As someone who works with Dante and system engineering every day, I was stoked to see how you implemented it. But you only scratched the surface of what Dante can do. DVS, DDM, connecting all sorts of processors, Dante video, and more. From small gigs to massive tours and broadcast setups, Dante networking is everywhere.
I hope you don't mind me asking. Could someone in their 30s get into the trade? Does it require lots of uni/college education? I have always been interested in audio engineering (concerts, venues, small bands etc) and system engineering like this but don't really know where to start.
Dante is awesome and great to see Linus and team using it. During my AV tech days, I installed a lot of these systems. Eventually received my level 3 cert for Dante, then was moved up to control system programmer. So frickin' easy to program and route audio. Dante should be the standard for any system.
As a Q-Sys programmer and AV design engineer, this is the video I have been waiting for since it was promised. Great job Dan!! I would suggest doing 'signal names' to clean up your design. No more wires all over your screen. Much cleaner look.
Our integrator just installed a small Q-Sys system in our chapel, and now I'm doing all the trainings so I can make program changes myself in the future. The more I learn about it the more impressed I am. I knew Dante was amazing, but combined with Q-Sys it's wild what all you can do.
This is one of those sneaky videos where most people might not care, but for those of us who have had to deal with similar setups, this is AMAZING. If I could've had something this flexible and seamless about 5 years ago, I wouldn't have had to drive to my work on days off almost every weekend. 10/10 job from Dan if this all works as well as presented!
@sphbecker I work in a different industry now, thankfully, so the timeline was more relevant to when I was doing these types of projects and not as much the tech used.
@ I can understanding getting out. My background is in live productions, which at least are a lot of fun, but installed AV is completely thankless but comes with very high expectations.
I was working at a Themepark in 2018 as an Eventtechnician and they had DANTE rolled out across the whole park. You could theoreticaly take the Audio from a show and run it on nearly every other speaker in the park.
you can really feel Dan holding back his excitement at 15:09. truly tons of complexity behind the scenes to create such simplicity for the end-user. literally plug this into ANY port and you can speak to the PA system.
As someone who works with Dante and Q-Sys systems literally daily, I’m glad to see you went with the implementation you did. Dante is by far the most powerful audio networking solution on the market currently, I use it for everything from broadcasts to large festival systems. Two things I should say. Running antenna lines and mounting a pair in proper places will pay off. You may have great coverage now with the receiver tucked away, but RF can be messy and the last thing you want is dropouts. Also, I’ve got a history of Q-sys systems failing on me, so if redundancy is the name of the game when it comes to working with their equipment. It may work fine for years, but walking in on a completely down system is not fun. Also put them on a UPS, as they’re unusually susceptible to voltage spikes. Subs are also nice 🤣 and a few boxes of line array at one end of the room flown would absolutely MAKE a party
Thats the beauty of it - they could have some active subs and just plug a network cable into the extra switch(es) they're already getting out for Whale LAN, and using an XLR cable they can just connect the subs and it "just works".
I did a small install at my previous church about 5 years ago, and even if the mixer I used only had Dante as an option for stage boxes (rather than a Behringer or A&H proprietary system), I would have used it anyway to avoid the vendor lock-in (so saving money in the long term, you can replace the mixer and just buy a Dante expansion card without replacing the stage boxes as well) and the ability to have devices plugged in to 2 different networks with automatic seamless fail-over if a cable were to fail.
It's both exciting and kind of painful, seeing them go with those dongles flopping out of the rack, having their UCI inside of the QSYS file. It certainly has the signature LTT jank.
@ConnorBlackwood absolutely, I expected to cringe way harder though. I've seen worse inheriting a Q-Sys file from a previous integrator or end user. For a first attempt, I'm reasonably impressed!
@@Telecraster Thanks! It was super fun and obviously this is an incredibly early first test. Spent about a day on the setup hah. UCI will eventually be moved to something that can be on a tablet for the staff to use day to day. I thought more people would cringe tbh. Once WHALE lan approaches I'll do another full pass, tidy up the programming, and button up the interfaces. The jank is fun but this is a production system and needs to be treated as such. Was my first experience with Q-Sys and I'm loving it. Extremely easy to set up and deploy. Like, a few hours for a perfectly functional system, if not jank under the hood.
8:25 The smile on Linus's face when he hears about the elaborate scheme with all of the zones. You can tell the badminton court is his dream, just from that smile alone 😁
Glad to see Linus discovering Dante. Dante is the backbone of our audio infrastructure at the venue that I manage. We've got 3 different buildings all connected on our network and are able to effortlessly pipe audio to anywhere in the building with just a few clicks of a button.
As a network administrator, that RGB switching is sick. In a business setting, I've always had use color coded cables to define different vlans/networks and important uplinks, etc.. in an RGB switch you could just light up the colors based on the vlan and use all the same cables. Amazing.
@@richardwoods7593 Where did you get that info? I only know Linus "adressed" personal changes the last WAN show but how do you know they got fired, and not quit themselves? How do you even know how many are gone?
This is what makes LTT. This type of relatable content really hits home. I too ran into these problems with a PA system in my where house but not anymore. Thanks LTT
I setup my entire church w/ Dante across two venues, the broadcast suite, multi purpose rooms, and common areas. Anything can go anywhere. On special weekends we’ll split the band up between the two venues and do a combined service. We show the musicians from the other venue on the LED wall on the back of the stage. Everyone loves it. We did setup completely separate infrastructure for it, though. We’re moving almost 128 channels at 96 kHz in both directions. Even the speakers have redundant Dante links to redundant Cisco switches. It was a lot of fun to deploy.
@ Yes, actual professional audio equipment is very expensive. Leading up to that project I spent over a year working on audio predictions for the PA and making sure we bought what we needed to support our vision and nothing more. We didn’t just buy the most expensive thing. In every aspect of the remodel/AVL update we bought the equipment that had the best track record for reliability and quality so we wouldn’t have to replace it in five years, thus saving money. Sure, we could have bought something like a Behringer console that would have been a lot cheaper than the Digico consoles we have, but it’s always going to cost more in the long run. Dante was always going to be a part of the infrastructure because without it, it would cost several times as much to tie all the different parts of our facilities together. Being a good steward of the funds entrusted to us is one of our highest priorities. Going cheap costs more in the long run. But, more importantly, bad audio is distracting. And, in church, the most important thing is the message and creating an atmosphere that people can worship freely in. And, that is accomplished with good AVL. Also, we purchased this equipment once and it will last us well over a decade. By comparison we spend many times more money on outreach and our community because that happens every single week. I just hope you can understand that spending money to make sure our message is understood IS something really important. I wish we could just spend $40K and have an awesome experience, but that’s just not possible given the space we’re in. Let me know if you have any questions about anything I’ve said here. I appreciate and share your passion for wanting funds to go where they’re most needed. But, maybe things aren’t at black and white as you think they are. I know I’m guilty of thinking people should be doing things a certain way without fully understanding the whole picture at times.
I am a music teacher at a school in the US that uses Dante to manage the audio in our Auditorium/Gym/Rehearsal Spaces, etc. I had to watch a TON of TH-cam videos about Dante to learn how to configure multitrack recording off our Auditorium Sound Board and to configure/adjust routing and volume levels in the hallways and other spaces where sound was being routed that we didn't need/want most of the time. It took forever, but it truly is amazing what you can do with it. With all of my on-the-job training and experience, I'm wondering if I would make more money doing live sound instead of teaching music... lol
Many even cheapest mixers have had this since the 80s. Usually a lot more nervous though and misic blows up again after a second. Seldomly configurable.
