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I think ALL studios are in trouble. fast and furious didn't do great at all. Flash tanked. Transformers did alright. But every movie isn't going to be Supermario or Spiderman. The budgets are the issue too. I feel barbie and Oppenheimer are going to under perform. Movies are expensive just wait for streaming.
People are sick of agendas and sub par writing, not to mention terrible effects (can’t even call them special effects as they’re not special). Seems like they have to tear down existing franchises and characters without the ability to create something new with quality. Hence people rejecting the garbage.
I think it’s in part that they don’t offer at home releases. I as a dad of 4 can’t afford to pay 120 dollars (before snacks) to take them to the movies. I think they would get better results by offering both in movie release and at home release (dual release).
Top Gun: Maverick is the blueprint on how to make a legacy sequel. INDY 5 shouldve been a Fate of Atlantis movie with an adult Short Round as the co-lead. If it was an emotional and heartfelt last adventure with Indy and Short Round it wouldve done really well at the box office IMO, especially if it was crowdpleasing like Maverick.
I think even this video creator is trying to hide the fact that TopGun was a good script and directing while Indy 5 is the complete opposite. Stating the truth would be putting the correct blame on those in charge. Heavy Spoilers is trying to not to anger the blue hairs , imho . There’s a middle ground between too honest and full of sh*t.
It’s been said that there was going to be a mid credit end scene where Indy and fleabag go to a house in the Himalayan’s where short round lives. He then gives them a map to the next adventure.
The director even admitted to doing the exact thing that’s making these franchises bomb. He said he knew what the audience wanted to see and decided to do the opposite. Why do directors keep alienating audiences and expecting good results??
@@teeahtateyeah he said he knew the audience wanted to see Indiana go back in time and fight Nazis so he built that expectation up the whole movie only for Indiana to go back in time for a boring conversation in a foreign language with Archimedes. Absolutely baffling.
@@nicks1451boring for you, but the person that I saw it with was absolutely thrilled with that sequence of going back in time. Some people like history more than others, and it makes sense that a film about an archaeologist what appeal to those people
@@nicks1451 I'm with you on this, I felt like it was misused. I work in VFX so let me say, uh... don't pick something SO far fetched if you're trying to making things seem grounded and real. Indiana Jones has always felt tangible because they limited themselves to things they could do with effects at the time. Since CGI they've really done things in many movies that, well if you can't do it right, it looks BAD. That whole sequence was rough. The ticker tape parade chase was rough. Eels? Better but, unfamiliar, weird. I totally expected some useable aspect to the time travel, but it was a thing that was just tacked on at the end... MEH. Oh, also if anyone has seen The Flash, 1 minute in and you'll know why it failed. It's EXACTLY the sort of trash you expect. Bad dialogue, the effects are dumb, things that could be serious are VERY not.... oof.
Because people are stupid and have to nitpick everything. What should have happened was leave the franchise in peace. Fuck the fans, and everyone's still happy. Simple
I'm part of the core audience and I was happy with the movie. Perhaps not everybody shares the same opinion, but apparently more people didn't like what they saw in the trailers than did. But, I do think that in 10 years, people won't be having the same negative view of the movie. By that time the core audience will likely have lost interest and actually viewed the movie.
@@SmallSpoonBrigadeThe problem for some people is not even the movie but rather politics. I've read a lot people gleefully stating they are happy companies like Disney are losing money because "they've gone woke"!
Nobody wants to see their hero’s die or be destroyed - I mean I watched in horror to see Optimus Prime die on screen, I can even tell you how that felt. To see Luke be dismantled, or other characters be reduced by Disney is just a bad move.
Indiana Jones isn't 'reduced' he's a old man that still handles himself. I read all the bad reviews of this film, and yunno what, after actually SEEING it wich i doubt 75% of critics have actually done...its a fairly enjoyable film, all this shows is how dumb effing TH-cam has become.
@@mikethebloodthirsty Your opinion, but I’ve got to say this film was complete rubbish. When the plot has no reason to exist then you know it’s bad. Disney is the worst company ever, they destroy everything they touch, I hate them so much !!!!!!!!
It was unclear why we needed Crystal Skulls after a gap of nearly 20 years. At that point, they should have recast the role and given us a movie that was more consistent with the previous ones.
I totally agree with you! I recently rewatched the series, and I stopped at that movie. No need for Crystal skull. Far as I'm concerned there was only three Indy movies.
@@EverettBurgerThe fact that we knew that there would be nothing building off of it, and all of the drama going on with that groomer person. Not even going to say his name, or their name or whatever.
I disagree with the closure and chapter 3. They still had not addressed what happened with Marion. I needed to see that definitively closed one way or the other.
A couple reasons why is because 1. It’s a movie no one asked for 2. Lucasfilm, Disney and Kathleen Kennedy bad reputation they have with fans and audiences 3. Bad reviews from Cannes 4. Younger generations not being interested 5. Packed Month
I don't think anyone outside the "I'll love it no matter what because that's what true fans do" clique actually cares to see this movie. I've loved this franchise since childhood and I just can't be bothered.
I don't think it is so complicated. It is simply that the film is not what anyone wanted. We wanted an Atlantis Indy film. We wanted an Emperor's Tomb movie. We wanted a movie by people who understand the character of Indiana Jones (not just the costume). Just because Hollywood thinks they have something that will get people's money, doesn't make people just run out and see it if we can all tell it is going to be dumb.
@@tedsheridan8725 the film sucks and its stupid we dont want indiana jones traveling thru time it should have stopped earlier plus i wont go to a woke film
I think the issue is no one was asking for this. The movie got made because someone wanted to add yet another entry into a franchise in a time when big companies expand franchises out well past their natural end point. Audiences are starting to wise up.
Everyone always says it failed because "no one was asking for this". That would only work if there were never any movies that succeed that no one was asking for. Can you think of any movies that succeeded but no one was asking for? Yes, yes you can. No one was asking for a Top Gun revival with an old man star. No one was asking for a Mario Bros movie. No one was asking for a Lego Movie. No one was asking for a Pirates of the Caribbean disney ride movie.
DOD/Indy 5 got made as a cash grab. No one asked for this crap, just like no one asked for Solo: A Star Wars story. Another outright box office bomb. Ford is the common denominator; he went from box office gold to OLD TOAD.
