Rangnick's biggest contribution is his unfiltered criticisms of the club structure and players. He's been here a few months and already the board seem to be finally getting the idea of just how bad things are.
True! And I don't think he would've accepted either role without knowing how big of a task he faced. Sure, he's never been at super rich clubs, but finding good players for smaller fees and turning them into stars USED to be United's MO and Rangnick is capable of that. Yeah, United have splashed at times, but overall it was about finding young, hungry, professional players who were looking to take the next step and I hope the media doesn't pick apart every player he and ETH want to sign, because some of them (if not all) might be goofy or "not big names".
@@StriderDSC exactly, they should be doing what liverpool (and arguably city) do, buy up and coming players that fit the system without breaking the bank, then every once in a while spending a lot on specialist players who they couldn’t get for cheap, like van dijk, allison or ruben dias
You're onto something there. Rangnick obviously isn't a great manager but he is a skilled and fearless critic, and we are in as much need of the latter high up in the hierarchy as we are of the former (which hopefully ten Hag is).
I now think that was the plan all along. Install him as manager and have the players reveal their true selves to him. They'd have thought it was fine, because the guy won't be managing the team for long, but Ralf was taking notes all along and establishing who was worth keeping at the club and who the club would be better off loosing. He was always going to be the future director of football, but being on the training pitch day after day gave him a real sense of the players with integrity.
That’s not quite how the Diaz goal happened - rather than giving it straight to Diaz, Mané played it out to the right, where both Salah and Trent were making a forward run unopposed (because Maguire had stepped up as you say.) Then Salah squared it for Diaz. Otherwise spot on.
Yeah I thought that, thought I was going crazy. Shows just how out of shape Maguire was because both Salah and Trent were on so much space on that right side
Feels to me like he tried to make changes & get them playing like a Top Team, but after a few weeks the players couldn't be arsed and sacked it off, back to normal
I mean, there was a stretch of games at the start of 2022 when we looked pretty good, but Ronaldo and Bruno conspired to miss a boatload pf sitters. And then, they’re the ones who throw up hissy fits about being asked to work hard?
The problem is that there is not structure like the video said. Some of them are divas and need to be shipped out because Jesus how do you not press and be lazy in the PL.
"United look like they're doing stuff but they're not actually doing anything" Spot on. Pogba is a master at it. I call it fake press. Sprint towards an opponent and then give them like 2 meter of space to pass through you. Rashford does it as well. He's now added another layer where he's constantly slowly jogging to where the ball is but not with the intention to win the ball back.
We all call out Pogba for not defending. But we should take a look at how many goals are conceded because Rashford has not tracked back resulting in so many crosses coming in from the left back position. Most of the time our full backs are dragged out of position because out wingers don't track back and our centre backs are caught out having to mark two or more people. Unlike last season Mctomminay and Fred are asked to go forward instead of staying behind and defending. Hence the large number goals conceded. Similarly during attack our attacking players don't run around and find space. Just coasting around for the right ball except for maybe Ronaldo and Cavani.
Its true but this is the players; they've had how many coaches now? We KNOW Pogba isn't going to press and wont track runners (in a red shirt - not a blue one anyway). You can't put him in a role which has any such responsibility.
@@ukie713 this.exactly is spot on,yesterday even against chelsea rashford gave up like a wuss and all the blame landed on telles for allowing Reece james to keep crossing into the box,and telles to doesn’t have a good postional awareness and was sticking to varane a lot almost making it a back 5 with matic dropping back and mctominay running around like an idiot with free real estate just outside the box for chelsea midfielders to score screamers like what even is this team
Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling that Rangnick initially wanted to implement his playing philosophy, by the 4222 played at the start. But with all the leaks, players complaining and not adapting, he went back to the 4231. However, with injuries to Varane, we've been left with the Lindelof/Maguire pairing, which has always been terrible in transition and as a high line. No summer transfers left the team in the "No midfielders" crisis of right now. I wish I had data on me to quote, but to me it feels like Rangnick's win rate is more a symptom of the club's issues more than a cause. I wonder what would have happened if OGS decided to continue playing with his 2021/22 counter attacking system instead of trying to go high pressing...
The problem with that is CR7 who is 37. To counter from deep you need young energetic players who can run at the opposing goal the whole 90 minutes. Ronaldo is like a heavy cannon the rest of the team needs to drag in to the box where he can shoot the leathal goal. Because of this you need to win the ball higher and keep possession higher on the pitch.
It's an absurd abuse of power by the players. Some of them think they want to press under OGS so do so individually and leave massive gaps, then a guy with a pressing philosophy comes in and they realise they'll have to work hard, so they moan and go back to a OGS shape with none of the counter attacking bright points
@@otto_jk when rashford played against Liverpool he couldn't do what you said, rangnick tried to press high with him and the fullbacks placement but rashford as usual gave up. So ronaldo can't be the problem because atleast he tries his best to score and run around unlike these young "energetic" players
It absolutely is the players causing problems, when United actually press, usually the first 10-15 minutes of the half, they look pretty dominating. But they don't have the conditioning nor do they want to, so they just don't bother. I really hope Ten Hag is allowed to completely gut the team, cause its sorely needed.
He won't be allowed to in all honestly, names on shirts and commercial success means more to the board than the manager actually constructing a squad that works. I also doubt he'll be able to pick his coaching staff either given Fletcher's recent undermining of Rangnick.
What has Ragnick done? He's exposed the players and the culture of the club more than any manager before him. He's exposed players who aren't good enough by playing them week in week out. He seems very aware about his role in the rebuild and he's opening the door for ten hag to clear out the club. His value to the club isn't about what's happening on the field as much as it is what's happening off it
@@hegeliandianetik2009 I disagree, he was brought in for 6 months with the view to go upstairs at the end of the season. His 6 months are almost up and now he's started to use the platform he has whilst still a manager to lay the facts out for the fans during his press conferences
@@sameerkashyap1750 mourinho was critical but it was individual players that he targetted and it came across as petty. There's a reason people took Luke Shaw and Pogbas side during that time. But he was right, there are problems with the attitudes of the players and he was the only manager that got us some level of success since SAF
@@howardrobertson2948 Manchester United did not support Mourinho as they were supposed to. I wonder what he [Mourinho] was thinking when he agreed to coach Manchester United. In this same video JJ Bull said there are some things that you can't coach (players making silly errors); when Mourinho called out players for it, the media sided with the players instead of him now see the result.
I’ve never seen such a group of players so entitled, so ego boosted, overpaid, can imagine being a manager for them you would not be allowed to point out any form of criticism without them taking it as an attack on them as a person and subsequently crying.
A huge differential between Solskjaer and Rangnick is Mason Greenwood. He was young, two footed, could play on the right wing or up top and scored goals out of nothing. Unfortunately the evidence so far also indicates he was a monster. Incredibly I think he's still united's third top goalscorer this season despite not playing for a while
People aren’t taking about this enough, thank you for mentioning it. Despite being a horrible human, as the evidence suggests, Mason Greenwood is a generational talent. I’ve never seen someone so naturally gifted on both feet. But also what he did can’t have been easy for his teammates to deal with mentally…
Greenwood would have made no difference. At best he'd have had about as much an effect as Elanga. Greenwood is the most overrated player from uniteds massively overrated academy. The boy had no idea how to pass, couldn't tackle and contrary to what idiots think, he wasn't two footed. He was very clearly left footed hence why he tried the same tired 'cut inside shot' like a rubbish version of Arjen Robben. His attacking was at predictable as a metronome, get over this myth that he was on course to become world class.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere you’re kidding right? Like the comment says below, he literally took pens with his right foot. While I agree with you that other parts of his game lacked a bit, he’s also only 20 years old and already had a deadly finishing ability that most players in the world would dreaming of having. He would’ve had certainly made a difference…getting us into top 4 maybe not. But if anything he was another first team player who could’ve helped with our injury crisis.
Great video. "Ole can't coach!" was always a bit of a myth - the players just stopped listening to him at a certain point, probably after losing the Europa League final, and everyone lost faith in the whole thing. Rangnick is telling them the same stuff, but because he's a German upper-management type, they're listening to him even less. Terrible reflection on the players as people, of course, as professionals, but that's where the club is now.
Not a myth. Ole by his own admission never coached and nor did Phelan. Carrick and McKenna coached and I suppose you have to throw Ramsey in there as well on set plays.
@@bowlingaz I never heard him say that, though he did say he was more hands-off during training. I doubt Pep and Klopp are out there putting down bollards either. I imagine they set everything with their coaches and then oversee, jumping in when they feel they need to. Either way, I wasn't referring to the idea that he was physically coaching them himself but that coaching and tactics were poor under him in general.
@@stephen301281 Yeah, 100%. I don't know about Klopp but Pep has mentioned before that his style is one of a hands-off manager, letting his assistants run most of the regular work.
Rangnick's ideas seemed to come through for the first 30 mind v palace in his first game, but that was pretty much it, there is something seriously rotten in that changing room this season.
@@TheShadowofsparta I agree. The players unfortunately were not fit and disciplined enough for the pressing game. Even Dan James called out United’s training saying it was subpar to Leeds, a mid to bottom table team. I guess complacency and lack of discipline occurred under Ole’s tenure in training and now the current team is paying the price for it in not being able to play actually structured football instead of the sit back and defend tactics Ole used.
