Sam will always be the ONLY guy in the AMMO biz who sent out repeat warnings to all his customers in 2019 that said......"ammo is at 12 year lows guys, if you need anything, now is the time" I look back on that space in time and say, just like EF Hutton, when Sam talks, I listen. I only ended up buying what I was low on for my range use, but I'm glad I did. It kept us shooting at the range when others had to give it up due to the shortages and pricing during the pandemic. Thank you Sam, you're the best.
thank you!! You know its funny you mention that because of all the people that attacked me for saying it, hundreds or maybe thousands of people on forums, social media or in reply to those emails, calling it fear mongering, scare tactics, etc etc, acting like prices at that time were 'normal' and where they would stay, but history does show the facts in hindsight, the market bust of 2017 to 2019 was one of the greatest periods of time for the consumer to take advantage of the market cycle and the industry. It drove Remington into bankruptcy, almost killed Federal, CCI, Speer, Winchester could have gone after that if the market stayed like that for 1 more year. Just look at their stock prices in 2019, those companies could have been bought up for almost nothing in a hostile takeover. I operated SGAmmo at a $2 million loss for that 3 year periods. At least I got to make up for it in 2020 and 2021 with some good profits those years and average things out to something that did not seem so bad. All that said, I feel like we are again in a position of the market cycle where the consumer is able to by many ammo options at 4 year lows and its a great time to buy, I'm not loosing money doing it now but the margins are razor thin.
@@SGAmmo_LLC Sam, your honesty and integrity has been unquestionable since I became a customer years ago. I'm glad I paid attention to those emails as well. Cheers
I’ve been a customer for over a decade. You are my go to supplier. I know that you are as fair as you can be, while remaining afloat, so I will continue buying from you. Thanks Sam.
No kidding. SG is basically the only place I order ammo from anymore. I really like the lack of “hidden fees” really makes me mad when the checkout price starts climbing
I remember surplus at .15 cents a round for 308 and 10 cents for 556 and then Bill Clinton passed an EO banning importation of military ammo and prices started climbing
Hello Sg ammo, we all wish the price was a tad lower but we really appreciate SG ammo for bringing the ammo in and hopefully you guys continue to bring in different options and surplus in. I can’t even imagine how hard is to bring that stuff in the country
realistically for the factory to make money and retail to make money, it should cost me 40 to 43 cents depending on M193 or M855, and I should sell it for 46 to 50 cents, when it goes below that someone is starting to make nothing or lose money, if it goes above that then either the factory or the retailer is starting to make extra money
@@Enjoyer.762I recall when trump banned bump stocks with an executive order (recently deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court) so what makes him any different? I don't worship or trust any of these politicians. I would bet neither trump nor harris own any firearms and never have.
@@SGAmmo_LLC the gunpowder I'm sure helps but it's the way in which the casing and the primer is sealed in what kind of a humidity situation the ammo was stored in.
Glad you guys are offering this for sale, .45c is a bit much for me now, it may be a good price I don't know? I have bought cases of golden tiger 7.62 by 39 in the past for about 24c ea., hopefully you can get a ton of surplus from them again but not holding my breath. Keep up the good work, great company.
Been buying from your company for the last 8+ years keep up the good work! Would like to see more stuff in battlepacks already canned something like lake city m193 420 rounds in a 30 cal can would be great!
Thank you!! We do a lot of ammo in cans, but not battle packs. I could look into doing battle packs, but these sort of jobs are labor intensive and do add a lot of cost
I had two cases ordered as soon as I saw the email yesterday. PPU has been my main go-to for M193 for years and if I can get the same ammo that usually goes for 520 per case for a discount because it is "surplus", then I'm all for it. I wish I wasn't completely broke or I'd love to get more as well as some more SB9B 9mm ammunition as soon as more comes in.
and you can only guess about how much gun powders and primers have been improved since then, I'd wager that ammo made today with modern powders and technology, and if packed in sealed packaging, will still be good in 200+ years, but we will not be around to see if it is so
LOL, the 762 nato cost me 59.5 cents, and I pay the shipping cost on cases (about $23 a case on average until I get to 200+ pounds in a single shipment where it drops a bit), credit card fee (about 3% of the total so $11-$12), box, tape labor to overpack securely (about $5), etc built into my markup. I'm really not in the business to lose 20-somthing percent. Guys... the markup on ammo by the case these days is almost nothing, its a game where we try to sell thousands of cases a day and making $10 to $30 a case on them, not selling a hundred cases and making $100+ each, it just does not work that way
I'll give you 280$ for a 1000rds. Let's pretend it's still 2019. Until then, I will not be buying anymore 556 and will continue to train with my tippman m4-22lr. I can buy 5000rds of 22lr for 270 dollars and that is a much better deal and you can train alot more.
Its not realistic to expect that, but glad to hear you are still plinking away with your 22. IMO that is almost as fun, and like you say it costs way less
😅 That was good ammo when I shot it between 2005 and 2015... Plus that brand had the heavier bullet weights that were hard to obtain, and expensive from 'Black hills' It's good for us that Jordan has high standards to help the militia market😅
@@wowufailatlife Lake City cut off supply of 50 BMG to the commercial market in September 2020, that is not going to help, and it is a super expensive round to make. Current Lake City management's legal team says it is 'non-sporting' and I am sure there was governmental pressure as well as they own the factory
@@SGAmmo_LLC that’s why I got a bunch of different options you had when they were available but now they are sold out it. So What I have is what I have which makes shooting such a more difficult decision. Which is why I’m hoping for new options to become available for you be able to purchase and sell to us.
@@wowufailatlife racking my mind on what else there might be, the only other option that comes to mind is Prvi Partizan commercial ammo, and it costs me $4.00 per round so I never buy it. Maybe some surplus will come along but it is doubtful and would probably be very old like the WW2 M2AP I had a while back
Great that’s a ton of ammo now you get to stick to us Americans for 4 times what the Jordanians paid for It. This foreign made crap should cost 1/4 of what American made carp cost. I still can’t believe how expensive 5.56/223 still is, almost all militaries on planet earth primarily use 556 so don’t understand why still so pricey for us civi’s.
Jordanians bought it in 2015 in bulk. This is 2024 after mass inflation. These are some of the lowest prices on the market and free shipping. The owner said he makes between $10-30 per case, so he's not ripping anyone off
That is not correct, the cost of PPU ammo is going to be basically the same as PMC, IMI , CBC etc. The real net cost to the factories to to make 5.56 is about 30 cents per round at today's material and labor costs, maybe a little more in the USA, Australia, and EU countries where labor rates are very high and a little less in some countries. For the US commercial market there is 11% FET (excise tax)as well. For it to be profitable to the factory they need to sell for 40 cents per round in the commercial market due to FET. Plus on military ammo they have to performance test and certify to mil-spec, and if it fails the whole lot is condemned, which dives up cost. This is why government / military usually pay even more than we do in the civilian market, commonly paying 50 to 75 cents per round for 5.56 ball. The Jordanians probably paid 50 cents to 60 cents per round for this ammo, and in no way are you paying 4 times more. If you actually went to a major ammo factory and watched what went into extruding a shell case from start to finish you would walk out and wonder how they ever make money at all, it is an extremely slow process with 12+ steps on annealing and drawing,over and over about 4 times each, then headstamp, sizing trimming, cleaning, drying, priming and the machines work extremely slowly, that is just to make the case before it is loaded
@@SGAmmo_LLC You could be a real hero if this company brought in large rifle primers. Ginex - or RWS and surely other countries ammo makers could make and sell large rifle primers. Looks to be money is not a problem for this company to buy that much ammo. I did by a 1000 brick of Ginex primers for $150 and they are OK not spectacular they just work with a few hang fires used in cartridges with more powder than a 308.
@@Lure-Benson I do not sell primers, just way to hazardous to store in large quantities or handle for me. Components have never been my angle in the game. I know primer supply opened up a lot form where it was 2 years ago but still is not amazing, but better for sure than it was
This is great but I need it to be sold at $0.30 per round or less. Can’t stomach even $0.45 per round (current price on the site). For $0.45 per round it would have to be on clips, in bandoliers, 7 bandoliers in a new M2A2 ammo can, two can in a wood crate, sealed with chicken wire. Do that and I’ll pay 45 cpr. Side note: why hasn’t anyone ver sold ammo like this? Closest is on clips in bandoliers, but no wood crates.
