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It's a disaster that they are moving away from being a sports car to being a chinese-appealing "luxury car." That, added to prohibitive costs and impossible availability means ... it's OVER. I've been on a waiting list for a GT3 allocation for over 3 years (since mid 2020). Nah. No more, thank you. I truly regret selling my 2017 911 Turbo S (991.2) at only 4,500 miles. One of the worst decisions of my life.
Agreed. Nearly every 911 owner I have talked to prefers the analog cluster including myself. I don't know if Porsche isn't listening to their customer base or what is going on
In my opinion, Porsche has not gotten the front bumper correct on a 911 in a while. Closest thing to good looking is the 911 turbo. Every other 911 has an okay front bumper, but not beautiful. Unfortunately, it looks like the 992.2 is even worse. I'm glad I bought a 992.1 Carrera T with sports design package in high gloss black. I still don't think it's beautiful, but it's better than what the 992.2 will be. Also, thank you for these regular updates on the 992.2. You are the best source on the Internet for 992.2 updates. Please keep them coming on a regular basis, thanks!
Never understood why people buy a 992. Comfort, tech, and luxury? Why not just buy a Bentley? For me there's no reason to "upgrade" from 991.2 GT3 to 992. I want a raw sports car and those don't exist anymore
@@mg-by7uu I bought a 992GTS for track days and weekends. I drive a Panamera daily which makes the Bentley I sold feel like a bag of shit. My wife has a Macan for the kids and the horse box and we own a Boxster for when the sun comes out. Understand now?
@@davidowen2859 I mean sort of. It supports my theory that people want big heavy luxury cars since you're a former Bentley owner. But you traded the Bentley for a 992 so you must've wanted the best of both worlds
@@mg-by7uu Thanks for your reply. Driving back to back a Bentley feels like 20 year old technology compared with a Panamera. A 992 cannot compare with a GT car its a completely different animal. Most of the people I know who have a 992 also have a daily saloon car.
After many months of research, budget planning and communication with a local dealer, I'm finally going to get the ball rolling on my configured 911 T Manual this coming March. Was told that it could take 12 to 18 months for delivery (which I'm ok with). Just wondering if the Tach will still be analog and the option to change the vertical front fascia (yuk) won't have to come with an expensive upgrade package.
Do you know what you are tlaking about? The 992.1 also had flaps in front of the radiators, only they were horizontal instead of vertical. Only if you chose the 'sport design package' the active aero here was removed (standard in GTS models).
Historically every gen 911 will depreciate slowly for several years until they hit market bottom value and then stabilize for several years. Then eventually they will start to increase in value slowly for several years until they peak and level off. The 991.2 should still be in the depreciation phase for another few years
@@Glock7eventeen banning new ICE vehicle sales not the existence or use of existing ones. Additionally when it comes to enthusiast cars like the 911 a ban on new gas versions will likely cause the values of existing gas 911s to skyrocket. Lastly Porsche has publicly stated that they will offer an ICE 911 option for as long as legally possible even if it requires using their new efuel
@@sutherlacd27 do you really believe that? They will 100% ban the private ownership of gas vehicles, it is practically guaranteed. Only question is when? Maybe 20 years from now, maybe 30.
992.1 are not too difficult to find available in Southern California. Many dealers have several from which to choose, and generally with an ADM of around $40k for ordinary models. GT3 / GT3 Touring / RS etc have $100 to $250k ADM. Several very low mileage 2023s are available as well, with no mark-up. As for the 992.2, prices will make most customers pause for quite a while before paying hug sums to buy something that is not exactly what they dream of.
most of the 992.1 Carrera Lineup is MSRP now in most of the states. GTS is the only one I hear occasional ADM for now. Still, it's the rapidly increasing prices that are causing that.
The same here in Canada. The only overpriced ones are the Turbo S and the GT3's and even there prices are dropping. With high interest rates around, financing it's a lot more expensive, those who paid a lot over MSRP are having a hard time flipping them.
Saying Porsche care about Chinese market kind of proves that you have never being to a Chinese Porsche dealership, and see how the Chinese consumers are paying so much higher prices for a lower spec car 😂
IMO the 991.1 had the purest Porsche 911 line out of all modern 911's. I've never really been impressed with the 992's, the lightbar in the back is good looking, but the car is too gimmicky "retro" for me..
