Pilot here. Casino: probably 2000 or so feet, depending on the height of those buildings. You look higher at night than you really are. Forest: I would guess 5000 to 7000 feet, hard to say. If those trees down there are as tall as redwoods its 7000, otherwise normal trees for maybe 5000. Canyon: 1000 or 2000. Looks higher because the nearby sides gives you parallax. Fleet: Easily over 80000 feet. You need at least an SR71 blackbird to get that amount of curvature on the horizon, and even then thats unlikely. Ask Felix Baumgartner (free fall height record) and he might know better. Source: I am a pilot. I fly cargo too, so you can trust me more than airline guys. We dont have autopilot so we are allowed to look outside more.
Member of the cult of Sonic here. Amy's deal is basically she's the infatuated fangirl, and Sonic isn't really interested mostly because he's not the type of guy that likes being tied down. Nothing really explains why Neo Metal Sonic has liquid powers, he just does. There's some fan conjecture going around that it's somehow related to Chaos from the first Adventure, but nothing is officially explained. I can't explain Tails except that he's a mutant freak. Eggman has often stated his dream is to build "Eggmanland", some kind of theme park paradise of his design. It seemed to start small, as in Adventure he was only going to level Station Square and build on top of it, but by Unleashed he seems to have ambitions to turn the entire world into "Eggmanland". And, no, as far as I'm aware, chaos juice doesn't turn Knuckles into a vampire. One note about Sonic Heroes, the PC version is supposedly based on a pre-release build of the game, which means it features technical issues the other versions don't have, and those aren't technical masterpieces, either. Gamecube and Xbox are probably the best versions to play, and you just want to avoid the ps2 version. Sonic games were notoriously worse on ps2 than any other console. Also, I loved your analysis of that first cutscene. These characters really don't seem to have any sense of danger. And don't worry. We have ways of punishing those that don't belong to the cult for their sacrilege.
you touch our glorious one free man and the cult of ross is gonna be at war with you guys. we'll lose, but we'll make some *damn bold accusations* like...metal sonic being secretly sonics dad. as shown in the hit tv show sonic underground.
@@alexandrehenrique7203 It's a war you do not want to start. We have WMDs of such accursed power they make Cthulhu blush. Titan Tails is only the tip of the iceberg. Also, your "bold accusation" is hilariously not far off the mark for Archie Sonic. His dad got turned into a robot and couldn't be turned back.
To be fair i dont think in all games he wishes to enact a themepark, that wasn't really a thing until colors, which was his alibi to enslave planets. just happens to go by the same name he wants to make his nationstate.
I'd assume Eggman has decided that since he's going to have to defeat the whole damn world to build his park, he might as well take over the whole world.
I just realized: Eggman had to gather the resources and tools to build his robots, as well as program them. He probably had to start with simple stuff to make the process of building more robots go along quicker, effectively multiplying his production for every robot built until he could reliably set up an assembly line. But before that, he had to get even more resources to build those robots, so he had to build robots to get those resources to build more robots to build his robots, on top of programming said resource gatherers who had to get metals, plastics, parts, oils, and more. And he would need security too, so he would have had to build the gatherers, workers, and keep them safe with probably mercenary forces until he could build up enough security robots. But wait, he would have to supply THOSE robots too, with armaments and armor and spare parts to make repairs, which means building and programming more robots to build and assemble more robots, munitions, and spare parts. So, after he hits critical mass, he has enough robots to do all the menial tasks and get the bare bones needed for his production line... but he still needs infrastructure like facilities, which for short term he could just rent space and outsource the work until, once again, he gathers the materials, builds and programs the workers, who then gather construction supplies and materials to build his own facilities which will speed up production on all fronts, as well as storage, and then he can start building bigger and bigger robots to handle mass transportation, railways, shipping across sky and sea, as well as enough security to protect all of that... Bottom line: Dr. Ivo Robotnik is a Factorio player.
When Freema-I mean Ross doesn't take his daily dose of oxycodone, his big brain energy gets to be too much for his body and he's gotta go super fast, like Sanic.
I actually avoided this video for the longest time, just because it didn’t seem like a Game Dungeon pick. That said, Ross theorizing stuff like how Eggman could probably legally take over the world by using his robots to outcapitalism everyone else is exactly what I’d want from him looking at games outside his wheelhouse. And the Gamer Dementia thing. Besides starting that for when other games would gaslight him, yeah, that’s kind of a problem in Heroes. Say what you will about how glitchy 06 is, but it actually didn’t pull this crap. Some of its own crap, sure, but none of THIS.
*Q1:* You're not crazy for thinking Amy looked like a "little girl" when she appeared in 'Sonic CD'; Sonic is (supposed to be) about 15, and she's listed as 8 in that game's manual. Amy's hobby is (was?) fortune-telling, and based solely on those fortunes, she believes Sonic is destined to marry her. When they changed her design for 'Sonic Adventure', they aged Amy up to 12, so the rest of your guesses were pretty accurate. *Q2:* Cast your mind back to that Team Rose intro cinematic. Chocola and Froggy went missing, and Sonic was the suspected culprit. Turns out, it was really Metal Sonic, and he did it to absorb the 'Chaos' DNA that both characters happen to be carrying. (something something 'Sonic Adventure') However, the power-up that Metal gains (especially the liquid-metal shapeshifting) makes him go a wee bit power-mad. He overthrows Robotnik, pretends to _be_ Robotnik, and then lures in all the heroes so he can copy all of _their_ abilities too. So, yeah, Robotnik isn't in a hurry to let this happen again. Less grey goo, more folding time and space upon itself. *Q3:* It's one of those "We just don't know" questions, like "Does Sonic have separate eyes with a white area in-between, or an unfathomable uni-eye?". *Q4&5:* Robotnik has an IQ of 300, but a childish sense of fair play. He does things the way he does because it's more fun that way. Without the 'fun' of trying to thwart Sonic, Robotnik would _probably_ become destructively nihilistic; his alternate reality / continuity counterparts certainly are. *Q6:* Up until 'Sonic Mania' rolled around, all of the classic Super forms besides Sonic's were retconned out of existence. Putting a weird gold bubble around Tails and Knuckles in this game was their way of side-stepping the issue. Also, the PC version? It's an earlier build than the console versions, so it's jankier in places. And yes, 3D Sonic games have God-tier OSTs, but 'Sonic Heroes' is easily the King among Gods.
In regards to 4 and 5, some depictions of Eggman such as the recent IDW comics says he wouldn't go SamJack Season 5 Aku. Sonic is just a stopgap from INTERGALACTIC CONQUEST. Adventure 2, Unleashed, and Colors all state that his technology is space-worthy! He really can just conquer somewhere else were it not for his extreme hatred of that blue hedgehog. And its kinda scary to think that Sonic is powerful enough to stop the one man empire on a constant basis.
Sonic Fan here: For anyone wondering, Metal Sonic went nutty in this game and betrays Eggman as a result of losing to Sonic in past games. He thinks himself as both the original Sonic and the duplicate. Wanting to prove he's better, Metal somehow upgrades himself into the T-1000 / Neo Metal Sonic and locks Eggman up, impersonating him throughout the game. Eggman contacts Team Chaotix and anonymously hires them to go rescue him. Metal sends the message to Sonic in order to lure him in. Using his new T-1000 powers, Metal Sonic copies the biodata of every team. He also steals Big's frog and copies its data because Froggy ate the tail of a destroyer god back in Sonic Adventure. And since the destroyer god in question was a mutated Chao, Metal disguises himself as Sonic using shapeshifting and steals Chocola, a chao belonging to Cream. This is what gets Team Rose in on the plot. After all the plots happen, Metal Sonic confronts everyone and transforms into a clusterfuck of a dragon. Sonic goes Super Saiyan, Metal loses, day is saved. The reason Eggman doesn't deploy Metal Sonic as Neo Metal Sonic again in the games is implied to be because Neo Metal Sonic is a form that's inherently too out of control. It's explicitly stated in supplementary material that Eggman installs a restraining bolt on Metal Sonic following Heroes. The IDW comics on the other hand does bring Neo Metal Sonic back, explaining that during Sonic Forces, Eggman was working on upgrading Metal to re-upgrade him but with the loyalty intact this time. But this is all out-of-game stuff, so who knows for sure. Sonic lore is wack.
I never read more than the first issue of IDW Sonic, but I read good things about it, and the Neo inclusion makes me happy just for it existing. Personally, I think Neo had untapped potential, and while the restraining bolt seems to put a damper on it, I see it as something to keep in mind for a potential return. What I’d like to see-maybe not from official Sonic material (though that would be cool), but from IDW or in a fan work-is an encounter with Metal causing damage to the bolt and freeing him to become Neo again. And from there, we could explore what his rampancy is, showing how the nature of his creation as an intended equal to Sonic conflict with attempts to find his own identity. Trying to break off from Eggman and be his own person, but the Sonic rivalry/impersonation is too deeply coded and he breaks down. Neo Metal Sonic could be such an interesting character if allowed to surface again; as is, the closest I’ve seen was Repliku in CoM, specifically around his last fight. Also would be nice to fight the actual Neo form someday. I don’t fault Heroes for jumping straight to Metal Madness, that was kinda awesome actually, but I do still want to fight the T-1000 robo wizard.
Sonic Heroes' lore in the Sonic canon is like Dragon Ball GT to DBZ in a way I am not able to elucidate, but I'm sure that makes sense to at least 12 of the 17 people who will see this comment.
Notes from a member of the Sonic cult: 1. I recommend the Sonic Rush games if you want as little stop-and-go gameplay as possible. Dunno how you feel about DS emulation though. 2. It's not really your fault, but the number one reason for homing attack failure is not waiting long enough between A-presses. 3. Sonic is 15, Amy's 12. He's never shown much genuine attraction for anyone in the games, I think he's possibly asexual. In the comics he goes out with Sally, Mina and Fiona at various points, but *never* Amy. In the most recent cartoon they've got some mutual attraction, but Amy in that show is much more reserved, she never obsesses over him like in other media. 4. You're not wrong about the high-up controls. They're _especially_ terrible in this game. Barring the last level, to this day, I think Sonic CD might be the only Sonic game with no pits to fall in. 5. Do not feel any responsibility for the pinball controls, they are absolute fucking nonsense. The best advice I can give is "hold forward". 6. I literally did not realize this until last week when I played the game, but you're not actually supposed to mash the button on rails, you hold it down and use the stick to balance. It's deceptive, since in Adventure 2, you don't jump when you speed up, and in SHADOW, which is built off Heroes' engine, you DO mash the button. 7. There IS an AI-upscaled texture mod for this game, it's on Gamebanana, along with the mod loader you use to run it. 8. The checkpoints in this game aren't designed like the starposts and gates in just about every other Sonic game, that might be part of you ignoring them. Also, the game can be really stingy with them, even without your help. 9. This is the first and last game that Metal Sonic can magically turn liquid. Weirdly, both this game and Sonic Battle, which came out on the same day, have alternate storylines surrounding Shadow's amnesia and a robot that copies everyone else's powers. 10. The Tails rant is funny, because even creators on the series have no idea how it works. Tyson Hesse (redesigned movie Sonic, writes and draws for the comics) drew a parody comic a few years back called "Hedgehog the Sonic" where Tails attempts to fly with his arms and breaks all his bones. 11. The Shadow bit is so on-point, even modern material (mostly the comics and TV shows) uses it for comedic effect. Shadow is obsessed with the edge aesthetic to an actual fault. It literally almost gets everyone killed in the most recent arc. 12. The #1 fan of Knuckles is Ken Penders, the psychotic former comic writer who was so obsessed with adding echidna lore and characters, including "Enerjax" (actually Enerjak, with a K) that he sued Bioware over Sonic Chronicles for doing it themselves, then when SEGA and Archie counter-sued him, he managed to make it out of the whole ordeal with nearly every major Knuckles relative from the comics, which he's trying to make into a NEW comic book called The Lara-su Chronicles, which has some of the most disturbed and terrifying Sonic character art I've ever seen. 13. If you build up some speed, you can make that Mystic Mansion wall jump with Tails. 14. Eggman is the best character. He is consistently the most fun in terms of writing or acting. 15. Chaotix is a fever dream of a game. It's also really boring once you get past the art and sound. 16. I think Eggman is probably a defense contractor. In Sonic Battle, he sells E-series robots to companies looking for guards, the military robots in Adventure 2 and Rush are basically identical to his, just with less personality. That said, the Robotnik robots without animals are typically weaker than specialized badniks. Sonic Lost World has the animals again, and enemies are way harder to beat in that game. 17. Eggman's actual literal goal is transforming the world into a robotic amusement park where every citizen is constantly terrorized and possibly seriously injured. He almost accomplishes this in Sonic Unleashed, but that only happened because he broke the Earth into pieces. 18. The lack of a drop shadow is one of the biggest problems in both this game and Unleashed. It's not your fault. 19. Team Sonic's playthrough is hard, but if you've ever tried Team Dark, you will know how miserable a game this can be. 20. I did get the actual end to this game legitimately. It sucks. 21. While not a vampire, Ken Penders did write Knuckles as a stand-in for Jesus Christ at many points. He actually had so many magic powers and heroic prophecies bestowed upon him that current writer Ian Flynn dubbed Penders Knuckles "The Hot Pocket of Destiny". 22. This game DOES have crippling issues. It's programmed badly. The physics and collision are just very poor. Even at their worst, most other Sonic games function better than this one. 06 and Secret Rings probably don't, but even Sonic Boom doesn't kill you for no reason.
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds. Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved. John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Multi-tailed foxes are a thing from Japanese mythology, which puts Tails roughly in the same category as those Bible-accurate Angels and other Lovecraftian horrors.
@@an2qzavok "Japanese mythology" is f* weird. There is a hell, and another hell, and another hell, and all the deities are evil and we have demons, and all of them live in the hell.
Sonic Heroes is the pinnacle of gaslighting. The sheer amount of times where it makes you believe it's your fault you died is crazy, especially when some things just don't work every time like they're meant to.
If I had a nickel for every time a grind failed to happen, or I clipped off of a ledge, got Camera Screwed by sudden control changes, my Homing Attack just.... doesn't, and Floor Is Butter physics yeeting me off the level at a whim, I could skip the unemployment process and retire.
Sometimes it IS your fault but only because the game, despite having tutorials up the wazoo, doesn't explain its mechanics properly. Failed light dash? You were supposed to wait for the b button to flash on screen, under the team selection ui. Rail jumps hurtle you into oblivion? You're supposed hold left or right, then press jump, or else the game system will get confused and slingshot you. Homing attacks are legitimately hard to manage sometimes, requiring such precise input with no feedback if you're doing it right, until it's too late.
"Lost and confused while being exposed to images of Sonic being burned alive over and over again" seems like a pretty accurate description of the experience of being a Sonic fan for the past 25 years.
51:46 is just Ross creating the freedom fighters storyline without realising it. Like all the points he brought up are in the comics in addition to Eggman kidnaping and turning people into robots. Basically there was no legal way to stop him and Sonic became a revolutionary freedom fighter. Robotnic's end goal is basically to turn everyone and everything into machines. He'll pollute the entire planet to the point no life can be sustained but it'll be fine since he'll have "fixed" everyone's "problem" of needing clean air or water in the first place. This also involves taking the need for sleep as well as freewill away from everyone, leaving himself as the last being of freewill on the planet.
"The last who feels the pain from the wound The last to be birthed from the flesh of a womb A wretched life in this altered place There must be more I can embrace" Sorry, I had to.
Eggman's very much a believer in the old addage, _"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."_ and the Roboticizer is his eye-gouging machine.
Yeah, the Archie series was one hell of a can of worms when it came to continuity, canonicity, and just plain old bad writing. Didn't help Ken Penders tried to do some really weird shit (like having sonic get cucked) before he got the boot, sued Archie, and took a bunch of characters with him. He took so many they had to restart the series with a timeline changing mcguffin (sucked too, really wanted to see the mecha-sally arch finish) to start the cannon over. Eventually Sega had enough an pulled the rights from Archie.