My kids and I went to the theater and watched the new Spiderman movie over the weekend. My kids are 9, 13 and 15. I let them choose which movie that we saw. Guardians, Spiderman, Indiana Jones, Elemental and the Little Mermaid were all playing at the theater. My kids went back and forth between Guardians and Spiderman. They didn't even consider the other movies. Edit: I have two daughters and a son. I don't know if that matters but my girls chose Spiderman over Indiana Jones, Elemental and the Little Mermaid.
My son, and I go to movies every other weekend. We have seen Spider-Man, elemental, and now Indiana Jones. He went to go see little mermaid with his grandmother and his sister and her both over 10. The summer has been a summer of movies for us, and we enjoyed them all. And Elemento was cute and funny. Spider-Man was amazing. Pardon the pun in Indiana Jones to me filled all the boxes for an Indiana Jones movie. They were Nazis. I was fighting they were antique, antique stuff that no one ever heard of. There was Antonio Banderas and he’s really dreamy , I don’t know why people thought this Indiana Jones movie would suck? Maybe because they think Harrison Ford was too old and he be the first wanna tell you that he’s too old but it was a riproaring. Good time. A summer popcorn movie where you suspend all beliefs and enjoy it
@@kadarabdullahiWe enjoyed Spiderman. The only complaint that I heard was from my son. He didn't feel like the movie needed a cliff hanger. He thought that they could have tied up all of the loose ends by the end of the movie. We will definitely see the next Miles Morales adventure when it comes out.
I feel like a big part of it is also the way Disney has handled legacy characters recently. I haven’t seen many ads for the new movie but I don’t have faith it’ll be good so I’ll wait for Disney+. If Disney doesn’t wanna respect what some of these characters mean to people then why should we care to show up and see it?
The movie should have been Indy and Short Round going on one epic adventure to find the time device so that Indy could save his son. If not that then just have Indy, Short Round, Mutt and Marion all going off on a cool adventure together with Mutt finally inheriting the mantle. Any of those 2 options would have worked
Not really. Short Round was annoying as shit and Mutt was utterly pointless. Crystal Skull was a lesson that the franchise went too far. Guess people are a little stupid to realize that.
@@Amp661 They had a chance to redeem that though. Apparently, people are appreciating Short Round and Mutt after this movie, lol. I haven't seen it, no interest. Riding into the sunset was the perfect ending for me.
Did they? I've stopped watching the Star Wars stuff, purely because there's too much of it. It's not because I didn't like what I saw. (Except for the Mandalorian that was absolutely terrible and pretty much just designed for people obsessed with Star Wars lore)
The TV shows (Andor, Mando, etc) have plenty of fans and there are a whole lot of normal people who don't take this stuff seriously either way. Terrible marketing is a big part of this.
@@TheNobleFive Andor ( a show I liked,) had the worst ratings of any streaming SW show. Mando season 3 pretty much erased any goodwill that show had garnered from the first 2 seasons. Kenobi and Boba Fett were just not well received either
So I'm a huge Indiana Jones fan, I watch the classics(you know which ones I'm talking about) every few years and it never gets old and I never had excitement for this film or the one before it to be honest.
I was excited for it again. In the end, the pacing is different. The tone is more somber, which I'm old enough to deal with, and the pacing seems a little slower. Is it as bad as the fourth film? Not sure. In any case, had they closed the chapter of his life with Marion in the third film, I would have been content with just a trilogy. But the fourth and fifth films helped tie up that loose end, so one of them was needed, in my opinion
Too many remakes and sequels and not enough passion. But the passion projects bomb too. I think Hollywood needs to take a long break alongside the strike and make people crave for new entertainment.
I think a big issue is sequels period. I’m not talking about more movies. We are fine with ongoing Bond movies but tying characters to specific actors are fine for a while but can be crippling after a while.
@@tmmartinesq.6216 that’s true and there is something about Harrison that wasn’t always true per se and it’s the grumpy old man shtick. He seems to have been playing that off “screen” in interviews like we all think it’s funny. It was a little funny when he had the fight with Chewbacca on Kimmel but movies like this it’s like let’s see how grumpy and bitter we can make him. I’ve seen other movies where he wasn’t that way at all. It seems like movies have a hard time dealing with realistic aging and death. It was probably handled better in the movie Space Cowboys
Here’s an interesting example Labyrinth. The film was considered a bomb in the 80s yet resonated with generations of audiences. They announced a sequel originally to be directed by Fede Alvarez but he left and Scott Derrickson took over the project. No updates over the last few years. Imagine the best and worst case scenarios and then remember it’s a LucasFilm.
That's likely to be what happens here. I see so much hate on Indy 5 that's just not justified. I mean, I literally saw somebody say that it was the worst movie of the year, somebody else said that it was worse that Crystal Skulls and a reviewer claimed that Teddy just knew how to fly a plane later in the film, when it was established pretty much as soon as the character was introduced that he was studying how planes are flown. It's definitely not the best Indy film, but it is a pretty decent movie. And we finally have an explanation as to why Indy didn't believe in magic after having witnessed it in Temple of Doom when it came up in Raiders.
Such a great point about the loss of profits from physical media! I still collect physical media and hate the idea that I cannot own a copy of the movies I love. Streaming is definitely hurting Hollywood in so many ways!
Particularly after Disney+, Netflix and the other guys showed audiences exactly what they can(not) expect in terms of long-term availability. Streaming services mainly addresses people who go "I want to see something, anything entertaining tonight", but certainly not "I feel like watching xy again". In this respect, it's more an equivalent to traditional TV zapping than a medium for movie lovers.
John Wick 4 Made almost $450 million, Across the Spiderverse made over $600 million... You know why? Because they're awesome. If they produced great films that are entertaining instead of bad films with added political or 'other' messaging they might not be in this situation. So sad, too bad...
Spider verse had a lot of progressive messaging baked into the themes. Some of it was even overt like a Trans Rights flag with "Protect Trans Kids" written on top of it hanging in Gwen's room. This even got the movie banned at the last minute in some countries. The movie is doing well because it was made well. Progressive political messaging doesn't inherently scare people away if it's just done well. But when it isn't everyone hops on TH-cam to write video essays about "wokeness" lol.