Lol. Anyone that buys these cars for this much money is absolutely nuts. I've had the privilege and opportunity to drive turbo 911's, carrera S's, and all sorts of other high end sports cars. They are all fun to drive, and yeah, people look at you everywhere you go (the real reason why they're bought), but none of them are worth half this much money. Crazy thing about Porsche, the average person can't even tell the difference between a 1996 carrera or a 2023. You can have just as much fun with a used Camaro, Mustang, or a Corvette for a fraction of the cost. What a crazy time to be alive. At this point, just get a Ferrari or a Lambo instead.
I have previously owned 3 Camaros, 1 mustang, and 1 GTO prior to getting my 911 turbo. I cross shopped it with several cars including the c7z06. The 911 is a significantly different experience than those cars. Much more refined and the quality of the materials used is absolutely noticeable. And the point of getting the 911 instead of something like a Ferrari or Lambo is the reliability and affordable maintenance costs
Ehhhh...I think the 997.1 turbo might take the win. Mezger engine, manual option, mechanical steering system, and the last gen before the 911 became so bloated size wise
@@sutherlacd27 997.2 is the pinnacle for me but the 997.1 turbo is a beautiful example no question. the entire 991 range seems dated and easy to pass on after owning a 992. its really 997 or 992 in terms of design and feel. the 991 will not hold over time like the 997 imo
@@drewztube1 997 for driving experience, performance, and comfort as a package. I've considered selling mine for a 991 simply because they can make up to 1000hp with bolt ons and tuning and hold it with a torque limiting tune whereas my 997 is limited to roughly 750hp before the rods need upgraded. And the 991 has the 2nd gen pdk which is more robust than the 1st gen pdk in the 997.2. But my thoughts are that for the cost to get a 991 after selling my 997 I could do a bottom end build on my car and mod it to push upwards of 1000hp and then I get to keep the more analog experience
I think for me it all comes down to whether Porsche decides to take the 4.0 natural aspirated 6 Zylinder Engine or the current one. 170k for an Carrera S with a modern interior and a 460PS natural aspirated engine sounds reasonable.
@@florian_d I know 996 GT3s no one wanted. 997s had some interest, but you didn't have to play games. 991 you had to start playing a little bit of a game. 992 is gamesmania
So glad that I have a pure spec T coming. It will almost 100% my last car from the Stuttgart manufacturer. I had some 911s in the past and was always an admirer of the engineering perfection and passion driven company. This luxury marketing tricks now are a big turn off and although the Porsche maybe very successful with this strategy they sacrifice parts of their automative soul. However the hybridization anyway will ne marking the beginning of the end of an area were the 911 was an icon of the classic sport car. Bye the way an 2014 na Boxster S was one of the best cars I’ve ever driven
Is Porsche's strategy for the 911 right? I am not sure... It is already very expensive compared to the competition regarding performance. So I guess the 911 is a luxury grand tourer and not a sports car?! Another thing is that the German industry is going all in on the Chinese market but that market is failing now. PORSCHE - DON'T FORGET ABOUT YOUR CORE CUSTOMERS!
true! a 40k price increase is ludicrous, so where is his evidence? i have an allocation for a 992.2, dealer knows just as much as me about what the car is going to feature. can’t believe they are dragging this out THIS far
I don't get it. Why charge the car like that to accommodate the Chinese market if you already can't produce enough for your current market. Now that I wrote it I get it. 🤐
...and the Chinese market is no sure bet anymore. That market is moving over to domestically produced EVs and away from foreign cars. Porsche's best foreign market is shifting back to California. Their move in recent years to what is similar to the Ferrari model may come back to bite them. Ferrari is a relatively low volume producer.
Over in the UK, there's 100 plus brand new 922.1 for sale at authorised dealer. And you can get discounts from the AD because interests rate is around 10% if you buy it on hired purchase. Not many folks are buying. Don't know about the USA market. But from the details, your getting bent over backwards at the AD. It's like Rolex watches. You can't buy any from the AD. But it's full of shite, because they are holding them back, and you have to buy a solid gold one before relinquishing stainless steel model to you. No one is buying and most likely Rolex has shot themselves in the foot now. China has drop sales for around 25% for porsche cars. And porshce AD will have lots of locations for Porsche unless Porsche HQ in Germany themselves are holding back. Interest rate will go next year, but how much we don't know.