1. It's not just you, this game is notoriously buggy. 2. I think Tails actually *was* voiced by an actual 5-8 year old in this game. 3. Canonically, Sonic is 15 and Amy is 12. 4. Depending on who you ask (and how any given game is written) Amy is either hopelessly devoted to Sonic despite him not being interested in relationships at all; an annoying obnoxious fangirl turned psycho stalker who's gonna end up killing Sonic after he rejects her one too many times; or fangirl with a crush that's turned into a genuine affection and is actually maturing as time goes on. (The writers seems to try for the 3rd, but she often feels like the 2nd....to me anyway.) 5. The liquid metal thing was only in this game, never before and never again. 6. Tails' tails.....well you see [shoves sandwich in mouth and talks through it]...and that's how that works. 7. The real problem with Shadow is that one of the producers has flat-out *mandated* that Shadow be written to be an edgelord, and literally everyone hates it. He *had* character progression, and ironically this game was the high point. After this they even retconned Team Dark out of existence, because Shadow "doesn't have friends". 8. Your point about Robotnik is the same case that can be made for pretty much every supervillain: that they could easily make more money or gain more power the easy and legal way. 9. His "endgame" is to build a theme park. "Eggmanland". Some that was all he wanted to do from the start and that it's kind of Sonic's fault that he's escalated so much...that if Sonic hadn't stopped him Sonic 1 that he'd've built his theme park and that would've been that, but now the only thing Robotnik really cares about is getting his revenge and killing Sonic. 9. It's the one constant in Sonic games, even if the game's mediocre the *soundtrack* is *amazing* 10. Hyper Sonic according to SEGA is non-canon, so Super Tails and Hyper Knux are probably retconned too. So, as far as any of us know, no. The Emeralds don't turn him into a vampire. Also the Werehog was from Sonic Unleashed. Two words about Unleashed that you'll understand when/if you play it: "Battle Jazz".
Yeah, I feel like the tails thing ends quite poorly if you think about it too much, I see it as magic chaos energy shenanigans that allow his muscles to pass through each other, and keeps him from simply spinning out of control cause of poor stability.
You forgotten about team dark was also in sonic 06. And it continued shadows and gangs relationship as a team. It surprisingly made it better. Then unfortunately went backwards until what he is today, an edgy side character whos one toned and is used for fan service. Tragic..
@@ghostofdoom1941 True, I did overlook that Team Dark was pretty well done in '06. (Mostly because that game was an unfinished disaster, made more tragic by the fact that it had real potential to be amazing if it hadn't been rushed out to meet an arbitrary deadline.) Even though their story (like the rest of the game) was riddled with holes from where things got cut/changed at the last second... I can't even blame the writers, because I get the impression *they* want to be able to do more and better things with the characters too, but the producers, or at least one particular producer, has forbidden it and he unfortunately has enough power to enforce it...
I appreciate Ross for actually taking the time to own up and admit that some of the pain he went through was due to his own misunderstanding of some of the game mechanics, there are so many people that will just call everything the game’s fault that hearing someone admit that it was their own fault is more refreshing than it should be
Other half was just the PC port's horrible unrefined state, which I can wholeheartedly attest to since sections of Grand Metropolis would move at triple speed or not send you far enough.
Speaking of which, aren't those laser beams color coded? So that Sonic is hurt only by the blue beam, Knuckles by red/pink beam and Tails by the yellow one?
Amy's childish borderline-psycho fixation on an older Hedgehog? Dr Eggman's potential to legally and diplomatically control the world through minimum labour costs? The theory of Tail's robotic ass? For a casual Sonic fan, Ross could come up with some REALLY interesting fanfiction for the fandom.
The way Amy obesses over sonic when he puts it like that makes me sad because that's the behavior of a groomed child. it's how I acted during my teenager years after getting groomed by a 30 year old when I was 9 over habbo hotel.
ThePandaHatChick yeah but Amy is only 3 years younger than Sonic it really isn’t that big of an age gap as some people want to be... some people in real life get together with a 6-10 year age gap and depending on the age of both it is entirely acceptable
@@TenshiPrime sorry you had to endure that. luckily i don't think there is the possibility of grooming with sonic, sonic is trying to have nothing to do with her and trying to get away, the opposite of trying to build a framework of a relationship.
Accursed Farms: "So, I'm going to have some questions for you TRUE Sonic fans by the end of this." True Sonic fans: "Don't hold your breath. We are just as bewildered by Sonic Heroes as you are."
The only questions I have is for the American lolcalization team who decided it would be a good idea to make up ages for them in the manual. It was nothing but fuel for flame wars, left and right.
Just FYI, Big the Cat is voiced by John St. John in some games. In a recent interview for the Realms Deep event by 3D Realms he mentioned that he basically did the most stupid voice he could without any preparation - which apparently was exactly what the studio wanted.
Just think, in an alternate timeline we had fat, furry, fishing-obsessed Duke Nukem on a quest to get his pet frog back. “I’m here to kick ass and catch fish, and I’m all outta bait.”
I love the description of calling Big the Cat an enforcer. I'd love to see a mafia spin-off of Sonic where innocent Big has to go through terrible things to get his frog or whatever, but he doesn't know what he's doing. So he's just incredibly cruel in the most oblivious way possible
You may want to look into the later Fleetway Sonic comics. Big's Froggy equivalent is _Chaos_, and it only gets crazier from there. What happens when Big gets a bounty on his head? Read and find out.
@@RougeMephilesClone Ah yes somebody else remembers the Fleetway comics. Where Super Sonic was less a super mode and more a psychotic and uber powerful alternate personality (seriously almost every time Fleetway Sonic went Super he would try and kill EVERYTHING in sight of him). Sonic and his allies lived in fear of that happening, because after a while it didn't need the Emeralds anymore, he just had to get mad/frustrated enough like the Hulk. Plus it went with the Kintobor origin story for Robotnik, where he was once a good man, but a failed attempt to cleanse evil from the land, ended with him instead absorbing it into himself.
"See, Sonic has no money, so all he has to gamble with is his life." That's not a sentence I was expecting to hear this morning. Also, nice Omelas reference!
The moment it hits you that Amy recruited two toddlers and an adult with the mental capacity of one as her team is actually really telling. Ross, you amazing person you.
@wildfirefox1 Yeah, I remember it was canon that Amy was 12 and Sonic was 16. If Sonic did date her, he'd be canceled on the internet these days afterward.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, look up Sonic Heroes - Opening (In Production) It's basically the intro but the song writers were still writing the lyrics as the song was being made, so the lyrics are literally just jumbled up words. It's the best thing ever.
33:19 I think the most impressive part about missing that checkpoint three times was Ross kept stopping/slowing down right next to it, then carefully maneuvering around it.
I love how I started watching a video about how Sonic Heroes is a nice game with cool visuals and good music only to end up wondering about the social implications of a single man owning an entirely automated empire
The key to Tails is the fact that has multiple tails- in Japanese mythology, creatures with multiple tails are special, and they gain additional servings of Magical Bullshit Powers with each additional tail they grow. so it's roughly like if you saw a character in a pointy hat and a broomstick, and then she gets on the broomstick and flies away- it doesn't literally make sense, but it draws on a cultural reference point that would at least somewhat make sense in context. tl;dr- magical bullshit powers.
I played this on my Gamecube when I was 7 years old. I DID NOT imagine a game like this ever being on Ross's Game Dungeon. I have no idea what to expect. This is gonna be emotional
"Officials can turn down only so many suitcases full of money" Yah, that is pretty much how most corporations see government bodies when dealing with them.
I mean why not? The public thinks governments are the gatekeepers of every vital resource in the nation. With that kind of power, it would be silly not to buy it.
As a man who works on a tech support phone desk, "It just worked and now it doesn't!" is literally a thing I hear every day and that joke made me laugh like a madman.
Sonic Heroes' grade isn't based on keys, rings, how many times you died, or any of that. The only thing that matters is how fast you completed the level. The larger that number on the timer, the lower the grade. By taking your time, enjoying the scenery, and trying your best not to die, you were basically ensuring that you consistently got the lowest grade period.
@@nicholastosoni707 Sorry, I forgot to mention that, and in fact counter-intuit that by saying that lives don't matter. You're right, though, fastest in one take.
@@borederlands5387 Adventure 2 was its own mess but the mix of time bonuses and score attack mechanics its ranking system had worked really well, shame whichever poor bastard draws the short straw and has to make another Sonic has their own ideas on how the score should work
A lot of Ross's issues with the "gamer dementia" reminds me of the climbing puzzles in Assassin's Creed games where you've climbed perfectly for the past hour only to jump the opposite direction and it costs you tons of time.
39:33 Game tech artist/developer here. About the dust/smoke/steam being brighter than the sun: this is a rendering optimization trade-off. Rendering transparency, especially with multiple layers can choke the GPU on fill rate pretty quick. There's just too many math operations to do for these pixels on the screen. Additive transparency is cheaper than alpha blending, because you don't have to care about dimming the background before drawing a new layer on top so it's less math to do for each pixel on screen. It works great for fire, plasma, magic and sparks, etc but unfortunately smoke becomes too bright. Still - doing alpha blending is much more expansive, especially if you have multiple smoke particles overlapping. With static level geometry it's much easier to control how many layers of transparency can be rendered at any given moment so level designers can make sure it's not going to go over the frame budget. With particle effects, especially ones like smoke where each particle can take quite a lot pixels on screen this can result in nasty frame rate drops if the camera flies into a cloud of smoke. You can see the same thing in NFS:MW when doing a donut - the burnout smoke is insanely bright when getting too dense.
@@JustSkram Japan's idea of a cute character. Remember Navi from Ocarina of time? The Rotom Dex in Pokemon Sun and Moon? It might be down to different scripts in the mother tongue of the series, but the Japanese tend to find characters like that endearing and cute. and considering most of the main cast of Sonic's friends and rivals are 15 or younger... with Rouge being the oldest at 18. Hay, Amy herself is friggin' 12, Sonic is 15. She's a pre-teen with a crush on an older kid.
When I was 5 I always thought it's supposed to make her look insane and that she was supposed to be obsessive and I thought it's fine. But I was a weird kid and I listened to Slayer when I was 5, so don't judge me!!!!
@@eng3d I think that goes for star wars fans as well. As well as fans of paradox games. Honestly, I think you aren't a true fan unless you hate everything about it.
@@urmomisurdad5422 I dunno man, I'm surprised he managed to get their ages (and therefore, the basic dynamic of their relationship) pretty much correct, most people I've seen who aren't part of the Sonic Cabal just assume they're around the same age; if they even think about the ages of Sonic characters at all. Though IIRC, Amy's still a preteen after Adventure I think? I might be wrong.
@@LonelySpaceDetective Sonic was still like 10-15 around heroes so the age gap wasn't that dramatic. Sonic was just the "boy who doesn't reciprocate love" trope you see in media when the characters are kids, there isn't really anything to it.
@@Accursed_Farms Thank you, Ross. I've felt like I'm in crazy town with everyone calling this one of the worst Sonic games, when it's at least the best 3D one.
Ross subconsciously avoiding checkpoints reminds me a lot on how many video game streamers always seem to overlook stuff when they play and then act surprised or annoyed that they were supposed to know the thing they've been ignoring.
Gonna give a shot at the Sonic Lore Master Questions: 1. Most manuals tend to refer to Sonic as 15 and Amy as 12, so your assessment is fairly correct. In recent years the writers have toned down her crush on Sonic a lot, but it still shows up from time to time. Between the Genesis games and the 3D games, there's a bit of a time skip where the whole cast seems to get a little older, and Amy seems to have changed the most, going from a young girl to more like a young teen. Whether Sonic is interested in her, or women in general really, varies a bit between the various pieces of Sonic media. Keep in mind that the Sonic series has had a LOT of different writers between the games, the comics, the TV shows, etc. so it can get really dicey as to what's canon or not. The American media like SATAM and the Archie Sonic comics seem to like the idea of Sonic having a love interest more than most of the Japanese media, where he's depicted as a free spirit who doesn't want to get tied down in a relationship. 2. I'm not 100% on this, but I think the explanation for Metal Sonic being able to transform like that is because he copied the DNA of Chaos, the water monster from Sonic Adventure. Somehow Robotnik must have gotten a sample of Chaos before he ascended to heaven at the end of that game. Actually, in Sonic Adventure 2, one of the enemy types is a series of man-made replicas of Chaos which were created 50 years before the events of the game by Robotnik's grandfather while he was on board a space colony. So maybe Robotnik just used some samples from those guys to build a new Metal Sonic. 3. No one knows. There's a common fan theory that his tails are connected to a ball joint, like your shoulder, but it's easier to just chalk it up to someone at SEGA (Yashushi Yamaguchi in this case, a.k.a. "Judy Toyota") just thinking it would make for a cool visual and not thinking too far past that. This is a very common design philosophy in the Sonic series. For example, in Sonic Unleashed, Robotnik fires a giant laser into the earth and splits it into seven chunks, but most people and societies are doing just fine aside from being mildly worried about purple demon monsters possessing random people. 4. Kind of getting a little off track from the direct portion of the question, but I love Eggman/Robotnik as a character so this is my excuse to talk about him. It's been shown that Robotnik does have robot underlings that manage the bottom-tier robots. Not to mention that in one of the racing game spinoffs (Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity) he's shown to have a stranglehold on the hoverboard industry. As to why Robotnik doesn't take over the world legitimately, I think it's part of a wonderful and underappreciated aspect of his character. The core conceit of Eggman is that he has the greatest mind and intellect in the world, but the personality of a spoiled child. He causes massive amounts of property damage, makes death machines shaped like cartoon insects, and sends entire armies after one hedgehog because the hedgehog likes to make fun of his appearance. If you were a 7 year old with unlimited resources trying to take over the world, that's what you would do, too! His main goal in a lot of Sonic media is to turn the world into a giant theme park! I guess he is sort of a competitor to Disney in that regard. Overall I never expected a full on Sonic video from you, and especially not concerning one of the most well-known Sonic games. My inner Sonic cultist did cringe a few times when you badmouthed Shadow but I understand your reasoning. Overall a great watch!
Regarding 2), Metal Sonic stole the Chaos genes from Froggy and Cream's Chao friend, I think, rescuing whom is the motive for the Team Rose subplot. Cheese the Chao having Chaos genes is kind of a contrivance, but it makes enough sense if we assume Chaos is a Chao, which he probably is, judging from the existence of Chaos Chao. That is how Metal Sonic gained Chaos powers, rather than Eggman keeping Chaos samples around I think, I haven't played this game in years
17:10 in case Ross somehow sees this comment. The reason you kept failing there is that there's a spring in the middle of that automated section that you're supposed to hit to launch you, in the 2nd and 3rd attempt you managed the miss the spring....how? no idea...but Switching to Tails help you because the hitbox for Tails form is wider than Sonic's so you were less likely to somehow miss the spring again.
Apparently he’s playing the PC port of the game (which I didn’t know existed until now), which another commenter has stated to have a lot more physics glitches. The fact that he’s playing it on much more advanced hardware than what was available when the game was released probably doesn’t help.
@@NerfPlayeR135 Which is something I find funny about this game, considering that Burnout 1 through 3 had superb PC ports and the RenderWare Engine isn't known to be a difficult to develop on or buggy engine.
I agree that it looks pretty weird but it's pretty common for cartoon artwork to do that with the eyes. it's supposed to give the impression that one eye is overlapping the other to give it a bit of perspective. i don't think people really noticed it until they started making 3D sonic games, which makes sense since the conjoined eye thing was always just meant to be a 2D drawing technique.
