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- Are you ready to boost your effectiveness in Guild Wars 2 with one simple step!? Good cause That step is to leave this gear prefix in the dust!!! Or is it? A bit ago I made a comment on how I think celestial gear is crap, though in jest the comments showed a clear show of favor for the Celestial gear, so I went ahead and looked into it and came out with unchanged opinions! For real though, I do go into the benefits of having the prefix, as even though I don't like it, there is some plus sides to having it on hand.
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Celestial gear is pretty much the meta at WvW roaming, and the best gear for solo open world PvE builds in 7.5 of the 9 professions IN gw2. It also produces the best bruisers at the game. It has a massive gear points advantage over 3 stat gear (+74.38%) and 4 stat gear (+59.45%) so as long as you build takes advantage of every stat is overpowered (so much that was banned from PvP). And happens that most of professions have builds able to fully bank the stat advantage celestial provides. Also, to put it in perspective: a solo celestial Mirage build for OW still reaches 22k dps playing alone, and a solo celestial Vindicator reaches 17k while being essentialy immortal. That's how "trash" celestial gear is.
This basically covers everything.
Celestial gear was so broken in PVP it got banned.
In WvW its consider the best gear for most Roaming builds and you can easily transition to Zerging with no drawbacks.
Closet to 80% of all the TOP Soloing OW builds run celestial and you can take most of the builds into Endgame content with no issues.
Its only bad with it comes to Super Try Hard gamers doing Late game content. For Speed run purposes. Those people are less that 2% of the entire GW2 players base.
In short it Dominates ALL PVP game modes and Its the best for Soloing the game.
Are there better builds in the game than Celestial. Yes. However some of them are situational good. While Celestial builds are always good.
You only NOT use cele in wvw roaming when you want to play “challenge mode”
@@joespart4782 Well, depends: celestial brings nothing to Bladesworn and Bladesworn roamers run pure power builds; Willbender is also more powerfull in dragon + marauder stats than in celestial, since you do a lot more damage and sustain in WB is based in mobility and disengaging, not in tanking and recovering. So yes, celestial is best for most of roaming/small scale specs, but there's exceptions.
But I find strange when people moans about players using cele in WvW while demanding berserk or viper in instanced content: dude, the best is the best, and celestial is oftenly the best gear in slot for a lot of builds in WvW and solo OW PvE.
WE ALL STOPPED WATCHING WHEN WE SAW HIM USING A SHORT BOW Oo
Short bow go pew pew
Celestial is a prefix for equipment within Guild Wars 2 with attributes evenly distributed to every stat within the game.
Celestial has the most raw stats of any prefix.
Due to the fore-mentioned information above, it can be a hit and miss prefix, depending on how many of the stats your class/spec can utilize.
Celestial is the most 'Bang-for-the-Buck' prefix if you can make use of all the stats it provides.
Celestial becomes worse the fewer stats you can make use of.
There-fore Celestial as a prefix isn't 'Over-Powered' nor is it 'Trash' as a stand-alone prefix.
But how the prefix is used in-tandem with the amount of stats one can utilize within it.
You sound like a wiki page. My initial voice over had a small section on raw numbers but a dog started barking and I didn’t wanna re-record. Lazy, yes, but at the same time I wanted tog eat the video out before I left for work
I know it has its place in certain activities and playstyles but I find it to be a replacement for what I find to be one of the more fun parts of the game, which is min maxing the stats
I'm going to keep using celestial gear not only because you are wrong, but because you are also coping. Players like you ruin games so much, please find another hobby.@@itsnanablitz
Cele Ele gang gang
In general, I wouldn't be into celestial style on most games, but GW2 does it so well that I enjoy it very much.