Which is it? You are speaking to a different circumstance on these issues. Sounds like they are giving 911's away in the Uk but then you state "it's like Rolex - you can't buy any". ?? ..i own a 992.1 and multiple sports model Rolex. Both are sought after in the US and both are increasingly difficult to acquire at retail (through dealership or AD). Not sure if you are misinformed or simply pushing misinformation in hopes or altering the market. Either way you aren't speaking reality. 911 allocations are difficult if not impossible without an inside relationship. Same with Rolex sports model acquisitions here in the US. That's not changing on either front any time soon
Sounds a little like speculation in this vid, clickbait title perhaps, why am I so negative - car is still in development and not to be announced until next year, next model is the 24th November with the Panamera. Everything here is guesstimates and NOT fact based
Porsche are able to put out whatever junk they want and Porsche customers will lap it up, 911 Dakar for example, should have had gt3 engine and manual gearbox but no need as customers formed an orderly queue and begged to buy one!
Not entirely true. Look at the 718 sales for the turbo 4cyl. That flopped. People wanted a flat 6 so they didn't buy the turbo 4cyl and because of that Porsche brought back multiple flat 6 options
I HATE those slats!!! Totally don’t work with the, otherwise, sleek design. Also, Porsche have lost the plot over pricing, my next 911 probably won’t be a 911!! I’m not paying those prices, sorry Porsche.
From what I can see now, I do prefer the front of the 992.2 to the 992.1 which was to horizontal and very simple, maybe too simple, it lacked personality
What looks like rear exhaust pipes build into the front spoiler of a new 911 is not what I would call a good design choice. The slates people can get used to. It's the small things that stand out.
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No discussion on Porsche's reversion to the more traditionally mounted rear wing instead of the 992 gooseneck variant?
I gave up on the 911 after the .2rs. After that, prices got stupid and they started getting odd looking.
Went with a gt4rs just for the thrills.
The ugly is that 4 stupid dots on the headlight.
Background music makes this almost unwatchable
It's a disaster that they are moving away from being a sports car to being a chinese-appealing "luxury car." That, added to prohibitive costs and impossible availability means ... it's OVER. I've been on a waiting list for a GT3 allocation for over 3 years (since mid 2020). Nah. No more, thank you. I truly regret selling my 2017 911 Turbo S (991.2) at only 4,500 miles. One of the worst decisions of my life.
To be fair anything except the gt3/gt2 really are intended to be grand touring cars where some luxury is important
*i hate them for removing tachometer, it is a start of the end*
The digital dash is ugly imo. Cheap and sterile :-(
Agreed. Nearly every 911 owner I have talked to prefers the analog cluster including myself. I don't know if Porsche isn't listening to their customer base or what is going on
In my opinion, Porsche has not gotten the front bumper correct on a 911 in a while. Closest thing to good looking is the 911 turbo. Every other 911 has an okay front bumper, but not beautiful. Unfortunately, it looks like the 992.2 is even worse. I'm glad I bought a 992.1 Carrera T with sports design package in high gloss black. I still don't think it's beautiful, but it's better than what the 992.2 will be.
Also, thank you for these regular updates on the 992.2. You are the best source on the Internet for 992.2 updates. Please keep them coming on a regular basis, thanks!
Agreed on the bumpers
Never understood why people buy a 992. Comfort, tech, and luxury? Why not just buy a Bentley? For me there's no reason to "upgrade" from 991.2 GT3 to 992. I want a raw sports car and those don't exist anymore
@@mg-by7uu I bought a 992GTS for track days and weekends. I drive a Panamera daily which makes the Bentley I sold feel like a bag of shit. My wife has a Macan for the kids and the horse box and we own a Boxster for when the sun comes out. Understand now?