Man, I didn’t ever work in whole-building audio myself, but I’ve worked with a boatload of people who did, and $20k for equipment and probably $50-100k for the infrastructure team’s time (for both present work and likely future work w. Reconfigures), that is like less than half of what those guys were telling me it cost to do this kind of work. Good on ya guys for showing us this.
As someone who works in the AV industry, I have to applaud you guys for going with Dante. That was my first thought when you were talking about your options. The amazing thing is, if you get an AV company to come to your LAN event, it shouldn't be hard for them to plug in and do whatever they need. The other thing I would love to mention is, you can get a networking company to program your switches for Dante, etc. That's what we do if we need to run Dante, Internet, Artnet and multiple other protocols across multiple buildings, we hire a company who rents us CISCO switches programmed so we only need to run 1 Ethernet cable in between buildings.
As an audio pro myself, Dante Networking is my favorite part of the gig. It’s intuitive expandable and just voodoo at times. I’ve used it in large productions + studio environments and it just amazes me how much better it made the audio world.
As a hardcore Dante enthusiast and audio engineer, Audinate has quite literally changed the game for Pro Audio and commercial installs. My life is 100x easier because of Dante :D
I am the Q-Sys/Dante administrator at a school in Florida. I didn't do the install, but love the feature of how these two AV solutions can be used in a non-education/performance space!
As an AV Integrator I would like to note that not all 70v systems are created equal and the crappy ones give them all a bad rap. 70v systems are great, the fidelity issues mostly affect the lower frequencies. If extra low end is needed add a subwoofer with a crossover on the system.
At this point linus should also start consulting services & ask less for the privilege of making a public case study(ltt videos). All major firms keep such case studies for learning & review, why not let the client save a buck if he doesn't mind being on yt.
@@kushagraN You'd be shocked how many places are super paranoid about what they do getting out into the public. I work on supply chain consulting, and asking if we can take pictures onsite makes out contacts start sweating heavily heavily 70% of the time, and takes 2 weeks to get an answer. Everyone thinks that they've built the golden goose, without realizing that everyone does that process the exact same way.
When i was doing my audio tech degree, we were one if the first places to get Dante (no joke they came out to install it) and its amazing to see how far they've come!! we were using it to record concerts off site (via college internet) as well as having a single cable for different room audio transfers. Awesome to see the growth and adaptation of a brilliant standard/ team
Dan's current role at LMG (besides producing WAN) seems to be solving other people's "I need something that does *this*" requests in the jankiest way possible.
We need more Dan content, he reminds me of my school's district I.T specialist, I helped him too since our school had a system that you could work with school staff as academic work
This was an extremely helpful and entertaining video. I am a volunteer at my church and these videos about the new badminton facility have been game changers. I don’t think people realize the sheer amount of man hours to do the research on the compatibility of all different types of components. These type of videos have a huge impact on smaller organizations and I’m really appreciative of it. Please keep these type of videos coming.
The company I work for moved into a space with Qsys deployed for conference rooms, white noise generations, and office audio/PA. That was a fun 6 months rushing classes and learning how to configure it lol. All in all I liked Qsys a lot. Lots of options on configuration and the basic certification is free to take and teaches you a lot.
As an audio engineer myself, I love Dante. I use it on every show and tour that I go on. I love the fact that it is a one time purchase and you keep the software (DVS). It is the greatest thing created for us audio folks who work on the big productions because all I have to do is run a single cat6 to and from the console all the way hundreds of feet to my stage box where all my inputs and outputs are. It is really cool to see you guys using it in your system, it really shows how versatile Dante is
Hearing the name Dante fills me with first-semester dread. I had to configure something with it and it confused the heck out of me. Shoutout to anyone who works with it on a regular basis
It does have its moments of hair pulling. Though typically all the issues come down to network problems. It's really good to see large manufacturers implementing preset Network configurations for common AV protocols.
I work at a pretty natioanlly big AV integrator putting together systems like this one all the time, I absolutely love seeing dan dive into the things I work with, but you guys barely scratched the surface, between PTZ operation and routing inside of qsys, building conrol, audio routing, theres so much cool stuff in AVoIP. I hope you guys continue to cover it.
Creation warehouse will eventually build everything because nothing is "good enough" for Linus. Eventually they will break off to their own company and build stuff internationally lol
Mad props to Dan and the whole teeam. PA systems are really hard to do right. Buddy of mine shown me how they set up tune and calibrate ona a mixed indoor and outdoor setup. The complexity is mindboggling. But the difference when done right Vs just using high end stuff and just plug it in is incredible. Hell the active compensation based on noise level and spectrum for outdoor stuff is amazing. One thing he does push for is open API solutions to prevent vendor lock in.
the in house venue I work at was built on the ground up with Dante connectivity in mind. multiple meeting rooms with Dante as its backbone, Q-Sys for I/O, and Crestron for UI. our main hall has everything connected to Dante which can be routed to and from anywhere, with 36 boxes worth of line arrays, over 500 channels, and 20 wireless microphones that can be used just about anywhere within our venue. in total we have approximately 250 speakers, approximately 700 channels, 140+ stereo inputs, 30+ UI surfaces, and Companion has been a huge help with daily automations and routing presets. Dante can be very finicky as Dan mentioned. It is for the most part very stable if the network isn't saturated with "garbage" data. Just because you have 10Gbe speeds, doesn't mean it'll be stable.
@@williewonka1500 Actually Dante isn’t finicky when you properly design your network, it’s actually rock stable. You only need to know how to properly manage data, and in Dante Clocking is EVERYTHING. You don’t have clocking stable in the network, it’s done, nothing will work. It doesn’t need some fancy network switch can absolutely make Dante work flawlessly with a 25$ managed network switch. If you properly manage QoS and Multicast it will work every time .
Why Q-Sys as a controller and Crestron for UI? Genuinely asking. Is it so the users see Crestron panels to which they are more acustomed than some "what is this new unrecognisable brand" Q-Sys?
@@TheRoniSta unfortunately I'm not sure what the real reason behind the pick is as it was a third party installer that was awarded that side of the contract. Alot of it is definitely because Crestron surfaces are more "oh wow, name brand", but then again the installer has close ties to Crestron and has let slip they have steep discounts with them. Our infrastructure also uses Crestron's NVX system to push video all over the place, making it easier and robust for an end user to push couple of buttons on a Crestron panel for a Crestron system. our auxiliary rooms are Crestron touch panels controlling routing of Crestron video streams and Qsys audio streams. Dante is just the audio protocol that's universally used throughout the building where it's super easy to provide massive 192/192 patched. Q-Sys IO boxes was deemed more stable than the AVIO's that Dan showed in this video as they also report heartbeats, and multiple different diagnostic data.
@@ksaugrin Dante is not finicky, until it is. unfortunately with alot of system integrators, they don't understand the clocking part of Dante. which was the headache I went through with our SI where they only looked at the 1GBe link speed but not latency. Due to a certain budget constraint, there was a switch with a 10gig fiber link carrying 4 different VLANs over 3 different subnets. in theory it's fine, until packets aren't prioritised. we also have a STAR network where 9 different switches daisy off each other into 4 links to our core switch. as mentioned and agreed, Dante is usually painless, but with a massive installation that I currently oversee and run, it can be incredibly infuriating at times.
@@williewonka1500 Oh now I understand so Q-Sys is only for audio management not for control and/or video distribution. Makes sense now - Crestron never had any really good audio products. Thank you.
