombinators would just recreate the same problem Necropolis had, where it is only used for teh highest endgame crafts because anything less is a waste of gold. Just buff how they work now and call it a day.
For me, gold is annoying because i'm concerned about it over playing the game. And loot sucks. It is just horrible this league. And a lot of ascendancies lack tankiness. It's so hard to get tanky :S
As someone who cannot play for dozens of hours a day, it feels like I have to choose between barely sustaining my settlement, actually pursuing upgrades, or whether I even touch the currency exchange or black market. I can only really choose one and that's it just because I cannot really boost gold any more than I already have. Sucks tbh.
yea i agree. Atlest when you juice your map full on with league mechanics i.E like 5 scarabs etc in T16s you should get way more. At tops i make like 12k/map but the sink is so massive (i only have miners and smelters + enchanters working) i can barely keep myself up with gold when i also bulk trade away my farmed stuff. I dont use boats or mapping at all because i just cannot afford it.
the gold drops are completly fine. you get just with a magic redmap 2-3k gold with no extra packsize or floortile content. Which means in about 2 min you can get almost one hour of a completely maxxed town going. if you do any "real" content, you are swimming in gold and have your town going constantly 24/7. im at a point where i could just stop to play for a week and it would still keep going, and im not a juicer or anything, just an alch and go zoomer.
@@SamolonXDYT Weirdly enough i'm an alch and go player since that's all I know about the game cause it's my second league, yet there's nothing i can run constantly in my town, not one thing. So there's an issue somewhere. Mappers cost like 3k an hour, so what thats like 15 maps a day just to have this single guy running for 24h hours ? What about the the 5 other mappers ? Thats 90 maps a day just to have mappers running. There are 5 other buildings to run. Maybe you're farming a mechanic that scales more, but there is no way you're sustaining a fully maxxed town if you just alch and go, except if you alch and go t17s. Or you alch and go 18 hours a day. Or both
I have more wealth this league than ever. I always have something meaningful to do. The boats have printed many items I've sold for multiple divs. I think this league is awesome for long-time players whether you are casual, no-life, or somewhere un between. I didnt play last legue so U dont k ow much about wildwood. I guess it's popping up next to ritual? Not a big fan of ritual, so i likely dont see it much. I bought the boss fragment from the exchange an it was way too easy. Also, The Black Knight was an easy rare with phases. Pirate boss was a bit more interesting. I wish there was more new endgame challenges. Perhaps I havent found it yet
"THE WILDWOOD IS BACK" still makes mobs unkillable but now they dont drop anything hurray!!! "SENTINELS ARE BACK" except they are exceptionally rare, they have no atlas tree support at all and sentinel empowered mobs dont drop anything, HURRAY!! The league mechanic is actually fun and rewarding tho, i've been getting divines regularly from my 1-2mill ships edit: oh also sanctum still prints divine like crazy, it f*ing sucks when a mechanic is insanely more rewarding than literally anything else
Average Sanctum player here, what's gold? I've heard a lot about it but never seen it. It's kinda weird not having any gold at all in some side content.
my main issue is the gold FOMO. I am locked into speed farming t16/17s if I want to engage with the league mechanic. At the moment I've decided to skip mappers entirely, I still reroll and buy any high tier ones just incase. But it is a too heavy cost when you can only play a couple hours daily. Even without mappers, my gold goes empty inbetween sessions and I've got good setup to farm it (can do t17s with all map mod effect nodes easily, and I have ~150% item rarity on gear). Like those t17s can give 50-100k gold each and only take a few minutes, but it isn't enough, I still run out. Early in the league I assumed this wouldn't be an issue because most of the gold cost was upgrading the town, and when it's fully upgraded then you'll naturally have excess gold. I was very wrong, excess gold does not exist at any stage of gameplay.
@skaffen I wouldn't be surprised if they changed something, but it really does feel pretty much exactly the same as always. Actually this league I got many more whetstones and armor scraps early than normal so that was the only noticeable difference. But nonetheless yes, ground loot has been dogshit for years. Always has been.
I think the only people saying they can't make any currency are hardcore balls to the walls players. I'm making plenty of currency and enjoying my time. PoE players get extremely caught up with feeling like they aren't playing the game right unless they have every little thing min-maxed, and I don't know how they can do that without just hating everything they do.
@@vuton7670upgrade farm, mine max first. You dont really need to max disenchanter just enough to get decent dust. Runemaking and combinators arent really necessary. Map running is super expensive to sustain.
we have a way to process goods to make it worth 5x more on the ships , what i would like is that we can process things into beer/wine / other stuff so that it is worth 5x more like the bars
Dude I feel the gold struggle. This is actually the furthest i've ever progressed in a league and im just starting to do reds, but it's kinda slow. I've had to turn off my farmers for a bit just to try to save up enough gold to even upgrade stuff. It's a disaster.
The league mechanic will only be saved by passive gold generation. Shipments and Mappers should generate gold. I also think there should be some kind of shop that works just like the disenchanter that converts items to gold.
Cant have the things that you use to SPEND gold, make you gold.. Just make things drop more gold, can hide it in some obscure places, specific mob packs or whatever.. or they can have some even that lowers the rates a bit
Nope, that defies the purpose of having gold in the first place, where you have to legit play to make gold. Just buff the gold rates with higher tiers.
i was enjoying 3.25 before i reached to endgame bosses my favorite build boneshatter just feel too bad to play this league trauma stack lower, mana cost increased, determination nerf, autoexerrion reserve mana or i have to do it myself they also removed attack speed from rage maybe im doing something wrong but with my1000dps axe i have to do the dancing machine 3times at the last phaze to kill maven but i know that a skill cant be great at every league. so i choosed swap my jug to berserker warcry slam build and i have to say its 10x more annoying to warcry than placing totems
I feel ya. I just stayed on for half an hour after I was ready to go to sleep just so that I could make sure my town had enough gold to run till I get on tomorrow 😂 But at least the mechanic makes me want to play more, instead of not being fun enough to provide that desire.
@@banzaiplop4265 It's 100% a mentality shift you need to make if you feel this is oppressive. Just don't have your mappers queue maps when you go to bed and you'll have plenty of gold, they're by far the biggest offender of gold sink
I wanted to play blight, but you hardly get any gold from it at all. It's like I'm forced to choose between the league mechanic or blight it's not possible to do both.
That's actually kinda weird that you say this, as I bounced around tons of mechanics and feel like Blight is one of the very few that rewards enough gold to feel fair.
Stacked t16 blighted map gives around 1500 gold... if you spammed them solid you can't even run your town on a basic level. Removal of extractors makes in atlas maps blight feel awful.
Same. But every time a blight spawns both me and my friends games just freeze and close without any error messages and when we get back the blight is obviously dead because they reached the pump. Not really sure what is happening with the game but so many things seem to need fixing sadly...
5 to 10k? i was making 20k gold minimum from t16s with even low investment strategies, some of which are decent but not the most optimal mechanics (harbs, ambush) i agree gold can go a bit higher in output but you should not be struggling that hard
Did you get the last mining upgrade? It adds almost 1k per map and even 2 if you get 2 ore spawns. Also the gold you're getting Is very low for red maps, unless you're still in yellow or white maps. It definitely gets better when you go up in tiers. Another thing you can do is constantly send low value boats for short distances to bait the pirate boss, he gives 35-50k gold everytime.
@@trad5479 sry but this is bullshit, i record gold gained per map, im doing only t16, atlas set for exarch, legion and expedition, top nodes for conquerors and guardians + box and shrines bonuses. With couple scarabs to add additional legion, some addional packs - 18-19k gold is absolutely max that i saw literally 3 times, usual amount is around 10-12k with some dips to 8k even few times into 6k if spawn were very bad, this also match what my discord is recording so either you are doing something that everyone else is missing or you dont bother to actually check how much gold you are getting from every map, ofc you can try to juice maps even more ie 100% delirium but builds that can do these comfortably is limited, in comparison t17 is just beyond above what t16 can do
I'm not going to max out number of workers, but move them around to what I need. It's working out pretty well. Maxing your town means you need to max out your gold. I think the League is probably the best, because it's so different and it's a blanket addition to the game instead of just adding a new mechanic.
Once you max out your town youre just playing standard tho.. there is legitimately nothing interesting about the base game this patch since every interesting non-T17 strat was deleted.. Kingsmarch is/was great while it lasted.. but the base game is in an absolutely abysmal state.
