An intellectual guitarist. You sir are one of the few musicians who live in the real world. Being a person with extreme abilities on guitar does not mean they are exceptional music composers. People just want 5 minutes of extreme guitar. That does not make you another Mozart.
Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. And I fully agree that skill on the instrument, though often correlated to, is different from skill as a composer
Agreed. If you look at those guitarists with flashy titles, its all about "20 techniques in 20 seconds", "neckless guitar", "guitarless neck" and so on... Only to draw attention, but not enough about real music.
Thank you for doing this. Great shout on Rabea. Hes a musician first, then a guitarist, and maybe just an inspiration with all the gear and Andertons work.
I can agree with you. I find modern guitarists to be unlistenable. even some of my favorite older guitarists have lost me. I love a great hook, and a song that has a theme that flows through it. Pink Floyd and TOOL being two of my favorites for this. Satch and Vai are my favorites of the virtuosos. but, I reached a point where their music just didn't capture me like the earlier stuff. my mind can barely keep up with what Tim Henson does on a guitar, it is fascinating to watch. but, I described Polyphia's music as "adhd" once. that is what I hear when I listen to modern guitarists. it is like chaos, it lacks the direction of a well crafted song. I listen to a song like TOOL's Rosetta Stoned. that song is a bit chaotic because it is conveying someone on a mesaclin trip. however, I lock onto Adam taking a riff and exploring it in many different ways throughout the song. probably the best example for me would be Pink Floyd's the Wall. throughout that album, at various points you are brought back to that kind of peddling on the open d note. it flows, it has a direction by establishing an undercurrent. I am probably describing this horribly but, I don't know how else to describe what I find missing in the modern guitarists.
Pink Floyd has a certain quality, which I can't define, but just makes it feel just perfect. Like every note has its place and nothing else would make sense there. I've listened to Dark Side and the Wall on loop more times than I can remember over the last twenty years. Tim Henson, I did like GOAT, it felt fresh but after the initial novelty, Polyphia feels pretty much as you described. I did appreciate they brought the guitar forward but now the space is crowded with a similar sound, of crazy technique on relatively clean guitar with harmonics, pitch jumps, tapping and the lot. It feels like the 80s shred race all over again to me
David Gilmore of Pink Floyd . His whole musical approach and style could make statements against the new players styles. It was like he played slow on purpose to prove his point. People cant just turn there backs on truth in the past and exalt themselfs in total disregard. They can't do that unless we also ignore the truth and make no point for the past. It's not worth it to me to play so like the new guys and grab wannabeees attention who don't know good music and have the modern taste of digital dilemma.
thats mainly because most of ichika's music is on youtube, very few of his works are on spotify same applies for most other artists like bernth, manuel gardner fernandes, etc
There is a limitation to this: platform bias. Some people just prefer youtube (me for example). Also, its still hard to make the jump to the assumption that music is becoming more of a spectacle; it can be argued that happended in every decade with gimmicks abound to catch attention. Music as an art exists side by side with it as a business; even in the classical period, patrons prefered certain forms of music and that inevitably led to the rise of certain musicians over others. In the era of social media, one thing we have to consider is the fact that musicians now have control over their material and have a much more direct relationship with their audience; basically its a relatively democratic form of patronage. From personal experience, music of any complexity can be a good listen. I love Lizzy McAlpine as much as the Aristocrats for example, and it just depends on how you consume the music. Everyone is capable of consuming music of all complexities, but depending on their backgrounds, how their taste developed, and even their daily mood, they will prefer some things over others; the great thing now is that we can just go on social media and play what we feel like instead of having to wait on a song to come on the radio or mtv
Greetings Utkarash I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to take a moment to express my appreciation for your channel and the insightful discussions you share. Recently, I came across a video of yours that made me think of a Charles Kuralt quote: "Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends, fads, and popular opinion." It's not surprising to see the numbers you reviewed for each TH-camr on your video, as many people are seeking attention, which has become the new currency in the online world. This is evident in popular Instagram accounts, where only a small percentage of followers engage with each post. Once again, thanks for your dedication to your craft, and I look forward to seeing more of your content.