30 cents for M193 is not a realistic price to expect at this point, could it ever be possible again...maybe. Is it likely...no, it is not. The ammo factory would be selling at a loss to even sell it to me at that price. They simply cannot make 5.56 ammo for that these days, and if they cannot make new ammo for that they are not going to sell recently made surplus for that price either. It costs the factory about 30 cents per round to make 5.56 m193, but they have to pay 11% of the first sale in Federal Excise Tax (FET), so to break even they have to sell for 34 cents or so, and to make a decent profit they have to sell for 40 cents or so, then guys like me have to mark it up a little bit to to turn a profit. Realistically newly made 5.56 should retail at about 50 cents a round or or less 3 cents
@@SGAmmo_LLC Yah but you're talking about overhead on USA made ammo in 2024, not for Serbian made ammo in 2015. I'm betting this stuff was bought in bulk by Jordan for far less than market value and is now being sold at 2024 market value...
highly unlikely, ammo does not really do that and the military would have been required to store it in explosive magazines anyway which are stable temp and fairly cool.
Chances are, this ammo was condemned for sitting in the heat for 10 years. The US will condemn ammo for sitting out in the heat, much sooner than that.
@@donwyoming1936 10 years is conspired the normal 'shelf life' for ammo for combat us, That is when the factory warranty expires and governments typically destroy, demiled or sell the ammo as surplus. This is normal. Sitting in cases on a pallet out in the 100 degree heat does not hurt ammo, that is not how that works in reality. That said, The Jordanians would have stored this in explosive magazines, which is like a bunker covered by earth to keep the temperature reduced and stable
There is still a small quantity of 762x51 left, and a decent amount of 5.56. Not a lot of scalpers in the that game these days, the market just does not support that behavior unless there is a panic or existing extreme shortage like we say in 2020 and 2021. They will come out of the woodwork when there is $100+ to make on every sale, they don't work cheap like full time ammo dealers do in the slow market part of the cycle
Yes, the video is coming soon, its around 3150 in our test, which is the middle to upper end of the expected range in out experience. A lot of people hope for 3240 because that is what is commonly stated as 'spec' but we hardly ever see that number achieved, and rarely anything over 3200
Im hoping one day 300 BO. Will go below 50cents/round again. 15-18$ mags were making me cry. lol. I had to buy 556 barrels just to keep shooting. I know. I know. But you can’t hunt with a 20 caliber in my state. Hence the 30 caliber. I’ve since added the 450 bushmaster. So I’m thinking of switching my 300 to home defense with a quiet down son at the end of it. 16” barrel tho. Think it’s too long for home defense????
I doubt we see that price point again at 50 cents, the factory really cannot make a profit making that ammo and selling it to me for a price where i could sell to you for 50 cents, its just so expensive to make the bottleneck cartridge casings
I get really excited when I see your products and prices, but I see that you do not ship to Maine. Can you please tell me why you do not ship to Maine? Mainers get ammo of all kinds shipped here all the time, no hoops to jump through, no problem. No other ammo seller that I have checked on and or bought from (dozens) has a Maine restriction. I have to wonder if you are incorrectly informed about Maine laws, because it is 100% legal to receive ammo here. Thank you.
In short, I had tax problems with the state where Maine Revenue Service abused their power and stole a lot of money from my company. Out of many, many audits I've been through it was by far the most unfair, and as a result I no longer do business there
@@SGAmmo_LLC I can't blame you for that. Thank you very much for the explanation. It's lousy what a governmental agency can put someone through. Hopefully it was not during the 8 years when Paul LePage (R) was governor here. If he ever knew about this, he would have been all over it to fix it for the "regular guy," whether you were selling ammo or reams of paper. He even had a concealed carry permit, about which he was happy to tell folks. He was a very 2A positive governor and prevented countless ridiculous antigun laws, and signed legislation to protect our 2A rights. Thanks for taking the time to listen and to explain the situation from your viewpoint.
The factory may have got it for pennies on the dollar, but it cost me $390/1000 for the M193. Once you back out the shipping cost I pay to get our customers 'free shipping' at $23-ish per case, a 3% fee to the credit card, the $4-$5 for box/tape/labels and labor to pick and pack the order, I make practically nothing on it, $18 a case on the average single case sale, maybe slightly more shipping to very close stands and considerable less shipping to the coastal states, on 2+ cases I give a $10 per case discount to offset all of the savings and then some that I get from shipping in 2 cases 1 package, and on a 10 case price I pass on another $10 per case discount to pass on the savings from the hundred-weight discount. As far as Winchester LC vs PPU, this is sort of apples and oranges. The Winchester is great ammo, but it does not have sealed cartridges, it does not get performance tested to full mil-spec, and it does not have air tight packaging
@@SGAmmo_LLC Thanks for sharing your costs. It's very interesting to learn about. Are you arguing that the PPU is better ammo? What is the significance of the sealed cartridges? Does that mean they'll survive getting wet?
If they even use that caliber in their military or any military then it would be news to me. 6.8 SPC was one of those calibers that military talked about going to, but from what I can see it never really happened, maybe on extremely limited examples / small quantities for special units. The fact is that it just costs to much to change calibers in a big scale and this has always got in the way of replacing the iconic military calibers that were adopted in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s
Once 5.56 gets down to $399 I'l start buying again....the past few deal price in the email ended up being the new regular price after the sale end, so that's what is giving me hope!
@@woodsghost9088 no burned through about half of it since 2019, but not worried I've been through this before. My 'world' is looking up and that usually means the opposite for companies that I spend money on. Plus 5.56 is just one of many calibers i play around with.
Not to cone across as snarky or anything, but do you genuinely think that prices will be going down anytime soon? Between it being an election year, the cost of materials and labor only getting more expensive, the current state of the US economy, and some ammunition plants being busy fulfilling various govt. contracts around the world, I just don't see the prices going down right now or anytime soon. I hope I am wrong because I could definitely stand to save more many on ammo, but I feel like things tomorrow will never be cheaper than that of yesterday.
@@taylorratliff405 on prices, I think I'm seeing training classes thinner than in the past and I bet ammo sales are down. Certainly lower than expected in January 2024. I think the economy is crashing and people can't afford stuff. Same with what I was seeing for guns going on sale. I think the total situation is people don't have money or are already stocked up. With the Trump shot, people found room in the budget, but I think that soaked up the last of the free room in most people's budgets. I could be wrong. It's what I think I'm seeing. And I don't really expect prices to go a lot lower. As said, raw materials prices have gone up. I don't think anyone will sell at a loss. So I think the best deal in town is buying surplus made pre-2020.
@@Mn_Prepper53 Crazy talk^^, this stuff was 67 to 70 cents per round, well below market for new ammo and for fine-quality recently made surplus from a reputable factory. I made a net profit of about 1 to 4 cents per round on it depending on what it cost to ship and the quantity the customer bought, and yet e-haters like this guy call that 'greed'
I pick up some 556 from turkey and that stuff was blowing some of the primers out maby 5 or 6 out of 30 not good I like my weapons of mass Destruction don't like to abuse them.
Yea, for the most part I will not sell the Turkish made ammo, their 5.56 and 762 NATO has a history of doing what you are talking about, we had some once where the primers would move around or fall out when you shake the cartridge, its just not worth saving 3 cents a round if you cannot count on the quality. The Turkish 9mm had been questionable at times as well. I wish it was not so, but we had enough problems to stop buying it. The 12 gauge they make has been okay
Let the price gouging begin 😂. These ammo and firearms companies are not your friends and the prices are high because of them and their backroom deals with each other to jack the prices up and keep inventory down.
SG ammo routinely has some of the best prices. Even during covid, their prices were a lot better than everyone else. Hell, there's a big online distributor in my city I can pick up from locally and avoid shipping fees, and I still ordered from sg because it was cheaper. Even with shipping.