@@jakemartin5553 Base game is literally the best its been in ages. Thank fuck theres no insane loot multipliers like necro or affliction. Melee isn't shit anymore.
I think the same problem that exists with the wildwood exists on a smaller scale but way, WAY more commonly with resistance monsters (fire & ignite, lightning & shock, etc.). They're far tankier than everything else in a map including the boss and give no extra reward. Fighting them is a complete waste of time and sometimes those mods spawn on like an essence that you need, and essence monsters are already tanky enough when they get 3 - 4 essences. These resistance mods need to be nerfed or removed or at the very least not be able to double up i.e. physical resistant & crit resistant or fire & ignite and spell resistant.
Sanctum doesn't need to give gold, its already massively rewarding and feels like one of the only ways to make real currency. Other side content could use a buff.
@@Nyver253 They didn't shadow nerf anything. They literally nerf quant on bunch of different monsters and stated as such in the notes. Sanctum doesn't get touched by that. Sanctum also has always been immensely OP for currency farming. Far better than any other league that involved static rewards.
@@Nyver253 Nothing has been nerfed, in fact league monsters were buffed to have loot like ultimatum. You're just feeling the effects of not having absolutely broken ass busted shit leagues like affliction multiplying the loot to absurd levels. Thank fuck its gone.
"we've made defensive layers easier to get" -> Does the opposite. Whats the point of buffing things if you just nerf everything by more in the same category
@@TheCosmicAstro-the nerfs to Determination and Grace is because almost EVERY HC build ran Grace, Determination and Defiance Banner because their buffs were so strong on their own. Clearly they weren't in a good place balance wise
@@TheFreepie That isnt an argument lol. They were basically required to have solid defenses, this is being proven with the global issues people are having with defenses. Even IF for a moment i pretended that you were correct(youre not). And we say these buffs were too strong by themselves. The new base types are not a reliable source to make up for it, alongside we were given NOTHING to replace the defenses that were lost. Alongside we lost a ton of physical taken as elemental conversion. The point is if they want to nerf a defensive layer ok sure whatever, but you MUST give a realistic alternative at the same time. Simply deleting defenses feels like shit and this has been proven many times over for years.
@@TheCosmicAstro- we were given more health, quality is now more instead of increased armor, and I don't have to give up 95% of my mana anymore. I love these changes.
I want to know if ggg intended for us to run every part of the town at once, or if they thought we would choose 2-3 town nodes to fund. It would explain the amount of gold we receive. Not sure I agree with side content not dropping gold. It makes it hard to justify doing something outside of normal mapping. I am enjoying myself just think we need some small tweaks.
see thats the thing. all the town/league mechanic are interconnected to only do select few of it. but i'm with you on the side mechanics. i'm not a juicer, my current build can also do only t16 easily, t17 barely, and not having problems with gold hopefully gold buff is incoming for non-juicers/the rest of 99%/non-streamers
@@bakedmomo5693 Mapping is completely dosconnected from anything else, farming has nothing to do with ore, disenchanting is only required for recombination and it's use for shipping is extremely low in terms of cost. Shipping can be done using only ore or only crops zero problems. It is simply not true that they interconnected too much.
Gold is fine! Maybe, just maybe, if you a casual player, you shouldnt have kingsmarch fully upgraded by the end of week 1, maybe you shouldnt BE able to have your mappers running 24/7... Ppl are acting as if they are missing out on loot if they cant do everything all at once, but they shouldnt be able to unless they cant dedicate 15 hours a day for it...
Then you're doing something wrong with your tree somewhere. I only have 2 watchstones and have been sitting permanently at T16s and only just started chiseling in the last couple days.
@@zarteck7793 how? are you talking about the new chisels or the basic one? cause the basic one can be easily sustained unless your kirac bugged out and just won't sell you any. I'm assuming you have more than 20 divines cause Kirac sells them for 8c : 20 chisels
In past leagues however, I would never have to buy chisels from Kirac. I would have hundreds just from what I loot in maps. This league, they're barely dropping at all. It's a stark change.
brother, this is a video game. I truly haven't experienced any of the things you're saying that is an issue, expect the side content not giving enough gold. These are only problems for the hyper minority elites that play this game as a job.
Definitely the drop in scaling loot at the high has massively affected alch-and-go even at T16. It's clear that it wasn't just a tail effect they chopped off but a median shift lower for all things that matter.
yeah, i dunno what the loot formula is exactly but it feels like they lowered the base drops to account for inflated multipliers instead of addressing the multipliers individually. Which just shifts the wealth even further into the giga farmers.
Saying this league is top 2 is cope. This league was somehow worse than necropolis which was the worst received league to date. No one likes clash of clans league and every other content creator has been vocal with how bad this league is. I hope no one at GGG takes this video into consideration
I've been trying to enjoy this league but as someone who doesn't just play PoE all day the gold poverty is just a massive chore that makes me not enjoy the league nearly as much as I had hoped
for the record, I do enjoy the league, it's just really hard to constantly have to worry about having enough gold to do literally anything but continue farming it.
@@chiefinasmiththat’s the whole point of playing a league though is the new league mechanic, if you totally ignore the new stuff why not just play standard
Not me getting 1 tapped with 20 Fortify, Spell Suppression Cap, Slayer Leech, 4k life, 10k Evasion and Armour, 12% Dodge, Flesh and Stone, and 8 Endurance charges. :-()
I'm at 17 Fortify, 50k armour, 88/75 all res, capped spell supp, 4 end charges, 68/65 block with 450 life gain on block, and the only thing that can kill me in map is all-remnants Archaelogy expedition rares :p (Later waves of Ultimatum come close sometimes).
To be honest, if you have gold anxiety and have to feel like you have to farm gold so that you can sustain your settlement while you sleep, thats a you problem not a grinding gear problem. The game isnt created for the 1% of the 1% that make this game their living. Most people don't have to have a virtual settlement operate while they sleep otherwise they experience physical symptoms. Plenty of other things worthwhile to do tbh.
Big agree. Recomb was the single most exciting thing I was looking forward to and they are depressing right now. Also, I feel like I have to spend an hour before bed and before work, making sure I have enough gold to cover those time spans are stressful.
Im already done with league, maxed out town...and its just not for me. I tried to make myself like it, but its not doing it for me. I do agree it was a very smooth start, and I can appreciate what they are doing. I may return mid league, but there are other things to play i enjoy more. And thats ok, I still love the game, I play every league, and look forward to what is next.
Juicing is in a weird place because of T17 maps, everything is priced around t17 maps so most strategies are hardly worth it on T16 maps due to the insane scarab costs. I honestly don't even bother with mappers in town, complete waste of money for a casual player, it's unreasonable to farm that much gold when you have a fulltime job, just boats, farms and ores is more than enough and i can keep the cost to around 10k an hour while barely losing anything because i simply can't play that often
This. I thought the defense nerfs were completely unnecessary as it was already hard enough and pidgeon-holed enough before with defenses. Now it's just endurance charges to the max or fuck your paper thin build.
That's completely wrong. In POE a good offence is required and is the best defensive layer. Zizaran plays HC, HC plays by different rules and does not reflect the gameplay intended by the developers.
@@MyNameIsSalo They said "it sucks the fun out of building offense" which I completely agree with and that does not mean it isn't required...Your billion dps build is gonna feel like hot garbage if a basic mob sneezes on you and kills you and you take 4-5 portals to run every single map you do. It's not fun or engaging gameplay.
yeah, town becomes pretty unsustainable endgame unless you are focus giga mapping and ignoring every other mechanic, worker salaries are like... completely random and not only getting high tier workers is hard, but rolling them for cost is not easy... they could really revamp (or even make another whole league) to improve this, I could totally see them adding something similar to Heist where you can get drop-able and craft-able items to customize it (workers or even buildings in this case), something with mods like: - reduced gold consumption - extra resources processed - extra gold per resource processed - shipments grant +% extra currency - shipments get -% risk - shipments get +% total value - a bunch of negative outcomes maybe it's two kind of items, one for the buildings (works to improve the general things of all workers like wages) and another for "work tools", they improve things for a particular job. or maybe not items but the workers themselves are craft-able items with rarities and all... also, add ways to get resources and gold from playing other league mechanics, like: - delve is literally the perfect target for ore farming adding ore nodes to the map - heists for large sums of gold - blight chest rewards containing gold/resources - harvest granting food resources and I would let recombinators to the experts, I have ideas but I wouldn't know how to balance it. I think what we want is having at least a bit of control on the process, like having to pay for up to 100 "juice-of-something" that you can use to spread among the modifiers of the items to make them more/less likely to appear in the final item, maybe use the tables of weights for prefixes/suffixes rolls for chances... or maybe the chances split on whatever mods you select, for example, lets say I select a single mod, then it's guaranteed to be on the final item... then let's say I want 2 mods, one from each item, well, that's going to make a 50-50 for both mods to be on the result (obviously the roll is chanced per mod with a 50% chance of happening in this case) and let's say I have two 6-mod items and I want 3-mods from each, well that's going to be 1/6 for every mod which is pretty unrealistic but you would want anything from 2-4 to be safe... this would also be extremely user friendly and pretty useful for campaign/early game... overall, I feel like the league economy is "balanced" so less experienced players are not left behind by giving them "free" currency and items on something they don't have to min-max and it's pretty straightforward
All they really had to do with recombinators is kill the multiple fractures onto one item. That was the only major offender imo. What’s wrong with having two Essence mods on an item? That was not super cheap to do unless u got really lucky. What they did is so anti-fun that it’s totally insane to me. As a dev if the mechanic was so broken that u had to do this many nerfs then don’t bring it back. Make a new mechanic. It’s lazy game creation while also just being stupid.
