It acts more like an oil temp. regulator than a cooler. I agree 100%, this type of oil cooler is best for spirited daily driving. Especialy in cold climates where a super duper high performance oil to air cooler would popscicle your oil (on highways). Canadian Daily driven Brz here (the torque dip is very polite) I'd take this one over the pleasure of disconnecting a high performance one every god damn winter. Hey Mr. Justin, may be a bit bold there, but have you considered some nice hood louvers? Cheap.+ Quick install. (Elbow nudge, content Idea) They work great. Really Good for our allergic to heat passenger side coilspacks too. Great vid. Keep em coming.
Yep, I agree on it being an oil temp regulator or heat exchanger, like someone else said. It does indeed help get the oil up to temp quicker in colder weather, the benefit over an air cooled cooler. I have thought of hood louvers/vents, but I cannot use them at the moment due to my racing class rules. Maybe next year!
Glad you found this site that sells these oil coolers. Looking to get one for daily driving and doing some open road challenges next year in the summer. Great price and install doesn’t look too horrible
Great vid, thank you. Am trying to decide between this cooler and a mishimoto cooler. I know the mishimoto is probably better for overall cooling but I’m only daily driving my 86. At least I know know how to install this one! Thanks
I have the same cooler for my FRS and it is needed 100%! Spirited driving in TX summer got oil close to 230 just doing few pulls on without the cooler.
You're totally wrong. 230 is an acceptable oil temperature. In fact if you're under 240, nothing negative is going to happen to your oils ability to lubricate your parts. Most synthetic oils don't start thermal break down until 265. This "oil cooler" is not an oil cooler at all, there will not be a meaningful difference with regards to your oil temperature.
@@williamfoster4268 well bud that was on a 70 degree night in Texas. I can't imagine what it would've been on a long drive in the 95-100 degree day. I never said oil would deteriorate at that temp. Simply its great to keep the cars oil temp in check, thats why it is a great product for daily drivers
@@jbrockskill It's not going to go above 235 on a 98 degree day while traveling 80mph in 6th gear. It's a useless product for daily drivers. Explain to me how 230 degree synthetic oil is bad for a car.
@@williamfoster4268 why would i explain if i never said it would. And again driving would allow it to be stable around 225-230 but then you drive like a maniac for a few gear pulls and the oil would climb fast and stay up. Im just promoting the cooler if you want it to warm the oil quicker from start and to prevent it from ever reaching dangerous temps. Stop arguing for something I never brought up. 230 is a fine temp, I am just saying its nice to prevent it from ever reaching dangerous temp especially if someone runs the 'water' 0w20 in it
@@williamfoster4268 It's most definitely not "useless". While 230-240 degrees isn't dangerous, the oil as well as the engine's seals will last longer at a lower temperature. Also, since most wear happens while the oil is cold and the engine doesn't run efficiently at less than normal operating temperature, getting the oil warmed up quickly will benefit the engine's overall longevity and efficiency. For a daily driver, I'd argue that heating the oil up quickly is often more important than keeping it cool.
Good install, I know its an older video now but figured I would offer my 2 cents. The TB method is perfectly fine. I would not go through all the nonsense of removing block plugs and adding T connectors. But while adding this cooler I would bypass the throttle body all together. Plug off the ports on the TB with rubber vacuum nipples, then use barb fittings to just connect all the coolant lines together. Those lines are there for some silly emissions requirement. Removing them actually reduced the intake air charge temps and can add a couple HP...!! As we all know every couple HP on these things counts.!!
@williamandreaus2603 oof, their entire website is now down it looks like 😟 Youd have to source the parts individually, they are all off common Subaru models, but it might be a pain.
It's interesting you went with the throttle body method. Many I've read on the Forums suggest doing it differently, utilizing the Forest coolant pipe with the provisions for the hoses. And then tapping in on the bottom of the block by removing a bolt. It's supposed to provide more flow. But others say the TB route is just fine. I'm curious to see if you do any sort of data logging on oil temps. I'm sure it will get up to temp quicker, but more curious how well it regulates it (though I'm aware a proper cooler is far better).