A few things, one, your target dummy scenario is pure power vs celestial with a pure power weapon. Celestial has condition damage and expertise, which increases condition duration. All weapons with a condition damaging effect also have a power damage effect. Ergo, with a condition weapon, you would dip into all five stats (Precision, Power, Ferocity, Condition Damage, Expertise), thereby gaining a higher stat distribution. For example, a legendary helmet with Berserker has 63 power, 45 precision, and 45 ferocity, or a stat allocation of 153. With a Celestial legendary helmet, you have 30 to all stats. 30x5 = 150. If you take into account Condition Damage and Expertise, I'd actually like to see how that performs with raw DPS numbers. Also, I think the point is that Celestial is way overbudget on stats, since you get another 4 stats baked in for 120 additional stat budget on a legendary helmet, with vitality, toughness, healing power and concentration. So it's scarcely invalid for every pure DPS build. In addition, it significantly increases your survivability.
Second, your argument is essentially that pure DPS build does more DPS. Yes, it does. But that also brings into question why you would build any of the other affixes that scatter your offensive power, for example, Knights, which has ++Toughness, +Power, + Precision. Why on earth would you take that over Celestial? Isn't every other gear affix in the game also trash by your logic? Why pick out Celestial when it's far more balanced and effective than, for example, Bringers, or Commanders gear affixes. The other problem to consider is that healing power has exactly one stat affix that governs its effectiveness, whereas power DPS has three. How does one optimize for that? There isn't exactly an effective generalist "support" affix outside of Celestial.
Regarding WvW, roaming is a thing. Celestial gives you an equivalent distribution of both offensive and defensive stats. Yes, your raw DPS number might be higher against the same target dummy, but is it going to be higher relative to another player that has drastically more hit points, more power damage reduction, more healing power, and even higher boon duration to boot? I suspect you would find that your power DPS would be reduced by the Celestial players toughness, and he would be healing more on a higher base HP pool to cushion your burst....meanwhile you would be squishier and less versatile. Put another way, there's a reason that Celestial stat allocation and budget don't exist in structured PvP.
This video hasn't done enough research. WvW has two distinct different types of play which is roaming and zerg. In WvW, Celestial is the go to build for roamers because it's tanky in that you get more sustain with better healing, more vitality and tougness while still having damage. Yet, the video just references Zerg play where Celestial isn't even the meta. You're likely running Minstrel as a support in the Zerg and Marauders if you're a DPS in the Zerg.
But, yes, Celestial is the jack of all trades which is needed in solo play because you have to rely on yourself to survive, do damage, be tanky and maintain all the necessary boons. It's why the testing shown is flawed since it's made for a perfect world DPS scenario with all the boons a support will usually give you which you're really only going to have in strikes, raids, fractals, dungeons and big meta events. Most of the time, you're gonna have to rely on yourself in the Open World PvE which Celestial does because it ups your toughness, vitality and gives concentration to maintain boons yourself to get up to the 25 might and fury most solo builds want. A lot of builds are not fully maintaining that on your own with just Berserker gear. Cele can do all that while still giving you some damage stats. It's not that Cele is just a jack of all trades build. But, to do Legendary bounties solo, do certain HoT hero challenges solo or solo an entire event by yourself, you need to be a Jack of All Trades since you need boons, tankiness, sustain and damage which Celestial is the best for. Try soloing a Legendary bounty in full Berserker or Viper's gear... Good luck if you're not a Warrior/Berserker/Bladesworn or a Vindicator. Almost every viable PvE solo build runs Celestial for this reason.
Do I like this? No. I wish more build paths were available to viably solo the harder content in the game. But, it's what we got.