If you have 100k dust to spend on a gambling craft that doesn't exist yet, stop paying to have it made. Surplus isn't always a smart move. The settlers won't be angry on the bench, but one could argue that this isn't a skill they want to be good at in a game. I also bench miners and smiths when I am offline since the time away is longer than the work they have to do. If you have a lot of ore to mine or refine, consider a rank 1 as that may be the correct option for the ore left and time away. Math seems pretty common practice in this game already. Or just remove the skill requirement and have free stuff come to your mailbox. Why have a town if you remove the skill in its mini-game? I had great success building my starting mapping gear in recom. What worked best for me was a 3-prefix and 1-suffix item combined with a 1-prefix and 3-suffix item. I add a crafting table modifier I would be okay with getting, and there is still a gamble. I have not tried to do the fancy stuff that would reward only players with advanced knowledge in the first place, giving them an edge over most of the player base. I suppose they can watch a video to learn how to do it. Complicating the game to where you have to watch a TH-cam video to learn how to do it sounds like creating a problem with the solution being sold to me, but the game is already that way. Currency is your time and watching ads, but I guess that isn't considered the same if the company sold you the solution for money. Luckily for me, I have time and I like watching TH-cam videos that teach me stuff.
the gold cost is indeed an issue, i dont want to grind for it before going to bed but i know this is what ggg wants, i dont do it and then i come back in the morning and feel like ive lost my time so it gets annoying more then fun.
@@Deminese2 i know, im stating that the league is creating fomo issues wich is very bad in the long term, its all about the direction the game is going that needs to change
I honestly hate Amber mining the most, watching very tanky mobs run straight past me and to the tree every time does not feel good. I prefer any of the others honestly, even Verisium because at least its my fault I failed for getting too greedy.
I totally wish I had more time to play the game because I 100% play SSF. The fomo in trade and being forced to play builds that can do t17s sucks and the scarab situation in general is terrible.
@@Deceit-hx7ey I usually go back once I’m done with trade and do some SSF practice runs but if the game doesn’t massively improve soon I’m either going to completely stop playing or make the swap to SSF all the time. T17s are awful and the scarab system is even worse.
Forget defences, I'm sure they've buffed the shit out of mage type enemies.... A mob of blue arsonists or skeleton mages hitting me together can one shot me in tier 11 maps with no rippy mods and 4k life, 26 fortify, 5 endurance charges, arctic armour at 30%, sand stance flesh and stone, 82% fire res and my friend having the champion 20% reduced ally damage taunt node. In the same breath, I can get whaled on by juiced Maraketh legion rares in a t16 with hairy mods and afk for a smoke with no danger. I'm convinced they messed something up when rebalancing the T17 maps that affected all the others because a white T6 skeleton casting a fireball shouldn't be hitting harder than Xoph.
I don't think GGG meant the league mec to be a constant AFK farm. If you get to max town lvl then you will need a lot more resources, but rewards will also increase. If they make it easier to get rewards, there will be a massive inflation. I think the mechanic is balanced. If you want massive amount of AFK loot, you will have to grind also a massive amount.
That's still a problem. It creates a source of FOMO which ruins enjoyment of the game, and prevents players from wanting to engage with a lot of content
@@PowerfulSkeleton If you read the last 3 words, that is what I said. The majority of the video was talking about bad things, but he opened and closed with how he loves all the 'bad' stuff.
Really enjoying the league but ya gold needs buffed or cost nerfed. What is funny is I’m not having tank issues but that’s could be because of my 80k life regen build
im just not understanding how people are broke, i do my own atlas trees and inefficiently experiment constantly and im honestly turbo dogshit at this game im currently sitting on 40 raw div and another 100div according to wealthyexile, with the bulk of that in currency and scarabs, with half my playtime spent goofing off in my hideout or playing 4fun and not with efficiency in mind i feel like you have to TRY to not make currency in this game, random general drops are definitely weak as opposed to before now, yes, yet i was still making profit from beyond, harbies, ambush, legion, ive done a shit ton of strats, and they all feel like they work well, obviously some way better than others, but general opinions of loot nerfs feels very exaggerated, it shouldn't be making you broke unless you were like new at the game, but at that point worrying about any of this stuff is completely pointless and self-defeating and regardless even if everyone was broke, that just makes it relative... realistically the very very top around like 1% of players are capped much much harder than anyone else, it just shouldn't be the case for the majority of people that play this game, makes me wonder if ppl are just echoing the opinions of their favourite streamer or reading too much reddit rather than actually playing the game for fun
Let's think about this long term with Settlers going core. Where I have to plainly say that Kingsmarch is a very invasive town. May not feel like that right now, but what you are playing this League is what you will be playing in every League going forward. On top of the new content. Because the Kalguurans are very resource demanding. Without Ores and, most importantly, without Gold, you can't do anything there. Even if we have a finished town that we gain access to as we enter Maps, it still needs Gold in every piece of content going forward. At much higher rates than now. Especially in side content. Because you shouldn't be expected to grind for hours before doing other things. Including sleep. The solution can't be "make everyone stop working." That needs so much more active upkeep and likely creates an ever growing backlog. And we don't feel good about those in this game. Being able to opt into content is great. But Kingsmarch is opt out and that changes things greatly. So at least make the general upkeep as passive as one can.
Tbh.. once you max out Kingsmarch.. youre just playing standard on a patch where the entire base game was nerfed to just be slightly worse in every possible way... except melee got a numbers boost alongside a massive sweeping nerf to attack speed across the board.
i kinda love the patch, except things like glassbauble and chisel shortage......and of course unrewarding content despite full investment into it (ritual.....). But yeah it's cool have more different skills to play, thats for sure. Happy totems are gone, they were just PoB traps to inflate numbers. But the league, I truly don't see why people love it is so much, I just don't get it, to me its just bad at every level. Its the first league (I started playing at launch) I left after less than a week. I kinda dislike that they made Necro league mech based on a good idea but with tedious terrible implementation. Here the implementation is good, but the mobile game idea is bad to the core. I wish good league to all, see you next league.
I really hate having to go back to town and do the shipments… such a chore . Oh and you need to keep playing to upkeep your town. Overhyped league n baited as always
Im in alch-and-go red maps atm and, it being summertime, I cant really play more than 3-4hours a day. The gold situatuon atm has forced me to empty the Kingsmarch coffers and just grind gold untill I can get all the town upgrades, because hourly gold sink on low level kingsmarch workers amounts to nothing in the end, maybe a bit of bubblegum currency from ships. Having to play this way, to me it means its badly designed i.e. the gold should be dropping a lot more.
I still think the the current version of the recombinator is fufilling what is supose too and don't think it needs a buff, though i think the gold cost on top is too much. I would like to see them keep the recombinator as it is but at a much lower gold cost or no gold cost for use. I think it still makes dropped items with rare modifiers on bad bases usefull which i believe is its most important function.
My loot was so bad I ended up switching to a meta build that costs much less to scale early. And aside from a few early shipments to get a leveling unique, it seems best just to turn off most of the town to focus on leveling mines and recruiting to max, farms and smelting enough to be able to generate resources for upgrades, and shipping enough to have access to all ports and 6 crew. Otherwise, you can easily end up with a cash flow problem and unable to send shipments that can actually earn good currency.
