"What is seen in the shadows can easly be misinterpreted in the mind of a child" I think that when CC saw Charlie's body, he thought Fredbear killed her and that's why he fears the animatronics so much in FNaF 4. 9:24
"So it's not like we have any reason to believe Michael is afraid to stand up to his father." Supporting this, the one major characterization we get from fnaf 6 for Michael is Henry calling him "brave." Also, thanks for including my old, albeit probably not entirely true, Reddit post!
One thing that I’ve always felt like didn’t match up with “later that night” referring to being after Charlie’s death is that midnight motorist happens at MIDNIGHT. The children’s party Charlie was at should only go as late as 8-9pm possibly even earlier since the children looked young. That would mean between Charlie’s murder and William getting home he’d have to have been driving for at least 3 hours on the road. Even if he’s not sober or sound of mind, 3 hours is an excessively long time to drive loops around the city which is difficult to explain. The other option being that the Freddy’s location Charlie died at was 3 hours away from Williams home which seems even less likely.
Oh its crazy seeing the journey of Midnight Motorist theories from the early days where they were all William is protagonist adjacent (a highlight being William's father being the protagonist and William being the runaway) to the more out there interpretations that William in his Spring Bonnie suit was the owner of the footprints (mainly spurred by the Help Wanted game files being found showing his suit had the 3 toed footpads that the classics do) focusing on the runaway who's either Andrew, a member of the MCI or even Rory thanks to Dittophobia. And finally looping back to more or less the original interpretation that this is William driving home drunk after killing his friend's daughter and taking it out on his children. Quite a few debates go this way (not even exclusive even to FNAF, both author debates of Gravity Falls and The Owl House went this way) I find its a good sign that its not been retconned or whatever at least from release. Considering your interpretation would mean Midnight Motorist before FNAF 4, the location where Charlie died outside I could see either being a pre-rebrand Fredbear's before Freddy and Friends established Fredbear and Freddy as separate characters or some sort of precursor location to what would become Freddy Fazbear's Pizza in 1983. We'll have to see if Secret of the Mimic gives us any more info on Fazbear in this time period though to be certain. On the topic of FNAF 4, you can't forget that steam post Scott made at the time of the story of part 4 remaining completely hidden. (Matpat used this as justification for his dream theory but that doesn't really make in the context of the post where part 2 was completely solved and FNAF 3 was a similar deal) So the idea that all there was to the Crying Child's trauma was misinterpreting something innocent and what we see in the minigames isn't necessarily true. In fact Scott mentions in the other half of that clip from the interview of things being too vague and hard to interpret so its not impossible especially with the puppet imagery already present with the fnaf 4 that this was the original intent but it just wasn't made clear enough. I think Security Breach and FNAF 4 are very similar in that respect, it's just Steel Wool was making the interpretations of the story instead of us. That aside, I would love to see a video on the original intent of FNAF 4's story. People don't seem to really explore it that much beyond the surface level dream theory was retconned and matpat was right all along or whatever.
So the consensus has changed again Now people believe my motorist takes place after the DCI William defeating Freddy and leaving to go back to his house Some evidence for this . The dice in five laps at Freddy Freddy’s has 87 . The bpm is 187. . This allows the minigames to reference all of Williams killing sprees. Charlie Mci Dci not sure if I believe it since Scott seems to not care about the DCI at all and the mini game really feels like it takes place after Charlie, but just letting you know and would be interested to see your take
About the Punishment... Idk, but i think there's an easy punishment that is way too undernose for the Runnaway, known as FNAF 4. FNAF 4 whole thing its that there's no Doors to Lock and no Windows in the room to jump. Which would counter the Runnaway's actions. So it would work if Michael is the Runnaway, since we have proof that Michael was there (As a Dream or not it doesn't matter)
Michael makes more sense as the runaway. CC was made scared of the animatronics by Other older Children pre fnaf 4, their dialogue in the Fnaf 4 mini games speaks to this as they are talking about past conversations with CC to CC. A big requirement of the runaway is that they trust an animatronic that suddenly appeared outside of their bedroom window, CC wouldn't do that, not during fnaf 4's mini games. Charlotte's death occurs in the evening as she'd have been attending the last party of the day before closing so Shadow Freddy existing as an actual entity before this like in pizzeria simulator points to CC dying before Charlotte Emily which ties into the failed attempt at happiest day in Fnaf 3. His story is told in the background of the mini games as Cassidy was set free leaving him behind. 'The party was for you' in the logbook even attests that someone missed the party meaning if that extra spirit in the book is indeed CC, he still lingers up to UCN which fits with him being Shadow Freddy and as such also UCN Fredbear.
