no Doctor Weir is not. Remember she is a very capable skilled negotiator. She is feeling out the System Lords probing for weakness or finding out what the System Lords really know. In other words Doctor Weir is bluffing
The only reason Earth figured it out was because they reversed engineered Goa'uld technology. Which I think the Goa'uld would have found ironic since they reversed engineered it from Ancients. But unlike the Tau'ri who has the Asgard and Ancient Repositories to help them, the Goa'uld figured it out on their own. A testament to their ingenuity.
@@ParagonRex Yes but the Goa'uld technology has stagnated for thousands of years. Whereas Earth's technological level leapfrogged them in only about a decade.
@@Raine-Cat Stagnated yes, but leapfrogged nah. The Tau ri had most of their advances handed to them by either stealing from the Goa'uld, or generous gifts from the Asgard. OR, their plot enhanced ability to have a gene that let them use Ancient tech, as opposed to the Goa'uld who did not have the Gene and had to learn to adapt the Ancient tech the hard way.
Dr. Weir: the pacifist diplomat who led the most powerful military contingent on Earth, waged war in 2 galaxies, and helped Earth become an intergalactic superpower.
And yet somehow was turned into a Replicant ghost because that's how stories organically end in the Stargate universe? The showrunners really didn't know what they were doing with this series.
@@Theomite Wasn't the problem Amanda Tappings Contract in the first place? This led to the decision to let her go so the Character Sam Carter could lead atlantis for one season to fulfill the contract. I think it was because she was pregnant and couldn't fulfill her contract fully before. But I'm working from memory here so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Of course it was kinda sloppy writing with Dr. Weirs end. But sometimes it seems that writers have to make weird decisions because real life situations made them complicated.
Actually Lord Yu is suffering from a form of senility. He is so old now the regenerative powers of the sarcophagus no longer work for him. His First Prime and others cover for him so the other System Lords do not attack his domain. So Lord Yu isn't chillin, he just isn't completely there
Its amazing to see how the attitude of the system Lord's towards tge Tauri changed as the series progressed. In the beginning they viewed the tauri as nothing, later they negotiated with the tauri in desperation!
They probably knew the potential of Mankind, which is exactly why their treaty with the Asgard stipulated not allowing a human world to advance to a point approaching parity with the Goa'uld. For all their stuffiness and narcissism, they were pragmatic about not allowing their "slaves" to match them. The whole act of pretending to be gods is hard to maintain when there are humans who can confront and fight you off.
He's been through diplomatic talks to know you don't question your leader. Would have made Weir look weak. But we all knew he wanted to say "What are you doing?!"
The amusing thing is that earlier the entire SGC staff was bewildered when they found out the Asgard Protected planets treaty is just one giant bluff. They were kind of disapointed and pissed, 5 years later they do it themselves. I can just imagine Thor hearing about this and thinking "beeing perceived a galaxy shaping power isn't as easy as it seems, huh. Who would have known?" The statement that the "Tau'ri already have working hyperdrives" is actually a half truth. Technically yes, but both due to design flaws and the use of Naquadria it is far less than stable. It was flawed enough to strand the Prometheus above another planet with no easy way to return and in this episode it´s still there. Of course we know that the Asgard would eventually help work out the kinks in the Hyperdrive design leading to the BC-304 but at this moment Weir is bluffing just as much as the Asgard were in season 3.
Oh how times have changed. From requiring Asgard protection to being able to negotiate directly with the System Lords as equals and being able to demand territory in return for doing favours 😅😅😅
lol the sass in Amaterasu when she said "How many can you build" as if one was a challenge. In all truth, it is amazing how humanity has grown in this show. In the beginning, we couldn't handle 2 mothership. Now Weir can intimidate the System Lords.
You are mistaking what happened. She is doing intelligence gathering, trying to size up the tau'ri space threat and capabilities. Jackson tactfully shut her down by responding with exactly the same thing, asking the size of her fleets. The answer 'one ship with another on the way' probably would have terminated the meeting right then and there, and resulted in an immediate planetary assault by these system lords. They are currently and incorrectly granting a way higher threat rating than we actually deserve, and that bluff is keeping us safe. The obvious message being loud and clear to both parties, grand strategic information is classified for a reason, and we aren't morons. Don't ask about our exact capabilities.
@@Nichi-Ji It is very good, I am happy for you, since you get to experience it for the first time. Outstanding actors and one of the best space dramas. 👍
@@TomalakGeretkal so you seen the first comment and went and made it a reality. Very Cool. Now make her sound like a Gou'a'ould after sucking Helium. lol.
Her Logic is flawless, taking out a system lord means you get to take their system... That would make a great StarGate Reboot - EARTH in control of a wide Federation, all Goa'uld liberated worlds under Tarran protection.
@@saberiandream316 Fall of the terran empire is spock's fault if he failed with the reforms empire wouldn't fall...by the cardassian-klingon alliance...
I actually liked Yu's First Prime. I wish they'd found a way to bring that actor back after the Jaffa were free and working on setting up their own nation on Dekara. I wonder what happened to him.
Damn, I forgot how brilliant this could be when dealing with inter-species politics. Humanity is weak compared to all the aliens, but it isn't naive. It has powerful friends, is developing powerful technologies and can think for itself - and it knows when even the mighty goa'uld are over a barrel.
O’Neill: “Yo Thor, few names add to the protected planets treaty” Thor: “O’Neill, you must mean this in jest, you mean for us to protect an additional 4793 new worlds?” Weir: “Silence, I will not suffer this insolence”
See I have always wondered how come bluffing works so well then I realized the system lords being power hungry and obsesed with immortality are risk averse.