This franchise needed a fresh, rugged face like Brandon Sklenar, from 1923, to continue the adventure film series. Indiana Jones as we love him. A strong yet intelligent man who stands up to bad people intent on using mystical and powerful historical talismans to create chaos in the world. That's his whole schtick. Instead ..we got Kathleen Kennedy's insertion of a Mary Sue character who literally epitomizes everything the hero shouldn't be. She literally takes the hero role away from the actual name on the marquee and punches him in the face to boot. This was a giant miscalculation in the direction of this franchise. Crystal Skull wasn't great but, the ending had a good vibe with Indy walking out with Marion, whilst smiling at Mutt placing the fedora back onto his head. It was genuine. He was walking out on his terms.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull could've been a proper ending if the movie was any good. The flaws in that film were numerous AND embarassing considering the actual crystal skulls have been a well known conundrum in Archeology and even Anthropological timeframes. Shia Lebouf was a solid replacement for Jones. In that scene where the hat blew away during the wedding sequence and Lebouf reached for it, had Jones reached out to his 'newly minted son' and said something like, "perfect fit" it would've healed their relationship and effectively passed the torch to Lebouf. By Lebouf's 3rd film, Ford could've come back to complete a FULL 'Last Crusade' kinda film like Ford had with Connery and the return of Harrison Ford would've SOLD THE FUCK OUT! In these kinds of films, you don't think in terms of one film, you have to pre-plan the 'Series Arc' to bring characters pay-off full circle by a multi-film completion. This shit isn't hard...studios and over-paid executives MAKE IT HARD because they have NO talent.
I've enjoyed the channel for quite a while and I'm particularly impressed with this video, I think you address this really comprehensively as there are clearly a variety of factors at play. You and everyone at the channel involved with this video should feel damn proud.
Exactly ! Look at TopGun is about an old man and old ip but the script is good. I think there’s a lot of gaslighting to obfuscate from the reality of people like Kathleen Kennedy who RUIN movies
How did she ruin the movie? Did she ruin Rouge One, Andor, the Mando, etc? I don't like the sequel trilogy as much as a lot of people but people blame "wokeness" and "strong women" as a crutch without even thinking for themselves these days. It's brainrot lol.
I think we are in a time when directors and writers can do whatever they want regardless of limitations because cg can make it possible regardless and I think that has gotten us into a time when they don't have to think about the logistics of what they are writing so they don't have to think about it on a deeper level and just put in writing whatever crosses their mind and make someone else worry about the logistics and this is ruining the realism of the movies and this turning them all into just sci-fi video games. It's like when we went from actual sitcoms to reality TV where the producers were just making money on someone else acting dumb.
The shift away from sitcoms to reality TV was a result of the writers strike. Reality TV is much cheaper to produce, and you might expect something similar to happen after this current strike is over.
I'd say its the opposite. These days they'll never let a filmmaker have full creative control. Its all written by committee and the committee is helmed exclusively by out of touch producers in a boardroom who have no concept of story structure. Back when they let a single skillful auteur run the show, thats when we got Spielberg, and David Lynch. But now, they will neuter any substance a showrunner would bring to the table before it even left the writers room.
I think a great example of what you mention is the climax of Back to the Future, because the original idea was to have Marty go back to 1985 in a nuclear explosion, but the sequence was going to be so expensive that Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale decided to do something on a not so large scale and as a result they gave us one of the best climaxes in cinema.
Between the theaters ripping us off for snacks and fees and studios refusing to come up with any original movies it's like they're trying to drive us away from seeing new movies.
I don't get why they didn't give Indiana a proper friend to go around with during the whole movie. In Raiders he had Karen and Sallah, in Temple of Doom he had Willie and Short Round, in Last Crusade he had Marcus and his dad and in Crystal Skull he had Mutt and Karen again but this time everyone was either trying to kill him or betray him and then for some reason right at the very end, Elizabeth decides to be friends with him. He could've had Sallah fly to Morocco with him to get the dial piece and have a friend with him during the movie but he stayed in America instead and left him alone
He should have just let his son take the hat, I mean, it was funny when he takes it back from him, but that was the time to pass the baton, and the potential new indy is far worse that LaBeouf...
Had this movie been really really good it MIGHT have had a chance of doing well. Assuming they made it for $120 million... As it stands, neither kids or fans want to see some old geezer complain about being old and be upstaged by (yet another) British brunette. Also... Dial of Destiny? Really? Time travel is the best they could come up with? C'mon.
I was a little dubious at first. I wanted to like it and had high hopes, especially after Crystal skull. I mean, everyone wants their heroes to stay just that. So you go in with a healthy dose of nostalgia and trust that they'll handle such an iconic role w respect and reverence but it seems to only attempt to recreate familiar moments of the past. Phoebe CAN be good in small doses, but I think she was not the right choice. Even Short Round (which seemed like a logical choice given his recent return to fame) could have helped. The movie had a depressing miasthma and brought an ever-present sense of waning mortality. Mads did his job but lazy writing and a weak ending (almost Oz-like) did this series- ending chapter a disrespectful disservice to this franchise. I'm sorry.
No need to apologise, you're right. He should've been given a friend to go round with like he had been for the other films. Sallah wasn't going with him for some reason, he could've always bumped into Short Round in Morocco and then he's got his friend to go round with. His god-daughter constantly wanted to betray him until the planes. None of his students even wanted to learn anything for some reason. He was the most popular teacher in the college in every film and suddenly only the teachers like him and he's retiring
The fact that you are the only one I know that tell us viewers that we can dislike the video if we want instead of the usual "smash the like-button" makes me wanna smash the like button. But then, also, you make good and interesting content that deserves the like too. Thank you.
The trailer opened with ‘Sympathy for the Devil’ when Ford appeared. Disney made it 100% clear they hated Indy and couldn’t wait for him to go. They tried to make PWB the new Indy but test audiences hated it so much they were forced to reshoot major portions of the movie. Disney is infected with a terminal social contagion.
I've seen Across The Spider verse three times. It's because it's great where as people's opinions I respect have given all the films you mentioned a lukewarm reception at best.
That line from Jurassic Park will be true until the end of time, everybody trying to figure out if they could and never stopping to consider if they should
@Highbrowser Exactly. Deeply untalented people being given positions that are well beyond their capabilities. Watered-down products that appeal to no one except the less than discerning consumers out there.
pretty much this - 'mama KK' decided for the rest of us 'children' what's best, and what we need to see in the Indiana Jones movies she as making 'for us'. this movie had at last 6 planned possible endings, numerous input from the director on what is working and what isn't- and what could happen to make it better- in the end she decided she knew what was best and overr rode everyone to shit out this...drivel. Fleabag didn't help matters either, she's just as much to blame, whispering in KK's ear and tinkering with the script so she comes off heroic and brave. KK and Lucasfilm have a proven history of alienating writers and directors, and destroying scripts- and it all starts right at the top...every single time
I'm 53, grew up with Star Wars and Indy. I liked this film, but if my son hadn't talked me into it, I likely would have waited for it. I am definitely in that I can wait for streaming camp. I waited for the latest Avatar and pretty much everything else this year.
