Ladies' Long Program + Fluff Pieces - 1988 Calgary Winter Games, Figure Skating (US, ABC)
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- Calgary, Alberta, CANADA - 1988 Winter Olympic Games, Figure Skating, Ladies' Short Program, - Commentating by Dick Button, Peggy Fleming, Jim McKay and David Santee.
SKATER (NATION) (PLACEMENTS: Entering the LP, LP, Overall) TIME
Interview with George de la Pena, Choreographer of Debi Thomas' (USA) Long Program
Interview with Carlo Fassi on Caryn Kadavy's (USA) Illness and Withdrawal from Competition
Fluff Piece on Skaters Falling during Their Programs at Competitions
Charlene Wong (CAN) (17th, 13th, 13th)
Yvonne Gomez (ESP) (18th, 17th, 18th)
Fluff Piece: Comparisons between Katarina Witt's (GDR) and Debi Thomas' (USA) "Carmen"
Fluff Piece on Judging and Scoring
Up Close and Personal - Midori Ito 伊藤 みどり (JPN)
Claudia Leistner (FRG) (7th, 6th, 6th)
Marina Kielmann (FRG) (11th, 10th, 10th)
Anna Kondrashova Анна Кондрашова (URS) (9th, 7th, 8th)
Joanne Conway (GBR) (12th, 16th, 12th)
Simone Koch (GDR) (10th, 8th, 9th)
Midori Ito 伊藤 みどり(JPN) (8th, 3rd, 5th)
Up Close and Personal - Debi Thomas (USA)
Jill Trenary (USA) (5th, 5th, 4th)
Katarina Witt (GDR) (2nd, 2nd, 1st)
Elizabeth Manley (CAN) (3rd, 1st, 2nd)
Kira Ivanova Кира Иванова (URS) (4th, 9th, 7th)
Debi Thomas (USA) (1st, 4th, 3rd)
Interview with Elizabeth Manley (CAN)
Medal Award Ceremony
Interview with Debi Thomas (USA)
Interview with Katarina Witt (GDR)
Interview with Caryn Kadavy (USA)
Replay of the Long Program of Elizabeth Manley (CAN)
Interview with Elizabeth Manley (CAN) - กีฬา
Midori was simply ahead of her time, simply stunning!
Midori Ito had the best performance of the night & it was the most technically difficult to boot.
Yeah if she doesn't get hosed in the school figures she's on the podium, also out of the 3 top girls Elizabeth was the most consistent that night
Midori was absolutely amazing to watch.
@@sportstalk23And I love how she always planted the 3/3 in the 2nd half of the program.
In 1990 this would also come back and fell her when she should have won. The judges were not really ever on her side - even tho she was the class of the field.
@@thomstephens There weren't on her side because she wasn't like Trenary or Debi Thomas. She wasn't a fragile flower. She was a powerhouse
I know they’re supposed to leave room for the marks, but Midori Ito truly deserved a 6.0 for her technical free skate that night.
That's basically what she got, since there were about ten skaters after her (a few in her group weren't shown in the video). Getting a 5.9 when not in the final group was unheard of.
I miss Dick Button and Peggy Fleming’s commentaries at skating championships. Thanks for posting this. Brings back a lot of good memories of the Olympics.
Midori deserved all 5.9s for technical merit for that performance. I would’ve given her a 6.0, but in those days you had to leave room for those who come after.
Ito should have won the long program that night... her long program was arguably as much as 10 or 15+ years ahead of its time. She had more technical content then the winner of the 2006 Olympic Games 18 years later!
Or the winner of the 2023 World Championships.
Technically, she did have the highest score in the long program. I agree with later years' skating - she skated circles around Arakawa (whom I found really boring)
@@scottw6704 My theory is that she should have had 6.0's on the technical mark. There was nobody in the competition with the technical arsenal to even come close to what Ito did. I really think the problem was that if they had put her first in the long program, Witt would have lost the gold to Manley.
