I have done a ton of VR for almost 10 years and yes this is the very best combat for a game using this style. What people don't get is it mirrors the flat Arkham games exactly. And that's what makes it the best for what it does.
I would give a slight edge to combat in UNDERDOGS, which is fully physics-based, but sidesteps the issues such combat usually has by adding an extra layer with your virtual arms mirroring your moves exactly and the mech arms doing the damage in a physics-based environment. But the combat in Arkham Shadow is amazing, no doubt about that. Also shoutout to Until You Fall, which takes a smiliar non-physical approach, though it is more abstracted and arcadey.
"It's a proper workout" I feel that right now, I don't need to go to the gym this week my shoulders have been blown to hell and back playing this game! Game footage looks really clean Ben, I thoroughly enjoyed the video.
I am loving the combat, especially when you mix it up a bit with batarang, jumps, etc. Also some people don't seem to realise that you can actually move freely during combat even if you don't really need to.
The original arkham games could always be mostly played as simply mashing the attack button. But to get the best scores, the most xp, and dance the most beautiful dance, you had to introduce all your tools and abilities. This has replicated that so well.
Its fresh and different, and thats what I love. Arkham games have always been about fast timing based attacks, and if Arkham Shadow had your standard VR melee combat, it wouldn't be an Arkham game. They managed to combine both. Time based attacks plus motion controls. It works, and punching guys out is very satisfying. Also keep in mind that combat becomes more dynamic after you've played the game long enough to get the upgrades.
Totally with you here, I am sure that was exactly what the developers intended. And they transformed the formula perfectly into VR. It's a really enjoyable system.
@@x32i77I haven’t played the new Astro Bot game but I’m sure it is incredible.The first Astro Bot game they did on PSVR1 was easily one of the best games on PSVR1
I think a lot of actions and animations need to become a bit more orchestrated and gamified in VR to get rid of the all of the jank that usually comes with free-form movement. Personally (over time) I much rather prefer "playing games in VR" compared to "immersing myself in a janky and worse version of reality through VR" xD
I have to agree Although I like games like B&S, Bonelab and Hard Bullet They get old fast, and can get janky all the time My favorite VR game until now is Assassin's Creed Nexus VR And I just started Batman, and it feels a lot like AC Nexus for me, which is great, that's the type of VR game I like
As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to hand to hand combat, Batman is the best. I'm throwing punches like I mean it, and the haptics and the sound resulting from that and seeing the enemy get their clocked cleaned is tickling that primal spot in my brain that makes it feel good and as close to real as it's going to get in VR.
Now imagine a LOTR Shadow of War VR Game with the EXACT same Combat System and Gameplay formular (maybe open world). Would be so hyped for the finishers and Nemesis duels.
I am SO jealous of people playing this, I have to wait till christmas, stuck on the Quest 2 PCVR atm. It's very hard to avoid spoilers because I cannot stop watching it
First off great video quality, looks far better. Now on to the topic at hand. I know exactly where your coming from Benjo. In other fighting games where you can play freely. I tend to stick to what works. So all my fights are the same against any enemy near enough. Where this yes its a rhythm type game. But it still requires you to hit the right punch and block correctly. It makes you feel more like your engaged in those fights and as said gives you a good work out. Its different and feels good. Your Batman and it can't get any better than that
Agreed, It is a bit one note. It is mutton dressed as lamb. Effectively teleport spam hands and repeat. People will finally come around and see it for what it is. The reality is you can't make physical combat good in VR, be it hands or swords. Guns are the only thing that really works.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Spam hands..? The game is made in that way so mindlessly throwing hands isn't a good strategy. Multiple enemy types and diffrent punch directions keep you on your toes so you can't just punch. Game throws at you armored enemies, stunt batons, knives and shields, only this time you don't have the advantage of seeing the whole room
@@dementrox7612So why can't you grab enemies by their arms and use judo and flip them over your shoulder or throw enemies into other enemies? Like in blade and sorcery? Seems like all you can do is punch...
You're not wrong I own about 200 VR games from Quest 2 to Quest 3 to PlayStation VR one and PlayStation VR 2 and you are not wrong this is the best feeling combat in a game I've ever played
I feel like this was answer to my X comments 😆 it’s a very fair explanation of why you like the combat. I’m glad you can see what some other VR users would have liked. Appreciate the review as I can tell i’d think it was cool but I’d want a free movement and less gamy type combat. Still think it’s cool and it’s a perfect introduction to VR
Literally my favourite VR game right now, this absolutely deserves to be the best VR game of the year! I'm about 3 hours or so into the story and I'm absolutely invested! Also combat is so satisfying 👊🏻😎 I actually ache all over and I'm a sweaty mess after playing 😂😅 some could even say Batman: Arkham Shadow could be the best and most fun VR fitness game 😂🦇 💪🏻
I appreciate that they have developed a new combat style: part boxing part rhythm, in the sense that you have to punch in certain directions. The problem with this is that if I am fighting someone IRL I would not be limited to this. For a game though this style works really well and you have to be on your toes to be successful.
They weren't creating just a fighting game though, they were creating an arkham game, and the arkham combat is what made it so special. They've managed to replicate that flow so well.