@@alexs.818 I did not mind the sit back and defend as long as it won games. Pretty much what Saf's team did against all the top teams. Many games under Ole was vintage United. The counter attack was probably the best around. But I genuinely doubt that modern football rewards any team using that approach.
This was spot on, JJ/Tifo, kudos! Particularly the bit about RR not even having a pre-season under his belt. I would add that he wasn’t even given any new players in Jan to help out with implementing his specific demands and style on the pitch. In short, he basically had his hands tied, but I’m glad that he’s upfront and honest about the goings-on at the club, as opposed to “we go again!” Ole. Ffs.
Question for the next Tifo Show: Is Virgil van Dijk as good as he was before his ACL injury? And does ensnaring Mark Carey in a scattergram help to shed light on this?
I'd say he's still very solid. He routinely wins 1v1 against forwards and his confidence is still spot on. Although, Liverpool's defence as a whole has not been super airtight lately due to their high line and occasional mistimed offside traps. But that's a tactic problem not Van Dijk personally
"He's been told not to, but he does it anyway" - it honestly must be like trying to manage 11 cats with Manchester Utd atm, except without any of the grace and skill that felines possess.
I think Alex made the best point on the podcast that Ralph has always been at clubs who are building on a budget, with players looking to prove themselves to get a better job at a bigger club. Now he’s at the biggest club with the highest paid players who have nothing to prove (in their own head) because they already get paid
Also some players think they are big enough to not put the effort either Rashford (who knows how he is valued by being english and from the youth sistem, so at least he'll get a chance with ETH) or Pogba (who knows big clubs are already making offers to his agent)
@@jepayotyei3231 i think real madrid is a stretch (but media still uses it), but anyway, juve and psg offer better chance at titles and CL progress than man utd at the moment
Great overview. Outside of the tactics, the dressing room is toxic. They are getting paid a ton of money but no one is stepping up to lead. As a Liverpool supporter, we had our tough times but there were still characters and leaders trying their best on the pitch. Rangnick is really in a no win situation as a caretaker. As soon as players think a manager is leaving, they down tools.
How many managers do United have to burn through before people stop blaming them? United's squad was a fading force even in Fergie's final season, Fergie was just good enough to paper of the cracks and succeed with them. Look at any other successful club in football and see they recruit with an identity in mind then brought in players and a manager who suited that style. Man United have just been bringing in "star" players and commercial signings and taking a total stab in the dark with hoping a manager will somehow bring them all together. If they weren't doing this then Pogba would be long gone already and Ronaldo would never have arrived. It doesn't take a football genius to see A 37-year-old Ronaldo wasn't suited to the counter-attacking and fast style that Ole was pushing towards, and certainly not to the pressing style Ragnick was expected to implement. So clearly bringing him back was not a footballing decision.
United hasn't won a single match without Ronaldo this season. Be that under Ole Gunnar or Ragnick. Would you care to explain where this so called fast counter attacking style gone in those matches?
@@ItisAbhisek1220 I'm no expert but I can give my opinion on that. Whether it be pressure from the board or just the pressure in general to try and fit Ronaldo into the system, both managers have tried to cater to playing around him instead of maintaining their own philosophy. Ronaldo is an amazing goalscorer, no one can deny that. He can single handedly win matches because of that, again, hard to argue against it. But he doesn't really provide anything else on the pitch. This works in superior teams like Real Madrid or Juventus in their respective leagues, when you expect to dominate games and just need someone to finish the job. I imagine if he ended up at Manchester City he would have fit perfectly, just because of how they dominate games. Man United lack the quality in areas around him to dominate games in the same manner as the above clubs, and I think the attempts to try and shoehorn him into their system when it isn't a fit OR change the system to suit him have put them in some kind of limbo where you don't really have a clue what they are. Perhaps you and other people will disagree, but I vaguely remember an interview quote with one of Juve's players saying how they are a better TEAM without him. The situation at United in regards to him seems kind of similar.
Ten Hag needs to give Maguire and the rest of the defence a chance to reset and go back to basics. Focus on keeping a solid defensive line that doesn't get dragged out of position, then implement pressing principles once the very basics are right. It feels like Maguire has been told to (or thinks he should) act like an aggressive centre back who initiates a press to cut attacks out at source (e.g., Rüdiger). Get him to be a bit more Thiago Silva first, then build on that foundation.
I don’t completely agree on the chance to reset, leopard can’t change its spots. That is the same for some of these players, I think they may be good in training but seem to lack game temperament.
Blame the players only, how many managers do they have to let down before the blame is placed solely on them. Constantly blaming the managers gives the players excuses.
@@bri1085 well if there's a union jack pattern in your flag you apparently have to take maguires feelings into account on every tactical discussion wether you're an analyst, ex player or journalist and it's honestly bullshit
@@zaneplatt3533 Roy would go on a 2 hour rant about his mother putting too much salt in the soup , the fact remains the British media, every other ex United player like neville and scholes and rio and most sports analysts refuse to criticize maguire and I'm fed up of it
In fairness to Rangnick he's an interim manager who took over in what is probably our lowest moment in modern history and has only been in charge for like 15 PL games. So that win percentage stat is INCREDIBLY harsh on him, especially when it's clear that the players aren't even trying to implement his tactics.
I feel bad for Ralf having to shoulder the burden of this squad. I think it says a lot that barely any United fans or pundits seem to blame him. We all know it's the boys on the pitch.
It’s just a terrible situation for all. I get the feeling that when he first came in he tried to get them to play his way, but they couldn’t keep it up, he had to change systems to get a tune out of them. Statistically, the team should be better, it’s unreal to say but you can’t account for players like Ronaldo and Bruno missing as many chances as they have. And now it just feels like the team have downed tools, and Ralf isn’t the kind of manager who will waste his time inspiring players to work hard when they don’t want to be there and won’t be there next season. Feels like he’s given them a plan, and they’ve decided to abandon it as soon as they got on the pitch. And Maguire... He clearly left something in Greece because he hasn’t been the same player since. Maybe he got Space Jammed and there’s an alien running around with a massive head playing against David Beckham and the Looney Toons.
Maguire is massively overrated from 1 good tournament performance where England had the easiest path, not playing any of the favourites until a semi _(and of course because he's English)_ He has always been average at best. I mean how many "partners for Maguire" do Utd need to go through before they realize the problem. He isn't a ball player, he isn't a stone wall, he isn't overpowering in the air, he's not faster or particularly stronger than any other CB in the league...
@@onetimebear5681 He is also the easy, convenient target for the United abuse when the problem starts with the United forwards not doing their job properly when they don't have the ball. The video showed this clearly. They don't press, the midfield and fullbacks then have to abandon their positions to do the forwards pressing for them, good teams like Liverpool know how to play through this, now McGuire has to cover for the fullbacks and midfielders who are out of position because they were covering for the forwards who did not press properly, and it's a goal. McGuire is an easy target, but if everyone ahead of his is in position, he knows what to do from there. He must, because he did enough to earn an 80 million transfer to Man United. You don't do that by being wank.
Dave Sexton was classed as a decent coach. Won the fa cup with Chelsea (v Leeds) and got QPR to second in the table. Never really worked for him at Utd though.
Make up high expectations when a manager comes in and then act like they're disappointed when it doesn't pan out. Yeah what a surprise a manager can't drill in a specific pressing system in a dysfunctional team halfway into a season. The win rate point is useless because you mostly use it for long term managers to compare them. And used 2 games where united lost vs liverpool to generalize the style. Really? Against liverpool where united deliberately changed the way they played and it failed. Then saying he hasn't done much. Lazy.
@@jorregritter3669 u must be joking. comparing a mnager with a proper tactical pedigree to solskjaer who was a former legend and a novice who rode his luck. Ole has come and gone. Get over it
@@tamunotamuno3564 Its a bit disrespectful. I mean, Ole is no Arrigo Sacchi, but the guy took that crap team to third and second and that's no mean feat.
@@abhirammsd3728 he managed a team that finished 2nd and 3rd. Credit to him. But how many issues at man united were caused by him being in charge and the previous board during his tenure? He is one of the reason why the team are heavily reliant on rahsford and bruno playing well. He didnt make a cohesive team. He made a team that relies on its best players on their best days. Also, compared to rr, he doesnt have a proper tactical pedigree. Its blunt but ole doesnt have much of a tactical pedigree compared to the average standard in the premier league. And did he ride his luck? Yes he did! Do you know how many matches we should have lost last season solely based on overall performance.
He’s blown the lid on the yes men and group think mentality, outed lazy and arrogant players, questioned what people actually do, highlighted that the squad is unbalanced and crap, too many old players, medical department is not good enough, transfers are too obvious with not enough value, the scouting is not good enough, club structure is not geared towards modern football...he’s done more than I could have ever imagined. I will always be great full to him.
It was kinda striking in this (+ Maram's article a week ago) is how uninvolved De Gea is in all of this. Stuck on his line at all times so offers absolutely no sweeping presence if the defense is a little higher, and in no way a passing option at any other time, e.g. for that final example if it had been flipped, the Liverpool defenders would have had no problem going back to Alisson rather than trying to hit a harder ball out wide. De Gea clearly isn't "The Problem" but for all his incredible shot stopping he definitely does also exacerbate some of Manchester United's issues elsewhere.
