First time viewers and new follower please dont be shy to comment. Off topic questions are always welcome. Maybe you want to see how to install something or you have a click clack noise that has nothing to do with throttle adjustment. Ask here because someone else will or my learn something. Sometimes you see a tip or method that will apply to your DIY fix. Thanks to all the Guys and Gals that follow this channel. Zombie Dave
I couldn’t start mine either. Did all the checks on the spark plug, filters, gas, etc. As a last resort i changed out the carb with an $18 Amazon kit and it started on the first pull. Now we’ll see how long that carb lasts. The first one only went two years.
Actually SoCal, if you got 2 years out of your saw and never had to replace the metering diaphragm you did really well for yourself. Ethanol fuel makes them hard and they get stuck in the up or down position. Down is what makes the crankcase flood with fuel and up makes it not run well or not at all. You did well and got out of it pretty inexpensively. Good job and your first beer is on me. 🍺
@@ZombieDaveAZ Really? Thanks for that knowledge. It is actually my first chainsaw and I used it quite a bit last winter. It sits mostly idle in the warm Georgia summer. We’re only two years homesteading so we have a learning curve we’re going through. I also have a 72cc Farmmac I use for making my own boards on a homemade chainsaw mill. I really love working with our own fallen trees and turning them into useful items. The feedback was much appreciated. Thank you again.
I have one of these saws and at first it got to bogging and stalling out and running lean. I had to constantly keep the trigger moving to keep it running. I quit using it and used the Huskvarna. So after sitting a while it will not even start today. The plug is firing and it does have good compression so it about has to be a stopped up carb.
How about same saw. Cutting with it perfectly. Ran out gas. Filled it up, now wont start. I noticed when pushing on primer bulb it would collaspe and excessively slow would fill back up. Like 6 seconds. I noticed air cleaner was lose. Can i blow air through primer line, or will this damage carb
Hey Thomas. It actually sounds like slow flow to the carb. Start with fuel filter then the screen inside the carb. Prolly clogged partially a long the way. That's what I would do brother.
I don't blame you. I rebuilt automatic transmissions for a living, actually had my own shop for 40 years until I retired 6 years ago. Got so bad, you know these trans. are crap anymore and people would come in with a 4 wheel drive truck with 100,000 miles on it and would want you to pull it out and tear it down and just fix what is broken, not what is about to break. Then they would want to take off with it and then when something happens to it they say so and so just fixed 3 weeks ago. To top that off they would want a warranty on it. Not me, I had a great business that would let me build it right the first time. That guy was just trying to play you for sure.
Dave Ackerman 1967. Did you see in the comments where the owner wanted it to look like nothing was touched so he could get a new one. For this guy 'dude' in spanish is El Cheapo! I think he is all butt hurt cuz I have not heard back from him.
I did that to an old Honda street bike long ago in galaxy quest far away. Dude in spanglish, is it EL dude? Chris Farley translated El Nino as simply: " THE Nino"...
Anybody else notice the crushed kill wire from the owners reassembly? I have another video of that happening on a weedwacker that actually grounded out the coil when reassembled by someone else that rebuilt the pull starter. Just an FYI.
Put an 8 dollar kit in the carb and charge him 100 dollars and that part in your hand is actually the fuel pump in the carb and the other side is the metering diaphragm
Stephen harris you are absolutely correct Stephen. Not sure if I called the pump side the metering side so maybe I stand corrected. Im good with that👍 I did say that the straw that broke the camels back is that the metering diaphragm was leaning on the lever releasing pressure on the needle and seat and allowed the gas to enter the crankcase via the carb.
@@ZombieDaveAZ Those spiral diaphragms from Walbro are supposed to be the last one you put in.a stainless steel spiral holds its shape and a clear thin membrane seals it.The kit comes with a special lever that you have to use but they make the assembly easy. Watch the Walbro spiral diaphragm video on TH-cam. It will blow your mind!
Hello again ZD, My uncle just purchased an Echo CS-400 from a local box store. I will be the person using it on his property. I unboxed it today and noticed the muffler nuts paint was coming off from being started, ran and smell of gas in gas tank. There is a little oil residue in the primer bulb but no gas. Is this from the factory testing or a returned saw? Once again Thank You for your superior knowledge ZD! Darin
You can get them from Amazon. Type in Echo cs400 and then choose which one you want. A new carb, plug, filter fuel lines etc is about 30 bucks. Or you can get original for just over $40. You choose. Good luck Sean.