I wouldn't call him morally grey, in the end of the day he murders and enslaves just like the others. I always thought his demeanor towards earth was a good strategy. As was mentioned in the series, his interests lay in other parts of the galaxy so he wasn't in a rush to take out earth. He just let us be a pain in the other system lord's butts while he wasn't harmed because he didn't give us reason to attack him and we were obviously too busy to care much about him.
@@limiv5272 again, he was an OG system lord. He learned from Ra running into the Asgard that sometimes it’s best not to stick his nose where it’s gonna get punched. With the Asgard backing earth (at least as far as he knew) he wasn’t willing to push the matter cuz he knew better. For whatever reason the other, newer system lords were always tryna push the boundaries of what they could get away with. Yu never did that, he knew what was allowed and he played within those boundaries.
@@nikik5567 Sure, Yu was there when Ra dealt with the Asgard, but we don't actually know how that affected Yu's judgement if at all, and it has nothing to do with whether or not he's 'morally grey'
@@limiv5272 I think it does. I think he knows how much of a pain in the ass that fight would be a second time, especially without Ra, so he steers clear.
Dr Weir faces the Goa'uld: bitchs youre in my park now! Dr Weir facing the Wraith: I have the city of Atlantis at my back.... fight me you space vampires! Dr Weir facing the Pegasus replicators: Shall we Beguin........
Later.... Daniel Jackson: Uh... Doctor Weir... didn't you used to be blonde? And a completely different person? Dr Weir: There was a mix up with a solar flare and a different universe. It's complicated. Jackson: But- Weir: COM-PLI-CATE-ED!!!! _stalks off in a huff, leaving a very puzzled Jackson behind_
Complicated turns out that blonde Weir was and is really into the Burning Man Festival (in that she helps organise it) and when the producers found out, the stigma attached to it at the time meant they felt it could negatively impact the show and so they passed on picking her up for Atlantis.
I would Love to see some fanfiction story where the Goa'uld System lords would agree to some of Wier's bluffing offer since their so desperate since the Rise of the Goa'uld system lord Ba'al.
Exactly right. What are we, assholes?! If we're good enough to fight *like* the Goa'uld, we're good enough to be split into the spoils *like* the Goa'uld :D
@@Kosinuss In all seriousness, I think that's a big part of what seperated the series from the original book/movie. And given the success of the series overall, maybe people felt like that aspect made the series a bit more relatable and easier to connect to and enjoy. Although, personally, I still prefer the original Stargate movie when all is said and done, hands down.
@@SpaceJawaGuess not, however it does beg a question I've written to the creators of SG1 about amonst others of what criteria the semi amphibious Gou'alds would or do have for mammalian simians. If it were reversed, I have no clear idea of exactly which, umm, frog in a pond I would like to inhabit: leg strength, speed, coloration, gender, eyesight, tongue length, etc
@@LordTalax Well, didn't really see all that much of their societal structure, though got to give them the edge in sheer strength; but humans have the lead in language, communication and physical dexterity as our hands can perform more fine tuned tasks,
Which is why it made no sense that in the episode where Hathor captures the members of SG-1 and tricks them into thinking they're on Earth in the future, the Tokra woman working undercover with her is a plain Jane - that should have made her stand out right away.
EVerytime I watch this episode, this scene, the one question on my mind is.... "How big is Weir's collar?" Like seriously its massive, over her shoulders. Must be a 1990's style that was lost.
You know...it would be interesting to see what would happen if the System Lords did agree and Earth ends up owning and managing Ba'al's territories and assets.
The locals of those worlds would probably break down into disparate factions and slowly being eaten away by their neighbors. Earth wouldn't have had the time or manpower to oversee that kind of territory and I think the Asgard treaty only protected Earth. Perhaps they could have held it long enough to gain enough resources to build some more ships to consolidate a handful of worlds especially if they were unpopulated or had a small enough population that would welcome their protection.
After just saying, "If we are going to kill Ba'al for you, why should we ask for anything less?".... turning around and asking for less would have definately been a sign of weakness. If we already had viable hyperdrive tech, like she told the system lords, we wouldn't need them to counter with a lesser offer. She played it correctly.
@@derianvandalsen That SHOWS weakness. The player with the best possible hand isn't showing strength, because no one will call, they'll show as much weakness while still staying in the hand as possible to draw as much as possible into the pot.
If the series was currently at 2021 let's say continuing right now, the computers would be quantum speed, we copied Ba'al's subspace networking to keep the galaxy connected to each other, there would be a galactic trade federation, bureaucrats and politics unfortunately, The Supergate is still operational so it can used to do trade and updates to and from the Ori Galaxy with Toman as the overseer still I'd guess , the Daedalus fleet I'm sure has grown to at least 50 ships, the Pegasus Asgard have some O'Neill Class Warships to keep the peace between the humans and Wraith, we still dont know much about the Atilla Galaxy and why haven't we been to the Andromeda Galaxy yet? I'm sure the Jaffa and the Tau'ri are sharing overseeing The Milky Way learning from each other and exploring more of the ancient planet destinations. Perhaps a couple Aurora Class ships were found? But the Andromeda galaxy has a much deeper threat to keep the show going
You count out the Goa'uld far too quickly, do you seriously think that an advance race that ruled the Milky War for 10s of thousands of years would be beaten that easily. That there are not Goa;uld out there plotting, taking the place of Yu and Ba'al and Aphosis? Building new fleets, creating new weapons?
@@ParagonRex Yes. The Goa'uld are totally beaten and destroyed. They lost everything. My bigger issue is that the Pegasus Asgard are total dicks. I doubt they'd keep any peace because they only care about themselves.