@@ministryofguitar I'm starting a new in this Chinese year of the Dragon to showcase my musical journey. Can I get your support as I have shown you mine?
I was born in 76 and I’ve heard it all at this point. If I had only one guitarist I could listen to for the rest of my life, it would be Max Ostro. I would rather listen to an instrumental album from him than an album by the greatest band to ever exist. lol Now, he just needs to make an album. 😂
That might be cause my aproach as a guitar media consumer is different between youtube and music media… for example at yt some vloggers like mike addams, fluff and rett shull are my go to, as some vintage guitar users but as music i prefer the modern metal direction so i have never heard rett shull bands but if he uploads new content i will see it
Dude you are spot on, there are so many factors that come into play. I've been studying this for the past few years, confused as to why some of my favorite artist have so little monthly listeners. Space and time are very important factors. Ex: Michael Jackson has around 40M monthly listeners while The Weekend has just above 100M. Although I prefer how Michael Jackson chose to fill the space within his music, sometimes I get tired of listening to him since I've heard his music my whole life. Therefore causing me to listening to something unfamiliar to me such as The Weekend. Hope that makes sense, either way: Subscribed! :))
Interesting idea for people- does the visual component of the guitarist’s performance add to the experience? Often with many guitarists the visuals are the most important component People love to see the tapping and slapping all over the fretboard as it adds to the experience, but simply listening to it doesn’t supply the same effect at all. More sizzle than steak.
I think this just proves that video entertainment (TH-cam) and music (Spotify) are entirely different forms of entertainment and have different audiences. When you looked at the stats of someone known as a "TH-camr guitarist" vs a "musician," this became apparent. This also proves TH-camr guitarists with large audiences are not necessary making guitar music more popular or mainstream.
I must agree, it seems to me that spectacle is far more valued than substance, and that isn't exclusive to music. I've seen a lot of younger people claim that we, who see it, are just boomers yelling at clouds, but to characterize the issue as generational tension is intellectually lazy. Most, not all, of the players on YT are very clever in front of a camera and good at editing video, but don't seem to understand what a musician's job is: communication through emotional connection. Some that I know can't or won't play to a live audience. It's like being an actor or public speaker who can recite a whole bunch of pretty, complicated words that are nothing but non sequiturs. While I acknowledge that there are certainly exceptions, most of it sounds sterile, flat, and lifeless.
I agree with what you’re saying overall. But I don’t think you can compare TH-cam vs only Spotify. TH-cam is by far and away the largest video platform. Spotify is just 1 music platform. Not everyone uses Spotify. I’m sure there are listeners on different platforms and some users on TH-cam that use it for listening to music rather than watching the artists page/content. But over all I do have the feeling that the numbers would tell the same story.
New sub here. You have an interesting channel, my man! Basing your data of Spotify customers alone is super flawed. You leave out Apple Music, Amazon, others. Spotify themselves on a brag says they have over 30% of the streamed music. That's 65%+ happening elsewhere.
yeah the assumption here is that Spotify is a statistically significant enough sample to draw some conclusions. Not perfect, but perfect data is rarely available
I can't relate to a lot of Modern guitarists, I play guitar with the hope to one day play in a band and make music but a lot of modern guys appear to just play guitar to show off their skills\their personal performance. Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate how good they are and they are amazing but, I have zero interest in listening to\watching them. Great vid as always sir! :)
Yeah I've never really been into 'guitar' music either though the bands I like feature a lot of guitar. Rabea Massad is probably the only exception but he is more about textures and songs than technical wizardry. Thank you for the kind words
I like watching shredders, at least for a few minutes. But when I put on an album, I go to bands like AC/DC and Kiss. Most people prefer songwriting over classical-type pieces and finger gymnastics.