I really miss Dick Button and Peggy Fleming’s commentaries. They told it as it is and made skating interesting.
We not only miss them, but also ABC covering the competitions. They at least showed you them on ESPN for free if you get ESPN, which most people do if they have a basic cable package or other package. NBC has really messed up the sport with it's basically non existent coverage. They have been trying to make us pay for things with the red, white, and blue packages for the Olympics since probably the 1980s. Shame on them.
@@figureskating2724 1988 was the last great Olympics. Since CBS & NBC have taken over just OK
@@patcurrie9888 Absolutely correct!
@@figureskating2724 The awful Truth.
What a night! thanks for posting it. ABC sure had the best coverage of the Olympics, the high watermark NBC and CBS can't reach.
Finally! The whole program. Thank you SO much for all you've contributed, on behalf of all of us skating fans!
Skating was an a lister back then school figures should have never been eliminated and the scoring system today sucks
Thanks for posting. Nice to see some of the past Olympics! ABC did a great job with the coverage of the games.
Thank you for all your work in compiling and putting together these wonderful videos.
The battle of the Carmen’s, felt so sorry for Debbi that night. Ito’s content was amazing and was under marked . Elizabeth Manley had the time of her life, loved her program! Great era of ice skating !
I love coming back to your channel - so great to see this again. I was 16 in the UK when watching - captivated by Debi and Katerina - and wow-ed by Liz Manley and Midori Ito. Can't thank you enough for Dick and Peggy's commentary - we never got them in the UK.
I was only a few months old when this broadcast aired so obviously I don't remember enough to say whether or not it was live in any time zone in USA, but I noticed how much more smooth and live feeling this broadcast was compared to the current ones. Today the Olympic broadcasts feel so edited and choppy... plausibly live is a thing of the past in Practical terms. Watching this also made me appreciate Jim McKay, who had to be one of the best ambassadors for figure skating who ever lived. He may not have known much about the sport at the beginning of his career but over time you could tell he enjoyed calling it and made it interesting for the casual fan. RIP.
Egal, wieviele Sprünge alle machen. Was Kati einmalig macht, kann man sehen und fühlen. Und das kann eben keine andere auf der Welt. 💖💖💖💖💖
Thank you for posting!
Manche kaufen nach wunderschöner Musik, aber es kann eben nicht jede mit Gefühl kaufen, statisch, nur sportlich, ohne Eleganz. Kati hat alles von dem und deshalb wird sie immer die Beste aller Zeiten bleiben. 👍💖
The Olympics that Midori should have won...but for figures.
Who knows if she would handle the pressure as well without figures and being a favorite. We saw what happened at the 91 worlds and 92 Olympic where she was finally clear favored with no figures. 91 she was injured too, but not in 92. It is a lot easier to be the underdog and nothing to lose and skate your best, which Ito would no longer be without figures.
Midori 5th place in the long program? OMG that's ridiculous.
3rd in the LP, 5th overall.
Ito was Horrible at FIGURES. And she had Nothing except triple jumps. Nothing.
I think Debi could be very happy to get the bronze. In my opinion Midori Ito should have won it!
impossible under the rules of the time, but thank you for sharing.
Were it not for the compulsories, I agree with you. She was stellar and flawless in the long program.
During that year, the Free Skate was 50% of the overall score, Short Program 20%, and Compulsory Figures 30%. Witt ranked way higher than Ito in the CF and the SP. Their TFP below:
Rank Name CF SP FS TFP
1 Katarina Witt 3 1 2 4.2
2 Elizabeth Manley 4 3 1 4.6
3 Debi Thomas 2 2 4 6
4 Jill Trenary 5 6 5 10.4
5 Midori Ito 10 4 3 10.6
@@metsdudenj Who knows if she handles the pressure as well without figures and being a favorite. I like Ito but everyone assumes she sweeps everything without figures, but we saw at the 91 worlds and 92 Olympics now no figures and the clear favorite she faltered badly. 91 worlds she was injured too, but not in 92. 88, 89, 90, she was always coming behind after figures so was free of pressure, which is probably why she skated so great. The pressure from Japan is enormous so being the leader it will always be a lot harder.
