Member of the cult of Sonic here. Amy's deal is basically she's the infatuated fangirl, and Sonic isn't really interested mostly because he's not the type of guy that likes being tied down. Nothing really explains why Neo Metal Sonic has liquid powers, he just does. There's some fan conjecture going around that it's somehow related to Chaos from the first Adventure, but nothing is officially explained. I can't explain Tails except that he's a mutant freak. Eggman has often stated his dream is to build "Eggmanland", some kind of theme park paradise of his design. It seemed to start small, as in Adventure he was only going to level Station Square and build on top of it, but by Unleashed he seems to have ambitions to turn the entire world into "Eggmanland". And, no, as far as I'm aware, chaos juice doesn't turn Knuckles into a vampire. One note about Sonic Heroes, the PC version is supposedly based on a pre-release build of the game, which means it features technical issues the other versions don't have, and those aren't technical masterpieces, either. Gamecube and Xbox are probably the best versions to play, and you just want to avoid the ps2 version. Sonic games were notoriously worse on ps2 than any other console. Also, I loved your analysis of that first cutscene. These characters really don't seem to have any sense of danger. And don't worry. We have ways of punishing those that don't belong to the cult for their sacrilege.
you touch our glorious one free man and the cult of ross is gonna be at war with you guys. we'll lose, but we'll make some *damn bold accusations* like...metal sonic being secretly sonics dad. as shown in the hit tv show sonic underground.
@@alexandrehenrique7203 It's a war you do not want to start. We have WMDs of such accursed power they make Cthulhu blush. Titan Tails is only the tip of the iceberg. Also, your "bold accusation" is hilariously not far off the mark for Archie Sonic. His dad got turned into a robot and couldn't be turned back.
To be fair i dont think in all games he wishes to enact a themepark, that wasn't really a thing until colors, which was his alibi to enslave planets. just happens to go by the same name he wants to make his nationstate.
I'd assume Eggman has decided that since he's going to have to defeat the whole damn world to build his park, he might as well take over the whole world.
Pilot here. Casino: probably 2000 or so feet, depending on the height of those buildings. You look higher at night than you really are. Forest: I would guess 5000 to 7000 feet, hard to say. If those trees down there are as tall as redwoods its 7000, otherwise normal trees for maybe 5000. Canyon: 1000 or 2000. Looks higher because the nearby sides gives you parallax. Fleet: Easily over 80000 feet. You need at least an SR71 blackbird to get that amount of curvature on the horizon, and even then thats unlikely. Ask Felix Baumgartner (free fall height record) and he might know better. Source: I am a pilot. I fly cargo too, so you can trust me more than airline guys. We dont have autopilot so we are allowed to look outside more.
Multi-tailed foxes are a thing from Japanese mythology, which puts Tails roughly in the same category as those Bible-accurate Angels and other Lovecraftian horrors.
@@an2qzavok "Japanese mythology" is f* weird. There is a hell, and another hell, and another hell, and all the deities are evil and we have demons, and all of them live in the hell.
Sonic Heroes is the pinnacle of gaslighting. The sheer amount of times where it makes you believe it's your fault you died is crazy, especially when some things just don't work every time like they're meant to.
If I had a nickel for every time a grind failed to happen, or I clipped off of a ledge, got Camera Screwed by sudden control changes, my Homing Attack just.... doesn't, and Floor Is Butter physics yeeting me off the level at a whim, I could skip the unemployment process and retire.
Sometimes it IS your fault but only because the game, despite having tutorials up the wazoo, doesn't explain its mechanics properly. Failed light dash? You were supposed to wait for the b button to flash on screen, under the team selection ui. Rail jumps hurtle you into oblivion? You're supposed hold left or right, then press jump, or else the game system will get confused and slingshot you. Homing attacks are legitimately hard to manage sometimes, requiring such precise input with no feedback if you're doing it right, until it's too late.
I just realized: Eggman had to gather the resources and tools to build his robots, as well as program them. He probably had to start with simple stuff to make the process of building more robots go along quicker, effectively multiplying his production for every robot built until he could reliably set up an assembly line. But before that, he had to get even more resources to build those robots, so he had to build robots to get those resources to build more robots to build his robots, on top of programming said resource gatherers who had to get metals, plastics, parts, oils, and more. And he would need security too, so he would have had to build the gatherers, workers, and keep them safe with probably mercenary forces until he could build up enough security robots. But wait, he would have to supply THOSE robots too, with armaments and armor and spare parts to make repairs, which means building and programming more robots to build and assemble more robots, munitions, and spare parts. So, after he hits critical mass, he has enough robots to do all the menial tasks and get the bare bones needed for his production line... but he still needs infrastructure like facilities, which for short term he could just rent space and outsource the work until, once again, he gathers the materials, builds and programs the workers, who then gather construction supplies and materials to build his own facilities which will speed up production on all fronts, as well as storage, and then he can start building bigger and bigger robots to handle mass transportation, railways, shipping across sky and sea, as well as enough security to protect all of that... Bottom line: Dr. Ivo Robotnik is a Factorio player.
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds. Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.” Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved. John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
Sonic Fan here: For anyone wondering, Metal Sonic went nutty in this game and betrays Eggman as a result of losing to Sonic in past games. He thinks himself as both the original Sonic and the duplicate. Wanting to prove he's better, Metal somehow upgrades himself into the T-1000 / Neo Metal Sonic and locks Eggman up, impersonating him throughout the game. Eggman contacts Team Chaotix and anonymously hires them to go rescue him. Metal sends the message to Sonic in order to lure him in. Using his new T-1000 powers, Metal Sonic copies the biodata of every team. He also steals Big's frog and copies its data because Froggy ate the tail of a destroyer god back in Sonic Adventure. And since the destroyer god in question was a mutated Chao, Metal disguises himself as Sonic using shapeshifting and steals Chocola, a chao belonging to Cream. This is what gets Team Rose in on the plot. After all the plots happen, Metal Sonic confronts everyone and transforms into a clusterfuck of a dragon. Sonic goes Super Saiyan, Metal loses, day is saved. The reason Eggman doesn't deploy Metal Sonic as Neo Metal Sonic again in the games is implied to be because Neo Metal Sonic is a form that's inherently too out of control. It's explicitly stated in supplementary material that Eggman installs a restraining bolt on Metal Sonic following Heroes. The IDW comics on the other hand does bring Neo Metal Sonic back, explaining that during Sonic Forces, Eggman was working on upgrading Metal to re-upgrade him but with the loyalty intact this time. But this is all out-of-game stuff, so who knows for sure. Sonic lore is wack.
I never read more than the first issue of IDW Sonic, but I read good things about it, and the Neo inclusion makes me happy just for it existing. Personally, I think Neo had untapped potential, and while the restraining bolt seems to put a damper on it, I see it as something to keep in mind for a potential return. What I’d like to see-maybe not from official Sonic material (though that would be cool), but from IDW or in a fan work-is an encounter with Metal causing damage to the bolt and freeing him to become Neo again. And from there, we could explore what his rampancy is, showing how the nature of his creation as an intended equal to Sonic conflict with attempts to find his own identity. Trying to break off from Eggman and be his own person, but the Sonic rivalry/impersonation is too deeply coded and he breaks down. Neo Metal Sonic could be such an interesting character if allowed to surface again; as is, the closest I’ve seen was Repliku in CoM, specifically around his last fight. Also would be nice to fight the actual Neo form someday. I don’t fault Heroes for jumping straight to Metal Madness, that was kinda awesome actually, but I do still want to fight the T-1000 robo wizard.
I love how I started watching a video about how Sonic Heroes is a nice game with cool visuals and good music only to end up wondering about the social implications of a single man owning an entirely automated empire
*Q1:* You're not crazy for thinking Amy looked like a "little girl" when she appeared in 'Sonic CD'; Sonic is (supposed to be) about 15, and she's listed as 8 in that game's manual. Amy's hobby is (was?) fortune-telling, and based solely on those fortunes, she believes Sonic is destined to marry her. When they changed her design for 'Sonic Adventure', they aged Amy up to 12, so the rest of your guesses were pretty accurate. *Q2:* Cast your mind back to that Team Rose intro cinematic. Chocola and Froggy went missing, and Sonic was the suspected culprit. Turns out, it was really Metal Sonic, and he did it to absorb the 'Chaos' DNA that both characters happen to be carrying. (something something 'Sonic Adventure') However, the power-up that Metal gains (especially the liquid-metal shapeshifting) makes him go a wee bit power-mad. He overthrows Robotnik, pretends to _be_ Robotnik, and then lures in all the heroes so he can copy all of _their_ abilities too. So, yeah, Robotnik isn't in a hurry to let this happen again. Less grey goo, more folding time and space upon itself. *Q3:* It's one of those "We just don't know" questions, like "Does Sonic have separate eyes with a white area in-between, or an unfathomable uni-eye?". *Q4&5:* Robotnik has an IQ of 300, but a childish sense of fair play. He does things the way he does because it's more fun that way. Without the 'fun' of trying to thwart Sonic, Robotnik would _probably_ become destructively nihilistic; his alternate reality / continuity counterparts certainly are. *Q6:* Up until 'Sonic Mania' rolled around, all of the classic Super forms besides Sonic's were retconned out of existence. Putting a weird gold bubble around Tails and Knuckles in this game was their way of side-stepping the issue. Also, the PC version? It's an earlier build than the console versions, so it's jankier in places. And yes, 3D Sonic games have God-tier OSTs, but 'Sonic Heroes' is easily the King among Gods.
In regards to 4 and 5, some depictions of Eggman such as the recent IDW comics says he wouldn't go SamJack Season 5 Aku. Sonic is just a stopgap from INTERGALACTIC CONQUEST. Adventure 2, Unleashed, and Colors all state that his technology is space-worthy! He really can just conquer somewhere else were it not for his extreme hatred of that blue hedgehog. And its kinda scary to think that Sonic is powerful enough to stop the one man empire on a constant basis.
Notes from a member of the Sonic cult: 1. I recommend the Sonic Rush games if you want as little stop-and-go gameplay as possible. Dunno how you feel about DS emulation though. 2. It's not really your fault, but the number one reason for homing attack failure is not waiting long enough between A-presses. 3. Sonic is 15, Amy's 12. He's never shown much genuine attraction for anyone in the games, I think he's possibly asexual. In the comics he goes out with Sally, Mina and Fiona at various points, but *never* Amy. In the most recent cartoon they've got some mutual attraction, but Amy in that show is much more reserved, she never obsesses over him like in other media. 4. You're not wrong about the high-up controls. They're _especially_ terrible in this game. Barring the last level, to this day, I think Sonic CD might be the only Sonic game with no pits to fall in. 5. Do not feel any responsibility for the pinball controls, they are absolute fucking nonsense. The best advice I can give is "hold forward". 6. I literally did not realize this until last week when I played the game, but you're not actually supposed to mash the button on rails, you hold it down and use the stick to balance. It's deceptive, since in Adventure 2, you don't jump when you speed up, and in SHADOW, which is built off Heroes' engine, you DO mash the button. 7. There IS an AI-upscaled texture mod for this game, it's on Gamebanana, along with the mod loader you use to run it. 8. The checkpoints in this game aren't designed like the starposts and gates in just about every other Sonic game, that might be part of you ignoring them. Also, the game can be really stingy with them, even without your help. 9. This is the first and last game that Metal Sonic can magically turn liquid. Weirdly, both this game and Sonic Battle, which came out on the same day, have alternate storylines surrounding Shadow's amnesia and a robot that copies everyone else's powers. 10. The Tails rant is funny, because even creators on the series have no idea how it works. Tyson Hesse (redesigned movie Sonic, writes and draws for the comics) drew a parody comic a few years back called "Hedgehog the Sonic" where Tails attempts to fly with his arms and breaks all his bones. 11. The Shadow bit is so on-point, even modern material (mostly the comics and TV shows) uses it for comedic effect. Shadow is obsessed with the edge aesthetic to an actual fault. It literally almost gets everyone killed in the most recent arc. 12. The #1 fan of Knuckles is Ken Penders, the psychotic former comic writer who was so obsessed with adding echidna lore and characters, including "Enerjax" (actually Enerjak, with a K) that he sued Bioware over Sonic Chronicles for doing it themselves, then when SEGA and Archie counter-sued him, he managed to make it out of the whole ordeal with nearly every major Knuckles relative from the comics, which he's trying to make into a NEW comic book called The Lara-su Chronicles, which has some of the most disturbed and terrifying Sonic character art I've ever seen. 13. If you build up some speed, you can make that Mystic Mansion wall jump with Tails. 14. Eggman is the best character. He is consistently the most fun in terms of writing or acting. 15. Chaotix is a fever dream of a game. It's also really boring once you get past the art and sound. 16. I think Eggman is probably a defense contractor. In Sonic Battle, he sells E-series robots to companies looking for guards, the military robots in Adventure 2 and Rush are basically identical to his, just with less personality. That said, the Robotnik robots without animals are typically weaker than specialized badniks. Sonic Lost World has the animals again, and enemies are way harder to beat in that game. 17. Eggman's actual literal goal is transforming the world into a robotic amusement park where every citizen is constantly terrorized and possibly seriously injured. He almost accomplishes this in Sonic Unleashed, but that only happened because he broke the Earth into pieces. 18. The lack of a drop shadow is one of the biggest problems in both this game and Unleashed. It's not your fault. 19. Team Sonic's playthrough is hard, but if you've ever tried Team Dark, you will know how miserable a game this can be. 20. I did get the actual end to this game legitimately. It sucks. 21. While not a vampire, Ken Penders did write Knuckles as a stand-in for Jesus Christ at many points. He actually had so many magic powers and heroic prophecies bestowed upon him that current writer Ian Flynn dubbed Penders Knuckles "The Hot Pocket of Destiny". 22. This game DOES have crippling issues. It's programmed badly. The physics and collision are just very poor. Even at their worst, most other Sonic games function better than this one. 06 and Secret Rings probably don't, but even Sonic Boom doesn't kill you for no reason.
The moment it hits you that Amy recruited two toddlers and an adult with the mental capacity of one as her team is actually really telling. Ross, you amazing person you.