The only thing i want is an automatic pickup of gold every time I drop some, like when you kill expedition mobs you insta get the currency for expedition
Had a blast but am finding it really hard to actually get into poe as a newer player. So much bloat and studying that I would basically have to do just to catch up it feels like. I'm basically just waiting for poe2 in hopes that there will be some sort of reset.
I just started playing this league and I gotta say, this game has a huge problem where the elite 10+ year veterans have a complete monopoly on game balance. Noobs like me don't get to even interact with all the cool stuff before it is Thanos snapped
This... sums up pretty much everything I've been feeling but unable to put into words. This was the first league I actually managed to make it past yellow maps (burnout usually gets to me), but I still petered out before ultimately hitting T16's, though I'm not too far off. All of the things you've said in this video, coupled with trying to wrap my head around the various systems, the changes that have occurred since the last time I played (crucible), made it ultimately exhausting.
I don’t understand why there isn’t more people upset. The balance in this patch is laughably bad. Gold isn’t just a small problem, it is crippling because ground drops are so totally dead. So you end up a slave to grinding it in order to progress any build. And with defenses being so hammered down, the gold grind becomes truly frustrating as so many stupid things can suddenly one shot you that used to be no problem. I get it that some people are enjoying themselves, but for me I just don’t understand why they nerfed the fun right out of the game this patch. It could be saved, although the mobile game mechanics are going to be terrible no matter what. But with most streamers largely giving GGG a free pass again I doubt it will.
Was really expecting the outro to be "try to die less than our map runners do" 😂
even in SC the map runners die forever kinda unfair and strange, they should just die and lose portals and fail not just void lol unless your playing HC
@@banishedbr Dying to a 1% risk feels like the xcom misfiring at point blank meme
@@lifeloverNorris90% hit chance, innit?
This mechanic is so annoying, I thought it would be cool but they just keep dying in tier 1 & 2 maps!! There is no point in spending gold on this, there is barely any profit.
This should be the last bit of town you invest in.
@@sS0ulSs My biggest problem is not them dying in tier 1 & 2 maps, I had them tier 7&8 maps with the 1% risk and the moment one of my six runners died, the whole map running thing came to an hold, cause the risk increased to 5-10% with one runner less and since you don't get low tier maps with running high tier maps + voidstones, you don't have any low tier maps for them to run.
I would rather invest in a full Tier 10 workers farm + ships, sure your sailors can die too even with a 0% risk mission, but that just reduces the ressources you can send with a ship and does not stop the operation completly.
Gold definitely needs a significant buff because cost overruns for basic operations for Kingsmarch is oppressive.
What are you doing with your maps in that case?
The shipment reward not scaling equally when entering big number shipment is disappointing, I want to send giga shipment that takes 6-8 hour to send and sleep, wake up and get giga reward
That is exactly how it works, but it's a bit more nuanced
I agree, scaling is shit. The rewards need to scale exponentially and multiplicitavaly and they simply do not.
@@MyNameIsSalo It isn't though.
and currency exchange is awesome
Which is also gated by gold, exacerbating the problem. 🙈
@@Don_Giovanni yeah , the issue starts at high number currency exchange , i tried to buy 1500 jewellery orb and it requested 60k gold , but if i want 5 divine for a trade it asks 250gold , it needs some adjustment :D
@@Don_Giovanniyeah thank fuck, if currency exchange didn’t cost gold bots would be insane
@@Don_Giovannii dont really have a problem with getting gold. its hard for me to even understand how people arent making gold. do you just run blight/sanctum or smth like that?
The lack of loot really is a downer for me, im a week in deep in T16 and i cannot sustain chisels even its crazy
Have you normally been able to sustain chisels ..? Affliction and Necropolis don't count as the item drop rates there were out of control and do not represent normal gameplay. And in prior leagues you never sustained chisels
do you run rare corrupt maps? i run them with 150% rarity on gear and having a lot of fun loot wise
Yeah it's really bad. Not once in the 5 or so years I've been playing this game could I not sustain chisels. I always without exception chiseled all my maps as soon as I hit red maps. They really messed something up by nerfing all the quant. Yesterday I had a 7.5 k tricolour wisp map and it didn't even drop a single c. I'm just farming deli currency reward tiles now atleast they drop something. Or maybe I become a sanctum cuck.
Logbooks sell for 20+ chisels rn. I run the big bomb node for expedition and sell my logbooks for chis. Expedition dropped 2 div at once last night.
I think chisels are like 17 for 20c or something. So, you can also just open your Kirac missions (run them or not) and buy 20 chisels for 8c each time.
I have been doing this and running red altar for awhile as some maps you drop 20-80 chisels.
As mentioned above logbooks and sanctums are now selling for chisels. I’ve sold like 5 of each + the above and I’m just sitting on roughly 1200 chisels. I should probably sell some now that I think about it lol
Been having a lot of fun even though I’ve been sick all week.
Does your boss follow your YT?
@@dcarter1898wouldnt matter thankfully
I don't play enough, or efficient enough when I am playing, to take advantage of the league mechanic. I'm ok with the bubble gum currency from shipping crops, but I'm not going to bother with the mappers or other higher level content. My character is doing well (Balormage's Holy Relic build) and I'm looking to get the rune crafting higher for more damage mods, but that's about it.
Still having fun though.
I highly recommend the mappers. Personally, I can only have tier 7 workers. But with a tier 7 and 3 tier 6 mappers, I can have them do rare tier 6 maps with about a 2% risk of death on average. Their wages don't cost much because of the tiers, but they bring in stuff more consistently than boats imo
@@cooper5602 The 1 t7 must be a big damage boost. With 4x t6 mappers I see a 5-0% chance of death with yellow t5 maps. I've been puttering around with magic white maps and rare drops to t3 while spending gold elsewhere and not getting any higher level mapper recruits.
@@Dan_Neely It scales really aggressively. For example my map device is maxed. I have 1 t10, 1 t9, 1 t8, 3 t7s. They clear rare/corrupted t16s with ~5% chance of death or less.
The lower levels don't seem worth it IMO but the maxed map device with middle/upper tier workers is insanely good.
@@Dan_Neely must be i guess. one of my tier 6's died and i replaced him with a tier 5. My risk chance on tier 6-7 maps is still around 6% per map when alched
How ziz talked about the way recombinators are a shell of what made them fun is the same feeling I got with how they gutted harvest over the years.
Two criticisms for me.
1. I have to constantly take off workers to lower my wage/hour while I am sleeping. Having them work while I am sleeping means I have to map for a long time just to get back to the gold value I was at before I went to bed, meaning I feel like I am not making a lot of progress.
2. Some upgrades with the town require Verisium Ore and not Bars, so if you turned all of your ore into bars and don't find any Verisium Ore nodes for several hours/days, your town upgrades are actually bricked because you had them smelt while you were sleeping. This actually happened to me.
At first it seems fine, but at one point the rate felt too expensive, and we have to keep grinding maps. Wish there are other ways to earn gold, or to lessen the cost
@@jamrolypolyXD There really isn't. An end-game working setup will cost you 500k-1,000k gold per day, and as far as I know, there is no way to support that. Even if someone were to come up with an ultra-specific atlas map passive tree setup for it, nobody should ever have to do that. I should be able to run maps for 15-30 minutes a day to pay for the workers, even in the far, far end-game at tier 15+ maps. The fact that it's not even close to this is a huge problem. Telling your workers to sit at the pub is the only thing you can do. Most of my workers don't actually work. I only put them to work when I can't send a shipment or build something now. I don't have them passively generate resources or do anything for me anymore. It doesn't even feel like it's a league mechanic I engage with anymore.
I love the idea of this mechanic, and the game is still fun regardless since I haven't played in like a year, but the mechanic is not well-thought out in terms of execution. Needs a patch. I would cut tier 12 worker to 100 or 200 gold per hour tops. That way you can actually have 30-40 workers like the game seems to be designed for. Right now, I see no reason why we need so much worker population for - you'd go broke overnight.
They need a verisium and bismuth bank at least. I just have a smelter on 1 thing I have a bunch of and defund the town to some extent when I head to bed.
First time I gave PoE a serious try was Metamorph. Hardcore ripped during the campaign a few times (Dominus fight, Kitava fight mostly) and lost interest.
Came back to PoE for Ultimatum, Heist and Kalandra league, but always grew bored as soon as I hit maps.
I can't explain what it is, but this league here? I am hooked on the game as I never was. I've been playing 12 hours a day since it came out and feel super motivated to read through the wiki, watch guides and educate myself about the deeper mechanics of the game. Settlers is the league that finally made me love the game. I have no clue why.