@@davidowen2859 I mean sort of. It supports my theory that people want big heavy luxury cars since you're a former Bentley owner. But you traded the Bentley for a 992 so you must've wanted the best of both worlds
@@mg-by7uu Thanks for your reply. Driving back to back a Bentley feels like 20 year old technology compared with a Panamera. A 992 cannot compare with a GT car its a completely different animal. Most of the people I know who have a 992 also have a daily saloon car.
I’ll stick with the 992.1
Dang. The prices for these cars has always been high. The 992.2s will be insane. I'm glad I pulled the trigger on a 992.1.
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I am glad I bought a 2023 992.1 C2S with SportDesign Package in GT silver. Beautiful and clean front and rear.
After many months of research, budget planning and communication with a local dealer, I'm finally going to get the ball rolling on my configured 911 T Manual this coming March. Was told that it could take 12 to 18 months for delivery (which I'm ok with). Just wondering if the Tach will still be analog and the option to change the vertical front fascia (yuk) won't have to come with an expensive upgrade package.
Why would anyone buy a 911 at $500K when you can buy a real exotic for less??!!!
We have an early allocation. Can’t speak for the US prices but we were told that while yes, the prices do increase by a bit (afaik
This is a throw back to what Porsche did with the 911 headlights when they brought out the fried egg shaped headlights - they looked horrendous!!!
Do you know what you are tlaking about? The 992.1 also had flaps in front of the radiators, only they were horizontal instead of vertical. Only if you chose the 'sport design package' the active aero here was removed (standard in GTS models).
So will this cause the 991.2s to go up in price too?
I'm gunning for that model but not sure if I should pull now
Do it, I love mine and it has been rock solid. 17 C2 manual slick top
Historically every gen 911 will depreciate slowly for several years until they hit market bottom value and then stabilize for several years. Then eventually they will start to increase in value slowly for several years until they peak and level off. The 991.2 should still be in the depreciation phase for another few years
@@sutherlacd27except many nations are banning gasoline cars within the next 10-15 years..
@@Glock7eventeen banning new ICE vehicle sales not the existence or use of existing ones.
Additionally when it comes to enthusiast cars like the 911 a ban on new gas versions will likely cause the values of existing gas 911s to skyrocket.
Lastly Porsche has publicly stated that they will offer an ICE 911 option for as long as legally possible even if it requires using their new efuel
@@sutherlacd27 do you really believe that? They will 100% ban the private ownership of gas vehicles, it is practically guaranteed. Only question is when? Maybe 20 years from now, maybe 30.
992.1 are not too difficult to find available in Southern California. Many dealers have several from which to choose, and generally with an ADM of around $40k for ordinary models. GT3 / GT3 Touring / RS etc have $100 to $250k ADM. Several very low mileage 2023s are available as well, with no mark-up. As for the 992.2, prices will make most customers pause for quite a while before paying hug sums to buy something that is not exactly what they dream of.
So dumb to pay adm on a non Gt 911.
most of the 992.1 Carrera Lineup is MSRP now in most of the states. GTS is the only one I hear occasional ADM for now. Still, it's the rapidly increasing prices that are causing that.
The same here in Canada. The only overpriced ones are the Turbo S and the GT3's and even there prices are dropping. With high interest rates around, financing it's a lot more expensive, those who paid a lot over MSRP are having a hard time flipping them.
Nowadays, it seems normal to pay an ADM in the USA 😂. What a successful Porsche markeking effort, better than Apple.
ARC, please turn the music down
The market adjustment fees is just in American Porsche centers we don’t have that in Europe only on used cars
Saying Porsche care about Chinese market kind of proves that you have never being to a Chinese Porsche dealership, and see how the Chinese consumers are paying so much higher prices for a lower spec car 😂
Isn’t that proving his point?
the vertical louvers remind me of what BMW did with M4, what the hell. Sure glad I got a 2020 Carrera. Tim
IMO the 991.1 had the purest Porsche 911 line out of all modern 911's. I've never really been impressed with the 992's, the lightbar in the back is good looking, but the car is too gimmicky "retro" for me..
The front is an upgrade from the 992.1, which looked like it had its teeth knocked out
I’ll never sell my 992 C2 and if you are correct with .2 pricing my 101k base cost will never loose a penny. And damn that’s an ugly front end !
Loose a penny? Think you mean lose.:)
Lol. Anyone that buys these cars for this much money is absolutely nuts.