Ngl, if I was playing in this team and I look at who's infront of me...i wouldn't leave my line either. Knowing at any given moment an error may come, would really not instill the confidence to go forward. Alisson, Ederson know that they have world class players capable of playing from the back and keeping control of the ball...easy for them to keep their calm with their teams. Not saying De Gea is a sweeper keeper, but in this team, I understand why he wouldn't leave his line
@@kylejanse2632 Sure, his lack of confidence in what is going on in front of him is going to encourage him to do what is most natural and safe to him, stay on his line, and if it was working better in front it would be easier to try and get him to come off his line. Like I said he isn't "The Problem" (neither for that matter is any individual player there, who could all be either a starter or a good squad player in a coherently built squad), but it is still interesting to note that his weaknesses are in areas do make some of the weaknesses elsewhere worse or more obvious. He isn't causing Matic and McTominay et al. to sit in the cover shadow and not be decent passing options, but the fact that he isn't remotely an option does make pressing traps on the midfield and CBs easier. Likewise he isn't the cause of Maguire being sucked completely out of position like JJ showed, but the fact that he will be standing pretty much on his line when it happens means that the space is huge and that the weight of the pass can pretty much disregard any chance of him sweeping it up and makes that pass easier to make as you only need to make sure the weight is far enough ahead to outrun the defense, and not have to make sure it is also short enough he won't reach it. It shows the importance of thinking not simply about individual players in isolation, but how they fit in with the other players around them too.
The players were at fault 100%.. they were dead thru out the game.. no running As for Maguire.. this one game.. he was responsible for 3 of the 4 goals conceded.. it's ridiculous that he is the captain and starting every purely based on his price tag..
Those first 3/4 weeks under rangnick was incredible, now United need 10 points from an available 15 to match their worst ever premier League points tally
@@Godsboxer I don't think United have been able to get 10 from 15 at any point this season but against the likes of Chelsea and arsenal I'm sure this is going to be the worst United team in the premier League era
Haha incredible? You're another one that bought all this nonsense about how he's the godfather of German football. It started badly and got worse. There was no incredible period you donut
I wouldn't say they were incredible at all, United were scraping wins and changing system frequently, there's not been a consistent high point all season except the first two/three matches 😅
They weren't lmao, come on, lucky wins. Only games we've actually dominated under him were Watford (0-0) and Middlesbrough (1-1), both against bad opposition.
When Jurgen Klopp lost Van Dyk he struggled (relatively) while the rest of the squad was still his but did not change the way he played. Ralph doesn't have his team and is still playing the football he wants to play so he will struggle and which hopefully will weed out the players that don't fit what he wants to do. I don't want him as manager as I think he'll be a better fit upstairs but that doesn't mean is a terrible coach. Put simply, he will not play his football to suit the players he's got and the players have to either fit the mould of the football the manager wants to play or they go.
This is what I think Rangnick is doing. He's making it obvious to everyone where the issues, so they can be weeded out by the new management team. It's the players, its the recruitment, its the medical staff, its the coaches, and ultimately its the board for creating this culture of mediocrity. He's called out the recruitment, the medical staff, and the players in a professional but obvious way. I'm hoping that his "advisory" role is more like a member of the board which advises on footballing matters, so he can stop the rot at the top too.
Klopp struggled because vvd,gomez,matip,fabinho were all injured and he was forced to play midfielders at defence and it affected thiago's game because he had to keep dropping deep to defend
Klopp doesn't rotate VVD for a reason. His win % is affected when he isn't there. I agree that most of Pool's CB's were out but I'd argue Fabinho is still better 1one1 defender than Magurie plus he's got better recovery pace.
@@lerickdsilva2016 agree with everything you mentioned. What I dont understand is, why was maguire trying to conduct a high line and play the offside knowing that wasnt the game plan. And why is he still starting every game?
Liverpool were top of the league with van Dijk out, the problem started when Gomez and Matip also had their seasons ended by injuries. The Liverpool actually coped well with injuries while players could be played in their actual positions
@@jakehyams8659 This is why Man U have not improved. They hoped for a quick fix and it failed again and again. If they focused on buliding the foundation with players similar to James Milner and Jordan Henderson rather than buying players like Pogba, Ronaldo, Mcguire etc. they would have been in a stronger position. You need hardworking, less talented players as a foundation from which the talent can shine, Man U is all about talent because it is sexier. Man U essentially buy Ferrari's but forget that they need fuel.
I feel like comparing final 3rd pressing last season to this season is an unfair metric; last season United mostly played Cavani who runs a lot off the ball, but this season with the introduction of C. Ronaldo they're not going to be doing so much off the ball pressing up top
Whilst the lack of change Rangnick's been able to implement definitely has a lot to do with players not being bothered, not listening etc...I also wonder how much of it is their awareness that Rangnick is only temporary. They're waiting for another manager (who we now know is Ten Hag) to come in and tell them how to play. I wonder if that psychologically leaves them in a state of limbo at the moment. Combined with the fact I don't really think the players are on board with him as a leader, anyway. United is the kind of squad where it'd take you a while of first winning them round, before anything you say could really sink in.
That just speaks more about how pampered, spilt and unprofessional the United squad is, right? And now the consequence of their behaviour is that despite Arsenal, West Ham and Spurs' botch jobs at getting into the top 4, United have slid even further down the table.
Ralf will go down as a legend according to the fans. Though the results are not showing on the field, as we expected. It is too short of a time for any manager to turn this mess around. Ralf's work off the field is what makes him the legend. Ralf started the revolution, the streets will never forget.
Funnily enough I've revisited this video to see if the analysis bears any resemblance to the current.. and yes it does! Rashford and attackers not doing enough against opposition players to prevent transition. But it's Erik's fault
6:35, with an extra center, on of them should recognized the space and covered it since they have the extra man to do so. That was a tactical miss on Ralf. Pls continue
As much as I like to pick on them Maguire breaking the line and Lindelof trying that pass is indicative that the players are not confident in the Manchester United project and manager
Watching any football game, I always say I feel sorry for managers because there are things in games that they simply cannot control, especially if they had no hand in recruitment. There have been quite a few games under Rangnick where we have made a lot of chances, but have just been so wasteful! Then when you add in defensive mistakes, like in the Liverpool game, there's really not much a manager can do about it.
Ralf upped their workrate in training and matches with formation and pressing changes, and due to frankly pathetic levels of conditioning, they disintegrated with a multitude of injuries. The players complained, the board sided with the players as they always do (since player contracts are inexplicably reported as assets on the Man Utd financial statements), and Ralf had to abandon his plans. Now Carrington is a convalescent ward, the players are caught between two systems, and we're forced to play inadequate players who are completely out of form or waiting out overpriced contracts because our promising talents who have Premier-league level physicality (Garner, Laird, Galbraith, Bernard) are all on loan.
I think after the next big matches (when top 4 hope fades away) he will play the avaiable youngsters (garnacho, mcneil, shoratire, hannibal), i wish he played them much earlier on, and if reporters/journalists ask about it he would replied "at least they try to follow orders"
Let's be honest We could see that United never wanted to play highline but Maguire was so bad that he left that position to go forward aggressively that he left such a big wide space for the 1st goal and other goals to which he was like a wood & last goal too with his absolutely world class passing. 😂
What was he supposed to do Bruno and Rashford have fallen off a cliff, Shaw and AWB aren't nearly as effective as they were last season, he wasn't allowed to bring in anyone or offload anyone, Ronaldo gets no service, Varanes injured half the time, Sancho and De Gea are good but they're not enough on their own, there is no midfield, the players have checked out. No one is fixing this in 6 months, give it to Klopp with Guardiola as his assistant, we still wouldn't finish higher than 4th
For the fourth I think Maguire sees the space but is aware of Robertson's penchant for haring out and trying to close down, the fact the Hannibal is inexperienced as well may have factored in to his trying to give him some space between receiving the ball and Robertson. Whatever, the indecision and pressing of Liverpool unnerved United's defence to the point they were playing like Sunday leaguers at times. The difference between a well drilled side confident in their ability to a side second guessing themselves. Probably why Ronaldos confidence stands out so much.
This is a really helpful video for me. From the outside, all that I've seen is their losing and Ragnick's frustration. It's interesting to see the perspective that it is the players' fault. Interesting. I still think Ragnick is annoying and that it sometimes seems he's too eager to throw players under the bus, but this does help give perspective.
He has given us new standards that’s what. Not the piss poor smiley face ‘we’ll get there but let me keep my job’ stuff Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was on. We have to face our mediocrities NOW.
He just got a head start for ten haag. Anybody who looked at his managerial appointment should see that as an obvious thing he did. He also got to see who adapts to instructions, who trains well and more importantly who has the actual ability to carry out a fluid game plan.
Because Rangnick is a lame duck, nobody is blaming the manager, and instead, people are finally looking at who is the real culprit of United's shitness: the players. There's no one to shield them anymore. And also I blame the fans, and the United pundits on TV: their constant siding with the players it's what created this toxic culture and atmosphere at the club.
@@jakehyams8659 Agree 100%. The only reason to go to Manchester United is to make big money and not to improve your career or win trophies. Mercenary players only with no career ambition, only money grabbers.