@@ZombieDaveAZ Oh ok. I guess I missed that. Thank you for the reply! Also, great video. I picked up a CS-400 yesterday and it's only got a couple hours on it. I found the original receipt in the box, it's a year old. Too bad they don't do transferable warranties!
Bruce Pender He got the saw back this morning and he says he's taking it back to Home Depot for a new one. That's why he wouldn't spend the money on the new parts. Lol!
Bruce Pender not sure if it sat with fuel in it. I do know he bought it used so Im not sure if they would honor a return on used. Carb kits are part of ownership and maintaining it. no? Im sure this is a 'To Be Continued saga. Have a great weekend.
is he crazy because he just fucked his saw up by doing that. if your repair guy says it needs to be replaced or whatever u normally listen because otherwise u have this happen.
Just get an entire cheap Chinese aftermarket carb from eBay, I've used them in my Echo equipment and they work fine. Too much hassle cleaning and rebuilding
Nick, this guy wanted to give it back to home depot and get a new one. I found that out later. Thats why he wanted me to undo what he did and not repair it.
At the motorcycle shop where I work we use duplicate "carbonless" copy work orders for everything. We write down compression readings (EVERY engine gets checked before going further because ya can't tune away a fried top end) and when a customer declines a repair we note "customer declined xxxx". My boss keeps his copies for self-defense and future reference because customers are often dishonest, retarded, or both. It's also handy for maintenance history.
I give my customers their copy and dated. Any notations are made on the back of "their" work order. It is "their" responsibility to show me the work order for any warranty work. If they dont have it,its treated like a new intake and the meter starts running. If a customer says it runs great it just needs a pull starter, it is noted on the intake as a non-runner. Pull starter can be installed,charged and returned with the balance due even if it does not run. I hate those kind of guys. I sometimes tell customers to find a new mechanic. Thanks for commenting. Keep it up.👍
I would NOT, put it back together, till u show him. Make sure he agrees you need to put carb kit in and totally drain crankcase. It's going to need to be run after work is done just to get all that fuel out. But while it's all open bring piston to top and empty crankcase of all that, I'm assuming, fuel. Then maybe allow to evaporate any remaining fuel. Not positive, but that should clear most of flooded systems. I'm sure any expert watching may agree.. But don't reassemble and let him try wastefully. That's just being mean.
Peter Ford I couldnt agree more Pete. I am not a mean spirited guy BUT this guy made his own bed. he Insisted NO PARTS! BY the way. shops here in Tucson are famous for giving your machine back in a box. I hate that! .Thanks for the comment Pete,I appreciate you taking the time. 👍
ulitepilot aka Zombie Dave I understand, but an 8 buck gaskets kit wouldn't kill him if it runs after. But I'd have said, sorry, I'm not gonna waste your money to analyze problem and not do what it needs. Guaranteed, he'd be back in ten minutes saying,,, do what you gotta.
ulitepilot aka Zombie Dave Does sound like he needs to read the manual. Loads of people thinking all they have to do is buy tools and suddenly they're in business. I do appreciate your feelings. I'm the same mind set. But you wanna have some empathy, deserved or not. Good luck.
Peter Ford I still agree with you. I guess you just have to know the customer. Maybe Ill do a video on his hc-150. Then you would know him. runs it all day no air filter or cover. $11 is worth it to him. Thanks again and you are right.
Peter Ford. I found out why he wanted it all cleaned and original parts left on it. He says he is taking it back to Home Depot for a new one. lol. To be Continued.
Would you would rather 1) "teach this guy a lesson" he won't even understand. or 2) Grow your business with good service, and communication? He will pay you to fix his saw only to have it returned in non working condition. He will feel ripped off, and tell your potential future customers about his bad experience. I understand your point of view. But the ONLY reason I understand it is because you showed me. If you showed him, instead of all of TH-cam, he would understand. You communicated very clearly with everyone in the world with internet access instead of the 1 person who you should have. I do understand your frustration, I work with the public too. But do what is best for your business.
You are right! Straight and to point, you are right. Im not sure if you read through the comments because upon return of his saw I showed him this video. His reason for NOT letting me fix it was to return it to Home Depot and get a New saw. If it was running then Home Depot would not trade out the saw. Basically he just wanted me to put it back together to undo what he had done the night before. You are correct on your point. No arguement from me.