Why? Because movies are really expensive. People are making money decisions for themselves and their families. Most already spent a ton on watching Super Mario Bros with their kids and were like "That's it. Gonna have to wait to watch other stuff when it gets to stream."
Honestly, I think that's it. It was $54 for me to go with my wife and get a couple popcorns. And with the incessant badmouthing of the movie by people that don't appear to have watched it, that's a pretty big gamble. Then you talk about bringing kids along with you or the multiple viewings that movies like this count on to make there money back and it was an extremely risky wager when budgeting it.
The problem with word of mouth these days is you have all these groups of culture warriors who actively and deliberately crap on anything that offends them. They’ll review bomb things over a gay kiss, a strong female lead, any liberal politics, etc. The internet can’t tell the difference between bad faith squat-popping and actual sincere bad word of mouth.
Yes, but I don't see that happening here. I see a bunch of comments from people that haven't watched the movie based on things that weren't in the movie. I think the Rotten Tomatoes scores are much more representative of the film than the comment sections on these review videos are and the audience score is now 88%. I've told the people that I know that I liked the movie. It's not as good as the original trilogy, but it is worth seeing and it is a fun movie. Just don't go watching it and expecting to have the same feel that we got from the original trilogy as it's not quite a that level. But, it is fun and I likely will be buying a DVD copy for my library. I never bought Indy 4 and likely never will unless there's another movie that justifies a second box set purchase.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade IMO negative word of mouth starts with the marketing. Look at Morbius. Nobody saw that movie in the theater and it was a running joke for months.
I think the saturation of Summer blockbusters. So for me for example I'm waiting to see Oppenheimer in IMAX and then dune which isn't even to Summer movie.
EASY we have had OVER A FULL YEAR of BAD NEWS from this movie, including NUMEROUS leaks, and ALL of which the fans BEGGED not to be true, we had had over a year of pain and torture, so most of us, just REFUSE to see the movie, just to prevent us from feeling any more pain.
I think there are a lot of reasons for the bombs we are seeing lately. Flash had the Ezra Miller controversy and DC hasn't delivered well. Indy I think there were rumors that Phoebe Bridge was going to take over the franchise and I think people were like "I don't want that." That rumor has no traction in reality and yet people seem to have run with it. That and Crystal Skull had a lot of bad memories. That and Indy has the perfect ending in Last Crusade.
What's sad is that Disney and other studios seem to REFUSE to take any responsibility for poorly received films. They seem to blame everything, and everyone, except for the crappy scripts that they continue to green light.
less money (so less risk) and more trust of the people who create the films, especially the initially ideas. Sequels, spin offs and remakes that cost the year profit of a medium sized company are boring.
All good points you've made, and fair too. I think they (Hollywood in general) just try too hard to make these films "about" something, to give them weight. Unfortunately, the way this happens is almost always by imposing their cultural/political views on the characters. When are they just going to make a film that's fun, pure and simple? (ask Tom Cruise - he knows).
Maybe the simplest explanation is that people are bored with cynical, tedious corporate “entertainment” and over expensive, over saturated, over hyped media! Not to mention, the public now are used to the fact that if they wait about a month, they can watch it essentially for free on a streaming service.
Elementals and other animated movies have been facing a lot of saturation and competition, with many of them coming out back to back (Spider-Verse, Mario, the Little Mermaid, Teenage Kraken, Etc)
Elemental was a legit gem and breath of fresh air though. It’s not based on a or existing product and not a sequel or remake . Ruby Gillman however was pretty bland and overall forgettable though
The problem with Indiana Jones vs Star Wars or James Bond is they let the franchise go quiet for 15 to years without anything major before bring out a movie. They should have done a cartoon live Clone Wars after the last movie to keep him in mind and introduce him to younger generations.
@@Amp661 If you want an IP to be something that last decades like Star Wars, Star Trek, James Bond, Batman, then you absolutely need to refresh it ever so many years to keep it in people’s minds. However you could go the Back to the Future, ET route and let the originals stand as Classics. The problem with Indiana Jones is they tried to do both at the same time.
When the original Indy came out, you had to wait YEARS before it would be rentable, IF you could afford a VCR! It was NEVER on TV and the ONLY way you could watch it, was in the theater. Now, you have access to the movie at the SAME time as it's in the theater... WITHOUT paying RIDICULOUS movie theater prices... and that's not including snacks and whatnot!
They need to stop making these films with $300+ million budgets, it’s getting out of control with how many movies cost anywhere between $300-$500 million after budget & marketing.
The budget for Raiders of the Lost Ark was only $20 million back in 1980 when they filmed it. With inflation that's nearly $70 million now. And Disney spent $300 million for this one, just insane!
Practical effects. Easier to do with younger actors, and good directors who don't use CGI as a crutch. Spielberg knows how to use CGI, of course (Ready Player One), but he also knows how to do PRACTICAL - which looks more genuine and saves money.
I think a big part is digital releases and home theaters. You don't have to wait for physical media to be made anymore. It used to be that a movie wouldn't be watchable at home for months to a year after it was released in theaters. Now it's all digital. Some have same day streaming releases. Also, people have 4K tv's and surround sound. Wait a few months and I can watch Indy at home while smoking and relaxing. Instead of going to an overpriced theater full of dick bags who talk and use their phone the whole time. In the end it's all just proof that as tech advances, capitalism (money in general) becomes less sustainable. AI is next. Soon it won't be that people are just waiting for home releases. It'll be: why do I need to watch a big studio blockbuster, when the kid down the street did something just as good on his pc and he's showing it for free?
@@tmmartinesq.6216 yeah, lots of content creators on TH-cam have some amazing production quality. I have premium instead of Netflix or Hulu because I was mostly watching stuff on TH-cam. Like recently I was blown away by Kane Pixel's Backrooms.
I just saw the movie on a 70 ft. screen with amazing sound for $15, (it was a great deal of fun btw). That's the average monthly fee for one of these lousy streaming services that mostly showcase movies you've already seen or a bunch of unwatchable crap. No matter how big your flat screen is, it can't compete with a giant cinema screen and if you had that kind of sound the neighbors would call the police. I don't know what neighborhoods you frequent but I've been going to the movies my entire life and I can point to maybe one instance of audience bad behavior. People will still be attracted to the theatre experience and the communal advantages of seeing a film with an audience.