I see it like this- Rangnick had the same broken team as Solskjaer, only Rangnick had a lot of injured players additionally. This was never going to go well. It‘s not Rangnicks fault.
He's done fck all except maybe learn what players are worth keeping and which players are worth letting go. He hasn't improved one single player since he took over apart from maybe elanga. The board are bound to be seriously disappointed in him, he was brought into steady the ship and get top 4 and at this rate he'll be lucky to qualify for the europa league. Thank fck he's only temporary
So, why is a team, with an extra defender, pressing? If you’re worried about the ball winning potential of your team, why are you pressing at the halfway line?
Well yeah, pressing doesn't work without the right players who dedicate their heart to it. It requires a certain level of work rate, determination, awareness and selflessness. This tactical analysis also highlights that Maguire is not the one to blame for the goals, but rather the last one in a long chain of events and wrong decisions on the pitch. He's probably even trying to fix the mess that his teammates left him, but that's too little too late (and he also makes a mistake). United seriously need to switch out a big chunk of their squad, just like Klopp and Guardiola did. But ten Haag is apparently already saying he wants to work with the existing squad.
It's hard to change the system substantially when the players who carp about every manager's playing style and have underperformed their talent since Mourinho continue to run the asylum. Moreover, how are things supposed to change with the same players, who are given license by management to havethe same mentality, by managers who put the brand over on-field quality. Honestly, this side was absolutely the wrong people to play Rangnick-ball with. And without the freedom to weed this out, improvement was never going to happen. So what has he done? Called attention to exactly how mismanaged United is. But unless Rangnick or Ten Hag has authority in the summer to clear the deadwood upstairs, the deadwood on the field will remain.
Theres a huge disconnect within this club. Ralf is the type of manager who wants his players to step up and match his style of play rather than he match his style to the players available. He’s the type of manager who expects desire, initiative, and tenacity from his players, which this squad clearly lacks. Incredibly disappointing season, but maybe we need a season without CL and even EL so we can purely focus on a rebuild (tbh winning a trophy like the FA Cup or EFL Cup will mean more than making it to the knockout stage of CL). It’ll mean we probably wont sign the most elite players, but that doesnt seem to matter a whole lot to a manager like ten Hag anyway. Get rid of the deadwood, restructure our recruiting, use next season to start from scratch Every season we usually start off strong and hopeful, then we suffer injuries and drop points in winter, then play catch up the rest of the season. We need to get out of this cycle asap
For years we've been saying these United players largely average. especially Rashford he was so overhyped. If you know football you could see 3 years ago that United would end up in this position.
I was desperate for Rangnick to work out when he joined us but the truth is that over half a season later we haven't seen any of the "philosophy" we expected. No pressing No vertical football No winning the ball back within 10 seconds No taking a shot within 8 seconds of transition I'm not saying he's had time to implement everything he said, but at least some progress. Honestly I don't think there's been any change at all to any the above in 5 months.
How could he when the players took the piss by calling his coach Ted lasso and reports saying they didn't want to train at 5pm. Couldn't get the coaches he wanted and wanted to sign a complaint for 5 million. He also wanted to get rid of lingard and Co but wasn't backed. Then you had greenwood issues and dressing room fractions. It's a toxic club
“It is the players who are causing the problems” Tifo spending hours making tactical analysis saying the whole team is at fault United fans on the Internet: “Everything is Maguire’s fault”
Lindelofs mistake for the 3rd Lpool goal is compounded by the fact that Dalot is actually hugging the touchline and is waiting for a ball to feed in behind Hendo. The straight ball to feet is what defenders are praying for.
Time training a new system is required. Geggenpressing style or high intensity Vertical Tiki Taka of Pep are systems that all along takes LOTS of time to train the team. Klopp took years. While Man City already had a good recruitment system in place and were winning things with previous managers already. Now we hope Man Utd's board would have patience with Erik Ten Hag and give him 3 years at least, regardless of results.
And you see, that bad pass from Lindelof shouldn’t have resulted in a break for Liverpool given we still had a 6 on 4 advantage to defend. Ralf “compact” defense got torn appart.
Imagine putting out a video like this where you've completely mis analysed part of the first goal. Dalot and Pogba are the main ones to blame here but for some reason he's like oh no Maguire and Matic lmao. Doesn't even cover TAA and Salah running behind.
I do wonder why Maguire steps in so much for United. He didn't particularly do it much last season when he played well, and he doesn't play that way for England at all. However I suppose when he plays for England there's actually a midfield in front of him and there's a plan on how to play. A lot of the plays in this clip look like they'd be alleviated with a holding midfielder who has decently smart positioning
@@jackphillips6742 united's last captains were Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young. Spanish clubs have about 5 captains and it is only based on the time they've been at the club (so marcelo is real Madrid captain). This English obsession with captains is boring - giving an armband to Bruno or de gea instead of maguire wouldn't have changed any outcome this game
@@liamthelad I totally disagree. On field leadership is vital to all teams. I think if De Gea were Captain from the start of the season, the defenders would conceed less since at least De Gea would structure a defensive line properly. I see a point that goal dif doesnt matter if the game is still an L. Which it would be. United have urgently needed options in the midfield, so I agree with your other points.
@@jackphillips6742 you think a captains armband is the sole reason de gea hasn't done that already? God forbid a football team has multiple, non designated leaders who can speak up
Ralf has done everything off the pitch and nothing on the pitch, his stubbornness with selecting the players he favours rather than playing players who might actually affect game was his problem and why we didn’t get a top 4
If anyone has worked in an office, someones a new boss comes in, fires everyone 6 months later they leave and the new boss comes in. Rangick has done the dirty work and makes Ten Hags job easier as he wont be hated by cliques in the dressing room for firing people
Interesting now this gave me a new perspective, Maguire as bad as he is sometimes, some of his mistakes are from the fact he wants to cover other players not doing their job, I think this is a downward spiral for him, because he wants to do well and goes into those positions but ends up creating vulnerabilities
Ralf is doing something that can bring us success more than real madrid like hatrick ucl,,much more than that,,,has tu give him full power,,,n ten hag will work with him under him,, their chemistry is insane
Rangnick's biggest contribution is his unfiltered criticisms of the club structure and players. He's been here a few months and already the board seem to be finally getting the idea of just how bad things are.
True! And I don't think he would've accepted either role without knowing how big of a task he faced. Sure, he's never been at super rich clubs, but finding good players for smaller fees and turning them into stars USED to be United's MO and Rangnick is capable of that. Yeah, United have splashed at times, but overall it was about finding young, hungry, professional players who were looking to take the next step and I hope the media doesn't pick apart every player he and ETH want to sign, because some of them (if not all) might be goofy or "not big names".
@@StriderDSC exactly, they should be doing what liverpool (and arguably city) do, buy up and coming players that fit the system without breaking the bank, then every once in a while spending a lot on specialist players who they couldn’t get for cheap, like van dijk, allison or ruben dias
You're onto something there. Rangnick obviously isn't a great manager but he is a skilled and fearless critic, and we are in as much need of the latter high up in the hierarchy as we are of the former (which hopefully ten Hag is).
Imagine if Ole ‘the yes man’ was still about…
I now think that was the plan all along. Install him as manager and have the players reveal their true selves to him. They'd have thought it was fine, because the guy won't be managing the team for long, but Ralf was taking notes all along and establishing who was worth keeping at the club and who the club would be better off loosing. He was always going to be the future director of football, but being on the training pitch day after day gave him a real sense of the players with integrity.
That’s not quite how the Diaz goal happened - rather than giving it straight to Diaz, Mané played it out to the right, where both Salah and Trent were making a forward run unopposed (because Maguire had stepped up as you say.) Then Salah squared it for Diaz. Otherwise spot on.
Yeah I thought that, thought I was going crazy. Shows just how out of shape Maguire was because both Salah and Trent were on so much space on that right side
yeah exactly he missed the failed offside trap united tried on Diaz then Salah was in behind and it was over lol
AWB also playing on the left not the right!
@@joefirth7428 not in the beginning.
@@joefirth7428 Not for the first half. Switched at HT when they went to a back-4
Feels to me like he tried to make changes & get them playing like a Top Team, but after a few weeks the players couldn't be arsed and sacked it off, back to normal
Same💯
Yes problems run deep.. if this had happened during mourinhos time I sink the players will be targeted or directly lambasted by him lol
I mean, there was a stretch of games at the start of 2022 when we looked pretty good, but Ronaldo and Bruno conspired to miss a boatload pf sitters.
And then, they’re the ones who throw up hissy fits about being asked to work hard?
Yeah last couple games United were really bad but before these bad games the only United problem is they cant finish their chances
The problem is that there is not structure like the video said. Some of them are divas and need to be shipped out because Jesus how do you not press and be lazy in the PL.
"United look like they're doing stuff but they're not actually doing anything"
Spot on. Pogba is a master at it. I call it fake press. Sprint towards an opponent and then give them like 2 meter of space to pass through you. Rashford does it as well. He's now added another layer where he's constantly slowly jogging to where the ball is but not with the intention to win the ball back.
We all call out Pogba for not defending. But we should take a look at how many goals are conceded because Rashford has not tracked back resulting in so many crosses coming in from the left back position. Most of the time our full backs are dragged out of position because out wingers don't track back and our centre backs are caught out having to mark two or more people. Unlike last season Mctomminay and Fred are asked to go forward instead of staying behind and defending. Hence the large number goals conceded. Similarly during attack our attacking players don't run around and find space. Just coasting around for the right ball except for maybe Ronaldo and Cavani.