Another thing of note, Fnaf 4's mini games puts CC's bedroom further away than the runaway's room in MM. CC has to walk up, left via a corridor and left again through the living room to leave the house. MM places the runaway's room at the back of the house via a straight run upwards from the living room. The difference between the two is essentially that CC's bedroom in Fnaf 4 would be towards the right hand front side of the house NOT the back of the house like the runaway's room. Mike and Elizabeth would have their bedrooms there though following the Fnaf 4 layout.(Elizabeth's especially as it's found there in the Fnaf 4 mini games) Since Elizabeth is a girl, she can't be the runaway obviously, so that leaves Mike as the viable option.
CC himself would have to be Shadow Freddy because Shadow Freddy IS UCN Fredbear and UCN Fredbear as an attachment to Golden Freddy was revealed in the new Fnaf 1 prequel book 'the week before' to be a certain broken boy while Cassidy as Golden Freddy tries to calm situations. You can't have Shadow Freddy WITHOUT CC being dead, so kind of a narrative plot hole for him to have runaway.
Shadow Freddy existing in 1983 plays into CC dying in the day and Charlotte dying in the evening. Shadow Freddy would have to have come into existence VIA the bite of 83, which immediately points out that CC is dead so CANNOT runaway. That leaves Mike, Elizabeth, Mrs Afton and William Afton as the family at home during MM. Mike is the runaway under this logic, as he's the ONLY boy left in the household.
Guys, lok, TV and Gray, Mikes whole characther traits... like, come on, Gray isn't a color exclusive of Michael, this sprite "Oh, but he talks in Gray text", when Scott makes someone talk, he takes the predominent color and make it their text, William talks in Yellow and Shrek talks in Green, so this isn't strong evidence. "Oh, but TV!!!" Like Michael is the only person in the FNAF Universe who watches TV. Is Oswald a Michael parallel because he watches TV? Oh, and the Clara reference makes it even worse, because yes, Clara argues with Vlad... but i remember that Vlad argues back. Yes, Michael is fearless (This is why he is most likely the Runnaway and is a Guard in FNAF 1, 2(?), 3, SL and PizzaSim), but i'm pretty sure that he would talk with William in that way, SPECIALLY considering that Michael don't talk that bluntly. CouchPerson is just a Generic Person who doesn't even matter, it can be Mrs. Afton as well it can be a Random babysitter.
Visual storytelling is very important in FNAF. a person wearing a grey shirt, with grey text watching TV not being Mike makes no sense. Especially because of the fact that FFPS is made to clarify stuff, litteraly what's the point in adding Mrs. Afton when she isn't important at all In the minigame?
@@century453 Yes, Visual Storytelling IS important to FNAF, but considering that IS Missing The Context of The minigame. Couch Person has The similar Sprite as every Other Generic Characther in PizzaSim. Also, CouchPerson doesnt wear a Gray Shirt, If you pay attention, The Gray goes from The Body tô All The way tô The ground. The Gray Text means NOTHING when The Characthers talk in Their predominent Color. And The TV is Basically nonsense Because Mike is not The only person in The FNAF Universe to Watch TV. (Specially If you Believe Stitchline Or FrightsGames) People is really complain about "But Mrs. Afton isnt important", yes, you sumarize CouchPerson. There's also The Fact that CouchPerson speaks NOTHING like Michael does, SPECIALLY in this period of The Timeline. Michael makes more Sense being The Runnaway Considering The minigame could be consider a Prequel to FNAF 4 Minigame.
@@drquem4279 I doubt the gray going down is even important, especially in a minigame where William and the bouncer guy are basically big orange and green blobs. Those are probably also Mikes legs as well. And for the TV part, SL establishes that Mike coming home from his shift to watch TV is one of his main character traits so Scott making a character like Couch potato who looks real similar to Mike, is a Afton, and watches TV, but making him not Mike is just not logical at all. Also the whole "so is Mike the only person whose able to watch TV in FNAF" is a stupid point because before AftonMM was confirmed whenever a AftonMM believer pointed out that Orange man drove a purple car I've heard MANY none AftonMM believers say "so what? Is Afton the only person ever who drives a purple car?" So I would suggest not to use that logic. Mike is the only Afton we know whose main character trait is to watch TV, so connecting couch potato to Mike is a Really solid/Fair connection.
