Bad Religion - Live at the Palladium (Full DVD)

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  • Bad Religion - Live at the Palladium (Full DVD)
    Track list:
    Intro 0:00:00
    00 Overture 0:02:42
    01 Sinister Rouge 0:04:33
    02 All There Is 0:06:25
    Interview: They Meet 0:09:11
    03 No Control 0:10:38
    04 Supersonic 0:12:25
    Interview: Fan Favorites 0:14:19
    05 Social Suicide 0:17:25
    06 Los Angeles Is Burning 0:19:28
    Interview: Favorite Song 0:22:44
    07 Modern Man 0:23:47
    08 Kyoto Now 0:25:42
    09 Stranger Than Fiction 0:29:22
    Interview: First Rehearsal 0:31:47
    Interview: The Name 0:32:25
    10 Struck a Nerve 0:34:52
    11 Let Them Eat War 0:38:31
    12 Suffer 0:41:37
    Interview: First Gig 0:43:30
    Interview: Logo 0:44:16
    13 Change of Ideas 0:46:05
    14 God's Love 0:47:38
    15 Recipe for Hate 0:50:33
    Interview: Inspiration 0:52:37
    16 Atomic Garden 0:55:29
    Interview: Musical Influences 0:58:17
    17 10 in 2010 1:01:04
    18 You 1:03:31
    19 Come Join Us 1:05:44
    Interview: Hetson Joins 1:08:00
    Interview: Songwriting 1:09:43
    20 I Want to Conquer the World 1:13:49
    21 21st Century (Digital Boy) 1:16:02
    22 Generator 1:18:55
    Interview: Atlantic 1:22:12
    23 Fuck Armageddon 1:25:52
    24 Anesthesia 1:30:55
    Interview: Brett Leaves 1:33:38
    Interview: Baker Joins 1:37:03
    Interview: Brooks 1:39:09
    25 Infected 1:41:02
    26 Cease 1:45:15
    Interview: Can Music Make a Difference 1:49:25
    27 American Jesus 1:52:18
    28 Along the Way 1:55:28
    Interview: Legacy 1:57:31
    Interview: The Future 2:00:51
    29 Do What You Want 2:02:51
    30 We're Only Gonna Die 2:03:54
    31 Sorrow 2:06:08
    32 Outro 2:09:44
    All rights reserved to the respective owners, I do not profit in any way of this video.
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  • @jeffpatterson2860
    @jeffpatterson2860 8 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    I'm a single dad. The last time I tried to see this amazing band, my son was too young to get into the venue. This music is something I can't wait to share with my son. I can't think of a better way to share my youth with him, than to stand in the back of a Bad Religion show and dance together. They will let us in one of these days, Jaeden!

    • @patnoo695
      @patnoo695 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jeff Patterson awesome!! talk about a great way to bond with your kid, keep it up brother

    • @GregGallagher
      @GregGallagher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dad Religion

    • @yefartz108
      @yefartz108 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GregGallagher best comment lol

    • @franklinsthewurst
      @franklinsthewurst วันที่ผ่านมา

      eight years later...i hope it has happened :)

  • @avalondeluxe
    @avalondeluxe ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was at this show!!! Seems just like yesterday ....Yes I'm a girl and LOVE THE MOSH PIT! Something about Bad Religion always makes me go crazy in a good way....they evoke such deep, passionate feelings in me and concerts are the way to release it....and it's so much goddamn fun....Man I miss these days! I saw them recently in 2022 and they played a lot of their old stuff. Now I'm pregnant and about to have a son and can't wait to bring him to a Bad Religion concert. My husband looked at me like I was crazy in the concert moshing...I dont think he expected that level of wildness. 😂😂
    I've liked Bad Religion ever since I was 16 years old....And the first song I heard of them "Kyoto Now" changed my whole life forever and got me into punk rock......I've never felt more alive then at a concert of theirs......absolutely amazing band! I'm now 35 and get sad thinking about my youth and don't want to let it go!

  • @slashtrio
    @slashtrio 10 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    BAD RELIGION! One of my all time favorite bands for a few reasons. The songs are fast, visceral and catchy, the lyrics are erudite and inspiring, and the harmonies are/were pretty unique to punk rock. Its like punk rock science!

    • @kevinw8688
      @kevinw8688 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am with you. I love this band. We can wax eloquent about how smart Greg is and how awesome he and Brett are, but in the end the songs simply fucking rock.