@@purpleltv3817 yea i stopped after ritual and ultimatum. Game got stale but now it feels like you can make good progress with any build.
Because the upkeep costs that come along with this league is an entertaining loop that isn't exhausting but constantly needs your attention.
takes most people a few leagues to get in deep :)
bcs mobile games are mega popular and this league is like a mobile game
same here
Been having lots of fun as a casual player so far. Got my first divine orb from a shipment and just deferred 2 divine orbs from a ritual since I didn't get enough tribute for them. Using a cyclone shockwave setup and spinning to win.
yea gold is my main complaint of this league
that... and you need 2 power runes(or more... have to unlock that bench to see cost for crafting) for 2 challenges when its so damn rare
A slider for recombinators would just recreate the same problem Necropolis had, where it is only used for teh highest endgame crafts because anything less is a waste of gold.
Just buff how they work now and call it a day.
For me, gold is annoying because i'm concerned about it over playing the game.
And loot sucks. It is just horrible this league.
And a lot of ascendancies lack tankiness. It's so hard to get tanky :S
Love the league mechanic. But the gold drop need a major buff. The low amount of gold killed it for me.
As someone who cannot play for dozens of hours a day, it feels like I have to choose between barely sustaining my settlement, actually pursuing upgrades, or whether I even touch the currency exchange or black market. I can only really choose one and that's it just because I cannot really boost gold any more than I already have. Sucks tbh.
yea i agree. Atlest when you juice your map full on with league mechanics i.E like 5 scarabs etc in T16s you should get way more. At tops i make like 12k/map but the sink is so massive (i only have miners and smelters + enchanters working) i can barely keep myself up with gold when i also bulk trade away my farmed stuff. I dont use boats or mapping at all because i just cannot afford it.
the gold drops are completly fine. you get just with a magic redmap 2-3k gold with no extra packsize or floortile content. Which means in about 2 min you can get almost one hour of a completely maxxed town going. if you do any "real" content, you are swimming in gold and have your town going constantly 24/7. im at a point where i could just stop to play for a week and it would still keep going, and im not a juicer or anything, just an alch and go zoomer.
@@c0refreAk. Same here bro, except i prioritize food for currency, since I'm a noob and getting divines is a pain
@@SamolonXDYT Weirdly enough i'm an alch and go player since that's all I know about the game cause it's my second league, yet there's nothing i can run constantly in my town, not one thing. So there's an issue somewhere. Mappers cost like 3k an hour, so what thats like 15 maps a day just to have this single guy running for 24h hours ? What about the the 5 other mappers ? Thats 90 maps a day just to have mappers running. There are 5 other buildings to run. Maybe you're farming a mechanic that scales more, but there is no way you're sustaining a fully maxxed town if you just alch and go, except if you alch and go t17s. Or you alch and go 18 hours a day. Or both
I have more wealth this league than ever. I always have something meaningful to do. The boats have printed many items I've sold for multiple divs. I think this league is awesome for long-time players whether you are casual, no-life, or somewhere un between.
I didnt play last legue so U dont k ow much about wildwood. I guess it's popping up next to ritual? Not a big fan of ritual, so i likely dont see it much. I bought the boss fragment from the exchange an it was way too easy.
Also, The Black Knight was an easy rare with phases. Pirate boss was a bit more interesting. I wish there was more new endgame challenges. Perhaps I havent found it yet
"THE WILDWOOD IS BACK" still makes mobs unkillable but now they dont drop anything hurray!!!
"SENTINELS ARE BACK" except they are exceptionally rare, they have no atlas tree support at all and sentinel empowered mobs dont drop anything, HURRAY!!
The league mechanic is actually fun and rewarding tho, i've been getting divines regularly from my 1-2mill ships
edit: oh also sanctum still prints divine like crazy, it f*ing sucks when a mechanic is insanely more rewarding than literally anything else
Your cognitive dissonance is fucking crazy 😂, everything is shit with no loot, please nerf sanctum
Average Sanctum player here, what's gold? I've heard a lot about it but never seen it.
It's kinda weird not having any gold at all in some side content.
my main issue is the gold FOMO. I am locked into speed farming t16/17s if I want to engage with the league mechanic. At the moment I've decided to skip mappers entirely, I still reroll and buy any high tier ones just incase. But it is a too heavy cost when you can only play a couple hours daily. Even without mappers, my gold goes empty inbetween sessions and I've got good setup to farm it (can do t17s with all map mod effect nodes easily, and I have ~150% item rarity on gear). Like those t17s can give 50-100k gold each and only take a few minutes, but it isn't enough, I still run out.
Early in the league I assumed this wouldn't be an issue because most of the gold cost was upgrading the town, and when it's fully upgraded then you'll naturally have excess gold. I was very wrong, excess gold does not exist at any stage of gameplay.
Mark needs to go.
ground loot feels so bad
Thats just path of exile.
Nothing new there.
@@TheCosmicAstro- okay let me rephrase, ground loot feels so bad compared to every other league I've played and I started in 3.18.
@SenatorBanana interesting. Doesnt feel any more or less shitty than it always has imo.
I've been playing since before Legion
@@TheCosmicAstro- I play since beta.
It's new.
@skaffen I wouldn't be surprised if they changed something, but it really does feel pretty much exactly the same as always.
Actually this league I got many more whetstones and armor scraps early than normal so that was the only noticeable difference.
But nonetheless yes, ground loot has been dogshit for years. Always has been.
I think the only people saying they can't make any currency are hardcore balls to the walls players. I'm making plenty of currency and enjoying my time. PoE players get extremely caught up with feeling like they aren't playing the game right unless they have every little thing min-maxed, and I don't know how they can do that without just hating everything they do.
the gold really sucks with a fully upgraded town.
you have to grind forever just to go to sleep or level an alt.
You can also not grind then go to sleep and grind when you wake up
they just stop working, it's not like the town will fall apart and you will need to start over, don't stress yourself
is it worth updating your town fully?
@@vuton7670upgrade farm, mine max first. You dont really need to max disenchanter just enough to get decent dust. Runemaking and combinators arent really necessary.
Map running is super expensive to sustain.
Or you can let it sit for awhile, its not a big deal its not like anything decays if the gold runs out.
Doing SSF and I haven't been having too much fun unfortunately. Farming the runes is already such a drag.
5k wisps with wispsed map boss node and its zero loot difference its insane
That node is not worth it taking more time to kill the boss, dangerous play node from Maven which adds 2 more boss is a lot better
I took the wisped map boss node last league and didnt notice much loot difference either. I did die a lot more though.
we have a way to process goods to make it worth 5x more on the ships , what i would like is that we can process things into beer/wine / other stuff so that it is worth 5x more like the bars
Dude I feel the gold struggle. This is actually the furthest i've ever progressed in a league and im just starting to do reds, but it's kinda slow. I've had to turn off my farmers for a bit just to try to save up enough gold to even upgrade stuff. It's a disaster.
I run heist and I don't even get enough gold to use the currency exchange :(
The league mechanic will only be saved by passive gold generation. Shipments and Mappers should generate gold. I also think there should be some kind of shop that works just like the disenchanter that converts items to gold.
That would be completely stupid.
Cant have the things that you use to SPEND gold, make you gold..
Just make things drop more gold, can hide it in some obscure places, specific mob packs or whatever.. or they can have some even that lowers the rates a bit
Nope, that defies the purpose of having gold in the first place, where you have to legit play to make gold. Just buff the gold rates with higher tiers.
i was enjoying 3.25 before i reached to endgame bosses
my favorite build boneshatter just feel too bad to play this league
trauma stack lower, mana cost increased, determination nerf, autoexerrion reserve mana or i have to do it myself
they also removed attack speed from rage
maybe im doing something wrong but with my1000dps axe i have to do the dancing machine 3times at the last phaze to kill maven
but i know that a skill cant be great at every league. so i choosed swap my jug to berserker warcry slam build
and i have to say its 10x more annoying to warcry than placing totems
The gold anxiety is oppressive. I like the concept and the rewards but sustaining your city feels like a second job.
Just stop all work before you log off, you making it oppressive for yourself
I feel ya. I just stayed on for half an hour after I was ready to go to sleep just so that I could make sure my town had enough gold to run till I get on tomorrow 😂 But at least the mechanic makes me want to play more, instead of not being fun enough to provide that desire.