@@rugbydan761 that is true and I am glad to see that this worked out so well. It should open the doors for a owing things that otherwise only worked in at games to translate over to VR
YES you stole my comment - i was waiting for Ben to reference it SOMEWHERE in this video, because that is 100% at least a good part of the inspiration in making Shadow. Beyond the combos, the rhythm and necessary precision to keep your combos going feels exactly like Until You Fall does. @BeardoBenjo tell me you've played this! In every other way though it's a beautiful tribute to the Rocksteady Arkham games. Camouflaj should be insanely proud to have pulled this off so well, and I hope we get to see some deep extensions to the game in time. It's not often that I'd say I would pay another $25 (ish) for a good expansion, just a few more hours to see more of Gotham and a different villain. Maybe in time :) @
@@0phylum0sinter0I agree,expansion would be amazing.I’m gonna be devastated when I beat the game and have nothing new to experience.if they don’t do any expansions,I hope they start working on a sequel pretty quickly.they have already mastered the combat.just adding a few new abilities and new parts of Gotham with different enemies would be awesome.make Two-Face,Clayface and Bane as villains
I agree with you on this being the best combat simply because like you said it makes you feel like a bad ass. I could see how VR/MR could help you to even learn how to fight. Imagine having something like AI dynamically show you where to hit someone to immobilize them when being attacked. lol
I played this game and also the "Path of the Warrior" VR game. I somehow slighly prefer the PotW kind of melee combat in VR because it is slightly more freedom there without any marks for me to follow. If anyone likes melee brawler VR game but still on the fence of a USD50 purchase, please take a look at PofW. It is NOT a new though.
First off, the video looks nice. Also, good review on the combat system and the combat mini-game. One update they could offer that would justify having purchasable skins is a combat replay where you rewatch your fight from the 3rd person. Another can be "mini-games" of sorts where you play one of the henchmen or civilians doing tasks or trying to survive when Batman arrives to solve the situation, then you switch over to Batman. Wonder how the mental feeling would go from being a victim of a criminal trying just to survive to then bringing justice to the criminal trying not to put him in the morgue.
i 100% agree the combat is almost perfect for our VR limitation right now. It's kinda like UNTIL YOU FALL which scored highly, B&S combat does not go well with Game progression and only as simulators. I wish there is batclaws though that we can pull thugs and elbow them just like in the flat ver
I totally agree, "guided" combat it's like having a story "on rails": it's not always negative, because it keeps the pacing that the devs intended. Nice tip the Developer Hub, thank you, but... how do you record audio?
I think what you were trying to say is that Batman Arkhem is more of an arcade kind of battle system. More focused on making sure anyone can pick it up and enjoy it without a steep learning curve. While other games often go for realism.
It runs on Quest 2 without any issues whatsoever. It has a really effective dynamic resolution setting to keep everything at smooth 72Hz, the only downside being unreadable small text on faraway goons.
I cant wait to try this out this weekend but it would also be nice to have an option to turn off or minimize the on screen prompts for a more immersive experience. However, being able to use bat tools in conjunction does give it some variety.
Literally, so far, every person that I've seen give this game glowing reviews also happen to be " Meta Brand Ambassadors". For those that don't know, Meta owns Camouflaj, the studio that made this game (they also own Armature Studio, and Twisted Pixel Studio) and have a vested interest in it succeeding. I have the game and, to be blunt it's somewhere okay and good, it's really just a boxing game with a lot of bells and whistles.
I’ve seen some people hating on Batman’s combat because it is mostly QTE but I think it works perfectly for what they were going for.they wanted it to feel like the classic Arkham games and that is exactly what it feels like.I honestly don’t feel like there is anything they could’ve done to make the combat work better than what they have done.if you was constantly just swinging your hands around like in Thrill of The Fight,it wouldn’t be nearly as enjoyable and it definitely wouldn’t feel anything like the classic Arkham games.Batman Arkham Shadow is a VR masterpiece.Camouflaj has truly raised the bar for VR gaming.I have been gaming in VR since the launch of PSVR1 and never have I been so heavily invested in a VR game.if Metro,Behemoth and Alien turn out to be even close to as good as Batman,we will be in for an epic 4th quarter of 2024
That’s actually the first thing I went looking for in the options when I booted up the game, it would be a really cool thing for them to add to appease those who, at the very least, don’t want the big flashing combo markers on the screen
Definitely got some up to date beat ‘em up mechanics for VR. But I feel like Path of the Warrior is a tad bit better but that’s my opinion. Both games are fire 🔥
I'm surprised people are comparing the combat to Blade & Sorcery and Battle Talent when it's nothing like that and everything like Until You Fall (which is way more fun imo).
I bought my meta quest 3 before 2 days. It was action model, 512 gb with batman preinstalled for 297 euros. pretty good deal. i cannot wait till weekend to try all.....
I think the footage looked great. However, I kinda miss the stabilizing that the native capturing does. There's that subtle shake to the footage that sometimes makes it hard to watch VR recordings. With that said, I agree with your stance on this combat. I have so much fun with it because it does feel more arcady, something you accomplish. As opposed to more freeform.
@BeardoBenjo ! Great coverage as always - I was waiting for you to say that Arkham Shadow was gamified, rhythmic and (sort of) unforgiving like Until You Fall is. Tell me you see the similarity, it's the same thing except with melee weapons and every encounter feels like it's against a boss in UYF. Both gems imo!
Awesome moves, but I think it's a shame the combat is "scripted" - you HAVE to do a 3-jabs punch now, you HAVE to do a right hook now, you HAVE to jump at hit down on this guy... I found that really annoying, I wish you could choose your moves yourself, or am I missing something? (just started the game so haven't gotten far :))
Could you consider a Kevin Conroy tribute? Nov 10th marks 2nd anniversary of his death. I got a voice acting background and his voice was an inspiration for me since Batman the Animated Series. I made a tribute to him using the classic BtAS toys with footage from Arkham and Injustice but I don't got ur reach, and he deserves much bigger tribute.