@@tommybinsonThese modern guitarists try so hard to be impressive that their songs end up being less catchy than something like ac/dc or kiss, and they can't impart the same kind of testosterone-fueled swagger that makes a live audience want to shake their butt or pump their fist in time with the beat
I'm wondering if things are really different in modern times. In my growing up period there were people like Joe Satriani. Haw many average music listeners had heard of him? Steve Vai. Tony MacAlpine. These were top tier players when I was younger but most people did not know who they were. Even Randy Rhoads, who is well known amongst guitar players to this day, is probably not known by most music listeners.
I don't think it cheapens the music. I think the point is to aspire to the place where people listen to one's music for the music alone. That certainly is my aspiration
Thats why Jonh fruciante is my fav, he dont care about performance, looks or fancy stuff, however if u want to be musician today u need to be fancy, is the safe way. (Sry for the bad english)
You are very wrong sir, tNumber of subscribers doesn't really mean number of fans or actual consistent viewers, many people subscribe to a channel because they saw one cool video and never watch it or watch the youtuber ever again, just like the number of total viewers of a channel doesn't also correlate to numbers of actual fans, you can have one video go went viral and make up 90% of channel's total view count, many people can have watched it even knowing who is the artist making the video nor caring about the rest of his videos or about following him. So to go and make that comparison to suggest that since one has 2M subs and 200K listeners then most of his fans don't listen to him is just logically incorrect since it is based on incorrect assumptions. An actual better way to compare it that would've made more sense (since you are using monthly listeners) would actually be to go see Ichika's latest video for the last month and check their number of views and you'll see that for his latest videos most don't even have 200K views and even if we see for the last year most of his videos are around 200K (with only 4 or 5 videos that actually approached or reached 500K so still far from 2M). By the time you made this video the number of views in his latest videos has been less than the number of monthly listeners in spotify meaning people currently are listening to him more than watching him which is ironically the opposite of your entire argument, and so just by actually using 2 comparable metrics we get the actual conclusion that "Yes people do listen to him more". (that is without mentioning the fact that whatever little views he got in youtube was because he uploaded new videos while he is still keeping a higher listener count in spotify without adding any new song) You compared 2 unrelated numbers that work differently, number of subscribers in youtube to number of monthly listeners in spotify, and used the sub number in youtube as a measure of viewers (which is again very incorrect as proven before). Monthly listeners is a variable that changes monthly, every month the number is recounted from 0 so you need to need to have a very faithful fanbase that listens to you to keep it up at that high number, sub number is a static number that isn't recounted every month but generally only keeps increases with time regardless of weither more people watch your or not (generally only decreases if you get canceled lol). Also you didn't take into account Ichika Nito's bands which he doesn't even promote yet have a considerable amount of listeners and have been touring Japan last year. So in conclusion, your analysis is very biased and illogical, you compared 2 incomparable variables and inferred incorrect conclusions from them based on even more incorrect assumptions.
I get what you’re saying, but sometimes being a musician and listening to stuff like polyphia can be just as good as listening to stuff like pink floyd is to you guys, if not better
I wonder if you might be thinking about this backwards. To me, it seems to say more about the consumer. And you have a couple of different styles of social media guys. First, there’s the gear guys like Rabea. I’ll watch if he has something I’m interested in because he’s professional and I’ll get a good feel for the product. That has never translated into any sort of interest in his music. Then guys like Ichika… I followed him for a minute and I checked out their albums, but just didn’t like them that much, so I unfollowed. However, I always follow the Instagram of the bands I listen to (that are still active)…. Mostly so I can see when they’re coming to town. I’ll also watch their interviews on TH-cam and podcasts. Could it be that the people that want to watch something may not go looking for something to listen to, but the people that are listening may go looking for more content.
the rationalizations in the comments are absurd - "ohhh it's cuz of this or that technical aspect of youtube or spotify" - no, it's exactly what the dude said - people are not there for the music. These guys built themselves up as youtubers (or instagram people), and that's how they're seen, and that's what people go to them for. It's cool to see someone like Ichika or any of these guys play a crazy 30 second solo or composition every week or whatever, but just seeing their flashy guitar vids doesn't make me want to listen to their music.