Yeah, but I would say if you're not a hardcore Sonic fan, you probably missed this one. It doesn't seem to have the nostalgia factor that a lot of other Sonic games have.
Ross gushing over Rail Canyon, stopping to appreciate the music, and breaking down the absurdity of Amy's plan and the logistical feats of Ro-butt-nik's empire were things I did not know I needed. After a while, Sonic games just kinda blur together and you accept these things as "it is what it is." Seeing the perspective of someone who isn't normally neck deep in this stuff really shines a light on how spectacular the series is, and I am here for it. Also, I hear that Revanent music.
I think there isn't any other video that captures the charm and appeal of sonic games better than this one. Even though you chose one of the not so great ones, you talked a lot about the cool stuff you don't get in any other game series besides this one. And then there's the lack of polish that might be even worse in the pc version. Could be one of my favorite Game Dungeons so far! I bet you would enjoy Sonic Generations quite a bit. The amount of nostalgia bait might not do it for you but it's easily the fastest 3D Sonic game with the least amount of bullshit you could get on the pc right now.
Ross actually made me realize why I inexplicably like Sonic games. I don't actually care for the gameplay, I like them for the music and seeing all the cool surreal fantasy environments you get to run through. That's subconsciously always been the draw for me I guess.
Wow, thanks. It's a game that kind of stuck out in my memory, its highs are very high. I've played Generations. I was going to mention it a little bit, but the video went on so long, I decided to cut it. The short version is I thought it was slick and fun gameplay and presentation-wise, but retread a lot of existing stuff. So it sort of feels like a complimentary game, but ironically is better than a lot of the core games, which puts it in weird territory. I like seeing past levels get the red carpet treatment, but I would want to keep seeing new stuff too. Also it sort of failed the music test since it was just a bunch of remixes. The only track that stood out to me was the 2D version of Crisis City. I went and listened to the original after that and was almost in shock how much worse it was. I've played Mania also. I liked the new zones / music, but the remixed zones / same music I got tired of fast since I had already seen the original plenty. The mid-boss music in that is one of the best themes in the entire series.
@@Accursed_Farms Knowing the way you tick, EVERYTHING is in "weird territory", and "mixed feelings" is just a big theme of your life. Which is why you kept saying "My fault" every time the game would refuse to let you pull the switch, or it'd throw you off, or just keep you from doing the thing to progress.
26:32 I can actually explain that (sorry if someone else already explained it). The reason you sometimes died and sometimes you didn't was because your teammates weren't on the bingo highway with you, they were somewhere else not in pinball mode (pinball mode being when you're on the pinball boards/bingo highways). If there's a white cancel sign on a character's portrait when you're in pinball mode, unless they were captured by an enemy, it means that they've fallen off the board/highway and died, so they can't be switched to. When the character you're playing as during the pinball/bingo highway segments falls off, it switches you to another alive team member or the only team member alive, regardless if they're on the pinball board/bingo highway with you or not. Sonic Heroes is just weird like that. I think there's a consistent way to do it to give you infinite tries on the pinball/bingo highway segments, but I've either forgotten or don't know. Anyways, this was an awesome video! Sonic Heroes is one of those games I love seeing reviews since Sonic Heroes is a flawed game but also a game that's nostalgic for so many, including myself. The opinions can be really neat.
Regarding the tails flying tailspin thingy stuff: There are types of flagellas on some microorganisms that actually work like this. Kinda like a motor where it actually lets the flagella spin around it's own axis instead of making it move some other way. It's probably the second-biggest argument of creationists (after the eye) that it couldn't have evolved in parts that work together, but that's a whole different can of worms. And tbh i have no idea why i wrote all this...
@@billhughes1170 The argument (I am undecided on the matter personally, but I am familiar with YEC rhetoric) is that the propulsion method of the flagellum is so complex and relies on so many interconnected parts that it would be mathematically impossible for it to have developed through random mutation.
@@RabbiHerschel What are you on about? It isn't impossible and it wasn't a random mutation. It was MILLIONS OF SMALL MUTATIONS. All changing something until you get your complex organs. Bad education is the sole reason for people not understanding this and also why there are so many freaking creationists in the US.
For any mad scientists out there this of course isn’t legal advice but still. Legally speaking, if Eggman Empire (TM) is a sole proprietorship he exposes himself to personal liability as opposed to the limited liability of a corporate entity. High priced lawyers would go a long way but he definitely won’t get the tax and liability benefits Disney or Amazon garner. For the sake of completeness, even if he formed a corporation you could argue that it’s really just him under alter-ego theory because it’s just him for his own gain and resources. The law around this can be as dizzying as the heights in this game.
Ahem. You lobby to have your your AI recognized as having human rights and incorporate with them. Literally the perfect corporate structure- uniformity in purpose, always on and unending. The only tricky bit is upgrades to the neural net possibly being considered murder, but otherwise consider a co-founder of a corporation that is 700 years old and still serving.
Obviously if Eggman became a powerful enough economic force, so amount of existing laws could stand against him and his army of lobbyists. When you have enough money, rigging the system to favor you and you alone is trivial.
When thinking seriously about what a person like Robotnik would be like in real life, I think it's helpful to turn to yet another old school game series, namely Megaman. The details differ but the principle remains the same: a single person gaining unfathomable power through robotics. And yes, much like Sonic, Megaman's and Dr. Wiley's interactions are very Saturday Morning Cartoon in their logic and need to maintain status quo. But where they part ways is that unlike Robotnik, it seems VERY clear based on the levels you play that Dr. Wiley in no uncertain terms already runs the world. This is not really you trying to stop him, this is you avenging what he's already done. This isn't "Wiley *might* use the tech he stole from Light to take over", that cat's already out of the bag. I don't even care what the lore claims, that's what you see with your own eyes playing those games. I mean some of those levels, there's no going back from. Whether Wiley's dead or alive, entire regions of the world are now permanently robot covered no-man's-lands. And what does he do with all this unimaginable power? Hide away in his giant estate. The reality is, this kind of success is always going to be a Dr. Frankenstein problem. The one who leads that charge will not be the master of it, but the prisoner of his own creation, locking himself away in a nearly impenetrable fortress simultaneously terrified of both the angry populace he's oppressed and the robotic monsters he gave life to.
I have only one single issue with this hour-long video (and that's amazing) which is that you didn't mention how the final boss, Metal Overlord, throws *battleships* at you, and Knuckles *punches through them*. Sonic Heroes is an important game from my childhood and I was pleasantly surprised to see a Game Dungeon on it on my feed. It was beyond my expectations. Great video. Keep it up!
It's not going to be Painkiller. Civvie hasn't tackled it. He did hinted things on his video chats ever since August 2019. It's a GAME Civvie-11 tackled. It will be a complement to him, and will address things he did not. An FPS game WITH GREAT MUSIC. It's ALSO NOT UNREAL! I guess things are going to get SERIOUS on the next Game Dungeon Episode, eh?
@@Nevermore2790 I'm thinking things will get either Serious, or Sinful. Ross hinted in the past that he has some things to say about the latter that nobody knows about.
This has already been said, but Eggman's end goal is in two parts: 1. He wants to take over the world and turn it into a robot police state where he rules supreme and the US Government personal who murdered his beloved grandfather Gerald Robotnik and got away scot free are instead caught and executed, with Ivo Robotnik's rules making it so that nobody can allow such things to happen again, nor can anyone oppose his views. 2. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik _really_ loves theme parks and he knows damn well how suited for them the architecture in Sonic's version of future Earth is made for them, considering you get loop the loops and corkscrews formed from natural stone, so he plans to also make his Orwellian Eggman Empire partly the biggest theme park you'd ever see. We're talking Eternam levels big, the more dangerous and likely to kill you the rides, the better. I got a whole essay of what Eggman's world would look like, going by how I wanted the level design ideas (based on Sonic P-06 and Wolfenstein: The New Order/New Colossus with some Half Life 2 Beta thrown in) to look in Sonic Forces, as opposed to how it ended up in the final game: lion-o-cyborg-iii.tumblr.com/post/189649235657/sonic-forces-improvement-ideas
Why not send his robots to cap the feddies? He apparently can take over an area with no opposition at will, so long as it doesn't go after the cast while doing so.
@@dansmith1661 As the big list states, he could use Infinite, but that applies to Forces only. You're right: he could easily build terminators for dealing with his targets more easily, so long as he doesn't go after Sonic or the main cast. Knowing Eggman though, I think when it comes to killing the people directly responsible for Gerald & Maria Robotnik's deaths, Ivo would want to personally pull the trigger, probably on live TV in the Eggman Empire, New Colossus style.
It's become very vague over the years what Eggman's ultimate goal is. Nowadays, it's just a generic "world conquest" thing. But to answer this, we need to go back to the beginning of Eggman's conception. You see, Sonic at its core is about environmentalism. Eggman is the establishment who's destroying the environment & causing global warming, while Sonic is the one trying to preserve our planet. However, Eggman is not just some Captain Planet villain. He doesn't do what he does just for the hell of it. He is actually a self-loving egomaniac. His overinflated ego makes it so he literally cannot comprehend how anyone could not love him as much as he loves himself. His goal is not to transform everything into robots, nor is it to turn naturistic environments into desolate wastelands. His goal is to shove his image onto everything in sight and create a world that loves and praises him. One that would celebrate his genius. That's why his robots look like him. That's why you see Eggman faces plastered everywhere in every level. That's why, in his original design, he wore a cape. So his ultimate goal is to create Eggmanland: a utopia celebrating & worshipping HIS genius and HIS brilliant inventions that are on the forefront of modern industry. And he tries to achieve this in the most destructive, toxic, cruel, & cold-blooded way possible, because according to him, that's what it's going to take to make it happen. Essentially, Eggman's goal is to create North Korea. Times a thousand. Early concept art of Sonic 2 depicts a future where Sonic no longer exists and Eggman is left to his own devices: what we see is an island with not one remnant of nature in sight, but in its place is a humongous urban city, a bustling casino, futuristic tech everywhere you look, and Eggman's brand plastered over everything. What you also see however is a chemical plant dumping endless toxic waste into the ocean, and that ocean levels have dropped dramatically as he uses it to fuel his utopia. You also see multiple factories that produce his machines, pumping noxious gases into the air, and that the island is surrounded by a fascistic military defense grid.
Geez, I never knew exactly what Eggman wanted to do aside from the whole "take over the world" scheme, so this was informative. A giant amusement park made from the entire planet (and beyond) sounds awesome on paper, but terrible once you start to detail out the specifics. When Ross finds out about Eggman's theme park motivation, he's going to have a field day! He'll probably compare it to the billionaires' racetrack story he made up during his TrackMania 2: Canyon video, they have their similarities. Also he might sympathize with Eggman's mission to avenge his Grandfather, that doesn't sound evil at all really, just sad.
@@DefinitiveDubs Great analysis, man. :) Genocide City that island was called, very fittingly. I guess the Good Future counterpart would be Cyber City that the zone was renamed to prior to cutting. To add to it further; why does Eggman have such an ego? Because the Robotnik family was great once and he aims to live up to Gerald Robotnik, though that does seem to be kind of stunted or even forgotten at times with the way he emphasises himself more than the Professor due to reasons you just gave. It's also ironic as Gerald wanted to better humanity and anthropomorphs with his work, not drain Earth dry and paint his family let alone himself as the big cheese. That only went out the window when he lost his mind. Hell, the Eclipse Cannon was built as the ultimate orbital defence, which not even a MAC gun can hold a candle to, except perhaps a Halo ring or a Trih Xeem super-nuke. Ivo on the other hand just pollutes and destroys, all in the name of achiving his goals without noticing nor caring about the damage to Earth he does. Even after he learned of his grandpa's insanity and plans of genocide prior to his execution, he persisted in his efforts as despite learning how his hero fell, his dreams of the Empire are all he has left. Solaris knows what happened to his own family before the games, or what they think of their son/brother/cousin etc assuming they're still alive. His pride in the Robotnik family name renewed when Gerald revealed the purpose of Shadow & the Eclipse Cannon, showing that he had good aims all along, making Eggman's perceived justice and end goals look justified in his eyes. It may even get to the point that he may stop maintaining his robots and his own Eggmanland falls into decay like North Korea crossed with Rapture. Even when Eggman dies his slowly corroding tech would live on, feebly trying to serve their dead master as the empire crumbles. The counterparts to the Sonic 2 beta bad futures in Sonic CD showed this off quite well though Eggman was alive in those due to being present day Eggman. Maybe that and/or the Sonic 2 beta bad future is what the Spiderbot world is... Sonic Forces tries to capture that spirit of the Sonic 2 beta such as Green Hill becoming a desert after all the water gets sucked away and Genocide City actually being built (now named after Metropolis) but despite being an OK game the world building was half-assed, which was why I made the list I linked to.
The lengths he's willing to go, the means he tries to use, and the amount of human suffering he's willing to cause all seem to vary from game to game, but the closest that exists to a contiguous end goal for Eggman seems to be... building the world's greatest *amusement park,* of all things. According to Sonic Adventure, his endgoal was to destroy Station Square and build "Robotnik Land" on its ruins. The interesting thing is that he doesn't refer to it as a nation, or some kind of new world order, but simply "the ultimate *city,* where I will rule it all!" This implies that, while he does want the entire world under his thumb, presumably for the sake of resources, labor, and simply preventing threats from appearing elsewhere, his true passion project is actually something relatively small, effectively being the absolute ruler of a region the size of a large US city. In Adventure 2, people commonly state that Eggman is attempting to destroy the world with the Eclipse Cannon, but this isn't actually true. He threatens to turn the weapon on individual nations, but after tripping a planetary destruction protocol on accident, he turns tail and helps save Earth from extinction. No true goals were established, but this DOES rule out death and destruction as a goal of its own. In Sonic Unleashed, we get to see Robotnik Land (or "Eggman Land") come to fruition. It is, fittingly enough, a city-sized themepark, though interestingly we don't see anyone living there. So while Eggman isn't aiming to wipe out humanity, it's not clear if and to what extent he actually *wants* to share his dream metropolis with other people. Colors is a bit of a weird case, because in this game he creates an even bigger amusement park, in *space,* though even those things are both major understatements because in order to achieve this he *abducts multiple dwarf planets and attaches them to Earth via a space elevator.* What makes this a weird case (aside from just being a bonkers scenario in general) is that he DOES succeed in building the greatest amusement park ever, does it legally (technically,) and even has Sonic and Tails not CERTAIN if anything is amiss. Life goal achieved, right? Well, not exactly. The amusement park itself is actually a front to extract energy from a bunch of aliens, and use said energy to power a planet-wide mind control ray. We are, once again, left with absolutely no information on what he'd USE the mind control ray to make people DO, but you know what? I wouldn't be shocked if "build an even bigger amusement park" was the answer.
I remember reading a somewhat obscure Sonic fact book titled "Stay Sonic" that I believe was from '93. In that book, they explain that Tails'... uh... tails were double-jointed, allowing him to spin them like a propeller. As far as I'm aware, that's the only explanation for Tails' abilities that has ever been given. I hope that helps
The way you manage to hook me for an entire hour about a game I absolutely didn't care for at all impresses me a lot. I'd rate the episode E for the joke but it was a solid A+, absolutely great.
It all depends on which camp you visit I suppose. Some are better for free-agent civilized discussion than others, some have better social cohesion, some generate more original memetic content, and then some are just periodically raided by the deviants looking to raise hell... long stories for sure!
I mean, in the SatAM cartoon at least, Robotnik basically said "Fuck it" and launched a full-on military coup, effectively taking over a huge chunk of the planet, installed himself as self-appointed leader, turned most cities into dystopian Cyberpunk nightmares and it's citizens into subservient robots, leaving Sonic and his friends to become contra resistance fighters.
Apparently the question about why Robotnik wanted to take over was because he really does think that he's just that awesome. He wants the entire world singing his praises. And he wants a perfectly ordered world with himself at the helm. And he is that order.