Maybe im jsut not knowleadgeable enough but how would streaming vs local recording affect the quality? Surely as it has to encode it regardless the difference in load and therefore encoding quality would be minimal / not there?
I'm glad it doesn't have blade and sorcery combat the key component to free flow combat is that it flows from enemy to enemy like it does in Arkham shadow so a blade and sorcery combat system wouldn't work and would actually harm the game more than it would benefit it. Throw like 5 enemies in blade and sorcery on the screen and that's infinitely harder than it is in Arkham shadow. You wouldn't feel like batman in that combat but in this combat system u feel like Batman
What settings did you use? I found out that even tho 2k or 4k capture is possible the game is not running well (and the capture too) At least when i try to capture it directly to OBS, do you capture it with the QGDH directly or with OBS? Thanks!
They did the combat very very good. I do think they will in the future bring out the option to free fight toggle. Then both party's will be happy and problem solved
I'm still kicking myself for not getting the 512GB Quest 3. Even though I got Asgard's Wrath 2 free with it, I still haven't played it because it takes up almost half the storage, and I don't want to uninstall a bunch of games to play it. This one is only coming in at about 20GB, but that's still almost 1/4 of available space on the 128GB* Quest 3, so it's going to be difficult to figure out which games I want to uninstall to make space for this one.
I'm kinda sad that I got spoiled by the thumbnail.. Really hope you change this for future videos so a major plot point of a game isn't right in front of you, even if you haven't searched for it and it pops up in your front screen. Still appreciate the vid!
I'm not trying to diminish anything about B:AS, it is absolutely as good as advertised and deserves every accolade that it is getting, but I do think it's interesting that I haven't seen a single text review or youtube video that has mentioned that the combat system shares some similarities to the training montage segments of Creed (also an excellent VR game in its own right) which were probably my favorite part of that game. Both are obviously attempts to gamify rhythm based punching so some similarity is probably inevitable. I'm not suggesting that Camouflaj ripped anything off or that Creed is better or anything, just that both work similarly, feel alike in the moment, and both flood all my dopamine receptors (Creed may even get the edge thanks to the liberal use of the Rocky score during the training segments) in the same way. Anyone else here that played Creed? Am I crazy in finding some overlap there? If nothing else, I just expected someone to use it as a helpful descriptor, something like "If you played Creed and enjoyed the rhythm flow training montages of mini-games, you will find a lot to like here."
Yeah, Batman's combat isn't a true simulator, it meets you halfway. You don't have to be a real martial artist to look good taking out a group of thugs. I think of it like the connection to dance dance revolution and real dancing. You don't need to actually be a good dancer, you just need to have just enough coordination and rhythm to hit the prompts correctly, and then your avatar in-game reacts as if you were really dancing. But that half measure makes all the difference to the immersion, just tapping buttons wouldn't feel nearly as satisfying. I think there's room for both approaches, having a more accurate physical simulation and asking players to get better IRL or accept looking a bit goofy; or the game has you do the basic general movement and the game translates that into a more complex smooth in-game result.
TBH I did not see large difference from this vid and your previous vids. Mostly I watch YT on mobile devices and 1080p is a sweet spot for vid quality and download speed over the mobile data.
I dont like the way that the game punishes you when u throw a "wrong sided punch" that doesnt register. I mean let what ever punch I throw at least land with less dmg.. Other than that the game is awesome and makes u feel like Batman fr
I am just afraid I break my hand again playing this game. Broke my hand once because I punched with my fist and controller into the wall ( european wall ) when playing Creed :D. I just loose sens of my real life enviroment pretty easy in VR :(
the risk of injury is much smaller here than in other melee vr games because of how gamified it is. You don't have to do any crazy moves because the game automatically does it for you.
It just solidifies that the combat in it just isn’t really going to be for me as I don’t want VR to be dumbed down and gamified. I don’t even like using the word “game” anymore for VR, as I want it more and more to be moving towards being a real experience. It almost looks like the Guitar Hero of combat, where as a guitarist, Guitar Hero is nothing like playing a real guitar, which is what I’d prefer to do. In comparison I’m really enjoying the combat in Arizona Sunshine Remake and the freedom it gives to being creative in fighting, from using a hammer, to complete evasion, to gathering all the enemies together and throwing a grenade at them and wiping them all out. If that mechanic was in Batman then for me it would be a better experience. I’m sure it works well for those new to VR or as an introduction to first person combat, but feels a bit like VR with training wheels on.
I understand what you are trying to explain about the combat feeling good to you, but it isn't the best melee combat in VR. There are many other games I've played that have better melee combat than what I am getting in Batman: Arkham Shadow. Where I personally find Batman: Arkham Shadow to shine is on the stealth gameplay. It's overall strength as a game is that it is a well rounded single player story campaign game with stealth, combat and good voice acting / animations piecing it all together. I do agree with you that Batman: Arkham Shadow is something that will be more accessible / enjoyable for many less experienced melee combat players.
@@sneedsfeedandseed1795 The closest to the combo-centric melee combat in Batman that does it better (for me) is Until You Fall. If you go outside of combo-centric melee combat systems then there are a number that use physics based combat like the ones Beardo covered in his video as well some others like Legendary Tales. There are also the brawler / boxing games and stuff like Swordsman VR, Barbaria, Paint the Town Red, and Gorn. The rebuttal isn't that Batman: Arkham Shadow doesn't have good melee combat. It is on the proclamation that it is the best VR (melee) combat which isn't the case to me and based on the basis of this video, to many others as well.