I make between $30 to $10 a case on either of these items depending on the quantity discount after I pay the shipping, credit card fees, box/tape/labor to pack the order. How is that gouging. There is no way to gouge people in today's market cycle, the prices are cut to the bone and net profit margins are typically 5% on a daily report of all sales. Really no way to sell this stuff it for less. Its funny how guys like me can devote their life to this industry and supplying the American people with the ammo they need, make huge investments and risks in facilities, inventory, employing workmen, yet get treated like the enemy by some of these so called 2nd amendment supports for making a profit. There are no backroom deals in this business, every ammo manufacturer hates each other, as do the retailers hate each other, the competition is truly fierce
@@sweetmeatnc1504 I have enough ammo to last me for years. I refuse to pay these prices regardless of how "reasonable" you think they are. I'll wager that if everyone stopped buying ammo at the current prices that somehow the prices would drop down to what they were. But just like with housing prices and car prices there are idiots that will not only pay list prices but offer more just so they can get theirs. I don't make excuses for any company or human but hey that's just me.
If get your state to permanently change its laws to allow direct shipments to the consumer with no dealer transfer I will gladly do it. CA was a good place to do business before they made it a unbearably difficult process to do business there back in 2017 or 2018 (I don't remember exactly when it changed), but its just not practical to deal there with a 3rd party dealer in the middle, we tried it, its 50% more admin work in a day for 2% more sales
@@SGAmmo_LLCYou are aware that FFL03/COE holders have zero restrictions to having ammo shipped into CA correct? What all the other online stores are doing is requiring proof of COE/FFL03 and that's sufficient for them, I would strongly recommend examining this option.
unfortunately the Maine Revenue Service chose to rob my company in the most unfair audit I have had out of many, many audits, and as a result of that I no longer do business there
8mm Kurz is a caliber where supply is very very limited. Get it when you see it, the new guns coming are going to make that situation worse, not better
Due to the coming of the replica STG 44 I have started building AR 15 upper for sale in 7.92x33 Kurz. Reloading supplies in bras and bullets + reloading dies for 7.92x33 Kurz now is not any problem to get from sites like Graf & Sons or MidwayUSA Hornaday and RCBS make 7.92x33 reloading dies now. I bought from Graf & Sons 1000 PPU 7.92x33 Kurz brass and 500 PPU 8mm 125 grain bullets. Hornaday was making ammo in 7.92x33 Kurz
@@Lure-Benson hand loading that caliber would be wise if you are into it, because only PPU makes the case and loaded ammo and they do it once a year in a very small run, the loaded ammo always runs out for 6 months, and that is just from the guys with MP44 machine guns buying it, you go and add thousands of new semi's to the market and it will get so much worse on ammo supply. IMO its a little foolish to chamber new guns in this round for mass manufacturing, they should have just retrofit to 300 blackout chambered barrels
@@Enjoyer.762 I call Pac Nor then tell owner Joy this is what I want in barrel length and barrel contour the number of groves for rifling and rate of twist for the AR 15 barrels. Jay normally ask me to do a barrel drawing to start with for basic idea then Jay works out the detail barrel and send the drawing for me to approve or change in some way I do the same when building AR 10 uppers for sale. These are prebuilt barrels they are done on my specification for what I want of a client has asked for. I also tell Jay which length of gas tubes I am using such as I found the longer 17 inch gas tubes for not over 24 inch barrels are better and barrels over 24 inches I use the White Oak 18.5 inch gas tubes which are a must have doing the AR 10 upper in any of the WSM magnum chambers. Going with the 17 inch gas tube works on uppers such as 6mm-284 - 250 Savage and 6.5-284 Norma or all cartridge of this powder charges. If you would like to view AR 10s with Pac Nor barrels in 375 WSM - 6mm - 284 win and last is an upper on an AR 10 lower in 6.5-284 Norma go to Instagram and use my ID @ dwayneb1959 to find the photos on my account. If you wish to chat about buying a custom AR upper use the Instagram account mailbox because TH-cam has turned commie dick head on so much about guns
the video is a month old, and the 762x51 sold out in 4.5 days, the 5.56 took longer but ran out recently as well. I know this looks like ' a lot of ammo' but it really is not that much, just 2 semi truck loads. That kind of quantity does not last long when its something people really want
I hope they changed their primers ,I bought some 30 carbine that I would take two strikes to set off . It wasn’t just one firearm it was three ! Hard primers beware !
We made it, but between when it was made and when it woudl have been uploaded, TH-cam suspended our account temporarily with a strike, blocking any new video uploads, and delaying uploading. We will probably get kicked off here soon and have top post test videos to Twitter only after that where there are no rules about how we word what we say. And my son who makes the videos for me went back to college, slowing things down in another way
the 762x51 was more like 700,000 rounds, in 4.5 days, but basically the same idea. There have not been a lot of deals on 762x51 like that one in recent years
@johnadams673 LOL, maybe math is not your strong suit or you have a different understanding of what gouging means or are just leaping to assumptions, but it cost me 59.5 cents per round, I sold it for 67 to 70 cents per round, and I paid the shipping at about $23 per case, and a 3% merchant fee, and box/tape/labor to pack it the right way. I also absorbed the loss on about 70 cases that were loose and unmarketable, although we will link those and eventually recoup that initial loss. If you crunch the numbers I made about $18 a case on the average single case order (5%), or less on the 2+ and 10+ case discounts. If this is gouging then what isn't? Maybe your dreams will come true and socialists will take over the ammo business and do it for free, but I doubt it, and if making 5% is a crime then lock me up.
@@SGAmmo_LLC you made at the most $.20 cents a round ,……. That’s not gouging ….with all the things the democrats have done to the firearms industry since Clinton and the ATF acting like they can just change how to enforce the laws on the books ….you put up with a lot of bullshit making $.20 cents a round seems fare….to the customers , but is it fare to the business ?
Referring to the 5.56 as a comparison (7.62x51 Lake City M80 is much more expensive), this is full mil-spec ammo, sealed primers, case mouth, fully performance tested and certified by the factory to be of combat grade before it was shipped to Jordan. You don't get that with new commercial sales material Lake City M193, that ammo is unsealed and only certified to be SAAMI spec (commercial spec)
@@craesh1001 New Lake City M193 ammo that you get in the commercial market is going to have unsealed cartridges with no case mouth or primer pocket sealant, and will have been manufactured and tested to meet SAAMI spec, which is less strict with more allowed deviation than performance testing a lot to meet to full mil-spec. The M855 they make at Lake City for the commercial market may be the same story if they just want to run the line to make ammo for the commercial market, or it may be diverted military contract ammo that failed some attribute of full mil-spec, which is usually diverted for something super trivial, but still it is what it is, the diverted ammo is usually sealed case mouth and primer pocket and is actually better ammo than what is made for regular commercial sales material, it just might look ugly, or have sloppy sealant applied or some green paint splattered on it, velocity a hair below than the acceptable range, etc etc, this ammo meets or exceeds SAAMI spec, but did not meet full mil-spec. Don't get me wrong, Lake City makes a great product, but there are some cost saving shortcuts often used to make the stuff made for the US commercial market that would not be acceptable to military end-users
Rims being torn off tells me you need to turn down the gas adjustment to off then make a half turn for each shot until you get the direction of extraction you need on firing. Wrong regulated pressure is also a cause for non-extraction. Also regularly replace the firing pin springs in AR rifles and go to the Wolf X power spring
Gunshows are like 3 days work for 2 hours pay vs doing business online, I just cannot justify it, and my kids need a dad in their life, not out on the road
Its really not realistic to expect those sort of prices today, and in 2015 brass case 223/5.56 was closer to 40 to 45 cents per round at the end of the Obama-era where politics drove sales and the ammo market was fairly strong and where 5.56 was priced for the most part from 2008 to 2016, the dip in prices happened in the bust from 2017 to 2019, bottoming out in 2018 and 2019 on around 28 to 30 cents per round on 5.56 on average, with some deals at 26 cents and ranging up to 33 cents per round. That said, the factories operated at a loss at those prices, depressed pricing like we saw in 2017-2019 is why Remington went bankrupt and so many other factories came close. That was the 'bottom' of the market, not 'normal' pricing like we see these days, and it is important to know the difference when you set expectations for pricing
@SGAmmo_LLC maybe that's what some stores sold it at but online, bulk brass cased 5.56 ammo that most gun owners bought were as low as 29-30cpr. I know because I and plenty of other people were buying for that price. It's true that the 26-28cpr range didn't come around until 2017, and shipped prices went up after the wayfair decision, but smart shoppers weren't paying 40-45cpr unless they were buying small quantities from gun shops. Not bulk online like what you're selling. Remington went bankrupt because of gross mismanagement not because of selling ammo at a loss. I'd need to see some proof on that one because this is the first I've heard anyone make that claim. Fact is no one was buying their guns except for maybe some, 870s (which had rust issues), r700 (trigger debacle and expired patent didn't help) and the tac13/14 (but the Mossberg Shockwave was better). Their 1911 was a disaster and they didn't come out with anything new. What they did release were "me too" products usually late or lower quality licensed copies. They didn't keep up with the times. Recalls and lawsuits didn't help. Ammo was probably the big thing getting AND staying in peoples hands.