This video just got friggin hilarious at 5:50. Linus said "network cable" and i was like "ok are they going to be using Audiofire, Cobranet, or Dante. probably Dante." and now were talking about Dante, a system i am WAY more familliar with than i want to be, because my company's clients use it regularly for hotels, casinos, and other big venues. my company is a background music supplier, so im enjoying this whole video quite a bit. lol.
Hey Dan, you’ve probably already thought about this, but I’d recommend replacing the AVIO Bluetooth dongle with a wifi streamer like the Episode Lynk hooked up to an AVIO analog input adapter. Then you can walk the whole building with a phone that’s streaming music.
@@ryanA133at pizza Hut we did it via some old laptop remote desktopd to something on the network that was capable of actually streaming internet radio but did not have an audio jack
Probably would be easier to go into the Dante network from a media playback system for 90% of the music. For the guests that bring in stuff that's when the Wi-Fi streaming/Bluetooth would still be nice to keep implemented.
The big man named DAN! That's why we love dan. "We make things simple by first making them complicated." I understand this completely and wrote a paper about this in college and made peoples brains hurt.
SoundTube POE speakers are some of my favorite equipment to work with. I was a part of an A/V team as a student employee working to replace and setup PA/Speaker systems in a large rec center and they were so easy to run and get connected wherever we needed it. Dante is something we'll keep in mind to share with higher ups in our teams as we continue discussions for solutions and replacement for our existing AVoIP systems
As an enterprise network engineer, a certified studio recording engineer, a tech nerd, and an all-around audio guy... this video checks a whole lot of boxes!
After being burned by the death of firewire and having thousands of dollars in otherwise perfectly functional audio gear rendered useless... I built my current recording studio around Dante in 2015 with the intention of it being "future proof". Happy to say that nearly 10 years later it's still working great. Big fan of Dante.
firewire was is nice and it is still usable it's just that certain companies (cough personas) refused to update drivers. It's almost like they want to sell you a brand new product? But yet didn't want to upgrade their drivers to be certified and signed.
As an audio engineer, who works on TV trucks and in live production, Dante is fantastic! The Dante tax is real, but Audinate manufacturers and supports the IO cards in Dante products, which is crucial in high stakes live events. Dante I/O boxes are widely used for Call of Duty® championships and other live gaming tournaments. It will even take 64 channels of Audio direct to and from a PC Ethernet port if you are running Dante Virtual Sound card.
Dan is the man! This was great, loved the enthusiasm from Dan and Linus. Would love to see a deep dive into Q-SYS and the UniFi VLAN configuration and hear about the future plans for tablet-based control, etc. Ideally on this channel, but even on Techlinked or Floatplane.
it is so cool to see this technology being deployed and used in this way, I work in the AV Industry in Aus and often deploy Q-SYS and other brands that are capable of this. and as Dan said you need complex to make it simple. It is great to see a crossover of my worlds like this! go team this venue looks and now sounds awesome!
The company I work for is getting ready to install a mercury PA system in my site and this video is perfect for me to understand how this works. Cant wait for our to get installed now.
Love to see all the live sound people sounding off in the comments. I know entertainment tech isn't really the LTT style but it looks like there's some interest in at least installed techy sound equipment. I have a feeling there were some very helpful comments from the last video about Dante and Qsys to nudge them that way. Good job everyone
That audio set up is actually pretty dang clean! Admittedly my audio experience is limited to the streaming/creator space, i had no idea something like Dante even existed. I can see how invaluable it could be for the right people!
One of the big spaces for Dante audio is that it’s used in most large theme parks (such as Disneyland) to transport audio everywhere on its own dedicated network. Back in the day, distributed audio in a theme park meant having large cages with audio processing cards in them, sending out audio to other parts of the park into amp racks, then doing 70v speakers from those racks. It was complicated, expensive, not super adaptable, and not easily configurable. Dante is muuuuuch better.
This is legit. Love DANTE. Managed to get our ISP to interlink two campuses with a Layer 2 link and did a whole production from a control room about 3 miles away
I giggled a little when he said "Fancy" while referring to a Mackie compact mixer... he'd probably spontaneously combust if he sat behind even a small DiGiCo :)
I did the same thing. For small analog mixers it's decent, but even a similar sized digital board would blow Linus's mind with all of the fun things you can do with them. A WiFi connection and some motorized faders make for quite the party trick.
One additional network feature that is handy for this kind of setup is MAC-based VLANs. Cisco and Juniper can do them and you can also do them with many different vendor switches (including some inexpensive ones like Ubiquiti) by using something like the Open Source PacketFence NAC. It allows the network to dynamically reconfigure the port to a specific VLAN when a known device is plugged in.
I was working as a producer when Dante first started being announced. We had just invested heavily in ADAT over optical fiber throughout the whole property, so it was not practical for us to adopt, but I followed its development very closely with a tiny bit of jealous resentment and a lot of FOMO. If it had come to market a couple months prior, we would have saved a ton of money as we already had wired networking and would have only needed one cat 5 run to the stage. The 500ft or so of toslink cables plus the break out boxes in every room, booth, and to the stage outside, plus the Marian PCIe card and the absolute beast PC for the time that was required for it to all run was a significant investment in both terms of money and in terms of time. That and it would randomly drop samples, crack and pop, or just stop working ALL THE FREAKING TIME. I cannot tell you the number of ruined takes, and even a ruined concert recording, all supposedly caused by using “cheap” (still well over $100/ea) cables with plastic cores instead of glass (chosen both for cost and fragility since some runs had bends in them) Long story short, Dante would have been a significantly better investment if it had been out at the time.
Not if his contributions to the WAN show are anything to go by. I've seen bits of LTT with the subtitle set as "Linus is Linus". I think we need one that says "Dan is Dan"
Working in the A/V integration and interactive arts sphere, I can say that Dante is one of the very few proprietary protocol & standard that are worth the money and remains robust in a ton of different scenarios. Great setup!
Man, I wish this video was released a year and a half ago. We had to design a PA system for a school, and although I knew some basic things about Dante, I dismissed it because it's not really used for in-building PA systems, and we went with a Chinese company. It's IP based, the speakers are PoE, but the latency makes it unusable for live application, and the speakers are not entirely in sync either. The bigger problem is that different speaker models have different latency, which in our case (indoor and outdoor speakers) was not that bad. The entire system (main controller, 20 speakers, two announcement stations and a pretty much useless FM radio / CD player) ended up costing something like 8000 euros plus later we needed to add an analog stereo PA to the assembly hall for another grand, plus labor fees. Some parts in the controller software are painful (like Chinese software usually is) but it gets the job done.
Pretty awesome to watch your mind be blown by Dante audio patching for the first time! I use it all the time with work and is truly as amazing as they make it seem
Dante is great - We use this alot e.g in big churches, cruiseliners and more. The optimal way is really seperate it from the "normal" Network - Yes i can work but sometimes it is better to have Dante seperated. There amazing gear out e.g Stagetec Nexus Compact or some nice things from Yamaha :)
We use Q-SYS and Dante at our company to carry music across the buildings. System is amazing network audio is fantastic and now you can do video over Dante as well. Q-Sys has a great touch panel and a free iPad app unlike most other AV systems. You can totally automate it and make it easy for an end. Q-Sys plug-ins allow you to control almost any kind of AV equipment and if you wanna get technical, you can even script custom controls. Great video for broader audience to learn and hopefully implement more so closed ecosystems are gone from AV world.