To quote Keith Richards, A solo is fleeting, a Riff is forever. Modern guitarists you mentioned at the start of this video, seem to be of the Notes per second type, with all technique and no musical substance. None of their songs are memorable, there is nothing that gets you to want to sing along with it. The production is the "Fill every audible space " type. Frank Zappa use to call Steve Via his " Stunt Guitarist " when he was in his band, a lot of Flash, and things haven't changed for him, none of his music is memorable except to guitarists who wish to emulate his techniques. The simple answer is, no memorable Riff equals no memorable song, equals very few listeners.
Thats because they are into showcaseing there abilities that most people cant do. Its not about for them making good music. They bought into satans lie and what is more sad is so do alot of new guitarists. Its a show off tool for them of " look what i can do and you cant look how skilled i am" that doesn't make great music.
I follow most of these guys and as a guitar player I like them but to listen to their music I would say is not as entertaining. It gets boring and repetitive. Guitar shredding and wanking no matter how talented they are I can only take so much of instrumental guitar. Rather listen to a full good band where it’s about the song and not about the guitar. Look at for example Dean Lamb channel, he does a lot of guitar stuff but his band Archspire, they seem pretty popular for a niche death metal band. I guess in the end to sum up good band > solo god level guitarist
Oh boy...this video is such a fallacy... It just depends on where you're core audience is at. It's like claiming that if your TikTok/Instagram is failing compared to your YT channel, you are somehow not interesting enough without a sound? There is no real logic behind your claims. By that logic, Gorillaz Feel Good Inc is only popular because of it's visuals? Or could it...MAYBE be, because YT is a far FAR bigger platform? Just for context to my example given: Feel Good Inc. on YT - 800m, on spotify 1.3m. Your find only proves that most of their fanbase is on YT, and not many of those actually use spotify. This video seems so much like rage-bait. Guess it's easier than actually making good content?
Seeing this made me wonder how my current favorite guitarist fares: Plini. 257k youtube / 317k Spotify Of course there are going to be exceptions. But I think what this points out is that it's harder to make music well than play guitar well. I found that of myself, at some point I felt myself an accomplished guitar player, yet I struggled making any music that I liked. It's also probably just a completely different skill. In order to be one of these stand-out guitar players, you have to take so much of your time with the craft of guitar, that you don't have time to practice writing music. I've known musicians that are just barely passible at the instrument, yet their music was always so much better than mine. I think this is why collaboration is important. Thanks again for the insight, it gives the mind places to go!
Thanks. Plini is for me one of those who straddles both worlds of virtuoso songwriter and guitarist. Some of his most iconic lines (in the music) actually aren't that complicated, like the beginning of electric sunrise
lol Why do you assume everyone uses Spotify? If you got TH-cam Premium you don't need Spotify. Monthly listeners just mean people subscribe to his channel, I don't subscribe to most of the channels I listened to on Spotify. You reasoning is flawed.
Less than 4% of youtuber users use TH-cam premium. Spotify has the highest number of users amongst all music streaming platforms. The numbers are TH-cam premium about 100 mill, Spotify close to 600 mil, Absolute TH-cam users about 2.7 Bill
Glad someone has the balls to tell things are they are.
An intellectual guitarist. You sir are one of the few musicians who live in the real world. Being a person with extreme abilities on guitar does not mean they are exceptional music composers. People just want 5 minutes of extreme guitar. That does not make you another Mozart.
Thank you. I appreciate the kind words. And I fully agree that skill on the instrument, though often correlated to, is different from skill as a composer
Agreed. If you look at those guitarists with flashy titles, its all about "20 techniques in 20 seconds", "neckless guitar", "guitarless neck" and so on... Only to draw attention, but not enough about real music.
I was thinking about this the other day. When I’m at work, a lot of times, I’m humming a song to myself. I never hum guitar solos to myself……
You are really adding to „guitar TH-cam“ for me. Thanks for the interesting content
Thank you. Appreciate it
Thank you for doing this.
Great shout on Rabea. Hes a musician first, then a guitarist, and maybe just an inspiration with all the gear and Andertons work.