Throttle body method is per their install instructions. I didn't know about the alternative, wonder if it would work better that way, hmm. I did log temps at the track before and after oil cooler. I'll be posting a video soon with that info, but basically during hard lapping this style cooler did not help.
@@TheBTRGarage I used to have the NED oil cooler via throttle body. But then switched to the other OEM forester XT version. Same concept, but a little more involved. I did like that it looked factory. But recently took it off and sold it. I plan to get the Jackson Racing dual radiator oil cooler kit. Looking forward to see what you do with the car!
@@nicolasfleurent4545 I honestly did not notice too much of a difference. Neither provided 'that' much cooling once up to temp. I looked at it more as a reason to get the car up to temp versus outright cooling. Hopefully Justin will do some autoX or tracking days and give better feedback.
hi. im planning an install like this. i do more spirited driving than track. just want to ask for the orientation of the connection under the throttle body which hose goes to where on the oil heat-exchanger?
For AutoX, I assume you're in STX class. Will this be allowed in SCCA 2019 rules? I want to get a Perrin (or equivalent) oil cooler since I do track events as well as AutoX. Thoughts?
+BTR Justin just curious why you decided to install this if you were going to do some track days anyway. With a better oil cooler, I think you would be set and would be more worth your time. Thanks, Justin! Edit: Looks like there was some `cart/horse` information where you didn't know at the time of filming but you did after you wrote the meta and did the edits. My bad. Let us know where you go from here! I am really interested to know about a solution for those of us who do push our cars harder!
Right, the testing came after. I wanted to add the notes in this video so somebody didn't go and buy this, thinking it would be a sufficient oil cooler for the track.
The cooling system will have a little more heat to dissipate, but the difference won't be significant and the radiator almost always has way more than enough cooling capacity anyways. Under heavy loads, this oil cooler will cool the oil significantly more than it will heat the coolant. Putting an aftermarket oil cooler behind the bumper is likely just as bad for the radiator's performance if not worse since it blocks and preheats the airflow to the radiator.
Heat reflective wrap isn't going to make a difference. Wrapping your air intake in that gold tape isn't going to make a difference either, you just wasted $30 dollars and your time doing it.
It acts more like an oil temp. regulator than a cooler. I agree 100%, this type of oil cooler is best for spirited daily driving. Especialy in cold climates where a super duper high performance oil to air cooler would popscicle your oil (on highways). Canadian Daily driven Brz here (the torque dip is very polite) I'd take this one over the pleasure of disconnecting a high performance one every god damn winter.
Hey Mr. Justin, may be a bit bold there, but have you considered some nice hood louvers? Cheap.+ Quick install. (Elbow nudge, content Idea) They work great. Really Good for our allergic to heat passenger side coilspacks too. Great vid. Keep em coming.
Yep, I agree on it being an oil temp regulator or heat exchanger, like someone else said. It does indeed help get the oil up to temp quicker in colder weather, the benefit over an air cooled cooler.
I have thought of hood louvers/vents, but I cannot use them at the moment due to my racing class rules. Maybe next year!
Glad you found this site that sells these oil coolers. Looking to get one for daily driving and doing some open road challenges next year in the summer. Great price and install doesn’t look too horrible
Great vid, thank you. Am trying to decide between this cooler and a mishimoto cooler. I know the mishimoto is probably better for overall cooling but I’m only daily driving my 86. At least I know know how to install this one! Thanks
I have the same cooler for my FRS and it is needed 100%! Spirited driving in TX summer got oil close to 230 just doing few pulls on without the cooler.