Comparing this to the footage from your Batman review, I prefer your usual technique to be honest (viewed on a 28" 4K monitor). The scale on this looks wrong to me, like everything is vertically compressed. The footage from your review gave me what I assume is a more representative view of what you see from the headset, with my only criticism being that in both captures it looked a bit like you were looking up towards the ceiling the whole time (even in combat) or your height was set too tall. A bit worse In the review footage, where characters you fought were just shoulders and head at the bottom of the screen when close. Maybe you just need to tuck your chin when punching on.
I don't get all these positive comments 😂 - for me Batman is max on a step with AC:Nexus. A game that no one will ever talk about when the Quest 4 will arrive in 2025/26. The resolution is bad, the graphics very limited, the levels/tunnels have no variation, the combat systems feel like a arcady stupid mini game (punishing at numbers???😅) ...you can only deside the direction which enemy (which look all the same😢) you beat next. ...it's a 7 out of 10😅
Would be the best if blade and sorcery/bonelab didn't exist as phisics based is the best yes ive played through batman arkham shadow and tbh i agree with the devs dicison to not do phisics based as batmans combat is great for batman as he has a fighting style and ur supposed to fight like batman but i would not want batmans combat to be standard the standard shpuld be phisics based in vr
What you're talking about at the 9:40 mark is exactly why I prefer the combat in something like Until You Fall over Blade and Sorcery. Or with a boxing game, Knockout League over Creed. Different approach. One tries to be more 1:1 and physics based and the other is having your motions trigger animations instead. It comes across less janky and comedic which can be one of the drawbacks of VR combat design.
I can see where you're coming from! Not personally my fav combat, but I appreciate hearing your take on it all and explaining your mindset for why you said what you said! Good explanation (not that you need to defend your opinion anyway but still fun to hear.) A bit of a sidenote but for me this game doesn't translate to flat screen at all for viewers. Like watching people fight in this is really boring, whereas watching people fight in blade n sorcery is almost always entertaining.
don't watch people play，just play the game by yourself，Batman is much more fun than the blade and sorcery kind of fights that are full of lag because of the overemphasis on physics, Batman is a real designed game action mechanic, bladeand sorcery is just a physics simulator
@@sdaskg9424 I like to watch people play. I was just stating a sidenote I found interesting. And personally I disagree as 'more fun' is based on ones opinion but I'm glad you love it more! To each their own! I think batman is fun af but personally not as much as b&s (especially with mods but I guess that's not completely relevant). Although after saying that....to be honest I'm not sure I would even say I like one more than the other, as I crave both types of gameplay at different times; I guess what I SHOULD say is they both dominant in their intended game style. Both are equally fun in what they are offering the player; similar to how sometimes I prefer the gunplay of arizona sunshine and other times I want to play re8 or re4. I dunno, sorry for writing such a big reply. I guess I mainly was just enjoying how BB explained his reasoning for liking batmans combat more. it made sense to me.
I have done a ton of VR for almost 10 years and yes this is the very best combat for a game using this style. What people don't get is it mirrors the flat Arkham games exactly. And that's what makes it the best for what it does.
I would give a slight edge to combat in UNDERDOGS, which is fully physics-based, but sidesteps the issues such combat usually has by adding an extra layer with your virtual arms mirroring your moves exactly and the mech arms doing the damage in a physics-based environment.
But the combat in Arkham Shadow is amazing, no doubt about that.
Also shoutout to Until You Fall, which takes a smiliar non-physical approach, though it is more abstracted and arcadey.
Agreed I do not want batman combat in every game I want more phisics based in most games
"It's a proper workout" I feel that right now, I don't need to go to the gym this week my shoulders have been blown to hell and back playing this game! Game footage looks really clean Ben, I thoroughly enjoyed the video.
Same man, I'm getting wrist weights just to add to the workout doing the combat challenges 💪
I am loving the combat, especially when you mix it up a bit with batarang, jumps, etc.
Also some people don't seem to realise that you can actually move freely during combat even if you don't really need to.
The original arkham games could always be mostly played as simply mashing the attack button. But to get the best scores, the most xp, and dance the most beautiful dance, you had to introduce all your tools and abilities. This has replicated that so well.
So why you're not able to use any judo or grab anyone by their limbs or flip them above your shoulder? Seems like all you can do is punch...
@@PopsiCOLE You can punch them, jump over them and use your gadgets on them too, I think it's quite complete.
Its fresh and different, and thats what I love. Arkham games have always been about fast timing based attacks, and if Arkham Shadow had your standard VR melee combat, it wouldn't be an Arkham game. They managed to combine both. Time based attacks plus motion controls. It works, and punching guys out is very satisfying. Also keep in mind that combat becomes more dynamic after you've played the game long enough to get the upgrades.
Totally with you here, I am sure that was exactly what the developers intended. And they transformed the formula perfectly into VR. It's a really enjoyable system.
I would say Arkham Shadows is not only the best VR game I have ever played but is hands down my game of the year.
Yeah
Also Metro, Ember Souls, Behemoth and Aliens are coming
So the best 2024 games for me are all VR, I am glad I picked up a Quest 3
Astro Bot is game of the year for me
The walking dead is on par with Arkham , gathering supplies out smarting zombies, setting traps feels like I’m in an episode.