Your not wrong on the testing bit but not for the right reason buffs or no the power would have still outpaced the celi, I only did perfect buffs cause I wasn’t gonna use longer clips as it starts to look all glitchy if I speed things up more then like 10-15 times. Also my brother in iron legion, the video is a joke, the research done was Basicly “I made it the fuck up” sense most of what my opinions are built on is how I played and have experienced the game in my now 500 hours. That being said, nothing beats viper gear, viper gear will win us the Super Bowl , I love viper gear, Nobel prize winner viper gear is, better then sliced bread hell yeah
That being said I think honestly anything with a minor in either toughness or vitality will work fine for survival, that’s what I use when I’m solo, which isn’t often admittedly but it’s still served me well. I reccomend carrion gear for condi solo builds
@@itsnanablitzAgainst the dummy, you will outpace the cele, but that isn't real world application which was my point. You'd be dead or have many instances where your damage will drop because of your lack of survivability in full Viper or Zerker gear. You're gonna have to dodge and do hit and run to even have a chance to survive solo against hard congent which was my entire point. You're likely getting one or two shot. Cele builds can tank and keep their DPS numbers up way better and in practice will do better damage just by being able to live long enough to do it. It's not just about the minor vitality and toughness increase. Like, I was hammering home earlier, it's the healing increase, boon sustain and all that helps you be more survivable. It's everything in combination with what Cele gives on top of the vitality and toughess increase.
You are wrong. I cite the ending of Avatar the Last airbender as proof. Firelord specced full glass cannon and got dunked by the balanced Avatar. Lol. Jokes aside I feel like cele ele is way more fun than min max. So many parts of ele, like attunements, are always available and gearing for just damage or just support always feels like cutting off your legs. It renders half the things you can do useless. Guardian and a few elite specs are also probably satisfying to play as cele but no other was designed from the ground up, weapons, traits, and class skills, to be hybrid like ele is. I get your point though. Very few weapon, utility, or class skills have decent condi, power, and healing available to feel like you're being a good hybrid instead of just being able to hot swap between being meh at 3 things.
Untamed viper/carrion go brrrrrr
Say this to the Celestial Willbender who keeps downing me in WvW
This spec is hybrid (condi from F1 active effect, power from weapon and Virtues traitline) so Celestial is highly benefitial.
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I'm playing a level 80 of every class and I haven't decided on builds yet. So I thought about getting Celestial so I can swap between 3 classes and use it for any build or any mode. But you might have convinced me to just go power again xD. Maybe for medium I will still get celestial because hunter, engi, and thief have strong condi and roaming builds.
I don't play often, so having celestial gear saved me alot of time crafting or farming the content that can provide gear. And since sometimes i change builds often, having celestial to keep myself on a decent level, is more than enough for me. I find having specific gear for specific builds more of an advantage for people who play often and have very specific goals in mind. For very casual players, celestial is a good pick in my opinion. I started gw2 in 2020, and so far i have only 3 characters, didn't max out crafting, nor did i get any legendaries, as those aren't my thing. But then again, it's a matter of personal relevance and taste.
I love celestial, I always have (even before they added expertise and concentration)
Is it good for instanced content like raids/strikes/fractals? Generally no, with a few exceptions. Is it good for Open World/ Story Mode? Yes it absolutely is. It’s also really good for learning to play the game. Builds that focus ENTIRELY on the damaging stats are pretty damn squishy, which means if you dodge wrong you’re going to end up on the floor. A LOT of skills have incidental boons and conditions. Making those more potent can go a surprisingly long way.
At 3:38 The Power-based kill time of Cele vs Zerker is kind of impressive for Cele. Considering the demonstration ignored 62% of the Cele stats and the main reason to use Cele, and even hand picked a build to further disregard its damage potential, resulting in +50% strike damage.
Viper vs Cele would've looked more honest - At least Condi builds usually like Precision and have Power coefficients anyway. Condi Weaver, for example, only loses ~10% damage going from Viper to Cele.
A little late to the party here, but something you don't appear to have considered: Celestial is better for condition damage builds than power builds. It makes sense if you think about it. The meta for power is berserker. It has no condition damage and power weapons don't usually deal a lot of damaging conditions. But the meta for condition damage is viper, which has both power and precision on it and all weapons deal power damage. Berserker is also 3-stat gear, with all 3 stats being synergistic. They buff each other and you're losing out on all three in larger amounts. Meanwhile when comparing viper to celestial you lose less of your primary damage stat going from 4-stat to all-stat while your secondary stat remains the same and there is no third stat to lose. You also gain a tertiary stat in ferocity.