@wildfirefox1 Yeah, I remember it was canon that Amy was 12 and Sonic was 16. If Sonic did date her, he'd be canceled on the internet these days afterward.
"Lost and confused while being exposed to images of Sonic being burned alive over and over again" seems like a pretty accurate description of the experience of being a Sonic fan for the past 25 years.
When Freema-I mean Ross doesn't take his daily dose of oxycodone, his big brain energy gets to be too much for his body and he's gotta go super fast, like Sanic.
I actually avoided this video for the longest time, just because it didn’t seem like a Game Dungeon pick. That said, Ross theorizing stuff like how Eggman could probably legally take over the world by using his robots to outcapitalism everyone else is exactly what I’d want from him looking at games outside his wheelhouse. And the Gamer Dementia thing. Besides starting that for when other games would gaslight him, yeah, that’s kind of a problem in Heroes. Say what you will about how glitchy 06 is, but it actually didn’t pull this crap. Some of its own crap, sure, but none of THIS.
Accursed Farms: "So, I'm going to have some questions for you TRUE Sonic fans by the end of this." True Sonic fans: "Don't hold your breath. We are just as bewildered by Sonic Heroes as you are."
The only questions I have is for the American lolcalization team who decided it would be a good idea to make up ages for them in the manual. It was nothing but fuel for flame wars, left and right.
33:19 I think the most impressive part about missing that checkpoint three times was Ross kept stopping/slowing down right next to it, then carefully maneuvering around it.
Just FYI, Big the Cat is voiced by John St. John in some games. In a recent interview for the Realms Deep event by 3D Realms he mentioned that he basically did the most stupid voice he could without any preparation - which apparently was exactly what the studio wanted.
Just think, in an alternate timeline we had fat, furry, fishing-obsessed Duke Nukem on a quest to get his pet frog back. “I’m here to kick ass and catch fish, and I’m all outta bait.”
I love the description of calling Big the Cat an enforcer. I'd love to see a mafia spin-off of Sonic where innocent Big has to go through terrible things to get his frog or whatever, but he doesn't know what he's doing. So he's just incredibly cruel in the most oblivious way possible
You may want to look into the later Fleetway Sonic comics. Big's Froggy equivalent is _Chaos_, and it only gets crazier from there. What happens when Big gets a bounty on his head? Read and find out.
@@RougeMephilesClone Ah yes somebody else remembers the Fleetway comics. Where Super Sonic was less a super mode and more a psychotic and uber powerful alternate personality (seriously almost every time Fleetway Sonic went Super he would try and kill EVERYTHING in sight of him). Sonic and his allies lived in fear of that happening, because after a while it didn't need the Emeralds anymore, he just had to get mad/frustrated enough like the Hulk. Plus it went with the Kintobor origin story for Robotnik, where he was once a good man, but a failed attempt to cleanse evil from the land, ended with him instead absorbing it into himself.
"Officials can turn down only so many suitcases full of money" Yah, that is pretty much how most corporations see government bodies when dealing with them.
I mean why not? The public thinks governments are the gatekeepers of every vital resource in the nation. With that kind of power, it would be silly not to buy it.
I agree that it looks pretty weird but it's pretty common for cartoon artwork to do that with the eyes. it's supposed to give the impression that one eye is overlapping the other to give it a bit of perspective. i don't think people really noticed it until they started making 3D sonic games, which makes sense since the conjoined eye thing was always just meant to be a 2D drawing technique.
I appreciate Ross for actually taking the time to own up and admit that some of the pain he went through was due to his own misunderstanding of some of the game mechanics, there are so many people that will just call everything the game’s fault that hearing someone admit that it was their own fault is more refreshing than it should be
Other half was just the PC port's horrible unrefined state, which I can wholeheartedly attest to since sections of Grand Metropolis would move at triple speed or not send you far enough.
Speaking of which, aren't those laser beams color coded? So that Sonic is hurt only by the blue beam, Knuckles by red/pink beam and Tails by the yellow one?
For anyone who hasn't seen it, look up Sonic Heroes - Opening (In Production) It's basically the intro but the song writers were still writing the lyrics as the song was being made, so the lyrics are literally just jumbled up words. It's the best thing ever.
@@JustSkram Japan's idea of a cute character. Remember Navi from Ocarina of time? The Rotom Dex in Pokemon Sun and Moon? It might be down to different scripts in the mother tongue of the series, but the Japanese tend to find characters like that endearing and cute. and considering most of the main cast of Sonic's friends and rivals are 15 or younger... with Rouge being the oldest at 18. Hay, Amy herself is friggin' 12, Sonic is 15. She's a pre-teen with a crush on an older kid.
When I was 5 I always thought it's supposed to make her look insane and that she was supposed to be obsessive and I thought it's fine. But I was a weird kid and I listened to Slayer when I was 5, so don't judge me!!!!
Amy's childish borderline-psycho fixation on an older Hedgehog? Dr Eggman's potential to legally and diplomatically control the world through minimum labour costs? The theory of Tail's robotic ass? For a casual Sonic fan, Ross could come up with some REALLY interesting fanfiction for the fandom.
The way Amy obesses over sonic when he puts it like that makes me sad because that's the behavior of a groomed child. it's how I acted during my teenager years after getting groomed by a 30 year old when I was 9 over habbo hotel.
ThePandaHatChick yeah but Amy is only 3 years younger than Sonic it really isn’t that big of an age gap as some people want to be... some people in real life get together with a 6-10 year age gap and depending on the age of both it is entirely acceptable
@@TenshiPrime sorry you had to endure that. luckily i don't think there is the possibility of grooming with sonic, sonic is trying to have nothing to do with her and trying to get away, the opposite of trying to build a framework of a relationship.
@@eng3d I think that goes for star wars fans as well. As well as fans of paradox games. Honestly, I think you aren't a true fan unless you hate everything about it.
Ross subconsciously avoiding checkpoints reminds me a lot on how many video game streamers always seem to overlook stuff when they play and then act surprised or annoyed that they were supposed to know the thing they've been ignoring.
As a man who works on a tech support phone desk, "It just worked and now it doesn't!" is literally a thing I hear every day and that joke made me laugh like a madman.
The fundamental core of Eggman’s villainy is that the only thing bigger than his IQ (and his waistline) is his ego. Sure, he _could_ turn his massive industrial base to taking over the entire planetary economy, but that wouldn’t satisfy him in the slightest. Take a close look at all his inventions. Even the most dangerous and intimidating ones have whimsical, cartoonish forms and bright, toy-like paint jobs. The guy’s a manchild in almost _every_ sense of the word. His ultimate goal is to conquer the world and turn it into a giant amusement park/casino for him to play in. Turning animals into robots is just another expression of his desire to make _everything_ be about him. They’re _his_ robots that _he_ created, and they’re incapable of _not_ worshipping him with every fiber of their being. He wants to remake the world in his image, and that image is a never ending birthday party for him, a _Hello, Dolly!_ number that lasts forever. (A _Hello, Eggy!_ number, if you will.) Sonic’s Old Guard like to think of the Archie Comic and _Sonic SatAM_ version of Eggman as the definitive version, but really the _Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog_ take is more true to the character. Yeah, the one from _TH-cam Poop._ The boob with a hilariously inflated sense of his own sex appeal. _That’s_ the one that get’s it. Anyone who says otherwise either owns a Sally Acorn body pillow, or is Jim Carrey.
17:10 in case Ross somehow sees this comment. The reason you kept failing there is that there's a spring in the middle of that automated section that you're supposed to hit to launch you, in the 2nd and 3rd attempt you managed the miss the spring....how? no idea...but Switching to Tails help you because the hitbox for Tails form is wider than Sonic's so you were less likely to somehow miss the spring again.
Apparently he’s playing the PC port of the game (which I didn’t know existed until now), which another commenter has stated to have a lot more physics glitches. The fact that he’s playing it on much more advanced hardware than what was available when the game was released probably doesn’t help.
@@NerfPlayeR135 Which is something I find funny about this game, considering that Burnout 1 through 3 had superb PC ports and the RenderWare Engine isn't known to be a difficult to develop on or buggy engine.
The key to Tails is the fact that has multiple tails- in Japanese mythology, creatures with multiple tails are special, and they gain additional servings of Magical Bullshit Powers with each additional tail they grow. so it's roughly like if you saw a character in a pointy hat and a broomstick, and then she gets on the broomstick and flies away- it doesn't literally make sense, but it draws on a cultural reference point that would at least somewhat make sense in context. tl;dr- magical bullshit powers.
39:33 Game tech artist/developer here. About the dust/smoke/steam being brighter than the sun: this is a rendering optimization trade-off. Rendering transparency, especially with multiple layers can choke the GPU on fill rate pretty quick. There's just too many math operations to do for these pixels on the screen. Additive transparency is cheaper than alpha blending, because you don't have to care about dimming the background before drawing a new layer on top so it's less math to do for each pixel on screen. It works great for fire, plasma, magic and sparks, etc but unfortunately smoke becomes too bright. Still - doing alpha blending is much more expansive, especially if you have multiple smoke particles overlapping. With static level geometry it's much easier to control how many layers of transparency can be rendered at any given moment so level designers can make sure it's not going to go over the frame budget. With particle effects, especially ones like smoke where each particle can take quite a lot pixels on screen this can result in nasty frame rate drops if the camera flies into a cloud of smoke. You can see the same thing in NFS:MW when doing a donut - the burnout smoke is insanely bright when getting too dense.
1. It's not just you, this game is notoriously buggy. 2. I think Tails actually *was* voiced by an actual 5-8 year old in this game. 3. Canonically, Sonic is 15 and Amy is 12. 4. Depending on who you ask (and how any given game is written) Amy is either hopelessly devoted to Sonic despite him not being interested in relationships at all; an annoying obnoxious fangirl turned psycho stalker who's gonna end up killing Sonic after he rejects her one too many times; or fangirl with a crush that's turned into a genuine affection and is actually maturing as time goes on. (The writers seems to try for the 3rd, but she often feels like the 2nd....to me anyway.) 5. The liquid metal thing was only in this game, never before and never again. 6. Tails' tails.....well you see [shoves sandwich in mouth and talks through it]...and that's how that works. 7. The real problem with Shadow is that one of the producers has flat-out *mandated* that Shadow be written to be an edgelord, and literally everyone hates it. He *had* character progression, and ironically this game was the high point. After this they even retconned Team Dark out of existence, because Shadow "doesn't have friends". 8. Your point about Robotnik is the same case that can be made for pretty much every supervillain: that they could easily make more money or gain more power the easy and legal way. 9. His "endgame" is to build a theme park. "Eggmanland". Some that was all he wanted to do from the start and that it's kind of Sonic's fault that he's escalated so much...that if Sonic hadn't stopped him Sonic 1 that he'd've built his theme park and that would've been that, but now the only thing Robotnik really cares about is getting his revenge and killing Sonic. 9. It's the one constant in Sonic games, even if the game's mediocre the *soundtrack* is *amazing* 10. Hyper Sonic according to SEGA is non-canon, so Super Tails and Hyper Knux are probably retconned too. So, as far as any of us know, no. The Emeralds don't turn him into a vampire. Also the Werehog was from Sonic Unleashed. Two words about Unleashed that you'll understand when/if you play it: "Battle Jazz".
Yeah, I feel like the tails thing ends quite poorly if you think about it too much, I see it as magic chaos energy shenanigans that allow his muscles to pass through each other, and keeps him from simply spinning out of control cause of poor stability.
You forgotten about team dark was also in sonic 06. And it continued shadows and gangs relationship as a team. It surprisingly made it better. Then unfortunately went backwards until what he is today, an edgy side character whos one toned and is used for fan service. Tragic..
@@ghostofdoom1941 True, I did overlook that Team Dark was pretty well done in '06. (Mostly because that game was an unfinished disaster, made more tragic by the fact that it had real potential to be amazing if it hadn't been rushed out to meet an arbitrary deadline.) Even though their story (like the rest of the game) was riddled with holes from where things got cut/changed at the last second... I can't even blame the writers, because I get the impression *they* want to be able to do more and better things with the characters too, but the producers, or at least one particular producer, has forbidden it and he unfortunately has enough power to enforce it...
"See, Sonic has no money, so all he has to gamble with is his life." That's not a sentence I was expecting to hear this morning. Also, nice Omelas reference!
51:46 is just Ross creating the freedom fighters storyline without realising it. Like all the points he brought up are in the comics in addition to Eggman kidnaping and turning people into robots. Basically there was no legal way to stop him and Sonic became a revolutionary freedom fighter. Robotnic's end goal is basically to turn everyone and everything into machines. He'll pollute the entire planet to the point no life can be sustained but it'll be fine since he'll have "fixed" everyone's "problem" of needing clean air or water in the first place. This also involves taking the need for sleep as well as freewill away from everyone, leaving himself as the last being of freewill on the planet.
"The last who feels the pain from the wound The last to be birthed from the flesh of a womb A wretched life in this altered place There must be more I can embrace" Sorry, I had to.
Eggman's very much a believer in the old addage, _"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."_ and the Roboticizer is his eye-gouging machine.
Yeah, the Archie series was one hell of a can of worms when it came to continuity, canonicity, and just plain old bad writing. Didn't help Ken Penders tried to do some really weird shit (like having sonic get cucked) before he got the boot, sued Archie, and took a bunch of characters with him. He took so many they had to restart the series with a timeline changing mcguffin (sucked too, really wanted to see the mecha-sally arch finish) to start the cannon over. Eventually Sega had enough an pulled the rights from Archie.
@@urmomisurdad5422 I dunno man, I'm surprised he managed to get their ages (and therefore, the basic dynamic of their relationship) pretty much correct, most people I've seen who aren't part of the Sonic Cabal just assume they're around the same age; if they even think about the ages of Sonic characters at all. Though IIRC, Amy's still a preteen after Adventure I think? I might be wrong.
@@LonelySpaceDetective Sonic was still like 10-15 around heroes so the age gap wasn't that dramatic. Sonic was just the "boy who doesn't reciprocate love" trope you see in media when the characters are kids, there isn't really anything to it.