Growing up watching Freemans Mind, hearing Ross give such praise to Sonic's character, aesthetic, and music while still giving very valid criticism but still seeming to like a game most FANS seem to not like anymore fills me with a Light Of Hope.
*Ross bringing up strange collision mishaps on fourth level* Huh yeah that does seem odd, i remember it being very easy getting by these first levels no problem, perhaps there's an issue with the copy of the game and the platform that it runs on. *Remembers where, as a child I got stuck on this game and could not get by one level in particular cause of collision physics acting up poorly* oh god... ross, no.. get out while you still can.
@@iqwrjwqioprwjriopqrjpqowir No, I definitely remember quitting a console version of this game out of frustration. Because of falling off a loop repeatedly.
Ross, tails tail works by rotating half a clockwise turn then reverse, and creates lift by altering the shape of the tail back and forth. The reason it looks like a propeller is because the rotation speed matches your screen refresh rate. Mystery solved.
There’s Sonic, and his two droogs, Knuckles and Tails sitting in the Milkbar drinking milk-plus and getting ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence. 👁
A couple fun facts from a Sonic Cultist. Eggman *has* actually won a few times in different continuities. (Because of course there are reboots.) In all of them though he does actively seem to be taking control of the government and instituting his own law on top of policing and maintaining infrastructure. Now, depending on how cartoony the continuity is it might be laws like "No Fun Allowed," but even in the more serious plots he actually does maintain his position and work with the local governments he's supplanting. Mind you, he's an Emperor-type leader, full stop. Enforces his will through giant robot death fleets while slowly expanding his utopian city of "Eggmanland," which he seems to have as a passion project. On the notion of "what if Eggman played by the rules," that's the set-up plot of Sonic Colours. Eggman manages to both build and *market* a space-station style amusement park only accessible by a *space elevator.* And considering the lengths he went to in design and infrastructure, it's not a joke or a ploy, this is legit. It's also a convenient way for him to colonize alien planets and literally exploit their local alien population for energy generation, but until then Sonic isn't even sure what he can call 'wrong'. Considering its *aliens* Eggman is exploiting in Colours, legally he wouldn't be touchable. Sonic is a full on vigilante to fix things in that game. In certain continuities, Eggman does in fact have "employees" of a sort. However, they're largely all portrayed as either A) researcher aides who support his creation of new innovations, or B) mercenary squad leaders and local governors who enforce his will on regions. Notably, that second group is all loaded up with technology and implants, so Eggman can explicitly remote detonate in case his only military contractors turn on him. And until then, said implants give them a leg up on their opponents, so it's a win-win. Finally, to address Knuckles and Tails not getting to have super forms, SEGA has been kind of... weird lately about super forms. General theory is after a few writers started getting _weird_ in the comics, including a roided-out magical Tails and Knuckles becoming a living Chaos Emerald (don't ask,) the company changed their tune about Super forms. Specifically, only *male* Hedgehogs are now allowed to use the Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super Forms. There's no reason why, just cutting down the number of people allowed to go super to Sonic, Shadow, and Silver from '06. ...And Blaze, but she's using a parallel dimension's Sol Emeralds to transform, so she doesn't count. It's weird even for us. Oh, and according to the comics, Sonic doesn't have a cousin... But Amy does. "Rob O' The Hedge," a Robin Hood archetype who lives in a Ye Olde style kingdom and talks with all the For Soothes you could ask for. Why? ...Fuck, I dunno man, at some point you just sit back and enjoy the ride. Knuckles has the right idea.
"I think he would also commit genocide on the forest animals from Sonic's homeland, just out of spite." That's literally Robotnik's entire character arc in Fleetway's Sonic the Comic. Go give it a read at some point, you'll be pleasantly surprised on how many of your questions would be answered in that alone. And that's just an AU of the franchise too!
I think a lot of people join in on the idea of Shadow being cool ironically, but it's one of those recursive things where it loops back around to being actually cool when he pulls off some shit like at the end of Episode Shadow in Sonic '06 where he takes off the rings on his arms like they're Master Roshi's weight trainers in DragonBall. Or maybe I'm just a Shadow apologist trying to justify my rationale of why I think Shadow is cool.
@@Lazypackmule Sega even has restrinctions in place to not allow anyone to write Shadow as anything but an edgelord. Not even the writters for the comics, who were forced to have him throw himself into a mob of robot-zombies and predictably get infected like a fucking idiot because he never runs aways or something.
30:30 "This is the largest gun I have seen since Quake 2" Oh my God that reference. Thank you so much for that. Made my day to see someone remember that.
Just want to point out, the PC or emulated versions of this game are about twice as buggy and have pretty fucked up physics. Not saying the original game is perfect but there's definitely more unfair deaths in this version (i.e. that scripted corkscrew that kept killing you).
@@nikfighter262 The ps2 version is also notorious for being worse. The gamecube and Xbox versions are the most stable versions while the ps2 has slower framerates, worse textures, and bad collision detection. The only thing thats worse in the pc version is the physics, sending you speeding through automated sections about twice as fast as in the normal versions.
Funny given that I had the least issues with the PC version. On my Gamecube copy did I never manged to make it past Lost Jungle as a broken Ring dash line cost me over 10 lives over 3 continues and I just gave up. I also had less issues with the Pinball tables, the Grind mechanics and the collision detection in general on my PC version compared to my GC version. I only had like 3 bigger issues during all of my play throws and all were saveable while almost all the problems I keep run at on Console were instead deaths (I only had one death do to bugs on the PC version so far and I completely finished that metal overlord and all)
54:51 I know this one ! If a character like Robotnik would do what he does in real life without breaking any rules (that's a big if, because he's breaking probably a lot of rules about monopoly establishments and accaparation of lands and natural ressources; possession of weapons of war, animal cruelty etc), the government of the countries he's exploiting would probably do things in that order : • Ask him to stop of his own volition , appeal to his sense of order (people dislike changes in general, and usually outrage is settled in a way that doesnt upset major actors - "just stop please" "okay I'm stopping, chill") • Make new laws extremely quickly and injonct him to stop and desist ("your ongoing operation is now illegal, cease or be tried) • Just try him for something unrelated, get sentenced to the absolute maximum and left to rot in a jail. Since his crimes are outrageous they would be left with no one to oppose the witch trial (see Schkreli's case). • After that, the question is can they catch him as they have an army ? Because the law is confined to where guns can apply it. If a robotnik can just line up an army in front of a government, he can just sit on his chair and insist on the legality of what he's doing, which would de facto make the government in a position where it has to recognize the legality of Robotnik's action and became a puppet, declare war or abdicate. Amazon is not above the law. Legislators can enforce their law and force amazon to bend. Amazon actually bends when asked to.But asking recquire efforts and involve risks and politicians do like neither.
Shadows problem is him never really moving on from having "I watched my best friend get shot infront of me" as his defiining characteristic even as he had some genuinen development at the end of Adventure 2.
In games where he's actually in character (SA2, Heroes, 06) Shadow is less edgy and more introverted with a hint of cockyness. His own game and everything else just flanderize him to be a edgy asswipe.
Except he did because it's nowhere to be seen in Sonic '06 onwards. It was only there in Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog, the two games centered all around his past.
Times have been tough, the Admiral is not doing so good. Things aren't starting to make sense, more later.
We're with you Admiral. You can do this!
We believe in you Admiral
Just make sure you spend time with your family.
Admiral, you cannot give up now.
Spiderbots together strong.
Your antidepressant charge is running low. Use it wisely.
Pilot here.
Casino: probably 2000 or so feet, depending on the height of those buildings. You look higher at night than you really are.
Forest: I would guess 5000 to 7000 feet, hard to say. If those trees down there are as tall as redwoods its 7000, otherwise normal trees for maybe 5000.
Canyon: 1000 or 2000. Looks higher because the nearby sides gives you parallax.
Fleet: Easily over 80000 feet. You need at least an SR71 blackbird to get that amount of curvature on the horizon, and even then thats unlikely. Ask Felix Baumgartner (free fall height record) and he might know better.
Source: I am a pilot. I fly cargo too, so you can trust me more than airline guys. We dont have autopilot so we are allowed to look outside more.
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What do you mean allowed to look outside more? Are airline pilots required to fly by instruments more?
Great, I still have absolutely no idea how high that is, because I don't know how big your feet are! :-P
@@hetzelbd twas a joke. Passenger aircraft tend to have better navigation and automation systems than cargo, and I am 100% bitter about that fact
@@lordofthingz What jet(s) have you flown sir? Just curious :)
26:45 is my favorite quote of the video
"Sonic has no money, so the only thing he has to gamble with is his life, and the lives of his friends."
"Sir, we don't accept whatever fake gold these rings are made of. Also do you have ID?"
*Damage sound*
I mean, he usually does have money, but if he stubs his toe he loses all of it.
Jotaro?!?!?! How can you gamble the life of your mother TO POCKER?!?!
Craziest thing about Big the Cat is that he shares a voice actor with Duke Nukem.
"That eggheaded bastard's gonna pay for stealin' my frog."
even better there is a mod for PC SADX that replaces his voice with Duke Nukem's. best way to play Big's story
And the OpFor marines
And Rosenberg
Damn. I could hear every word of that in the Duke's voice
"I came here to marry you with Amy and chew bubblegum"
Damn, writing him that way could’ve saved his character.
Wow this Sonic guy seems pretty cool.
This is going to be a long one
Yeah unlike some other sonic guy we all know!
I wish Sonic would disappear for years
I just found your channel and now i see you here lol
I just finished watching all your vids and then this came out
Member of the cult of Sonic here. Amy's deal is basically she's the infatuated fangirl, and Sonic isn't really interested mostly because he's not the type of guy that likes being tied down. Nothing really explains why Neo Metal Sonic has liquid powers, he just does. There's some fan conjecture going around that it's somehow related to Chaos from the first Adventure, but nothing is officially explained. I can't explain Tails except that he's a mutant freak. Eggman has often stated his dream is to build "Eggmanland", some kind of theme park paradise of his design. It seemed to start small, as in Adventure he was only going to level Station Square and build on top of it, but by Unleashed he seems to have ambitions to turn the entire world into "Eggmanland". And, no, as far as I'm aware, chaos juice doesn't turn Knuckles into a vampire.
One note about Sonic Heroes, the PC version is supposedly based on a pre-release build of the game, which means it features technical issues the other versions don't have, and those aren't technical masterpieces, either. Gamecube and Xbox are probably the best versions to play, and you just want to avoid the ps2 version. Sonic games were notoriously worse on ps2 than any other console.
Also, I loved your analysis of that first cutscene. These characters really don't seem to have any sense of danger. And don't worry. We have ways of punishing those that don't belong to the cult for their sacrilege.
you touch our glorious one free man and the cult of ross is gonna be at war with you guys. we'll lose, but we'll make some *damn bold accusations* like...metal sonic being secretly sonics dad. as shown in the hit tv show sonic underground.
@@alexandrehenrique7203 It's a war you do not want to start. We have WMDs of such accursed power they make Cthulhu blush. Titan Tails is only the tip of the iceberg.
Also, your "bold accusation" is hilariously not far off the mark for Archie Sonic. His dad got turned into a robot and couldn't be turned back.
To be fair i dont think in all games he wishes to enact a themepark, that wasn't really a thing until colors, which was his alibi to enslave planets. just happens to go by the same name he wants to make his nationstate.
@@sighrelief His start of Eggmanland in Unleashed was very much a death themepark of ridiculous size.
I'd assume Eggman has decided that since he's going to have to defeat the whole damn world to build his park, he might as well take over the whole world.
There is no such thing as Gamer Dementia, Gordon, you're just being paranoid.
Rise and shine, mr. Freeman...
...*rise and shine*
Gordon doesn't need to hear all of this, he's a highly trained professional.
“I don’t think this is gamer dementia, I think this is regular old FASHIONED dementia” -Gordon Freeman
@@hkr667 "AGGHHHHHH GET THE FUCK BACK YOUR BREATH SMELLS LIKE PAINT!"
Look Gordon, Ropes!
I just realized: Eggman had to gather the resources and tools to build his robots, as well as program them. He probably had to start with simple stuff to make the process of building more robots go along quicker, effectively multiplying his production for every robot built until he could reliably set up an assembly line. But before that, he had to get even more resources to build those robots, so he had to build robots to get those resources to build more robots to build his robots, on top of programming said resource gatherers who had to get metals, plastics, parts, oils, and more. And he would need security too, so he would have had to build the gatherers, workers, and keep them safe with probably mercenary forces until he could build up enough security robots. But wait, he would have to supply THOSE robots too, with armaments and armor and spare parts to make repairs, which means building and programming more robots to build and assemble more robots, munitions, and spare parts. So, after he hits critical mass, he has enough robots to do all the menial tasks and get the bare bones needed for his production line... but he still needs infrastructure like facilities, which for short term he could just rent space and outsource the work until, once again, he gathers the materials, builds and programs the workers, who then gather construction supplies and materials to build his own facilities which will speed up production on all fronts, as well as storage, and then he can start building bigger and bigger robots to handle mass transportation, railways, shipping across sky and sea, as well as enough security to protect all of that...
Bottom line: Dr. Ivo Robotnik is a Factorio player.
So *this* is why Robotnik bounces back so quickly after Sonic puts Eggman in his place...
Wait, his first name is Ivo?
@@thehoodedteddy1335 Dr. Ivo Robotnik.
@@jessegd6306 I read that, I'm just phrasing it as a question there to point out the fact that your comment is the first time I heard his first name.
And Dr. Wily invented Factorio.
This is not a game I would have expected for Game Dungeon or to have gotten an hour long video. Let's go.
When Freema-I mean Ross doesn't take his daily dose of oxycodone, his big brain energy gets to be too much for his body and he's gotta go super fast, like Sanic.
I thought this was going to be an obscure dos game. So when he started to talk about sonic I had to check it from the video.
I actually avoided this video for the longest time, just because it didn’t seem like a Game Dungeon pick. That said, Ross theorizing stuff like how Eggman could probably legally take over the world by using his robots to outcapitalism everyone else is exactly what I’d want from him looking at games outside his wheelhouse.
And the Gamer Dementia thing. Besides starting that for when other games would gaslight him, yeah, that’s kind of a problem in Heroes. Say what you will about how glitchy 06 is, but it actually didn’t pull this crap. Some of its own crap, sure, but none of THIS.
*Q1:*
You're not crazy for thinking Amy looked like a "little girl" when she appeared in 'Sonic CD'; Sonic is (supposed to be) about 15, and she's listed as 8 in that game's manual.
Amy's hobby is (was?) fortune-telling, and based solely on those fortunes, she believes Sonic is destined to marry her.
When they changed her design for 'Sonic Adventure', they aged Amy up to 12, so the rest of your guesses were pretty accurate.
*Q2:*
Cast your mind back to that Team Rose intro cinematic. Chocola and Froggy went missing, and Sonic was the suspected culprit.
Turns out, it was really Metal Sonic, and he did it to absorb the 'Chaos' DNA that both characters happen to be carrying. (something something 'Sonic Adventure')
However, the power-up that Metal gains (especially the liquid-metal shapeshifting) makes him go a wee bit power-mad.
He overthrows Robotnik, pretends to _be_ Robotnik, and then lures in all the heroes so he can copy all of _their_ abilities too.
So, yeah, Robotnik isn't in a hurry to let this happen again. Less grey goo, more folding time and space upon itself.
*Q3:*
It's one of those "We just don't know" questions, like "Does Sonic have separate eyes with a white area in-between, or an unfathomable uni-eye?".
*Q4&5:*
Robotnik has an IQ of 300, but a childish sense of fair play. He does things the way he does because it's more fun that way.