I've had the privilege and opportunity to drive turbo 911's, carrera S's, and all sorts of other high end sports cars. They are all fun to drive, and yeah, people look at you everywhere you go (the real reason why they're bought), but none of them are worth half this much money. Crazy thing about Porsche, the average person can't even tell the difference between a 1996 carrera or a 2023.
You can have just as much fun with a used Camaro, Mustang, or a Corvette for a fraction of the cost.
What a crazy time to be alive. At this point, just get a Ferrari or a Lambo instead.
I have previously owned 3 Camaros, 1 mustang, and 1 GTO prior to getting my 911 turbo. I cross shopped it with several cars including the c7z06. The 911 is a significantly different experience than those cars. Much more refined and the quality of the materials used is absolutely noticeable. And the point of getting the 911 instead of something like a Ferrari or Lambo is the reliability and affordable maintenance costs
dumbest comment award
991.2 was the best iteration of the 911
Ehhhh...I think the 997.1 turbo might take the win. Mezger engine, manual option, mechanical steering system, and the last gen before the 911 became so bloated size wise
@@sutherlacd27 997.2 is the pinnacle for me but the 997.1 turbo is a beautiful example no question. the entire 991 range seems dated and easy to pass on after owning a 992. its really 997 or 992 in terms of design and feel. the 991 will not hold over time like the 997 imo
@@drewztube1 997 for driving experience, performance, and comfort as a package. I've considered selling mine for a 991 simply because they can make up to 1000hp with bolt ons and tuning and hold it with a torque limiting tune whereas my 997 is limited to roughly 750hp before the rods need upgraded. And the 991 has the 2nd gen pdk which is more robust than the 1st gen pdk in the 997.2.
But my thoughts are that for the cost to get a 991 after selling my 997 I could do a bottom end build on my car and mod it to push upwards of 1000hp and then I get to keep the more analog experience
No it’s not. It’s the ugliest
The 992 got much bigger than the 991. The 991.2 with the twin turbos have alot more torque than the 997. I'll take the 991.2, thank you very much.
I think for me it all comes down to whether Porsche decides to take the 4.0 natural aspirated 6 Zylinder Engine or the current one. 170k for an Carrera S with a modern interior and a 460PS natural aspirated engine sounds reasonable.
That was a rumor, it isn't happening
@@a004 Yes I know, I am still hoping it will 😂 It would be so great
@@florian_d yeah but people wouldn't like up and play the game to get a GT3 if the NA engine was so easily accessible
@@a004 Did the GT3 sell that bad prior to the 991.2 generation?
@@florian_d I know 996 GT3s no one wanted. 997s had some interest, but you didn't have to play games. 991 you had to start playing a little bit of a game. 992 is gamesmania
So they finally ruined the 911 turbo s… this will be a very bad loss for the automotive industry
Was't an hybrid version planned?
Yes. They stated that they designed the 992 platform to be hybrid capable for the upcoming update
So glad that I have a pure spec T coming. It will almost 100% my last car from the Stuttgart manufacturer. I had some 911s in the past and was always an admirer of the engineering perfection and passion driven company. This luxury marketing tricks now are a big turn off and although the Porsche maybe very successful with this strategy they sacrifice parts of their automative soul. However the hybridization anyway will ne marking the beginning of the end of an area were the 911 was an icon of the classic sport car. Bye the way an 2014 na Boxster S was one of the best cars I’ve ever driven
Porsche put the Mezger's back in and please do not give a f- - k about emissions and miles per gallon!
So… 132k to 170k on base Carrera S - I’m out
Front facia is hideous and thanks for taking my tach… jeeze
Is Porsche's strategy for the 911 right? I am not sure... It is already very expensive compared to the competition regarding performance. So I guess the 911 is a luxury grand tourer and not a sports car?! Another thing is that the German industry is going all in on the Chinese market but that market is failing now.
PORSCHE - DON'T FORGET ABOUT YOUR CORE CUSTOMERS!
The 911 has been a GT car for years now. Not a sports car.
Not a word about the hybrid drive train?