Sonic Heroes' grade isn't based on keys, rings, how many times you died, or any of that. The only thing that matters is how fast you completed the level. The larger that number on the timer, the lower the grade. By taking your time, enjoying the scenery, and trying your best not to die, you were basically ensuring that you consistently got the lowest grade period.
@@nicholastosoni707 Sorry, I forgot to mention that, and in fact counter-intuit that by saying that lives don't matter. You're right, though, fastest in one take.
@@borederlands5387 Adventure 2 was its own mess but the mix of time bonuses and score attack mechanics its ranking system had worked really well, shame whichever poor bastard draws the short straw and has to make another Sonic has their own ideas on how the score should work
@@Accursed_Farms Thank you, Ross. I've felt like I'm in crazy town with everyone calling this one of the worst Sonic games, when it's at least the best 3D one.
A couple fun facts from a Sonic Cultist. Eggman *has* actually won a few times in different continuities. (Because of course there are reboots.) In all of them though he does actively seem to be taking control of the government and instituting his own law on top of policing and maintaining infrastructure. Now, depending on how cartoony the continuity is it might be laws like "No Fun Allowed," but even in the more serious plots he actually does maintain his position and work with the local governments he's supplanting. Mind you, he's an Emperor-type leader, full stop. Enforces his will through giant robot death fleets while slowly expanding his utopian city of "Eggmanland," which he seems to have as a passion project. On the notion of "what if Eggman played by the rules," that's the set-up plot of Sonic Colours. Eggman manages to both build and *market* a space-station style amusement park only accessible by a *space elevator.* And considering the lengths he went to in design and infrastructure, it's not a joke or a ploy, this is legit. It's also a convenient way for him to colonize alien planets and literally exploit their local alien population for energy generation, but until then Sonic isn't even sure what he can call 'wrong'. Considering its *aliens* Eggman is exploiting in Colours, legally he wouldn't be touchable. Sonic is a full on vigilante to fix things in that game. In certain continuities, Eggman does in fact have "employees" of a sort. However, they're largely all portrayed as either A) researcher aides who support his creation of new innovations, or B) mercenary squad leaders and local governors who enforce his will on regions. Notably, that second group is all loaded up with technology and implants, so Eggman can explicitly remote detonate in case his only military contractors turn on him. And until then, said implants give them a leg up on their opponents, so it's a win-win. Finally, to address Knuckles and Tails not getting to have super forms, SEGA has been kind of... weird lately about super forms. General theory is after a few writers started getting _weird_ in the comics, including a roided-out magical Tails and Knuckles becoming a living Chaos Emerald (don't ask,) the company changed their tune about Super forms. Specifically, only *male* Hedgehogs are now allowed to use the Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super Forms. There's no reason why, just cutting down the number of people allowed to go super to Sonic, Shadow, and Silver from '06. ...And Blaze, but she's using a parallel dimension's Sol Emeralds to transform, so she doesn't count. It's weird even for us. Oh, and according to the comics, Sonic doesn't have a cousin... But Amy does. "Rob O' The Hedge," a Robin Hood archetype who lives in a Ye Olde style kingdom and talks with all the For Soothes you could ask for. Why? ...Fuck, I dunno man, at some point you just sit back and enjoy the ride. Knuckles has the right idea.
A lot of Ross's issues with the "gamer dementia" reminds me of the climbing puzzles in Assassin's Creed games where you've climbed perfectly for the past hour only to jump the opposite direction and it costs you tons of time.
I played this on my Gamecube when I was 7 years old. I DID NOT imagine a game like this ever being on Ross's Game Dungeon. I have no idea what to expect. This is gonna be emotional
Apparently the question about why Robotnik wanted to take over was because he really does think that he's just that awesome. He wants the entire world singing his praises. And he wants a perfectly ordered world with himself at the helm. And he is that order.
The lengths he's willing to go, the means he tries to use, and the amount of human suffering he's willing to cause all seem to vary from game to game, but the closest that exists to a contiguous end goal for Eggman seems to be... building the world's greatest *amusement park,* of all things. According to Sonic Adventure, his endgoal was to destroy Station Square and build "Robotnik Land" on its ruins. The interesting thing is that he doesn't refer to it as a nation, or some kind of new world order, but simply "the ultimate *city,* where I will rule it all!" This implies that, while he does want the entire world under his thumb, presumably for the sake of resources, labor, and simply preventing threats from appearing elsewhere, his true passion project is actually something relatively small, effectively being the absolute ruler of a region the size of a large US city. In Adventure 2, people commonly state that Eggman is attempting to destroy the world with the Eclipse Cannon, but this isn't actually true. He threatens to turn the weapon on individual nations, but after tripping a planetary destruction protocol on accident, he turns tail and helps save Earth from extinction. No true goals were established, but this DOES rule out death and destruction as a goal of its own. In Sonic Unleashed, we get to see Robotnik Land (or "Eggman Land") come to fruition. It is, fittingly enough, a city-sized themepark, though interestingly we don't see anyone living there. So while Eggman isn't aiming to wipe out humanity, it's not clear if and to what extent he actually *wants* to share his dream metropolis with other people. Colors is a bit of a weird case, because in this game he creates an even bigger amusement park, in *space,* though even those things are both major understatements because in order to achieve this he *abducts multiple dwarf planets and attaches them to Earth via a space elevator.* What makes this a weird case (aside from just being a bonkers scenario in general) is that he DOES succeed in building the greatest amusement park ever, does it legally (technically,) and even has Sonic and Tails not CERTAIN if anything is amiss. Life goal achieved, right? Well, not exactly. The amusement park itself is actually a front to extract energy from a bunch of aliens, and use said energy to power a planet-wide mind control ray. We are, once again, left with absolutely no information on what he'd USE the mind control ray to make people DO, but you know what? I wouldn't be shocked if "build an even bigger amusement park" was the answer.
I mean, in the SatAM cartoon at least, Robotnik basically said "Fuck it" and launched a full-on military coup, effectively taking over a huge chunk of the planet, installed himself as self-appointed leader, turned most cities into dystopian Cyberpunk nightmares and it's citizens into subservient robots, leaving Sonic and his friends to become contra resistance fighters.
Regarding the tails flying tailspin thingy stuff: There are types of flagellas on some microorganisms that actually work like this. Kinda like a motor where it actually lets the flagella spin around it's own axis instead of making it move some other way. It's probably the second-biggest argument of creationists (after the eye) that it couldn't have evolved in parts that work together, but that's a whole different can of worms. And tbh i have no idea why i wrote all this...
@@billhughes1170 The argument (I am undecided on the matter personally, but I am familiar with YEC rhetoric) is that the propulsion method of the flagellum is so complex and relies on so many interconnected parts that it would be mathematically impossible for it to have developed through random mutation.
@@RabbiHerschel What are you on about? It isn't impossible and it wasn't a random mutation. It was MILLIONS OF SMALL MUTATIONS. All changing something until you get your complex organs. Bad education is the sole reason for people not understanding this and also why there are so many freaking creationists in the US.
Ross contemplating the lore implications of Eggman having a robot labor force and his Deus Ex video lead me to believe that he has those intrusive thoughts that haunt you in the night all the time
Eggman's endgame is usually implied to be turning EVERYBODY into robots, like, after he takes over, he builds a crapton of conversion machines and turns the entire planet into his clockwork toybox, which is both a concrete goal and fairly necessary to stop. It'd also explain why he keeps taking the military route, as no amount of biased laws are going to get the entire population into a soul-eater machine without a gun to their head. [Well that and bribing idiots and making consumer goods is just not as FUN as blowing up cities.] In Sonic Adventure 2, which I don't think is officially non-canon yet, it was implied that his central motivation is disillusionment, he resents humanity itself and wants to 'fix' it, the only way he knows how, by building robots; and that he very specifically doesn't want to take the route of 'serving' humanity [which consumer goods and being a good little capitalist... kind of... counts as] after seeing how terribly it worked out for his grandfather.
Yeah, but I would say if you're not a hardcore Sonic fan, you probably missed this one. It doesn't seem to have the nostalgia factor that a lot of other Sonic games have.
Ross, tails tail works by rotating half a clockwise turn then reverse, and creates lift by altering the shape of the tail back and forth. The reason it looks like a propeller is because the rotation speed matches your screen refresh rate. Mystery solved.
I love Ross's complex relationship with Knuckles. He keeps antagonizing him in moments like 30:53 but then he sounds really hurt at 49:30 when he thinks Knuckles mocked him for absolute no reason.
30:30 "This is the largest gun I have seen since Quake 2" Oh my God that reference. Thank you so much for that. Made my day to see someone remember that.
It all depends on which camp you visit I suppose. Some are better for free-agent civilized discussion than others, some have better social cohesion, some generate more original memetic content, and then some are just periodically raided by the deviants looking to raise hell... long stories for sure!
36:13 Reminds me of this creepily well-made anatomical art some brony made that explained when ponies held things with a hoof, there were hair sized tentacles that came out kinda like Sam Raimi Spider-Man.
It's super refreshing too see such a positive take on a 3D Sonic game outside of the usual echochamber. Ross really is one of the best on TH-cam at this. With my genuine praise out of the way, here's my responses to the questions asked in excruciating detail. I treated this as homework : 1. Amy's obsession with Sonic is based on some old lore from Sonic CD that she was obsessed with weird occult fortune telling and figured out Sonic was her destined soulmate via Tarot Cards and went to meet him. Sonic CD happens and he basically saves her life thus furthering her autistic obsession with him. Sonic is likely not interested at all due to him either being an MGTOW volcel, or because he is a disgusting freak fetishist who is only attracted to women outside of his own species (I have evidence to back this claim up.) 2. Metal Sonic was likely upgraded in-between Chaotix and Heroes, as he is seen in a Stasis Tube in Sonic Adventure and is outright stated to have been upgraded from his base form as Neo Metal Sonic. The liquid property itself likely comes from Chaos' DNA, as he demonstrated similar capabilities. As for why Eggaman never uses him much after this, he doesn't exactly have the best track record in either actually doing his job or not betraying him. 3. Tails' flying like another comment said has probably got something to do with the Kitsune myths about flying multitailed foxes and is a very visual way to illustrate his cleverness extending to even how he moves. How it physically works is simple, it's the same way Strong Bad types with Boxing Gloves. GENERAL EGGMAN QUESTIONS : Eggman's actual end goal is to build "Eggmanland" which is basically an entire Planet/Metropolis-sized tribute to himself with literally no other purpose than to fulfill every last one of his manchild fantasies. The issue with this; and what actually would happen if he ever won or was left undeterred, is shown in Sonic CD, wherein he completely drains a planet of its resources and completely rapes nature and basically all living things including trees are dead, even his own machines are breaking down because they are no longer able to acquire resources to sustain and repair themselves. Eggman meanwhile is totally oblivious to the hell he has caused and the fact his own empire will inevitably crumble around him, as he is too busy mindlessly enjoying his land designed specifically to amuse him and worship himself. Seems to have forgone this in favor of just purposely spiting Sonic in recent years. Due to the fact he operates outside of the Sonic Universe's globalist united government, he is just considered one massive terrorist entity, though he must covertly operate some manner of businesses as shown in Sonic Battle. Also he actually DOES have overseer robots, most notably the EggRobos in Sonic 3K which were basically designed to do everything he would need to do when he couldn't do it, and some sources even imply he can directly control them. EMERALD WEED: Knuckles does not turn into a Vampire. Some of his official art in Adventure DOES give him his Sonic 3 Sprites MegaChompers, and this can somewhat be seen on the Dreamcast model a little better with all the characters having varying degrees of them.
fun hint that is often overlooked in this game because it isn't exactly well explained, when your on the rails, though the button to move fast looks like you need to tap it your actually supposed to hold the button down and thats how you speed up on rails. This is how your suppose to dodge the laser and get enough momentum foward off the rails.
It's not going to be Painkiller. Civvie hasn't tackled it. He did hinted things on his video chats ever since August 2019. It's a GAME Civvie-11 tackled. It will be a complement to him, and will address things he did not. An FPS game WITH GREAT MUSIC. It's ALSO NOT UNREAL! I guess things are going to get SERIOUS on the next Game Dungeon Episode, eh?
@@Nevermore2790 I'm thinking things will get either Serious, or Sinful. Ross hinted in the past that he has some things to say about the latter that nobody knows about.
Robotnic may have an army of lawyers but they're all robo lawyers and not legal entities so they'd have as much say in court as a chicken wing in a toaster.
Gonna give a shot at the Sonic Lore Master Questions: 1. Most manuals tend to refer to Sonic as 15 and Amy as 12, so your assessment is fairly correct. In recent years the writers have toned down her crush on Sonic a lot, but it still shows up from time to time. Between the Genesis games and the 3D games, there's a bit of a time skip where the whole cast seems to get a little older, and Amy seems to have changed the most, going from a young girl to more like a young teen. Whether Sonic is interested in her, or women in general really, varies a bit between the various pieces of Sonic media. Keep in mind that the Sonic series has had a LOT of different writers between the games, the comics, the TV shows, etc. so it can get really dicey as to what's canon or not. The American media like SATAM and the Archie Sonic comics seem to like the idea of Sonic having a love interest more than most of the Japanese media, where he's depicted as a free spirit who doesn't want to get tied down in a relationship. 2. I'm not 100% on this, but I think the explanation for Metal Sonic being able to transform like that is because he copied the DNA of Chaos, the water monster from Sonic Adventure. Somehow Robotnik must have gotten a sample of Chaos before he ascended to heaven at the end of that game. Actually, in Sonic Adventure 2, one of the enemy types is a series of man-made replicas of Chaos which were created 50 years before the events of the game by Robotnik's grandfather while he was on board a space colony. So maybe Robotnik just used some samples from those guys to build a new Metal Sonic. 3. No one knows. There's a common fan theory that his tails are connected to a ball joint, like your shoulder, but it's easier to just chalk it up to someone at SEGA (Yashushi Yamaguchi in this case, a.k.a. "Judy Toyota") just thinking it would make for a cool visual and not thinking too far past that. This is a very common design philosophy in the Sonic series. For example, in Sonic Unleashed, Robotnik fires a giant laser into the earth and splits it into seven chunks, but most people and societies are doing just fine aside from being mildly worried about purple demon monsters possessing random people. 4. Kind of getting a little off track from the direct portion of the question, but I love Eggman/Robotnik as a character so this is my excuse to talk about him. It's been shown that Robotnik does have robot underlings that manage the bottom-tier robots. Not to mention that in one of the racing game spinoffs (Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity) he's shown to have a stranglehold on the hoverboard industry. As to why Robotnik doesn't take over the world legitimately, I think it's part of a wonderful and underappreciated aspect of his character. The core conceit of Eggman is that he has the greatest mind and intellect in the world, but the personality of a spoiled child. He causes massive amounts of property damage, makes death machines shaped like cartoon insects, and sends entire armies after one hedgehog because the hedgehog likes to make fun of his appearance. If you were a 7 year old with unlimited resources trying to take over the world, that's what you would do, too! His main goal in a lot of Sonic media is to turn the world into a giant theme park! I guess he is sort of a competitor to Disney in that regard. Overall I never expected a full on Sonic video from you, and especially not concerning one of the most well-known Sonic games. My inner Sonic cultist did cringe a few times when you badmouthed Shadow but I understand your reasoning. Overall a great watch!