Also the fact that Couch potato doesn't act like Mike from FNAF 4 litteraly isn't a problem at all, fnaf 4's night 6 minigame confirms that Mike truly does care for his younger brother. midnight motorists just reestablishes that. This combined with the fact that under BVrunaway BV hasn't seen the thing which will make him terrified of the animatronics yet means that Mike barely has a reason to bully BV yet. So that's a bad point tbh
I think Runaway is better to be Micheal bc if it then would make sense for micheal to be sorry when he comes back and also why would William want CC to be sorry when he comes back why would William hate Cc I get Elizabeth and Mike but why CC. In the games it’s pretty obvious that William has some compassion for CC just the line “I will put you back together” and putting a walk-in talkie to make sure he is safe. I think that place has to be the dirt which is proabably CC grave. For the grey person only person I could think of is Mrs Aftom bc she is a real character in the game but I don’t see it as michel but that’s just my opinion
i mean if william is abusive towards mike & elizabeth, why wouldnt he be abusive towards the crying child? i really doubt william felt any real compassion for his kids. maybe he wants to put the crying child's soul together so he can study/experiment or use it for his own goals and benefits. but i do agree that michael being the runaway, the grave being dave's (or CC's), and the chair person being mrs afton would be really cool,,
Yeah, the runaway has to be Mike. Not to mention that William was probably abusive or at least negligent towards CC/Dave/Cassidy. Yet the negligence and abuse probably occurred after Dave/Cassidy witnessed his sister meet her demise via Circus Baby.
@@measleyvengeful I would make a whole video about how William never had a single moment of compassion for his family in his entire life, but I wouldn't be able to deal with the comment section
Right, but running away willingly with an animatronic is also not in David's [Crying Child] nature. As much as his favorite character is Fredbear, he's beyond confirmed to be afraid of the animatronics themselves. Why would he go with Shadow Freddy or really any animatronic?
"What is seen in the shadows can easly be misinterpreted in the mind of a child"
I think that when CC saw Charlie's body, he thought Fredbear killed her and that's why he fears the animatronics so much in FNaF 4. 9:24
"So it's not like we have any reason to believe Michael is afraid to stand up to his father."
Supporting this, the one major characterization we get from fnaf 6 for Michael is Henry calling him "brave."
Also, thanks for including my old, albeit probably not entirely true, Reddit post!
I think this is the most truthful explanation of Midnight Motorist I've ever heard
One thing that I’ve always felt like didn’t match up with “later that night” referring to being after Charlie’s death is that midnight motorist happens at MIDNIGHT. The children’s party Charlie was at should only go as late as 8-9pm possibly even earlier since the children looked young. That would mean between Charlie’s murder and William getting home he’d have to have been driving for at least 3 hours on the road. Even if he’s not sober or sound of mind, 3 hours is an excessively long time to drive loops around the city which is difficult to explain. The other option being that the Freddy’s location Charlie died at was 3 hours away from Williams home which seems even less likely.
Your analysis is so clear
Oh its crazy seeing the journey of Midnight Motorist theories from the early days where they were all William is protagonist adjacent (a highlight being William's father being the protagonist and William being the runaway) to the more out there interpretations that William in his Spring Bonnie suit was the owner of the footprints (mainly spurred by the Help Wanted game files being found showing his suit had the 3 toed footpads that the classics do) focusing on the runaway who's either Andrew, a member of the MCI or even Rory thanks to Dittophobia. And finally looping back to more or less the original interpretation that this is William driving home drunk after killing his friend's daughter and taking it out on his children. Quite a few debates go this way (not even exclusive even to FNAF, both author debates of Gravity Falls and The Owl House went this way) I find its a good sign that its not been retconned or whatever at least from release.
Considering your interpretation would mean Midnight Motorist before FNAF 4, the location where Charlie died outside I could see either being a pre-rebrand Fredbear's before Freddy and Friends established Fredbear and Freddy as separate characters or some sort of precursor location to what would become Freddy Fazbear's Pizza in 1983. We'll have to see if Secret of the Mimic gives us any more info on Fazbear in this time period though to be certain.
On the topic of FNAF 4, you can't forget that steam post Scott made at the time of the story of part 4 remaining completely hidden. (Matpat used this as justification for his dream theory but that doesn't really make in the context of the post where part 2 was completely solved and FNAF 3 was a similar deal) So the idea that all there was to the Crying Child's trauma was misinterpreting something innocent and what we see in the minigames isn't necessarily true. In fact Scott mentions in the other half of that clip from the interview of things being too vague and hard to interpret so its not impossible especially with the puppet imagery already present with the fnaf 4 that this was the original intent but it just wasn't made clear enough. I think Security Breach and FNAF 4 are very similar in that respect, it's just Steel Wool was making the interpretations of the story instead of us. That aside, I would love to see a video on the original intent of FNAF 4's story. People don't seem to really explore it that much beyond the surface level dream theory was retconned and matpat was right all along or whatever.