How about a customer that would pay to fix his equipment instead of having me put it back together so he can return it to Home Depot for a whole new saw? It only needed a carb kit.
What does a carb kit cost,like $15 bucks tops? Even if all he wanted was for you to put it back the way it was before he messed it up, that's what he payed you for. Instead you make a video showing how the customer flooded the carburetor and making fun of him because he doesn't speak English well. It's literally your job to fix whatever is wrong with something. I seriously hope you're not still repairing small engines because I wouldn't take my equipment to an incompetent racist bigot. Forget the customer, you just showed everyone how ignorant you are.
OR the fact that he wanted it put back together so he could try to get a free replacement from Home Depot? Your oponion is your own. This guy should have said fix it cuz he messed it up. End of story. Racist? Bigot? You make me laff. I hope your landscaper doesnt try to rip you off like this guy. Peace amigo.
First time viewers and new follower please dont be shy to comment. Off topic questions are always welcome. Maybe you want to see how to install something or you have a click clack noise that has nothing to do with throttle adjustment. Ask here because someone else will or my learn something. Sometimes you see a tip or method that will apply to your DIY fix. Thanks to all the Guys and Gals that follow this channel. Zombie Dave
ulitepilot aka Zombie Dave do you know where to get one of those carbs from I live in California my name is Ernie
Hi Ernie. Most any carb is going to be available from amazon. Thats where I get 99% of my parts. They are dirt cheap. $15 or under usually.
ulitepilot aka Zombie Dave thanks for the info Dave have a good day
You too buddy.
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I couldn’t start mine either. Did all the checks on the spark plug, filters, gas, etc. As a last resort i changed out the carb with an $18 Amazon kit and it started on the first pull. Now we’ll see how long that carb lasts. The first one only went two years.
Actually SoCal, if you got 2 years out of your saw and never had to replace the metering diaphragm you did really well for yourself. Ethanol fuel makes them hard and they get stuck in the up or down position. Down is what makes the crankcase flood with fuel and up makes it not run well or not at all. You did well and got out of it pretty inexpensively. Good job and your first beer is on me. 🍺
@@ZombieDaveAZ Really? Thanks for that knowledge. It is actually my first chainsaw and I used it quite a bit last winter. It sits mostly idle in the warm Georgia summer. We’re only two years homesteading so we have a learning curve we’re going through. I also have a 72cc Farmmac I use for making my own boards on a homemade chainsaw mill. I really love working with our own fallen trees and turning them into useful items. The feedback was much appreciated. Thank you again.
Pretty solid logic when you need to hire someone to fix your stuff because you couldn’t, you should defer to the professionals recommendation.
Tell him like this "hey way you got to put a gasket in the carburetor"
I have one of these saws and at first it got to bogging and stalling out and running lean. I had to constantly keep the trigger moving to keep it running. I quit using it and used the Huskvarna.
So after sitting a while it will not even start today.
The plug is firing and it does have good compression so it about has to be a stopped up carb.
Lol. Awesome. Thanks for run down. 🧡👊🏻🇨🇦
How about same saw. Cutting with it perfectly. Ran out gas. Filled it up, now wont start. I noticed when pushing on primer bulb it would collaspe and excessively slow would fill back up. Like 6 seconds. I noticed air cleaner was lose. Can i blow air through primer line, or will this damage carb
Hey Thomas. It actually sounds like slow flow to the carb. Start with fuel filter then the screen inside the carb. Prolly clogged partially a long the way. That's what I would do brother.
THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT, especially if they're going to pay you to not do your job correctly!
I don't blame you. I rebuilt automatic transmissions for a living, actually had my own shop for 40 years until I retired 6 years ago. Got so bad, you know these trans. are crap anymore and people would come in with a 4 wheel drive truck with 100,000 miles on it and would want you to pull it out and tear it down and just fix what is broken, not what is about to break. Then they would want to take off with it and then when something happens to it they say so and so just fixed 3 weeks ago. To top that off they would want a warranty on it. Not me, I had a great business that would let me build it right the first time. That guy was just trying to play you for sure.
Finally someone who gets it! Thank you.
Dave you wondered how to say DUDE in spanglish I think it's EL DUDEO. LOL
Dave Ackerman 1967. Did you see in the comments where the owner wanted it to look like nothing was touched so he could get a new one. For this guy 'dude' in spanish is El Cheapo! I think he is all butt hurt cuz I have not heard back from him.