Regarding 2), Metal Sonic stole the Chaos genes from Froggy and Cream's Chao friend, I think, rescuing whom is the motive for the Team Rose subplot. Cheese the Chao having Chaos genes is kind of a contrivance, but it makes enough sense if we assume Chaos is a Chao, which he probably is, judging from the existence of Chaos Chao. That is how Metal Sonic gained Chaos powers, rather than Eggman keeping Chaos samples around I think, I haven't played this game in years
There’s Sonic, and his two droogs, Knuckles and Tails sitting in the Milkbar drinking milk-plus and getting ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence. 👁
The reason you sometimes live or die during the Bingo Highway part, is if one of the team members just happen to still be standing on solid ground, it might teleport you to them instead of killing you, if the game feels like it.
1: "What's the deal with Amy?" Sonic saved her life from Metal Sonic in Sonic CD. She fell in love with him. Sonic does not go for her because she's 12 (in Heroes. She's even younger in CD, ostensibly 8), and 13 is the national statutory minimum in Japan (furthermore, most prefectures still mandate 16 as a minimum). Also, Sonic's 15 in Heroes. 1.5: Very high up. Very high 2: "When did Robotnik get a liquid metal robot?" This game. It's is the latest build of Metal Sonic. Previous builds can be seen in Sonic 2 (Mecha Sonic 1), CD (Metal Sonic), and 3 (Mecha Sonic 2). Metal Sonic and Mecha Sonic 2 can be seen in tubes in Sonic Adventure 1 3: "How does Tails fly?" With his tails, duh. But seriously, he's a kitsune, it's magic, we don't know. 3.5: There's a subtle genius to Shadow's tryhardness. He was originally envisioned as a character named Terios the Tenrec. A tenrec is a creature known as a fake hedgehog (suddenly a lot of dialogue in Adventure 2 makes sense). You're right in that no character will be cooler than Sonic--that's Shadow's whole point, he's artificial, manufactured, brandname cool and he's ultimately a failure at it just as he's a failure at being the ultimate lifeform when ultimately he's a copy of Sonic built from a prophecy, but he eventually grows into his own character when he finally stops chasing Sonic's shadow 3.75: WAY TOO HIGH! 3.9: He does indeed have robot overseers guiding and micromanaging other robots. He could indeed undercut every industry (and does make the world's best theme park in Colors), but the point isn't making money, it's taking money. His personal grudge against GUN is his dominant motivation as of Adventure 2. But even when we consider the robot labor, he must be getting funded in some way. Headcanon: He's funded by GUN to unearth cosmic horrors and point the hedgehog at them (it keeps happening!) 4: "How would we stop Robotnik legally?" Filibuster and a law requiring a human spokesman to lobby and address congress. 5: "What is Doctor Robotnik's endgame?" To build Robotnikland, the ultimate city/amusement park! But seriously, it's revenge on GUN. Because they killed his cousin, Maria, and grandfather, Gerald, and ruined his family name. And yes, world domination is on the table as it was in Forces Extermination of the animals on South Island, Westside Island, and Christmas Island is an unlikely end goal. 6: "Do the Chaos Emeralds turn Knuckles into a vampire?" No. Sadly, the Super Emeralds and the Hyper forms they bestow are considered noncanonical if you ever want to see how deep the Sonic rabbit hole goes, check out the youtube channel Deepest Lore: th-cam.com/channels/5a5ADQFv2MlOZ7d23z07ag.html
i don't know, but i feel like the sonic storyline is kinda dark, not the games itself, robotnik's character is kinda dark now that you mention all that
At 14:30 you're not crazy, platforming in those areas is difficult because there's no shadows under the objects you're trying to interact with. It's standard practice for 3rd person 3d platformers like this to have shadows directly under your character and everything you can interact with. They're necessary visual queues that tell you where you are in relation to things.
I'm a pretty big sonic fan and when i heard you say that you didnt like shadow, i felt that. he was actually really good in sonic adventure 2, he had an interesting story and motivations. if you look at sa2 shadow, and then look at every other shadow, you might find that they kinda really ruined him, like a lot. i mean, he DIED at the end of sa2, but now he's alive because reasons that i dont want to get into! TLDR shadow was good, then sonic heroes/ shadow the hedgehog(the game) happened.
I remember reading a somewhat obscure Sonic fact book titled "Stay Sonic" that I believe was from '93. In that book, they explain that Tails'... uh... tails were double-jointed, allowing him to spin them like a propeller. As far as I'm aware, that's the only explanation for Tails' abilities that has ever been given. I hope that helps
There is no such thing as Gamer Dementia, Gordon, you're just being paranoid.
Rise and shine, mr. Freeman...
...*rise and shine*
Gordon doesn't need to hear all of this, he's a highly trained professional.
“I don’t think this is gamer dementia, I think this is regular old FASHIONED dementia” -Gordon Freeman
@@hkr667 "AGGHHHHHH GET THE FUCK BACK YOUR BREATH SMELLS LIKE PAINT!"
Look Gordon, Ropes!
Member of the cult of Sonic here. Amy's deal is basically she's the infatuated fangirl, and Sonic isn't really interested mostly because he's not the type of guy that likes being tied down. Nothing really explains why Neo Metal Sonic has liquid powers, he just does. There's some fan conjecture going around that it's somehow related to Chaos from the first Adventure, but nothing is officially explained. I can't explain Tails except that he's a mutant freak. Eggman has often stated his dream is to build "Eggmanland", some kind of theme park paradise of his design. It seemed to start small, as in Adventure he was only going to level Station Square and build on top of it, but by Unleashed he seems to have ambitions to turn the entire world into "Eggmanland". And, no, as far as I'm aware, chaos juice doesn't turn Knuckles into a vampire.
One note about Sonic Heroes, the PC version is supposedly based on a pre-release build of the game, which means it features technical issues the other versions don't have, and those aren't technical masterpieces, either. Gamecube and Xbox are probably the best versions to play, and you just want to avoid the ps2 version. Sonic games were notoriously worse on ps2 than any other console.
Also, I loved your analysis of that first cutscene. These characters really don't seem to have any sense of danger. And don't worry. We have ways of punishing those that don't belong to the cult for their sacrilege.
you touch our glorious one free man and the cult of ross is gonna be at war with you guys. we'll lose, but we'll make some *damn bold accusations* like...metal sonic being secretly sonics dad. as shown in the hit tv show sonic underground.
@@alexandrehenrique7203 It's a war you do not want to start. We have WMDs of such accursed power they make Cthulhu blush. Titan Tails is only the tip of the iceberg.
Also, your "bold accusation" is hilariously not far off the mark for Archie Sonic. His dad got turned into a robot and couldn't be turned back.
To be fair i dont think in all games he wishes to enact a themepark, that wasn't really a thing until colors, which was his alibi to enslave planets. just happens to go by the same name he wants to make his nationstate.
@@sighrelief His start of Eggmanland in Unleashed was very much a death themepark of ridiculous size.
I'd assume Eggman has decided that since he's going to have to defeat the whole damn world to build his park, he might as well take over the whole world.
Craziest thing about Big the Cat is that he shares a voice actor with Duke Nukem.
"That eggheaded bastard's gonna pay for stealin' my frog."
even better there is a mod for PC SADX that replaces his voice with Duke Nukem's. best way to play Big's story
And the OpFor marines
And Rosenberg
Damn. I could hear every word of that in the Duke's voice
"I came here to marry you with Amy and chew bubblegum"
Damn, writing him that way could’ve saved his character.
Tell me about the froggy, George
Man when Big accidently killed Rouge was one hell of a scene in that book. Steinbeck really loved sonic
I don't want no damn Froggy george, you can have it, i don't even want none george.
Pilot here.
Casino: probably 2000 or so feet, depending on the height of those buildings. You look higher at night than you really are.
Forest: I would guess 5000 to 7000 feet, hard to say. If those trees down there are as tall as redwoods its 7000, otherwise normal trees for maybe 5000.
Canyon: 1000 or 2000. Looks higher because the nearby sides gives you parallax.
Fleet: Easily over 80000 feet. You need at least an SR71 blackbird to get that amount of curvature on the horizon, and even then thats unlikely. Ask Felix Baumgartner (free fall height record) and he might know better.
Source: I am a pilot. I fly cargo too, so you can trust me more than airline guys. We dont have autopilot so we are allowed to look outside more.
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What do you mean allowed to look outside more? Are airline pilots required to fly by instruments more?
Great, I still have absolutely no idea how high that is, because I don't know how big your feet are! :-P
@@hetzelbd twas a joke. Passenger aircraft tend to have better navigation and automation systems than cargo, and I am 100% bitter about that fact
@@lordofthingz What jet(s) have you flown sir? Just curious :)
"How do Tails' tails work?"
You're asking some dangerous questions, Ross.
Multi-tailed foxes are a thing from Japanese mythology, which puts Tails roughly in the same category as those Bible-accurate Angels and other Lovecraftian horrors.
@@an2qzavok
I know about yokai and kitsune, friend.
I'm just adding some playful jive to the comments.
I started sweating bullets when he asked that.
I went: “Ross... please don’t do this......”
Tails is actually the world's largest bacterium. Those aren't tails, those are flagella.
@@an2qzavok "Japanese mythology" is f* weird. There is a hell, and another hell, and another hell, and all the deities are evil and we have demons, and all of them live in the hell.
26:45 is my favorite quote of the video
"Sonic has no money, so the only thing he has to gamble with is his life, and the lives of his friends."
"Sir, we don't accept whatever fake gold these rings are made of. Also do you have ID?"
*Damage sound*
I mean, he usually does have money, but if he stubs his toe he loses all of it.
Jotaro?!?!?! How can you gamble the life of your mother TO POCKER?!?!
"If you like Sonic, and abuse..."
Still haven't figured out the Sonic cult, Ross?
Times have been tough, the Admiral is not doing so good. Things aren't starting to make sense, more later.
We're with you Admiral. You can do this!
We believe in you Admiral
Just make sure you spend time with your family.
Admiral, you cannot give up now.
Spiderbots together strong.
Your antidepressant charge is running low. Use it wisely.
Wow this Sonic guy seems pretty cool.
This is going to be a long one
Yeah unlike some other sonic guy we all know!
I wish Sonic would disappear for years
I just found your channel and now i see you here lol
I just finished watching all your vids and then this came out
Sonic Heroes is the pinnacle of gaslighting. The sheer amount of times where it makes you believe it's your fault you died is crazy, especially when some things just don't work every time like they're meant to.
If I had a nickel for every time a grind failed to happen, or I clipped off of a ledge, got Camera Screwed by sudden control changes, my Homing Attack just.... doesn't, and Floor Is Butter physics yeeting me off the level at a whim, I could skip the unemployment process and retire.
For as broken as it is, Sonic 06 doesn’t do THIS to you.
Sometimes it IS your fault but only because the game, despite having tutorials up the wazoo, doesn't explain its mechanics properly. Failed light dash? You were supposed to wait for the b button to flash on screen, under the team selection ui. Rail jumps hurtle you into oblivion? You're supposed hold left or right, then press jump, or else the game system will get confused and slingshot you. Homing attacks are legitimately hard to manage sometimes, requiring such precise input with no feedback if you're doing it right, until it's too late.
I just realized: Eggman had to gather the resources and tools to build his robots, as well as program them. He probably had to start with simple stuff to make the process of building more robots go along quicker, effectively multiplying his production for every robot built until he could reliably set up an assembly line. But before that, he had to get even more resources to build those robots, so he had to build robots to get those resources to build more robots to build his robots, on top of programming said resource gatherers who had to get metals, plastics, parts, oils, and more. And he would need security too, so he would have had to build the gatherers, workers, and keep them safe with probably mercenary forces until he could build up enough security robots. But wait, he would have to supply THOSE robots too, with armaments and armor and spare parts to make repairs, which means building and programming more robots to build and assemble more robots, munitions, and spare parts. So, after he hits critical mass, he has enough robots to do all the menial tasks and get the bare bones needed for his production line... but he still needs infrastructure like facilities, which for short term he could just rent space and outsource the work until, once again, he gathers the materials, builds and programs the workers, who then gather construction supplies and materials to build his own facilities which will speed up production on all fronts, as well as storage, and then he can start building bigger and bigger robots to handle mass transportation, railways, shipping across sky and sea, as well as enough security to protect all of that...
Bottom line: Dr. Ivo Robotnik is a Factorio player.
So *this* is why Robotnik bounces back so quickly after Sonic puts Eggman in his place...
Wait, his first name is Ivo?
@@thehoodedteddy1335 Dr. Ivo Robotnik.
@@jessegd6306 I read that, I'm just phrasing it as a question there to point out the fact that your comment is the first time I heard his first name.
And Dr. Wily invented Factorio.
"Like lenny from mice and men"
Yeah, something tells me Big has gone through a few Froggy's after petting a little too hard...
@Griffez Never thought of big like that until today...now I just feel bad for the guy 8(
All have sinned and so all are worthy of death and deserve hell, for God’s standard is perfection and none of us could meet it by doing good deeds.