Thanks and yes, Rabea’s music is definitely amazing
I can agree with you. I find modern guitarists to be unlistenable. even some of my favorite older guitarists have lost me. I love a great hook, and a song that has a theme that flows through it. Pink Floyd and TOOL being two of my favorites for this. Satch and Vai are my favorites of the virtuosos. but, I reached a point where their music just didn't capture me like the earlier stuff. my mind can barely keep up with what Tim Henson does on a guitar, it is fascinating to watch. but, I described Polyphia's music as "adhd" once. that is what I hear when I listen to modern guitarists. it is like chaos, it lacks the direction of a well crafted song. I listen to a song like TOOL's Rosetta Stoned. that song is a bit chaotic because it is conveying someone on a mesaclin trip. however, I lock onto Adam taking a riff and exploring it in many different ways throughout the song. probably the best example for me would be Pink Floyd's the Wall. throughout that album, at various points you are brought back to that kind of peddling on the open d note. it flows, it has a direction by establishing an undercurrent. I am probably describing this horribly but, I don't know how else to describe what I find missing in the modern guitarists.
Pink Floyd has a certain quality, which I can't define, but just makes it feel just perfect. Like every note has its place and nothing else would make sense there. I've listened to Dark Side and the Wall on loop more times than I can remember over the last twenty years. Tim Henson, I did like GOAT, it felt fresh but after the initial novelty, Polyphia feels pretty much as you described. I did appreciate they brought the guitar forward but now the space is crowded with a similar sound, of crazy technique on relatively clean guitar with harmonics, pitch jumps, tapping and the lot. It feels like the 80s shred race all over again to me
David Gilmore of Pink Floyd . His whole musical approach and style could make statements against the new players styles. It was like he played slow on purpose to prove his point. People cant just turn there backs on truth in the past and exalt themselfs in total disregard. They can't do that unless we also ignore the truth and make no point for the past. It's not worth it to me to play so like the new guys and grab wannabeees attention who don't know good music and have the modern taste of digital dilemma.
thats mainly because most of ichika's music is on youtube, very few of his works are on spotify
same applies for most other artists like bernth, manuel gardner fernandes, etc
I'm not an expert on Ichika but for Bernth, everything he does on TH-cam is on Spotify
There is a limitation to this: platform bias. Some people just prefer youtube (me for example). Also, its still hard to make the jump to the assumption that music is becoming more of a spectacle; it can be argued that happended in every decade with gimmicks abound to catch attention.
Music as an art exists side by side with it as a business; even in the classical period, patrons prefered certain forms of music and that inevitably led to the rise of certain musicians over others.
In the era of social media, one thing we have to consider is the fact that musicians now have control over their material and have a much more direct relationship with their audience; basically its a relatively democratic form of patronage.
From personal experience, music of any complexity can be a good listen. I love Lizzy McAlpine as much as the Aristocrats for example, and it just depends on how you consume the music. Everyone is capable of consuming music of all complexities, but depending on their backgrounds, how their taste developed, and even their daily mood, they will prefer some things over others; the great thing now is that we can just go on social media and play what we feel like instead of having to wait on a song to come on the radio or mtv
Greetings Utkarash I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to take a moment to express my appreciation for your channel and the insightful discussions you share. Recently, I came across a video of yours that made me think of a Charles Kuralt quote: "Great things are not accomplished by those who yield to trends, fads, and popular opinion."
It's not surprising to see the numbers you reviewed for each TH-camr on your video, as many people are seeking attention, which has become the new currency in the online world. This is evident in popular Instagram accounts, where only a small percentage of followers engage with each post.
Once again, thanks for your dedication to your craft, and I look forward to seeing more of your content.
Thank you . Appreciate the kind words. It's encouragement like this that fuels inspiration
@@ministryofguitar I'm starting a new in this Chinese year of the Dragon to showcase my musical journey. Can I get your support as I have shown you mine?