YES
@@banzaiplop4265 It's 100% a mentality shift you need to make if you feel this is oppressive. Just don't have your mappers queue maps when you go to bed and you'll have plenty of gold, they're by far the biggest offender of gold sink
@@Doonmerthen you are losing loot
end game is so trash this league
I wanted to play blight, but you hardly get any gold from it at all. It's like I'm forced to choose between the league mechanic or blight it's not possible to do both.
That's actually kinda weird that you say this, as I bounced around tons of mechanics and feel like Blight is one of the very few that rewards enough gold to feel fair.
@@ChrisWhiton Blight in maps or blighted maps?
@@Uelibertiga both have felt fine, especially blight ravaged
Stacked t16 blighted map gives around 1500 gold... if you spammed them solid you can't even run your town on a basic level. Removal of extractors makes in atlas maps blight feel awful.
Same. But every time a blight spawns both me and my friends games just freeze and close without any error messages and when we get back the blight is obviously dead because they reached the pump. Not really sure what is happening with the game but so many things seem to need fixing sadly...
My complaint? Corpse explode...thats it
5K to 10k gold per map is not enough, i am struggling getting gold, rerolls are super expensive. my town is just dead
5 to 10k? i was making 20k gold minimum from t16s with even low investment strategies, some of which are decent but not the most optimal mechanics (harbs, ambush)
i agree gold can go a bit higher in output but you should not be struggling that hard
5 to 10k is totally normal for alch and go. Some mechanics don't add much gold also
Did you get the last mining upgrade? It adds almost 1k per map and even 2 if you get 2 ore spawns. Also the gold you're getting Is very low for red maps, unless you're still in yellow or white maps. It definitely gets better when you go up in tiers. Another thing you can do is constantly send low value boats for short distances to bait the pirate boss, he gives 35-50k gold everytime.
@@trad5479 sry but this is bullshit, i record gold gained per map, im doing only t16, atlas set for exarch, legion and expedition, top nodes for conquerors and guardians + box and shrines bonuses. With couple scarabs to add additional legion, some addional packs - 18-19k gold is absolutely max that i saw literally 3 times, usual amount is around 10-12k with some dips to 8k even few times into 6k if spawn were very bad, this also match what my discord is recording so either you are doing something that everyone else is missing or you dont bother to actually check how much gold you are getting from every map, ofc you can try to juice maps even more ie 100% delirium but builds that can do these comfortably is limited, in comparison t17 is just beyond above what t16 can do
As a filthy casual I'm happy with the league so far.
I'm not going to max out number of workers, but move them around to what I need. It's working out pretty well. Maxing your town means you need to max out your gold.
I think the League is probably the best, because it's so different and it's a blanket addition to the game instead of just adding a new mechanic.
Idle workers don't charge you so if they aren't doing anything they don't charge, no need to move workers around
Once you max out your town youre just playing standard tho.. there is legitimately nothing interesting about the base game this patch since every interesting non-T17 strat was deleted..
Kingsmarch is/was great while it lasted.. but the base game is in an absolutely abysmal state.
@@jakemartin5553 That's a bit of a doomer view with the game.
@@enqubas I'd just ignore guys like that. There's no changing their minds about the state of the game.
@@jakemartin5553 Base game is literally the best its been in ages. Thank fuck theres no insane loot multipliers like necro or affliction. Melee isn't shit anymore.
The gold grind and upkeep isnt that fun anymore for me. Still enjoying it overall tho
I think the same problem that exists with the wildwood exists on a smaller scale but way, WAY more commonly with resistance monsters (fire & ignite, lightning & shock, etc.). They're far tankier than everything else in a map including the boss and give no extra reward. Fighting them is a complete waste of time and sometimes those mods spawn on like an essence that you need, and essence monsters are already tanky enough when they get 3 - 4 essences. These resistance mods need to be nerfed or removed or at the very least not be able to double up i.e. physical resistant & crit resistant or fire & ignite and spell resistant.
Do the mappers also bring back gold? That might be a good idea, if the mappers cost a lot have them offset thier cost by also bringing in gold.
Sanctum doesn't need to give gold, its already massively rewarding and feels like one of the only ways to make real currency. Other side content could use a buff.
It’s like they shadow nerfed everything but sanctum, it’s crazy the difference in loot between it everything else.
@@Nyver253 They didn't shadow nerf anything. They literally nerf quant on bunch of different monsters and stated as such in the notes. Sanctum doesn't get touched by that. Sanctum also has always been immensely OP for currency farming. Far better than any other league that involved static rewards.
@@mp7311 sanctum has been OP ever since they added it back.
@@zulazhar1259 Exactly what I said. "Sanctum also has always been immensely OP for currency farming"
@@Nyver253 Nothing has been nerfed, in fact league monsters were buffed to have loot like ultimatum. You're just feeling the effects of not having absolutely broken ass busted shit leagues like affliction multiplying the loot to absurd levels. Thank fuck its gone.
I agree with everything you said. buff recombobs and please give us more gold
"we've made defensive layers easier to get" -> Does the opposite. Whats the point of buffing things if you just nerf everything by more in the same category
you must be new to POE, this is how GGG balances the game. They are so fucking good at selling a nerf as a buff
The determination and grace nerf was really stupid.
Defenses are already turbo scuffed, hate that they keep nerfing defenses
@@TheCosmicAstro-the nerfs to Determination and Grace is because almost EVERY HC build ran Grace, Determination and Defiance Banner because their buffs were so strong on their own. Clearly they weren't in a good place balance wise
@@TheFreepie That isnt an argument lol.
They were basically required to have solid defenses, this is being proven with the global issues people are having with defenses.
Even IF for a moment i pretended that you were correct(youre not). And we say these buffs were too strong by themselves.
The new base types are not a reliable source to make up for it, alongside we were given NOTHING to replace the defenses that were lost. Alongside we lost a ton of physical taken as elemental conversion.
The point is if they want to nerf a defensive layer ok sure whatever, but you MUST give a realistic alternative at the same time. Simply deleting defenses feels like shit and this has been proven many times over for years.
@@TheCosmicAstro- we were given more health, quality is now more instead of increased armor, and I don't have to give up 95% of my mana anymore.
I love these changes.
Lists every mechanic as problematic for some reason, "second best league ever" Talk about mixed signals.
Sustaining gold for my city stresses me out.
I don’t know about other bases but u need a triple tier 1 necrotic armor to even out the base evasion loss from grace - it’s way to much
I want to know if ggg intended for us to run every part of the town at once, or if they thought we would choose 2-3 town nodes to fund. It would explain the amount of gold we receive.
Not sure I agree with side content not dropping gold. It makes it hard to justify doing something outside of normal mapping.
I am enjoying myself just think we need some small tweaks.
see thats the thing. all the town/league mechanic are interconnected to only do select few of it.
but i'm with you on the side mechanics. i'm not a juicer, my current build can also do only t16 easily, t17 barely, and not having problems with gold
hopefully gold buff is incoming for non-juicers/the rest of 99%/non-streamers
@@bakedmomo5693 Mapping is completely dosconnected from anything else, farming has nothing to do with ore, disenchanting is only required for recombination and it's use for shipping is extremely low in terms of cost. Shipping can be done using only ore or only crops zero problems. It is simply not true that they interconnected too much.
Don't know if it's intended but it's the only way most of us can interact with the mechanic. Basically just run farmers+boats.
Gold is fine!
Maybe, just maybe, if you a casual player, you shouldnt have kingsmarch fully upgraded by the end of week 1, maybe you shouldnt BE able to have your mappers running 24/7...
Ppl are acting as if they are missing out on loot if they cant do everything all at once, but they shouldnt be able to unless they cant dedicate 15 hours a day for it...
I have the feeling that outside of T17 you have no chance to get any currency or valuable items dropped
I have made over 100div without Entering a T17, and no I am not no lifing. 64h since league start, around 400k kills.
@@bulwix3181 how? Sc or hc?
@@bulwix3181 what start do u use
@@bulwix3181give me a few tips my man, please.
Just 10x gold, this is getting less fun to deal with by the day. Also GGG need to confirm that gold isnt deleting good drops for my mental state lol.
cant even sustain chisel at t16 with 4 scarabs...
Then you're doing something wrong with your tree somewhere. I only have 2 watchstones and have been sitting permanently at T16s and only just started chiseling in the last couple days.
@@eckology016 I think he meant, he is chisel broke. He has zero chisels.
@@Gordond2009 this. Ive got more divs than chisels.