@@boomboombaby9140I still enjoy playing WD S&S
Classic game and would love a chapter 3
@@x32i77I haven’t played the new Astro Bot game but I’m sure it is incredible.The first Astro Bot game they did on PSVR1 was easily one of the best games on PSVR1
I love how impactful the hits seem
I think a lot of actions and animations need to become a bit more orchestrated and gamified in VR to get rid of the all of the jank that usually comes with free-form movement. Personally (over time) I much rather prefer "playing games in VR" compared to "immersing myself in a janky and worse version of reality through VR" xD
I have to agree
Although I like games like B&S, Bonelab and Hard Bullet
They get old fast, and can get janky all the time
My favorite VR game until now is Assassin's Creed Nexus VR
And I just started Batman, and it feels a lot like AC Nexus for me, which is great, that's the type of VR game I like
Sounds like you'd enjoy Until You Fall.
I'm realizing this too. I love the idea of freeform but the execution isn’t always there.
@@KingKlearThat's what the combat really reminds me of.
As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to hand to hand combat, Batman is the best. I'm throwing punches like I mean it, and the haptics and the sound resulting from that and seeing the enemy get their clocked cleaned is tickling that primal spot in my brain that makes it feel good and as close to real as it's going to get in VR.
So are you able to grab anyone? You some judo and flip them over your shoulder or anything like that? Seems like all you can do is punch...
Now imagine a LOTR Shadow of War VR Game with the EXACT same Combat System and Gameplay formular (maybe open world). Would be so hyped for the finishers and Nemesis duels.
Wow yeah shadow of war has the best combat system ever made by far
No, it doesn't have the best combat of every VR game but it certainly has a pretty cool combat
I am SO jealous of people playing this, I have to wait till christmas, stuck on the Quest 2 PCVR atm. It's very hard to avoid spoilers because I cannot stop watching it
Never noticed that other creators recordings looked better.
The game looks cool. Ill add to my wishlist and buy at a sale.
First off great video quality, looks far better. Now on to the topic at hand. I know exactly where your coming from Benjo. In other fighting games where you can play freely. I tend to stick to what works. So all my fights are the same against any enemy near enough. Where this yes its a rhythm type game. But it still requires you to hit the right punch and block correctly. It makes you feel more like your engaged in those fights and as said gives you a good work out. Its different and feels good. Your Batman and it can't get any better than that
Well... it's a fancy boxing game.....
Agreed, It is a bit one note. It is mutton dressed as lamb. Effectively teleport spam hands and repeat. People will finally come around and see it for what it is. The reality is you can't make physical combat good in VR, be it hands or swords. Guns are the only thing that really works.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA Spam hands..? The game is made in that way so mindlessly throwing hands isn't a good strategy. Multiple enemy types and diffrent punch directions keep you on your toes so you can't just punch. Game throws at you armored enemies, stunt batons, knives and shields, only this time you don't have the advantage of seeing the whole room
@@dementrox7612So why can't you grab enemies by their arms and use judo and flip them over your shoulder or throw enemies into other enemies? Like in blade and sorcery? Seems like all you can do is punch...
You're not wrong I own about 200 VR games from Quest 2 to Quest 3 to PlayStation VR one and PlayStation VR 2 and you are not wrong this is the best feeling combat in a game I've ever played
I LOOOOOVE this game so much!!! Great video!
I feel like this was answer to my X comments 😆 it’s a very fair explanation of why you like the combat. I’m glad you can see what some other VR users would have liked. Appreciate the review as I can tell i’d think it was cool but I’d want a free movement and less gamy type combat. Still think it’s cool and it’s a perfect introduction to VR
Literally my favourite VR game right now, this absolutely deserves to be the best VR game of the year! I'm about 3 hours or so into the story and I'm absolutely invested! Also combat is so satisfying 👊🏻😎 I actually ache all over and I'm a sweaty mess after playing 😂😅 some could even say Batman: Arkham Shadow could be the best and most fun VR fitness game 😂🦇 💪🏻
Completely with you on this! Different game mechanics for different feeling. Imagine mortal kombat with no combo option... would not be the same game
I appreciate that they have developed a new combat style: part boxing part rhythm, in the sense that you have to punch in certain directions. The problem with this is that if I am fighting someone IRL I would not be limited to this. For a game though this style works really well and you have to be on your toes to be successful.
They weren't creating just a fighting game though, they were creating an arkham game, and the arkham combat is what made it so special. They've managed to replicate that flow so well.
@@rugbydan761 that is true and I am glad to see that this worked out so well. It should open the doors for a owing things that otherwise only worked in at games to translate over to VR
Best game on a standalone so far. Gameplay, Graphics and you are right they nailed the combat 🥳🥳🥳
It's Until You Fall with detective gameplay
It's like training in Creed fighting VR with detected gameplay, with the floating orbs and such
Not really
YES you stole my comment - i was waiting for Ben to reference it SOMEWHERE in this video, because that is 100% at least a good part of the inspiration in making Shadow. Beyond the combos, the rhythm and necessary precision to keep your combos going feels exactly like Until You Fall does. @BeardoBenjo tell me you've played this!
In every other way though it's a beautiful tribute to the Rocksteady Arkham games. Camouflaj should be insanely proud to have pulled this off so well, and I hope we get to see some deep extensions to the game in time. It's not often that I'd say I would pay another $25 (ish) for a good expansion, just a few more hours to see more of Gotham and a different villain. Maybe in time :)
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@@0phylum0sinter0I agree,expansion would be amazing.I’m gonna be devastated when I beat the game and have nothing new to experience.if they don’t do any expansions,I hope they start working on a sequel pretty quickly.they have already mastered the combat.just adding a few new abilities and new parts of Gotham with different enemies would be awesome.make Two-Face,Clayface and Bane as villains
@@0phylum0sinter0 I think some of the combat is also inspired by creed
I agree with you on this being the best combat simply because like you said it makes you feel like a bad ass. I could see how VR/MR could help you to even learn how to fight. Imagine having something like AI dynamically show you where to hit someone to immobilize them when being attacked. lol
I played this game and also the "Path of the Warrior" VR game. I somehow slighly prefer the PotW kind of melee combat in VR because it is slightly more freedom there without any marks for me to follow. If anyone likes melee brawler VR game but still on the fence of a USD50 purchase, please take a look at PofW. It is NOT a new though.
say what you want beardo. The batman game does look like fun and I think the video capture looks good.