Romans 3:23 “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Romans 6:23 “For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 5:8 “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.”
But God loved us so much that He sent His Son to die in our place as a substitutionary atonement for our sins. He is the only way to Heaven that God has provided. If you believe in Him, then you will be saved.
John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
Acts 4:12 “Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.”
@@charlie4christ536 Why? why are quoting the bible here, on this channle? thats just...odd.
@@michaelvanhouten4498
have you never seen the infographic, "Sonic was once lost but now he's found in Jesus Christ"?
@@ChibiKami No. but I think I can guess what it is now...it's a meme!
Need a "haunted controls" awards.
Sonic Fan here: For anyone wondering, Metal Sonic went nutty in this game and betrays Eggman as a result of losing to Sonic in past games. He thinks himself as both the original Sonic and the duplicate. Wanting to prove he's better, Metal somehow upgrades himself into the T-1000 / Neo Metal Sonic and locks Eggman up, impersonating him throughout the game. Eggman contacts Team Chaotix and anonymously hires them to go rescue him. Metal sends the message to Sonic in order to lure him in.
Using his new T-1000 powers, Metal Sonic copies the biodata of every team. He also steals Big's frog and copies its data because Froggy ate the tail of a destroyer god back in Sonic Adventure. And since the destroyer god in question was a mutated Chao, Metal disguises himself as Sonic using shapeshifting and steals Chocola, a chao belonging to Cream. This is what gets Team Rose in on the plot.
After all the plots happen, Metal Sonic confronts everyone and transforms into a clusterfuck of a dragon. Sonic goes Super Saiyan, Metal loses, day is saved.
The reason Eggman doesn't deploy Metal Sonic as Neo Metal Sonic again in the games is implied to be because Neo Metal Sonic is a form that's inherently too out of control. It's explicitly stated in supplementary material that Eggman installs a restraining bolt on Metal Sonic following Heroes. The IDW comics on the other hand does bring Neo Metal Sonic back, explaining that during Sonic Forces, Eggman was working on upgrading Metal to re-upgrade him but with the loyalty intact this time. But this is all out-of-game stuff, so who knows for sure.
Sonic lore is wack.
I never read more than the first issue of IDW Sonic, but I read good things about it, and the Neo inclusion makes me happy just for it existing. Personally, I think Neo had untapped potential, and while the restraining bolt seems to put a damper on it, I see it as something to keep in mind for a potential return.
What I’d like to see-maybe not from official Sonic material (though that would be cool), but from IDW or in a fan work-is an encounter with Metal causing damage to the bolt and freeing him to become Neo again. And from there, we could explore what his rampancy is, showing how the nature of his creation as an intended equal to Sonic conflict with attempts to find his own identity. Trying to break off from Eggman and be his own person, but the Sonic rivalry/impersonation is too deeply coded and he breaks down. Neo Metal Sonic could be such an interesting character if allowed to surface again; as is, the closest I’ve seen was Repliku in CoM, specifically around his last fight.
Also would be nice to fight the actual Neo form someday. I don’t fault Heroes for jumping straight to Metal Madness, that was kinda awesome actually, but I do still want to fight the T-1000 robo wizard.
Thank you.
I love how I started watching a video about how Sonic Heroes is a nice game with cool visuals and good music only to end up wondering about the social implications of a single man owning an entirely automated empire
The implications are pretty scary, if you ask me.
Ten months late, but Factorio is a good way to discover what that's like.
There's a dreaded question with every dictatorship with an all-powerful leader: What happens when the leader dies?
@@LutraLovegood in robotnik's case the comics and loose in universe lore imply he's made himself a robot over time
@@sorrenblitz805 His companion bots (Scratch and Grinder/Bocoe and Decoe/Orbot and Cubot) can take over too, I guess.
*Q1:*
You're not crazy for thinking Amy looked like a "little girl" when she appeared in 'Sonic CD'; Sonic is (supposed to be) about 15, and she's listed as 8 in that game's manual.
Amy's hobby is (was?) fortune-telling, and based solely on those fortunes, she believes Sonic is destined to marry her.
When they changed her design for 'Sonic Adventure', they aged Amy up to 12, so the rest of your guesses were pretty accurate.
*Q2:*
Cast your mind back to that Team Rose intro cinematic. Chocola and Froggy went missing, and Sonic was the suspected culprit.
Turns out, it was really Metal Sonic, and he did it to absorb the 'Chaos' DNA that both characters happen to be carrying. (something something 'Sonic Adventure')
However, the power-up that Metal gains (especially the liquid-metal shapeshifting) makes him go a wee bit power-mad.
He overthrows Robotnik, pretends to _be_ Robotnik, and then lures in all the heroes so he can copy all of _their_ abilities too.
So, yeah, Robotnik isn't in a hurry to let this happen again. Less grey goo, more folding time and space upon itself.
*Q3:*
It's one of those "We just don't know" questions, like "Does Sonic have separate eyes with a white area in-between, or an unfathomable uni-eye?".
*Q4&5:*
Robotnik has an IQ of 300, but a childish sense of fair play. He does things the way he does because it's more fun that way.
Without the 'fun' of trying to thwart Sonic, Robotnik would _probably_ become destructively nihilistic; his alternate reality / continuity counterparts certainly are.
*Q6:*
Up until 'Sonic Mania' rolled around, all of the classic Super forms besides Sonic's were retconned out of existence.
Putting a weird gold bubble around Tails and Knuckles in this game was their way of side-stepping the issue.
Also, the PC version? It's an earlier build than the console versions, so it's jankier in places.
And yes, 3D Sonic games have God-tier OSTs, but 'Sonic Heroes' is easily the King among Gods.
I'd still say Sonic '06 has Heroes beat in the jams department, but to each their own.
Also, Smudcast gang represent
Question about the last bit. What about Sonic '06?
thank you sonic expert.
so . . . what's up with the the tails' tails?
its a mechanical buttplug isn't it?
ye know darth vader? what do his chest buttons do?
In regards to 4 and 5, some depictions of Eggman such as the recent IDW comics says he wouldn't go SamJack Season 5 Aku.
Sonic is just a stopgap from INTERGALACTIC CONQUEST.
Adventure 2, Unleashed, and Colors all state that his technology is space-worthy! He really can just conquer somewhere else were it not for his extreme hatred of that blue hedgehog. And its kinda scary to think that Sonic is powerful enough to stop the one man empire on a constant basis.
Notes from a member of the Sonic cult:
1. I recommend the Sonic Rush games if you want as little stop-and-go gameplay as possible. Dunno how you feel about DS emulation though.
2. It's not really your fault, but the number one reason for homing attack failure is not waiting long enough between A-presses.
3. Sonic is 15, Amy's 12. He's never shown much genuine attraction for anyone in the games, I think he's possibly asexual. In the comics he goes out with Sally, Mina and Fiona at various points, but *never* Amy. In the most recent cartoon they've got some mutual attraction, but Amy in that show is much more reserved, she never obsesses over him like in other media.
4. You're not wrong about the high-up controls. They're _especially_ terrible in this game. Barring the last level, to this day, I think Sonic CD might be the only Sonic game with no pits to fall in.
5. Do not feel any responsibility for the pinball controls, they are absolute fucking nonsense. The best advice I can give is "hold forward".
6. I literally did not realize this until last week when I played the game, but you're not actually supposed to mash the button on rails, you hold it down and use the stick to balance. It's deceptive, since in Adventure 2, you don't jump when you speed up, and in SHADOW, which is built off Heroes' engine, you DO mash the button.
7. There IS an AI-upscaled texture mod for this game, it's on Gamebanana, along with the mod loader you use to run it.
8. The checkpoints in this game aren't designed like the starposts and gates in just about every other Sonic game, that might be part of you ignoring them. Also, the game can be really stingy with them, even without your help.
9. This is the first and last game that Metal Sonic can magically turn liquid. Weirdly, both this game and Sonic Battle, which came out on the same day, have alternate storylines surrounding Shadow's amnesia and a robot that copies everyone else's powers.
10. The Tails rant is funny, because even creators on the series have no idea how it works. Tyson Hesse (redesigned movie Sonic, writes and draws for the comics) drew a parody comic a few years back called "Hedgehog the Sonic" where Tails attempts to fly with his arms and breaks all his bones.
11. The Shadow bit is so on-point, even modern material (mostly the comics and TV shows) uses it for comedic effect. Shadow is obsessed with the edge aesthetic to an actual fault. It literally almost gets everyone killed in the most recent arc.
12. The #1 fan of Knuckles is Ken Penders, the psychotic former comic writer who was so obsessed with adding echidna lore and characters, including "Enerjax" (actually Enerjak, with a K) that he sued Bioware over Sonic Chronicles for doing it themselves, then when SEGA and Archie counter-sued him, he managed to make it out of the whole ordeal with nearly every major Knuckles relative from the comics, which he's trying to make into a NEW comic book called The Lara-su Chronicles, which has some of the most disturbed and terrifying Sonic character art I've ever seen.
13. If you build up some speed, you can make that Mystic Mansion wall jump with Tails.
14. Eggman is the best character. He is consistently the most fun in terms of writing or acting.
15. Chaotix is a fever dream of a game. It's also really boring once you get past the art and sound.
16. I think Eggman is probably a defense contractor. In Sonic Battle, he sells E-series robots to companies looking for guards, the military robots in Adventure 2 and Rush are basically identical to his, just with less personality. That said, the Robotnik robots without animals are typically weaker than specialized badniks. Sonic Lost World has the animals again, and enemies are way harder to beat in that game.
17. Eggman's actual literal goal is transforming the world into a robotic amusement park where every citizen is constantly terrorized and possibly seriously injured. He almost accomplishes this in Sonic Unleashed, but that only happened because he broke the Earth into pieces.
18. The lack of a drop shadow is one of the biggest problems in both this game and Unleashed. It's not your fault.
19. Team Sonic's playthrough is hard, but if you've ever tried Team Dark, you will know how miserable a game this can be.
20. I did get the actual end to this game legitimately. It sucks.
21. While not a vampire, Ken Penders did write Knuckles as a stand-in for Jesus Christ at many points. He actually had so many magic powers and heroic prophecies bestowed upon him that current writer Ian Flynn dubbed Penders Knuckles "The Hot Pocket of Destiny".
22. This game DOES have crippling issues. It's programmed badly. The physics and collision are just very poor. Even at their worst, most other Sonic games function better than this one. 06 and Secret Rings probably don't, but even Sonic Boom doesn't kill you for no reason.
Cult member here, was about to answer all the questions too but this is spot on
Thanks sonic cult
WAIT A HOT FUKKEN SECOND
The guy who made Boxer Hockey did the sonic redesign? Christ it's weird to make a connection like that.
I appreciate the write-up.
Oh man I forgot about Ken penders
I love it how every time he hears "just enought to pass" his response is LESS AGGRESSIVE, as if the game is slowly breaking his spirit.
The moment it hits you that Amy recruited two toddlers and an adult with the mental capacity of one as her team is actually really telling. Ross, you amazing person you.
big was a toddler?
@@latviandragon2718 I guess Cheese is...
I mean, Amy is supposed to be somewhere between 8 and 12 so it tracks 😂😂
@@latviandragon2718 Cream and Cheese
@wildfirefox1 Yeah, I remember it was canon that Amy was 12 and Sonic was 16. If Sonic did date her, he'd be canceled on the internet these days afterward.
"Lost and confused while being exposed to images of Sonic being burned alive over and over again" seems like a pretty accurate description of the experience of being a Sonic fan for the past 25 years.
"Lost and Confused" would also be a great band name, but it's apparently taken.
@@AbandonedVoid "Confused and Lost"
@@AbandonedVoid The bewildered and forgotten
I think they should just give the license to FromSoft and we'll finally have a memorable Sonic game again.
As somebody who isn't a Sonic fan, but appreciates the classic 2D games, this is my expression looking at the series from the outside.
This is not a game I would have expected for Game Dungeon or to have gotten an hour long video. Let's go.
When Freema-I mean Ross doesn't take his daily dose of oxycodone, his big brain energy gets to be too much for his body and he's gotta go super fast, like Sanic.
I thought this was going to be an obscure dos game. So when he started to talk about sonic I had to check it from the video.
I actually avoided this video for the longest time, just because it didn’t seem like a Game Dungeon pick. That said, Ross theorizing stuff like how Eggman could probably legally take over the world by using his robots to outcapitalism everyone else is exactly what I’d want from him looking at games outside his wheelhouse.
And the Gamer Dementia thing. Besides starting that for when other games would gaslight him, yeah, that’s kind of a problem in Heroes. Say what you will about how glitchy 06 is, but it actually didn’t pull this crap. Some of its own crap, sure, but none of THIS.
Accursed Farms: "So, I'm going to have some questions for you TRUE Sonic fans by the end of this."
True Sonic fans: "Don't hold your breath. We are just as bewildered by Sonic Heroes as you are."
Basically Sonic Team accounts for 15% of all drug traffick in Japan.
The only questions I have is for the American lolcalization team who decided it would be a good idea to make up ages for them in the manual. It was nothing but fuel for flame wars, left and right.
I used to own this game, and have beaten Sonic Adventure several times.
we are all down bad even for being here.
33:19 I think the most impressive part about missing that checkpoint three times was Ross kept stopping/slowing down right next to it, then carefully maneuvering around it.
That's why Ross is one of the best. Sometimes he plays like crap, but at least he capable of being honest about it.
Just FYI, Big the Cat is voiced by John St. John in some games. In a recent interview for the Realms Deep event by 3D Realms he mentioned that he basically did the most stupid voice he could without any preparation - which apparently was exactly what the studio wanted.
Not the most dignified voice direction
he also diliberetly forgot how to do the voice i read. he hated it that much. not the character, but specifically the voice.
Just think, in an alternate timeline we had fat, furry, fishing-obsessed Duke Nukem on a quest to get his pet frog back.
“I’m here to kick ass and catch fish, and I’m all outta bait.”
I love the description of calling Big the Cat an enforcer. I'd love to see a mafia spin-off of Sonic where innocent Big has to go through terrible things to get his frog or whatever, but he doesn't know what he's doing. So he's just incredibly cruel in the most oblivious way possible
I don't know why but I can't get Big the Cat in Little China out of my head now.