@@blackbot7113 I doubt that, the Asgard in Pegasus will no doubt be a force to be reckoned with now that the Wraith are broken, but the Goa'uld beaten? Not even close. Do you really think that a race who could fight the Asgard to a stand still could be so easily beaten? Underestimate them at your own peril. The Humans, the Ori, the Asgard, the Replicators, all underestimated the Goa'uld and paid the price for their hubris.
"the Pegasus Asgard have some O'Neill Class Warships to keep the peace between the humans and Wraith" Huh?? The Asgard (Vanir) in the Pegasus galaxy are hopelessly behind in technology compared to the milky way Asgard, they were too busy just surviving and trying to fix their cloning issue to advance much in the time they were there. Not to mention getting ass whooped by the wraith, their only remaining ships have weapons and shields similar to the Gould Hatak... but pretty sure they are smaller over all and their shields are clearly not very effective, they got rekt by a traveler ship which is.... extremely unimpressive. The Vanir would be doing amazingly well to simply have the Atlanteans/Taur'i/Earth Humans load their Daedalus class ships up with as many as they can take and keep making runs back and forth between the two galaxies until they have all been brought back to the Milky Way where we find a safe, pleasant planet for them to rebuild their civilization on with Earth's help of course in terms of man power and materials/resources and military protection in the form of a semi-permanent Daedalus class cruiser in orbit. In time they could become a valuable ally. We could even retrofit their current ships with intergalactic hyperdrives and eventually bring their ships too them so they have something to trade with, protect themselves with etc around their new home.
Don't think she was tricked, she knew the stargate led to nowhere but sacrificed herself because the other replicators couldn't be trusted. She says "its ok ill go first" to lure the others in. McKay acknowledges it by saying well we know its her now since she stepped through. That's my take on it anyway.
You were pretty much accurate there but Stargate Atlantis was really a good syfy series it would be nicer if it had more than a decade of seasons in it....
I've always wondered if Weir made a goof there, saying the Asgard were giving them hyperdrives. Seems like a violation of the protected planets treaty.
Look I like Torri's Weir, but after the recent Dial the Gate interview with Jessica Stein the OG Weir, I can't help but wonder how this scene between the System Lords and even Daniel would played out with the original actress. I'm so curious about it honestly. Similarly to OG Daniel, Jack, Catharine, and Sharui, the first actor only gets one chance to show their performance in one story. I like what we got in both SG1 and SGA but I still wonder about what could have been.
I wonder what would look like Earth and both Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies now on 2024 on the Stargate Universe? Most probably and seeing how things goes on ours, maybe Earth face several withdraw but still pushing to become a Superpower. In a Side note, when I was playing Ogame, I wanted to name one my planets Weir but I was farmed and drop that Universe. At least on another one, Asuras was my Military Powerhouse that also works as my Mobile Fortress.
And if the system lord's gave up Baals' territory then Earth captures half of the galaxy by just negotiating. Can you imagine suddenly inheriting millions of habitabie planets across thousands of light years overnight?
Because the show gave us that already. The Goa'uld evoled as a aquatic species being both predators and prey at once. In the wild they filled a niche similar to a predatory fish and a eel. Later they learned how to take hosts and this eventually led to them taking the native bipedal reptile species as hosts then finding the stargate through them.
wait what...is this an episode of Atlantis? I only remember the blonde Wier being on SG1. I thought Higginson was introduced as Wier in the Atlantis Pilot. i get the feeling i am wrong lol
Blonde Weir showed up in “Lost City” only. This is the SG1 season 8 premiere “New Order” which takes place just before the Atlantis pilot in the Stargate timeline.
Weir blunders when she offers to kill Baal in exchange for his territory. Gauld could easily take Baal's former territory from humans after he is dead.
If they did another stargate, they need to continue the story line and set it in the 2030s after full disclosure and show a advancing Earth taking on new enemies and galaxies. Maybe an alliance with the Furlings story arc and the Nox involved in a consultant level.
asgards had a treaty with goauld.i remember they could not give planets covered in the treaty, earth included any technology. so how can they give us hyperdrives
Weir's plan here : Lets roast some pseudo gods of acient times over small flame, if it goes worse we can alway's call Dylan Hunt to get his XO and later Weapon Officer in line anyway or the Japanese Prime minister to put Lord Yuu into place.
With full government backing, building a fleet of spaceships shouldn't have been that much of an issue. The government can waste trillions of dollars when it wants to. lol
Its not as impresskve as it sounds. Much of those triilions would go to pork barrell spending, over priced products (eg. $600 dollar hammers), kick backs, and 2020 Election recounts,.
Was Baal's territory significant in some way? Like was it larger or had more resources than the other System Lords? Is that why they were so reluctant to cede his territory to SG-1 or is this only down to Dr. Weir's clever bargaining tactics?
Baal had the largest territory at this point in the story. So yeah, if humanity would gain control if it, the System Lords would have traded one problem, for another. They were hoping for naivite on behalf of Earth to be blackmailed into doing thier dirty work for them.
@@KeithDCanada The SGC wouldn't have been able to hold onto all of it. The Asgard were busy, and the Goa'uld were effectively calling their bluff. Perhaps they could have held onto a few worlds, and built enough ships to consolidate what they kept. Then again Earth was a pain in their ass with just one world so if they kept around 5-10 it's probably would have been game over much quicker.
I mean seriously, they lose nothing they already have and exchange an active threat for a lucrative ally. you want to stay in charge or do you want profits you could never dream of?