I really think now that KK emasculate her directors. That would explain why all the movies and series that comes out from talented directors are shadows of their previous successes. I really don't think they feel safe creatively around her.
With how expensive going to a movie theater these days combined with how quickly things go to streaming combined with home TV’s becoming better and better it’s a wonder any movies make money tbh
I think post COVID, theater attendance will never bounce back to pre-pandemic levels. Part of this is likely attributable to the huge ticket prices increase. My wife and two kids went to see Indians Jones. Tickets came to $80.00! That’s more than 4 months of Netflix fees. Not only was our theater only 1/4 full on 4th of July weekend! And it wasn’t just about the film. The AMC was an 18 screen megaplex, and the whole place was a ghost town. No one was seeing anything else either, it seemed.
@@RYMAN1321fair point. but with high prices, maybe people are choosing which films to watch carefully, and not seeing others. Top Gun was very good at making the case for spending the money.
Many people didn't realize it, but this Indiana Jones movie contains a lot of references to real good classics. Like the Heinkel 111 bomber that comes from "The Battle of Britain" which was also from 1969. And the beginning of Ford walking around in SS uniform was from the 1969 Star Trek episode with Spock dressed as an SS officer. We also see that Mercedes Benz in Tangier in the Exorcist. And Paperclip Nazis also feature in "The Marathon Man" (1976). So for the movie fan there is plenty to recognize.
Anytime I see a great IP I expect a terrible movie. I just assume executives these days hijack IP’s to get return on big investments without caring about the movie at all, it would be like someone gambling on your love life without giving a damn who you end up with. Your gonna get some toxic abusive shitheads so they can make a dollar
I also think that Hollywood has so much cash that they really don’t care how bad the showrunners are. Great acting 99% of the time can’t salvage a crappy script , imo
You know why Star Wars and Indiana Jones were such massive successes back in the day? They were original. They didn't originate as sequels or remakes. Studios are going to have to go back to taking chances with new ideas, because it's looking like taking chances with old ones - sequels, remakes and what-not, is looking to be just as risky. Christopher Nolan rose to fame with low budget risk taking. Why can't the big Studios try doing the same?
The least-common denominator in all these Disney failures: Kathleen Kennedy. You could delay these movies to home video as long as you want, they'd still fail. If there's something out there I really want to see, I'll go see it, home video be gosh darned.
My internet went out for a couple hours recently and I was trembly happy I have a extensive 4K dvd collection to watch. If all I did was stream I wouldn’t have had the movies to watch while the internet was out.
Indy could've been a character that produced action adventure films for decades, like James Bond, by recasting the lead role. Also, I had no idea Elemental had been released in cinemas!
As someone who has been watching these films and theater since they began, I don't know that I would have taken kindly to a recasting. He truly is the creator of the character, and if I had seen them try to substitute another actor the way they do with James Bond, I most likely would have quit watching the films
I think something people don’t consider too much is that movies are just way more expensive to do now because of so much more streaming content being produced there probably aren’t enough people from behind the camera. Plus streaming shows now are just better than movies looking pretty good and having much more time to explore characters and themes.
Didn’t stop Top Gun Maverick or Mario from making over a billion dollars. Hell despite some recent Marvel films getting mixed reviews most if not all have made over a half billion
@@RYMAN1321 i was more talking about why movie budgets are higher now with less people seeing them. Like consider that original top gun made 350 million on a 15 million budget. That is about 23 times its budget where maverick made 1.5 billion on 170 million budget. also 15 million adjusted for inflation is around 45 million which shows how much more movies cost now to make.
I think you bring up some good points here Paul and team. I just wonder how much the culture around films and the cinema experience has been altered, along with cost of living, and such. I actually enjoyed the movie but it makes me sad to see cinema in decline. A lot of my friends are just into streaming and waiting till movies come out on streaming. I love going to the cinema and the entire experience. Even the annoying people that check their phones, talk through out the whole movie, and those pesky little Apple Watches that light up! Oh the horror!!! Anywho, I love the experience in general and frequent the AMC cinemas a few times a month. I will say though that perhaps the Nicole Kidman spot right before a movie starts is deterring people from going! At least AMC movie goers. 😂
A few weeks ago, a friend and I went to see a film and we're so disturbed by a group of teenagers whose parents had dropped them off for 2 hours to socialize that we complained to the management. They were just running and jumping up and down the stairs every five minutes. Eventually, management asked them to leave. We got comp tickets. However, when we went to use them last night to see Indy, we were told that we could not use those because Disney doesn't like it. That was my cue to the fact that this was a Disney film and that give me now owns the franchise. We decided not to go see it on Friday or Saturday, because I told her that if I had to deal with noisy teenagers again, I was going to be upset, because this was a film I really wanted to see/get lost in. As it turns out, we missed the 4:20 show because it was mostly sold out, and my friend is picky about where she sits. So we went back at 6:20, and again, it was pretty full, but there were mostly families there. Not one person checking their phone, making noise, or disturbing anyone else throughout the entire film. It was magical! Just like movies used to be
@@LindaC616 I always find it amusing when I hear people complaining about audience distractions in a movie. They'd rather stay at home where they can experience every distraction known to man. When Stanley Kubrick was asked how he liked the medium of television he said, "What can you say about a medium where with on flick of the eye you are looking at the cat scratching post ?"
@everettengbers3553 well I'm glad you find it amusing. But it wasn't that. I live in a town where there isn't much for young kids to do. People drop their children off there and let them be somebody else's problem for 2 hours. A few weeks ago, we were trying to watch the new film based on a Stephen King short story, and the 13 to 15 or 16 year old kids were in and out of the theater every 5 minutes. But they weren't just walking in and out of the theater, they were running and jumping down the wide steps. They were acting like they were five, and they were much older. Not to mention the talking etcetera. Basically, they were not there to see the film at all. They were using it as a space to eat junk food and talk to their friends. Eventually, they got tossed out. So it wasn't t my imagination. But thanks for gaslighting
I finally saw it. First thing that came to mind, it wasn't near as bad as many of the early previewers are saying, IMO better than Crystal Skull. IMO a lot of the early bad reviews was from those channels that are adamant about complaining about any movie w/ a leading lady. Yes, Waller Bridge's character was unlikeable and abrasive, especially in her disrespect, but her attitude was informed by her history w/ Indy and what happened to her father, so it wasn't out of the blue. Yes, they sped through the 'relationship' w/ her father, it might've been better had they said she was the daughter of someone Indy had history with in the movies, but introducing a new 'friend' to explain the heroin was a bad call. Did they expect Indy to still be swash buckling at his age? He wasn't a secondary character and did do some puzzle solving. The movie was overly long, they didn't need to include Banderas' character for a cameo, there was at least 20 minutes that could've been removed. The CGI in the parade scene was off putting, and seeing Ford trying to run and keep up...well you can only suspend disbelief for so long. But in the end, not as bad as Crystal Skull, not as bad as doom sayers are saying, but definitely better to watch at home than in theaters. 6/10 from me.