@Yettiattack That number sounds big bill to pay, but would have been absorbable if it were profitable to make ammo and guns for Remington. The facts are the ammo and gun markets were crushed in 2017 to 2019, driving prices down to ridiculous lows on ammo, maybe guns too, but I did not follow that closely. Because it was not profitable to sell their product for so long, the impact of the law suit was one of the things that drove them out, but the big picture view is of a marketplace that was not profitable, coupled with running into some of the pitfalls of business, and the company cannot absorb the loss of an unexpected setback. If you can't make money doing something, and you do not have cash reserves, and you get hit hard with an unexpected expense, then you go bankrupt, and that is what happened in the bigger picture, but certainly lots of other details in the mix as as to 'why' well.
I make between $30 to $10 a case on either of these items depending on the quantity discount after I pay the shipping, credit card fees, box/tape/labor to pack the order. Really no way to do it for less. Its funny how people assume there is some sort of huge mark up on bulk ammo, but unless the market demand is crazy and everything is sold out, its normally a business of making 3% to 8% on full cases, some times 10% to 15% if I get real lucky. The greed kicks in when the demand is off the charts, and it has to to some degree to balance out profitability in the long term
Its mostly from governmental policy written by people that don't actually know 'how it works' and write regulations based on assumptions and uneducated opinions. As you probably know we have that problem in our country as well in major way
I have enough ammo from the Trump years to last the rest of my life. It's funny watching the new generation and If Trump gets back in I'm curious to see what happens.
As a generally conservation person I hope he wins for the good of the world and our country, that said, it may not go down the same way if he wins this time, things have changed and the rioters got away with a lot in 2020. To assume the same crashing result to the ammo market if Trump wins is a big assumption, there are no guarantees that history repeats itself the same way, and the positioning of the market cycle is different now (lower) than it was in 2016
Hilarious. Trump banned bump stocks with an executive order which was recently deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court. You're adorable to think he's any different than the other politicians although it's your right. I'll save my worship for Jesus Christ my Lord and keep a watchful eye on trashy humans like trump, harris, vance, biden and the other scumbag politicians.
That is a theory, but far from a guaranteed thing, and if the lunatics all riot if Trump wins, that might drive demand off the charts like it did in 2020 when Trump was president. Lots of things 'could happen', and if you can see the future tell me the next drawings for the megamillions jackpot numbers please
Inflation is now the lowest it’s been since 2021…..and Shitler isn’t getting back in anyway my friend. He’s lost his mind. Have you actually seen any of his “rallies” lately? Jesus his brain is mush.
LOL The Jordanian military doesn't want it anymore after it sat in 100+ degree desert heat for 10 years, that should tell you something. Also nothing says professional like a tee shirt and shorts. LOL
@@cowmaneater1243 Primer reliability is the first to go not velocity. Again, I am sure the Jordanians had a reason to ditch this stuff. Every ammo expert on the planet recommends keeping ammo in a cool dry area, not a hot dry desert.
Sam will always be the ONLY guy in the AMMO biz who sent out repeat warnings to all his customers in 2019 that said......"ammo is at 12 year lows guys, if you need anything, now is the time" I look back on that space in time and say, just like EF Hutton, when Sam talks, I listen. I only ended up buying what I was low on for my range use, but I'm glad I did. It kept us shooting at the range when others had to give it up due to the shortages and pricing during the pandemic. Thank you Sam, you're the best.
thank you!! You know its funny you mention that because of all the people that attacked me for saying it, hundreds or maybe thousands of people on forums, social media or in reply to those emails, calling it fear mongering, scare tactics, etc etc, acting like prices at that time were 'normal' and where they would stay, but history does show the facts in hindsight, the market bust of 2017 to 2019 was one of the greatest periods of time for the consumer to take advantage of the market cycle and the industry. It drove Remington into bankruptcy, almost killed Federal, CCI, Speer, Winchester could have gone after that if the market stayed like that for 1 more year. Just look at their stock prices in 2019, those companies could have been bought up for almost nothing in a hostile takeover. I operated SGAmmo at a $2 million loss for that 3 year periods. At least I got to make up for it in 2020 and 2021 with some good profits those years and average things out to something that did not seem so bad. All that said, I feel like we are again in a position of the market cycle where the consumer is able to by many ammo options at 4 year lows and its a great time to buy, I'm not loosing money doing it now but the margins are razor thin.
@@SGAmmo_LLC Sam, your honesty and integrity has been unquestionable since I became a customer years ago. I'm glad I paid attention to those emails as well. Cheers
I just scored a 500 count of tula 7.62 got here to Pittsburgh in 2 days flat. Good job SG AMMO and thanks for the can 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
@@tarrelljones7259 Ahhh man, the days of Tul et all were great. Nice pickup
I’ve been a customer for over a decade. You are my go to supplier. I know that you are as fair as you can be, while remaining afloat, so I will continue buying from you. Thanks Sam.
thank you!!
SGAmmo has never let me down and delivery has always been on time!
Thank you, we put a lot of energy into making sure the job is done right every time, thanks again for your business
No kidding. SG is basically the only place I order ammo from anymore.
I really like the lack of “hidden fees” really makes me mad when the checkout price starts climbing
Nothing wrong with PPU, and Sam is as honest as they get. Been buying BAR ammo from him for 8 years.
I remember surplus at .15 cents a round for 308 and 10 cents for 556 and then Bill Clinton passed an EO banning importation of military ammo and prices started climbing
Hello Sg ammo, we all wish the price was a tad lower but we really appreciate SG ammo for bringing the ammo in and hopefully you guys continue to bring in different options and surplus in. I can’t even imagine how hard is to bring that stuff in the country
I did not actually do the import, a friend of mine did, but we work together a lot to make neat stuff happen
Long time customer. Decent pricing/good packaging/lightning shipping. Thanks Sam and Lala!
thank you !!!
My #1 goto guys for ammo. Keep up the good work y'all!
Tyrants would rather be disgustingly wasteful than arm civilians
I had belted 7.62 NATO from 1973 in Iraq in 2007.
5.56 ammo is still too damn expensive.
Agreed
Our dollar isn’t worth what it used to be. You’ll wait a long time for pre-Covid prices.
If you voted for Biden / Harris, this is partially your fault
realistically for the factory to make money and retail to make money, it should cost me 40 to 43 cents depending on M193 or M855, and I should sell it for 46 to 50 cents, when it goes below that someone is starting to make nothing or lose money, if it goes above that then either the factory or the retailer is starting to make extra money
@@Enjoyer.762I recall when trump banned bump stocks with an executive order (recently deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court) so what makes him any different? I don't worship or trust any of these politicians. I would bet neither trump nor harris own any firearms and never have.
I have fired 70 year old ammo without a problem. As long as it's stored correctly it'll last indefinitely.
We had 8mm from the 1930s that worked great many times, and I can only imagine the quality of gunpowder has greatly improved since then
@@SGAmmo_LLC the gunpowder I'm sure helps but it's the way in which the casing and the primer is sealed in what kind of a humidity situation the ammo was stored in.
since the price is the same, I would buy brand new LC instead
but at today's prices I'll keep reloading
I just ordered a couple hundred rounds of 12 gauge today, thank you!
thank you !!!
Glad you guys are offering this for sale, .45c is a bit much for me now, it may be a good price I don't know? I have bought cases of golden tiger 7.62 by 39 in the past for about 24c ea., hopefully you can get a ton of surplus from them again but not holding my breath. Keep up the good work, great company.
Yeah remember buying cases of GT x39 for $ 189.00 . SG ammo was my go to place :(
Long time customer, never disappointed. Thanks Sam.
(ps. - you need a remote microphone, or a better one)
yes I left the mic sitting on the 1st pallet I was standing by, this is a running problem
Interesting stuff. Thanks! SGAmmo is my go-to source for 6.5 Grendel - which Prvi Partizan also makes.