When and if you properly pack the place, you will likely have reception issues if you take the mic across the room. We are actively having this issue, imperceptible when empty / a little full, but when the room gets full, there's just enough interference that the mic does NOT want to leave it's 20 foot range around the receiver.
@@chillabaua I've never had the luxury to play with anything from Q-SYS (mostly do live audio and lighting). It really looks like something I'd enjoy setting up though. I'm a sucker for flow diagrams lol.
As an avid audio engineer who works in AV engineering and support, this demo of the setup is very cool. I'm very familiar with Q-SYS but I only have very limited experience with Dante so this was incredibly helpful in understanding some of the capabilities and features that Dante with Q-SYS can accommodate. We certainly have come a very long way since the days of analogue audio that required amplifiers and wiring to be run everywhere with phantom power and XLR mixers and everything needing to be adjusted manually typically by a trained technician and repeatedly visited to maintain or make changes or adjustments. These network cloud managed systems are a god send when it comes to end user friendliness.
It so wholesome that Linus does stuff for his community like this. I don't know how much of this is influencer stuff but I can see that at some level, he is quite passionate about helping his community.
gah i love dan. so smart and witty while having this weirdly professional aura where he can say some snarky shit and its all like, "i value your input. thank you"
Would love to have been apart of that. Dante is great, we’re currently running an ever expanding system with 100+ devices, multi subnet routing, remote management, etc
Those Dante Poe cards are nice and you can see that they're designed for tours where you just chuck everything into a case and at the next location just plug it where it's needed
Edit: Before you read this comment please take in consideration I'm still learning and am not a professional in this subject yet, so some info might be wrong on the subject of the way the speakers are places, you should of bought more speakers and put them all in a line array configuration. This would have been more on the expensive side of things but you would have got a more immersed sound. Line arrays give a wider projection of the sound there for you could be standing anywhere and the music would sound somewhat equal volume from any position, in saying that you would also start to go down the route of speaker crossover. lastly you'se should probably check the dB level when the music is on "death mode" because anything above 80 dB or I think 85 dBSPL (its been a while) can cause hearing damage, this could be dangerous in corners of the courts due to the fact that sound builds up in corners. other than those things this isn't a hate comment I would just like to shed light on things I know, really liked this video thanks for reading. 😄
12:38 wrong. UniFi has ALWAYS worked. You just needed to configure the firewall and ports correctly. I have configured UniFi to run WSG, DANTE, QSYS, corporate data, sACN, various VoIP protocols. All simultaneously, all without issue. It’s just a bit easier now.
Firewall has nothing to do with it. Dante and Q-Lan both require specific QOS settings on the switch to ensure that the PTP clocking traffic is handled properly. Up until recently UniFi didn't have a way to configure the QOS settings for a switch. I have experienced this first hand with a small Dante / Q-SYS system (under 10 devices) were the Q-SYS core kept going into processor overrun due to clocking issues. Moved to an Aruba switch with properly configured QOS and all the issues were fixed.
I implemented DANTE for a multiroom audio setup in a house and the network switches there where unifi switches and i never had a problem for the last 5 years. So its nice that they have optimized for it now but even bevor that on its own VLAN it never had problems.
LTT has some of the most amazing people working their and it’s awesome to see them loving their job and having the founder not only be your friend and boss but a true leader and lover of the craft.
I saw the thumbnail and thought Linus installed a PA system in his car.
Me too lol
We all did
I don't understand why that's what they went with.
Freaking temu levels of clickbait
The second half of the title was cut off for me so I didn't know it had anything to do with speakers
This is the kind of content I'd love to see more of. Don't shy away from showing the "this is how we solved our problem" videos. I always live them.
Without a doubt my favorite content. Any infrastructure upgrades, whether home, office, labs or badminton center.
As someone who works with Dante and system engineering every day, I was stoked to see how you implemented it. But you only scratched the surface of what Dante can do. DVS, DDM, connecting all sorts of processors, Dante video, and more. From small gigs to massive tours and broadcast setups, Dante networking is everywhere.
I hope you don't mind me asking. Could someone in their 30s get into the trade? Does it require lots of uni/college education? I have always been interested in audio engineering (concerts, venues, small bands etc) and system engineering like this but don't really know where to start.
Dante is awesome and great to see Linus and team using it. During my AV tech days, I installed a lot of these systems. Eventually received my level 3 cert for Dante, then was moved up to control system programmer. So frickin' easy to program and route audio. Dante should be the standard for any system.
I really want them to do a multi site Dante AV setup, I've done multi site audio with Dante and it's cool as hell
@@MatsueMusicall of the Dante certifications are free, and their parent company has great starter courses for AV/IT
Dan did repeatedly say that it's intentionally simple so non-Dan staff can function without a Dan..
As a Q-Sys programmer and AV design engineer, this is the video I have been waiting for since it was promised. Great job Dan!! I would suggest doing 'signal names' to clean up your design. No more wires all over your screen. Much cleaner look.
I came here to say the same thing! It was great to see this but the mess of wires in the file made me cringe
Our integrator just installed a small Q-Sys system in our chapel, and now I'm doing all the trainings so I can make program changes myself in the future. The more I learn about it the more impressed I am. I knew Dante was amazing, but combined with Q-Sys it's wild what all you can do.
Very nice, Q-Sys was one of our options as we were moving from an old Crestron DMPS300C matrix switcher before. Much love for that ecosystem.
This is one of those sneaky videos where most people might not care, but for those of us who have had to deal with similar setups, this is AMAZING. If I could've had something this flexible and seamless about 5 years ago, I wouldn't have had to drive to my work on days off almost every weekend. 10/10 job from Dan if this all works as well as presented!
I hate to tell you this, but everything shown in this video was definitely possible five years ago… For about the same price even.
@sphbecker I work in a different industry now, thankfully, so the timeline was more relevant to when I was doing these types of projects and not as much the tech used.
@ I can understanding getting out. My background is in live productions, which at least are a lot of fun, but installed AV is completely thankless but comes with very high expectations.
Hahaha I just wrote basically the same comment!
Aye aye on everything you said!
I was working at a Themepark in 2018 as an Eventtechnician and they had DANTE rolled out across the whole park. You could theoreticaly take the Audio from a show and run it on nearly every other speaker in the park.
you can really feel Dan holding back his excitement at 15:09. truly tons of complexity behind the scenes to create such simplicity for the end-user. literally plug this into ANY port and you can speak to the PA system.
As someone who installs these systems, they are freaking amazing if you understand their capabilities.
@@calebpurvis6195 I don't understand, but they're still amazing lol
8:45 this has got to be the best UI design i have ever seen on LTT
When a backend programmer designs the frontend 😂
I'm commenting because I love this too. I want so badly to have something to add to this joke, but you both have pretty much covered everything.
@@trevdawg94 programmer *art*
Comic Sans is only used by pros.
Sometimes you really need a mascott to really bring everything together
As someone who works with Dante and Q-Sys systems literally daily, I’m glad to see you went with the implementation you did. Dante is by far the most powerful audio networking solution on the market currently, I use it for everything from broadcasts to large festival systems.
Two things I should say. Running antenna lines and mounting a pair in proper places will pay off. You may have great coverage now with the receiver tucked away, but RF can be messy and the last thing you want is dropouts.
Also, I’ve got a history of Q-sys systems failing on me, so if redundancy is the name of the game when it comes to working with their equipment. It may work fine for years, but walking in on a completely down system is not fun. Also put them on a UPS, as they’re unusually susceptible to voltage spikes.