You may want to look into the later Fleetway Sonic comics. Big's Froggy equivalent is _Chaos_, and it only gets crazier from there. What happens when Big gets a bounty on his head? Read and find out.
@@RougeMephilesClone Ah yes somebody else remembers the Fleetway comics. Where Super Sonic was less a super mode and more a psychotic and uber powerful alternate personality (seriously almost every time Fleetway Sonic went Super he would try and kill EVERYTHING in sight of him).
Sonic and his allies lived in fear of that happening, because after a while it didn't need the Emeralds anymore, he just had to get mad/frustrated enough like the Hulk.
Plus it went with the Kintobor origin story for Robotnik, where he was once a good man, but a failed attempt to cleanse evil from the land, ended with him instead absorbing it into himself.
Mafia x Sonic x Of Mice and Men
So like a Sonic version of Goodfellas? Although I could totally see Sonic getting hooked on Chaos Emeralds and having to go into Witness Protection.
"Officials can turn down only so many suitcases full of money"
Yah, that is pretty much how most corporations see government bodies when dealing with them.
If officials turn down *all* of the money...
Well, the assassins certainly won't...
And in the US, you need that money to be re-elected anyway.
I mean why not? The public thinks governments are the gatekeepers of every vital resource in the nation.
With that kind of power, it would be silly not to buy it.
@@roadent217 Reminds me of the Maltan reporter tjat put up a great fight but got killed with a car bomb.
@@OdaSwifteye so just hand it over to the corporations straight out then? what other solution do you propose.
I am impressed Ross never mentioned Sonic's weird single eyeball.
I agree that it looks pretty weird but it's pretty common for cartoon artwork to do that with the eyes. it's supposed to give the impression that one eye is overlapping the other to give it a bit of perspective. i don't think people really noticed it until they started making 3D sonic games, which makes sense since the conjoined eye thing was always just meant to be a 2D drawing technique.
I always thought goggle, after the fan comic art
The weird thing is, some of the artwork shows Sonic winking his pupil, like a cartoon character, and yet other times he has proper eyelids.
I'm guessing that's the least of this game's problems, so there's that.
"This must be about some obscure game that happens to share the name, he wouldn't make a video about 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 Sonic Heroes"
I appreciate Ross for actually taking the time to own up and admit that some of the pain he went through was due to his own misunderstanding of some of the game mechanics, there are so many people that will just call everything the game’s fault that hearing someone admit that it was their own fault is more refreshing than it should be
Other half was just the PC port's horrible unrefined state, which I can wholeheartedly attest to since sections of Grand Metropolis would move at triple speed or not send you far enough.
*coughcough* GAME GRUMPS *coughcough*
Let's be honest, most of Arin's flubs were because he was pressing buttons when he shouldn't have.
Speaking of which, aren't those laser beams color coded? So that Sonic is hurt only by the blue beam, Knuckles by red/pink beam and Tails by the yellow one?
@@adenowirus is that it?? I NEVER would have guessed.
@@adenowirus If that's true, it seems like something which the game fails to properly convey to the player.
For anyone who hasn't seen it, look up Sonic Heroes - Opening (In Production)
It's basically the intro but the song writers were still writing the lyrics as the song was being made, so the lyrics are literally just jumbled up words.
It's the best thing ever.
Seen it, seconded.
Wow, I've never heard any demo like it. Thanks!
th-cam.com/video/Xddu4wUWUhE/w-d-xo.html
"What's the deal with Amy?"
Answer: Bad writing.
an imbecile's idea of writing child-friendly characters
Some idiot's idea of a cute character trait when in reality it's a living nightmare.
@@JustSkram Japan's idea of a cute character. Remember Navi from Ocarina of time?
The Rotom Dex in Pokemon Sun and Moon?
It might be down to different scripts in the mother tongue of the series, but the Japanese tend to find characters like that endearing and cute.
and considering most of the main cast of Sonic's friends and rivals are 15 or younger... with Rouge being the oldest at 18.
Hay, Amy herself is friggin' 12, Sonic is 15. She's a pre-teen with a crush on an older kid.
When I was 5 I always thought it's supposed to make her look insane and that she was supposed to be obsessive and I thought it's fine. But I was a weird kid and I listened to Slayer when I was 5, so don't judge me!!!!
@@FizzieWebb navi is cute
Amy's childish borderline-psycho fixation on an older Hedgehog?
Dr Eggman's potential to legally and diplomatically control the world through minimum labour costs?
The theory of Tail's robotic ass?
For a casual Sonic fan, Ross could come up with some REALLY interesting fanfiction for the fandom.
Two of three of those things are canon, I'll let you figure out which.
@@CrazyRiverOtter Surely,Tail's robotic ass Is one of them!
The way Amy obesses over sonic when he puts it like that makes me sad because that's the behavior of a groomed child. it's how I acted during my teenager years after getting groomed by a 30 year old when I was 9 over habbo hotel.
ThePandaHatChick yeah but Amy is only 3 years younger than Sonic it really isn’t that big of an age gap as some people want to be... some people in real life get together with a 6-10 year age gap and depending on the age of both it is entirely acceptable
@@TenshiPrime sorry you had to endure that. luckily i don't think there is the possibility of grooming with sonic, sonic is trying to have nothing to do with her and trying to get away, the opposite of trying to build a framework of a relationship.
"If you like Sonic and abuse"
You just described modern Sonic fans
Sonic fans are like Microsoft fans, they are loyal but they are the first to complain and hate it
@@eng3d I think that goes for star wars fans as well. As well as fans of paradox games.
Honestly, I think you aren't a true fan unless you hate everything about it.
@@GamerGuy249 if you truly love something you can point out its flaws something the whole "fandom" culture seems to not understand at all
There almost synonyms.
@Stix N' Stones if halo is on there, why wouldn't DOOM?
Ross subconsciously avoiding checkpoints reminds me a lot on how many video game streamers always seem to overlook stuff when they play and then act surprised or annoyed that they were supposed to know the thing they've been ignoring.
"I feel like an abused animal that doesn't understand what it did wrong".
I'll be taking that analogy now, thank you very much.
As a man who works on a tech support phone desk, "It just worked and now it doesn't!" is literally a thing I hear every day and that joke made me laugh like a madman.
He’s not smart but he’s huge and he follows orders.
Ross got Bigs character down instantly.
The fundamental core of Eggman’s villainy is that the only thing bigger than his IQ (and his waistline) is his ego.
Sure, he _could_ turn his massive industrial base to taking over the entire planetary economy, but that wouldn’t satisfy him in the slightest.
Take a close look at all his inventions. Even the most dangerous and intimidating ones have whimsical, cartoonish forms and bright, toy-like paint jobs. The guy’s a manchild in almost _every_ sense of the word. His ultimate goal is to conquer the world and turn it into a giant amusement park/casino for him to play in. Turning animals into robots is just another expression of his desire to make _everything_ be about him. They’re _his_ robots that _he_ created, and they’re incapable of _not_ worshipping him with every fiber of their being. He wants to remake the world in his image, and that image is a never ending birthday party for him, a _Hello, Dolly!_ number that lasts forever. (A _Hello, Eggy!_ number, if you will.)
Sonic’s Old Guard like to think of the Archie Comic and _Sonic SatAM_ version of Eggman as the definitive version, but really the _Adventures of Sonic The Hedgehog_ take is more true to the character. Yeah, the one from _TH-cam Poop._ The boob with a hilariously inflated sense of his own sex appeal. _That’s_ the one that get’s it. Anyone who says otherwise either owns a Sally Acorn body pillow, or is Jim Carrey.
17:10 in case Ross somehow sees this comment. The reason you kept failing there is that there's a spring in the middle of that automated section that you're supposed to hit to launch you, in the 2nd and 3rd attempt you managed the miss the spring....how? no idea...but Switching to Tails help you because the hitbox for Tails form is wider than Sonic's so you were less likely to somehow miss the spring again.
Apparently he’s playing the PC port of the game (which I didn’t know existed until now), which another commenter has stated to have a lot more physics glitches. The fact that he’s playing it on much more advanced hardware than what was available when the game was released probably doesn’t help.
@@NerfPlayeR135 Which is something I find funny about this game, considering that Burnout 1 through 3 had superb PC ports and the RenderWare Engine isn't known to be a difficult to develop on or buggy engine.
The key to Tails is the fact that has multiple tails- in Japanese mythology, creatures with multiple tails are special, and they gain additional servings of Magical Bullshit Powers with each additional tail they grow. so it's roughly like if you saw a character in a pointy hat and a broomstick, and then she gets on the broomstick and flies away- it doesn't literally make sense, but it draws on a cultural reference point that would at least somewhat make sense in context.
tl;dr- magical bullshit powers.
That's a great analogy!
'Boy, Amy sure doesn't give up that easy.'
- 'Well she sure hit the ground easy.'
It's okay, these games never had fall damage...
Lol
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225 Never had fall damage!? LIVES WERE LOST! EXTRA LIVES!
39:33 Game tech artist/developer here.
About the dust/smoke/steam being brighter than the sun: this is a rendering optimization trade-off.
Rendering transparency, especially with multiple layers can choke the GPU on fill rate pretty quick. There's just too many math operations to do for these pixels on the screen. Additive transparency is cheaper than alpha blending, because you don't have to care about dimming the background before drawing a new layer on top so it's less math to do for each pixel on screen.
It works great for fire, plasma, magic and sparks, etc but unfortunately smoke becomes too bright. Still - doing alpha blending is much more expansive, especially if you have multiple smoke particles overlapping.
With static level geometry it's much easier to control how many layers of transparency can be rendered at any given moment so level designers can make sure it's not going to go over the frame budget. With particle effects, especially ones like smoke where each particle can take quite a lot pixels on screen this can result in nasty frame rate drops if the camera flies into a cloud of smoke.
You can see the same thing in NFS:MW when doing a donut - the burnout smoke is insanely bright when getting too dense.
"Now she's formed a team, she's brought Big the Cat as an enforcer" Is so funny to me.
Furry, fishing-obsessed Luca Brasi.
1. It's not just you, this game is notoriously buggy.
2. I think Tails actually *was* voiced by an actual 5-8 year old in this game.
3. Canonically, Sonic is 15 and Amy is 12.
4. Depending on who you ask (and how any given game is written) Amy is either hopelessly devoted to Sonic despite him not being interested in relationships at all; an annoying obnoxious fangirl turned psycho stalker who's gonna end up killing Sonic after he rejects her one too many times; or fangirl with a crush that's turned into a genuine affection and is actually maturing as time goes on. (The writers seems to try for the 3rd, but she often feels like the 2nd....to me anyway.)
5. The liquid metal thing was only in this game, never before and never again.
6. Tails' tails.....well you see [shoves sandwich in mouth and talks through it]...and that's how that works.
7. The real problem with Shadow is that one of the producers has flat-out *mandated* that Shadow be written to be an edgelord, and literally everyone hates it. He *had* character progression, and ironically this game was the high point. After this they even retconned Team Dark out of existence, because Shadow "doesn't have friends".
8. Your point about Robotnik is the same case that can be made for pretty much every supervillain: that they could easily make more money or gain more power the easy and legal way.
9. His "endgame" is to build a theme park. "Eggmanland". Some that was all he wanted to do from the start and that it's kind of Sonic's fault that he's escalated so much...that if Sonic hadn't stopped him Sonic 1 that he'd've built his theme park and that would've been that, but now the only thing Robotnik really cares about is getting his revenge and killing Sonic.
9. It's the one constant in Sonic games, even if the game's mediocre the *soundtrack* is *amazing*
10. Hyper Sonic according to SEGA is non-canon, so Super Tails and Hyper Knux are probably retconned too. So, as far as any of us know, no. The Emeralds don't turn him into a vampire. Also the Werehog was from Sonic Unleashed. Two words about Unleashed that you'll understand when/if you play it: "Battle Jazz".
Yeah, I feel like the tails thing ends quite poorly if you think about it too much, I see it as magic chaos energy shenanigans that allow his muscles to pass through each other, and keeps him from simply spinning out of control cause of poor stability.
His tail works like this
*train passes*
...and that's why he can fly.
You forgotten about team dark was also in sonic 06. And it continued shadows and gangs relationship as a team. It surprisingly made it better. Then unfortunately went backwards until what he is today, an edgy side character whos one toned and is used for fan service. Tragic..
@@ghostofdoom1941 True, I did overlook that Team Dark was pretty well done in '06. (Mostly because that game was an unfinished disaster, made more tragic by the fact that it had real potential to be amazing if it hadn't been rushed out to meet an arbitrary deadline.)
Even though their story (like the rest of the game) was riddled with holes from where things got cut/changed at the last second...
I can't even blame the writers, because I get the impression *they* want to be able to do more and better things with the characters too, but the producers, or at least one particular producer, has forbidden it and he unfortunately has enough power to enforce it...
I assume Tails is a shape-shifting kitsune
"See, Sonic has no money, so all he has to gamble with is his life." That's not a sentence I was expecting to hear this morning.
Also, nice Omelas reference!
ZAWA ZAWA ZAWA.
//Woah, Kaiji Ultimate Survivor?
"I'm another statistic for the great roulette wheel below" Iconic
I also hate dino-nuggets. The quality of the meat in them is trash.
I mean it's millions of years old so
There's actually a trick to getting the emeralds. The special stages in Amy's story mode are a lot shorter than the others.
Apparently also in the bonus stage, the emerald goes slower while in Power Formation, which makes catching up with it very easy
51:46 is just Ross creating the freedom fighters storyline without realising it. Like all the points he brought up are in the comics in addition to Eggman kidnaping and turning people into robots. Basically there was no legal way to stop him and Sonic became a revolutionary freedom fighter.
Robotnic's end goal is basically to turn everyone and everything into machines. He'll pollute the entire planet to the point no life can be sustained but it'll be fine since he'll have "fixed" everyone's "problem" of needing clean air or water in the first place. This also involves taking the need for sleep as well as freewill away from everyone, leaving himself as the last being of freewill on the planet.