I would love a video about the new 718 :)
170k USD for a BASE Carrera S sounds very suspect. Unless you claim you have inside info.
true! a 40k price increase is ludicrous, so where is his evidence? i have an allocation for a 992.2, dealer knows just as much as me about what the car is going to feature. can’t believe they are dragging this out THIS far
Early 992 2021 base turbo model used to be $172k. What an increase😅
Jokes.
Back in 2019 it started at $113,000
music with lyrics in the BG, bro don't do that.
I don't get it. Why charge the car like that to accommodate the Chinese market if you already can't produce enough for your current market.
Now that I wrote it I get it. 🤐
...and the Chinese market is no sure bet anymore. That market is moving over to domestically produced EVs and away from foreign cars. Porsche's best foreign market is shifting back to California. Their move in recent years to what is similar to the Ferrari model may come back to bite them. Ferrari is a relatively low volume producer.
It not a huge departure, its just huge.
Over in the UK, there's 100 plus brand new 922.1 for sale at authorised dealer.
And you can get discounts from the AD because interests rate is around 10% if you buy it on hired purchase.
Not many folks are buying.
Don't know about the USA market.
But from the details, your getting bent over backwards at the AD.
It's like Rolex watches.
You can't buy any from the AD.
But it's full of shite, because they are holding them back, and you have to buy a solid gold one before relinquishing stainless steel model to you.
No one is buying and most likely Rolex has shot themselves in the foot now.
China has drop sales for around 25% for porsche cars.
And porshce AD will have lots of locations for Porsche unless Porsche HQ in Germany themselves are holding back.
Interest rate will go next year, but how much we don't know.
Which is it? You are speaking to a different circumstance on these issues. Sounds like they are giving 911's away in the Uk but then you state "it's like Rolex - you can't buy any". ?? ..i own a 992.1 and multiple sports model Rolex. Both are sought after in the US and both are increasingly difficult to acquire at retail (through dealership or AD). Not sure if you are misinformed or simply pushing misinformation in hopes or altering the market. Either way you aren't speaking reality. 911 allocations are difficult if not impossible without an inside relationship. Same with Rolex sports model acquisitions here in the US. That's not changing on either front any time soon
Sounds a little like speculation in this vid, clickbait title perhaps, why am I so negative - car is still in development and not to be announced until next year, next model is the 24th November with the Panamera. Everything here is guesstimates and NOT fact based
A hybrid system confirmed ? No way it gets the 4.0 NA (GT car only power train) …
There will be some hybrid versions but without the 4.0 NA
Classic shape…tadpole body shape and Lego front and rear with Bosch toaster inserts…bloody awful.
Porsche are able to put out whatever junk they want and Porsche customers will lap it up, 911 Dakar for example, should have had gt3 engine and manual gearbox but no need as customers formed an orderly queue and begged to buy one!
Not entirely true. Look at the 718 sales for the turbo 4cyl. That flopped. People wanted a flat 6 so they didn't buy the turbo 4cyl and because of that Porsche brought back multiple flat 6 options
Tbh the 992.2 intakes look a lot better than the .1 which to me just looks like a big rectangle
I would say the jury is not out. Nearly all of the 911 992.1 models have a different front spoiler design some better, some worse.
I HATE those slats!!! Totally don’t work with the, otherwise, sleek design. Also, Porsche have lost the plot over pricing, my next 911 probably won’t be a 911!! I’m not paying those prices, sorry Porsche.
Turn that annoying ahh music off. Its distracting af
Kill the music. Completely unnecessary
Try no beard...
Who cares about what the chinese want, they can’t handle the Porsche.
Porsche AG. Have become Extremely Greedy!
From what I can see now, I do prefer the front of the 992.2 to the 992.1 which was to horizontal and very simple, maybe too simple, it lacked personality
the front of the 992.1 was already so piss ugly Im glad they changed it up a little.
What looks like rear exhaust pipes build into the front spoiler of a new 911 is not what I would call a good design choice. The slates people can get used to. It's the small things that stand out.
Nice and informative but jesus christ fix your greenscreen or get rid of it completely man
😂😂😂They can keep,it 👎👎👎👎 Go Lambo
If I want to do a twin turbo 2000hp build then yes Lambo. Otherwise I'll take the reliability and maintenance costs of the 911 over a Lambo