Subs are also nice 🤣 and a few boxes of line array at one end of the room flown would absolutely MAKE a party
Thats the beauty of it - they could have some active subs and just plug a network cable into the extra switch(es) they're already getting out for Whale LAN, and using an XLR cable they can just connect the subs and it "just works".
@ agreed, hooking up a “real”/ concert PA to this system would take like 15 minutes
I completely agree about mounting like a paddle antenna somewhere for better RF performance
What is this, Dan in a main channel video, yay! Bread.
Dan is a favorite!
I'm stoked about seeing him here too!
I'm just not sure about ramming though. Bread.
@@Zhyrca Wait...for some reason I knew that it was Dan but my brain hadn't reminded me that It was WAN show ramming Dan.
Dan is a genius!
BREAD! saurus
I'm so glad he found Dante. It's epic and something I've used a ton for live concerts, concerts, and festivals. It works amazingly well.
i watch your videos
I did a small install at my previous church about 5 years ago, and even if the mixer I used only had Dante as an option for stage boxes (rather than a Behringer or A&H proprietary system), I would have used it anyway to avoid the vendor lock-in (so saving money in the long term, you can replace the mixer and just buy a Dante expansion card without replacing the stage boxes as well) and the ability to have devices plugged in to 2 different networks with automatic seamless fail-over if a cable were to fail.
As someone who does this stuff for a living, it's super entertaining to see LMG cover this corner of the tech landscape.
It's both exciting and kind of painful, seeing them go with those dongles flopping out of the rack, having their UCI inside of the QSYS file. It certainly has the signature LTT jank.
@ConnorBlackwood absolutely, I expected to cringe way harder though. I've seen worse inheriting a Q-Sys file from a previous integrator or end user. For a first attempt, I'm reasonably impressed!
I am surprised I haven't seen them do more with Crestron or RTI.
Exactly, more enterprise stuff, I want to know how things work!
@@Telecraster Thanks! It was super fun and obviously this is an incredibly early first test. Spent about a day on the setup hah. UCI will eventually be moved to something that can be on a tablet for the staff to use day to day. I thought more people would cringe tbh. Once WHALE lan approaches I'll do another full pass, tidy up the programming, and button up the interfaces. The jank is fun but this is a production system and needs to be treated as such. Was my first experience with Q-Sys and I'm loving it. Extremely easy to set up and deploy. Like, a few hours for a perfectly functional system, if not jank under the hood.
8:25 The smile on Linus's face when he hears about the elaborate scheme with all of the zones. You can tell the badminton court is his dream, just from that smile alone 😁
Glad to see Linus discovering Dante. Dante is the backbone of our audio infrastructure at the venue that I manage. We've got 3 different buildings all connected on our network and are able to effortlessly pipe audio to anywhere in the building with just a few clicks of a button.
As a network administrator, that RGB switching is sick. In a business setting, I've always had use color coded cables to define different vlans/networks and important uplinks, etc.. in an RGB switch you could just light up the colors based on the vlan and use all the same cables. Amazing.
Or do both, diffrent colourd ports and wires to pack even more information onto the switchboard.
I love how Dan smiled at 15:31 when talking :D shows how passionate he's about it
Passionate about what he's doing and VERY proud of what he's achieved (and rightfully so, this is a sick setup)
They fired a bunch of people and shutdown a lot of channels
@@richardwoods7593 and that's Dan's fault how exactly?
@@richardwoods7593 Where did you get that info?
I only know Linus "adressed" personal changes the last WAN show but how do you know they got fired, and not quit themselves? How do you even know how many are gone?
0:10 lighting looks so nice
@@NovaTurtlez what ligtning?
It really does
@@gorombolyieriklighting, not lightning
4:10 That poor Mackie's life flashed before his eyes...
@@JirForce It's Mackie, it was literally built to withstand that xd
@@Camilink94It's not a real SM58 until it's got a dented windscreen and enough scratches you'd wonder if someone hit it with steel wool.
@@YttriumtYcLief If you're not using your SM58 as a hammer, then why did you buy an SM58?
It’s a mackie, it’s the 58 of mixers. He could’ve built that building using it as a hammer, then still used it as a mixer.
heart attack aaaaaa
This is what makes LTT. This type of relatable content really hits home. I too ran into these problems with a PA system in my where house but not anymore. Thanks LTT
8:45 “graphic design is my passion.”
Lmao 😂
it works so good
I setup my entire church w/ Dante across two venues, the broadcast suite, multi purpose rooms, and common areas. Anything can go anywhere. On special weekends we’ll split the band up between the two venues and do a combined service. We show the musicians from the other venue on the LED wall on the back of the stage. Everyone loves it. We did setup completely separate infrastructure for it, though. We’re moving almost 128 channels at 96 kHz in both directions. Even the speakers have redundant Dante links to redundant Cisco switches. It was a lot of fun to deploy.
Dude, you likely have 1,000+ homeless people in your community and your CHURCH spends $40,000 for an audio setup for services instead?
@ Yes, actual professional audio equipment is very expensive. Leading up to that project I spent over a year working on audio predictions for the PA and making sure we bought what we needed to support our vision and nothing more. We didn’t just buy the most expensive thing. In every aspect of the remodel/AVL update we bought the equipment that had the best track record for reliability and quality so we wouldn’t have to replace it in five years, thus saving money. Sure, we could have bought something like a Behringer console that would have been a lot cheaper than the Digico consoles we have, but it’s always going to cost more in the long run. Dante was always going to be a part of the infrastructure because without it, it would cost several times as much to tie all the different parts of our facilities together. Being a good steward of the funds entrusted to us is one of our highest priorities. Going cheap costs more in the long run. But, more importantly, bad audio is distracting. And, in church, the most important thing is the message and creating an atmosphere that people can worship freely in. And, that is accomplished with good AVL. Also, we purchased this equipment once and it will last us well over a decade. By comparison we spend many times more money on outreach and our community because that happens every single week. I just hope you can understand that spending money to make sure our message is understood IS something really important. I wish we could just spend $40K and have an awesome experience, but that’s just not possible given the space we’re in. Let me know if you have any questions about anything I’ve said here. I appreciate and share your passion for wanting funds to go where they’re most needed. But, maybe things aren’t at black and white as you think they are. I know I’m guilty of thinking people should be doing things a certain way without fully understanding the whole picture at times.
4:10 "for better balance" he says while almost dropping the mixer.
The joke made itself
Epic 😂
Almost as if it was fake.
@@harrparr8988 I wouldn't describe it as fake, just not spontaneous.
I am a music teacher at a school in the US that uses Dante to manage the audio in our Auditorium/Gym/Rehearsal Spaces, etc. I had to watch a TON of TH-cam videos about Dante to learn how to configure multitrack recording off our Auditorium Sound Board and to configure/adjust routing and volume levels in the hallways and other spaces where sound was being routed that we didn't need/want most of the time. It took forever, but it truly is amazing what you can do with it. With all of my on-the-job training and experience, I'm wondering if I would make more money doing live sound instead of teaching music... lol
The automatic ducking is actually genius, what a fantastic idea and implemented so well.
Many even cheapest mixers have had this since the 80s. Usually a lot more nervous though and misic blows up again after a second. Seldomly configurable.
Absolute standard, nothing special at all 🤦♂🤦♂
@@julianreverse being able to customize it is what makes it great
Would love to see the settings that were applied to make that work
quack
Man, I didn’t ever work in whole-building audio myself, but I’ve worked with a boatload of people who did, and $20k for equipment and probably $50-100k for the infrastructure team’s time (for both present work and likely future work w. Reconfigures), that is like less than half of what those guys were telling me it cost to do this kind of work. Good on ya guys for showing us this.