A video on how you setup your new method of recording would be sweet
First off, the video looks nice. Also, good review on the combat system and the combat mini-game.
One update they could offer that would justify having purchasable skins is a combat replay where you rewatch your fight from the 3rd person. Another can be "mini-games" of sorts where you play one of the henchmen or civilians doing tasks or trying to survive when Batman arrives to solve the situation, then you switch over to Batman. Wonder how the mental feeling would go from being a victim of a criminal trying just to survive to then bringing justice to the criminal trying not to put him in the morgue.
i 100% agree the combat is almost perfect for our VR limitation right now. It's kinda like UNTIL YOU FALL which scored highly, B&S combat does not go well with Game progression and only as simulators. I wish there is batclaws though that we can pull thugs and elbow them just like in the flat ver
i haven’t done it myself yet but i’m pretty sure if you use the grapple button on an enemy you can pull them towards you
I totally agree, "guided" combat it's like having a story "on rails": it's not always negative, because it keeps the pacing that the devs intended. Nice tip the Developer Hub, thank you, but... how do you record audio?
I think what you were trying to say is that Batman Arkhem is more of an arcade kind of battle system. More focused on making sure anyone can pick it up and enjoy it without a steep learning curve. While other games often go for realism.
They said in their q and a that more maps are coming and that they didn’t suits because not many used different suits in Iron man
It runs on Quest 2 without any issues whatsoever. It has a really effective dynamic resolution setting to keep everything at smooth 72Hz, the only downside being unreadable small text on faraway goons.
I cant wait to try this out this weekend but it would also be nice to have an option to turn off or minimize the on screen prompts for a more immersive experience. However, being able to use bat tools in conjunction does give it some variety.
I love the combat as well. I do wish they let you use pipes, bats, tazers, whatever to improvise your attacks a bit more
Literally, so far, every person that I've seen give this game glowing reviews also happen to be " Meta Brand Ambassadors". For those that don't know, Meta owns Camouflaj, the studio that made this game (they also own Armature Studio, and Twisted Pixel Studio) and have a vested interest in it succeeding. I have the game and, to be blunt it's somewhere okay and good, it's really just a boxing game with a lot of bells and whistles.
Knowing this really helps. Thanks. Knowing who people are is so important these days.
I really disliked the guided combat system. The game seemed very nice, but the combat system was not doing it for me.
This game is amazing! Come and get these Batman hand!!!!
I’ve seen some people hating on Batman’s combat because it is mostly QTE but I think it works perfectly for what they were going for.they wanted it to feel like the classic Arkham games and that is exactly what it feels like.I honestly don’t feel like there is anything they could’ve done to make the combat work better than what they have done.if you was constantly just swinging your hands around like in Thrill of The Fight,it wouldn’t be nearly as enjoyable and it definitely wouldn’t feel anything like the classic Arkham games.Batman Arkham Shadow is a VR masterpiece.Camouflaj has truly raised the bar for VR gaming.I have been gaming in VR since the launch of PSVR1 and never have I been so heavily invested in a VR game.if Metro,Behemoth and Alien turn out to be even close to as good as Batman,we will be in for an epic 4th quarter of 2024
Hmm. You could say the same regarding FPS then. Some are arcade like, and some are ultra realistic. Definitely get what ur saying Brother!
Cinematic capture for sure looks loads better, I get a headache watching low FOV VR flat recordings.
Hm. I got your point. But it would be nice to have a switch that disables assist, I guess? Lets you have more freedom to string you own combos.
That’s actually the first thing I went looking for in the options when I booted up the game, it would be a really cool thing for them to add to appease those who, at the very least, don’t want the big flashing combo markers on the screen
I think walking dead or resident evil 4 have the best combat. The combat style for arkham feels busy and more like beatsaber or something
Definitely got some up to date beat ‘em up mechanics for VR. But I feel like Path of the Warrior is a tad bit better but that’s my opinion. Both games are fire 🔥
I'm surprised people are comparing the combat to Blade & Sorcery and Battle Talent when it's nothing like that and everything like Until You Fall (which is way more fun imo).
Yes, just like last years assassin's creed Nexus, this is the best VR adaptation from flat screen title!
I bought my meta quest 3 before 2 days. It was action model, 512 gb with batman preinstalled for 297 euros. pretty good deal. i cannot wait till weekend to try all.....
Anyone else notice the batman 89 theme at times!?
It is quite a workout , I had to stop every 30 min since the fighting is so intense sometimes if you don't know everything
Yup!
I think the footage looked great. However, I kinda miss the stabilizing that the native capturing does. There's that subtle shake to the footage that sometimes makes it hard to watch VR recordings.
With that said, I agree with your stance on this combat. I have so much fun with it because it does feel more arcady, something you accomplish. As opposed to more freeform.