You're totally wrong. 230 is an acceptable oil temperature. In fact if you're under 240, nothing negative is going to happen to your oils ability to lubricate your parts. Most synthetic oils don't start thermal break down until 265. This "oil cooler" is not an oil cooler at all, there will not be a meaningful difference with regards to your oil temperature.
@@williamfoster4268 well bud that was on a 70 degree night in Texas. I can't imagine what it would've been on a long drive in the 95-100 degree day. I never said oil would deteriorate at that temp. Simply its great to keep the cars oil temp in check, thats why it is a great product for daily drivers
@@jbrockskill It's not going to go above 235 on a 98 degree day while traveling 80mph in 6th gear. It's a useless product for daily drivers. Explain to me how 230 degree synthetic oil is bad for a car.
@@williamfoster4268 why would i explain if i never said it would. And again driving would allow it to be stable around 225-230 but then you drive like a maniac for a few gear pulls and the oil would climb fast and stay up. Im just promoting the cooler if you want it to warm the oil quicker from start and to prevent it from ever reaching dangerous temps. Stop arguing for something I never brought up. 230 is a fine temp, I am just saying its nice to prevent it from ever reaching dangerous temp especially if someone runs the 'water' 0w20 in it
@@williamfoster4268 It's most definitely not "useless". While 230-240 degrees isn't dangerous, the oil as well as the engine's seals will last longer at a lower temperature. Also, since most wear happens while the oil is cold and the engine doesn't run efficiently at less than normal operating temperature, getting the oil warmed up quickly will benefit the engine's overall longevity and efficiency. For a daily driver, I'd argue that heating the oil up quickly is often more important than keeping it cool.
I love this video. Especially relevant given the design of the Gen 2.
Good install, I know its an older video now but figured I would offer my 2 cents. The TB method is perfectly fine. I would not go through all the nonsense of removing block plugs and adding T connectors. But while adding this cooler I would bypass the throttle body all together. Plug off the ports on the TB with rubber vacuum nipples, then use barb fittings to just connect all the coolant lines together. Those lines are there for some silly emissions requirement. Removing them actually reduced the intake air charge temps and can add a couple HP...!! As we all know every couple HP on these things counts.!!
I always use your videos to pick which parts to install on my BRZ. Always quality stuff. Thanks for the upload, keep up the good stuff!
Thanks for the feedback and thanks for watching!
Yay, always cool to see Justin!
Please cover the throttle while you have it exposed. Good video 👍.
Anyone know what size those coolant lines are that go from throttle body to the cooler?
I have installed this oil cooler before. But the water hose get hot when running.Its not very good for the wire nearby.
Trying to find this kit and it’s looking like the link doesn’t work anymore? Anything will help.
@williamandreaus2603 oof, their entire website is now down it looks like 😟 Youd have to source the parts individually, they are all off common Subaru models, but it might be a pain.
It's interesting you went with the throttle body method. Many I've read on the Forums suggest doing it differently, utilizing the Forest coolant pipe with the provisions for the hoses. And then tapping in on the bottom of the block by removing a bolt. It's supposed to provide more flow. But others say the TB route is just fine. I'm curious to see if you do any sort of data logging on oil temps. I'm sure it will get up to temp quicker, but more curious how well it regulates it (though I'm aware a proper cooler is far better).
Throttle body method is per their install instructions. I didn't know about the alternative, wonder if it would work better that way, hmm. I did log temps at the track before and after oil cooler. I'll be posting a video soon with that info, but basically during hard lapping this style cooler did not help.
@@TheBTRGarage I used to have the NED oil cooler via throttle body. But then switched to the other OEM forester XT version. Same concept, but a little more involved. I did like that it looked factory. But recently took it off and sold it. I plan to get the Jackson Racing dual radiator oil cooler kit. Looking forward to see what you do with the car!
@@michaelw2263 Did you notice if the forester install had better cooling than the throttle body?
@@nicolasfleurent4545 I honestly did not notice too much of a difference. Neither provided 'that' much cooling once up to temp. I looked at it more as a reason to get the car up to temp versus outright cooling. Hopefully Justin will do some autoX or tracking days and give better feedback.