The damage loss ends up being less than you might think in the context of solo play where celestial tends to shine. Here's a sample of my celestial weaver doing a champion solo with 24.7k DPS: th-cam.com/video/puCAKzTA85w/w-d-xo.html
Is also the gear you get when you skip to level 80.
Ok I have a few things to say :
- If you account to the total number of stats provided, celestial gives out in total way more than any other combination (from memory its like 40% more that or something like that)
- For the dps comparaison, celestial is actually way more suited for condi damage build. Ofc the dps would still be lower than going full viper, but notas much as you shown on greatsword herald which is more power focused, so the condi dmg and expertise stats dont affect it
- Celestial is actually a more solo open world focused gear. You get slightly less damage, but for WAY more survivability, and the concentration helps keeping up boons on yourself (which are extremely important in the game, and if you dont have someone else to provide it for you, you gonna have a bad time). And still in terms of dps, all classes can reach around 20k dps solo with full celestial (far from the benchmarks, but here you dont count the boons provided by other players). Celestial is what allows some ppl to solo tier3 rifts, legendary bounty or even some fractals/strike (watch lord Hizen to understand)
- For WvW, the part where celestial is considered meta is for roaming, not zerg, because of the increased survivability for a really small loss in damage. You can check Noody video for a quick explanation on why its considered OP in this gamemode.
But at the end of the day, you play how you want. I just wanted to add some precision to some things which I felt were not completely true. No hard feelings ;)
Ok, fair, but also, if celi works better for condi builds, then why not just use condi gear. That and also I could have put in how celi is less useful if you typically play with other people, which I do, I don’t play gw alone. Though I did not think of that until after the fact
@@itsnanablitz Well your right about the fact that in instanced PVE (raids, strikes, fractal), u usually want the specialized stat combination. But outside instanced content, celestial is king to make open world even more a walk in the parc. Even HoT HP can be done easily solo with the right build, and usually this build is celestial
You can say its boring and not fun, but it is far from being "bad"
@sneky1723 (little does the unsuspecting commenter know, the yellow youtuber is committed to digging his feet into the ground for his stupid lil opinion) idk man seems like some medical teir copium your huffing I make things dead much faster with raw power, none of that new fangled “balanced build” stuff you new kids are so infatuated with
@@itsnanablitz To that pt., can you make a comparison of a celestial build with your raw power build taking down a legendary bounty or t3 rifts in solo open world. It would be much appreciated.
Maybe
Celestial is the better exotic-ascended gear you can get. It puts you midway to Legendary gear that for many many many players is not as simple to get.
As much as you want to think this game does have a trinity, still isn't a role trinity but a trinity spectrum. No matter how much DPS you think you are, you will still do some buff, some healing, some something else, and thats where the overall stats of celestial come into play.
Traits and weapon choice have a lot weight too, you could argue a pure healer heals more than a celestial healer. Yes, but the celestial healer can also do a lot more. And you can go less heal but more DPS if you want just moving traits and weapons arround instead of having to craft another whole set. And the we have the skill issue, having the knowledge and experience with your class is a lot more important than the funny green numbers.
Then again, there is people that loves overly tunning and min-maxing everything, and theory crafting too, so fun.
But for daily do log in, do your thing, log out, Celestial gear is just so much better than anything else.
Ctrl+F: "heal"
"No matches."
Celestial is generally a healer stat combo in PvE since its competition is harrier, a stat combo with only minor healing power and concentration.
A lot of pug commanders want more healers than they need, so if you're very experienced you can just roll up to a raid and be a condi boon heal tank. If you need an example build, I used to bench cele healbrand on this youtube account. Cele heal builds got removed from Snowcrows because it's not worth maintaining super specialized builds when balance patches are rolling out every 3 months.
it's the funest set for me
i love hibrid builds
Try soloing legendary bounty in glass cannon viper set. See how it will go.
yh man, i use CELE gear for solo hard "things" haha
I only play celestial or rabbid and thats it
Celestial is the strongest stat combination in the game. It just scales very poorly in in comps (i.e: dps builds and support builds) and as a result of this, it's niche in group content. It's viable but not that great unless everyone in your group is running it and can make runs very safe, easy, and consistent albeit relatively inefficient in relation to a DPS comp that can clear without getting downs. Don't try this in CM though where dps is top priority
Based Celestial critic.