I did that to an old Honda street bike long ago in galaxy quest far away. Dude in spanglish, is it EL dude? Chris Farley translated El Nino as simply: " THE Nino"...
Anybody else notice the crushed kill wire from the owners reassembly? I have another video of that happening on a weedwacker that actually grounded out the coil when reassembled by someone else that rebuilt the pull starter. Just an FYI.
Put an 8 dollar kit in the carb and charge him 100 dollars and that part in your hand is actually the fuel pump in the carb and the other side is the metering diaphragm
Stephen harris you are absolutely correct Stephen. Not sure if I called the pump side the metering side so maybe I stand corrected. Im good with that👍 I did say that the straw that broke the camels back is that the metering diaphragm was leaning on the lever releasing pressure on the needle and seat and allowed the gas to enter the crankcase via the carb.
Stephen harris I WISH I could get that kind of $. Have you seen the newish metering diaphagms from Walbro? We will be looking for work!
@@ZombieDaveAZ Those spiral diaphragms from Walbro are supposed to be the last one you put in.a stainless steel spiral holds its shape and a clear thin membrane seals it.The kit comes with a special lever that you have to use but they make the assembly easy. Watch the Walbro spiral diaphragm video on TH-cam. It will blow your mind!
@@andybecker2693 I saw these years ago. I'm waiting to see if stens or rotary or someone copies them so I can get them in bulk.
@@ZombieDaveAZ Probably not until the patent runs out. 20 years? By then everything will be battery and you’ll be an old Zombie.No offense.
You still available for questions
If I can be of help to you my friend, sure.
The customers always right
Hello again ZD,
My uncle just purchased an Echo CS-400 from a local box store. I will be the person using it on his property. I unboxed it today and noticed the muffler nuts paint was coming off from being started, ran and smell of gas in gas tank. There is a little oil residue in the primer bulb but no gas. Is this from the factory testing or a returned saw?
Once again Thank You for your superior knowledge ZD!
Darin
Not from the factory. Most likely a return .
@@ZombieDaveAZ Thank You! What would you do if it was your saw?
If I paid for new, I would want new. That's just me.
@@ZombieDaveAZ 👍
So, how to get it fixed.? I got same problem, with my CS 400. What parts do I need to change ?
You can get them from Amazon. Type in Echo cs400 and then choose which one you want. A new carb, plug, filter fuel lines etc is about 30 bucks. Or you can get original for just over $40. You choose. Good luck Sean.
People using ethanol fuel...... and not doing maintenance on tools.... Lord have mercy.......
Should have just handed it back to him and told him to take it somewhere else.
He took it back to home depot for another new one. Thats why he did this.
@@ZombieDaveAZ Oh ok. I guess I missed that. Thank you for the reply! Also, great video. I picked up a CS-400 yesterday and it's only got a couple hours on it. I found the original receipt in the box, it's a year old. Too bad they don't do transferable warranties!
For your own personal saw? I like echo products. I hate how the stealership treats guys after the sale. But their job is to move inventory...😏
A lot of fuss for a $10 rebuild kit eh!!
Bruce Pender He got the saw back this morning and he says he's taking it back to Home Depot for a new one. That's why he wouldn't spend the money on the new parts. Lol!
Good luck on that. I truly hopes he gets a new one. To bad you don't get the old one. Did it sit with old fuel in it?
Bruce Pender not sure if it sat with fuel in it. I do know he bought it used so Im not sure if they would honor a return on used. Carb kits are part of ownership and maintaining it. no? Im sure this is a 'To Be Continued saga. Have a great weekend.
is he crazy because he just fucked his saw up by doing that. if your repair guy says it needs to be replaced or whatever u normally listen because otherwise u have this happen.
Just get an entire cheap Chinese aftermarket carb from eBay, I've used them in my Echo equipment and they work fine. Too much hassle cleaning and rebuilding
Nick, this guy wanted to give it back to home depot and get a new one. I found that out later. Thats why he wanted me to undo what he did and not repair it.
@@ZombieDaveAZ ha!
Where are you located?
At the motorcycle shop where I work we use duplicate "carbonless" copy work orders for everything. We write down compression readings (EVERY engine gets checked before going further because ya can't tune away a fried top end) and when a customer declines a repair we note "customer declined xxxx". My boss keeps his copies for self-defense and future reference because customers are often dishonest, retarded, or both. It's also handy for maintenance history.