@@rsdillbot3646 Crystal Skull felt like a bunch of concepts inserted into a 'standard' Indiana Jones story, except this time, we do the opposite of Last Crusade and make Indy the curmudgeon old guy. The CGI was horrendous, they can never take back the scene w/ Mutt swinging through the trees w/ the Monkees and the whole movie over all felt like a money grab because there didn't feel like effort was put into a good 'story'. Also, seeing interviews where Spielberg said Lucas wanted 'Aliens' in the Last Crusade, (luckily Spielberg talked Lucas out of it) so Aliens was inevitably going to be in the Indy movies if Lucas could manage it.... reminds me of Akroyd w/ his crazy UFO/Alien beliefs/rants. That left a worse impression in my mind about CS. As much as I was confused and not sure how I felt about the 'twist' of going back 2000 years, at least it was different than all the other scripts and also showed that Indy was a lover of history after all the accusations in the movie that he was a 'grave robber'. And as far as haters screeching about Waller Bridge's character punching Indy out so they could take him back. She had to do that, no way was Indy NOT going to 'change history' combined w/ Archimedes. He couldn't stay.
As a member of Gen Z, when these old franchises were at their prime I either did not exist or was a baby/child and now I’m all grown up with my own money to stream what I want and If I do want to spend money on a movie, I’m gonna watch things that are nostalgic to me personally and not something my dad liked. I’m more likely to watch live action Ben 10 or Avatar franchise offerings then to watch Indiana Jones. I’m also more likely to watch a Star Wars movie with animated characters brought to live action than I would one lead by older characters or entirely new characters with old characters used as nostalgia bait that won’t even work Also with how the economy is going people are now very cognisant of cheap cash grabs and will not spend cinema money on any movies just because “oh look” this old guy used to be a big hit with your dad. With that being said.. I’m still confused as to who on earth watched Top Gun, Mission Impossible, Fast and the Furious 10 and Jurassic World. I wish I could see a graph of the ages of people that bought the most tickets for these movies, should bring interesting Insights
I don't know about the other films, but I was young when Top Gun and Indiana Jones came out. I have followed the first three Star Wars films and Indiana Jones throughout my life. I did skip the three middle sections of Star Wars franchise. I totally get why you would not feel that same nostalgia. When I went on Sunday at the 6:30 show, the audience was pretty packed, and I noticed that there were entire families there. No distracted teenagers causing a disturbance, no telephones, no loud conversations. Just a whole bunch of families and in my case our friend and I enjoying a good film. So it might also be a question of what it is that makes a good film4u versus these films from the past. In the case of Top Gun, my niece, who is only 10 years younger than I am, took her whole family to see the new Top Gun last summer. But that's because her husband was a pilot in the military, so it was pretty much de rigueur
I liked the movie but I’m older and was young when the first one came out. I was shocked test there was hardly anyone in the theater when I saw it at 9 pm on a Friday night in a major city at a nice theater. I felt like it was an epilogue of his life. Star Wars last trilogy was just horrible. I’ll say this one more time about streaming … us in the music business had this happen 20 years ago when CD sales tanked in favor of MP3s then streaming. The movie business didn’t care about us. Welcome to Karma
Right on about the karma. I have also watched the franchise in the theater since it began, and I saw it Sunday, because I was wary of seeing it Friday or Saturday. The movie theater where I live is pretty much the only thing for young kids to do, and lots of parents like to drop them off and they just socialize in the middle of everyone else's movie experience. The last time we went, we were given comp tickets because the teenagers running in and out and jumping up and down on the stairs on their way out created such a bad experience for the few of us that were trying to watch the movie that they felt bad for us. So we went on Sunday, showed up too late to get tickets for the 4:30 show, and had to go back later after purchasing tickets for 6:30 at 4:30. We were amazed to see that the theater was absolutely amazing! The audience was exactly like movie theater audiences used to be years ago. No telephones, no running up and down, no making noise, and having loud conversations. It was exactly the way I wanted it to be
The movie should have used the time travel gimmick for Harrison Ford to pass the torch to Anthony Ingruber. A franchise reboot about Indy’s adventures prior to the Lost Ark would have been the way to do it. Ingruber’s body double work in the flashback scenes were fantastic.
Anecdotally, I knew someone high up in distribution for Sony's physical media releases. Back in 2014, before the streaming boom, they were having rolling waves of overstock at retail on all their physical movie releases. I am on the retail distribution side, and I was getting great deals from companies for years because they wound up with tons of units for liquidation. I think the whole physical media boat sailed a long time ago, and it's over the last couple of years that it has become painfully apparent. Not sure that the studios necessarily wanted that outcome.
I was in charge of DVDs at a grocery store at that time and it was to the point that far more Blue Rays were being stolen than were sold. The last movie that had any major movement in physical media sales was the original Frozen.
Quality time with my son in an uncrowded theater. Sure! We enjoyed it. If I had listened to the reviews before purchasing a pool vacuum the other day it would've been such a shame. Best vacuum ever. If I would've paid attention to the reviews on here... I wouldn't have had a great night out with my 18yr old. Gotta love time traveling. Like I said in a previous reply. Some just are not seeing it.
Great video with the break down of why movies are not performing better. Another factor is that with some of these latest movie releases like Dial of Destiny and the Flash, reviews overall have been okay to meh/ The reviews to movies come out before the movies are released to the general public and if you hear enough reviews from people you trust their opinion on and they all say the movie is okay but nothing amazing, it can stop you from running out and watching in theatres and just wait for the online release.
Also, it came out on July 4th weekend. Since Tuesday is a holiday, I have a feeling that many people took Monday off, and that left them with a four-day weekend. Time enough to travel somewhere, and enjoy time with family versus spending time in the movie theater.