I see this during liverpool game..player not press enough
Its true but this is the players; they've had how many coaches now? We KNOW Pogba isn't going to press and wont track runners (in a red shirt - not a blue one anyway). You can't put him in a role which has any such responsibility.
@@ukie713 this.exactly is spot on,yesterday even against chelsea rashford gave up like a wuss and all the blame landed on telles for allowing Reece james to keep crossing into the box,and telles to doesn’t have a good postional awareness and was sticking to varane a lot almost making it a back 5 with matic dropping back and mctominay running around like an idiot with free real estate just outside the box for chelsea midfielders to score screamers like what even is this team
Maybe it's just me, but I get the feeling that Rangnick initially wanted to implement his playing philosophy, by the 4222 played at the start. But with all the leaks, players complaining and not adapting, he went back to the 4231. However, with injuries to Varane, we've been left with the Lindelof/Maguire pairing, which has always been terrible in transition and as a high line. No summer transfers left the team in the "No midfielders" crisis of right now. I wish I had data on me to quote, but to me it feels like Rangnick's win rate is more a symptom of the club's issues more than a cause. I wonder what would have happened if OGS decided to continue playing with his 2021/22 counter attacking system instead of trying to go high pressing...
The problem with that is CR7 who is 37. To counter from deep you need young energetic players who can run at the opposing goal the whole 90 minutes. Ronaldo is like a heavy cannon the rest of the team needs to drag in to the box where he can shoot the leathal goal. Because of this you need to win the ball higher and keep possession higher on the pitch.
It's an absurd abuse of power by the players. Some of them think they want to press under OGS so do so individually and leave massive gaps, then a guy with a pressing philosophy comes in and they realise they'll have to work hard, so they moan and go back to a OGS shape with none of the counter attacking bright points
@@otto_jk when rashford played against Liverpool he couldn't do what you said, rangnick tried to press high with him and the fullbacks placement but rashford as usual gave up. So ronaldo can't be the problem because atleast he tries his best to score and run around unlike these young "energetic" players
Also the 4-2-2-2 is a silly formation
@@LuisFigo4 Except it is not
It absolutely is the players causing problems, when United actually press, usually the first 10-15 minutes of the half, they look pretty dominating. But they don't have the conditioning nor do they want to, so they just don't bother. I really hope Ten Hag is allowed to completely gut the team, cause its sorely needed.
They press less than under Ole, Ragnick’s a joke
He won't be allowed to in all honestly, names on shirts and commercial success means more to the board than the manager actually constructing a squad that works. I also doubt he'll be able to pick his coaching staff either given Fletcher's recent undermining of Rangnick.
@@miloudbouchefra200 any evidence of that sir?
@@miloudbouchefra200 its not edited, you can see if it is, look at this one😂
@@AnonNomad How has Fletcher undermine Rangnick?
What has Ragnick done? He's exposed the players and the culture of the club more than any manager before him. He's exposed players who aren't good enough by playing them week in week out. He seems very aware about his role in the rebuild and he's opening the door for ten hag to clear out the club. His value to the club isn't about what's happening on the field as much as it is what's happening off it
He was brought in as a coach his main objective is to improve what happens on the pitch
Mourinho did the same
@@hegeliandianetik2009 I disagree, he was brought in for 6 months with the view to go upstairs at the end of the season. His 6 months are almost up and now he's started to use the platform he has whilst still a manager to lay the facts out for the fans during his press conferences
@@sameerkashyap1750 mourinho was critical but it was individual players that he targetted and it came across as petty. There's a reason people took Luke Shaw and Pogbas side during that time. But he was right, there are problems with the attitudes of the players and he was the only manager that got us some level of success since SAF
@@howardrobertson2948 Manchester United did not support Mourinho as they were supposed to. I wonder what he [Mourinho] was thinking when he agreed to coach Manchester United.
In this same video JJ Bull said there are some things that you can't coach (players making silly errors); when Mourinho called out players for it, the media sided with the players instead of him now see the result.
I’ve never seen such a group of players so entitled, so ego boosted, overpaid, can imagine being a manager for them you would not be allowed to point out any form of criticism without them taking it as an attack on them as a person and subsequently crying.
A huge differential between Solskjaer and Rangnick is Mason Greenwood. He was young, two footed, could play on the right wing or up top and scored goals out of nothing. Unfortunately the evidence so far also indicates he was a monster.
Incredibly I think he's still united's third top goalscorer this season despite not playing for a while
People aren’t taking about this enough, thank you for mentioning it. Despite being a horrible human, as the evidence suggests, Mason Greenwood is a generational talent. I’ve never seen someone so naturally gifted on both feet. But also what he did can’t have been easy for his teammates to deal with mentally…
@@tobyhellewell5981 Gifted with both hands as well
Greenwood would have made no difference. At best he'd have had about as much an effect as Elanga. Greenwood is the most overrated player from uniteds massively overrated academy. The boy had no idea how to pass, couldn't tackle and contrary to what idiots think, he wasn't two footed. He was very clearly left footed hence why he tried the same tired 'cut inside shot' like a rubbish version of Arjen Robben. His attacking was at predictable as a metronome, get over this myth that he was on course to become world class.
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere he was definitely two footed even if he preferred his left. He took pens with his right foot
@@WOOOPdoctorFROGhere you’re kidding right? Like the comment says below, he literally took pens with his right foot. While I agree with you that other parts of his game lacked a bit, he’s also only 20 years old and already had a deadly finishing ability that most players in the world would dreaming of having. He would’ve had certainly made a difference…getting us into top 4 maybe not. But if anything he was another first team player who could’ve helped with our injury crisis.
Great video. "Ole can't coach!" was always a bit of a myth - the players just stopped listening to him at a certain point, probably after losing the Europa League final, and everyone lost faith in the whole thing. Rangnick is telling them the same stuff, but because he's a German upper-management type, they're listening to him even less. Terrible reflection on the players as people, of course, as professionals, but that's where the club is now.
Not a myth. Ole by his own admission never coached and nor did Phelan. Carrick and McKenna coached and I suppose you have to throw Ramsey in there as well on set plays.
@@bowlingaz I never heard him say that, though he did say he was more hands-off during training. I doubt Pep and Klopp are out there putting down bollards either. I imagine they set everything with their coaches and then oversee, jumping in when they feel they need to. Either way, I wasn't referring to the idea that he was physically coaching them himself but that coaching and tactics were poor under him in general.
@@stephen301281 Yeah, 100%. I don't know about Klopp but Pep has mentioned before that his style is one of a hands-off manager, letting his assistants run most of the regular work.
Metality of Marketing United's players are too weak
Rangnick's ideas seemed to come through for the first 30 mind v palace in his first game, but that was pretty much it, there is something seriously rotten in that changing room this season.
They were too gassed and he probably scaled back after that realising it was unsustainable, unfortunately
@@TheShadowofsparta I agree. The players unfortunately were not fit and disciplined enough for the pressing game. Even Dan James called out United’s training saying it was subpar to Leeds, a mid to bottom table team. I guess complacency and lack of discipline occurred under Ole’s tenure in training and now the current team is paying the price for it in not being able to play actually structured football instead of the sit back and defend tactics Ole used.
@@alexs.818 I did not mind the sit back and defend as long as it won games. Pretty much what Saf's team did against all the top teams. Many games under Ole was vintage United. The counter attack was probably the best around. But I genuinely doubt that modern football rewards any team using that approach.
This was spot on, JJ/Tifo, kudos!
Particularly the bit about RR not even having a pre-season under his belt. I would add that he wasn’t even given any new players in Jan to help out with implementing his specific demands and style on the pitch. In short, he basically had his hands tied, but I’m glad that he’s upfront and honest about the goings-on at the club, as opposed to “we go again!” Ole. Ffs.
Question for the next Tifo Show: Is Virgil van Dijk as good as he was before his ACL injury? And does ensnaring Mark Carey in a scattergram help to shed light on this?
The man is still unbelievable
I'd say he's still very solid. He routinely wins 1v1 against forwards and his confidence is still spot on. Although, Liverpool's defence as a whole has not been super airtight lately due to their high line and occasional mistimed offside traps. But that's a tactic problem not Van Dijk personally
I think his quality definitely slopes down a bit, but he's still a world class defender by the modern standard.
Maybe, but still if you could have him in your back line would you? Yes you would because he is just a massive presence.
I will forever hate Pickford for that challenge, and I'm not even a LPOOL fan...
"He's been told not to, but he does it anyway" - it honestly must be like trying to manage 11 cats with Manchester Utd atm, except without any of the grace and skill that felines possess.
I think Alex made the best point on the podcast that Ralph has always been at clubs who are building on a budget, with players looking to prove themselves to get a better job at a bigger club. Now he’s at the biggest club with the highest paid players who have nothing to prove (in their own head) because they already get paid
Also some players think they are big enough to not put the effort either Rashford (who knows how he is valued by being english and from the youth sistem, so at least he'll get a chance with ETH) or Pogba (who knows big clubs are already making offers to his agent)
@@notKevinFeige the only **big** club going for Pogba now is PSG or Italian clubs (because Italian clubs play much more slower and defensive).