Without the 'fun' of trying to thwart Sonic, Robotnik would _probably_ become destructively nihilistic; his alternate reality / continuity counterparts certainly are.
*Q6:*
Up until 'Sonic Mania' rolled around, all of the classic Super forms besides Sonic's were retconned out of existence.
Putting a weird gold bubble around Tails and Knuckles in this game was their way of side-stepping the issue.
Also, the PC version? It's an earlier build than the console versions, so it's jankier in places.
And yes, 3D Sonic games have God-tier OSTs, but 'Sonic Heroes' is easily the King among Gods.
I'd still say Sonic '06 has Heroes beat in the jams department, but to each their own.
Also, Smudcast gang represent
Question about the last bit. What about Sonic '06?
thank you sonic expert.
so . . . what's up with the the tails' tails?
its a mechanical buttplug isn't it?
ye know darth vader? what do his chest buttons do?
In regards to 4 and 5, some depictions of Eggman such as the recent IDW comics says he wouldn't go SamJack Season 5 Aku.
Sonic is just a stopgap from INTERGALACTIC CONQUEST.
Adventure 2, Unleashed, and Colors all state that his technology is space-worthy! He really can just conquer somewhere else were it not for his extreme hatred of that blue hedgehog. And its kinda scary to think that Sonic is powerful enough to stop the one man empire on a constant basis.
He’s not smart but he’s huge and he follows orders.
Ross got Bigs character down instantly.
Sonic Fan here: For anyone wondering, Metal Sonic went nutty in this game and betrays Eggman as a result of losing to Sonic in past games. He thinks himself as both the original Sonic and the duplicate. Wanting to prove he's better, Metal somehow upgrades himself into the T-1000 / Neo Metal Sonic and locks Eggman up, impersonating him throughout the game. Eggman contacts Team Chaotix and anonymously hires them to go rescue him. Metal sends the message to Sonic in order to lure him in.
Using his new T-1000 powers, Metal Sonic copies the biodata of every team. He also steals Big's frog and copies its data because Froggy ate the tail of a destroyer god back in Sonic Adventure. And since the destroyer god in question was a mutated Chao, Metal disguises himself as Sonic using shapeshifting and steals Chocola, a chao belonging to Cream. This is what gets Team Rose in on the plot.
After all the plots happen, Metal Sonic confronts everyone and transforms into a clusterfuck of a dragon. Sonic goes Super Saiyan, Metal loses, day is saved.
The reason Eggman doesn't deploy Metal Sonic as Neo Metal Sonic again in the games is implied to be because Neo Metal Sonic is a form that's inherently too out of control. It's explicitly stated in supplementary material that Eggman installs a restraining bolt on Metal Sonic following Heroes. The IDW comics on the other hand does bring Neo Metal Sonic back, explaining that during Sonic Forces, Eggman was working on upgrading Metal to re-upgrade him but with the loyalty intact this time. But this is all out-of-game stuff, so who knows for sure.
Sonic lore is wack.
I never read more than the first issue of IDW Sonic, but I read good things about it, and the Neo inclusion makes me happy just for it existing. Personally, I think Neo had untapped potential, and while the restraining bolt seems to put a damper on it, I see it as something to keep in mind for a potential return.
What I’d like to see-maybe not from official Sonic material (though that would be cool), but from IDW or in a fan work-is an encounter with Metal causing damage to the bolt and freeing him to become Neo again. And from there, we could explore what his rampancy is, showing how the nature of his creation as an intended equal to Sonic conflict with attempts to find his own identity. Trying to break off from Eggman and be his own person, but the Sonic rivalry/impersonation is too deeply coded and he breaks down. Neo Metal Sonic could be such an interesting character if allowed to surface again; as is, the closest I’ve seen was Repliku in CoM, specifically around his last fight.
Also would be nice to fight the actual Neo form someday. I don’t fault Heroes for jumping straight to Metal Madness, that was kinda awesome actually, but I do still want to fight the T-1000 robo wizard.
Thank you.
Sonic Heroes' lore in the Sonic canon is like Dragon Ball GT to DBZ in a way I am not able to elucidate, but I'm sure that makes sense to at least 12 of the 17 people who will see this comment.
Notes from a member of the Sonic cult:
1. I recommend the Sonic Rush games if you want as little stop-and-go gameplay as possible. Dunno how you feel about DS emulation though.
2. It's not really your fault, but the number one reason for homing attack failure is not waiting long enough between A-presses.
3. Sonic is 15, Amy's 12. He's never shown much genuine attraction for anyone in the games, I think he's possibly asexual. In the comics he goes out with Sally, Mina and Fiona at various points, but *never* Amy. In the most recent cartoon they've got some mutual attraction, but Amy in that show is much more reserved, she never obsesses over him like in other media.
4. You're not wrong about the high-up controls. They're _especially_ terrible in this game. Barring the last level, to this day, I think Sonic CD might be the only Sonic game with no pits to fall in.
5. Do not feel any responsibility for the pinball controls, they are absolute fucking nonsense. The best advice I can give is "hold forward".
6. I literally did not realize this until last week when I played the game, but you're not actually supposed to mash the button on rails, you hold it down and use the stick to balance. It's deceptive, since in Adventure 2, you don't jump when you speed up, and in SHADOW, which is built off Heroes' engine, you DO mash the button.
7. There IS an AI-upscaled texture mod for this game, it's on Gamebanana, along with the mod loader you use to run it.
8. The checkpoints in this game aren't designed like the starposts and gates in just about every other Sonic game, that might be part of you ignoring them. Also, the game can be really stingy with them, even without your help.
9. This is the first and last game that Metal Sonic can magically turn liquid. Weirdly, both this game and Sonic Battle, which came out on the same day, have alternate storylines surrounding Shadow's amnesia and a robot that copies everyone else's powers.
10. The Tails rant is funny, because even creators on the series have no idea how it works. Tyson Hesse (redesigned movie Sonic, writes and draws for the comics) drew a parody comic a few years back called "Hedgehog the Sonic" where Tails attempts to fly with his arms and breaks all his bones.
11. The Shadow bit is so on-point, even modern material (mostly the comics and TV shows) uses it for comedic effect. Shadow is obsessed with the edge aesthetic to an actual fault. It literally almost gets everyone killed in the most recent arc.
12. The #1 fan of Knuckles is Ken Penders, the psychotic former comic writer who was so obsessed with adding echidna lore and characters, including "Enerjax" (actually Enerjak, with a K) that he sued Bioware over Sonic Chronicles for doing it themselves, then when SEGA and Archie counter-sued him, he managed to make it out of the whole ordeal with nearly every major Knuckles relative from the comics, which he's trying to make into a NEW comic book called The Lara-su Chronicles, which has some of the most disturbed and terrifying Sonic character art I've ever seen.
13. If you build up some speed, you can make that Mystic Mansion wall jump with Tails.
14. Eggman is the best character. He is consistently the most fun in terms of writing or acting.
15. Chaotix is a fever dream of a game. It's also really boring once you get past the art and sound.
16. I think Eggman is probably a defense contractor. In Sonic Battle, he sells E-series robots to companies looking for guards, the military robots in Adventure 2 and Rush are basically identical to his, just with less personality. That said, the Robotnik robots without animals are typically weaker than specialized badniks. Sonic Lost World has the animals again, and enemies are way harder to beat in that game.
17. Eggman's actual literal goal is transforming the world into a robotic amusement park where every citizen is constantly terrorized and possibly seriously injured. He almost accomplishes this in Sonic Unleashed, but that only happened because he broke the Earth into pieces.
18. The lack of a drop shadow is one of the biggest problems in both this game and Unleashed. It's not your fault.
19. Team Sonic's playthrough is hard, but if you've ever tried Team Dark, you will know how miserable a game this can be.
20. I did get the actual end to this game legitimately. It sucks.
21. While not a vampire, Ken Penders did write Knuckles as a stand-in for Jesus Christ at many points. He actually had so many magic powers and heroic prophecies bestowed upon him that current writer Ian Flynn dubbed Penders Knuckles "The Hot Pocket of Destiny".
22. This game DOES have crippling issues. It's programmed badly. The physics and collision are just very poor. Even at their worst, most other Sonic games function better than this one. 06 and Secret Rings probably don't, but even Sonic Boom doesn't kill you for no reason.
Cult member here, was about to answer all the questions too but this is spot on
Thanks sonic cult
WAIT A HOT FUKKEN SECOND
The guy who made Boxer Hockey did the sonic redesign? Christ it's weird to make a connection like that.
I appreciate the write-up.
Oh man I forgot about Ken penders
"Like lenny from mice and men"
Yeah, something tells me Big has gone through a few Froggy's after petting a little too hard...
@Griffez Never thought of big like that until today...now I just feel bad for the guy 8(
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds.
Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved.
John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
@@charlie4christ536 Why? why are quoting the bible here, on this channle? thats just...odd.
@@michaelvanhouten4498
have you never seen the infographic, "Sonic was once lost but now he's found in Jesus Christ"?
@@ChibiKami No. but I think I can guess what it is now...it's a meme!
"How do Tails' tails work?"
You're asking some dangerous questions, Ross.
Multi-tailed foxes are a thing from Japanese mythology, which puts Tails roughly in the same category as those Bible-accurate Angels and other Lovecraftian horrors.
@@an2qzavok
I know about yokai and kitsune, friend.
I'm just adding some playful jive to the comments.
I started sweating bullets when he asked that.
I went: “Ross... please don’t do this......”
Tails is actually the world's largest bacterium. Those aren't tails, those are flagella.
@@an2qzavok "Japanese mythology" is f* weird. There is a hell, and another hell, and another hell, and all the deities are evil and we have demons, and all of them live in the hell.
Sonic Heroes is the pinnacle of gaslighting. The sheer amount of times where it makes you believe it's your fault you died is crazy, especially when some things just don't work every time like they're meant to.
If I had a nickel for every time a grind failed to happen, or I clipped off of a ledge, got Camera Screwed by sudden control changes, my Homing Attack just.... doesn't, and Floor Is Butter physics yeeting me off the level at a whim, I could skip the unemployment process and retire.
For as broken as it is, Sonic 06 doesn’t do THIS to you.
Sometimes it IS your fault but only because the game, despite having tutorials up the wazoo, doesn't explain its mechanics properly. Failed light dash? You were supposed to wait for the b button to flash on screen, under the team selection ui. Rail jumps hurtle you into oblivion? You're supposed hold left or right, then press jump, or else the game system will get confused and slingshot you. Homing attacks are legitimately hard to manage sometimes, requiring such precise input with no feedback if you're doing it right, until it's too late.
@isenokami7810
I'm sorry but have you played 06 ?
"Lost and confused while being exposed to images of Sonic being burned alive over and over again" seems like a pretty accurate description of the experience of being a Sonic fan for the past 25 years.
"Lost and Confused" would also be a great band name, but it's apparently taken.
@@AbandonedVoid "Confused and Lost"
@@AbandonedVoid The bewildered and forgotten
I think they should just give the license to FromSoft and we'll finally have a memorable Sonic game again.
As somebody who isn't a Sonic fan, but appreciates the classic 2D games, this is my expression looking at the series from the outside.
51:46 is just Ross creating the freedom fighters storyline without realising it. Like all the points he brought up are in the comics in addition to Eggman kidnaping and turning people into robots. Basically there was no legal way to stop him and Sonic became a revolutionary freedom fighter.
Robotnic's end goal is basically to turn everyone and everything into machines. He'll pollute the entire planet to the point no life can be sustained but it'll be fine since he'll have "fixed" everyone's "problem" of needing clean air or water in the first place. This also involves taking the need for sleep as well as freewill away from everyone, leaving himself as the last being of freewill on the planet.
"The last who feels the pain from the wound
The last to be birthed from the flesh of a womb
A wretched life in this altered place
There must be more I can embrace"
Sorry, I had to.
so he's a jolly cartoonish version of Karras
@@CassandraFortuna a THIEF FAN!? YASSS, don't see too many out in the open
Eggman's very much a believer in the old addage, _"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."_ and the Roboticizer is his eye-gouging machine.
Yeah, the Archie series was one hell of a can of worms when it came to continuity, canonicity, and just plain old bad writing. Didn't help Ken Penders tried to do some really weird shit (like having sonic get cucked) before he got the boot, sued Archie, and took a bunch of characters with him. He took so many they had to restart the series with a timeline changing mcguffin (sucked too, really wanted to see the mecha-sally arch finish) to start the cannon over. Eventually Sega had enough an pulled the rights from Archie.
1. It's not just you, this game is notoriously buggy.
2. I think Tails actually *was* voiced by an actual 5-8 year old in this game.
3. Canonically, Sonic is 15 and Amy is 12.
4. Depending on who you ask (and how any given game is written) Amy is either hopelessly devoted to Sonic despite him not being interested in relationships at all; an annoying obnoxious fangirl turned psycho stalker who's gonna end up killing Sonic after he rejects her one too many times; or fangirl with a crush that's turned into a genuine affection and is actually maturing as time goes on. (The writers seems to try for the 3rd, but she often feels like the 2nd....to me anyway.)
5. The liquid metal thing was only in this game, never before and never again.
6. Tails' tails.....well you see [shoves sandwich in mouth and talks through it]...and that's how that works.
7. The real problem with Shadow is that one of the producers has flat-out *mandated* that Shadow be written to be an edgelord, and literally everyone hates it. He *had* character progression, and ironically this game was the high point. After this they even retconned Team Dark out of existence, because Shadow "doesn't have friends".
8. Your point about Robotnik is the same case that can be made for pretty much every supervillain: that they could easily make more money or gain more power the easy and legal way.
9. His "endgame" is to build a theme park. "Eggmanland". Some that was all he wanted to do from the start and that it's kind of Sonic's fault that he's escalated so much...that if Sonic hadn't stopped him Sonic 1 that he'd've built his theme park and that would've been that, but now the only thing Robotnik really cares about is getting his revenge and killing Sonic.
9. It's the one constant in Sonic games, even if the game's mediocre the *soundtrack* is *amazing*
10. Hyper Sonic according to SEGA is non-canon, so Super Tails and Hyper Knux are probably retconned too. So, as far as any of us know, no. The Emeralds don't turn him into a vampire. Also the Werehog was from Sonic Unleashed. Two words about Unleashed that you'll understand when/if you play it: "Battle Jazz".
Yeah, I feel like the tails thing ends quite poorly if you think about it too much, I see it as magic chaos energy shenanigans that allow his muscles to pass through each other, and keeps him from simply spinning out of control cause of poor stability.
His tail works like this
*train passes*
...and that's why he can fly.
You forgotten about team dark was also in sonic 06. And it continued shadows and gangs relationship as a team. It surprisingly made it better. Then unfortunately went backwards until what he is today, an edgy side character whos one toned and is used for fan service. Tragic..
@@ghostofdoom1941 True, I did overlook that Team Dark was pretty well done in '06. (Mostly because that game was an unfinished disaster, made more tragic by the fact that it had real potential to be amazing if it hadn't been rushed out to meet an arbitrary deadline.)
Even though their story (like the rest of the game) was riddled with holes from where things got cut/changed at the last second...
I can't even blame the writers, because I get the impression *they* want to be able to do more and better things with the characters too, but the producers, or at least one particular producer, has forbidden it and he unfortunately has enough power to enforce it...
I assume Tails is a shape-shifting kitsune
Tell me about the froggy, George
Man when Big accidently killed Rouge was one hell of a scene in that book. Steinbeck really loved sonic
I don't want no damn Froggy george, you can have it, i don't even want none george.
"This must be about some obscure game that happens to share the name, he wouldn't make a video about 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 Sonic Heroes"
I appreciate Ross for actually taking the time to own up and admit that some of the pain he went through was due to his own misunderstanding of some of the game mechanics, there are so many people that will just call everything the game’s fault that hearing someone admit that it was their own fault is more refreshing than it should be
Other half was just the PC port's horrible unrefined state, which I can wholeheartedly attest to since sections of Grand Metropolis would move at triple speed or not send you far enough.