Soo true Warner Brothers/DC has over the last 3 years literally trained us you can see our movies in days don't worry about the theatre so I didn't go see flash in theatre cause if I miss opening weekend it'll be streaming in 2 weeks so just wait
I haven’t stopped going. In fact ever since 2018 I’ve been going a lot more frequently. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, nothing beats the theater experience. I also have surround sound with amazing 4K, but if it’s a movie I’m interested in, I’ll always opt for the theater. There is no comparison.😁
I think that's a bigger issue, that and the cost of going to a movie has gone up a lot. When I was a teen, it was $4 for a matinee. When I went to see Indy at literally the same theater, it was $17 for a matinee. Granted, some of that is because the theater was renovated and the took out half the seats in order to put in comfortable recliners, but it's still a significant price increase. And as you note, the TVs at home are a lot better and a decent surround sound speaker set up isn't necessarily that expensive either.
This is the correct answer which explains why The Flash, Elemental and Dial of Destiny all bombed, as opposed to the completely unoriginal uninspired obsession with woke.
I like the idea that given Indiana Jones was inspired by James Bond - he could have been recast with a new actor for a new trilogy after the last crusade - but kept around the same era. Or do something between the young indiana jones chronicles and Temple of the Doom. Older Indy didn't work in 4 or 5.
Nah, unlike James Bond, Indiana Jones IS Harrison Ford. Sometimes you just have to let stuff go and realize it is over. He is too old and the franchise is as well. Trying to keep up these movies 42 years later is just foolhardy. You see it all the time, just like with "Pink Panther". They tried to recast that a zillion times, but Peter Sellers WAS those movies. Once he died the movies should have died with him.
@@bobross1829I agree! I have been following these movies in the movie theaters since they began. Had they switched out the actor the way they do James Bond, I probably would not have gone to see any of them. I might have been happy with the third film being the last if they had wrapped up his story with Marion in some way. On the other hand, I do not mind seeing the hero get old, because it's going to happen to all of us, and that is what was great about Indy. He was more human than James Bond. We saw the bruises, the scratches, the black eyes. It wasn't that he had a fight and came out in a suit all cleaned up 15 minutes later. What's James Bond, you know that he's always going to emerge alive, the only question is what creative tool or trick is he going to use to get out of it? That wasn't the option with Indy. He was definitely shown to be breakable.
@@bobross1829 I'm not against your point but once upon a time Sean Connery WAS James Bond. If they were going to do the recast from Harrison, it should have been done in the 90's or early 00's
@@bobross1829 I disagree - somehing not being done well yet doesn't necessarily mean it can't happen, it just means it hasn't been done well yet - get people who understand Indy, get someone like Anthong Ingruber to play Indy, and that alone can do a lot.
Well 1. We’re tired of seeing the same actors do the same stuff over and over. 2. Knowing an actor doesn’t care about the movie/art ruins a movie for me, knowing they’re just showing up for a paycheck
Hollywood only makes sequels at this point. They believe that people will only pay to see actor's do the same thing over a over and over. My hope is that the executives at the studio's learn something from there failures. I doubt it though.
@@perceivedvelocity9914 yeah the media in general is out of touch with the consumer. Theyres video games nowadays that completely bombed because it’s not what we want
I got bored with Indiana Jones because no one was likeable or fun... the idea of an older Short Round would've been cool. More nostalgia with a smarter story and likeable, virtuous, lead female.
A MAJOR reason is that fewer and fewer people are actually going out to an actual movie theater, knowing that these movies will eventually be streaming in a matter of months, so they're waiting to see them in the comfort of their own home.
@@tankman5783 there maybe have been a lot of older viewers back during the first three and that are not with us anymore. I’m an “old soul” so I love the old fashioned stuff. A lot of viewers today were not even born when this series started. I was 11 when Star Wars first came out. Another think about movies now and then is a lot of kids are not just dropped of like they were back in the day. Also a major draw of theaters - air conditioning. I do wish more movies had intermissions too.
Maybe so, however there are still plenty of films pulling incredible box office numbers. I mean Mario made well over a billion I believe and is like the 2nd or 3rd highest grossing film. I think people are tired of these socially woke films by Disney and are instead turning to more simple and fun adventure flicks like the recent Spider Man, Puss in Boots 2, Mario, etc...
The cost of theaters is ridiculous and its the first summer where most travel restrictions have been off. Lots of reasons, including horrible movies and writing as well. Nostalgia for an aging crowd is also a losing formula
@@tompatchak8706 the film was probably being made before or at the same time as EEAAO. Ke didn't get his career comeback until it came out and was probably too late to ask him to do a cameo for Indy.
I am sure that anyone who toyed with the idea of including him in this film and did not because they didn't think he would contribute anything to it is kicking themselves now after he has won an Oscar
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I think ALL studios are in trouble. fast and furious didn't do great at all. Flash tanked. Transformers did alright. But every movie isn't going to be Supermario or Spiderman. The budgets are the issue too. I feel barbie and Oppenheimer are going to under perform. Movies are expensive just wait for streaming.
People are sick of agendas and sub par writing, not to mention terrible effects (can’t even call them special effects as they’re not special). Seems like they have to tear down existing franchises and characters without the ability to create something new with quality. Hence people rejecting the garbage.
"Go woke, go broke"- Aristotle
I think it’s in part that they don’t offer at home releases. I as a dad of 4 can’t afford to pay 120 dollars (before snacks) to take them to the movies. I think they would get better results by offering both in movie release and at home release (dual release).
Top Gun: Maverick is the blueprint on how to make a legacy sequel. INDY 5 shouldve been a Fate of Atlantis movie with an adult Short Round as the co-lead. If it was an emotional and heartfelt last adventure with Indy and Short Round it wouldve done really well at the box office IMO, especially if it was crowdpleasing like Maverick.
I think even this video creator is trying to hide the fact that TopGun was a good script and directing while Indy 5 is the complete opposite. Stating the truth would be putting the correct blame on those in charge. Heavy Spoilers is trying to not to anger the blue hairs , imho . There’s a middle ground between too honest and full of sh*t.
It’s been said that there was going to be a mid credit end scene where Indy and fleabag go to a house in the Himalayan’s where short round lives. He then gives them a map to the next adventure.
Yeah! Everyone should have a war plane or a Tom cruise in their movie 😉😂
If you are not into war or Tom just too bad
If you think Tom is emotional in his movies, you must have miss « Abort! Abort! «
Right. Instead of belittling and undermining the titular character.
The director even admitted to doing the exact thing that’s making these franchises bomb. He said he knew what the audience wanted to see and decided to do the opposite. Why do directors keep alienating audiences and expecting good results??
Really, wow.