Big mistake getting rid of Weir. Oh and Jason Mamoa has never given SGA the credit it deserves for putting him on the map, not even him in Baywatch was able to do that! Oh and bring back Adria actress, she was stunning. End of surmon..lol
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Ba'als territories shall be reorganized into the First Tau'ri Empire!
I was hoping a United Federation of Nations.
@@dragoninthewest1 *looks at Tau'ri history*
That is an unlikely outcome.
With weir as empress.
..For a safe and secure society!
I note the interesting choice of wording there:
"First".
Doctor Weir trying to start an interstellar Empire up in here.
She ended up building an intergalactic one instead. Well almost.
Weird since her character was introduced as being against manifest destiny.
Let's get Atlantic up in this Bluff!
Imagine she succeeded and have to tell the President that Earth/Tau'ri are now a System Lord.
no Doctor Weir is not. Remember she is a very capable skilled negotiator. She is feeling out the System Lords probing for weakness or finding out what the System Lords really know. In other words Doctor Weir is bluffing
Goa'ulds: "NO, you can't build your own hyperdrives!"
Weir: "Tau'ri engineers go brrrrr."
LOL
The only reason Earth figured it out was because they reversed engineered Goa'uld technology. Which I think the Goa'uld would have found ironic since they reversed engineered it from Ancients. But unlike the Tau'ri who has the Asgard and Ancient Repositories to help them, the Goa'uld figured it out on their own. A testament to their ingenuity.
Weir: "There's a Tau'ri term for this. 'Ooooooohhhhh!'"
@@ParagonRex Yes but the Goa'uld technology has stagnated for thousands of years. Whereas Earth's technological level leapfrogged them in only about a decade.
@@Raine-Cat Stagnated yes, but leapfrogged nah. The Tau
ri had most of their advances handed to them by either stealing from the Goa'uld, or generous gifts from the Asgard. OR, their plot enhanced ability to have a gene that let them use Ancient tech, as opposed to the Goa'uld who did not have the Gene and had to learn to adapt the Ancient tech the hard way.
Go big or go home, you go Dr Weir
Right lol. Love her big brain moves
Dr. Weir: the pacifist diplomat who led the most powerful military contingent on Earth, waged war in 2 galaxies, and helped Earth become an intergalactic superpower.
And yet somehow was turned into a Replicant ghost because that's how stories organically end in the Stargate universe? The showrunners really didn't know what they were doing with this series.
@@Theomite na sc1 was pretty good atlantis was horse shiz
Everyone else on Earth: We're an intergalactic what now?
As the saying goes, walk softly and carry a big stick.
@@Theomite Wasn't the problem Amanda Tappings Contract in the first place? This led to the decision to let her go so the Character Sam Carter could lead atlantis for one season to fulfill the contract. I think it was because she was pregnant and couldn't fulfill her contract fully before.
But I'm working from memory here so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Of course it was kinda sloppy writing with Dr. Weirs end. But sometimes it seems that writers have to make weird decisions because real life situations made them complicated.
I love how Yu is just chillin. No beef, nothing to say, just chillin.
Actually Lord Yu is suffering from a form of senility. He is so old now the regenerative powers of the sarcophagus no longer work for him. His First Prime and others cover for him so the other System Lords do not attack his domain. So Lord Yu isn't chillin, he just isn't completely there
@@normanlee6609 I know man, we learn that from Lord Yu's first prime. I was being somewhat facetious.
Me?
@@nickdibart ... my explanation is intended for people who are not totally familiar with all the details of SG-1.
@@InvincibleSol ...lol.....good one!!!
Its amazing to see how the attitude of the system Lord's towards tge Tauri changed as the series progressed. In the beginning they viewed the tauri as nothing, later they negotiated with the tauri in desperation!
They probably knew the potential of Mankind, which is exactly why their treaty with the Asgard stipulated not allowing a human world to advance to a point approaching parity with the Goa'uld. For all their stuffiness and narcissism, they were pragmatic about not allowing their "slaves" to match them. The whole act of pretending to be gods is hard to maintain when there are humans who can confront and fight you off.
I loved how Daniel sat there just bitting his tongue to keep from correcting Wier.
He's been through diplomatic talks to know you don't question your leader. Would have made Weir look weak. But we all knew he wanted to say "What are you doing?!"
Reminds me of robb with his mother and lord umber.
The amusing thing is that earlier the entire SGC staff was bewildered when they found out the Asgard Protected planets treaty is just one giant bluff. They were kind of disapointed and pissed, 5 years later they do it themselves. I can just imagine Thor hearing about this and thinking "beeing perceived a galaxy shaping power isn't as easy as it seems, huh. Who would have known?"
The statement that the "Tau'ri already have working hyperdrives" is actually a half truth. Technically yes, but both due to design flaws and the use of Naquadria it is far less than stable. It was flawed enough to strand the Prometheus above another planet with no easy way to return and in this episode it´s still there. Of course we know that the Asgard would eventually help work out the kinks in the Hyperdrive design leading to the BC-304 but at this moment Weir is bluffing just as much as the Asgard were in season 3.
which is impressive they were at that point where they could bluff about something the same way they assgard do lol.
It's the best kind of bluff, since it's _technically_ true.
Actually Prometheus was brought back to earth before this episode after they replaced the naquadria hyperdrive with one from an al’kesh bomber.
@@Khaliljt fine, but they still didn't have any selfproduced reliable hyperdrives.
@@Thatslifebro_ true
Daniel Jackson just there as acting Mood in Command
The Vibe in Command
@@Horesmi
All units be advibed.
Well they didn't call him Daniel "The Mood" Jackson for nothing.