For sure
I was born in 76 and I’ve heard it all at this point. If I had only one guitarist I could listen to for the rest of my life, it would be Max Ostro. I would rather listen to an instrumental album from him than an album by the greatest band to ever exist. lol Now, he just needs to make an album. 😂
Gen X tends to have a balanced view on these things
That might be cause my aproach as a guitar media consumer is different between youtube and music media… for example at yt some vloggers like mike addams, fluff and rett shull are my go to, as some vintage guitar users but as music i prefer the modern metal direction so i have never heard rett shull bands but if he uploads new content i will see it
Dude you are spot on, there are so many factors that come into play. I've been studying this for the past few years, confused as to why some of my favorite artist have so little monthly listeners. Space and time are very important factors. Ex: Michael Jackson has around 40M monthly listeners while The Weekend has just above 100M. Although I prefer how Michael Jackson chose to fill the space within his music, sometimes I get tired of listening to him since I've heard his music my whole life. Therefore causing me to listening to something unfamiliar to me such as The Weekend. Hope that makes sense, either way: Subscribed! :))
Interesting idea for people- does the visual component of the guitarist’s performance add to the experience?
Often with many guitarists the visuals are the most important component
People love to see the tapping and slapping all over the fretboard as it adds to the experience, but simply listening to it doesn’t supply the same effect at all.
More sizzle than steak.
you sir are a great story teller!
I think this just proves that video entertainment (TH-cam) and music (Spotify) are entirely different forms of entertainment and have different audiences.
When you looked at the stats of someone known as a "TH-camr guitarist" vs a "musician," this became apparent.
This also proves TH-camr guitarists with large audiences are not necessary making guitar music more popular or mainstream.
True. Why does this dude think everyone is using Spotify?
An interesting, well-made video. Thanks for your work. And I admire your love of guitar. Music brings people together. 😊
Thank you. Appreciate the kind words
thank you for this!
Rabea is on whole another musical level than these ”guitar tricksters” which you mentioned, that’s why other people than guitarists like his music too
I must agree, it seems to me that spectacle is far more valued than substance, and that isn't exclusive to music. I've seen a lot of younger people claim that we, who see it, are just boomers yelling at clouds, but to characterize the issue as generational tension is intellectually lazy. Most, not all, of the players on YT are very clever in front of a camera and good at editing video, but don't seem to understand what a musician's job is: communication through emotional connection. Some that I know can't or won't play to a live audience. It's like being an actor or public speaker who can recite a whole bunch of pretty, complicated words that are nothing but non sequiturs. While I acknowledge that there are certainly exceptions, most of it sounds sterile, flat, and lifeless.
I agree with what you’re saying overall. But I don’t think you can compare TH-cam vs only Spotify. TH-cam is by far and away the largest video platform. Spotify is just 1 music platform. Not everyone uses Spotify. I’m sure there are listeners on different platforms and some users on TH-cam that use it for listening to music rather than watching the artists page/content. But over all I do have the feeling that the numbers would tell the same story.
Yeah I think you point is fair enough
@@ministryofguitar love your channel. Your a unique voice in the space.
@@MatthewFolstad thank you. Appreciate it
New sub here. You have an interesting channel, my man!
Basing your data of Spotify customers alone is super flawed. You leave out Apple Music, Amazon, others. Spotify themselves on a brag says they have over 30% of the streamed music. That's 65%+ happening elsewhere.
yeah the assumption here is that Spotify is a statistically significant enough sample to draw some conclusions. Not perfect, but perfect data is rarely available
I can't relate to a lot of Modern guitarists, I play guitar with the hope to one day play in a band and make music but a lot of modern guys appear to just play guitar to show off their skills\their personal performance. Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate how good they are and they are amazing but, I have zero interest in listening to\watching them. Great vid as always sir! :)
Yeah I've never really been into 'guitar' music either though the bands I like feature a lot of guitar. Rabea Massad is probably the only exception but he is more about textures and songs than technical wizardry. Thank you for the kind words
I like watching shredders, at least for a few minutes. But when I put on an album, I go to bands like AC/DC and Kiss. Most people prefer songwriting over classical-type pieces and finger gymnastics.