"The last who feels the pain from the wound
The last to be birthed from the flesh of a womb
A wretched life in this altered place
There must be more I can embrace"
Sorry, I had to.
so he's a jolly cartoonish version of Karras
@@CassandraFortuna a THIEF FAN!? YASSS, don't see too many out in the open
Eggman's very much a believer in the old addage, _"in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."_ and the Roboticizer is his eye-gouging machine.
Yeah, the Archie series was one hell of a can of worms when it came to continuity, canonicity, and just plain old bad writing. Didn't help Ken Penders tried to do some really weird shit (like having sonic get cucked) before he got the boot, sued Archie, and took a bunch of characters with him. He took so many they had to restart the series with a timeline changing mcguffin (sucked too, really wanted to see the mecha-sally arch finish) to start the cannon over. Eventually Sega had enough an pulled the rights from Archie.
Ross's take on Amy and Sonic's relationship is surprisingly spot on.
No it isn't lol
@@urmomisurdad5422 I dunno man, I'm surprised he managed to get their ages (and therefore, the basic dynamic of their relationship) pretty much correct, most people I've seen who aren't part of the Sonic Cabal just assume they're around the same age; if they even think about the ages of Sonic characters at all.
Though IIRC, Amy's still a preteen after Adventure I think? I might be wrong.
@@LonelySpaceDetective Sonic was still like 10-15 around heroes so the age gap wasn't that dramatic. Sonic was just the "boy who doesn't reciprocate love" trope you see in media when the characters are kids, there isn't really anything to it.
@@urmomisurdad5422 poopoo peepee
@@buck_swope woowoo weewee
I was in stitches when Ross was describing Amy's only friends as being mentally challenged or not even sentient.
24:00 "All the pain I went through was for nothing, and it's my fault."
Story of my life
Sonic Heroes' grade isn't based on keys, rings, how many times you died, or any of that. The only thing that matters is how fast you completed the level. The larger that number on the timer, the lower the grade. By taking your time, enjoying the scenery, and trying your best not to die, you were basically ensuring that you consistently got the lowest grade period.
That's how the games have always been even in the classics iirc, time is the most important thing to the score by far
How fast you complete the level _in one take._
@@nicholastosoni707 Sorry, I forgot to mention that, and in fact counter-intuit that by saying that lives don't matter. You're right, though, fastest in one take.
@@hrothgardevaitos8330 How many times have I said "AAAAAARGH I HAVE TO DO THIS ON ONE BLOODY TAKE"
@@borederlands5387 Adventure 2 was its own mess but the mix of time bonuses and score attack mechanics its ranking system had worked really well, shame whichever poor bastard draws the short straw and has to make another Sonic has their own ideas on how the score should work
"If you like Sonic, and abuse, then I have to call this a must-play."
This was the most well-deserved sarcastic review of a game I've ever seen.
Actually I wasn't being sarcastic for that part.
@@Accursed_Farms I meant the whole review in general, sorry that wasn't clear.
Lmao when the game grumps finished it they said literally exactly the same thing
@@Accursed_Farms Thank you, Ross. I've felt like I'm in crazy town with everyone calling this one of the worst Sonic games, when it's at least the best 3D one.
The weird thing is that I'm pretty sure Ross just isn't a sarcastic person.
Tails' tails are flagella, that's how they spin around like that.
A couple fun facts from a Sonic Cultist.
Eggman *has* actually won a few times in different continuities. (Because of course there are reboots.) In all of them though he does actively seem to be taking control of the government and instituting his own law on top of policing and maintaining infrastructure. Now, depending on how cartoony the continuity is it might be laws like "No Fun Allowed," but even in the more serious plots he actually does maintain his position and work with the local governments he's supplanting. Mind you, he's an Emperor-type leader, full stop. Enforces his will through giant robot death fleets while slowly expanding his utopian city of "Eggmanland," which he seems to have as a passion project.
On the notion of "what if Eggman played by the rules," that's the set-up plot of Sonic Colours. Eggman manages to both build and *market* a space-station style amusement park only accessible by a *space elevator.* And considering the lengths he went to in design and infrastructure, it's not a joke or a ploy, this is legit. It's also a convenient way for him to colonize alien planets and literally exploit their local alien population for energy generation, but until then Sonic isn't even sure what he can call 'wrong'. Considering its *aliens* Eggman is exploiting in Colours, legally he wouldn't be touchable. Sonic is a full on vigilante to fix things in that game.
In certain continuities, Eggman does in fact have "employees" of a sort. However, they're largely all portrayed as either A) researcher aides who support his creation of new innovations, or B) mercenary squad leaders and local governors who enforce his will on regions. Notably, that second group is all loaded up with technology and implants, so Eggman can explicitly remote detonate in case his only military contractors turn on him. And until then, said implants give them a leg up on their opponents, so it's a win-win.
Finally, to address Knuckles and Tails not getting to have super forms, SEGA has been kind of... weird lately about super forms. General theory is after a few writers started getting _weird_ in the comics, including a roided-out magical Tails and Knuckles becoming a living Chaos Emerald (don't ask,) the company changed their tune about Super forms. Specifically, only *male* Hedgehogs are now allowed to use the Chaos Emeralds to transform into Super Forms. There's no reason why, just cutting down the number of people allowed to go super to Sonic, Shadow, and Silver from '06. ...And Blaze, but she's using a parallel dimension's Sol Emeralds to transform, so she doesn't count. It's weird even for us.
Oh, and according to the comics, Sonic doesn't have a cousin... But Amy does. "Rob O' The Hedge," a Robin Hood archetype who lives in a Ye Olde style kingdom and talks with all the For Soothes you could ask for. Why? ...Fuck, I dunno man, at some point you just sit back and enjoy the ride. Knuckles has the right idea.
There's also Scourge, the clone? Mirror universe counterpart? Of Sonic? The Green Sonic that's an edgelords like Shadow.
Wait muscle tails was real? I thought that was like a Tails Gets Trolled situation, WTF.
A lot of Ross's issues with the "gamer dementia" reminds me of the climbing puzzles in Assassin's Creed games where you've climbed perfectly for the past hour only to jump the opposite direction and it costs you tons of time.
I played this on my Gamecube when I was 7 years old. I DID NOT imagine a game like this ever being on Ross's Game Dungeon. I have no idea what to expect. This is gonna be emotional
Same with the PS2!!!! I'm hyped
It definitely was emotional.
it's the first time he's playing something I've played, or even heard of before.
@@alfonzo_ same. I have a wierd mix of nostalgia and deeply rooted frustration
Remember Bip Bop? That was certainly unexpected.
If you don't remember, check the comments under that video.
Apparently the question about why Robotnik wanted to take over was because he really does think that he's just that awesome. He wants the entire world singing his praises. And he wants a perfectly ordered world with himself at the helm. And he is that order.
The lengths he's willing to go, the means he tries to use, and the amount of human suffering he's willing to cause all seem to vary from game to game, but the closest that exists to a contiguous end goal for Eggman seems to be... building the world's greatest *amusement park,* of all things.
According to Sonic Adventure, his endgoal was to destroy Station Square and build "Robotnik Land" on its ruins. The interesting thing is that he doesn't refer to it as a nation, or some kind of new world order, but simply "the ultimate *city,* where I will rule it all!" This implies that, while he does want the entire world under his thumb, presumably for the sake of resources, labor, and simply preventing threats from appearing elsewhere, his true passion project is actually something relatively small, effectively being the absolute ruler of a region the size of a large US city.
In Adventure 2, people commonly state that Eggman is attempting to destroy the world with the Eclipse Cannon, but this isn't actually true. He threatens to turn the weapon on individual nations, but after tripping a planetary destruction protocol on accident, he turns tail and helps save Earth from extinction. No true goals were established, but this DOES rule out death and destruction as a goal of its own.
In Sonic Unleashed, we get to see Robotnik Land (or "Eggman Land") come to fruition. It is, fittingly enough, a city-sized themepark, though interestingly we don't see anyone living there. So while Eggman isn't aiming to wipe out humanity, it's not clear if and to what extent he actually *wants* to share his dream metropolis with other people.
Colors is a bit of a weird case, because in this game he creates an even bigger amusement park, in *space,* though even those things are both major understatements because in order to achieve this he *abducts multiple dwarf planets and attaches them to Earth via a space elevator.* What makes this a weird case (aside from just being a bonkers scenario in general) is that he DOES succeed in building the greatest amusement park ever, does it legally (technically,) and even has Sonic and Tails not CERTAIN if anything is amiss. Life goal achieved, right? Well, not exactly. The amusement park itself is actually a front to extract energy from a bunch of aliens, and use said energy to power a planet-wide mind control ray. We are, once again, left with absolutely no information on what he'd USE the mind control ray to make people DO, but you know what? I wouldn't be shocked if "build an even bigger amusement park" was the answer.
I mean, in the SatAM cartoon at least, Robotnik basically said "Fuck it" and launched a full-on military coup, effectively taking over a huge chunk of the planet, installed himself as self-appointed leader, turned most cities into dystopian Cyberpunk nightmares and it's citizens into subservient robots, leaving Sonic and his friends to become contra resistance fighters.
And the old Archie comics too, but all that is super non-canon
"He had no money so the all he had to gamble with was his life"
If there was ever an epitaph for my tombstone, this is it.
as a power plant maintenance mechanic i can say fixing the robots the local wildlife breaks after the corkscrew is the worst part of my day
Regarding the tails flying tailspin thingy stuff: There are types of flagellas on some microorganisms that actually work like this. Kinda like a motor where it actually lets the flagella spin around it's own axis instead of making it move some other way. It's probably the second-biggest argument of creationists (after the eye) that it couldn't have evolved in parts that work together, but that's a whole different can of worms. And tbh i have no idea why i wrote all this...
Its kinda hard to believe that these creationists would think that a microorganism that evolved that way would be so important
They're wrong about the eye too lol
@@billhughes1170 The argument (I am undecided on the matter personally, but I am familiar with YEC rhetoric) is that the propulsion method of the flagellum is so complex and relies on so many interconnected parts that it would be mathematically impossible for it to have developed through random mutation.
@@RabbiHerschel I'm of the camp that something manipulated life on this planet, but from our perspective it wasn't a quick or simple process.
@@RabbiHerschel What are you on about? It isn't impossible and it wasn't a random mutation. It was MILLIONS OF SMALL MUTATIONS. All changing something until you get your complex organs. Bad education is the sole reason for people not understanding this and also why there are so many freaking creationists in the US.
Eggman has a plan
He wants to build a massive park like a giant Disney world
More like turning the whole world into an amusement park.
Doesnt he fracture the entire planet into pieces just to do that?
Eggman has a plant.
An Eggplant.
@@atlasbot Fracture the planet and almost summon shadow satan.
Yeah, but that's still evil.
Ross’s Game Dungeon is my favorite series on the entire TH-cams.
Agreed, always checking my subscriptions for a new one!
good taste commander
planescaped Thanks for the tip! I always need more.
I would also recommend Mandalore Gaming. Similar content to Ross, his reviews are on more unique games and makes them funny!
Burge the Nomad Thanks! Will check it out too.
Ross contemplating the lore implications of Eggman having a robot labor force and his Deus Ex video lead me to believe that he has those intrusive thoughts that haunt you in the night all the time
Eggman's endgame is usually implied to be turning EVERYBODY into robots, like, after he takes over, he builds a crapton of conversion machines and turns the entire planet into his clockwork toybox, which is both a concrete goal and fairly necessary to stop.
It'd also explain why he keeps taking the military route, as no amount of biased laws are going to get the entire population into a soul-eater machine without a gun to their head. [Well that and bribing idiots and making consumer goods is just not as FUN as blowing up cities.]
In Sonic Adventure 2, which I don't think is officially non-canon yet, it was implied that his central motivation is disillusionment, he resents humanity itself and wants to 'fix' it, the only way he knows how, by building robots; and that he very specifically doesn't want to take the route of 'serving' humanity [which consumer goods and being a good little capitalist... kind of... counts as] after seeing how terribly it worked out for his grandfather.
This isn’t some obscure 90’s point and click adventure game.
*What the hell’s going on here??*
Is this the real Ross?
When everything's surprising, nothing's surprising. A main series game from a popular franchise is the ultimate curve ball.
Yeah, but I would say if you're not a hardcore Sonic fan, you probably missed this one. It doesn't seem to have the nostalgia factor that a lot of other Sonic games have.
This but unironically. Such a waste of a Game Dungeon if you ask me. Still nice to hear Ross bashing the jank.
I mean it's not the first time that he makes a GD about a not so obscure or semi-mainstream game
Another great line to take out of context
"I can't be with a 12 year-old. That's not cool."
- Ross Scott
That actually sounds a lot better out of context
"does he have a metal ass?"
"I like to hear how Tails is screaming"
That's NO good!
Ross, tails tail works by rotating half a clockwise turn then reverse, and creates lift by altering the shape of the tail back and forth. The reason it looks like a propeller is because the rotation speed matches your screen refresh rate.
Mystery solved.
I love Ross's complex relationship with Knuckles. He keeps antagonizing him in moments like 30:53 but then he sounds really hurt at 49:30 when he thinks Knuckles mocked him for absolute no reason.
33:20 The mold gave him brain damage
"If you like Sonic and abuse, this is a must play."
Oh Ross. That could apply to so many Sonic games.
So, sonic dreams....
@@chessmeister596 Sonic Dreams does not count.
@@OdaSwifteye awww.
That could apply to being a sonic fan in general
One of the best parts of this video is Tom's dramatic reading of "Knuckles Vses the Fox Power".
I was today years old when I learned that Tom IS Peter Chimaera. He wrote it.
30:30
"This is the largest gun I have seen since Quake 2"
Oh my God that reference. Thank you so much for that. Made my day to see someone remember that.
It's probably the size of the real-life Gustav Cannon. Except the Gustav gun wasn't a Quad-barrel.
I really hope the Cult of Sonic doesn't kill Ross.
Don't worry. They are currently killing themselves fighting about whether this is a good Sonic game or not.
It all depends on which camp you visit I suppose. Some are better for free-agent civilized discussion than others, some have better social cohesion, some generate more original memetic content, and then some are just periodically raided by the deviants looking to raise hell... long stories for sure!
The mold will get him first. And them it will get them. And us.