@@WatchThisSpace415 Oh God, I forgot I'd even have to address the "dream theory was the original intent" theories
12:29 That theory is pretty good.
Thanks for this theory, now I could easily understand who yellow guy is!
Wow what a great way to tie everything up so nicely and actually fully seem to make the most sense. Great video 👍
You know what, you're the first person to actually convince me of a BV runaway theory.
11:01
Ayo, why does the map look like ourple guy
So the consensus has changed again
Now people believe my motorist takes place after the DCI William defeating Freddy and leaving to go back to his house
Some evidence for this
. The dice in five laps at Freddy Freddy’s has 87
. The bpm is 187.
. This allows the minigames to reference all of Williams killing sprees.
Charlie
Mci
Dci
not sure if I believe it since Scott seems to not care about the DCI at all and the mini game really feels like it takes place after Charlie, but just letting you know and would be interested to see your take
About the Punishment... Idk, but i think there's an easy punishment that is way too undernose for the Runnaway, known as FNAF 4.
FNAF 4 whole thing its that there's no Doors to Lock and no Windows in the room to jump. Which would counter the Runnaway's actions. So it would work if Michael is the Runnaway, since we have proof that Michael was there (As a Dream or not it doesn't matter)
Michael makes more sense as the runaway. CC was made scared of the animatronics by Other older Children pre fnaf 4, their dialogue in the Fnaf 4 mini games speaks to this as they are talking about past conversations with CC to CC. A big requirement of the runaway is that they trust an animatronic that suddenly appeared outside of their bedroom window, CC wouldn't do that, not during fnaf 4's mini games. Charlotte's death occurs in the evening as she'd have been attending the last party of the day before closing so Shadow Freddy existing as an actual entity before this like in pizzeria simulator points to CC dying before Charlotte Emily which ties into the failed attempt at happiest day in Fnaf 3. His story is told in the background of the mini games as Cassidy was set free leaving him behind. 'The party was for you' in the logbook even attests that someone missed the party meaning if that extra spirit in the book is indeed CC, he still lingers up to UCN which fits with him being Shadow Freddy and as such also UCN Fredbear.
Another thing of note, Fnaf 4's mini games puts CC's bedroom further away than the runaway's room in MM. CC has to walk up, left via a corridor and left again through the living room to leave the house. MM places the runaway's room at the back of the house via a straight run upwards from the living room. The difference between the two is essentially that CC's bedroom in Fnaf 4 would be towards the right hand front side of the house NOT the back of the house like the runaway's room. Mike and Elizabeth would have their bedrooms there though following the Fnaf 4 layout.(Elizabeth's especially as it's found there in the Fnaf 4 mini games) Since Elizabeth is a girl, she can't be the runaway obviously, so that leaves Mike as the viable option.
CC himself would have to be Shadow Freddy because Shadow Freddy IS UCN Fredbear and UCN Fredbear as an attachment to Golden Freddy was revealed in the new Fnaf 1 prequel book 'the week before' to be a certain broken boy while Cassidy as Golden Freddy tries to calm situations. You can't have Shadow Freddy WITHOUT CC being dead, so kind of a narrative plot hole for him to have runaway.
Shadow Freddy existing in 1983 plays into CC dying in the day and Charlotte dying in the evening. Shadow Freddy would have to have come into existence VIA the bite of 83, which immediately points out that CC is dead so CANNOT runaway. That leaves Mike, Elizabeth, Mrs Afton and William Afton as the family at home during MM. Mike is the runaway under this logic, as he's the ONLY boy left in the household.
13:32
could that mean that mrs afton possesed the fredbear plush?
welcome back final nights 2
(mrs afton possesses the fredbear plush in that fangame)
What if William Afton walks with a hump on his back? and it's not that he's drunk It could be many things, it could be both.
Guys, lok, TV and Gray, Mikes whole characther traits... like, come on, Gray isn't a color exclusive of Michael, this sprite
"Oh, but he talks in Gray text", when Scott makes someone talk, he takes the predominent color and make it their text, William talks in Yellow and Shrek talks in Green, so this isn't strong evidence.
"Oh, but TV!!!" Like Michael is the only person in the FNAF Universe who watches TV. Is Oswald a Michael parallel because he watches TV?
Oh, and the Clara reference makes it even worse, because yes, Clara argues with Vlad... but i remember that Vlad argues back. Yes, Michael is fearless (This is why he is most likely the Runnaway and is a Guard in FNAF 1, 2(?), 3, SL and PizzaSim), but i'm pretty sure that he would talk with William in that way, SPECIALLY considering that Michael don't talk that bluntly.