It is the best combat in VR. Period
Looks really boring and repetitive
Hopefully the next time it’s simulation it looks so restrictive
@BeardoBenjo ! Great coverage as always - I was waiting for you to say that Arkham Shadow was gamified, rhythmic and (sort of) unforgiving like Until You Fall is. Tell me you see the similarity, it's the same thing except with melee weapons and every encounter feels like it's against a boss in UYF. Both gems imo!
I want a superhero combat exercise app that does this
Watching beardo swing seems like no effort is needed to land hits. Would be nice to have to hit with intent for hits to register.
Do you guys use the R thumbstick to turn? Or you prefer use your own head/torso to turn?
wondering how you felt about the new recording method in the end, looks pretty good but I'm no content aficionado, mostly come in for the thoughts
I haven't got this game yet, am I really missing out?
Yes
Adam West full spandex armor vs current. I wonder where you would keep your smoke bombs? 😂
Awesome moves, but I think it's a shame the combat is "scripted" - you HAVE to do a 3-jabs punch now, you HAVE to do a right hook now, you HAVE to jump at hit down on this guy... I found that really annoying, I wish you could choose your moves yourself, or am I missing something? (just started the game so haven't gotten far :))
Could you consider a Kevin Conroy tribute? Nov 10th marks 2nd anniversary of his death. I got a voice acting background and his voice was an inspiration for me since Batman the Animated Series. I made a tribute to him using the classic BtAS toys with footage from Arkham and Injustice but I don't got ur reach, and he deserves much bigger tribute.
your video is pretty cool. such a brilliant idea to use the toys
Maybe im jsut not knowleadgeable enough but how would streaming vs local recording affect the quality? Surely as it has to encode it regardless the difference in load and therefore encoding quality would be minimal / not there?
i want to play this so bad
I'm glad it doesn't have blade and sorcery combat the key component to free flow combat is that it flows from enemy to enemy like it does in Arkham shadow so a blade and sorcery combat system wouldn't work and would actually harm the game more than it would benefit it. Throw like 5 enemies in blade and sorcery on the screen and that's infinitely harder than it is in Arkham shadow. You wouldn't feel like batman in that combat but in this combat system u feel like Batman
What settings did you use? I found out that even tho 2k or 4k capture is possible the game is not running well (and the capture too) At least when i try to capture it directly to OBS, do you capture it with the QGDH directly or with OBS? Thanks!
meta quest developer hub looks wayyy better
They did the combat very very good. I do think they will in the future bring out the option to free fight toggle. Then both party's will be happy and problem solved
What is your face cover for quest 3 ?
I'm still kicking myself for not getting the 512GB Quest 3. Even though I got Asgard's Wrath 2 free with it, I still haven't played it because it takes up almost half the storage, and I don't want to uninstall a bunch of games to play it. This one is only coming in at about 20GB, but that's still almost 1/4 of available space on the 128GB* Quest 3, so it's going to be difficult to figure out which games I want to uninstall to make space for this one.
I'm kinda sad that I got spoiled by the thumbnail.. Really hope you change this for future videos so a major plot point of a game isn't right in front of you, even if you haven't searched for it and it pops up in your front screen. Still appreciate the vid!
I'm not trying to diminish anything about B:AS, it is absolutely as good as advertised and deserves every accolade that it is getting, but I do think it's interesting that I haven't seen a single text review or youtube video that has mentioned that the combat system shares some similarities to the training montage segments of Creed (also an excellent VR game in its own right) which were probably my favorite part of that game.
Both are obviously attempts to gamify rhythm based punching so some similarity is probably inevitable.
I'm not suggesting that Camouflaj ripped anything off or that Creed is better or anything, just that both work similarly, feel alike in the moment, and both flood all my dopamine receptors (Creed may even get the edge thanks to the liberal use of the Rocky score during the training segments) in the same way.
Anyone else here that played Creed? Am I crazy in finding some overlap there? If nothing else, I just expected someone to use it as a helpful descriptor, something like "If you played Creed and enjoyed the rhythm flow training montages of mini-games, you will find a lot to like here."
Hi Bearbo this or Metro on steam ? there can only be one lol
The only issue is that it gets super repetitive
Looks like Sony is having an even harder time justifying why its VR headset still needs a tether…
I don't think it does the game tells u what combos to throw VR is about freedom of choice this is dance dance revolution punching
Yeah, Batman's combat isn't a true simulator, it meets you halfway. You don't have to be a real martial artist to look good taking out a group of thugs. I think of it like the connection to dance dance revolution and real dancing. You don't need to actually be a good dancer, you just need to have just enough coordination and rhythm to hit the prompts correctly, and then your avatar in-game reacts as if you were really dancing. But that half measure makes all the difference to the immersion, just tapping buttons wouldn't feel nearly as satisfying. I think there's room for both approaches, having a more accurate physical simulation and asking players to get better IRL or accept looking a bit goofy; or the game has you do the basic general movement and the game translates that into a more complex smooth in-game result.
Hi Beardo
record this way
TBH I did not see large difference from this vid and your previous vids. Mostly I watch YT on mobile devices and 1080p is a sweet spot for vid quality and download speed over the mobile data.
Please i need game key i beg you!
Wish graphics was better
I dont like the way that the game punishes you when u throw a "wrong sided punch" that doesnt register. I mean let what ever punch I throw at least land with less dmg.. Other than that the game is awesome and makes u feel like Batman fr
The resolution looks good, not the framerate though
Until you fall looks better
It would be if you wouldnt fight the air in front of the enemies...
I am just afraid I break my hand again playing this game. Broke my hand once because I punched with my fist and controller into the wall ( european wall ) when playing Creed :D. I just loose sens of my real life enviroment pretty easy in VR :(
the risk of injury is much smaller here than in other melee vr games because of how gamified it is. You don't have to do any crazy moves because the game automatically does it for you.