This series has been one of the coolest things to watch, I love seeing tech in action in the real world instead of just seeing numbers and charts.
i hope they make a dvd or something at the tail end of it all, or at least a dedicated playlist
As someone who works in the AV industry, I have to applaud you guys for going with Dante.
That was my first thought when you were talking about your options.
The amazing thing is, if you get an AV company to come to your LAN event, it shouldn't be hard for them to plug in and do whatever they need.
The other thing I would love to mention is, you can get a networking company to program your switches for Dante, etc.
That's what we do if we need to run Dante, Internet, Artnet and multiple other protocols across multiple buildings, we hire a company who rents us CISCO switches programmed so we only need to run 1 Ethernet cable in between buildings.
As an audio pro myself, Dante Networking is my favorite part of the gig. It’s intuitive expandable and just voodoo at times. I’ve used it in large productions + studio environments and it just amazes me how much better it made the audio world.
As a hardcore Dante enthusiast and audio engineer, Audinate has quite literally changed the game for Pro Audio and commercial installs. My life is 100x easier because of Dante :D
I am the Q-Sys/Dante administrator at a school in Florida. I didn't do the install, but love the feature of how these two AV solutions can be used in a non-education/performance space!
Oh? Where at?
Cool story
As an AV Integrator I would like to note that not all 70v systems are created equal and the crappy ones give them all a bad rap. 70v systems are great, the fidelity issues mostly affect the lower frequencies. If extra low end is needed add a subwoofer with a crossover on the system.
I actually love seeing this since I'm looking to do an industrial shop PA upgrade soon!
At this point linus should also start consulting services & ask less for the privilege of making a public case study(ltt videos). All major firms keep such case studies for learning & review, why not let the client save a buck if he doesn't mind being on yt.
@@kushagraN You'd be shocked how many places are super paranoid about what they do getting out into the public. I work on supply chain consulting, and asking if we can take pictures onsite makes out contacts start sweating heavily heavily 70% of the time, and takes 2 weeks to get an answer. Everyone thinks that they've built the golden goose, without realizing that everyone does that process the exact same way.
When i was doing my audio tech degree, we were one if the first places to get Dante (no joke they came out to install it) and its amazing to see how far they've come!! we were using it to record concerts off site (via college internet) as well as having a single cable for different room audio transfers. Awesome to see the growth and adaptation of a brilliant standard/ team
i feel i could talk to dan for hours on end about literally anything. Dudes a jack of all trades, and a master of at least half!
Dan's current role at LMG (besides producing WAN) seems to be solving other people's "I need something that does *this*" requests in the jankiest way possible.
We need more Dan content, he reminds me of my school's district I.T specialist, I helped him too since our school had a system that you could work with school staff as academic work
@4:10 Linus almost being Linus 😂😂😂😂
Exactly 😂
all while talking about audio balance, i think this one is peak linus
"for better balance"... alright linus
This was an extremely helpful and entertaining video. I am a volunteer at my church and these videos about the new badminton facility have been game changers. I don’t think people realize the sheer amount of man hours to do the research on the compatibility of all different types of components. These type of videos have a huge impact on smaller organizations and I’m really appreciative of it. Please keep these type of videos coming.
The company I work for moved into a space with Qsys deployed for conference rooms, white noise generations, and office audio/PA. That was a fun 6 months rushing classes and learning how to configure it lol. All in all I liked Qsys a lot. Lots of options on configuration and the basic certification is free to take and teaches you a lot.
As an audio engineer myself, I love Dante. I use it on every show and tour that I go on. I love the fact that it is a one time purchase and you keep the software (DVS). It is the greatest thing created for us audio folks who work on the big productions because all I have to do is run a single cat6 to and from the console all the way hundreds of feet to my stage box where all my inputs and outputs are. It is really cool to see you guys using it in your system, it really shows how versatile Dante is
I love how many things he has going on all together, and how varied and interesting each video is !
That's what happens when you have a literal team of writers coupled with a producer and even more staff to come up with and plan videos.
A new CEO to focus on video seems to be working great 🎉
Hearing the name Dante fills me with first-semester dread. I had to configure something with it and it confused the heck out of me. Shoutout to anyone who works with it on a regular basis
It does have its moments of hair pulling. Though typically all the issues come down to network problems. It's really good to see large manufacturers implementing preset Network configurations for common AV protocols.
I work at a pretty natioanlly big AV integrator putting together systems like this one all the time, I absolutely love seeing dan dive into the things I work with, but you guys barely scratched the surface, between PTZ operation and routing inside of qsys, building conrol, audio routing, theres so much cool stuff in AVoIP. I hope you guys continue to cover it.
Dan is my favorite to see in big project videos, the stuff he gets done is so rad and then the deadpan humor seals the deal
Linus should just make his own tech company for everything
Creation warehouse will eventually build everything because nothing is "good enough" for Linus. Eventually they will break off to their own company and build stuff internationally lol
Amen!
He is rich, but not that rich.
It'll just be called LT, Linus Technology. They'd then release a new channel just called LTT, Linus Tech Troubleshooting.
I told him that. Especially home automation stuff as he seems to struggle with them a lot.
Mad props to Dan and the whole teeam. PA systems are really hard to do right. Buddy of mine shown me how they set up tune and calibrate ona a mixed indoor and outdoor setup. The complexity is mindboggling. But the difference when done right Vs just using high end stuff and just plug it in is incredible. Hell the active compensation based on noise level and spectrum for outdoor stuff is amazing. One thing he does push for is open API solutions to prevent vendor lock in.
the in house venue I work at was built on the ground up with Dante connectivity in mind. multiple meeting rooms with Dante as its backbone, Q-Sys for I/O, and Crestron for UI. our main hall has everything connected to Dante which can be routed to and from anywhere, with 36 boxes worth of line arrays, over 500 channels, and 20 wireless microphones that can be used just about anywhere within our venue.
in total we have approximately 250 speakers, approximately 700 channels, 140+ stereo inputs, 30+ UI surfaces, and Companion has been a huge help with daily automations and routing presets.
Dante can be very finicky as Dan mentioned. It is for the most part very stable if the network isn't saturated with "garbage" data. Just because you have 10Gbe speeds, doesn't mean it'll be stable.
@@williewonka1500 Actually Dante isn’t finicky when you properly design your network, it’s actually rock stable. You only need to know how to properly manage data, and in Dante Clocking is EVERYTHING. You don’t have clocking stable in the network, it’s done, nothing will work. It doesn’t need some fancy network switch can absolutely make Dante work flawlessly with a 25$ managed network switch. If you properly manage QoS and Multicast it will work every time .
Why Q-Sys as a controller and Crestron for UI? Genuinely asking. Is it so the users see Crestron panels to which they are more acustomed than some "what is this new unrecognisable brand" Q-Sys?
@@TheRoniSta unfortunately I'm not sure what the real reason behind the pick is as it was a third party installer that was awarded that side of the contract.
Alot of it is definitely because Crestron surfaces are more "oh wow, name brand", but then again the installer has close ties to Crestron and has let slip they have steep discounts with them. Our infrastructure also uses Crestron's NVX system to push video all over the place, making it easier and robust for an end user to push couple of buttons on a Crestron panel for a Crestron system.
our auxiliary rooms are Crestron touch panels controlling routing of Crestron video streams and Qsys audio streams. Dante is just the audio protocol that's universally used throughout the building where it's super easy to provide massive 192/192 patched. Q-Sys IO boxes was deemed more stable than the AVIO's that Dan showed in this video as they also report heartbeats, and multiple different diagnostic data.