@@jepayotyei3231 i think real madrid is a stretch (but media still uses it), but anyway, juve and psg offer better chance at titles and CL progress than man utd at the moment
You've summed up this United team and the players perfectly. Looks like they're doing something, but actually they are not.
Great overview. Outside of the tactics, the dressing room is toxic. They are getting paid a ton of money but no one is stepping up to lead. As a Liverpool supporter, we had our tough times but there were still characters and leaders trying their best on the pitch. Rangnick is really in a no win situation as a caretaker. As soon as players think a manager is leaving, they down tools.
How many managers do United have to burn through before people stop blaming them?
United's squad was a fading force even in Fergie's final season, Fergie was just good enough to paper of the cracks and succeed with them.
Look at any other successful club in football and see they recruit with an identity in mind then brought in players and a manager who suited that style. Man United have just been bringing in "star" players and commercial signings and taking a total stab in the dark with hoping a manager will somehow bring them all together.
If they weren't doing this then Pogba would be long gone already and Ronaldo would never have arrived. It doesn't take a football genius to see A 37-year-old Ronaldo wasn't suited to the counter-attacking and fast style that Ole was pushing towards, and certainly not to the pressing style Ragnick was expected to implement. So clearly bringing him back was not a footballing decision.
My dad called Ronaldo's return a "marketing move", basically a way to sell more jerseys. I think he's right in this regard.
@@chanachon56 everyone besides Ronaldo fanboys can see that it is a marketing decision.
United hasn't won a single match without Ronaldo this season. Be that under Ole Gunnar or Ragnick. Would you care to explain where this so called fast counter attacking style gone in those matches?
@@ItisAbhisek1220 I'm no expert but I can give my opinion on that.
Whether it be pressure from the board or just the pressure in general to try and fit Ronaldo into the system, both managers have tried to cater to playing around him instead of maintaining their own philosophy.
Ronaldo is an amazing goalscorer, no one can deny that. He can single handedly win matches because of that, again, hard to argue against it. But he doesn't really provide anything else on the pitch. This works in superior teams like Real Madrid or Juventus in their respective leagues, when you expect to dominate games and just need someone to finish the job. I imagine if he ended up at Manchester City he would have fit perfectly, just because of how they dominate games.
Man United lack the quality in areas around him to dominate games in the same manner as the above clubs, and I think the attempts to try and shoehorn him into their system when it isn't a fit OR change the system to suit him have put them in some kind of limbo where you don't really have a clue what they are.
Perhaps you and other people will disagree, but I vaguely remember an interview quote with one of Juve's players saying how they are a better TEAM without him. The situation at United in regards to him seems kind of similar.
@@chanachon56 I did indeed, son.
Ten Hag needs to give Maguire and the rest of the defence a chance to reset and go back to basics. Focus on keeping a solid defensive line that doesn't get dragged out of position, then implement pressing principles once the very basics are right. It feels like Maguire has been told to (or thinks he should) act like an aggressive centre back who initiates a press to cut attacks out at source (e.g., Rüdiger). Get him to be a bit more Thiago Silva first, then build on that foundation.
I don’t completely agree on the chance to reset, leopard can’t change its spots. That is the same for some of these players, I think they may be good in training but seem to lack game temperament.
Why is it that Maguire should be given a ‘chance’ at this point?
well said mate, never in a hundred years is he a front foot defender - not agile or quick enough
Blame the players only, how many managers do they have to let down before the blame is placed solely on them. Constantly blaming the managers gives the players excuses.
What is up with English people "not wanting to he too harsh" with Maguire??? Did he save the queen's dog or something???
JJ isn't English
@@bri1085 well if there's a union jack pattern in your flag you apparently have to take maguires feelings into account on every tactical discussion wether you're an analyst, ex player or journalist and it's honestly bullshit
@@joelroman7732 Keane has gone in Mcguire hard for a long time
@@zaneplatt3533 Roy would go on a 2 hour rant about his mother putting too much salt in the soup , the fact remains the British media, every other ex United player like neville and scholes and rio and most sports analysts refuse to criticize maguire and I'm fed up of it
Well tbf, he did have a go at Maguire several times.
In fairness to Rangnick he's an interim manager who took over in what is probably our lowest moment in modern history and has only been in charge for like 15 PL games. So that win percentage stat is INCREDIBLY harsh on him, especially when it's clear that the players aren't even trying to implement his tactics.
Not 15 but 21
I feel bad for Ralf having to shoulder the burden of this squad. I think it says a lot that barely any United fans or pundits seem to blame him. We all know it's the boys on the pitch.
Well no. Fans criticize him every day They poke fun at the fact that he was at Lokomotiv Moscow before he came to United.
It’s just a terrible situation for all. I get the feeling that when he first came in he tried to get them to play his way, but they couldn’t keep it up, he had to change systems to get a tune out of them. Statistically, the team should be better, it’s unreal to say but you can’t account for players like Ronaldo and Bruno missing as many chances as they have. And now it just feels like the team have downed tools, and Ralf isn’t the kind of manager who will waste his time inspiring players to work hard when they don’t want to be there and won’t be there next season. Feels like he’s given them a plan, and they’ve decided to abandon it as soon as they got on the pitch.
And Maguire... He clearly left something in Greece because he hasn’t been the same player since. Maybe he got Space Jammed and there’s an alien running around with a massive head playing against David Beckham and the Looney Toons.
Maguire is massively overrated from 1 good tournament performance where England had the easiest path, not playing any of the favourites until a semi _(and of course because he's English)_ He has always been average at best. I mean how many "partners for Maguire" do Utd need to go through before they realize the problem. He isn't a ball player, he isn't a stone wall, he isn't overpowering in the air, he's not faster or particularly stronger than any other CB in the league...
You’ve been watching far too much mark goldbridge mate
@@cherm722 you’re joking right? I don’t watch that clown
@@onetimebear5681 He is also the easy, convenient target for the United abuse when the problem starts with the United forwards not doing their job properly when they don't have the ball. The video showed this clearly. They don't press, the midfield and fullbacks then have to abandon their positions to do the forwards pressing for them, good teams like Liverpool know how to play through this, now McGuire has to cover for the fullbacks and midfielders who are out of position because they were covering for the forwards who did not press properly, and it's a goal. McGuire is an easy target, but if everyone ahead of his is in position, he knows what to do from there. He must, because he did enough to earn an 80 million transfer to Man United. You don't do that by being wank.
Dave Sexton was classed as a decent coach. Won the fa cup with Chelsea (v Leeds) and got QPR to second in the table. Never really worked for him at Utd though.
He's done a cracking job of highlighting how bad the players are
Make up high expectations when a manager comes in and then act like they're disappointed when it doesn't pan out. Yeah what a surprise a manager can't drill in a specific pressing system in a dysfunctional team halfway into a season. The win rate point is useless because you mostly use it for long term managers to compare them. And used 2 games where united lost vs liverpool to generalize the style. Really? Against liverpool where united deliberately changed the way they played and it failed. Then saying he hasn't done much. Lazy.
Only difference between Ragnick and Solskjaer is how detailed their TIFO illustrations are.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
And that Solskjear is a way better manager
@@jorregritter3669 u must be joking. comparing a mnager with a proper tactical pedigree to solskjaer who was a former legend and a novice who rode his luck. Ole has come and gone. Get over it
@@tamunotamuno3564 Its a bit disrespectful. I mean, Ole is no Arrigo Sacchi, but the guy took that crap team to third and second and that's no mean feat.
@@abhirammsd3728 he managed a team that finished 2nd and 3rd. Credit to him. But how many issues at man united were caused by him being in charge and the previous board during his tenure? He is one of the reason why the team are heavily reliant on rahsford and bruno playing well. He didnt make a cohesive team. He made a team that relies on its best players on their best days. Also, compared to rr, he doesnt have a proper tactical pedigree. Its blunt but ole doesnt have much of a tactical pedigree compared to the average standard in the premier league. And did he ride his luck? Yes he did! Do you know how many matches we should have lost last season solely based on overall performance.
"There's nothing Rangnick can do other than tell them to do more, and then they dont do it"
Pain.
He’s blown the lid on the yes men and group think mentality, outed lazy and arrogant players, questioned what people actually do, highlighted that the squad is unbalanced and crap, too many old players, medical department is not good enough, transfers are too obvious with not enough value, the scouting is not good enough, club structure is not geared towards modern football...he’s done more than I could have ever imagined. I will always be great full to him.
as if LVG and Mou never did the same things
rangnick did nothing butt disgrace as united's interim manager
It was kinda striking in this (+ Maram's article a week ago) is how uninvolved De Gea is in all of this. Stuck on his line at all times so offers absolutely no sweeping presence if the defense is a little higher, and in no way a passing option at any other time, e.g. for that final example if it had been flipped, the Liverpool defenders would have had no problem going back to Alisson rather than trying to hit a harder ball out wide.
De Gea clearly isn't "The Problem" but for all his incredible shot stopping he definitely does also exacerbate some of Manchester United's issues elsewhere.