Been buying from your company for the last 8+ years keep up the good work! Would like to see more stuff in battlepacks already canned something like lake city m193 420 rounds in a 30 cal can would be great!
Thank you!! We do a lot of ammo in cans, but not battle packs. I could look into doing battle packs, but these sort of jobs are labor intensive and do add a lot of cost
MUST HAVE SGAmmo STICKERS!!!
keep kickin ass guys. i tell everyone of my customers about you guys. im all for supporting fellow okies
I had two cases ordered as soon as I saw the email yesterday. PPU has been my main go-to for M193 for years and if I can get the same ammo that usually goes for 520 per case for a discount because it is "surplus", then I'm all for it. I wish I wasn't completely broke or I'd love to get more as well as some more SB9B 9mm ammunition as soon as more comes in.
thank you !!! SG
My favorite ammo source. 👍🏽🍻👍🏽
thank you!!! SG
@@SGAmmo_LLC Marble City OK 👍🏽 Been a customer for 5 years, 21 weeks as per the site.
Battlehawk is way better
In the early 70s we had Korean War C-rations. Time made no difference, it was still horrible. 😄
I made my first purchase from you guys a month ago, great deal on 6.5 Creedmoor, best price i could find. Your site is now on my Ipad desktop.
Thank you !!!! SG
Us Mainers NEED AMMO!
The 10-year nonsense is just that. In 2019 I used ammo that was manufactured in 1927.... It works just fine
.... ive still got some 8mm made in 1938 and it fires like new ...
If it is corrosive it seems to last. Clean the gun appropriately.
and you can only guess about how much gun powders and primers have been improved since then, I'd wager that ammo made today with modern powders and technology, and if packed in sealed packaging, will still be good in 200+ years, but we will not be around to see if it is so
Nice prices and free shipping..😊
thank you!!!
So your 7.62 is now .50 per round now, because you have the volume right.... right??
LOL, the 762 nato cost me 59.5 cents, and I pay the shipping cost on cases (about $23 a case on average until I get to 200+ pounds in a single shipment where it drops a bit), credit card fee (about 3% of the total so $11-$12), box, tape labor to overpack securely (about $5), etc built into my markup. I'm really not in the business to lose 20-somthing percent. Guys... the markup on ammo by the case these days is almost nothing, its a game where we try to sell thousands of cases a day and making $10 to $30 a case on them, not selling a hundred cases and making $100+ each, it just does not work that way
Great Company. Order from them often.
thank you !!!
I have used that brand of ammo before, Ran great.
I'll give you 280$ for a 1000rds. Let's pretend it's still 2019. Until then, I will not be buying anymore 556 and will continue to train with my tippman m4-22lr. I can buy 5000rds of 22lr for 270 dollars and that is a much better deal and you can train alot more.
Its not realistic to expect that, but glad to hear you are still plinking away with your 22. IMO that is almost as fun, and like you say it costs way less
@@SGAmmo_LLC5cents a round is where it’s at
😅 That was good ammo when I shot it between 2005 and 2015... Plus that brand had the heavier bullet weights that were hard to obtain, and expensive from 'Black hills' It's good for us that Jordan has high standards to help the militia market😅
That is the most wasteful thing I've heard in a long time. My soul felt that waste.
Another reason to not like u.n. / eu members maybe some one should bring that up at the next g7 meeting
Hoping for new 50 bmg option soon
nothing coming that I know of, the supply side really crimped down there. That said I have a lot of good options now
Fingers crossed 🤞 things change For the better for 50 bmg
@@wowufailatlife Lake City cut off supply of 50 BMG to the commercial market in September 2020, that is not going to help, and it is a super expensive round to make. Current Lake City management's legal team says it is 'non-sporting' and I am sure there was governmental pressure as well as they own the factory
@@SGAmmo_LLC that’s why I got a bunch of different options you had when they were available but now they are sold out it. So What I have is what I have which makes shooting such a more difficult decision. Which is why I’m hoping for new options to become available for you be able to purchase and sell to us.
@@wowufailatlife racking my mind on what else there might be, the only other option that comes to mind is Prvi Partizan commercial ammo, and it costs me $4.00 per round so I never buy it. Maybe some surplus will come along but it is doubtful and would probably be very old like the WW2 M2AP I had a while back
Sam, thank you.
my pleasure! SG
Great that’s a ton of ammo now you get to stick to us Americans for 4 times what the Jordanians paid for
It. This foreign made crap should cost 1/4 of what American made carp cost. I still can’t believe how expensive 5.56/223 still is, almost all militaries on planet earth primarily use 556 so don’t understand why still so pricey for us civi’s.
Jordanians bought it in 2015 in bulk. This is 2024 after mass inflation. These are some of the lowest prices on the market and free shipping. The owner said he makes between $10-30 per case, so he's not ripping anyone off
That is not correct, the cost of PPU ammo is going to be basically the same as PMC, IMI , CBC etc. The real net cost to the factories to to make 5.56 is about 30 cents per round at today's material and labor costs, maybe a little more in the USA, Australia, and EU countries where labor rates are very high and a little less in some countries. For the US commercial market there is 11% FET (excise tax)as well. For it to be profitable to the factory they need to sell for 40 cents per round in the commercial market due to FET. Plus on military ammo they have to performance test and certify to mil-spec, and if it fails the whole lot is condemned, which dives up cost. This is why government / military usually pay even more than we do in the civilian market, commonly paying 50 to 75 cents per round for 5.56 ball. The Jordanians probably paid 50 cents to 60 cents per round for this ammo, and in no way are you paying 4 times more. If you actually went to a major ammo factory and watched what went into extruding a shell case from start to finish you would walk out and wonder how they ever make money at all, it is an extremely slow process with 12+ steps on annealing and drawing,over and over about 4 times each, then headstamp, sizing trimming, cleaning, drying, priming and the machines work extremely slowly, that is just to make the case before it is loaded
@@SGAmmo_LLC You could be a real hero if this company brought in large rifle primers.
Ginex - or RWS and surely other countries ammo makers could make and sell large rifle primers.
Looks to be money is not a problem for this company to buy that much ammo.
I did by a 1000 brick of Ginex primers for $150 and they are OK not spectacular they just work with a few hang fires used in cartridges with more powder than a 308.
@@Lure-Benson I do not sell primers, just way to hazardous to store in large quantities or handle for me. Components have never been my angle in the game. I know primer supply opened up a lot form where it was 2 years ago but still is not amazing, but better for sure than it was
You are absolutely lieing about 1/4 prices
MAN,YOU REALLY KNOW HOW TO MAKE A MAN LUST AFTER AMMO,
I have that same problem !!!
This is great but I need it to be sold at $0.30 per round or less. Can’t stomach even $0.45 per round (current price on the site). For $0.45 per round it would have to be on clips, in bandoliers, 7 bandoliers in a new M2A2 ammo can, two can in a wood crate, sealed with chicken wire. Do that and I’ll pay 45 cpr.
Side note: why hasn’t anyone ver sold ammo like this? Closest is on clips in bandoliers, but no wood crates.
30 cents for M193 is not a realistic price to expect at this point, could it ever be possible again...maybe. Is it likely...no, it is not. The ammo factory would be selling at a loss to even sell it to me at that price. They simply cannot make 5.56 ammo for that these days, and if they cannot make new ammo for that they are not going to sell recently made surplus for that price either. It costs the factory about 30 cents per round to make 5.56 m193, but they have to pay 11% of the first sale in Federal Excise Tax (FET), so to break even they have to sell for 34 cents or so, and to make a decent profit they have to sell for 40 cents or so, then guys like me have to mark it up a little bit to to turn a profit. Realistically newly made 5.56 should retail at about 50 cents a round or or less 3 cents
@@SGAmmo_LLC Yah but you're talking about overhead on USA made ammo in 2024, not for Serbian made ammo in 2015. I'm betting this stuff was bought in bulk by Jordan for far less than market value and is now being sold at 2024 market value...
@@MassholeMachinist YES!!!!!!! GOOD POINT, EXACTLY!!!
Love the video Sam.
thank you!!!
Always Oder my bulk ammo from sg
Thank you !! SG
I have a bunch of that in 556, good stuff!
Good stuff right there.
thank you!!! SG
I wonder if sitting in the very high Jordanian heat for 9 years would affect the velocity?
highly unlikely, ammo does not really do that and the military would have been required to store it in explosive magazines anyway which are stable temp and fairly cool.