Very interesting. In my country many people don't ice skate,it is such a nice sport. In the 80's it was a popular sport, athletes were very happy practicing and competing in it, there was lots of talents. Why isn't it not popular anymore?
She should won SP & LP here & earned a medal.
The commentary on the judging and the judge who discussed about how the judges made deals with other countries was really foreshadowing the controversy that occurred in 2002
Midori
I remember this like it was just yesterday! We were so proud of Liz Manley here in Canada. The battle of the 2 Carmen’s was interesting. Wasn’t the biggest Katerina Witt fan and I feel Midori was better technically and Liz with her Artistic but still a great Olympic event that year.
Liz Manley's performance here in the long program was what got me addicted to watching figure skating.
@@scottw6704 that clown show?
Thanks for posting. Can you post the 1992 Ladies programs? We would love to see them again. Thanks!
El patinaje es un deporte bellisimo. Por eso llegar a la perfección es de máximo reconocimiento y admiración.
I'm retroactively angry that Midori Ito only got 6 hours of sleep during all of this. That's not enough for a young person - especially an athlete!
You cannot rank Manley 1st in the FP and rank Ito 2d or 3d! Manley has the same athletic style as Ito, but only 4 triples (2 with a huge set up), while Ito had 7 and a triple-triple ! The marks are just ridiculous for so many skaters who were good in the figures or the SP but not in the FP (I mean look at Ivanova's 2d mark, her FP was not only a technical flop but a shame in terms of artistry, yet she gets only marks in the 5s for the 2d mark; and even her 1st marks are inflated, as she does *nothing*, not even a good spin). Witt got so lucky, indeed, but her posing is remarkable and dramatic; it didn't bother me as I found it dense but I agree in terms of pure skating and technical content, I would never have given more than 5.5. I think Debi Thomas's style was really lacking here, she appears slow and doesn't always have a good posture.
This would only play into luck Witt. That woman has a horseshoe up her butt. If she skated poorly everyone else would do worse. She never got humbled even when she returned in 1994 the judges had the opportunity to sewer her but they didn't. Has Trenary done one more triple I would have had her ahead of Witt. and of course Kadavy was sick. Witt won two close olympic golds Manley deserved gold for overall performance. Ridiculous how close Witt was. Witt had 4 triples but all four were the garbage triples. Manley had a balanced program and no way should Witt be only one spot behind her. Remember back then it was a different scoring system. Anyways what is done is done.
They really raked Debbie through the mud... Sheeesh! No wonder she had a breakdown.. poor thing.
Hey, I’m loving these full program uploads from 88, do you have the same from 92 and 94? I can put it together from the individual performances but it takes so much longer, it’s much better in this format, so thanks! 🙂
I had previously posted them as individual clips, but I've made playlists of each Olympics, and the clips are in the order that was broadcasted. You can check those out until I get to uploading the full clips (and hope the IOC doesn't pull them down). Thx
TH-camr AmyNicole has a playlist with all the World and Olympic competitions consolidated (ex. Ladies LP 88, Mens SP 89 worlds, etc)
Kati wird immer die Beste bleiben. Ihr Charme, ihre künstlerische und sportliche Aussagekraft ist einmalig. Das ist Eiskunstlauf! Heutzutage ist es nur noch Eissportlauf und nicht mehr schön anzuschauen. Bei Kati spürt man bei jedem Vortrag, dass sie eine Geschichte erzählt. Klasse! 💖💖💖💖💖💖💖👍
Like, how many Carmen programs were on that competition???
Listening to all the music edits right now I wish more skaters would use Carmen nowadays.