They will kill us all eventually
Ross knows his way around cults. He'll be fine.
There's something almost arcane about Ross baiting "hardcore" sonic fans. It feels as if we're separating some kind of law of reality.
Did i switch timelines at some point?
No, it's more like looking into the guts of a "quantum computer".
36:13 Reminds me of this creepily well-made anatomical art some brony made that explained when ponies held things with a hoof, there were hair sized tentacles that came out kinda like Sam Raimi Spider-Man.
Something similar was said about the powerpuff girls.
Any links/names of this artpiece?
It's super refreshing too see such a positive take on a 3D Sonic game outside of the usual echochamber. Ross really is one of the best on TH-cam at this.
With my genuine praise out of the way, here's my responses to the questions asked in excruciating detail. I treated this as homework :
1. Amy's obsession with Sonic is based on some old lore from Sonic CD that she was obsessed with weird occult fortune telling and figured out Sonic was her destined soulmate via Tarot Cards and went to meet him. Sonic CD happens and he basically saves her life thus furthering her autistic obsession with him. Sonic is likely not interested at all due to him either being an MGTOW volcel, or because he is a disgusting freak fetishist who is only attracted to women outside of his own species (I have evidence to back this claim up.)
2. Metal Sonic was likely upgraded in-between Chaotix and Heroes, as he is seen in a Stasis Tube in Sonic Adventure and is outright stated to have been upgraded from his base form as Neo Metal Sonic. The liquid property itself likely comes from Chaos' DNA, as he demonstrated similar capabilities. As for why Eggaman never uses him much after this, he doesn't exactly have the best track record in either actually doing his job or not betraying him.
3. Tails' flying like another comment said has probably got something to do with the Kitsune myths about flying multitailed foxes and is a very visual way to illustrate his cleverness extending to even how he moves. How it physically works is simple, it's the same way Strong Bad types with Boxing Gloves.
GENERAL EGGMAN QUESTIONS :
Eggman's actual end goal is to build "Eggmanland" which is basically an entire Planet/Metropolis-sized tribute to himself with literally no other purpose than to fulfill every last one of his manchild fantasies. The issue with this; and what actually would happen if he ever won or was left undeterred, is shown in Sonic CD, wherein he completely drains a planet of its resources and completely rapes nature and basically all living things including trees are dead, even his own machines are breaking down because they are no longer able to acquire resources to sustain and repair themselves. Eggman meanwhile is totally oblivious to the hell he has caused and the fact his own empire will inevitably crumble around him, as he is too busy mindlessly enjoying his land designed specifically to amuse him and worship himself. Seems to have forgone this in favor of just purposely spiting Sonic in recent years.
Due to the fact he operates outside of the Sonic Universe's globalist united government, he is just considered one massive terrorist entity, though he must covertly operate some manner of businesses as shown in Sonic Battle. Also he actually DOES have overseer robots, most notably the EggRobos in Sonic 3K which were basically designed to do everything he would need to do when he couldn't do it, and some sources even imply he can directly control them.
EMERALD WEED:
Knuckles does not turn into a Vampire. Some of his official art in Adventure DOES give him his Sonic 3 Sprites MegaChompers, and this can somewhat be seen on the Dreamcast model a little better with all the characters having varying degrees of them.
Underrated comment.
Evidence? You mean sonic '06? I thought sonic fans have perfected ritual lobotomization to remove all memories of that game from their head.
@@anonvideo738 That’s got to be the best summary of the fandom’s relationship with 06 I’ve seen
19:24
Knuckles: “Just enough to pass.” :)
Ross: “Go to HELL.”
That was gold.
XD
Game: no u
48:18
Knuckles: “Just enough to pass.” :)
Ross: [Uncontrollable sobbing]
Mousazz ikr! XD
"Does Knuckles turn into a vampire?"
No, instead he turns into some kind of armored evil demigod named Enerjak.
that is true
No, that was his great, great, great.........uncle originally named Dimitry when he tried to syphon off the energy of 11 chaos emeralds.
Sonic: "Shaa!"
Ross: "Shaa."
Me: "Why does that sound... familiar...?"
My Hollow Knight PTSD: *SHAW!*
*IDINA*
*H E G A L E*
@@severalcakes3267 GITGUD!
I think it was actually Knuckles that was doing the 'Shaa,' not Sonic.
fun hint that is often overlooked in this game because it isn't exactly well explained, when your on the rails, though the button to move fast looks like you need to tap it your actually supposed to hold the button down and thats how you speed up on rails. This is how your suppose to dodge the laser and get enough momentum foward off the rails.
Not going to lie: hearing about knuckles mania is the funniest thing I’ve seen in a while.
I was lifting weights while watching and the Knuckles Mania game nearly made me drop a dumbell on my toe from laughter. XD
& Knuckles & Knuckles & Knuckles
Please Help Me
A game made around the Triple Q remix
42:20 ish
I need the name of that song for reasons
"An FPS with a good soundtrack."
Next episode is probably Painkiller judging from the few times times Ross used it's OST in other videos.
Just in time for Halloween too.
It's not going to be Painkiller. Civvie hasn't tackled it.
He did hinted things on his video chats ever since August 2019.
It's a GAME Civvie-11 tackled. It will be a complement to him, and will address things he did not. An FPS game WITH GREAT MUSIC. It's ALSO NOT UNREAL!
I guess things are going to get SERIOUS on the next Game Dungeon Episode, eh?
@@Nevermore2790 I was hoping it'd be Starship Titanic.
@@Nevermore2790 good catch
@@Nevermore2790 I'm thinking things will get either Serious, or Sinful. Ross hinted in the past that he has some things to say about the latter that nobody knows about.
Those graphics have actually held up surprisingly well. Hard to believe it's been almost 20 years.
The gameplay, on the other hand...
Robotnic may have an army of lawyers but they're all robo lawyers and not legal entities so they'd have as much say in court as a chicken wing in a toaster.
Gonna give a shot at the Sonic Lore Master Questions:
1. Most manuals tend to refer to Sonic as 15 and Amy as 12, so your assessment is fairly correct. In recent years the writers have toned down her crush on Sonic a lot, but it still shows up from time to time. Between the Genesis games and the 3D games, there's a bit of a time skip where the whole cast seems to get a little older, and Amy seems to have changed the most, going from a young girl to more like a young teen. Whether Sonic is interested in her, or women in general really, varies a bit between the various pieces of Sonic media. Keep in mind that the Sonic series has had a LOT of different writers between the games, the comics, the TV shows, etc. so it can get really dicey as to what's canon or not. The American media like SATAM and the Archie Sonic comics seem to like the idea of Sonic having a love interest more than most of the Japanese media, where he's depicted as a free spirit who doesn't want to get tied down in a relationship.
2. I'm not 100% on this, but I think the explanation for Metal Sonic being able to transform like that is because he copied the DNA of Chaos, the water monster from Sonic Adventure. Somehow Robotnik must have gotten a sample of Chaos before he ascended to heaven at the end of that game. Actually, in Sonic Adventure 2, one of the enemy types is a series of man-made replicas of Chaos which were created 50 years before the events of the game by Robotnik's grandfather while he was on board a space colony. So maybe Robotnik just used some samples from those guys to build a new Metal Sonic.
3. No one knows. There's a common fan theory that his tails are connected to a ball joint, like your shoulder, but it's easier to just chalk it up to someone at SEGA (Yashushi Yamaguchi in this case, a.k.a. "Judy Toyota") just thinking it would make for a cool visual and not thinking too far past that. This is a very common design philosophy in the Sonic series. For example, in Sonic Unleashed, Robotnik fires a giant laser into the earth and splits it into seven chunks, but most people and societies are doing just fine aside from being mildly worried about purple demon monsters possessing random people.
4. Kind of getting a little off track from the direct portion of the question, but I love Eggman/Robotnik as a character so this is my excuse to talk about him. It's been shown that Robotnik does have robot underlings that manage the bottom-tier robots. Not to mention that in one of the racing game spinoffs (Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity) he's shown to have a stranglehold on the hoverboard industry. As to why Robotnik doesn't take over the world legitimately, I think it's part of a wonderful and underappreciated aspect of his character. The core conceit of Eggman is that he has the greatest mind and intellect in the world, but the personality of a spoiled child. He causes massive amounts of property damage, makes death machines shaped like cartoon insects, and sends entire armies after one hedgehog because the hedgehog likes to make fun of his appearance. If you were a 7 year old with unlimited resources trying to take over the world, that's what you would do, too! His main goal in a lot of Sonic media is to turn the world into a giant theme park! I guess he is sort of a competitor to Disney in that regard.
Overall I never expected a full on Sonic video from you, and especially not concerning one of the most well-known Sonic games. My inner Sonic cultist did cringe a few times when you badmouthed Shadow but I understand your reasoning. Overall a great watch!
Regarding 2), Metal Sonic stole the Chaos genes from Froggy and Cream's Chao friend, I think, rescuing whom is the motive for the Team Rose subplot. Cheese the Chao having Chaos genes is kind of a contrivance, but it makes enough sense if we assume Chaos is a Chao, which he probably is, judging from the existence of Chaos Chao. That is how Metal Sonic gained Chaos powers, rather than Eggman keeping Chaos samples around
I think, I haven't played this game in years
There’s Sonic, and his two droogs, Knuckles and Tails sitting in the Milkbar drinking milk-plus and getting ready for a bit of the old ultra-violence. 👁
"What's it going to be then, eh?"
Milk-plus? C'mon man, they eat chili dogs laced with speed.
@Zoomer Waffen A reference to _A Clockwork Orange_.
The reason you sometimes live or die during the Bingo Highway part, is if one of the team members just happen to still be standing on solid ground, it might teleport you to them instead of killing you, if the game feels like it.
1: "What's the deal with Amy?"
Sonic saved her life from Metal Sonic in Sonic CD. She fell in love with him. Sonic does not go for her because she's 12 (in Heroes. She's even younger in CD, ostensibly 8), and 13 is the national statutory minimum in Japan (furthermore, most prefectures still mandate 16 as a minimum). Also, Sonic's 15 in Heroes.
1.5: Very high up. Very high
2: "When did Robotnik get a liquid metal robot?"
This game. It's is the latest build of Metal Sonic. Previous builds can be seen in Sonic 2 (Mecha Sonic 1), CD (Metal Sonic), and 3 (Mecha Sonic 2). Metal Sonic and Mecha Sonic 2 can be seen in tubes in Sonic Adventure 1
3: "How does Tails fly?"
With his tails, duh. But seriously, he's a kitsune, it's magic, we don't know.
3.5: There's a subtle genius to Shadow's tryhardness. He was originally envisioned as a character named Terios the Tenrec. A tenrec is a creature known as a fake hedgehog (suddenly a lot of dialogue in Adventure 2 makes sense). You're right in that no character will be cooler than Sonic--that's Shadow's whole point, he's artificial, manufactured, brandname cool and he's ultimately a failure at it just as he's a failure at being the ultimate lifeform when ultimately he's a copy of Sonic built from a prophecy, but he eventually grows into his own character when he finally stops chasing Sonic's shadow
3.75: WAY TOO HIGH!
3.9: He does indeed have robot overseers guiding and micromanaging other robots. He could indeed undercut every industry (and does make the world's best theme park in Colors), but the point isn't making money, it's taking money. His personal grudge against GUN is his dominant motivation as of Adventure 2. But even when we consider the robot labor, he must be getting funded in some way. Headcanon: He's funded by GUN to unearth cosmic horrors and point the hedgehog at them (it keeps happening!)
4: "How would we stop Robotnik legally?"
Filibuster and a law requiring a human spokesman to lobby and address congress.
5: "What is Doctor Robotnik's endgame?"
To build Robotnikland, the ultimate city/amusement park!
But seriously, it's revenge on GUN. Because they killed his cousin, Maria, and grandfather, Gerald, and ruined his family name. And yes, world domination is on the table as it was in Forces
Extermination of the animals on South Island, Westside Island, and Christmas Island is an unlikely end goal.
6: "Do the Chaos Emeralds turn Knuckles into a vampire?"
No. Sadly, the Super Emeralds and the Hyper forms they bestow are considered noncanonical
if you ever want to see how deep the Sonic rabbit hole goes, check out the youtube channel Deepest Lore: th-cam.com/channels/5a5ADQFv2MlOZ7d23z07ag.html
i don't know, but i feel like the sonic storyline is kinda dark, not the games itself, robotnik's character is kinda dark now that you mention all that
"... chasing Sonic's *shadow"*
I see what you did there
Vanilla, Cream and Bunnie better be at the bottom of that rabbit hole, I tell you whaut
That part where you went over team rose and Big the cat had me dying
As a lifelong Sonic fan, my answer to all your questions are: "I don't know."
this game is weird as shit, man. but i love the levels and music.
I think this game gets a lot of unwarranted shit
@@mvnkycheez way too buggy tho...
@@mvnkycheez its buggy and on ps2 (best selling console ever) the framerate is inconsistent and low to begin with.
At 14:30 you're not crazy, platforming in those areas is difficult because there's no shadows under the objects you're trying to interact with. It's standard practice for 3rd person 3d platformers like this to have shadows directly under your character and everything you can interact with. They're necessary visual queues that tell you where you are in relation to things.
I'm a pretty big sonic fan and when i heard you say that you didnt like shadow, i felt that. he was actually really good in sonic adventure 2, he had an interesting story and motivations. if you look at sa2 shadow, and then look at every other shadow, you might find that they kinda really ruined him, like a lot. i mean, he DIED at the end of sa2, but now he's alive because reasons that i dont want to get into! TLDR shadow was good, then sonic heroes/ shadow the hedgehog(the game) happened.
Ross, regardless of how this turns out, you're the real hero here
I remember reading a somewhat obscure Sonic fact book titled "Stay Sonic" that I believe was from '93. In that book, they explain that Tails'... uh... tails were double-jointed, allowing him to spin them like a propeller. As far as I'm aware, that's the only explanation for Tails' abilities that has ever been given. I hope that helps
11:17 he doesn't say "too easy" but "two E, C" because those are the scores you got in the las three levels ;P
I'm under the belief that since Tails is a technical wiz, he engineered a butt-plug propeller..