Oh how times have changed. From requiring Asgard protection to being able to negotiate directly with the System Lords as equals and being able to demand territory in return for doing favours 😅😅😅
The perks of being on a former stronghold of the ancients.
Yea yet earth knew nothing of this
lol the sass in Amaterasu when she said "How many can you build" as if one was a challenge.
In all truth, it is amazing how humanity has grown in this show. In the beginning, we couldn't handle 2 mothership. Now Weir can intimidate the System Lords.
But she was bluffing. If they had actually attacked they would’ve been in trouble.
That was part of what made the show so great. The world wasn't static like other shows.
She kinda LOOKS like a man.. :( wow
Although I like her coy.... hehe
@@Mopehome Does have strong, well defined features like her dad. Saw a pic of and instantly saw the father in her. Feminized but recognizable.
You are mistaking what happened. She is doing intelligence gathering, trying to size up the tau'ri space threat and capabilities. Jackson tactfully shut her down by responding with exactly the same thing, asking the size of her fleets.
The answer 'one ship with another on the way' probably would have terminated the meeting right then and there, and resulted in an immediate planetary assault by these system lords. They are currently and incorrectly granting a way higher threat rating than we actually deserve, and that bluff is keeping us safe.
The obvious message being loud and clear to both parties, grand strategic information is classified for a reason, and we aren't morons. Don't ask about our exact capabilities.
What a great show! I am going to watch BB5, SG1, Firefly, and Farscape again, they are still better than anything that is on tv today, IMO.
Just finished my third rewatch of Farscape, SG1 and SGA myself. Never seen BB5 is it good?
@@Nichi-Ji It is very good, I am happy for you, since you get to experience it for the first time. Outstanding actors and one of the best space dramas. 👍
@@Nichi-Ji don't miss BB5, it's fantastic
I could never get in to Firefly. I don't know why, it just felt like it was trying too hard to be witty and funny?
Not a wrong statement
Dr Weir talking like she was a System Lord. Actually, change her voice to make it sound like a Goa'uld and she sounds like them. lol
I wanna see this
th-cam.com/video/sHCyUVfz4Yo/w-d-xo.html hehehe
funny enough, there are times she kind of acts like one in SG:A
@@TomalakGeretkal awesome!!! LOL! Thanks for that! 🤣
@@TomalakGeretkal so you seen the first comment and went and made it a reality. Very Cool.
Now make her sound like a Gou'a'ould after sucking Helium. lol.
Weir sure has Ba'al's.
Oh geez😂
Be Dum Tsss
Elizabeth destroyed them completely! She was like " wanna play rough, then we want everything"
Weir, always a no-bullshit kinda gal... except when she was bullshitting someone.
Unless they call her bluff.
Her Logic is flawless, taking out a system lord means you get to take their system...
That would make a great StarGate Reboot - EARTH in control of a wide Federation, all Goa'uld liberated worlds under Tarran protection.
Negotiations: Ask for the world, but be willing to settle for New Jersey... :)
@@jakeblanton6853 I wouldn't want new jersey.
Thanks to Jack, every time I here a snake say "you can't be serious ". A voice in my head says " I can. I choice not too."
How the Terran Empire began
At least until Captain Kirk comes along...
@@saberiandream316 Fall of the terran empire is spock's fault if he failed with the reforms empire wouldn't fall...by the cardassian-klingon alliance...
Dr weir " you keep what you kill " moment :)
That is the necromonger way
For anyone wondering. This is from Season 8, Episode 1 titled "New Order Part 1" this is actually one of my favorite episodes from SG1 :)
Thank you.
I would hate to play poker against her!
She probably ain't so tough without a team of screenwriters backing up her plot.
@@pwnmeisterage ?
She's an actor. It's her job to bring the attitude/energy to the room, she Can be that tough if she wants to.
I actually liked Yu's First Prime. I wish they'd found a way to bring that actor back after the Jaffa were free and working on setting up their own nation on Dekara. I wonder what happened to him.
Probably killed by Replicator Samantha Carter when she assassinated Lord Yu.
According to some offscreen material he was actually supposed to be a clone of Sun Tzu.
Love the "how obvious can you be?" look he gives Weir when his eyes bug out at implimenting the hyperdrives...
Weir was a great character, she got even better in SGA
Damn, I forgot how brilliant this could be when dealing with inter-species politics. Humanity is weak compared to all the aliens, but it isn't naive. It has powerful friends, is developing powerful technologies and can think for itself - and it knows when even the mighty goa'uld are over a barrel.
Like the lady said, it’s only fair that they get the turf if they do the work
O’Neill: “Yo Thor, few names add to the protected planets treaty”
Thor: “O’Neill, you must mean this in jest, you mean for us to protect an additional 4793 new worlds?”
Weir: “Silence, I will not suffer this insolence”
See I have always wondered how come bluffing works so well then I realized the system lords being power hungry and obsesed with immortality are risk averse.
Yu is my favourite Goa’uld. Morally gray is how I’d describe him; unlike other Goa’uld but not remotely “good” either
Prolly cuz he’s one of the last original system lords. From back when Ra first founded them.
I wouldn't call him morally grey, in the end of the day he murders and enslaves just like the others. I always thought his demeanor towards earth was a good strategy. As was mentioned in the series, his interests lay in other parts of the galaxy so he wasn't in a rush to take out earth. He just let us be a pain in the other system lord's butts while he wasn't harmed because he didn't give us reason to attack him and we were obviously too busy to care much about him.