I'm confused, why would you not run the coolant back to the throttle body and then the block? It looks like you deleted the TB passage
Have you ever tested whether it's really worth it to purchase a Dooxi Car Adaptation products?
Hi Justin, is there any difference in connecting the longer or shorter hose to the upper pipe instead of the lower pipe on the engine side?
It doesn't matter which hose is used where, just whichever one fits the best or is the best length for the run.
wonder if this mod will also work on a 2016 wrx?
Thanks Justin, bought today the oil cooler ; could you tell me how do you make the air out of the cooling line? many thanks
I followed the Grimmspeed process located here, it is pretty straight forward: www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9883
@@TheBTRGarage perfect!
hi. im planning an install like this. i do more spirited driving than track. just want to ask for the orientation of the connection under the throttle body which hose goes to where on the oil heat-exchanger?
For AutoX, I assume you're in STX class. Will this be allowed in SCCA 2019 rules? I want to get a Perrin (or equivalent) oil cooler since I do track events as well as AutoX. Thoughts?
Yep, STX classed. Oil coolers/heat exchangers like this one, or the Perrin style are allowed per the rules (see section 14.10, A in rule book).
Hey , Ik it’s an old video, but did you have to flush the coolant? Or is that not necessary?
Not necessary.
@@TheBTRGarage thank you, I really appreciate it 🤙
I need something like this, I realized how my performance was reduced last time I raced.
Keep in mind this is not very effective for hard track driving. You would want an air cooled oil cooler (like Perrin, Greddy, etc).
BTR Justin ok thanks for letting me know
Could this be used on am fb25??
Not sure, sorry.
+BTR Justin just curious why you decided to install this if you were going to do some track days anyway.
With a better oil cooler, I think you would be set and would be more worth your time.
Thanks, Justin!
Edit: Looks like there was some `cart/horse` information where you didn't know at the time of filming but you did after you wrote the meta and did the edits. My bad. Let us know where you go from here! I am really interested to know about a solution for those of us who do push our cars harder!
Right, the testing came after. I wanted to add the notes in this video so somebody didn't go and buy this, thinking it would be a sufficient oil cooler for the track.
How mm diameter for that hose / pipe?
Thanks! Great info.
Wonder if the oil cooler affects the oil capacity.... would add more oil needed?
yes
Yes, it does a little bit. I mention it towards the end of the video.
@@TheBTRGarage rewatch it again and found it
Having this oil cooler AND a classic radiator is a good idea or not ?
One or the other. It would be a mess trying to install both styles.
@@TheBTRGarage Thanks, Justin
Have you allready tested the oil cooler? Is it useable for passionated daily driving?
Yes, I have notes in the description and video. Recommended for street/autox/spirited driving but not track driving.
Sounds good. Think this will be my next mod for the brz. Thanks man
Were did u get that intake tube
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So you're trying to cool hot oil with hot coolant? Now the cooling system has to work even harder as you're putting more heat into it.
27Sport it is an OEM Subaru part. The engineers might have thought of that, dont you think?
The cooling system will have a little more heat to dissipate, but the difference won't be significant and the radiator almost always has way more than enough cooling capacity anyways. Under heavy loads, this oil cooler will cool the oil significantly more than it will heat the coolant. Putting an aftermarket oil cooler behind the bumper is likely just as bad for the radiator's performance if not worse since it blocks and preheats the airflow to the radiator.
Will you wrap the lines w/heat reflective wrap or equivalent to keep engine heat off them?
No.
Heat reflective wrap isn't going to make a difference. Wrapping your air intake in that gold tape isn't going to make a difference either, you just wasted $30 dollars and your time doing it.
Do you just run factory coolant?
Yea the Subaru blue coolant.
It's really an oil-water heat exchanger, not an oil cooler.