Yes it is trash in instanced PVE but not in WVW.
You might not like it, you might find it boring which is fine cuz its your opinion but running cele doesn't make you a jack of all traits. Cele is used for sustain mostly in the open world. If you focus on one specific stat you'll find out that you will either lack any form of sustain or you will lack any form of damage if you choose to go the healing route. Using cele gives you decent damage to kill anything and insane sustain. Thats the point of it. It also allows new players to make mistakes and learn the pattern of a fight. That would not be possible in full berserker/vipers because they would get deleted.
You use power build template on a cele build. It will never work because you are unknowingly rigging the result by not using condition skills or build. (If you want to compare on rev, use renegade condition support builds, compare them with cele)
There are tons of number crunching done by extreme nerds who play the game for over 10yrs now and its been proven in practicality over the years by hundreds of thousands of players.
Cele performs extremely well even in raid settings, the only reason people don't play it is because of min-maxing and sometimes the tank doesnt have that high tougness and usually cele is overkill in most raid scenarios. I'm not even gonna argue about open world its just good, its pretty clear.
A fun exercise for you might be: Copy a condi build, slap on full condition gear and see your stats. Now change all gear to celestial and use few might stacks and see the stats.
As i said earlier, a celestial scourge might be a tank (high toughness), healer (barriers scaling with healing power), boon provider (boon duration), and dps (dps stats available) all at the same time on a celestial build and do like 20% less damage than boon support dps in real situations(ideally should be around 10-15% less damage, im taking the highest case). Now tell me if that is not value(doing 4 roles) even in raid settings for your subgroup. I can say this confidently cause i play that when shit hits the fan and you need to carry groups.
I might have to put “not a build guide” in the description cause yall are talking this more seriously then it was suppose to. But if it’s really that much better on a condo build then I can only feel that it’s failing the one purpose I can assume celi is suppose to fill, which is a jack of all, including power. Honestly I used power as the sample cause that was the only other gear I had on that character, and using a different class would have been unfair. Thanks for the collage thesis comment though, I still don’t like celi cause it’s boring and negates what I feel is the fun of min maxing. I still think it’s good for trying out new things in a non PvP lobby scenario
@@itsnanablitz My wall of text was required because to give you context cause mmos are complex and you cant learn everything with a few lines of my comment.
Regarding the min-maxing part, you are doing it with cele or other hybrid stats because after a certain point the power or condi will start giving diminishing returns hence you would have to branch out your dps to get most bang for you stat points.
Your take might be coming more from the purity standpoint rather than min-maxing standpoint which is valid too cause its a preference.
@@itsnanablitz oh by the way a cool idea if you play revenant and vindicator is to use sigil of stamina which refills your dodge bar every time you kill an enemy, and since your dodge does damage you can keep dodging forever. have fun.
@xecor4450 oh it’s not purity, my main is a untamed condo hunter with half viper and half carrion. But I get what you sayin, and I wasn’t being facetious when I said about the thesis, weather agreeing with me or no, reading comments is one of the few things that make makin vids worth it so the long ones are a treat, even if someone is calling me a stupid kebab
That’s my plan with my rev, it’s super fun to do the slam down dodge in PvP but I’ve been hella slacking on getting the hero points to max the spec out
Pretty much my take. Cele is good. It's just not good at anything in particular.
I boosted my 9th toon, a guardian, so I'm just using the cele gear as I gradually replace each piece with other more specific stats.
This bait is of excellent quality. May it bring you those views.