Midori should have won the long program BY FAR! The marks for Witt were a joke , posing posing, and just few of the easiest triples you could make . Shame on the judges!
Midori's lack of choreography was more obvious a problem than Witt's lack of difficult jumps, unfortunately. I would have liked Ito to have at least come in second in the LP. Fortunately we have the wonderful Liz Manley who beat both of them in the LP! Though Ito's technical scores totaled a few tenths higher than Manley's.
@@scottw6704 If Midori had finished 2nd in the LP, then Manley would have won the Gold and Witt would have dropped to 2nd. I think there was no way they would have allowed Witt to be beaten by Manley unfortunately
Midori should have had 6.0s for technical against the rest of the field. Beyond
She was only a jumper. No line..no gracefulness..lousy at FIGURES. Ito had only triples. Nothing else.
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その「ただのジャンパーに過ぎない選手」が、多くの観衆の熱狂的な支持を得てしまった。
彼女は女子フィギュアスケートの新しい価値、新しい楽しさを提示した。彼女は1988年の時点では異端だったかもしれない。しかしその後「かつての異端」は「新しい正統」になっていった。
その変化が正しかったのか、それとも間違っていたのかはわからない。ただそれによって女子フィギュアスケートは新しい多くのファンを獲得したのは確かだと思う。
I'd rather watch late-eighties through late-nineties figure skating than the current dreck any day of the week. It's dull and robotic now, the scoring system is a joke, you can't tell most of the skaters apart, and the entertainment value is nil.
Jill's choreography didn't seem to fit the Hungarian Rhapsody bit of her routine for me. I think it should have featured more spins and precision and less flowy "wandering around". And she had a habit of chickening out of her triples, early on for no reason. She said "it's not a triple jump competition" but leaving them out altogether was just not helpful!
Debbie was still the first black woman to win an Olympic medal in figure skating ever. That means something
I have trouble watching and remembering this moment 😢 she won the bronze she didn’t lose the gold. We have to stop this madness
Manley should have won.
She DID win the long program. She even beat Midori!
🥀 2:11:15
Do most people agree that Elizabeth Manley should’ve won the gold? Where did Midori Ito place in the end? 5th?
During that year, the Free Skate was 50% of the overall score, Short Program 20%, and Compulsory Figures 30%. Witt ranked higher than Manley in the CF and the SP. The difference of their Total Factored Placement between Witt and Manley was 0.2. Their TFP below:
Rank Name CF SP FS TFP
1 Katarina Witt 3 1 2 4.2
2 Elizabeth Manley 4 3 1 4.6
3 Debi Thomas 2 2 4 6
4 Jill Trenary 5 6 5 10.4
5 Midori Ito 10 4 3 10.6
@@RaymondHng yeah, that’s true. I knew about all that, but just reacted to what I saw. Sometimes I wish they hadn’t done away with the compulsories.
No
What's interesting is if you give Manley 1st in LP and Ito 2nd with Witt 3rd, Manley would have won the gold.
@@mikeg8375 I think the only way anyone other than Witt would’ve won were if she just totally collapsed, haha!
Debby hat nunmal viele Fehler gemacht. Das kann doch niemand abstreiten! Aber hier sieht man wieder den Neid unter den Sportlern und dass sie nur schlecht verlieren können.
Those 80s ultra short haircuts teased and frosted blonde highlights -ages these skaters, along with the heavy use of makeup (blush, eye makeup, foundation). I don’t understand how any coach and choreographer thought this look (along w/ cheap look spangly saloon girl costume), is superior to the ‘less is more’ looks that Dorthy Hammil, Peggy Flemming, and Janet Lynn had before this crop of skaters at the Calgary Olympics.
Have to agree with you - as you say, this was the 1980s.... it was never a "less is more" decade!
Tja, es heißt Eis k u n s t lauf, nicht Eis s p r u n g lauf!!!! Außerdem nervt diese Kindermusik der 2.Platzierten.
Manche können eben nur schlecht verlieren.