  • @DavidHughesEire
    @DavidHughesEire 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Amazing band. The first band I really fell in love with.. I was only a kid at the time.. I'm just realising, that all these years later, I still listen to all the Bad Religion records I had since I was a kid.. I got sick of a lot of other bands I used to listen to, but Bad Religion were the first band I went NUTS about, and bought ALL their records, and they are one of the only bands that remained constant in my life. I still ROCK out to them today... Greg's voice is what first attracted me to the band, but I was soon roped in by the intelligent, thought-provoking lyrics, vocal harmonies, furious guitar slides and solos, relentless drumming and meandering bass runs.. All these things combine to form the jewel of my universe... BAD RELIGION! Much love and respect to all Bad Religion fans out there.. From HUGE fan Davey in the heartlands of Ireland (Éire) :)

  • @ModernMan23
    @ModernMan23 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Listening closely to the Bad Religion catalog through and older, more patient set of ears is highly recommended.

  • @spencergresoro
    @spencergresoro 10 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Legends. That's about all you can say. They deserve Rock Hall of Fame. Many old punk bands do, Dead Kennedy's, Toy Dolls, Subhumans, The Addicts, Ramones (they better be in there)

  • @drewliedtke2377
    @drewliedtke2377 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    1:58:40
    Greg’s level of self-awareness and understanding of his position is inspiring.

  • @ryanwhitaker4221
    @ryanwhitaker4221 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Seen them 25 times live and would see them 25 more!!!

  • @kevinw8688
    @kevinw8688 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If someone has a gig by Bad Religion better than this, post it. This is their most talented lineup and a lineup that absolutely blew it away. Goddamn they are a great fucking band. So pissed I didn't discover them until 1992.

    • @Oatzfactor
      @Oatzfactor 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Don't feel bad. I really didn't discover them until Napster.

  • @TalkHard
    @TalkHard 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Intro 0:00:00
    00 Overture 0:02:42
    01 Sinister Rouge 0:04:33
    02 All There Is 0:06:25
    Interview: They Meet 0:09:11
    03 No Control 0:10:38
    04 Supersonic 0:12:25
    Interview: Fan Favorites 0:14:19
    05 Social Suicide 0:17:25
    06 Los Angeles Is Burning 0:19:28
    Interview: Favorite Song 0:22:44
    07 Modern Man 0:23:47
    08 Kyoto Now 0:25:42
    09 Stranger Than Fiction 0:29:22
    Interview: First Rehearsal 0:31:47
    Interview: The Name 0:32:25
    10 Struck a Nerve 0:34:52
    11 Let Them Eat War 0:38:31
    12 Suffer 0:41:37
    Interview: First Gig 0:43:30
    Interview: Logo 0:44:16
    13 Change of Ideas 0:46:05
    14 God's Love 0:47:38
    15 Recipe for Hate 0:50:33
    Interview: Inspiration 0:52:37
    16 Atomic Garden 0:55:29
    Interview: Musical Influences 0:58:17
    17 10 in 2010 1:01:04
    18 You 1:03:31
    19 Come Join Us 1:05:44
    Interview: Hetson Joins 1:08:00
    Interview: Songwriting 1:09:43
    20 I Want to Conquer the World 1:13:49
    21 21st Century (Digital Boy) 1:16:02
    22 Generator 1:18:55
    Interview: Atlantic 1:22:12
    23 Fuck Armageddon 1:25:52
    24 Anesthesia 1:30:55
    Interview: Brett Leaves 1:33:38
    Interview: Baker Joins 1:37:03
    Interview: Brooks 1:39:09
    25 Infected 1:41:02
    26 Cease 1:45:15
    Interview: Can Music Make a Difference 1:49:25
    27 American Jesus 1:52:18
    28 Along the Way 1:55:28
    Interview: Legacy 1:57:31
    Interview: The Future 2:00:51
    29 Do What You Want 2:02:51
    30 We're Only Gonna Die 2:03:54
    31 Sorrow 2:06:08
    32 Outro 2:09:44

  • @thetommyguns1773
    @thetommyguns1773 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I'm not even a real drummer, but man, I'm gonna miss Brooks. He added a depth to Bad Religion that I fear they'll never have again.

    • @ricardovasquezcorrea7887
      @ricardovasquezcorrea7887 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I just learned that Brooks left BR to go to Avenged Sevenfold. To be honest although it's sad that he left, he was just way too good to be in Bad Religion. A drummer of his caliber does deserve a better band to develop as an artist.