*coughcough* GAME GRUMPS *coughcough*
Let's be honest, most of Arin's flubs were because he was pressing buttons when he shouldn't have.
Speaking of which, aren't those laser beams color coded? So that Sonic is hurt only by the blue beam, Knuckles by red/pink beam and Tails by the yellow one?
@@adenowirus is that it?? I NEVER would have guessed.
@@adenowirus If that's true, it seems like something which the game fails to properly convey to the player.
Amy's childish borderline-psycho fixation on an older Hedgehog?
Dr Eggman's potential to legally and diplomatically control the world through minimum labour costs?
The theory of Tail's robotic ass?
For a casual Sonic fan, Ross could come up with some REALLY interesting fanfiction for the fandom.
Two of three of those things are canon, I'll let you figure out which.
@@CrazyRiverOtter Surely,Tail's robotic ass Is one of them!
The way Amy obesses over sonic when he puts it like that makes me sad because that's the behavior of a groomed child. it's how I acted during my teenager years after getting groomed by a 30 year old when I was 9 over habbo hotel.
ThePandaHatChick yeah but Amy is only 3 years younger than Sonic it really isn’t that big of an age gap as some people want to be... some people in real life get together with a 6-10 year age gap and depending on the age of both it is entirely acceptable
@@TenshiPrime sorry you had to endure that. luckily i don't think there is the possibility of grooming with sonic, sonic is trying to have nothing to do with her and trying to get away, the opposite of trying to build a framework of a relationship.
Accursed Farms: "So, I'm going to have some questions for you TRUE Sonic fans by the end of this."
True Sonic fans: "Don't hold your breath. We are just as bewildered by Sonic Heroes as you are."
Basically Sonic Team accounts for 15% of all drug traffick in Japan.
The only questions I have is for the American lolcalization team who decided it would be a good idea to make up ages for them in the manual. It was nothing but fuel for flame wars, left and right.
I used to own this game, and have beaten Sonic Adventure several times.
we are all down bad even for being here.
Just FYI, Big the Cat is voiced by John St. John in some games. In a recent interview for the Realms Deep event by 3D Realms he mentioned that he basically did the most stupid voice he could without any preparation - which apparently was exactly what the studio wanted.
Not the most dignified voice direction
he also diliberetly forgot how to do the voice i read. he hated it that much. not the character, but specifically the voice.
Just think, in an alternate timeline we had fat, furry, fishing-obsessed Duke Nukem on a quest to get his pet frog back.
“I’m here to kick ass and catch fish, and I’m all outta bait.”
I love the description of calling Big the Cat an enforcer. I'd love to see a mafia spin-off of Sonic where innocent Big has to go through terrible things to get his frog or whatever, but he doesn't know what he's doing. So he's just incredibly cruel in the most oblivious way possible
I don't know why but I can't get Big the Cat in Little China out of my head now.
You may want to look into the later Fleetway Sonic comics. Big's Froggy equivalent is _Chaos_, and it only gets crazier from there. What happens when Big gets a bounty on his head? Read and find out.
@@RougeMephilesClone Ah yes somebody else remembers the Fleetway comics. Where Super Sonic was less a super mode and more a psychotic and uber powerful alternate personality (seriously almost every time Fleetway Sonic went Super he would try and kill EVERYTHING in sight of him).
Sonic and his allies lived in fear of that happening, because after a while it didn't need the Emeralds anymore, he just had to get mad/frustrated enough like the Hulk.
Plus it went with the Kintobor origin story for Robotnik, where he was once a good man, but a failed attempt to cleanse evil from the land, ended with him instead absorbing it into himself.
Mafia x Sonic x Of Mice and Men
So like a Sonic version of Goodfellas? Although I could totally see Sonic getting hooked on Chaos Emeralds and having to go into Witness Protection.
"See, Sonic has no money, so all he has to gamble with is his life." That's not a sentence I was expecting to hear this morning.
Also, nice Omelas reference!
ZAWA ZAWA ZAWA.
//Woah, Kaiji Ultimate Survivor?
The moment it hits you that Amy recruited two toddlers and an adult with the mental capacity of one as her team is actually really telling. Ross, you amazing person you.
big was a toddler?
@@latviandragon2718 I guess Cheese is...
I mean, Amy is supposed to be somewhere between 8 and 12 so it tracks 😂😂
@@latviandragon2718 Cream and Cheese
@wildfirefox1 Yeah, I remember it was canon that Amy was 12 and Sonic was 16. If Sonic did date her, he'd be canceled on the internet these days afterward.
"If you like Sonic, and abuse..."
Still haven't figured out the Sonic cult, Ross?
For anyone who hasn't seen it, look up Sonic Heroes - Opening (In Production)
It's basically the intro but the song writers were still writing the lyrics as the song was being made, so the lyrics are literally just jumbled up words.
It's the best thing ever.
Seen it, seconded.
Wow, I've never heard any demo like it. Thanks!
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33:19 I think the most impressive part about missing that checkpoint three times was Ross kept stopping/slowing down right next to it, then carefully maneuvering around it.
That's why Ross is one of the best. Sometimes he plays like crap, but at least he capable of being honest about it.
I love how I started watching a video about how Sonic Heroes is a nice game with cool visuals and good music only to end up wondering about the social implications of a single man owning an entirely automated empire
The implications are pretty scary, if you ask me.
Ten months late, but Factorio is a good way to discover what that's like.
There's a dreaded question with every dictatorship with an all-powerful leader: What happens when the leader dies?
@@LutraLovegood in robotnik's case the comics and loose in universe lore imply he's made himself a robot over time
@@sorrenblitz805 His companion bots (Scratch and Grinder/Bocoe and Decoe/Orbot and Cubot) can take over too, I guess.
The key to Tails is the fact that has multiple tails- in Japanese mythology, creatures with multiple tails are special, and they gain additional servings of Magical Bullshit Powers with each additional tail they grow. so it's roughly like if you saw a character in a pointy hat and a broomstick, and then she gets on the broomstick and flies away- it doesn't literally make sense, but it draws on a cultural reference point that would at least somewhat make sense in context.
tl;dr- magical bullshit powers.
That's a great analogy!
Need a "haunted controls" awards.
I played this on my Gamecube when I was 7 years old. I DID NOT imagine a game like this ever being on Ross's Game Dungeon. I have no idea what to expect. This is gonna be emotional
Same with the PS2!!!! I'm hyped
It definitely was emotional.
it's the first time he's playing something I've played, or even heard of before.
@@alfonzo_ same. I have a wierd mix of nostalgia and deeply rooted frustration
Remember Bip Bop? That was certainly unexpected.
If you don't remember, check the comments under that video.
"Officials can turn down only so many suitcases full of money"
Yah, that is pretty much how most corporations see government bodies when dealing with them.
If officials turn down *all* of the money...
Well, the assassins certainly won't...
And in the US, you need that money to be re-elected anyway.
I mean why not? The public thinks governments are the gatekeepers of every vital resource in the nation.
With that kind of power, it would be silly not to buy it.
@@roadent217 Reminds me of the Maltan reporter tjat put up a great fight but got killed with a car bomb.
Not just corporations. That's how Israel handles US politicians as well.
As a man who works on a tech support phone desk, "It just worked and now it doesn't!" is literally a thing I hear every day and that joke made me laugh like a madman.
Sonic Heroes' grade isn't based on keys, rings, how many times you died, or any of that. The only thing that matters is how fast you completed the level. The larger that number on the timer, the lower the grade. By taking your time, enjoying the scenery, and trying your best not to die, you were basically ensuring that you consistently got the lowest grade period.
That's how the games have always been even in the classics iirc, time is the most important thing to the score by far
How fast you complete the level _in one take._
@@nicholastosoni707 Sorry, I forgot to mention that, and in fact counter-intuit that by saying that lives don't matter. You're right, though, fastest in one take.
@@hrothgardevaitos8330 How many times have I said "AAAAAARGH I HAVE TO DO THIS ON ONE BLOODY TAKE"
@@borederlands5387 Adventure 2 was its own mess but the mix of time bonuses and score attack mechanics its ranking system had worked really well, shame whichever poor bastard draws the short straw and has to make another Sonic has their own ideas on how the score should work
A lot of Ross's issues with the "gamer dementia" reminds me of the climbing puzzles in Assassin's Creed games where you've climbed perfectly for the past hour only to jump the opposite direction and it costs you tons of time.
39:33 Game tech artist/developer here.
About the dust/smoke/steam being brighter than the sun: this is a rendering optimization trade-off.
Rendering transparency, especially with multiple layers can choke the GPU on fill rate pretty quick. There's just too many math operations to do for these pixels on the screen. Additive transparency is cheaper than alpha blending, because you don't have to care about dimming the background before drawing a new layer on top so it's less math to do for each pixel on screen.
It works great for fire, plasma, magic and sparks, etc but unfortunately smoke becomes too bright. Still - doing alpha blending is much more expansive, especially if you have multiple smoke particles overlapping.
With static level geometry it's much easier to control how many layers of transparency can be rendered at any given moment so level designers can make sure it's not going to go over the frame budget. With particle effects, especially ones like smoke where each particle can take quite a lot pixels on screen this can result in nasty frame rate drops if the camera flies into a cloud of smoke.
You can see the same thing in NFS:MW when doing a donut - the burnout smoke is insanely bright when getting too dense.
"What's the deal with Amy?"
Answer: Bad writing.
an imbecile's idea of writing child-friendly characters
Some idiot's idea of a cute character trait when in reality it's a living nightmare.
@@JustSkram Japan's idea of a cute character. Remember Navi from Ocarina of time?
The Rotom Dex in Pokemon Sun and Moon?
It might be down to different scripts in the mother tongue of the series, but the Japanese tend to find characters like that endearing and cute.
and considering most of the main cast of Sonic's friends and rivals are 15 or younger... with Rouge being the oldest at 18.
Hay, Amy herself is friggin' 12, Sonic is 15. She's a pre-teen with a crush on an older kid.
When I was 5 I always thought it's supposed to make her look insane and that she was supposed to be obsessive and I thought it's fine. But I was a weird kid and I listened to Slayer when I was 5, so don't judge me!!!!
@@FizzieWebb navi is cute
"If you like Sonic and abuse"
You just described modern Sonic fans
Sonic fans are like Microsoft fans, they are loyal but they are the first to complain and hate it
@@eng3d I think that goes for star wars fans as well. As well as fans of paradox games.
Honestly, I think you aren't a true fan unless you hate everything about it.
There almost synonyms.
@Stix N' Stones if halo is on there, why wouldn't DOOM?
'Boy, Amy sure doesn't give up that easy.'
- 'Well she sure hit the ground easy.'
It's okay, these games never had fall damage...
Lol
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 Never had fall damage!? LIVES WERE LOST! EXTRA LIVES!
"I feel like an abused animal that doesn't understand what it did wrong".
I'll be taking that analogy now, thank you very much.
Ross's take on Amy and Sonic's relationship is surprisingly spot on.
No it isn't lol
@@urmomisurdad5422 I dunno man, I'm surprised he managed to get their ages (and therefore, the basic dynamic of their relationship) pretty much correct, most people I've seen who aren't part of the Sonic Cabal just assume they're around the same age; if they even think about the ages of Sonic characters at all.
Though IIRC, Amy's still a preteen after Adventure I think? I might be wrong.
@@LonelySpaceDetective Sonic was still like 10-15 around heroes so the age gap wasn't that dramatic. Sonic was just the "boy who doesn't reciprocate love" trope you see in media when the characters are kids, there isn't really anything to it.
@@urmomisurdad5422 poopoo peepee
@@buck_swope woowoo weewee
"If you like Sonic, and abuse, then I have to call this a must-play."
This was the most well-deserved sarcastic review of a game I've ever seen.
Actually I wasn't being sarcastic for that part.
@@Accursed_Farms I meant the whole review in general, sorry that wasn't clear.
Lmao when the game grumps finished it they said literally exactly the same thing
@@Accursed_Farms Thank you, Ross. I've felt like I'm in crazy town with everyone calling this one of the worst Sonic games, when it's at least the best 3D one.
The weird thing is that I'm pretty sure Ross just isn't a sarcastic person.
Ross subconsciously avoiding checkpoints reminds me a lot on how many video game streamers always seem to overlook stuff when they play and then act surprised or annoyed that they were supposed to know the thing they've been ignoring.
I love it how every time he hears "just enought to pass" his response is LESS AGGRESSIVE, as if the game is slowly breaking his spirit.
Gonna give a shot at the Sonic Lore Master Questions:
1. Most manuals tend to refer to Sonic as 15 and Amy as 12, so your assessment is fairly correct. In recent years the writers have toned down her crush on Sonic a lot, but it still shows up from time to time. Between the Genesis games and the 3D games, there's a bit of a time skip where the whole cast seems to get a little older, and Amy seems to have changed the most, going from a young girl to more like a young teen. Whether Sonic is interested in her, or women in general really, varies a bit between the various pieces of Sonic media. Keep in mind that the Sonic series has had a LOT of different writers between the games, the comics, the TV shows, etc. so it can get really dicey as to what's canon or not. The American media like SATAM and the Archie Sonic comics seem to like the idea of Sonic having a love interest more than most of the Japanese media, where he's depicted as a free spirit who doesn't want to get tied down in a relationship.
2. I'm not 100% on this, but I think the explanation for Metal Sonic being able to transform like that is because he copied the DNA of Chaos, the water monster from Sonic Adventure. Somehow Robotnik must have gotten a sample of Chaos before he ascended to heaven at the end of that game. Actually, in Sonic Adventure 2, one of the enemy types is a series of man-made replicas of Chaos which were created 50 years before the events of the game by Robotnik's grandfather while he was on board a space colony. So maybe Robotnik just used some samples from those guys to build a new Metal Sonic.
3. No one knows. There's a common fan theory that his tails are connected to a ball joint, like your shoulder, but it's easier to just chalk it up to someone at SEGA (Yashushi Yamaguchi in this case, a.k.a. "Judy Toyota") just thinking it would make for a cool visual and not thinking too far past that. This is a very common design philosophy in the Sonic series. For example, in Sonic Unleashed, Robotnik fires a giant laser into the earth and splits it into seven chunks, but most people and societies are doing just fine aside from being mildly worried about purple demon monsters possessing random people.
4. Kind of getting a little off track from the direct portion of the question, but I love Eggman/Robotnik as a character so this is my excuse to talk about him. It's been shown that Robotnik does have robot underlings that manage the bottom-tier robots. Not to mention that in one of the racing game spinoffs (Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity) he's shown to have a stranglehold on the hoverboard industry. As to why Robotnik doesn't take over the world legitimately, I think it's part of a wonderful and underappreciated aspect of his character. The core conceit of Eggman is that he has the greatest mind and intellect in the world, but the personality of a spoiled child. He causes massive amounts of property damage, makes death machines shaped like cartoon insects, and sends entire armies after one hedgehog because the hedgehog likes to make fun of his appearance. If you were a 7 year old with unlimited resources trying to take over the world, that's what you would do, too! His main goal in a lot of Sonic media is to turn the world into a giant theme park! I guess he is sort of a competitor to Disney in that regard.
Overall I never expected a full on Sonic video from you, and especially not concerning one of the most well-known Sonic games. My inner Sonic cultist did cringe a few times when you badmouthed Shadow but I understand your reasoning. Overall a great watch!
Regarding 2), Metal Sonic stole the Chaos genes from Froggy and Cream's Chao friend, I think, rescuing whom is the motive for the Team Rose subplot. Cheese the Chao having Chaos genes is kind of a contrivance, but it makes enough sense if we assume Chaos is a Chao, which he probably is, judging from the existence of Chaos Chao. That is how Metal Sonic gained Chaos powers, rather than Eggman keeping Chaos samples around
I think, I haven't played this game in years
"He had no money so the all he had to gamble with was his life"
If there was ever an epitaph for my tombstone, this is it.