If anything I would consider this a plus, chances of humidity damage are slim to none
Chances are, this ammo was condemned for sitting in the heat for 10 years. The US will condemn ammo for sitting out in the heat, much sooner than that.
This ammo is packed in heavy airtight plastic. Should be fine after 10 years. I been getting the reloadable 7.62x39 from PPU and it is choice.
@@donwyoming1936 10 years is conspired the normal 'shelf life' for ammo for combat us, That is when the factory warranty expires and governments typically destroy, demiled or sell the ammo as surplus. This is normal. Sitting in cases on a pallet out in the 100 degree heat does not hurt ammo, that is not how that works in reality. That said, The Jordanians would have stored this in explosive magazines, which is like a bunker covered by earth to keep the temperature reduced and stable
THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is 2 days old all of the greedy bastards must have bought it up by now to resell it on the market at 100% markup.
There is still a small quantity of 762x51 left, and a decent amount of 5.56. Not a lot of scalpers in the that game these days, the market just does not support that behavior unless there is a panic or existing extreme shortage like we say in 2020 and 2021. They will come out of the woodwork when there is $100+ to make on every sale, they don't work cheap like full time ammo dealers do in the slow market part of the cycle
That introductory image blew my tiny brain.
Do you still plan on velocity testing these? I'm fairly curious if they will be comparable to the consumer PPU M193 ammo.
Yes, the video is coming soon, its around 3150 in our test, which is the middle to upper end of the expected range in out experience. A lot of people hope for 3240 because that is what is commonly stated as 'spec' but we hardly ever see that number achieved, and rarely anything over 3200
How many grains with the 7.62x51?
145 grain
Haven't you heard? Never let your enemy supply your ammo!
Im hoping one day 300 BO. Will go below 50cents/round again. 15-18$ mags were making me cry. lol. I had to buy 556 barrels just to keep shooting. I know. I know. But you can’t hunt with a 20 caliber in my state. Hence the 30 caliber. I’ve since added the 450 bushmaster. So I’m thinking of switching my 300 to home defense with a quiet down son at the end of it. 16” barrel tho. Think it’s too long for home defense????
I doubt we see that price point again at 50 cents, the factory really cannot make a profit making that ammo and selling it to me for a price where i could sell to you for 50 cents, its just so expensive to make the bottleneck cartridge casings
bad ass I gotta get me some 556.
It is cool stuff, thanks !
I get really excited when I see your products and prices, but I see that you do not ship to Maine. Can you please tell me why you do not ship to Maine? Mainers get ammo of all kinds shipped here all the time, no hoops to jump through, no problem. No other ammo seller that I have checked on and or bought from (dozens) has a Maine restriction. I have to wonder if you are incorrectly informed about Maine laws, because it is 100% legal to receive ammo here. Thank you.
In short, I had tax problems with the state where Maine Revenue Service abused their power and stole a lot of money from my company. Out of many, many audits I've been through it was by far the most unfair, and as a result I no longer do business there
@@SGAmmo_LLC I can't blame you for that. Thank you very much for the explanation. It's lousy what a governmental agency can put someone through. Hopefully it was not during the 8 years when Paul LePage (R) was governor here. If he ever knew about this, he would have been all over it to fix it for the "regular guy," whether you were selling ammo or reams of paper. He even had a concealed carry permit, about which he was happy to tell folks. He was a very 2A positive governor and prevented countless ridiculous antigun laws, and signed legislation to protect our 2A rights.
Thanks for taking the time to listen and to explain the situation from your viewpoint.
...as long as the ammo is stored in a dry environment, it'll never 'expire' - or 'go bad'...
Beautiful!!
thank you !! SG
just ordered some, thanks .
thank you!! SG
Remember import tariffs, they are still in play, and payed by the US Customer buying the products, it is not a tax on the country exporting it.
So you got this old M193 for pennies on the dollar, and selling it for 20 less per thousand, than Winchester....Hard Pass.
By my math he’s charging $100 less per thousand than retail.
The factory may have got it for pennies on the dollar, but it cost me $390/1000 for the M193. Once you back out the shipping cost I pay to get our customers 'free shipping' at $23-ish per case, a 3% fee to the credit card, the $4-$5 for box/tape/labels and labor to pick and pack the order, I make practically nothing on it, $18 a case on the average single case sale, maybe slightly more shipping to very close stands and considerable less shipping to the coastal states, on 2+ cases I give a $10 per case discount to offset all of the savings and then some that I get from shipping in 2 cases 1 package, and on a 10 case price I pass on another $10 per case discount to pass on the savings from the hundred-weight discount. As far as Winchester LC vs PPU, this is sort of apples and oranges. The Winchester is great ammo, but it does not have sealed cartridges, it does not get performance tested to full mil-spec, and it does not have air tight packaging
@@SGAmmo_LLC Thanks for sharing your costs. It's very interesting to learn about. Are you arguing that the PPU is better ammo? What is the significance of the sealed cartridges? Does that mean they'll survive getting wet?
@@SGAmmo_LLC Sam, does not BS he tells it like it is, if you don't want the truth don't ask!
Let me know when you have mil spec surplus 6.8 SPC from Jordan and Saudi
If they even use that caliber in their military or any military then it would be news to me. 6.8 SPC was one of those calibers that military talked about going to, but from what I can see it never really happened, maybe on extremely limited examples / small quantities for special units. The fact is that it just costs to much to change calibers in a big scale and this has always got in the way of replacing the iconic military calibers that were adopted in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s
Once 5.56 gets down to $399 I'l start buying again....the past few deal price in the email ended up being the new regular price after the sale end, so that's what is giving me hope!
Are you sitting on 10k rounds? If not, I'd think about buying.
@@woodsghost9088 no burned through about half of it since 2019, but not worried I've been through this before. My 'world' is looking up and that usually means the opposite for companies that I spend money on.
Plus 5.56 is just one of many calibers i play around with.
Not to cone across as snarky or anything, but do you genuinely think that prices will be going down anytime soon? Between it being an election year, the cost of materials and labor only getting more expensive, the current state of the US economy, and some ammunition plants being busy fulfilling various govt. contracts around the world, I just don't see the prices going down right now or anytime soon. I hope I am wrong because I could definitely stand to save more many on ammo, but I feel like things tomorrow will never be cheaper than that of yesterday.
@@taylorratliff405 on prices, I think I'm seeing training classes thinner than in the past and I bet ammo sales are down. Certainly lower than expected in January 2024. I think the economy is crashing and people can't afford stuff.
Same with what I was seeing for guns going on sale. I think the total situation is people don't have money or are already stocked up.
With the Trump shot, people found room in the budget, but I think that soaked up the last of the free room in most people's budgets.
I could be wrong. It's what I think I'm seeing. And I don't really expect prices to go a lot lower. As said, raw materials prices have gone up. I don't think anyone will sell at a loss. So I think the best deal in town is buying surplus made pre-2020.
@@cellapoptosis680 thats cool man. Good luck!
Great vid
Thank you !!
how much for a case of 7.62
@@Mn_Prepper53 Crazy talk^^, this stuff was 67 to 70 cents per round, well below market for new ammo and for fine-quality recently made surplus from a reputable factory. I made a net profit of about 1 to 4 cents per round on it depending on what it cost to ship and the quantity the customer bought, and yet e-haters like this guy call that 'greed'
I pick up some 556 from turkey and that stuff was blowing some of the primers out maby 5 or 6 out of 30 not good I like my weapons of mass Destruction don't like to abuse them.
Yea, for the most part I will not sell the Turkish made ammo, their 5.56 and 762 NATO has a history of doing what you are talking about, we had some once where the primers would move around or fall out when you shake the cartridge, its just not worth saving 3 cents a round if you cannot count on the quality. The Turkish 9mm had been questionable at times as well. I wish it was not so, but we had enough problems to stop buying it. The 12 gauge they make has been okay
Let the price gouging begin 😂. These ammo and firearms companies are not your friends and the prices are high because of them and their backroom deals with each other to jack the prices up and keep inventory down.
SG ammo routinely has some of the best prices. Even during covid, their prices were a lot better than everyone else. Hell, there's a big online distributor in my city I can pick up from locally and avoid shipping fees, and I still ordered from sg because it was cheaper. Even with shipping.