Great Video, tho golem damage isn't everything. I run Herald Celestial off Healer, benching somewhere between 21-24k, which yes is less than a damage focused alac build, but not by that much that it would matter with 3 full dps 40k in party. In return it provides perma healing through regen, soothing mist and the occasional water skill, which is enough for most of the game. I don't play the build in raids/strikes but for fractals and dungeons the healing is more than enough too keep everyone topped off while having enough damage to make an impact.
Celestial is literally the best choice for elementalist in most cases, swapping between elements gives more specialised buffs and building might stacks pushes DPS. The fact you have high toughness on earth, really nice healing on water and the concentration+expertise (you hardly get these outside celestial) helps your burn and vulnerable conditions stay active while swapping out of fire and air, great for relic of the aristocrat.
I genuinely don't know why you think celestial is bad, you really don't have to minmax in this game.
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And that dummy cant even hit you , maybe its better to show us on an real targets that can hit hard im curios who will survive :D
Celestial is the best ! 😏
You are either very new to the game or not very good at it, if you dont understand the point of celestial gear.
Well i agree with your general feeling, being jack of all trades does not let you excel at anything only when all the roles and necessities are covered. In the context of solo play, being WvW, or open PVE, it is by far the best solution and the most flexible that allows players, to deal dmg, while still having general defensive stats. I do not think it should go away, as i really like that first introduction that it offers.
I really think it is necessary in the game, and it gives much desired quality of life to players that do not wish to overspecialize in something and remain flexible during their playtime.
Considering this video is much more focused towards open world pve, and not endgame group pve or any of the competitive gamemodes, I will focus on the same kind of content. The reason Celestial is still extremely popular is because it grants a great amount of survivability without sacrificing much damage. As many other comments have already said, Celestial is mathematically more packed with stats, which completely invalidates most other tank-focused gear sets because they simply lack the damage to warrant their usage.
I understand the feeling of "i dont need tankiness if everything dies before it can touch me", but that can't be applied against every challenge in open world. You can't melt a champion bounty with full berserker or viper. But with celestial, you have a very respectable chance to be able to solo these group challenges (and some people do, on the regular. I suggest Lord Hizen's videos that focus specifically on this type of content).
This video is pure bait
You are somewhat correct
Did you Play Hfb? Thats is Boring!
Bout whit a Touch of Full cele its mouch mor fun becaus You Tank , heal your Party and out dps all out that dont now how to presse 3 butens in a row =) expect Mexhanist he always do dmg
celestial is good on mirage, but it is boring
Bad video. Celestial is great. Bye.
Good video. Celestial is mid. Hello.
To quote some of the map chat ive read on wvw,"its a noob carrier and broken on good player,fckin nerf it anet" lmao
Just gonna say, you'll get tribal people because when you say. "Cele gear is trash" People hear "You are trash for using cele gear."
Is it BiS? Nope. But there is a lot of situations where it is at least good, not least of which when you are playing solo open world. Try playing a zerker geared character, in melee, with no healer in HoT and tell me how 'trash' cele is.
Its garbage for elitists. For us casual players doing mostly open world it is great.
i didnt like it and i think your a mammoth with an emty skull and your wrong and shoud go back eating rocks!
ok joke done
back to why thats good:
- you get overall more stats, means you are more efficient in paper.
- the more defensive stats you have the more misstakes your allowed to make. not that pve atm reached the point you ever need extra defences if your good enough.
only on some high end pve content you have a timer that says you need to reach a treshhold of damage or lose, means you basically can play it everywhere. it also means for pve its the perfect "im a noob but i wanna be usefull" gear, for wvw its the same + its an you get alot of extra stats for free and you can mix match with other sets to custom pretty good on your playstyle and for pvp ... who cares about pvp? noone, so pvp just doesnt exist. its an illusion from mesmers to feed on your emotions.
just to also go on your two argues:
- being second best at everything makes you sometimes better then being the best at one thing!
- yes there are some weapons that are only good at one damage side but there are also enough weapons that can do more then one of those and some can even help on healing
Sorry I can’t hear you over the copious abouts of rocks I’m crunching
alot of weirdos in comments
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