Not going to lie: hearing about knuckles mania is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while.
I was lifting weights while watching and the Knuckles Mania game nearly made me drop a dumbell on my toe from laughter. XD
& Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles
Please Help Me
A game made around the Triple Q remix
42:20 ish
I need the name of that song for reasons
17:10 in case Ross somehow sees this comment. The reason you kept failing there is that there's a spring in the middle of that automated section that you're supposed to hit to launch you, in the 2nd and 3rd attempt you managed the miss the spring....how? no idea...but Switching to Tails help you because the hitbox for Tails form is wider than Sonic's so you were less likely to somehow miss the spring again.
Apparently he’s playing the PC port of the game (which I didn’t know existed until now), which another commenter has stated to have a lot more physics glitches. The fact that he’s playing it on much more advanced hardware than what was available when the game was released probably doesn’t help.
@@NerfPlayeR135 Which is something I find funny about this game, considering that Burnout 1 through 3 had superb PC ports and the RenderWare Engine isn't known to be a difficult to develop on or buggy engine.
Eggman has a plan
He wants to build a massive park like a giant Disney world
More like turning the whole world into an amusement park.
Doesnt he fracture the entire planet into pieces just to do that?
Eggman has a plant.
An Eggplant.
@@atlasbot Fracture the planet and almost summon shadow satan.
Yeah, but that's still evil.
There's something almost arcane about Ross baiting "hardcore" sonic fans. It feels as if we're separating some kind of law of reality.
Did i switch timelines at some point?
No, it's more like looking into the guts of a "quantum computer".
As a lifelong Sonic fan, my answer to all your questions are: "I don't know."
this game is weird as shit, man. but i love the levels and music.
I think this game gets a lot of unwarranted shit
@@mvnkycheez way too buggy tho...
@@mvnkycheez its buggy and on ps2 (best selling console ever) the framerate is inconsistent and low to begin with.
I am impressed Ross never mentioned Sonic's weird single eyeball.
I agree that it looks pretty weird but it's pretty common for cartoon artwork to do that with the eyes. it's supposed to give the impression that one eye is overlapping the other to give it a bit of perspective. i don't think people really noticed it until they started making 3D sonic games, which makes sense since the conjoined eye thing was always just meant to be a 2D drawing technique.
I always thought goggle, after the fan comic art
The weird thing is, some of the artwork shows Sonic winking his pupil, like a cartoon character, and yet other times he has proper eyelids.
I'm guessing that's the least of this game's problems, so there's that.
This isn’t some obscure 90’s point and click adventure game.
*What the hell’s going on here??*
Is this the real Ross?
When everything's surprising, nothing's surprising. A main series game from a popular franchise is the ultimate curve ball.
Yeah, but I would say if you're not a hardcore Sonic fan, you probably missed this one. It doesn't seem to have the nostalgia factor that a lot of other Sonic games have.
This but unironically. Such a waste of a Game Dungeon if you ask me. Still nice to hear Ross bashing the jank.
I mean it's not the first time that he makes a GD about a not so obscure or semi-mainstream game
"If you like Sonic and abuse, this is a must play."
Oh Ross. That could apply to so many Sonic games.
So, sonic dreams....
@@chessmeister596 Sonic Dreams does not count.
@@OdaSwifteye awww.
That could apply to being a sonic fan in general
Ross gushing over Rail Canyon, stopping to appreciate the music, and breaking down the absurdity of Amy's plan and the logistical feats of Ro-butt-nik's empire were things I did not know I needed. After a while, Sonic games just kinda blur together and you accept these things as "it is what it is." Seeing the perspective of someone who isn't normally neck deep in this stuff really shines a light on how spectacular the series is, and I am here for it.
Also, I hear that Revanent music.
There's actually a trick to getting the emeralds. The special stages in Amy's story mode are a lot shorter than the others.
Apparently also in the bonus stage, the emerald goes slower while in Power Formation, which makes catching up with it very easy
Ross’s Game Dungeon is my favorite series on the entire TH-cams.
Agreed, always checking my subscriptions for a new one!
good taste commander
planescaped Thanks for the tip! I always need more.
I would also recommend Mandalore Gaming. Similar content to Ross, his reviews are on more unique games and makes them funny!
Burge the Nomad Thanks! Will check it out too.
I think there isn't any other video that captures the charm and appeal of sonic games better than this one. Even though you chose one of the not so great ones, you talked a lot about the cool stuff you don't get in any other game series besides this one. And then there's the lack of polish that might be even worse in the pc version. Could be one of my favorite Game Dungeons so far!
I bet you would enjoy Sonic Generations quite a bit. The amount of nostalgia bait might not do it for you but it's easily the fastest 3D Sonic game with the least amount of bullshit you could get on the pc right now.
Haha damn, srit Jahren nich mehr an AltF4Games gedacht.
Damn
Ross actually made me realize why I inexplicably like Sonic games. I don't actually care for the gameplay, I like them for the music and seeing all the cool surreal fantasy environments you get to run through. That's subconsciously always been the draw for me I guess.
Wow, thanks. It's a game that kind of stuck out in my memory, its highs are very high.
I've played Generations. I was going to mention it a little bit, but the video went on so long, I decided to cut it. The short version is I thought it was slick and fun gameplay and presentation-wise, but retread a lot of existing stuff. So it sort of feels like a complimentary game, but ironically is better than a lot of the core games, which puts it in weird territory. I like seeing past levels get the red carpet treatment, but I would want to keep seeing new stuff too. Also it sort of failed the music test since it was just a bunch of remixes. The only track that stood out to me was the 2D version of Crisis City. I went and listened to the original after that and was almost in shock how much worse it was.
I've played Mania also. I liked the new zones / music, but the remixed zones / same music I got tired of fast since I had already seen the original plenty. The mid-boss music in that is one of the best themes in the entire series.
@@Accursed_Farms Have you played Unleashed before? If not, Do you have any interest in examining the game?
@@Accursed_Farms Knowing the way you tick, EVERYTHING is in "weird territory", and "mixed feelings" is just a big theme of your life. Which is why you kept saying "My fault" every time the game would refuse to let you pull the switch, or it'd throw you off, or just keep you from doing the thing to progress.
26:32 I can actually explain that (sorry if someone else already explained it). The reason you sometimes died and sometimes you didn't was because your teammates weren't on the bingo highway with you, they were somewhere else not in pinball mode (pinball mode being when you're on the pinball boards/bingo highways).
If there's a white cancel sign on a character's portrait when you're in pinball mode, unless they were captured by an enemy, it means that they've fallen off the board/highway and died, so they can't be switched to. When the character you're playing as during the pinball/bingo highway segments falls off, it switches you to another alive team member or the only team member alive, regardless if they're on the pinball board/bingo highway with you or not. Sonic Heroes is just weird like that.
I think there's a consistent way to do it to give you infinite tries on the pinball/bingo highway segments, but I've either forgotten or don't know.
Anyways, this was an awesome video! Sonic Heroes is one of those games I love seeing reviews since Sonic Heroes is a flawed game but also a game that's nostalgic for so many, including myself. The opinions can be really neat.
Regarding the tails flying tailspin thingy stuff: There are types of flagellas on some microorganisms that actually work like this. Kinda like a motor where it actually lets the flagella spin around it's own axis instead of making it move some other way. It's probably the second-biggest argument of creationists (after the eye) that it couldn't have evolved in parts that work together, but that's a whole different can of worms. And tbh i have no idea why i wrote all this...
Its kinda hard to believe that these creationists would think that a microorganism that evolved that way would be so important
They're wrong about the eye too lol
@@billhughes1170 The argument (I am undecided on the matter personally, but I am familiar with YEC rhetoric) is that the propulsion method of the flagellum is so complex and relies on so many interconnected parts that it would be mathematically impossible for it to have developed through random mutation.
@@RabbiHerschel I'm of the camp that something manipulated life on this planet, but from our perspective it wasn't a quick or simple process.
@@RabbiHerschel What are you on about? It isn't impossible and it wasn't a random mutation. It was MILLIONS OF SMALL MUTATIONS. All changing something until you get your complex organs. Bad education is the sole reason for people not understanding this and also why there are so many freaking creationists in the US.
For any mad scientists out there this of course isn’t legal advice but still.
Legally speaking, if Eggman Empire (TM) is a sole proprietorship he exposes himself to personal liability as opposed to the limited liability of a corporate entity. High priced lawyers would go a long way but he definitely won’t get the tax and liability benefits Disney or Amazon garner.
For the sake of completeness, even if he formed a corporation you could argue that it’s really just him under alter-ego theory because it’s just him for his own gain and resources. The law around this can be as dizzying as the heights in this game.
Ahem.
You lobby to have your your AI recognized as having human rights and incorporate with them. Literally the perfect corporate structure- uniformity in purpose, always on and unending.
The only tricky bit is upgrades to the neural net possibly being considered murder, but otherwise consider a co-founder of a corporation that is 700 years old and still serving.
Obviously if Eggman became a powerful enough economic force, so amount of existing laws could stand against him and his army of lobbyists. When you have enough money, rigging the system to favor you and you alone is trivial.
@@quintessenceSL it's not murder if you just stick the old ones in a warehouse somewhere
Ross, regardless of how this turns out, you're the real hero here
When thinking seriously about what a person like Robotnik would be like in real life, I think it's helpful to turn to yet another old school game series, namely Megaman. The details differ but the principle remains the same: a single person gaining unfathomable power through robotics. And yes, much like Sonic, Megaman's and Dr. Wiley's interactions are very Saturday Morning Cartoon in their logic and need to maintain status quo. But where they part ways is that unlike Robotnik, it seems VERY clear based on the levels you play that Dr. Wiley in no uncertain terms already runs the world. This is not really you trying to stop him, this is you avenging what he's already done. This isn't "Wiley *might* use the tech he stole from Light to take over", that cat's already out of the bag. I don't even care what the lore claims, that's what you see with your own eyes playing those games. I mean some of those levels, there's no going back from. Whether Wiley's dead or alive, entire regions of the world are now permanently robot covered no-man's-lands.
And what does he do with all this unimaginable power? Hide away in his giant estate. The reality is, this kind of success is always going to be a Dr. Frankenstein problem. The one who leads that charge will not be the master of it, but the prisoner of his own creation, locking himself away in a nearly impenetrable fortress simultaneously terrified of both the angry populace he's oppressed and the robotic monsters he gave life to.
24:00 "All the pain I went through was for nothing, and it's my fault."
Story of my life
I have only one single issue with this hour-long video (and that's amazing) which is that you didn't mention how the final boss, Metal Overlord, throws *battleships* at you, and Knuckles *punches through them*.
Sonic Heroes is an important game from my childhood and I was pleasantly surprised to see a Game Dungeon on it on my feed. It was beyond my expectations. Great video. Keep it up!
"An FPS with a good soundtrack."
Next episode is probably Painkiller judging from the few times times Ross used it's OST in other videos.
Just in time for Halloween too.
It's not going to be Painkiller. Civvie hasn't tackled it.
He did hinted things on his video chats ever since August 2019.
It's a GAME Civvie-11 tackled. It will be a complement to him, and will address things he did not. An FPS game WITH GREAT MUSIC. It's ALSO NOT UNREAL!
I guess things are going to get SERIOUS on the next Game Dungeon Episode, eh?
@@Nevermore2790 I was hoping it'd be Starship Titanic.
@@Nevermore2790 good catch
@@Nevermore2790 I'm thinking things will get either Serious, or Sinful. Ross hinted in the past that he has some things to say about the latter that nobody knows about.
This has already been said, but Eggman's end goal is in two parts:
1. He wants to take over the world and turn it into a robot police state where he rules supreme and the US Government personal who murdered his beloved grandfather Gerald Robotnik and got away scot free are instead caught and executed, with Ivo Robotnik's rules making it so that nobody can allow such things to happen again, nor can anyone oppose his views.
2. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik _really_ loves theme parks and he knows damn well how suited for them the architecture in Sonic's version of future Earth is made for them, considering you get loop the loops and corkscrews formed from natural stone, so he plans to also make his Orwellian Eggman Empire partly the biggest theme park you'd ever see. We're talking Eternam levels big, the more dangerous and likely to kill you the rides, the better. I got a whole essay of what Eggman's world would look like, going by how I wanted the level design ideas (based on Sonic P-06 and Wolfenstein: The New Order/New Colossus with some Half Life 2 Beta thrown in) to look in Sonic Forces, as opposed to how it ended up in the final game: lion-o-cyborg-iii.tumblr.com/post/189649235657/sonic-forces-improvement-ideas
Why not send his robots to cap the feddies? He apparently can take over an area with no opposition at will, so long as it doesn't go after the cast while doing so.
@@dansmith1661 As the big list states, he could use Infinite, but that applies to Forces only. You're right: he could easily build terminators for dealing with his targets more easily, so long as he doesn't go after Sonic or the main cast.
Knowing Eggman though, I think when it comes to killing the people directly responsible for Gerald & Maria Robotnik's deaths, Ivo would want to personally pull the trigger, probably on live TV in the Eggman Empire, New Colossus style.
It's become very vague over the years what Eggman's ultimate goal is. Nowadays, it's just a generic "world conquest" thing. But to answer this, we need to go back to the beginning of Eggman's conception.
You see, Sonic at its core is about environmentalism. Eggman is the establishment who's destroying the environment & causing global warming, while Sonic is the one trying to preserve our planet. However, Eggman is not just some Captain Planet villain. He doesn't do what he does just for the hell of it. He is actually a self-loving egomaniac. His overinflated ego makes it so he literally cannot comprehend how anyone could not love him as much as he loves himself. His goal is not to transform everything into robots, nor is it to turn naturistic environments into desolate wastelands. His goal is to shove his image onto everything in sight and create a world that loves and praises him. One that would celebrate his genius.
That's why his robots look like him. That's why you see Eggman faces plastered everywhere in every level. That's why, in his original design, he wore a cape.
So his ultimate goal is to create Eggmanland: a utopia celebrating & worshipping HIS genius and HIS brilliant inventions that are on the forefront of modern industry. And he tries to achieve this in the most destructive, toxic, cruel, & cold-blooded way possible, because according to him, that's what it's going to take to make it happen. Essentially, Eggman's goal is to create North Korea. Times a thousand.
Early concept art of Sonic 2 depicts a future where Sonic no longer exists and Eggman is left to his own devices: what we see is an island with not one remnant of nature in sight, but in its place is a humongous urban city, a bustling casino, futuristic tech everywhere you look, and Eggman's brand plastered over everything. What you also see however is a chemical plant dumping endless toxic waste into the ocean, and that ocean levels have dropped dramatically as he uses it to fuel his utopia. You also see multiple factories that produce his machines, pumping noxious gases into the air, and that the island is surrounded by a fascistic military defense grid.
Geez, I never knew exactly what Eggman wanted to do aside from the whole "take over the world" scheme, so this was informative. A giant amusement park made from the entire planet (and beyond) sounds awesome on paper, but terrible once you start to detail out the specifics. When Ross finds out about Eggman's theme park motivation, he's going to have a field day! He'll probably compare it to the billionaires' racetrack story he made up during his TrackMania 2: Canyon video, they have their similarities. Also he might sympathize with Eggman's mission to avenge his Grandfather, that doesn't sound evil at all really, just sad.
@@DefinitiveDubs Great analysis, man. :) Genocide City that island was called, very fittingly. I guess the Good Future counterpart would be Cyber City that the zone was renamed to prior to cutting.
To add to it further; why does Eggman have such an ego? Because the Robotnik family was great once and he aims to live up to Gerald Robotnik, though that does seem to be kind of stunted or even forgotten at times with the way he emphasises himself more than the Professor due to reasons you just gave.