@@zarteck7793 how? are you talking about the new chisels or the basic one? cause the basic one can be easily sustained unless your kirac bugged out and just won't sell you any. I'm assuming you have more than 20 divines cause Kirac sells them for 8c : 20 chisels
In past leagues however, I would never have to buy chisels from Kirac. I would have hundreds just from what I loot in maps. This league, they're barely dropping at all. It's a stark change.
brother, this is a video game. I truly haven't experienced any of the things you're saying that is an issue, expect the side content not giving enough gold. These are only problems for the hyper minority elites that play this game as a job.
Definitely the drop in scaling loot at the high has massively affected alch-and-go even at T16. It's clear that it wasn't just a tail effect they chopped off but a median shift lower for all things that matter.
yeah, i dunno what the loot formula is exactly but it feels like they lowered the base drops to account for inflated multipliers instead of addressing the multipliers individually. Which just shifts the wealth even further into the giga farmers.
Where loot?
loot is worse then ever they fucked up big time on that part.... everything else is close to a 10
Glad they finally fixed loot so we can grind again
Saying this league is top 2 is cope. This league was somehow worse than necropolis which was the worst received league to date. No one likes clash of clans league and every other content creator has been vocal with how bad this league is. I hope no one at GGG takes this video into consideration
I've been trying to enjoy this league but as someone who doesn't just play PoE all day the gold poverty is just a massive chore that makes me not enjoy the league nearly as much as I had hoped
for the record, I do enjoy the league, it's just really hard to constantly have to worry about having enough gold to do literally anything but continue farming it.
@@BiredorilI mean, it’s all side shit that you don’t really need right? It helps, but it doesn’t seem mandatory
@@chiefinasmiththat’s the whole point of playing a league though is the new league mechanic, if you totally ignore the new stuff why not just play standard
Delve is pretty shit for gold too since only nodes and rare outside nodes gives gold
Not me getting 1 tapped with 20 Fortify, Spell Suppression Cap, Slayer Leech, 4k life, 10k Evasion and Armour, 12% Dodge, Flesh and Stone, and 8 Endurance charges. :-()
all joke aside but 10k armour would be so low in this setup tho - 40k both would be giga chad and... still dying to white expedition mob.
I will say that your life and armour seem a bit low, but yeah the other layers should be more than making up for it
I'm at 17 Fortify, 50k armour, 88/75 all res, capped spell supp, 4 end charges, 68/65 block with 450 life gain on block, and the only thing that can kill me in map is all-remnants Archaelogy expedition rares :p (Later waves of Ultimatum come close sometimes).
Do you really think those stats are anything close to being tanky lol?
10k xd
The new base types are great, and make reduced prerequisites an actual stat. I kind of like it
To be honest, if you have gold anxiety and have to feel like you have to farm gold so that you can sustain your settlement while you sleep, thats a you problem not a grinding gear problem. The game isnt created for the 1% of the 1% that make this game their living. Most people don't have to have a virtual settlement operate while they sleep otherwise they experience physical symptoms. Plenty of other things worthwhile to do tbh.
path of t17, just delete them ggg
Was too good to be true, GGG always finding a way to ruining shit.
How about gold rewards when completing quests, once you've defeated kitava.
Big agree. Recomb was the single most exciting thing I was looking forward to and they are depressing right now.
Also, I feel like I have to spend an hour before bed and before work, making sure I have enough gold to cover those time spans are stressful.
wait but I'm pretty sure you can move drop only mods to other bases
Im already done with league, maxed out town...and its just not for me. I tried to make myself like it, but its not doing it for me. I do agree it was a very smooth start, and I can appreciate what they are doing. I may return mid league, but there are other things to play i enjoy more.
And thats ok, I still love the game, I play every league, and look forward to what is next.
Juicing is in a weird place because of T17 maps, everything is priced around t17 maps so most strategies are hardly worth it on T16 maps due to the insane scarab costs. I honestly don't even bother with mappers in town, complete waste of money for a casual player, it's unreasonable to farm that much gold when you have a fulltime job, just boats, farms and ores is more than enough and i can keep the cost to around 10k an hour while barely losing anything because i simply can't play that often
Imagine playing a game where u have to be so focused on building defences that it sucks the fun out of building offense
This. I thought the defense nerfs were completely unnecessary as it was already hard enough and pidgeon-holed enough before with defenses. Now it's just endurance charges to the max or fuck your paper thin build.
That's just not the case for PoE.
That's completely wrong. In POE a good offence is required and is the best defensive layer. Zizaran plays HC, HC plays by different rules and does not reflect the gameplay intended by the developers.
@@MyNameIsSalo They said "it sucks the fun out of building offense" which I completely agree with and that does not mean it isn't required...Your billion dps build is gonna feel like hot garbage if a basic mob sneezes on you and kills you and you take 4-5 portals to run every single map you do. It's not fun or engaging gameplay.
I have to unsub your yt live is just spamming my sub page so annoying
yeah, town becomes pretty unsustainable endgame unless you are focus giga mapping and ignoring every other mechanic, worker salaries are like... completely random and not only getting high tier workers is hard, but rolling them for cost is not easy...
they could really revamp (or even make another whole league) to improve this, I could totally see them adding something similar to Heist where you can get drop-able and craft-able items to customize it (workers or even buildings in this case), something with mods like:
- reduced gold consumption
- extra resources processed
- extra gold per resource processed
- shipments grant +% extra currency
- shipments get -% risk
- shipments get +% total value
- a bunch of negative outcomes
maybe it's two kind of items, one for the buildings (works to improve the general things of all workers like wages) and another for "work tools", they improve things for a particular job.
or maybe not items but the workers themselves are craft-able items with rarities and all...
also, add ways to get resources and gold from playing other league mechanics, like:
- delve is literally the perfect target for ore farming adding ore nodes to the map
- heists for large sums of gold
- blight chest rewards containing gold/resources
- harvest granting food resources
and I would let recombinators to the experts, I have ideas but I wouldn't know how to balance it. I think what we want is having at least a bit of control on the process, like having to pay for up to 100 "juice-of-something" that you can use to spread among the modifiers of the items to make them more/less likely to appear in the final item, maybe use the tables of weights for prefixes/suffixes rolls for chances...
or maybe the chances split on whatever mods you select, for example, lets say I select a single mod, then it's guaranteed to be on the final item... then let's say I want 2 mods, one from each item, well, that's going to make a 50-50 for both mods to be on the result (obviously the roll is chanced per mod with a 50% chance of happening in this case) and let's say I have two 6-mod items and I want 3-mods from each, well that's going to be 1/6 for every mod which is pretty unrealistic but you would want anything from 2-4 to be safe... this would also be extremely user friendly and pretty useful for campaign/early game...
overall, I feel like the league economy is "balanced" so less experienced players are not left behind by giving them "free" currency and items on something they don't have to min-max and it's pretty straightforward
nice ideas
All they really had to do with recombinators is kill the multiple fractures onto one item. That was the only major offender imo. What’s wrong with having two Essence mods on an item? That was not super cheap to do unless u got really lucky. What they did is so anti-fun that it’s totally insane to me. As a dev if the mechanic was so broken that u had to do this many nerfs then don’t bring it back. Make a new mechanic. It’s lazy game creation while also just being stupid.
If you have 100k dust to spend on a gambling craft that doesn't exist yet, stop paying to have it made. Surplus isn't always a smart move. The settlers won't be angry on the bench, but one could argue that this isn't a skill they want to be good at in a game. I also bench miners and smiths when I am offline since the time away is longer than the work they have to do. If you have a lot of ore to mine or refine, consider a rank 1 as that may be the correct option for the ore left and time away. Math seems pretty common practice in this game already. Or just remove the skill requirement and have free stuff come to your mailbox. Why have a town if you remove the skill in its mini-game?
I had great success building my starting mapping gear in recom. What worked best for me was a 3-prefix and 1-suffix item combined with a 1-prefix and 3-suffix item. I add a crafting table modifier I would be okay with getting, and there is still a gamble. I have not tried to do the fancy stuff that would reward only players with advanced knowledge in the first place, giving them an edge over most of the player base. I suppose they can watch a video to learn how to do it. Complicating the game to where you have to watch a TH-cam video to learn how to do it sounds like creating a problem with the solution being sold to me, but the game is already that way. Currency is your time and watching ads, but I guess that isn't considered the same if the company sold you the solution for money. Luckily for me, I have time and I like watching TH-cam videos that teach me stuff.
the gold cost is indeed an issue, i dont want to grind for it before going to bed but i know this is what ggg wants, i dont do it and then i come back in the morning and feel like ive lost my time so it gets annoying more then fun.