    • @tylermartin6407
      @tylermartin6407 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @bob bobo what?

    • @drumkid330
      @drumkid330 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ricardovasquezcorrea7887 Jimmy the Rev V2

    • @kevinw8688
      @kevinw8688 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ricardovasquezcorrea7887 I get what you are saying, but it's a dumb fucking way to say it. Avenged Sevenfold requires more dynamics in their drumming than does Bad Religion. Bad Religion is a punk rock band, they don't play fucking prog metal or something like that. They have a different ethic. Ask Zacky of A7X what he thinks of Bad Religion. He reveres them. Ultimately, what is "a better band"? Is A7X better because they are better musicians? Bad Religion are quite fine enough musicians to play what they play, end of story, Brooks stayed in Bad Religion a long goddamn time for being "above them" musically.

    • @brendancarson8325
      @brendancarson8325 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Brooks was overqualified.

  • @michaelhaider53
    @michaelhaider53 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    First time I saw Bad Religion was January 11, 1994 @ Montezuma Hall on the SDSU campus. I was a Freshman in High School and it was EPIC! Unwritten Law also played at that show. They were good back then lol! Although ive seen them a couple times since I miss those days.

  • @itanimulli1111
    @itanimulli1111 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Saw this band play many years to a sold out show at The Palladium with Bikini Kill, White Zombie, and Stone Temple Pilots. When these guys came on I couldn't believe how tight and raw the sound was. They owned the stage that night. It's a beautiful thing to see youth going against the masses who choose shallow pop music that's engrained into minds today, creating zombie drones. Long live this band

    • @The-Punnkk
      @The-Punnkk 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +itanimulli1111 Perfectly said!

  • @patnoo695
    @patnoo695 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    one of the best dvds on the planet

  • @flassk7
    @flassk7 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jay is awesome

  • @codykruze9056
    @codykruze9056 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    greatest band ever !!!!!!!!

  • @benphillips7333
    @benphillips7333 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    THANK YOU for posting!!!

  • @CreateVibrations
    @CreateVibrations 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I've never watched this until now...that was one hell of a Bad Religion youtube experience. Thanks for sharing it!

  • @FonZich31
    @FonZich31 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bad Religion, the only punk rock band to bring a grand piano on stage

  • @inalandscape
    @inalandscape 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love that bearded dude in the Purple Rain shirt who's clearly memorized the lyrics to a shit-ton of songs. There's a fuckin' devoted fan. Kudos to him.

  • @aliambassador
    @aliambassador 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for the upload!!

  • @derekwoodschannel589
    @derekwoodschannel589 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone else want to see a Bad Religion/Public Enemy Tour? My two favorite punk groups!

  • @geordierecords
    @geordierecords 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    God bless ya for uploading this here

  • @patnoo695
    @patnoo695 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What a great dvd! keep it up. Proud of you guys! PEACE!!! :-)

  • @MikeHurst81
    @MikeHurst81 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wife's out. Kids asleep. Loving this in my eyes and ears

  • @evegasse6999
    @evegasse6999 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The show is great, obviously, but I really really love the interviews.

  • @tinchoaxl666
    @tinchoaxl666 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    i'm really impressed as fast Bret gets her lenses on and remove in the middle of the same theme

  • @smallfaucet
    @smallfaucet 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    someone had a Graffin for president shirt!! I had one made and everyone signed it accept for Greg!!!!!!!!! it's one of my favorite things to look at

  • @rogermcfann
    @rogermcfann 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember seeing you guys back when you played with Less Than Jake in Dallas, Tx at the Bronco bowl... I can't remember the year but it was by far my favorite concert I've ever been too!!

  • @GrayWoIf
    @GrayWoIf 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Long live BRETT RELIGION!!

  • @susragejr477
    @susragejr477 หลายเดือนก่อน

    A7X has done wonders for Brooks's posture

  • @jyrkihamalainen8215
    @jyrkihamalainen8215 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for uploading. My original DVD no longer works for some reason.

  • @susragejr477
    @susragejr477 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I miss hetson man

    • @diego7479
      @diego7479 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too

  • @MrMotherfuck123
    @MrMotherfuck123 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I´m not a Believer but, I love how they explain the Cross-Buster-Logo is not offensive. XD

  • @fracinawsome
    @fracinawsome 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the harmonies are so much better with brett

  • @AndrewIsbell
    @AndrewIsbell 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this upload! Wow! You are still active! I've been your sub for ages and this upload was a pleasant surprise. thanks

    • @badbag9625
      @badbag9625 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bret, have not seen you since your infancy. Knew the Gurwitz family since your Mom & I went HHS together but in the 80' we lost touch. Bret, so happy for you. My best to all.