It's also ironic as Gerald wanted to better humanity and anthropomorphs with his work, not drain Earth dry and paint his family let alone himself as the big cheese. That only went out the window when he lost his mind. Hell, the Eclipse Cannon was built as the ultimate orbital defence, which not even a MAC gun can hold a candle to, except perhaps a Halo ring or a Trih Xeem super-nuke.
Ivo on the other hand just pollutes and destroys, all in the name of achiving his goals without noticing nor caring about the damage to Earth he does. Even after he learned of his grandpa's insanity and plans of genocide prior to his execution, he persisted in his efforts as despite learning how his hero fell, his dreams of the Empire are all he has left. Solaris knows what happened to his own family before the games, or what they think of their son/brother/cousin etc assuming they're still alive.
His pride in the Robotnik family name renewed when Gerald revealed the purpose of Shadow & the Eclipse Cannon, showing that he had good aims all along, making Eggman's perceived justice and end goals look justified in his eyes.
It may even get to the point that he may stop maintaining his robots and his own Eggmanland falls into decay like North Korea crossed with Rapture. Even when Eggman dies his slowly corroding tech would live on, feebly trying to serve their dead master as the empire crumbles. The counterparts to the Sonic 2 beta bad futures in Sonic CD showed this off quite well though Eggman was alive in those due to being present day Eggman. Maybe that and/or the Sonic 2 beta bad future is what the Spiderbot world is...
Sonic Forces tries to capture that spirit of the Sonic 2 beta such as Green Hill becoming a desert after all the water gets sucked away and Genocide City actually being built (now named after Metropolis) but despite being an OK game the world building was half-assed, which was why I made the list I linked to.
The lengths he's willing to go, the means he tries to use, and the amount of human suffering he's willing to cause all seem to vary from game to game, but the closest that exists to a contiguous end goal for Eggman seems to be... building the world's greatest *amusement park,* of all things.
According to Sonic Adventure, his endgoal was to destroy Station Square and build "Robotnik Land" on its ruins. The interesting thing is that he doesn't refer to it as a nation, or some kind of new world order, but simply "the ultimate *city,* where I will rule it all!" This implies that, while he does want the entire world under his thumb, presumably for the sake of resources, labor, and simply preventing threats from appearing elsewhere, his true passion project is actually something relatively small, effectively being the absolute ruler of a region the size of a large US city.
In Adventure 2, people commonly state that Eggman is attempting to destroy the world with the Eclipse Cannon, but this isn't actually true. He threatens to turn the weapon on individual nations, but after tripping a planetary destruction protocol on accident, he turns tail and helps save Earth from extinction. No true goals were established, but this DOES rule out death and destruction as a goal of its own.
In Sonic Unleashed, we get to see Robotnik Land (or "Eggman Land") come to fruition. It is, fittingly enough, a city-sized themepark, though interestingly we don't see anyone living there. So while Eggman isn't aiming to wipe out humanity, it's not clear if and to what extent he actually *wants* to share his dream metropolis with other people.
Colors is a bit of a weird case, because in this game he creates an even bigger amusement park, in *space,* though even those things are both major understatements because in order to achieve this he *abducts multiple dwarf planets and attaches them to Earth via a space elevator.* What makes this a weird case (aside from just being a bonkers scenario in general) is that he DOES succeed in building the greatest amusement park ever, does it legally (technically,) and even has Sonic and Tails not CERTAIN if anything is amiss. Life goal achieved, right? Well, not exactly. The amusement park itself is actually a front to extract energy from a bunch of aliens, and use said energy to power a planet-wide mind control ray. We are, once again, left with absolutely no information on what he'd USE the mind control ray to make people DO, but you know what? I wouldn't be shocked if "build an even bigger amusement park" was the answer.
I remember reading a somewhat obscure Sonic fact book titled "Stay Sonic" that I believe was from '93. In that book, they explain that Tails'... uh... tails were double-jointed, allowing him to spin them like a propeller. As far as I'm aware, that's the only explanation for Tails' abilities that has ever been given. I hope that helps
The way you manage to hook me for an entire hour about a game I absolutely didn't care for at all impresses me a lot. I'd rate the episode E for the joke but it was a solid A+, absolutely great.
@Xavior Ross*
I rank it an S, for Sadistic.
It's also worth two emblems.
This is the beauty of Game Dungeon. Ross is a master.
I really hope the Cult of Sonic doesn't kill Ross.
Don't worry. They are currently killing themselves fighting about whether this is a good Sonic game or not.
It all depends on which camp you visit I suppose. Some are better for free-agent civilized discussion than others, some have better social cohesion, some generate more original memetic content, and then some are just periodically raided by the deviants looking to raise hell... long stories for sure!
The mold will get him first. And them it will get them. And us.
They will kill us all eventually
Ross knows his way around cults. He'll be fine.
I was in stitches when Ross was describing Amy's only friends as being mentally challenged or not even sentient.
33:20 The mold gave him brain damage
Another great line to take out of context
"I can't be with a 12 year-old. That's not cool."
- Ross Scott
That actually sounds a lot better out of context
"does he have a metal ass?"
"I like to hear how Tails is screaming"
That's NO good!
19:24
Knuckles: “Just enough to pass.” :)
Ross: “Go to HELL.”
That was gold.
XD
Game: no u
48:18
Knuckles: “Just enough to pass.” :)
Ross: [Uncontrollable sobbing]
Mousazz ikr! XD
"Now she's formed a team, she's brought Big the Cat as an enforcer" Is so funny to me.
Furry, fishing-obsessed Luca Brasi.
I mean, in the SatAM cartoon at least, Robotnik basically said "Fuck it" and launched a full-on military coup, effectively taking over a huge chunk of the planet, installed himself as self-appointed leader, turned most cities into dystopian Cyberpunk nightmares and it's citizens into subservient robots, leaving Sonic and his friends to become contra resistance fighters.
And the old Archie comics too, but all that is super non-canon
52:00 "This is the airforce of a small country"
He says looking over an airfleet larger than the USAF :D
This airforce could be a small country.
"Does Knuckles turn into a vampire?"
No, instead he turns into some kind of armored evil demigod named Enerjak.
that is true
No, that was his great, great, great.........uncle originally named Dimitry when he tried to syphon off the energy of 11 chaos emeralds.
Apparently the question about why Robotnik wanted to take over was because he really does think that he's just that awesome. He wants the entire world singing his praises. And he wants a perfectly ordered world with himself at the helm. And he is that order.
Growing up watching Freemans Mind, hearing Ross give such praise to Sonic's character, aesthetic, and music while still giving very valid criticism but still seeming to like a game most FANS seem to not like anymore fills me with a Light Of Hope.
Ross really does remind me of what it was like to not be jaded... >__>
That part where you went over team rose and Big the cat had me dying
*Ross bringing up strange collision mishaps on fourth level* Huh yeah that does seem odd, i remember it being very easy getting by these first levels no problem, perhaps there's an issue with the copy of the game and the platform that it runs on.
*Remembers where, as a child I got stuck on this game and could not get by one level in particular cause of collision physics acting up poorly* oh god... ross, no.. get out while you still can.
I remember having an easier time than he does here. Maybe modern hardware is TOO powerful and is accelerating him past the physics by accident
I think it's just because Ross played PC. He should have played it emulated: could have used save states at least
@@iqwrjwqioprwjriopqrjpqowir No, I definitely remember quitting a console version of this game out of frustration. Because of falling off a loop repeatedly.
Honestly, I remember that I just got stuck on the first fan on level 2 like a dumbass. Had to get my cousin to do it.
Ross, tails tail works by rotating half a clockwise turn then reverse, and creates lift by altering the shape of the tail back and forth. The reason it looks like a propeller is because the rotation speed matches your screen refresh rate.
Mystery solved.
tails is actually a demon, the beginning of a nine tailed fox, so his tails can defy the general purpose of physics and physicality.
You could argue that every animal walking on two legs is a demon of some sort
@The New Salem Elites Or The N.S.E His tails are the "focus" of his levitation. Like, the only way it works is for him to whirl his tails around.
There’s Sonic, and his two droogs, Knuckles and Tails sitting in the Milkbar drinking milk-plus and getting ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence. 👁
"What's it going to be then, eh?"
Milk-plus? C'mon man, they eat chili dogs laced with speed.
@Zoomer Waffen A reference to _A Clockwork Orange_.
Ross used my title artwork! Is this what it feels like to find the magic?!
Found the magic
Shaa.
A couple fun facts from a Sonic Cultist.
Eggman *has* actually won a few times in different continuities. (Because of course there are reboots.) In all of them though he does actively seem to be taking control of the government and instituting his own law on top of policing and maintaining infrastructure. Now, depending on how cartoony the continuity is it might be laws like "No Fun Allowed," but even in the more serious plots he actually does maintain his position and work with the local governments he's supplanting. Mind you, he's an Emperor-type leader, full stop. Enforces his will through giant robot death fleets while slowly expanding his utopian city of "Eggmanland," which he seems to have as a passion project.
On the notion of "what if Eggman played by the rules," that's the set-up plot of Sonic Colours. Eggman manages to both build and *market* a space-station style amusement park only accessible by a *space elevator.* And considering the lengths he went to in design and infrastructure, it's not a joke or a ploy, this is legit. It's also a convenient way for him to colonize alien planets and literally exploit their local alien population for energy generation, but until then Sonic isn't even sure what he can call 'wrong'. Considering its *aliens* Eggman is exploiting in Colours, legally he wouldn't be touchable. Sonic is a full on vigilante to fix things in that game.
In certain continuities, Eggman does in fact have "employees" of a sort. However, they're largely all portrayed as either A) researcher aides who support his creation of new innovations, or B) mercenary squad leaders and local governors who enforce his will on regions. Notably, that second group is all loaded up with technology and implants, so Eggman can explicitly remote detonate in case his only military contractors turn on him. And until then, said implants give them a leg up on their opponents, so it's a win-win.
Finally, to address Knuckles and Tails not getting to have super forms, SEGA has been kind of... weird lately about super forms. General theory is after a few writers started getting _weird_ in the comics, including a roided-out magical Tails and Knuckles becoming a living Chaos Emerald (don't ask,) the company changed their tune about Super forms. Specifically, only *male* Hedgehogs are now allowed to use the Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super Forms. There's no reason why, just cutting down the number of people allowed to go super to Sonic, Shadow, and Silver from '06. ...And Blaze, but she's using a parallel dimension's Sol Emeralds to transform, so she doesn't count. It's weird even for us.
Oh, and according to the comics, Sonic doesn't have a cousin... But Amy does. "Rob O' The Hedge," a Robin Hood archetype who lives in a Ye Olde style kingdom and talks with all the For Soothes you could ask for. Why? ...Fuck, I dunno man, at some point you just sit back and enjoy the ride. Knuckles has the right idea.
There's also Scourge, the clone? Mirror universe counterpart? Of Sonic? The Green Sonic that's an edgelords like Shadow.
Wait muscle tails was real? I thought that was like a Tails Gets Trolled situation, WTF.
"I think he would also commit genocide on the forest animals from Sonic's homeland, just out of spite."
That's literally Robotnik's entire character arc in Fleetway's Sonic the Comic. Go give it a read at some point, you'll be pleasantly surprised on how many of your questions would be answered in that alone. And that's just an AU of the franchise too!
The Mario leaf thing making him grow a tail is 100% Japanese folklore regarding the Tanuki. Read up on it, it's amazing. Not even a drug trip.
I think a lot of people join in on the idea of Shadow being cool ironically, but it's one of those recursive things where it loops back around to being actually cool when he pulls off some shit like at the end of Episode Shadow in Sonic '06 where he takes off the rings on his arms like they're Master Roshi's weight trainers in DragonBall.
Or maybe I'm just a Shadow apologist trying to justify my rationale of why I think Shadow is cool.
...nah, fuck it, I love him unironically. We edgelords need our heroes too.
The appearances where he's coolest weren't even edgy, they just make him that way now because they don't want to bother writing him
@@Lazypackmule Sega even has restrinctions in place to not allow anyone to write Shadow as anything but an edgelord. Not even the writters for the comics, who were forced to have him throw himself into a mob of robot-zombies and predictably get infected like a fucking idiot because he never runs aways or something.
Shadow is trying too hard to be cool, so he's uncool. But he's so uncool that it wraps around and he becomes cool again.
Hot take: Edge is unironically really fun, and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.
30:30
"This is the largest gun I have seen since Quake 2"
Oh my God that reference. Thank you so much for that. Made my day to see someone remember that.
It's probably the size of the real-life Gustav Cannon. Except the Gustav gun wasn't a Quad-barrel.
Just want to point out, the PC or emulated versions of this game are about twice as buggy and have pretty fucked up physics. Not saying the original game is perfect but there's definitely more unfair deaths in this version (i.e. that scripted corkscrew that kept killing you).
I dunno man, had the game on ps2 and yeah had bout as many issues with it.
@@nikfighter262 The ps2 version is also notorious for being worse. The gamecube and Xbox versions are the most stable versions while the ps2 has slower framerates, worse textures, and bad collision detection. The only thing thats worse in the pc version is the physics, sending you speeding through automated sections about twice as fast as in the normal versions.
@@genetax2371 My point still stands unlike those sonic characters who keep falling to the void in either port.
Funny given that I had the least issues with the PC version.
On my Gamecube copy did I never manged to make it past Lost Jungle as a broken Ring dash line cost me over 10 lives over 3 continues and I just gave up.
I also had less issues with the Pinball tables, the Grind mechanics and the collision detection in general on my PC version compared to my GC version.
I only had like 3 bigger issues during all of my play throws and all were saveable while almost all the problems I keep run at on Console were instead deaths (I only had one death do to bugs on the PC version so far and I completely finished that metal overlord and all)
54:51 I know this one ! If a character like Robotnik would do what he does in real life without breaking any rules (that's a big if, because he's breaking probably a lot of rules about monopoly establishments and accaparation of lands and natural ressources; possession of weapons of war, animal cruelty etc), the government of the countries he's exploiting would probably do things in that order :
• Ask him to stop of his own volition , appeal to his sense of order (people dislike changes in general, and usually outrage is settled in a way that doesnt upset major actors - "just stop please" "okay I'm stopping, chill")
• Make new laws extremely quickly and injonct him to stop and desist ("your ongoing operation is now illegal, cease or be tried)
• Just try him for something unrelated, get sentenced to the absolute maximum and left to rot in a jail. Since his crimes are outrageous they would be left with no one to oppose the witch trial (see Schkreli's case).
• After that, the question is can they catch him as they have an army ? Because the law is confined to where guns can apply it. If a robotnik can just line up an army in front of a government, he can just sit on his chair and insist on the legality of what he's doing, which would de facto make the government in a position where it has to recognize the legality of Robotnik's action and became a puppet, declare war or abdicate.
Amazon is not above the law. Legislators can enforce their law and force amazon to bend. Amazon actually bends when asked to.But asking recquire efforts and involve risks and politicians do like neither.
“Ah. Look at all of those Eggman’s robots. Now things are beginning to make sense. More later.”
How can that be'll??
Shadows problem is him never really moving on from having "I watched my best friend get shot infront of me" as his defiining characteristic even as he had some genuinen development at the end of Adventure 2.
In games where he's actually in character (SA2, Heroes, 06) Shadow is less edgy and more introverted with a hint of cockyness. His own game and everything else just flanderize him to be a edgy asswipe.
Xanious to be fair Episode Shadow for Sonic Forces helped bring his true character essence back to normal. And thank god.
Except he did because it's nowhere to be seen in Sonic '06 onwards. It was only there in Sonic Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog, the two games centered all around his past.
He got past that in 06 but then sega made that rule where he has to be an asshole in every game he's in going forward
@@Next-xm2dh The writers from Colors onwards are absolutely awful.