CouchPerson is just a Generic Person who doesn't even matter, it can be Mrs. Afton as well it can be a Random babysitter.
@Sonicmid I know that some use Oswald to compare to The Runnaway. But explain to me How?
Visual storytelling is very important in FNAF. a person wearing a grey shirt, with grey text watching TV not being Mike makes no sense. Especially because of the fact that FFPS is made to clarify stuff, litteraly what's the point in adding Mrs. Afton when she isn't important at all In the minigame?
@@century453 Yes, Visual Storytelling IS important to FNAF, but considering that IS Missing The Context of The minigame. Couch Person has The similar Sprite as every Other Generic Characther in PizzaSim.
Also, CouchPerson doesnt wear a Gray Shirt, If you pay attention, The Gray goes from The Body tô All The way tô The ground. The Gray Text means NOTHING when The Characthers talk in Their predominent Color. And The TV is Basically nonsense Because Mike is not The only person in The FNAF Universe to Watch TV. (Specially If you Believe Stitchline Or FrightsGames)
People is really complain about "But Mrs. Afton isnt important", yes, you sumarize CouchPerson.
There's also The Fact that CouchPerson speaks NOTHING like Michael does, SPECIALLY in this period of The Timeline.
Michael makes more Sense being The Runnaway Considering The minigame could be consider a Prequel to FNAF 4 Minigame.
@@drquem4279
I doubt the gray going down is even important, especially in a minigame where William and the bouncer guy are basically big orange and green blobs. Those are probably also Mikes legs as well.
And for the TV part, SL establishes that Mike coming home from his shift to watch TV is one of his main character traits so Scott making a character like Couch potato who looks real similar to Mike, is a Afton, and watches TV, but making him not Mike is just not logical at all. Also the whole "so is Mike the only person whose able to watch TV in FNAF" is a stupid point because before AftonMM was confirmed whenever a AftonMM believer pointed out that Orange man drove a purple car I've heard MANY none AftonMM believers say "so what? Is Afton the only person ever who drives a purple car?" So I would suggest not to use that logic. Mike is the only Afton we know whose main character trait is to watch TV, so connecting couch potato to Mike is a Really solid/Fair connection.
Also the fact that Couch potato doesn't act like Mike from FNAF 4 litteraly isn't a problem at all, fnaf 4's night 6 minigame confirms that Mike truly does care for his younger brother. midnight motorists just reestablishes that. This combined with the fact that under BVrunaway BV hasn't seen the thing which will make him terrified of the animatronics yet means that Mike barely has a reason to bully BV yet. So that's a bad point tbh
But I do think that William Afton has a hump on his back because in the books he seems to be a person with a hump.
Can't we just say that Charlie dies at Fredbear's and CC/BV runs off to Freddy's and that's where he misinterprets something innocent?
Cool vid btw.
I think Runaway is better to be Micheal bc if it then would make sense for micheal to be sorry when he comes back and also why would William want CC to be sorry when he comes back why would William hate Cc I get Elizabeth and Mike but why CC. In the games it’s pretty obvious that William has some compassion for CC just the line “I will put you back together” and putting a walk-in talkie to make sure he is safe. I think that place has to be the dirt which is proabably CC grave. For the grey person only person I could think of is Mrs Aftom bc she is a real character in the game but I don’t see it as michel but that’s just my opinion
i mean if william is abusive towards mike & elizabeth, why wouldnt he be abusive towards the crying child? i really doubt william felt any real compassion for his kids.
maybe he wants to put the crying child's soul together so he can study/experiment or use it for his own goals and benefits.
but i do agree that michael being the runaway, the grave being dave's (or CC's), and the chair person being mrs afton would be really cool,,
Yeah, the runaway has to be Mike. Not to mention that William was probably abusive or at least negligent towards CC/Dave/Cassidy. Yet the negligence and abuse probably occurred after Dave/Cassidy witnessed his sister meet her demise via Circus Baby.
@@measleyvengeful I would make a whole video about how William never had a single moment of compassion for his family in his entire life, but I wouldn't be able to deal with the comment section
@@measleyvengeful that’s my perspective on the character and think it gives him a better story a better motive and gives him some humanity
@@alenaswoodlands I mean it’s just a perspective u can still make it if u want.
Right, but running away willingly with an animatronic is also not in David's [Crying Child] nature. As much as his favorite character is Fredbear, he's beyond confirmed to be afraid of the animatronics themselves. Why would he go with Shadow Freddy or really any animatronic?
Because he'd have no reason to be afraid yet
@@alenaswoodlands aaah, thank you for clearing it up!!