It just solidifies that the combat in it just isn’t really going to be for me as I don’t want VR to be dumbed down and gamified. I don’t even like using the word “game” anymore for VR, as I want it more and more to be moving towards being a real experience. It almost looks like the Guitar Hero of combat, where as a guitarist, Guitar Hero is nothing like playing a real guitar, which is what I’d prefer to do. In comparison I’m really enjoying the combat in Arizona Sunshine Remake and the freedom it gives to being creative in fighting, from using a hammer, to complete evasion, to gathering all the enemies together and throwing a grenade at them and wiping them all out. If that mechanic was in Batman then for me it would be a better experience. I’m sure it works well for those new to VR or as an introduction to first person combat, but feels a bit like VR with training wheels on.
I understand what you are trying to explain about the combat feeling good to you, but it isn't the best melee combat in VR. There are many other games I've played that have better melee combat than what I am getting in Batman: Arkham Shadow. Where I personally find Batman: Arkham Shadow to shine is on the stealth gameplay. It's overall strength as a game is that it is a well rounded single player story campaign game with stealth, combat and good voice acting / animations piecing it all together.
I do agree with you that Batman: Arkham Shadow is something that will be more accessible / enjoyable for many less experienced melee combat players.
Such as?
@@sneedsfeedandseed1795 The closest to the combo-centric melee combat in Batman that does it better (for me) is Until You Fall.
If you go outside of combo-centric melee combat systems then there are a number that use physics based combat like the ones Beardo covered in his video as well some others like Legendary Tales.
There are also the brawler / boxing games and stuff like Swordsman VR, Barbaria, Paint the Town Red, and Gorn.
The rebuttal isn't that Batman: Arkham Shadow doesn't have good melee combat. It is on the proclamation that it is the best VR (melee) combat which isn't the case to me and based on the basis of this video, to many others as well.
@@cusman yeah, I don’t agree. Batman is by miles better than any of those games
@@sneedsfeedandseed1795 Then I am going to assume pretty confidently that you haven't played all those other games 🤠
Comparing this to the footage from your Batman review, I prefer your usual technique to be honest (viewed on a 28" 4K monitor). The scale on this looks wrong to me, like everything is vertically compressed. The footage from your review gave me what I assume is a more representative view of what you see from the headset, with my only criticism being that in both captures it looked a bit like you were looking up towards the ceiling the whole time (even in combat) or your height was set too tall. A bit worse In the review footage, where characters you fought were just shoulders and head at the bottom of the screen when close. Maybe you just need to tuck your chin when punching on.
I like the game but it’s not on ps5 and it’s not on Xbox series and this game is only available on some strange console that I don’t know of
The video looks good, the game too😅
Bababaam... :D
But the game chooses what you do
I don't get all these positive comments 😂 - for me Batman is max on a step with AC:Nexus. A game that no one will ever talk about when the Quest 4 will arrive in 2025/26. The resolution is bad, the graphics very limited, the levels/tunnels have no variation, the combat systems feel like a arcady stupid mini game (punishing at numbers???😅) ...you can only deside the direction which enemy (which look all the same😢) you beat next. ...it's a 7 out of 10😅
Would be the best if blade and sorcery/bonelab didn't exist as phisics based is the best yes ive played through batman arkham shadow and tbh i agree with the devs dicison to not do phisics based as batmans combat is great for batman as he has a fighting style and ur supposed to fight like batman but i would not want batmans combat to be standard the standard shpuld be phisics based in vr
A hybrid of batmans combat and phisics based like blade and sorcery could be interesting
What you're talking about at the 9:40 mark is exactly why I prefer the combat in something like Until You Fall over Blade and Sorcery. Or with a boxing game, Knockout League over Creed. Different approach. One tries to be more 1:1 and physics based and the other is having your motions trigger animations instead. It comes across less janky and comedic which can be one of the drawbacks of VR combat design.
Camouflaj Nailed
The game is brilliant
No, but resident evil 4 remake for the PlayStation 4 VR does!! 😊
Have heroic but scripted combat. So so. Best combat still have hellsplit arena
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I can see where you're coming from! Not personally my fav combat, but I appreciate hearing your take on it all and explaining your mindset for why you said what you said! Good explanation (not that you need to defend your opinion anyway but still fun to hear.)
A bit of a sidenote but for me this game doesn't translate to flat screen at all for viewers. Like watching people fight in this is really boring, whereas watching people fight in blade n sorcery is almost always entertaining.
don't watch people play，just play the game by yourself，Batman is much more fun than the blade and sorcery kind of fights that are full of lag because of the overemphasis on physics, Batman is a real designed game action mechanic, bladeand sorcery is just a physics simulator
@@sdaskg9424 I like to watch people play. I was just stating a sidenote I found interesting.
And personally I disagree as 'more fun' is based on ones opinion but I'm glad you love it more! To each their own! I think batman is fun af but personally not as much as b&s (especially with mods but I guess that's not completely relevant). Although after saying that....to be honest I'm not sure I would even say I like one more than the other, as I crave both types of gameplay at different times; I guess what I SHOULD say is they both dominant in their intended game style. Both are equally fun in what they are offering the player; similar to how sometimes I prefer the gunplay of arizona sunshine and other times I want to play re8 or re4.
I dunno, sorry for writing such a big reply. I guess I mainly was just enjoying how BB explained his reasoning for liking batmans combat more. it made sense to me.