@@ksaugrin Dante is not finicky, until it is.
unfortunately with alot of system integrators, they don't understand the clocking part of Dante. which was the headache I went through with our SI where they only looked at the 1GBe link speed but not latency. Due to a certain budget constraint, there was a switch with a 10gig fiber link carrying 4 different VLANs over 3 different subnets. in theory it's fine, until packets aren't prioritised. we also have a STAR network where 9 different switches daisy off each other into 4 links to our core switch.
as mentioned and agreed, Dante is usually painless, but with a massive installation that I currently oversee and run, it can be incredibly infuriating at times.
@@williewonka1500 Oh now I understand so Q-Sys is only for audio management not for control and/or video distribution. Makes sense now - Crestron never had any really good audio products. Thank you.
This video just got friggin hilarious at 5:50. Linus said "network cable" and i was like "ok are they going to be using Audiofire, Cobranet, or Dante. probably Dante." and now were talking about Dante, a system i am WAY more familliar with than i want to be, because my company's clients use it regularly for hotels, casinos, and other big venues. my company is a background music supplier, so im enjoying this whole video quite a bit. lol.
Hey Dan, you’ve probably already thought about this, but I’d recommend replacing the AVIO Bluetooth dongle with a wifi streamer like the Episode Lynk hooked up to an AVIO analog input adapter. Then you can walk the whole building with a phone that’s streaming music.
So many flashbacks from trying to manage music at a restaurant through wifi....oh the horrors...
@@ryanA133at pizza Hut we did it via some old laptop remote desktopd to something on the network that was capable of actually streaming internet radio but did not have an audio jack
Probably would be easier to go into the Dante network from a media playback system for 90% of the music. For the guests that bring in stuff that's when the Wi-Fi streaming/Bluetooth would still be nice to keep implemented.
The big man named DAN! That's why we love dan. "We make things simple by first making them complicated." I understand this completely and wrote a paper about this in college and made peoples brains hurt.
SoundTube POE speakers are some of my favorite equipment to work with. I was a part of an A/V team as a student employee working to replace and setup PA/Speaker systems in a large rec center and they were so easy to run and get connected wherever we needed it. Dante is something we'll keep in mind to share with higher ups in our teams as we continue discussions for solutions and replacement for our existing AVoIP systems
If you head to their website you can get Dante training for free too
You sound very important. Thank-you for being important.
As an enterprise network engineer, a certified studio recording engineer, a tech nerd, and an all-around audio guy... this video checks a whole lot of boxes!
6:43 "Complexity to make things simple". THIS is the challenge most face.
LTT getting into the pro/ production audio world now with DANTE, QSYS and more?!?! Heck yeah!
After being burned by the death of firewire and having thousands of dollars in otherwise perfectly functional audio gear rendered useless... I built my current recording studio around Dante in 2015 with the intention of it being "future proof". Happy to say that nearly 10 years later it's still working great. Big fan of Dante.
firewire was is nice and it is still usable it's just that certain companies (cough personas) refused to update drivers. It's almost like they want to sell you a brand new product? But yet didn't want to upgrade their drivers to be certified and signed.
As an audio engineer, who works on TV trucks and in live production, Dante is fantastic! The Dante tax is real, but Audinate manufacturers and supports the IO cards in Dante products, which is crucial in high stakes live events.
Dante I/O boxes are widely used for Call of Duty® championships and other live gaming tournaments. It will even take 64 channels of Audio direct to and from a PC Ethernet port if you are running Dante Virtual Sound card.
Dante has become a BIG tool for Radio lately, as they are the most cost effective way to ship audio around a network. Love their stuff.
Dan is the man! This was great, loved the enthusiasm from Dan and Linus. Would love to see a deep dive into Q-SYS and the UniFi VLAN configuration and hear about the future plans for tablet-based control, etc. Ideally on this channel, but even on Techlinked or Floatplane.
These types of videos and the home videos are by far my favorite
it is so cool to see this technology being deployed and used in this way, I work in the AV Industry in Aus and often deploy Q-SYS and other brands that are capable of this. and as Dan said you need complex to make it simple. It is great to see a crossover of my worlds like this! go team this venue looks and now sounds awesome!
And even better.. Dante is Aussie born and bred....
The company I work for is getting ready to install a mercury PA system in my site and this video is perfect for me to understand how this works. Cant wait for our to get installed now.
Love to see all the live sound people sounding off in the comments. I know entertainment tech isn't really the LTT style but it looks like there's some interest in at least installed techy sound equipment. I have a feeling there were some very helpful comments from the last video about Dante and Qsys to nudge them that way. Good job everyone
The biggest issue with PA speakers is that oftentimes they are set up so the speakers output interferes with other speakers output.
Dan is just so talented in front of the camera love to see him nerding around
I love Dan, my favorite Dan quote is the "L is for narcissist"
That audio set up is actually pretty dang clean! Admittedly my audio experience is limited to the streaming/creator space, i had no idea something like Dante even existed. I can see how invaluable it could be for the right people!
One of the big spaces for Dante audio is that it’s used in most large theme parks (such as Disneyland) to transport audio everywhere on its own dedicated network.
Back in the day, distributed audio in a theme park meant having large cages with audio processing cards in them, sending out audio to other parts of the park into amp racks, then doing 70v speakers from those racks. It was complicated, expensive, not super adaptable, and not easily configurable. Dante is muuuuuch better.
This is legit. Love DANTE. Managed to get our ISP to interlink two campuses with a Layer 2 link and did a whole production from a control room about 3 miles away
I giggled a little when he said "Fancy" while referring to a Mackie compact mixer... he'd probably spontaneously combust if he sat behind even a small DiGiCo :)
Fancy is not how I would describe that lol
I did the same thing. For small analog mixers it's decent, but even a similar sized digital board would blow Linus's mind with all of the fun things you can do with them. A WiFi connection and some motorized faders make for quite the party trick.
I think he would stare for hours at motorized faders
I'm sure he meant fancy, as in, more than 4 channels lol
One additional network feature that is handy for this kind of setup is MAC-based VLANs. Cisco and Juniper can do them and you can also do them with many different vendor switches (including some inexpensive ones like Ubiquiti) by using something like the Open Source PacketFence NAC. It allows the network to dynamically reconfigure the port to a specific VLAN when a known device is plugged in.
In the pro audio world Dante is the shit, its the number 1 protocol we use
I was working as a producer when Dante first started being announced.
We had just invested heavily in ADAT over optical fiber throughout the whole property, so it was not practical for us to adopt, but I followed its development very closely with a tiny bit of jealous resentment and a lot of FOMO.
If it had come to market a couple months prior, we would have saved a ton of money as we already had wired networking and would have only needed one cat 5 run to the stage.
The 500ft or so of toslink cables plus the break out boxes in every room, booth, and to the stage outside, plus the Marian PCIe card and the absolute beast PC for the time that was required for it to all run was a significant investment in both terms of money and in terms of time. That and it would randomly drop samples, crack and pop, or just stop working ALL THE FREAKING TIME. I cannot tell you the number of ruined takes, and even a ruined concert recording, all supposedly caused by using “cheap” (still well over $100/ea) cables with plastic cores instead of glass (chosen both for cost and fragility since some runs had bends in them)
Long story short, Dante would have been a significantly better investment if it had been out at the time.