@@limiv5272 again, he was an OG system lord. He learned from Ra running into the Asgard that sometimes it’s best not to stick his nose where it’s gonna get punched. With the Asgard backing earth (at least as far as he knew) he wasn’t willing to push the matter cuz he knew better. For whatever reason the other, newer system lords were always tryna push the boundaries of what they could get away with. Yu never did that, he knew what was allowed and he played within those boundaries.
@@nikik5567 Sure, Yu was there when Ra dealt with the Asgard, but we don't actually know how that affected Yu's judgement if at all, and it has nothing to do with whether or not he's 'morally grey'
@@limiv5272 I think it does. I think he knows how much of a pain in the ass that fight would be a second time, especially without Ra, so he steers clear.
Dr Weir faces the Goa'uld: bitchs youre in my park now!
Dr Weir facing the Wraith: I have the city of Atlantis at my back.... fight me you space vampires!
Dr Weir facing the Pegasus replicators: Shall we Beguin........
This feels like a typical diplomatic meeting in Master of Orion...
Later....
Daniel Jackson: Uh... Doctor Weir... didn't you used to be blonde? And a completely different person?
Dr Weir: There was a mix up with a solar flare and a different universe. It's complicated.
Jackson: But-
Weir: COM-PLI-CATE-ED!!!! _stalks off in a huff, leaving a very puzzled Jackson behind_
"I'm actually a Time Lord. Oops, wrong series".
@Maisie Summers that last line you did for Weir reminded me of a scene from Asterisk War
Women like to change it up now and then.
They should have talked about this scenario when Marty was discussing his movie in the episode 200.
Complicated turns out that blonde Weir was and is really into the Burning Man Festival (in that she helps organise it) and when the producers found out, the stigma attached to it at the time meant they felt it could negatively impact the show and so they passed on picking her up for Atlantis.
Remind me never to get into a poker game with Dr. Weir
weir was a great female character
I would Love to see some fanfiction story where the Goa'uld System lords would agree to some of Wier's bluffing offer since their so desperate since the Rise of the Goa'uld system lord Ba'al.
If I may quote Kinsey talking to Jack in one episode "You learnt to play hardball real fast" that goes for Dr Weir as well. Nice one Dr.
Oh that was effective BATNA delivery.
Exactly right. What are we, assholes?! If we're good enough to fight *like* the Goa'uld, we're good enough to be split into the spoils *like* the Goa'uld :D
Dr. Weir out there playing Universal Sim City and winning 😂
Never play poker with dr weir.
''Take it or leave it" weir being a badass, i love it
Art of the deal
I am so glad they got her instead of the first actress. She just didn't feel right. She didn't have the same gravitas as Torri Higginson.
She is German. Conquer and keep.
Uhhh... nope. She's American in the show, and the last name Weir is of Scottish/English/debatably Norman origin. Not German.
@@christianh4723 i think that was a joke because of the german nature in both ww but i would still agree its more american see: afghanistan
What would Yu know?
@Nathanielle Crawford .... I see what "Yu" did there 😁👏
@@christianthatcher771 ''Every joke. Every pun. Done to death. Seriously.'' - Daniel Jackson _(in this very episode)_
@@Kosinuss In all seriousness, I think that's a big part of what seperated the series from the original book/movie. And given the success of the series overall, maybe people felt like that aspect made the series a bit more relatable and easier to connect to and enjoy. Although, personally, I still prefer the original Stargate movie when all is said and done, hands down.
"Yu" all are rubbing me the wrong way.
Dr Weir being this close of turning Earth and Ba'al territories into the United Federation of Planets
Los Goauld eran fascinantes rivales, la dra Weir quería ser un Gould light...😂😅
"Sir, are you coming with?"
"I'd prefer to sit thank you."
"Why?"
"I am currently camping due to the hot woman next to me"
"Campi... oh."
Not gonna...say it... No... Not gonna say... She had em by the Ba'als!
Aaahhhh amazingly amorously attractive Amaterasu. ALL the Gou'ald hosts were stunners.
If you could pick your own body, would you settle for anything less?
@@SpaceJawaGuess not, however it does beg a question I've written to the creators of SG1 about amonst others of what criteria the semi amphibious Gou'alds would or do have for mammalian simians. If it were reversed, I have no clear idea of exactly which, umm, frog in a pond I would like to inhabit: leg strength, speed, coloration, gender, eyesight, tongue length, etc
@@kurtsnyder4752 Well their first hosts were Unas so pretty much any human is a step up from that.
@@LordTalax Well, didn't really see all that much of their societal structure, though got to give them the edge in sheer strength; but humans have the lead in language, communication and physical dexterity as our hands can perform more fine tuned tasks,
Which is why it made no sense that in the episode where Hathor captures the members of SG-1 and tricks them into thinking they're on Earth in the future, the Tokra woman working undercover with her is a plain Jane - that should have made her stand out right away.
Jackson is a lucky SOB- sitting next to not just one but two extremely hot women! 😁
"How many ships can you build?" Well, just give me time to farm for resources and I can present you with a lot. Me in any RTS.
we want his territories
me :this is not an intergalactic khegar!
EVerytime I watch this episode, this scene, the one question on my mind is.... "How big is Weir's collar?" Like seriously its massive, over her shoulders. Must be a 1990's style that was lost.
She's the best with Atlantis
I love Elizabeth
I could imagine elizabeth telling them that they could always make an alliance with baal instead or even surrender to humiliate them further.
You know...it would be interesting to see what would happen if the System Lords did agree and Earth ends up owning and managing Ba'al's territories and assets.