@@tommybinsonThese modern guitarists try so hard to be impressive that their songs end up being less catchy than something like ac/dc or kiss, and they can't impart the same kind of testosterone-fueled swagger that makes a live audience want to shake their butt or pump their fist in time with the beat
I'm wondering if things are really different in modern times. In my growing up period there were people like Joe Satriani. Haw many average music listeners had heard of him? Steve Vai. Tony MacAlpine. These were top tier players when I was younger but most people did not know who they were. Even Randy Rhoads, who is well known amongst guitar players to this day, is probably not known by most music listeners.
I think you have a good point. Virtuoso guitarists have always mainly had other guitarists as fans
@@ministryofguitarAnd we love them!
Nail on the head. Does being a TH-camr primarily cheapen the music if I am to work on my audience there? I suppose I have to study what Polyphia did
I don't think it cheapens the music. I think the point is to aspire to the place where people listen to one's music for the music alone. That certainly is my aspiration
let me guess....they fear playing a simple bend with emotion??
Thats why Jonh fruciante is my fav, he dont care about performance, looks or fancy stuff, however if u want to be musician today u need to be fancy, is the safe way. (Sry for the bad english)
If good playing is what an audience wants to see then what is wrong with it ?
You are very wrong sir, tNumber of subscribers doesn't really mean number of fans or actual consistent viewers, many people subscribe to a channel because they saw one cool video and never watch it or watch the youtuber ever again, just like the number of total viewers of a channel doesn't also correlate to numbers of actual fans, you can have one video go went viral and make up 90% of channel's total view count, many people can have watched it even knowing who is the artist making the video nor caring about the rest of his videos or about following him. So to go and make that comparison to suggest that since one has 2M subs and 200K listeners then most of his fans don't listen to him is just logically incorrect since it is based on incorrect assumptions.
An actual better way to compare it that would've made more sense (since you are using monthly listeners) would actually be to go see Ichika's latest video for the last month and check their number of views and you'll see that for his latest videos most don't even have 200K views and even if we see for the last year most of his videos are around 200K (with only 4 or 5 videos that actually approached or reached 500K so still far from 2M). By the time you made this video the number of views in his latest videos has been less than the number of monthly listeners in spotify meaning people currently are listening to him more than watching him which is ironically the opposite of your entire argument, and so just by actually using 2 comparable metrics we get the actual conclusion that "Yes people do listen to him more".
(that is without mentioning the fact that whatever little views he got in youtube was because he uploaded new videos while he is still keeping a higher listener count in spotify without adding any new song)
You compared 2 unrelated numbers that work differently, number of subscribers in youtube to number of monthly listeners in spotify, and used the sub number in youtube as a measure of viewers (which is again very incorrect as proven before). Monthly listeners is a variable that changes monthly, every month the number is recounted from 0 so you need to need to have a very faithful fanbase that listens to you to keep it up at that high number, sub number is a static number that isn't recounted every month but generally only keeps increases with time regardless of weither more people watch your or not (generally only decreases if you get canceled lol).
Also you didn't take into account Ichika Nito's bands which he doesn't even promote yet have a considerable amount of listeners and have been touring Japan last year.
So in conclusion, your analysis is very biased and illogical, you compared 2 incomparable variables and inferred incorrect conclusions from them based on even more incorrect assumptions.
I get what you’re saying, but sometimes being a musician and listening to stuff like polyphia can be just as good as listening to stuff like pink floyd is to you guys, if not better
haha i'm not sure who you guys are. Pink Floyd released their best work more than 10 years before I was born. Polyphia is much more my generation
I wonder if you might be thinking about this backwards. To me, it seems to say more about the consumer. And you have a couple of different styles of social media guys. First, there’s the gear guys like Rabea. I’ll watch if he has something I’m interested in because he’s professional and I’ll get a good feel for the product. That has never translated into any sort of interest in his music. Then guys like Ichika… I followed him for a minute and I checked out their albums, but just didn’t like them that much, so I unfollowed. However, I always follow the Instagram of the bands I listen to (that are still active)…. Mostly so I can see when they’re coming to town. I’ll also watch their interviews on TH-cam and podcasts. Could it be that the people that want to watch something may not go looking for something to listen to, but the people that are listening may go looking for more content.
the rationalizations in the comments are absurd - "ohhh it's cuz of this or that technical aspect of youtube or spotify" - no, it's exactly what the dude said - people are not there for the music. These guys built themselves up as youtubers (or instagram people), and that's how they're seen, and that's what people go to them for. It's cool to see someone like Ichika or any of these guys play a crazy 30 second solo or composition every week or whatever, but just seeing their flashy guitar vids doesn't make me want to listen to their music.