I make between $30 to $10 a case on either of these items depending on the quantity discount after I pay the shipping, credit card fees, box/tape/labor to pack the order. How is that gouging. There is no way to gouge people in today's market cycle, the prices are cut to the bone and net profit margins are typically 5% on a daily report of all sales. Really no way to sell this stuff it for less. Its funny how guys like me can devote their life to this industry and supplying the American people with the ammo they need, make huge investments and risks in facilities, inventory, employing workmen, yet get treated like the enemy by some of these so called 2nd amendment supports for making a profit. There are no backroom deals in this business, every ammo manufacturer hates each other, as do the retailers hate each other, the competition is truly fierce
@@sweetmeatnc1504 I have enough ammo to last me for years. I refuse to pay these prices regardless of how "reasonable" you think they are. I'll wager that if everyone stopped buying ammo at the current prices that somehow the prices would drop down to what they were. But just like with housing prices and car prices there are idiots that will not only pay list prices but offer more just so they can get theirs. I don't make excuses for any company or human but hey that's just me.
@@SGAmmo_LLC 🥱
What company is supposed to be your friend? Your logic lacks reality.
...color me impressed...
thank you !! SG
Now alllow us folks behind enemy lines in california to have this stuff shipped to us..
Stop voting for Democrats.
If get your state to permanently change its laws to allow direct shipments to the consumer with no dealer transfer I will gladly do it. CA was a good place to do business before they made it a unbearably difficult process to do business there back in 2017 or 2018 (I don't remember exactly when it changed), but its just not practical to deal there with a 3rd party dealer in the middle, we tried it, its 50% more admin work in a day for 2% more sales
@@SGAmmo_LLCYou are aware that FFL03/COE holders have zero restrictions to having ammo shipped into CA correct? What all the other online stores are doing is requiring proof of COE/FFL03 and that's sufficient for them, I would strongly recommend examining this option.
Good to see you still got your shooting finger. Lol
I’d love to give you my business again, but for some reason you don’t ship to Maine, even though we’re one of the most 2A-friendly northeast states.
You don't pay attention to your state politics and what the anti-2A Democrats are trying to do in your state.
unfortunately the Maine Revenue Service chose to rob my company in the most unfair audit I have had out of many, many audits, and as a result of that I no longer do business there
@@SGAmmo_LLC Excuse me for my ignorance... How can Maine audit you?
🇦🇺😎👍Love it 🏁
thank you !! SG
Gonna need some 7.92x33 soon with BD44's coming to the market soon..
8mm Kurz is a caliber where supply is very very limited. Get it when you see it, the new guns coming are going to make that situation worse, not better
Due to the coming of the replica STG 44 I have started building AR 15 upper for sale in 7.92x33 Kurz.
Reloading supplies in bras and bullets + reloading dies for 7.92x33 Kurz now is not any problem to get from sites like Graf & Sons or MidwayUSA
Hornaday and RCBS make 7.92x33 reloading dies now.
I bought from Graf & Sons 1000 PPU 7.92x33 Kurz brass and 500 PPU 8mm 125 grain bullets.
Hornaday was making ammo in 7.92x33 Kurz
@@Lure-Benson hand loading that caliber would be wise if you are into it, because only PPU makes the case and loaded ammo and they do it once a year in a very small run, the loaded ammo always runs out for 6 months, and that is just from the guys with MP44 machine guns buying it, you go and add thousands of new semi's to the market and it will get so much worse on ammo supply. IMO its a little foolish to chamber new guns in this round for mass manufacturing, they should have just retrofit to 300 blackout chambered barrels
@Lure-Benson Who is making 7.92x33 AR barrels? I haven't heard barrel manufacturers producing them.
@@Enjoyer.762 I call Pac Nor then tell owner Joy this is what I want in barrel length and barrel contour the number of groves for rifling and rate of twist for the AR 15 barrels.
Jay normally ask me to do a barrel drawing to start with for basic idea then Jay works out the detail barrel and send the drawing for me to approve or change in some way
I do the same when building AR 10 uppers for sale.
These are prebuilt barrels they are done on my specification for what I want of a client has asked for.
I also tell Jay which length of gas tubes I am using such as I found the longer 17 inch gas tubes for not over 24 inch barrels are better and barrels over 24 inches I use the White Oak 18.5 inch gas tubes which are a must have doing the AR 10 upper in any of the WSM magnum chambers.
Going with the 17 inch gas tube works on uppers such as 6mm-284 - 250 Savage and 6.5-284 Norma or all cartridge of this powder charges.
If you would like to view AR 10s with Pac Nor barrels in 375 WSM - 6mm - 284 win and last is an upper on an AR 10 lower in 6.5-284 Norma go to Instagram and use my ID @ dwayneb1959 to find the photos on my account.
If you wish to chat about buying a custom AR upper use the Instagram account mailbox because TH-cam has turned commie dick head on so much about guns
If you just got all this ammo why does your website say your sold out already.
the video is a month old, and the 762x51 sold out in 4.5 days, the 5.56 took longer but ran out recently as well. I know this looks like ' a lot of ammo' but it really is not that much, just 2 semi truck loads. That kind of quantity does not last long when its something people really want
Where do I go for prices and availability?
the 762x51 sold out, but my stuff is always on my website SGAmmo.com
I hope they changed their primers ,I bought some 30 carbine that I would take two strikes to set off . It wasn’t just one firearm it was three ! Hard primers beware !
I've sold hundreds of millions of rounds of PPU ammo over the past 23+ years, I've never seen that problem with their product
@@SGAmmo_LLC Me either Sam, granted I've only shot about maybe a thousand rounds though. LOL
@@SGAmmo_LLC That's an amazing statistic. Do you really think you've sold that much?
And now you're out of the 5.56, and we never got the test video as promised. I'm a bit upset...
We made it, but between when it was made and when it woudl have been uploaded, TH-cam suspended our account temporarily with a strike, blocking any new video uploads, and delaying uploading. We will probably get kicked off here soon and have top post test videos to Twitter only after that where there are no rules about how we word what we say. And my son who makes the videos for me went back to college, slowing things down in another way
This is decent ammo. Run it through my Colt M4's often.
Great news .. see ya later today 😊Hope there is M30 x54r
I have M30 in stock
1 million rounds sold out in 3 days, people stocking up. wonder why?
the 762x51 was more like 700,000 rounds, in 4.5 days, but basically the same idea. There have not been a lot of deals on 762x51 like that one in recent years
@SGAmmo_LLC I wouldn't call your offering a " deal" you definitely gouged us on this compared to the vastly reduced rate you paid for this
@@johnadams673gotta make money otherwise you don't have a business
@johnadams673 LOL, maybe math is not your strong suit or you have a different understanding of what gouging means or are just leaping to assumptions, but it cost me 59.5 cents per round, I sold it for 67 to 70 cents per round, and I paid the shipping at about $23 per case, and a 3% merchant fee, and box/tape/labor to pack it the right way. I also absorbed the loss on about 70 cases that were loose and unmarketable, although we will link those and eventually recoup that initial loss. If you crunch the numbers I made about $18 a case on the average single case order (5%), or less on the 2+ and 10+ case discounts. If this is gouging then what isn't? Maybe your dreams will come true and socialists will take over the ammo business and do it for free, but I doubt it, and if making 5% is a crime then lock me up.
@@SGAmmo_LLC you made at the most $.20 cents a round ,……. That’s not gouging ….with all the things the democrats have done to the firearms industry since Clinton and the ATF acting like they can just change how to enforce the laws on the books ….you put up with a lot of bullshit making $.20 cents a round seems fare….to the customers , but is it fare to the business ?
This is 10 dollars cheaper than new lake city. Why would anyone pay that for old 5.56?
Referring to the 5.56 as a comparison (7.62x51 Lake City M80 is much more expensive), this is full mil-spec ammo, sealed primers, case mouth, fully performance tested and certified by the factory to be of combat grade before it was shipped to Jordan. You don't get that with new commercial sales material Lake City M193, that ammo is unsealed and only certified to be SAAMI spec (commercial spec)
@SGAmmo_LLC good points
@@SGAmmo_LLC So new 855 or 193 from lake city isn’t to the same quality?