I give my customers their copy and dated. Any notations are made on the back of "their" work order. It is "their" responsibility to show me the work order for any warranty work. If they dont have it,its treated like a new intake and the meter starts running. If a customer says it runs great it just needs a pull starter, it is noted on the intake as a non-runner. Pull starter can be installed,charged and returned with the balance due even if it does not run. I hate those kind of guys. I sometimes tell customers to find a new mechanic. Thanks for commenting. Keep it up.👍
It's not Spanglish. It's a Karen customer
Put a new radiator cap on it !
I would NOT, put it back together, till u show him. Make sure he agrees you need to put carb kit in and totally drain crankcase. It's going to need to be run after work is done just to get all that fuel out. But while it's all open bring piston to top and empty crankcase of all that, I'm assuming, fuel. Then maybe allow to evaporate any remaining fuel. Not positive, but that should clear most of flooded systems. I'm sure any expert watching may agree.. But don't reassemble and let him try wastefully. That's just being mean.
Peter Ford I couldnt agree more Pete. I am not a mean spirited guy BUT this guy made his own bed. he Insisted NO PARTS! BY the way. shops here in Tucson are famous for giving your machine back in a box. I hate that! .Thanks for the comment Pete,I appreciate you taking the time. 👍
ulitepilot aka Zombie Dave I understand, but an 8 buck gaskets kit wouldn't kill him if it runs after. But I'd have said, sorry, I'm not gonna waste your money to analyze problem and not do what it needs. Guaranteed, he'd be back in ten minutes saying,,, do what you gotta.
ulitepilot aka Zombie Dave Does sound like he needs to read the manual. Loads of people thinking all they have to do is buy tools and suddenly they're in business. I do appreciate your feelings. I'm the same mind set. But you wanna have some empathy, deserved or not. Good luck.
Dude translates Chavo ,
Been there done that
Should been labeled l talk shit and not fix
Lol,yup.
I laughed too
A decent saw to not do it right,,, the first time.
Peter Ford I still agree with you. I guess you just have to know the customer. Maybe Ill do a video on his hc-150. Then you would know him. runs it all day no air filter or cover. $11 is worth it to him. Thanks again and you are right.
Peter Ford. I found out why he wanted it all cleaned and original parts left on it. He says he is taking it back to Home Depot for a new one. lol. To be Continued.
Ahh! I wish I would have read this before I posted my previous long- winded comment! I guess some of it may still apply, but eff this guy!
Would you would rather 1) "teach this guy a lesson" he won't even understand. or 2) Grow your business with good service, and communication? He will pay you to fix his saw only to have it returned in non working condition. He will feel ripped off, and tell your potential future customers about his bad experience. I understand your point of view. But the ONLY reason I understand it is because you showed me. If you showed him, instead of all of TH-cam, he would understand. You communicated very clearly with everyone in the world with internet access instead of the 1 person who you should have. I do understand your frustration, I work with the public too. But do what is best for your business.
You are right! Straight and to point, you are right. Im not sure if you read through the comments because upon return of his saw I showed him this video. His reason for NOT letting me fix it was to return it to Home Depot and get a New saw. If it was running then Home Depot would not trade out the saw. Basically he just wanted me to put it back together to undo what he had done the night before. You are correct on your point. No arguement from me.
Yes, I did read some comments below after making my comment. Screw that guy, never mind!
@@papageo5 you have a valid point George. I appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Dud = wey
How about finding a mechanic who shows a little more respect for his customers?
How about a customer that would pay to fix his equipment instead of having me put it back together so he can return it to Home Depot for a whole new saw? It only needed a carb kit.
What does a carb kit cost,like $15 bucks tops? Even if all he wanted was for you to put it back the way it was before he messed it up, that's what he payed you for. Instead you make a video showing how the customer flooded the carburetor and making fun of him because he doesn't speak English well. It's literally your job to fix whatever is wrong with something. I seriously hope you're not still repairing small engines because I wouldn't take my equipment to an incompetent racist bigot. Forget the customer, you just showed everyone how ignorant you are.
OR the fact that he wanted it put back together so he could try to get a free replacement from Home Depot? Your oponion is your own. This guy should have said fix it cuz he messed it up. End of story. Racist? Bigot? You make me laff. I hope your landscaper doesnt try to rip you off like this guy. Peace amigo.