The locals of those worlds would probably break down into disparate factions and slowly being eaten away by their neighbors. Earth wouldn't have had the time or manpower to oversee that kind of territory and I think the Asgard treaty only protected Earth. Perhaps they could have held it long enough to gain enough resources to build some more ships to consolidate a handful of worlds especially if they were unpopulated or had a small enough population that would welcome their protection.
Dr. Elizabeth Weir is awesome is this scene.
Dr. Weir should have asked for a counter offer....
Nah they were both posturing and both sides knew it ... asking for a counter offer would have looked weak. Like they didn't know what was going on.
After just saying, "If we are going to kill Ba'al for you, why should we ask for anything less?".... turning around and asking for less would have definately been a sign of weakness. If we already had viable hyperdrive tech, like she told the system lords, we wouldn't need them to counter with a lesser offer. She played it correctly.
You do not ask for a counter; that implies weakness
@@derianvandalsen That SHOWS weakness. The player with the best possible hand isn't showing strength, because no one will call, they'll show as much weakness while still staying in the hand as possible to draw as much as possible into the pot.
This would have been the perfect time to make a deal with Yu to take out the remaining system lords together and then divide spoils themselves.😁👍
Amaterasu= yes. snake in the head or not.
Good thing she can go to her inner Machivelli.
If the series was currently at 2021 let's say continuing right now, the computers would be quantum speed, we copied Ba'al's subspace networking to keep the galaxy connected to each other, there would be a galactic trade federation, bureaucrats and politics unfortunately, The Supergate is still operational so it can used to do trade and updates to and from the Ori Galaxy with Toman as the overseer still I'd guess , the Daedalus fleet I'm sure has grown to at least 50 ships, the Pegasus Asgard have some O'Neill Class Warships to keep the peace between the humans and Wraith, we still dont know much about the Atilla Galaxy and why haven't we been to the Andromeda Galaxy yet? I'm sure the Jaffa and the Tau'ri are sharing overseeing The Milky Way learning from each other and exploring more of the ancient planet destinations. Perhaps a couple Aurora Class ships were found? But the Andromeda galaxy has a much deeper threat to keep the show going
You count out the Goa'uld far too quickly, do you seriously think that an advance race that ruled the Milky War for 10s of thousands of years would be beaten that easily. That there are not Goa;uld out there plotting, taking the place of Yu and Ba'al and Aphosis? Building new fleets, creating new weapons?
there is a new session in the making to take place after sg Atlantis
@@ParagonRex Yes. The Goa'uld are totally beaten and destroyed. They lost everything.
My bigger issue is that the Pegasus Asgard are total dicks. I doubt they'd keep any peace because they only care about themselves.
@@blackbot7113 I doubt that, the Asgard in Pegasus will no doubt be a force to be reckoned with now that the Wraith are broken, but the Goa'uld beaten? Not even close. Do you really think that a race who could fight the Asgard to a stand still could be so easily beaten? Underestimate them at your own peril. The Humans, the Ori, the Asgard, the Replicators, all underestimated the Goa'uld and paid the price for their hubris.
"the Pegasus Asgard have some O'Neill Class Warships to keep the peace between the humans and Wraith"
Huh?? The Asgard (Vanir) in the Pegasus galaxy are hopelessly behind in technology compared to the milky way Asgard, they were too busy just surviving and trying to fix their cloning issue to advance much in the time they were there. Not to mention getting ass whooped by the wraith, their only remaining ships have weapons and shields similar to the Gould Hatak... but pretty sure they are smaller over all and their shields are clearly not very effective, they got rekt by a traveler ship which is.... extremely unimpressive. The Vanir would be doing amazingly well to simply have the Atlanteans/Taur'i/Earth Humans load their Daedalus class ships up with as many as they can take and keep making runs back and forth between the two galaxies until they have all been brought back to the Milky Way where we find a safe, pleasant planet for them to rebuild their civilization on with Earth's help of course in terms of man power and materials/resources and military protection in the form of a semi-permanent Daedalus class cruiser in orbit. In time they could become a valuable ally. We could even retrofit their current ships with intergalactic hyperdrives and eventually bring their ships too them so they have something to trade with, protect themselves with etc around their new home.
Is Elizabeth Weir related to Dr. Weir from Event Horizon?
Too bad Dr. Weir became a replicator and was tricked stepping in the Stargate where the exit was the vastness of space
Don't think she was tricked, she knew the stargate led to nowhere but sacrificed herself because the other replicators couldn't be trusted. She says "its ok ill go first" to lure the others in. McKay acknowledges it by saying well we know its her now since she stepped through. That's my take on it anyway.
You were pretty much accurate there but Stargate Atlantis was really a good syfy series it would be nicer if it had more than a decade of seasons in it....
@@orehldmanguz7013 you mean, "Half a decade."
@@rossmurphy8635 They were flash frozen. Can be thawed out and booted up.
@@rossmurphy8635 your right McKAY also said that address was a space gate guess that answers our question about if it was the real weir
The Weirding Way
I think she comported herself very well....
Daniel knows how to play the game.
I've always wondered if Weir made a goof there, saying the Asgard were giving them hyperdrives. Seems like a violation of the protected planets treaty.
Look I like Torri's Weir, but after the recent Dial the Gate interview with Jessica Stein the OG Weir, I can't help but wonder how this scene between the System Lords and even Daniel would played out with the original actress. I'm so curious about it honestly.
Similarly to OG Daniel, Jack, Catharine, and Sharui, the first actor only gets one chance to show their performance in one story. I like what we got in both SG1 and SGA but I still wonder about what could have been.
I wonder what would look like Earth and both Milky Way and Pegasus galaxies now on 2024 on the Stargate Universe? Most probably and seeing how things goes on ours, maybe Earth face several withdraw but still pushing to become a Superpower.