@@craesh1001 New Lake City M193 ammo that you get in the commercial market is going to have unsealed cartridges with no case mouth or primer pocket sealant, and will have been manufactured and tested to meet SAAMI spec, which is less strict with more allowed deviation than performance testing a lot to meet to full mil-spec.
The M855 they make at Lake City for the commercial market may be the same story if they just want to run the line to make ammo for the commercial market, or it may be diverted military contract ammo that failed some attribute of full mil-spec, which is usually diverted for something super trivial, but still it is what it is, the diverted ammo is usually sealed case mouth and primer pocket and is actually better ammo than what is made for regular commercial sales material, it just might look ugly, or have sloppy sealant applied or some green paint splattered on it, velocity a hair below than the acceptable range, etc etc, this ammo meets or exceeds SAAMI spec, but did not meet full mil-spec. Don't get me wrong, Lake City makes a great product, but there are some cost saving shortcuts often used to make the stuff made for the US commercial market that would not be acceptable to military end-users
Nice….❤️🔥🤙🏻🇺🇸
Last time I bought Privi ammo it was utter garbage. Rims ripping off on extraction and failures to eject, bad primers etc.
What was the lot #? I don't think I've seen that from PPU
@@BuffRANGE The lot he never even bought lmao
PPU is one of the finest ammo products in the world, IMO, its hard to believe that was PPU ammo causing this problem
@@BuffRANGE I'd have to look. I have a couple of the green battle packs left, stuck in the stock pile somewhere.
Rims being torn off tells me you need to turn down the gas adjustment to off then make a half turn for each shot until you get the direction of extraction you need on firing.
Wrong regulated pressure is also a cause for non-extraction.
Also regularly replace the firing pin springs in AR rifles and go to the Wolf X power spring
Now we are getting close to the ammo pile a Texan usually has on hand!
Yep
yay. any ak?
there was 2 pallets of 762x39, but they sold out the day after it came in
Come back to the gunshows!
Gunshows are like 3 days work for 2 hours pay vs doing business online, I just cannot justify it, and my kids need a dad in their life, not out on the road
@@SGAmmo_LLC Yeah gun shows are getting pretty lame these days.
The 5.56 ammo is 45cpr +tax. Still about $35+ too expensive.
Not saying you paid/didn't pay this but 5.56, in 2015, was about 29-32cpr.
Its really not realistic to expect those sort of prices today, and in 2015 brass case 223/5.56 was closer to 40 to 45 cents per round at the end of the Obama-era where politics drove sales and the ammo market was fairly strong and where 5.56 was priced for the most part from 2008 to 2016, the dip in prices happened in the bust from 2017 to 2019, bottoming out in 2018 and 2019 on around 28 to 30 cents per round on 5.56 on average, with some deals at 26 cents and ranging up to 33 cents per round. That said, the factories operated at a loss at those prices, depressed pricing like we saw in 2017-2019 is why Remington went bankrupt and so many other factories came close. That was the 'bottom' of the market, not 'normal' pricing like we see these days, and it is important to know the difference when you set expectations for pricing
@SGAmmo_LLC maybe that's what some stores sold it at but online, bulk brass cased 5.56 ammo that most gun owners bought were as low as 29-30cpr. I know because I and plenty of other people were buying for that price. It's true that the 26-28cpr range didn't come around until 2017, and shipped prices went up after the wayfair decision, but smart shoppers weren't paying 40-45cpr unless they were buying small quantities from gun shops. Not bulk online like what you're selling.
Remington went bankrupt because of gross mismanagement not because of selling ammo at a loss. I'd need to see some proof on that one because this is the first I've heard anyone make that claim. Fact is no one was buying their guns except for maybe some, 870s (which had rust issues), r700 (trigger debacle and expired patent didn't help) and the tac13/14 (but the Mossberg Shockwave was better). Their 1911 was a disaster and they didn't come out with anything new. What they did release were "me too" products usually late or lower quality licensed copies. They didn't keep up with the times. Recalls and lawsuits didn't help. Ammo was probably the big thing getting AND staying in peoples hands.
@Yettiattack true but wasn't that their insurer? There the ones who settled, not remington.
@Yettiattack That number sounds big bill to pay, but would have been absorbable if it were profitable to make ammo and guns for Remington. The facts are the ammo and gun markets were crushed in 2017 to 2019, driving prices down to ridiculous lows on ammo, maybe guns too, but I did not follow that closely. Because it was not profitable to sell their product for so long, the impact of the law suit was one of the things that drove them out, but the big picture view is of a marketplace that was not profitable, coupled with running into some of the pitfalls of business, and the company cannot absorb the loss of an unexpected setback. If you can't make money doing something, and you do not have cash reserves, and you get hit hard with an unexpected expense, then you go bankrupt, and that is what happened in the bigger picture, but certainly lots of other details in the mix as as to 'why' well.
7.62 sold out.
Im the 1st like? Come on, people.
Great deal thanks! Your prices are too F’ing high. You could have sold it at a reasonable price rather than being greedy.
I make between $30 to $10 a case on either of these items depending on the quantity discount after I pay the shipping, credit card fees, box/tape/labor to pack the order. Really no way to do it for less. Its funny how people assume there is some sort of huge mark up on bulk ammo, but unless the market demand is crazy and everything is sold out, its normally a business of making 3% to 8% on full cases, some times 10% to 15% if I get real lucky. The greed kicks in when the demand is off the charts, and it has to to some degree to balance out profitability in the long term
I don't know what you're buying but $449.50/case with free shipping rocks.
@@dennissteininger5227 thank you! SG
@@SGAmmo_LLC I've been buying from you for years and just bought 4 cases!
You are absolutely stoned and can't read prices on their web site.
Crooked government.
Must be a reason they pay to replace it every 10 years
Yes...they have the funds to replace a million rounds at will. You...on the other hand...cannot afford 1K rounds shipping included.
Its mostly from governmental policy written by people that don't actually know 'how it works' and write regulations based on assumptions and uneducated opinions. As you probably know we have that problem in our country as well in major way
I have enough ammo from the Trump years to last the rest of my life. It's funny watching the new generation and If Trump gets back in I'm curious to see what happens.
If Trump doesn't get back in, bye-bye 2A.
As a generally conservation person I hope he wins for the good of the world and our country, that said, it may not go down the same way if he wins this time, things have changed and the rioters got away with a lot in 2020. To assume the same crashing result to the ammo market if Trump wins is a big assumption, there are no guarantees that history repeats itself the same way, and the positioning of the market cycle is different now (lower) than it was in 2016
Hilarious. Trump banned bump stocks with an executive order which was recently deemed unconstitutional by the supreme court. You're adorable to think he's any different than the other politicians although it's your right. I'll save my worship for Jesus Christ my Lord and keep a watchful eye on trashy humans like trump, harris, vance, biden and the other scumbag politicians.
I’ll wait till Trump gets in office and inflation goes down
Maybe
Hopefully
That is a theory, but far from a guaranteed thing, and if the lunatics all riot if Trump wins, that might drive demand off the charts like it did in 2020 when Trump was president. Lots of things 'could happen', and if you can see the future tell me the next drawings for the megamillions jackpot numbers please
Inflation is now the lowest it’s been since 2021…..and Shitler isn’t getting back in anyway my friend. He’s lost his mind. Have you actually seen any of his “rallies” lately? Jesus his brain is mush.
@jagpilotohio so you're saying that the election will be rigged like in 2020?
LOL The Jordanian military doesn't want it anymore after it sat in 100+ degree desert heat for 10 years, that should tell you something. Also nothing says professional like a tee shirt and shorts. LOL
Yeah keeping ammo carefully packaged and dry ruins it every time...🙄
the velocity testing would indicate if the ammo started to break down
@@cowmaneater1243 Primer reliability is the first to go not velocity. Again, I am sure the Jordanians had a reason to ditch this stuff. Every ammo expert on the planet recommends keeping ammo in a cool dry area, not a hot dry desert.
@@kennethferguson4283 i'm sure they just had it sitting out in the sun exposed to the elements.
@@zm1786 That could be why the Jordanians want to get rid of it! 🤣
all of that should be given to Ukraine
Are you kidding?
Given? 😂😂😂😂
don't be stupid
BS!
Screw Ukraine.. the largest modern transfer of wealth the US has ever seen
If it's not brass and it's steel I never shoot that ammo I bet it's not brass it's not for me pcm win gtg
This was brass case
Stick your bike on your shirt😊