Ngl, if I was playing in this team and I look at who's infront of me...i wouldn't leave my line either. Knowing at any given moment an error may come, would really not instill the confidence to go forward. Alisson, Ederson know that they have world class players capable of playing from the back and keeping control of the ball...easy for them to keep their calm with their teams. Not saying De Gea is a sweeper keeper, but in this team, I understand why he wouldn't leave his line
@@kylejanse2632 Sure, his lack of confidence in what is going on in front of him is going to encourage him to do what is most natural and safe to him, stay on his line, and if it was working better in front it would be easier to try and get him to come off his line. Like I said he isn't "The Problem" (neither for that matter is any individual player there, who could all be either a starter or a good squad player in a coherently built squad), but it is still interesting to note that his weaknesses are in areas do make some of the weaknesses elsewhere worse or more obvious. He isn't causing Matic and McTominay et al. to sit in the cover shadow and not be decent passing options, but the fact that he isn't remotely an option does make pressing traps on the midfield and CBs easier. Likewise he isn't the cause of Maguire being sucked completely out of position like JJ showed, but the fact that he will be standing pretty much on his line when it happens means that the space is huge and that the weight of the pass can pretty much disregard any chance of him sweeping it up and makes that pass easier to make as you only need to make sure the weight is far enough ahead to outrun the defense, and not have to make sure it is also short enough he won't reach it. It shows the importance of thinking not simply about individual players in isolation, but how they fit in with the other players around them too.
We had a compact back line under Mourinho, so that change doesn’t impress, or win leagues
The players were at fault 100%.. they were dead thru out the game.. no running
As for Maguire.. this one game.. he was responsible for 3 of the 4 goals conceded.. it's ridiculous that he is the captain and starting every purely based on his price tag..
I would try 343 With wan bissaka as right CB and Sancho as rwb
Those first 3/4 weeks under rangnick was incredible, now United need 10 points from an available 15 to match their worst ever premier League points tally
We won’t get 10 points
@@Godsboxer I don't think United have been able to get 10 from 15 at any point this season but against the likes of Chelsea and arsenal I'm sure this is going to be the worst United team in the premier League era
Haha incredible? You're another one that bought all this nonsense about how he's the godfather of German football. It started badly and got worse. There was no incredible period you donut
I wouldn't say they were incredible at all, United were scraping wins and changing system frequently, there's not been a consistent high point all season except the first two/three matches 😅
They weren't lmao, come on, lucky wins. Only games we've actually dominated under him were Watford (0-0) and Middlesbrough (1-1), both against bad opposition.
When Jurgen Klopp lost Van Dyk he struggled (relatively) while the rest of the squad was still his but did not change the way he played. Ralph doesn't have his team and is still playing the football he wants to play so he will struggle and which hopefully will weed out the players that don't fit what he wants to do. I don't want him as manager as I think he'll be a better fit upstairs but that doesn't mean is a terrible coach. Put simply, he will not play his football to suit the players he's got and the players have to either fit the mould of the football the manager wants to play or they go.
This is what I think Rangnick is doing. He's making it obvious to everyone where the issues, so they can be weeded out by the new management team. It's the players, its the recruitment, its the medical staff, its the coaches, and ultimately its the board for creating this culture of mediocrity. He's called out the recruitment, the medical staff, and the players in a professional but obvious way. I'm hoping that his "advisory" role is more like a member of the board which advises on footballing matters, so he can stop the rot at the top too.
Klopp struggled because vvd,gomez,matip,fabinho were all injured and he was forced to play midfielders at defence and it affected thiago's game because he had to keep dropping deep to defend
Klopp doesn't rotate VVD for a reason. His win % is affected when he isn't there. I agree that most of Pool's CB's were out but I'd argue Fabinho is still better 1one1 defender than Magurie plus he's got better recovery pace.
@@lerickdsilva2016 agree with everything you mentioned. What I dont understand is, why was maguire trying to conduct a high line and play the offside knowing that wasnt the game plan. And why is he still starting every game?
Liverpool were top of the league with van Dijk out, the problem started when Gomez and Matip also had their seasons ended by injuries. The Liverpool actually coped well with injuries while players could be played in their actual positions
Too much of a focus on blaming managers with Man United, it is the people at the top and the players that are the much larger issue.
@@jakehyams8659 This is why Man U have not improved. They hoped for a quick fix and it failed again and again. If they focused on buliding the foundation with players similar to James Milner and Jordan Henderson rather than buying players like Pogba, Ronaldo, Mcguire etc. they would have been in a stronger position. You need hardworking, less talented players as a foundation from which the talent can shine, Man U is all about talent because it is sexier. Man U essentially buy Ferrari's but forget that they need fuel.
Love the animation at 15:47 where Ten Hag slowly backs away from this mess😂
I feel like comparing final 3rd pressing last season to this season is an unfair metric; last season United mostly played Cavani who runs a lot off the ball, but this season with the introduction of C. Ronaldo they're not going to be doing so much off the ball pressing up top
-He's filled a seat on the bench?
-He's given commentators a hard time not knowing if he's called 'Rang-Nick' or 'Ran-gnick'?
It's pronounced Run Nick with a smooth transitional g between the two.
People act like things are bad because Ralf Ragnick is there, but Ralf Ragnick is there because things are bad.
Whilst the lack of change Rangnick's been able to implement definitely has a lot to do with players not being bothered, not listening etc...I also wonder how much of it is their awareness that Rangnick is only temporary. They're waiting for another manager (who we now know is Ten Hag) to come in and tell them how to play. I wonder if that psychologically leaves them in a state of limbo at the moment. Combined with the fact I don't really think the players are on board with him as a leader, anyway. United is the kind of squad where it'd take you a while of first winning them round, before anything you say could really sink in.
That just speaks more about how pampered, spilt and unprofessional the United squad is, right? And now the consequence of their behaviour is that despite Arsenal, West Ham and Spurs' botch jobs at getting into the top 4, United have slid even further down the table.
Ralf will go down as a legend according to the fans. Though the results are not showing on the field, as we expected. It is too short of a time for any manager to turn this mess around. Ralf's work off the field is what makes him the legend. Ralf started the revolution, the streets will never forget.
legend of failure
Hang on, is that first goal a sausage?
Definite sausage, there was another pass out to the right before a driven ball across goal
Funnily enough I've revisited this video to see if the analysis bears any resemblance to the current.. and yes it does! Rashford and attackers not doing enough against opposition players to prevent transition. But it's Erik's fault
In context of how abysmal the team has been overall, Rangnick has performed incredibly.
6:35, with an extra center, on of them should recognized the space and covered it since they have the extra man to do so. That was a tactical miss on Ralf. Pls continue
As much as I like to pick on them Maguire breaking the line and Lindelof trying that pass is indicative that the players are not confident in the Manchester United project and manager
Watching any football game, I always say I feel sorry for managers because there are things in games that they simply cannot control, especially if they had no hand in recruitment.
There have been quite a few games under Rangnick where we have made a lot of chances, but have just been so wasteful!
Then when you add in defensive mistakes, like in the Liverpool game, there's really not much a manager can do about it.
One answer. Maguire giving opposite team goals
Ralf upped their workrate in training and matches with formation and pressing changes, and due to frankly pathetic levels of conditioning, they disintegrated with a multitude of injuries.
The players complained, the board sided with the players as they always do (since player contracts are inexplicably reported as assets on the Man Utd financial statements), and Ralf had to abandon his plans.
Now Carrington is a convalescent ward, the players are caught between two systems, and we're forced to play inadequate players who are completely out of form or waiting out overpriced contracts because our promising talents who have Premier-league level physicality (Garner, Laird, Galbraith, Bernard) are all on loan.
@@jakehyams8659 Delusional fans are the ones believing in single step solutions, like replacing managers.
I think after the next big matches (when top 4 hope fades away) he will play the avaiable youngsters (garnacho, mcneil, shoratire, hannibal), i wish he played them much earlier on, and if reporters/journalists ask about it he would replied "at least they try to follow orders"
that first goal wasnt how it happened. someone was on the beers when this vid was made....
Let's be honest
We could see that United never wanted to play highline but Maguire was so bad that he left that position to go forward aggressively that he left such a big wide space for the 1st goal and other goals to which he was like a wood & last goal too with his absolutely world class passing. 😂
What was he supposed to do
Bruno and Rashford have fallen off a cliff, Shaw and AWB aren't nearly as effective as they were last season, he wasn't allowed to bring in anyone or offload anyone, Ronaldo gets no service, Varanes injured half the time, Sancho and De Gea are good but they're not enough on their own, there is no midfield, the players have checked out.
No one is fixing this in 6 months, give it to Klopp with Guardiola as his assistant, we still wouldn't finish higher than 4th
For the fourth I think Maguire sees the space but is aware of Robertson's penchant for haring out and trying to close down, the fact the Hannibal is inexperienced as well may have factored in to his trying to give him some space between receiving the ball and Robertson. Whatever, the indecision and pressing of Liverpool unnerved United's defence to the point they were playing like Sunday leaguers at times. The difference between a well drilled side confident in their ability to a side second guessing themselves. Probably why Ronaldos confidence stands out so much.
This is a really helpful video for me. From the outside, all that I've seen is their losing and Ragnick's frustration. It's interesting to see the perspective that it is the players' fault. Interesting. I still think Ragnick is annoying and that it sometimes seems he's too eager to throw players under the bus, but this does help give perspective.