I mean, then don't put gold in your town treasury? You just want the town to be running and not pay for it
Then don't you don't need to have ships going 24/7 This is a fomo issue not a league issue.
@@Deminese2 i know, im stating that the league is creating fomo issues wich is very bad in the long term, its all about the direction the game is going that needs to change
I honestly hate Amber mining the most, watching very tanky mobs run straight past me and to the tree every time does not feel good. I prefer any of the others honestly, even Verisium because at least its my fault I failed for getting too greedy.
Iam againt a recomb slider, you are then expected to do full on anyway. Just loose the +tier an bring it closer to the old system
When not playing in trade , the pressure to use all 500 scarabs and farm t17s is off. Game seems much more fun.
I totally wish I had more time to play the game because I 100% play SSF. The fomo in trade and being forced to play builds that can do t17s sucks and the scarab situation in general is terrible.
i agree, playing SSF removes a lot of potential "stress", i do stuff at my own pace at my own will :p
@@Deceit-hx7ey I usually go back once I’m done with trade and do some SSF practice runs but if the game doesn’t massively improve soon I’m either going to completely stop playing or make the swap to SSF all the time. T17s are awful and the scarab system is even worse.
Forget defences, I'm sure they've buffed the shit out of mage type enemies....
A mob of blue arsonists or skeleton mages hitting me together can one shot me in tier 11 maps with no rippy mods and 4k life, 26 fortify, 5 endurance charges, arctic armour at 30%, sand stance flesh and stone, 82% fire res and my friend having the champion 20% reduced ally damage taunt node. In the same breath, I can get whaled on by juiced Maraketh legion rares in a t16 with hairy mods and afk for a smoke with no danger.
I'm convinced they messed something up when rebalancing the T17 maps that affected all the others because a white T6 skeleton casting a fireball shouldn't be hitting harder than Xoph.
I don't think GGG meant the league mec to be a constant AFK farm. If you get to max town lvl then you will need a lot more resources, but rewards will also increase. If they make it easier to get rewards, there will be a massive inflation. I think the mechanic is balanced. If you want massive amount of AFK loot, you will have to grind also a massive amount.
That's still a problem. It creates a source of FOMO which ruins enjoyment of the game, and prevents players from wanting to engage with a lot of content
Yeah mechanic is well balanced, it gives 0 reward therefore you dont care about actually doing it so you dont care about gold that much
They need to fix lower value currency exchange. 25k gold to exchange some alt orbs is silly.
Where is the loot in maps? Ziz TLDR: "Everything sucks this league, but Im a masochist, so IFL it!"
He said he loves the league, though.
@@PowerfulSkeleton If you read the last 3 words, that is what I said. The majority of the video was talking about bad things, but he opened and closed with how he loves all the 'bad' stuff.
just cut out wildwood alr, it was a horrible season no reason putting it back in again
Still the stale T17 meta
Really enjoying the league but ya gold needs buffed or cost nerfed. What is funny is I’m not having tank issues but that’s could be because of my 80k life regen build
im just not understanding how people are broke, i do my own atlas trees and inefficiently experiment constantly and im honestly turbo dogshit at this game
im currently sitting on 40 raw div and another 100div according to wealthyexile, with the bulk of that in currency and scarabs, with half my playtime spent goofing off in my hideout or playing 4fun and not with efficiency in mind
i feel like you have to TRY to not make currency in this game, random general drops are definitely weak as opposed to before now, yes, yet i was still making profit from beyond, harbies, ambush, legion, ive done a shit ton of strats, and they all feel like they work well, obviously some way better than others, but general opinions of loot nerfs feels very exaggerated, it shouldn't be making you broke unless you were like new at the game, but at that point worrying about any of this stuff is completely pointless and self-defeating
and regardless even if everyone was broke, that just makes it relative... realistically the very very top around like 1% of players are capped much much harder than anyone else, it just shouldn't be the case for the majority of people that play this game, makes me wonder if ppl are just echoing the opinions of their favourite streamer or reading too much reddit rather than actually playing the game for fun
Let's think about this long term with Settlers going core. Where I have to plainly say that Kingsmarch is a very invasive town. May not feel like that right now, but what you are playing this League is what you will be playing in every League going forward. On top of the new content. Because the Kalguurans are very resource demanding. Without Ores and, most importantly, without Gold, you can't do anything there. Even if we have a finished town that we gain access to as we enter Maps, it still needs Gold in every piece of content going forward. At much higher rates than now. Especially in side content. Because you shouldn't be expected to grind for hours before doing other things. Including sleep. The solution can't be "make everyone stop working." That needs so much more active upkeep and likely creates an ever growing backlog. And we don't feel good about those in this game. Being able to opt into content is great. But Kingsmarch is opt out and that changes things greatly. So at least make the general upkeep as passive as one can.
boat league mid tbh, t17 are miserable
Just delet t17
Tbh.. once you max out Kingsmarch.. youre just playing standard on a patch where the entire base game was nerfed to just be slightly worse in every possible way... except melee got a numbers boost alongside a massive sweeping nerf to attack speed across the board.
Need to fix possessed mob.
i kinda love the patch, except things like glassbauble and chisel shortage......and of course unrewarding content despite full investment into it (ritual.....). But yeah it's cool have more different skills to play, thats for sure. Happy totems are gone, they were just PoB traps to inflate numbers.
But the league, I truly don't see why people love it is so much, I just don't get it, to me its just bad at every level.
Its the first league (I started playing at launch) I left after less than a week.
I kinda dislike that they made Necro league mech based on a good idea but with tedious terrible implementation. Here the implementation is good, but the mobile game idea is bad to the core.
I wish good league to all, see you next league.
We don't get loot or gold in maps, saaad
the gold thing is really extra bad as somebody who doesnt play too much and likes to roll new chars fast
I really hate having to go back to town and do the shipments… such a chore . Oh and you need to keep playing to upkeep your town. Overhyped league n baited as always
Just fire your mappers and run them yourself
Im in alch-and-go red maps atm and, it being summertime, I cant really play more than 3-4hours a day. The gold situatuon atm has forced me to empty the Kingsmarch coffers and just grind gold untill I can get all the town upgrades, because hourly gold sink on low level kingsmarch workers amounts to nothing in the end, maybe a bit of bubblegum currency from ships. Having to play this way, to me it means its badly designed i.e. the gold should be dropping a lot more.
I still think the the current version of the recombinator is fufilling what is supose too and don't think it needs a buff, though i think the gold cost on top is too much. I would like to see them keep the recombinator as it is but at a much lower gold cost or no gold cost for use. I think it still makes dropped items with rare modifiers on bad bases usefull which i believe is its most important function.
My loot was so bad I ended up switching to a meta build that costs much less to scale early. And aside from a few early shipments to get a leveling unique, it seems best just to turn off most of the town to focus on leveling mines and recruiting to max, farms and smelting enough to be able to generate resources for upgrades, and shipping enough to have access to all ports and 6 crew. Otherwise, you can easily end up with a cash flow problem and unable to send shipments that can actually earn good currency.
The only thing i want is an automatic pickup of gold every time I drop some, like when you kill expedition mobs you insta get the currency for expedition
Had a blast but am finding it really hard to actually get into poe as a newer player. So much bloat and studying that I would basically have to do just to catch up it feels like. I'm basically just waiting for poe2 in hopes that there will be some sort of reset.
Yep we need gold miners
I just started playing this league and I gotta say, this game has a huge problem where the elite 10+ year veterans have a complete monopoly on game balance. Noobs like me don't get to even interact with all the cool stuff before it is Thanos snapped
This... sums up pretty much everything I've been feeling but unable to put into words. This was the first league I actually managed to make it past yellow maps (burnout usually gets to me), but I still petered out before ultimately hitting T16's, though I'm not too far off. All of the things you've said in this video, coupled with trying to wrap my head around the various systems, the changes that have occurred since the last time I played (crucible), made it ultimately exhausting.
I don’t understand why there isn’t more people upset. The balance in this patch is laughably bad. Gold isn’t just a small problem, it is crippling because ground drops are so totally dead. So you end up a slave to grinding it in order to progress any build. And with defenses being so hammered down, the gold grind becomes truly frustrating as so many stupid things can suddenly one shot you that used to be no problem.
I get it that some people are enjoying themselves, but for me I just don’t understand why they nerfed the fun right out of the game this patch. It could be saved, although the mobile game mechanics are going to be terrible no matter what. But with most streamers largely giving GGG a free pass again I doubt it will.