To quote Keith Richards, A solo is fleeting, a Riff is forever. Modern guitarists you mentioned at the start of this video, seem to be of the Notes per second type, with all technique and no musical substance. None of their songs are memorable, there is nothing that gets you to want to sing along with it. The production is the "Fill every audible space " type. Frank Zappa use to call Steve Via his " Stunt Guitarist " when he was in his band, a lot of Flash, and things haven't changed for him, none of his music is memorable except to guitarists who wish to emulate his techniques. The simple answer is, no memorable Riff equals no memorable song, equals very few listeners.
as for bernth, he's mostly a guitar teacher. he makes a stpid amoing of money for patreon lessons ($50,000 minimum A MONTH).
I had no idea about that
Thats because they are into showcaseing there abilities that most people cant do. Its not about for them making good music. They bought into satans lie and what is more sad is so do alot of new guitarists. Its a show off tool for them of " look what i can do and you cant look how skilled i am" that doesn't make great music.
I'm tired of pushing thumbs up button for your videos.
Haha thank you. It never gets old
I follow most of these guys and as a guitar player I like them but to listen to their music I would say is not as entertaining. It gets boring and repetitive. Guitar shredding and wanking no matter how talented they are I can only take so much of instrumental guitar. Rather listen to a full good band where it’s about the song and not about the guitar.
Look at for example Dean Lamb channel, he does a lot of guitar stuff but his band Archspire, they seem pretty popular for a niche death metal band.
I guess in the end to sum up good band > solo god level guitarist
Oh boy...this video is such a fallacy...
It just depends on where you're core audience is at. It's like claiming that if your TikTok/Instagram is failing compared to your YT channel, you are somehow not interesting enough without a sound? There is no real logic behind your claims. By that logic, Gorillaz Feel Good Inc is only popular because of it's visuals? Or could it...MAYBE be, because YT is a far FAR bigger platform?
Just for context to my example given: Feel Good Inc. on YT - 800m, on spotify 1.3m.
Your find only proves that most of their fanbase is on YT, and not many of those actually use spotify.
This video seems so much like rage-bait. Guess it's easier than actually making good content?
Seeing this made me wonder how my current favorite guitarist fares: Plini.
257k youtube / 317k Spotify
Of course there are going to be exceptions. But I think what this points out is that it's harder to make music well than play guitar well.
I found that of myself, at some point I felt myself an accomplished guitar player, yet I struggled making any music that I liked.
It's also probably just a completely different skill. In order to be one of these stand-out guitar players, you have to take so much of your time with the craft of guitar, that you don't have time to practice writing music.
I've known musicians that are just barely passible at the instrument, yet their music was always so much better than mine. I think this is why collaboration is important.
Thanks again for the insight, it gives the mind places to go!
Thanks. Plini is for me one of those who straddles both worlds of virtuoso songwriter and guitarist. Some of his most iconic lines (in the music) actually aren't that complicated, like the beginning of electric sunrise
lol Why do you assume everyone uses Spotify? If you got TH-cam Premium you don't need Spotify. Monthly listeners just mean people subscribe to his channel, I don't subscribe to most of the channels I listened to on Spotify. You reasoning is flawed.
Less than 4% of youtuber users use TH-cam premium. Spotify has the highest number of users amongst all music streaming platforms. The numbers are TH-cam premium about 100 mill, Spotify close to 600 mil, Absolute TH-cam users about 2.7 Bill
Spotify is not free of charge that is the big reason