  • @patnoo695
    @patnoo695 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    So good . geeze oh man is this awesome lol

  • @jasperfleming9318
    @jasperfleming9318 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm watching you Brooks.

  • @DynaOne
    @DynaOne 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Against the Grain has made my Brain to minced Meat, i love you!

  • @gilangfresandy
    @gilangfresandy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    i can't even hear Brett's guitar.

  • @fillycheesefl
    @fillycheesefl 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Remember when Blink 182 let Bad Religion open for them on their first arena tour?

  • @daluxman77
    @daluxman77 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ciao!

  • @marquinhusl13
    @marquinhusl13 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    MUITO MASSA. MAS PODERIAM TRADUZIR AS ENTREVISTAS

  • @enrique76able
    @enrique76able 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    SMART BAND! AND ONE OF THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
    LET ME SHARE ANOTHER BAND FROM SPAIN. LA POLLA RECORDS.
    THANK YOU!
    SAME ISSUES DIFFERENT COUNTRY.
    BAD RELIGION 1979 AND CONTINUE.
    LA POLLA RECORDS 1979-2003- 2004 AND CONTINUE AS GATILLAZO.
    CHECK IT OUT!

  • @gregfalc
    @gregfalc 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Has anyone listened to this in 5.1? Does it actually sound much better? Because the mix is pretty bad in stereo - incredibly uneven above anything else. It kind of gets better later in the show but damn, what happened in Sinister Rouge? I can forgive the painfully obvious vocal overdubs but there are some bizarre mixing decisions throughout. I can imagine that mixing a live record is not easy, however their albums around that time were very well produced. What happened?

  • @DavidHughesEire
    @DavidHughesEire 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Who was the drummer on the "Stranger Than Fiction" record? I think it was Bobby Schayer, but can't be 100% sure, but I ALWAYS loved his style.. Also, two more questions, when did Baker join on guitar? Was it on "Stranger Than Fiction" too? I'm nearly sure I can hear his very distinctive bass-heavy guitar tone cutting through on a lot of the tracks (Especially in "Tiny Voices"), and when did Greg Hetson leave and why? If anyone can clear these questions up for me, I'd be eternally grateful, as I'm a HUGE Bad Religion fan! :) From Davey in Éire :)

    • @FanucciSaysEeeeh
      @FanucciSaysEeeeh 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bobby played drums on STF. Brian Baker's first album with the band was after that, The Gray Race.

    • @faustivious1854
      @faustivious1854 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Wasn't it the drummer from the Descendents?? Bill something I think...(Bill S. ????) Or was he a lil before STF ????
      btw...one of the top 5 greatest bands EVER. Suffer came out when I was a Freshman in H.S. Got to see them at small shows like at the Santa Monica Civic Center....SO AWESOME !!!!
      I still have their "Alone the Way" video/show on VHS ... :P

    • @GrayWoIf
      @GrayWoIf 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bobby is on cover of Stranger Than Fiction but Brian joined the band ON the Stranger Than Fiction Tour but not the album that was Brett but Brett refused to tour and left.

    • @sambetley6290
      @sambetley6290 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hetson was asked to take a break after recording True North because his live performances had become increasingly erratic. Mike Dimkich came in as a temp, but quickly became permanent. (I presume Hetson is still pissed as he refused to contribute to the new BR book)

    • @yefartz108
      @yefartz108 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@FanucciSaysEeeeh i believe baker came on with recipe for hate. At least he played on the tour

  • @eleazarsanchezlaraa875
    @eleazarsanchezlaraa875 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Escucha i liste rock sincero i Washington Young nos invita a 54and. I cant stand ha ingresado fun

  • @patnoo695
    @patnoo695 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    anyone who's bored feel free to check out my band RAIN on soundcloud I recommend the songs I like johnny cash (sleek version), catalyst, and dirty words. and oh yeah GREG GRAFFIN FOR PRESIDENT! LOL best punkrock band ever, much love homies. Peace, love, and chicken grease :-)

  • @SombraPiloto
    @SombraPiloto 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:38, 9 shows is a lot?