In a Side note, when I was playing Ogame, I wanted to name one my planets Weir but I was farmed and drop that Universe.
At least on another one, Asuras was my Military Powerhouse that also works as my Mobile Fortress.
And if the system lord's gave up Baals' territory then Earth captures half of the galaxy by just negotiating.
Can you imagine suddenly inheriting millions of habitabie planets across thousands of light years overnight?
I would've loved to see Weir's face and her bosses reaction if the System Lords had honestly accepted the deal.
*how is it we've never gotten an **_"origin series"_** about the goauld??*
An anthology would be cool, but SGO won’t do it justice.
Because the show gave us that already. The Goa'uld evoled as a aquatic species being both predators and prey at once. In the wild they filled a niche similar to a predatory fish and a eel. Later they learned how to take hosts and this eventually led to them taking the native bipedal reptile species as hosts then finding the stargate through them.
wait what...is this an episode of Atlantis? I only remember the blonde Wier being on SG1. I thought Higginson was introduced as Wier in the Atlantis Pilot.
i get the feeling i am wrong lol
Blonde Weir showed up in “Lost City” only.
This is the SG1 season 8 premiere “New Order” which takes place just before the Atlantis pilot in the Stargate timeline.
Yeah.. Blonde actress didn't want to continue the weir character for a long time so her agent got this brunnette actress
What's the amaterasu's actors name???
Dsmn she hot.
Dsmn. Victim of the computer key brush sensitivity syndrome.
@@kurtsnyder4752 🤣🤣 indeed
Kira Clavell
Any one know the female system lord name the actor is hot
A quick web search brought up the name "Kira Clavell"...
stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Kira_Clavell
It's true she is gorgeous.👍
She also appeared in the TV series Rogue for a few episodes in all her glory.
I would have taken planets and given them to Lord Yu
I would have made a secret deal with Yu where we double team the remaining system lords and we split it down the middle.😁👍
It really is kinda ridiculous how fast the gourds tumble.
So sad we could not see more of amaterasu
Weir blunders when she offers to kill Baal in exchange for his territory. Gauld could easily take Baal's former territory from humans after he is dead.
If they did another stargate, they need to continue the story line and set it in the 2030s after full disclosure and show a advancing Earth taking on new enemies and galaxies. Maybe an alliance with the Furlings story arc and the Nox involved in a consultant level.
asgards had a treaty with goauld.i remember they could not give planets covered in the treaty, earth included any technology. so how can they give us hyperdrives
The treaty is gone when Anubis attacked earth.
Is that Steve Bacic? Why did they have to do that to his voice.........
to signify it was his alien parasite speaking, not his host. Though the point did end up going moot later in the series, mostly, and regrettably.
@@patrickschulz2193 Ty for that info. I have not watched the series but I will have to start soon!
Yes...and with Ba'als territory, the Tauri shall claim his Jaffa, and become a system lord. Nah, just kidding :)
Lord Weir
Which episode of which season?
Stargate is like if in star trek ww3 never happened and starfleet already destroyed the romulans klingons and the borg in advance
Weir's plan here : Lets roast some pseudo gods of acient times over small flame, if it goes worse we can alway's call Dylan Hunt to get his XO and later Weapon Officer in line anyway or the Japanese Prime minister to put Lord Yuu into place.
Ha someone of culture recognized Gaheris Rhade and his genetic reincarnation Telemachus Rhade.
Wasn't there a blonde Elisabeth were for one episode??? Or is that my own Mandela effect??
Yes, there was. They switched to a new actress.
It's gets on my nerves how Shepard disrespected her in season one of Atlantis.
Those voices.😂
With full government backing, building a fleet of spaceships shouldn't have been that much of an issue. The government can waste trillions of dollars when it wants to. lol
Its not as impresskve as it sounds. Much of those triilions would go to pork barrell spending, over priced products (eg. $600 dollar hammers), kick backs, and 2020 Election recounts,.
@@TangomanX2008 Heh... But even so, when it's serious, governments can perform. During peace time, incentives are dodgy.
@@Leto2ndAtreides Getting them to be serious is the problem though as you well know Leto.
Was Baal's territory significant in some way? Like was it larger or had more resources than the other System Lords? Is that why they were so reluctant to cede his territory to SG-1 or is this only down to Dr. Weir's clever bargaining tactics?
Baal had the largest territory at this point in the story. So yeah, if humanity would gain control if it, the System Lords would have traded one problem, for another. They were hoping for naivite on behalf of Earth to be blackmailed into doing thier dirty work for them.
@@KeithDCanada Very interesting. Thank you very much.
@@KeithDCanada The SGC wouldn't have been able to hold onto all of it. The Asgard were busy, and the Goa'uld were effectively calling their bluff. Perhaps they could have held onto a few worlds, and built enough ships to consolidate what they kept. Then again Earth was a pain in their ass with just one world so if they kept around 5-10 it's probably would have been game over much quicker.
Who was the woman. System war Lord ?
Amaterasu
I mean seriously, they lose nothing they already have and exchange an active threat for a lucrative ally. you want to stay in charge or do you want profits you could never dream of?
Doc Weir wearing the pants in the SGC #HellYeah
Big mistake getting rid of Weir. Oh and Jason Mamoa has never given SGA the credit it deserves for putting him on the map, not even him in Baywatch was able to do that! Oh and bring back Adria actress, she was stunning. End of surmon..lol
Adria's actress was on Firefly before Stargate.
I hate that before Atlantis several actresses played Weir
Only one other I think. Much later, another actress played the replicator version of her.