He has given us new standards that’s what. Not the piss poor smiley face ‘we’ll get there but let me keep my job’ stuff Ole Gunnar Solskjaer was on. We have to face our mediocrities NOW.
He just got a head start for ten haag. Anybody who looked at his managerial appointment should see that as an obvious thing he did. He also got to see who adapts to instructions, who trains well and more importantly who has the actual ability to carry out a fluid game plan.
Because Rangnick is a lame duck, nobody is blaming the manager, and instead, people are finally looking at who is the real culprit of United's shitness: the players.
There's no one to shield them anymore. And also I blame the fans, and the United pundits on TV: their constant siding with the players it's what created this toxic culture and atmosphere at the club.
I find they focus too much on McGuire, not enough on their entitled, lazy forwards (and Pogba).
@@jakehyams8659 Agree 100%. The only reason to go to Manchester United is to make big money and not to improve your career or win trophies. Mercenary players only with no career ambition, only money grabbers.
I see it like this- Rangnick had the same broken team as Solskjaer, only Rangnick had a lot of injured players additionally. This was never going to go well. It‘s not Rangnicks fault.
He's done fck all except maybe learn what players are worth keeping and which players are worth letting go. He hasn't improved one single player since he took over apart from maybe elanga. The board are bound to be seriously disappointed in him, he was brought into steady the ship and get top 4 and at this rate he'll be lucky to qualify for the europa league. Thank fck he's only temporary
As a rival fan, I love Harry Maguire. 😊♥️
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So the takeaway is that maguire is a bit too absent-minded to be a leader at the back?
if u go back only 2 years and compare the production quality to now, it's astronomically better! top stuff everyone!
So, why is a team, with an extra defender, pressing? If you’re worried about the ball winning potential of your team, why are you pressing at the halfway line?
I find it hilarious people praise rangnick for “exposing the players” I.e. losing a lot of games and then blaming them
these rangnick fanboys and fangirls are too excited lol
Well yeah, pressing doesn't work without the right players who dedicate their heart to it. It requires a certain level of work rate, determination, awareness and selflessness.
This tactical analysis also highlights that Maguire is not the one to blame for the goals, but rather the last one in a long chain of events and wrong decisions on the pitch.
He's probably even trying to fix the mess that his teammates left him, but that's too little too late (and he also makes a mistake).
United seriously need to switch out a big chunk of their squad, just like Klopp and Guardiola did. But ten Haag is apparently already saying he wants to work with the existing squad.
It's hard to change the system substantially when the players who carp about every manager's playing style and have underperformed their talent since Mourinho continue to run the asylum.
Moreover, how are things supposed to change with the same players, who are given license by management to havethe same mentality, by managers who put the brand over on-field quality. Honestly, this side was absolutely the wrong people to play Rangnick-ball with. And without the freedom to weed this out, improvement was never going to happen.
So what has he done? Called attention to exactly how mismanaged United is. But unless Rangnick or Ten Hag has authority in the summer to clear the deadwood upstairs, the deadwood on the field will remain.
Theres a huge disconnect within this club. Ralf is the type of manager who wants his players to step up and match his style of play rather than he match his style to the players available. He’s the type of manager who expects desire, initiative, and tenacity from his players, which this squad clearly lacks. Incredibly disappointing season, but maybe we need a season without CL and even EL so we can purely focus on a rebuild (tbh winning a trophy like the FA Cup or EFL Cup will mean more than making it to the knockout stage of CL). It’ll mean we probably wont sign the most elite players, but that doesnt seem to matter a whole lot to a manager like ten Hag anyway. Get rid of the deadwood, restructure our recruiting, use next season to start from scratch
Every season we usually start off strong and hopeful, then we suffer injuries and drop points in winter, then play catch up the rest of the season. We need to get out of this cycle asap
As a manutd fan, it's a breath of fresh air to hear u explaining this in an in-depth way. Big ups to u mate!!
The events of the first goal in the 4-0 game was slightly different. Nonetheless, nice video.
For years we've been saying these United players largely average. especially Rashford he was so overhyped. If you know football you could see 3 years ago that United would end up in this position.
Funny enough, the Irish Guy predicted Rashford's downfall about 3 years ago.
Absolutely brilliant video. One of the best in my opinion
Good video, I liked Ralf the second I watched a YT video on him and was looking forward to seeing him and Erik build our club... it was exciting
I was desperate for Rangnick to work out when he joined us but the truth is that over half a season later we haven't seen any of the "philosophy" we expected.
No pressing
No vertical football
No winning the ball back within 10 seconds
No taking a shot within 8 seconds of transition
I'm not saying he's had time to implement everything he said, but at least some progress. Honestly I don't think there's been any change at all to any the above in 5 months.
How could he when the players took the piss by calling his coach Ted lasso and reports saying they didn't want to train at 5pm.
Couldn't get the coaches he wanted and wanted to sign a complaint for 5 million.
He also wanted to get rid of lingard and Co but wasn't backed.
Then you had greenwood issues and dressing room fractions.
It's a toxic club
“It is the players who are causing the problems”
Tifo spending hours making tactical analysis saying the whole team is at fault
United fans on the Internet: “Everything is Maguire’s fault”
after i think the 60´s video i watched by you guys - this is the first time jj acts like a normal guy - pretty happy to see that 😀
2:58 the Half Ole's Half Ralf looks creepy LMAO
15:47 the animation how ETH moves away are quite refreshing hahahaha
Another great video from the Tifo gang. Keep up the great work 👍
Lindelofs mistake for the 3rd Lpool goal is compounded by the fact that Dalot is actually hugging the touchline and is waiting for a ball to feed in behind Hendo. The straight ball to feet is what defenders are praying for.
Could the lack of a holding midfielder be the reason why Maguire step up and leave his position so often?
Nah ngl he’s just shite, when it’s Varane or lindelof, we concede in different ways
Time training a new system is required.
Geggenpressing style or high intensity Vertical Tiki Taka of Pep are systems that all along takes LOTS of time to train the team.
Klopp took years. While Man City already had a good recruitment system in place and were winning things with previous managers already.
Now we hope Man Utd's board would have patience with Erik Ten Hag and give him 3 years at least, regardless of results.
And you see, that bad pass from Lindelof shouldn’t have resulted in a break for Liverpool given we still had a 6 on 4 advantage to defend. Ralf “compact” defense got torn appart.
Imagine putting out a video like this where you've completely mis analysed part of the first goal. Dalot and Pogba are the main ones to blame here but for some reason he's like oh no Maguire and Matic lmao. Doesn't even cover TAA and Salah running behind.
"Elanga comes off, Hannibal comes on, he runs around kicking people...
It's actually quite fun" 👍👍 ;D
We concede less compared to when? We came 2nd in the league last year
6:45 "Woof!"
Same here, JJ. 🤦🏽♂️
I do wonder why Maguire steps in so much for United. He didn't particularly do it much last season when he played well, and he doesn't play that way for England at all. However I suppose when he plays for England there's actually a midfield in front of him and there's a plan on how to play. A lot of the plays in this clip look like they'd be alleviated with a holding midfielder who has decently smart positioning
Maguire's biggest failure is not being a worthy captain.
@@jackphillips6742 united's last captains were Antonio Valencia and Ashley Young. Spanish clubs have about 5 captains and it is only based on the time they've been at the club (so marcelo is real Madrid captain).
This English obsession with captains is boring - giving an armband to Bruno or de gea instead of maguire wouldn't have changed any outcome this game
@@liamthelad I totally disagree. On field leadership is vital to all teams.
I think if De Gea were Captain from the start of the season, the defenders would conceed less since at least De Gea would structure a defensive line properly. I see a point that goal dif doesnt matter if the game is still an L. Which it would be.
United have urgently needed options in the midfield, so I agree with your other points.
I'm also not English or in the U.K.
@@jackphillips6742 you think a captains armband is the sole reason de gea hasn't done that already? God forbid a football team has multiple, non designated leaders who can speak up
You guys are amazing !
"Solskjnick isn't real, he can't hurt you!"
2:56 :
Ralf has done everything off the pitch and nothing on the pitch, his stubbornness with selecting the players he favours rather than playing players who might actually affect game was his problem and why we didn’t get a top 4
Mane paased to Salah and Salah played out to Diaz. The first goal explaination is incorrect.
If anyone has worked in an office, someones a new boss comes in, fires everyone 6 months later they leave and the new boss comes in. Rangick has done the dirty work and makes Ten Hags job easier as he wont be hated by cliques in the dressing room for firing people
Would love a video titled “What have Harry Maguire and Aaron Wan-Bissaka done at Manchester United” next
The Godfather of Gegenpressing but his team cant press as a unit..
Part of Goal 1 is missing here !
Superb insight JJ. Bravo, my good man, bravo. Carry on.
thats not how the 1st goal was score, mane played a through pass to salah , who teed diaz for the goal
Interesting now this gave me a new perspective, Maguire as bad as he is sometimes, some of his mistakes are from the fact he wants to cover other players not doing their job, I think this is a downward spiral for him, because he wants to do well and goes into those positions but ends up creating vulnerabilities
he almost splitted pogba's skill in half
Ralf is doing something that can bring us success more than real madrid like hatrick ucl,,much more than that,,,has tu give him full power,,,n ten hag will work with him under him,, their chemistry is insane