    • @dip_doop
      @dip_doop 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      well yea especially for us young folk it's kinda harder to see bands like bad religion as much as we'd like to

  • @arkoctavius
    @arkoctavius 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I miss hetson and wackerman

    • @GregGallagher
      @GregGallagher 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most of us do. Jaime is great for a human, but Brooks is a MACHINE. He brought BR to a different level, and Hetson has been replaced with a chewing camel on stage. I still love the band, but I miss those guys.

  • @superunknown2812
    @superunknown2812 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Soooo sinister rouge opening song not last song and people are walkin around in a circle.pit????lol that pit should be circling a million miles an hour lol jezuz

  • @nachotorres8083
    @nachotorres8083 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What band does Jay say in 58:42?

    • @GregGallagher
      @GregGallagher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I realize I’m a year late but the band he mentions is The Adolescents.

    • @nachotorres8083
      @nachotorres8083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GregGallagher Dont worry, I wasnt going anywhere xD ! Thanks!!

    • @GregGallagher
      @GregGallagher 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nachotorres8083 haha nice, and you’re very welcome! Definitely check out the Adolescents if you’ve haven’t heard them before. They were another great SoCal punk band of the late 70s/early 80s. Along with Agent Orange and T.S.O.L.

    • @nachotorres8083
      @nachotorres8083 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@GregGallagher I know them, the problem was that I'm spanish and I couldn't understand what he said (now that I know what he said I dont understand how I missed it xD). Thanks!

    • @GregGallagher
      @GregGallagher 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nachotorres8083 nice, he says it so fast it’s easy to miss. I wish I spoke Spanish lol, would’ve made a lot of situations in life alot easier

  • @Rlyeh_The_Dead
    @Rlyeh_The_Dead 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicholas Cage started a band? neat!

  • @elmoblatch9787
    @elmoblatch9787 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ah kids, to see this video with yellow-shirted goons in front of the stage just makes me sad. I first saw BR probably in 1989 or 1990 in Tijuana. No visible security. We climbed on stage, danced with the band, dived off stage, repeat. The moshing was chaotic, but not too violent. Greg kicked out a kid who was literally trying to beat up everyone. It's sad to see this level of security. The golden age is long dead...long dead.

    • @andrewsmith5394
      @andrewsmith5394 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Personally, I'm kinda happy to see all the security.I know it changes the feel of the live show, but I really don't want to see Greg Graffin end up like Dimebag Darrell.

    • @GrayWoIf
      @GrayWoIf 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      a guy tackled greg in the along the way vhs at one show he just brushed him off and kept going

  • @jasperfleming9318
    @jasperfleming9318 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Does anyone else think Gurewitz looks like Sylvester Stallone?

  • @juanmillion9658
    @juanmillion9658 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    No one is going to judge you, yet they booted their guitarist over WHAT?

    • @fracinawsome
      @fracinawsome 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      which guitarist?

    • @juanmillion9658
      @juanmillion9658 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      +fracinawsome Greg Hetson

    • @thisismsid9999
      @thisismsid9999 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      what time of the video are you referring to

    • @fracinawsome
      @fracinawsome 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i'm pretty sure he left to deal with personal issues

    • @thisismsid9999
      @thisismsid9999 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      fracinawsome yeah, that's what i thought too

  • @SpongeBath_ShitPants
    @SpongeBath_ShitPants 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The vocal harmonies were clearly overdubbed after this show was filmed. That's the only thing BR have ever done that I found disappointing.

    • @dip_doop
      @dip_doop 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      or they cut the songs from the multiple performances that sounded best

  • @JM-fc9gm
    @JM-fc9gm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cringey fan interviews

  • @brandonjohnson3703
    @brandonjohnson3703 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love Bad Religion, but I dislike how they lost their Anarchism and became run of the mill Democrats

    • @yefartz108
      @yefartz108 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think they were ever anarchists

    • @brandonjohnson3703
      @brandonjohnson3703 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yefartz108 it’s funny because now I’m a centrist Democrat and hate leftists lol

    • @brandonjohnson3703
      @brandonjohnson3703 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yefartz108 but of course they were, listen to the Generator album

    • @yefartz108
      @yefartz108 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brandonjohnson3703 each member describes their politics as something completely different they are not unified anarchists Greg Graffin is what he refers to as a naturalist. We are all inherently anarchists, it just doesn't work in this context of society. They do sing about it though

    • @yefartz108
      @yefartz108 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brandonjohnson3703 I am a green permaculturist. I think if we took European city models and transform them into smart Eco cities while practicing agriculture in harmony with nature IE food forests etc it might work