Dan is great. If there is someone else writing his quips then props to that person.
Not if his contributions to the WAN show are anything to go by. I've seen bits of LTT with the subtitle set as "Linus is Linus". I think we need one that says "Dan is Dan"
Working in the A/V integration and interactive arts sphere, I can say that Dante is one of the very few proprietary protocol & standard that are worth the money and remains robust in a ton of different scenarios. Great setup!
11:50 i love the editors note :D
Coming from a TV background.. Dante does A LOT. Like. A lot a lot.
As a person who uses sound boards on the regular not using a board and still having seemingly smooth experience fading the audio is impressive.
Man, I wish this video was released a year and a half ago. We had to design a PA system for a school, and although I knew some basic things about Dante, I dismissed it because it's not really used for in-building PA systems, and we went with a Chinese company. It's IP based, the speakers are PoE, but the latency makes it unusable for live application, and the speakers are not entirely in sync either. The bigger problem is that different speaker models have different latency, which in our case (indoor and outdoor speakers) was not that bad. The entire system (main controller, 20 speakers, two announcement stations and a pretty much useless FM radio / CD player) ended up costing something like 8000 euros plus later we needed to add an analog stereo PA to the assembly hall for another grand, plus labor fees. Some parts in the controller software are painful (like Chinese software usually is) but it gets the job done.
Dan is the absolute man. His knowledge base on such a wide variety of things never fails to amaze me. What a Chad he is.
Dan is a hero - this is insane the amount of ease of use stuff he implemented
I cant believe Linus was the bay harbour butcher
I CAN'T ESCAPE IT
Dexter brain rot reached ltt
Don't let this comment blow up please, I can't take it anymore.
I can't believe Doakes was the Bay harbor butcher
Dexter Brainrot let's gooooo
Pretty awesome to watch your mind be blown by Dante audio patching for the first time! I use it all the time with work and is truly as amazing as they make it seem
Dante is great - We use this alot e.g in big churches, cruiseliners and more.
The optimal way is really seperate it from the "normal" Network - Yes i can work but sometimes it is better to have Dante seperated.
There amazing gear out e.g Stagetec Nexus Compact or some nice things from Yamaha :)
PS: We use Netgear or Cisco Switches or sometimes Yamaha Switches^^ - work great and without any problemes^^.
@@djspecialpaul TIL that yamaha made network switches. They really do make everything, huh.
We use Q-SYS and Dante at our company to carry music across the buildings. System is amazing network audio is fantastic and now you can do video over Dante as well. Q-Sys has a great touch panel and a free iPad app unlike most other AV systems. You can totally automate it and make it easy for an end. Q-Sys plug-ins allow you to control almost any kind of AV equipment and if you wanna get technical, you can even script custom controls. Great video for broader audience to learn and hopefully implement more so closed ecosystems are gone from AV world.
2:04 ITS A COMMUTER BACKPACK!!!!!!!
Wow.
The best videos from LTT are always not in the studio. I love these type of videos and 'real world'
Thought his car was getting impounded because the wrap was illegal after all. 😂😂
@@aks3l897 I was like well that was fast😂😂
When and if you properly pack the place, you will likely have reception issues if you take the mic across the room. We are actively having this issue, imperceptible when empty / a little full, but when the room gets full, there's just enough interference that the mic does NOT want to leave it's 20 foot range around the receiver.
Good old line of sight/density of interference
As an AV tech... calling that QSYS DSP setup complex made me giggle.
Not even close lol
Yeah fr they've never seen anything like chamsys magicQ (tho that's artnet/DMX lighting)
@@mindlessmrawesome or MA
As a dev at q-sys I also had quite the smile
@@chillabaua I've never had the luxury to play with anything from Q-SYS (mostly do live audio and lighting). It really looks like something I'd enjoy setting up though. I'm a sucker for flow diagrams lol.
As an avid audio engineer who works in AV engineering and support, this demo of the setup is very cool. I'm very familiar with Q-SYS but I only have very limited experience with Dante so this was incredibly helpful in understanding some of the capabilities and features that Dante with Q-SYS can accommodate. We certainly have come a very long way since the days of analogue audio that required amplifiers and wiring to be run everywhere with phantom power and XLR mixers and everything needing to be adjusted manually typically by a trained technician and repeatedly visited to maintain or make changes or adjustments. These network cloud managed systems are a god send when it comes to end user friendliness.
It so wholesome that Linus does stuff for his community like this. I don't know how much of this is influencer stuff but I can see that at some level, he is quite passionate about helping his community.
gah i love dan. so smart and witty while having this weirdly professional aura where he can say some snarky shit and its all like, "i value your input. thank you"
Would love to have been apart of that. Dante is great, we’re currently running an ever expanding system with 100+ devices, multi subnet routing, remote management, etc
Those Dante Poe cards are nice and you can see that they're designed for tours where you just chuck everything into a case and at the next location just plug it where it's needed
Finally, a video I can understand, I knew that LV2 Dante certification would come in handy one day!
@@garretthuffaker4457 only level 3 you start to understand the configuration of Dante. Level 2 is still very much the basics of networking.
@@garretthuffaker4457 I was wondering what they were going to use for this and was surprised they went full Dante although it is the best option.
Dan is such a good salesman I nearly bought a badminton center just to have Dante audio in it. 😅
4:21 almost drop it
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Edit: Before you read this comment please take in consideration I'm still learning and am not a professional in this subject yet, so some info might be wrong
on the subject of the way the speakers are places, you should of bought more speakers and put them all in a line array configuration. This would have been more on the expensive side of things but you would have got a more immersed sound. Line arrays give a wider projection of the sound there for you could be standing anywhere and the music would sound somewhat equal volume from any position, in saying that you would also start to go down the route of speaker crossover. lastly you'se should probably check the dB level when the music is on "death mode" because anything above 80 dB or I think 85 dBSPL (its been a while) can cause hearing damage, this could be dangerous in corners of the courts due to the fact that sound builds up in corners. other than those things this isn't a hate comment I would just like to shed light on things I know, really liked this video thanks for reading. 😄
12:38 wrong. UniFi has ALWAYS worked. You just needed to configure the firewall and ports correctly. I have configured UniFi to run WSG, DANTE, QSYS, corporate data, sACN, various VoIP protocols. All simultaneously, all without issue. It’s just a bit easier now.
Was just about to write this comment. Would have been bad if my last ~1000 venues had no sound lol.
@ I know right?
Their first gen switches had igmp issues if I remembered correctly. Also their consumer don't have options for alle features. At least not in the GUI
Firewall has nothing to do with it. Dante and Q-Lan both require specific QOS settings on the switch to ensure that the PTP clocking traffic is handled properly. Up until recently UniFi didn't have a way to configure the QOS settings for a switch. I have experienced this first hand with a small Dante / Q-SYS system (under 10 devices) were the Q-SYS core kept going into processor overrun due to clocking issues. Moved to an Aruba switch with properly configured QOS and all the issues were fixed.
@@chillabaua And Yet I have them working
I implemented DANTE for a multiroom audio setup in a house and the network switches there where unifi switches and i never had a problem for the last 5 years. So its nice that they have optimized for it now but even bevor that on its own VLAN it never had problems.
Love any video that features Dan, wish he was in more content but clearly his behind the scenes work takes up so much time and skill.
LTT has some of the most amazing people working their and it’s awesome to see them loving their job and having the founder not only be your friend and boss but a true leader and lover of the craft.