@@teeahtateyeah he said he knew the audience wanted to see Indiana go back in time and fight Nazis so he built that expectation up the whole movie only for Indiana to go back in time for a boring conversation in a foreign language with Archimedes. Absolutely baffling.
@@nicks1451boring for you, but the person that I saw it with was absolutely thrilled with that sequence of going back in time. Some people like history more than others, and it makes sense that a film about an archaeologist what appeal to those people
@@nicks1451 I'm with you on this, I felt like it was misused. I work in VFX so let me say, uh... don't pick something SO far fetched if you're trying to making things seem grounded and real. Indiana Jones has always felt tangible because they limited themselves to things they could do with effects at the time. Since CGI they've really done things in many movies that, well if you can't do it right, it looks BAD. That whole sequence was rough. The ticker tape parade chase was rough. Eels? Better but, unfamiliar, weird. I totally expected some useable aspect to the time travel, but it was a thing that was just tacked on at the end... MEH. Oh, also if anyone has seen The Flash, 1 minute in and you'll know why it failed. It's EXACTLY the sort of trash you expect. Bad dialogue, the effects are dumb, things that could be serious are VERY not.... oof.
Because people are stupid and have to nitpick everything. What should have happened was leave the franchise in peace. Fuck the fans, and everyone's still happy. Simple
Rule # 1 in marketing: Don't alienate your core audience.
Rule #1 for Hollywood: “we have an endless pile of cash to throw at poor scripts and bad directors”
Rule number two for the world:” commit war crimes and start of 9/11 attack And close the rise of Skynet Multiverse War to 11.
I'm part of the core audience and I was happy with the movie. Perhaps not everybody shares the same opinion, but apparently more people didn't like what they saw in the trailers than did. But, I do think that in 10 years, people won't be having the same negative view of the movie. By that time the core audience will likely have lost interest and actually viewed the movie.
@@SmallSpoonBrigadeThe problem for some people is not even the movie but rather politics. I've read a lot people gleefully stating they are happy companies like Disney are losing money because "they've gone woke"!
Facts
Nobody wants to see their hero’s die or be destroyed - I mean I watched in horror to see Optimus Prime die on screen, I can even tell you how that felt. To see Luke be dismantled, or other characters be reduced by Disney is just a bad move.
Indiana Jones isn't 'reduced' he's a old man that still handles himself. I read all the bad reviews of this film, and yunno what, after actually SEEING it wich i doubt 75% of critics have actually done...its a fairly enjoyable film, all this shows is how dumb effing TH-cam has become.
@@mikethebloodthirsty Your opinion, but I’ve got to say this film was complete rubbish. When the plot has no reason to exist then you know it’s bad. Disney is the worst company ever, they destroy everything they touch, I hate them so much !!!!!!!!
@@GriffonVoid exactly
You can kill your hero but it has to be a heroic death.
Exactly, we are tired of seeing our heros look like crap. It is not entetaining.
We had closure at the end of Last Crusade. The main characters literally rode off into the sunset.
Flash: we all knew ahead of time that after this movie, the entire DC universe will be rebooted. Therefore, there is no reason to watch it.
It was unclear why we needed Crystal Skulls after a gap of nearly 20 years. At that point, they should have recast the role and given us a movie that was more consistent with the previous ones.
I totally agree with you! I recently rewatched the series, and I stopped at that movie. No need for Crystal skull. Far as I'm concerned there was only three Indy movies.
@@EverettBurgerThe fact that we knew that there would be nothing building off of it, and all of the drama going on with that groomer person. Not even going to say his name, or their name or whatever.
I disagree with the closure and chapter 3. They still had not addressed what happened with Marion. I needed to see that definitively closed one way or the other.
A couple reasons why is because
1. It’s a movie no one asked for
2. Lucasfilm, Disney and Kathleen Kennedy bad reputation they have with fans and audiences
3. Bad reviews from Cannes
4. Younger generations not being interested
5. Packed Month
6. Endless streaming content
Yep. No one cared or asked
I don't think anyone outside the "I'll love it no matter what because that's what true fans do" clique actually cares to see this movie. I've loved this franchise since childhood and I just can't be bothered.
Packed month is right! Everything comes out in summer
Easily the best comment here.
I don't think it is so complicated. It is simply that the film is not what anyone wanted. We wanted an Atlantis Indy film. We wanted an Emperor's Tomb movie. We wanted a movie by people who understand the character of Indiana Jones (not just the costume). Just because Hollywood thinks they have something that will get people's money, doesn't make people just run out and see it if we can all tell it is going to be dumb.
I'd have settled for infernal machine
We wanted a Lucasfilm movie without an obnoxious Kathleen Kennedy self insert character shoving aside or belittling our beloved characters.
The movie was actually pretty good. It's the very vocal online hate machine that's been keeping audiences away.
@@tedsheridan8725 The time travel kept me away.
@@tedsheridan8725 the film sucks and its stupid we dont want indiana jones traveling thru time it should have stopped earlier plus i wont go to a woke film
I think the issue is no one was asking for this. The movie got made because someone wanted to add yet another entry into a franchise in a time when big companies expand franchises out well past their natural end point. Audiences are starting to wise up.
I think the story tanked the movie.
Everyone always says it failed because "no one was asking for this".
That would only work if there were never any movies that succeed that no one was asking for.
Can you think of any movies that succeeded but no one was asking for?
Yes, yes you can.
No one was asking for a Top Gun revival with an old man star.
No one was asking for a Mario Bros movie.
No one was asking for a Lego Movie.
No one was asking for a Pirates of the Caribbean disney ride movie.
DOD/Indy 5 got made as a cash grab. No one asked for this crap, just like no one asked for Solo: A Star Wars story. Another outright box office bomb. Ford is the common denominator; he went from box office gold to OLD TOAD.
Not really if the story was good it would succeed
My kids and I went to the theater and watched the new Spiderman movie over the weekend. My kids are 9, 13 and 15. I let them choose which movie that we saw. Guardians, Spiderman, Indiana Jones, Elemental and the Little Mermaid were all playing at the theater. My kids went back and forth between Guardians and Spiderman. They didn't even consider the other movies.
Edit: I have two daughters and a son. I don't know if that matters but my girls chose Spiderman over Indiana Jones, Elemental and the Little Mermaid.
They didn't wanna see the Little Mermaid?! According to the Left and the actress, they must he racist
Did you guys enjoy it? I watched both Flash and Spiderman and the latter was much more enjoyable.
I watched Indy and both me and the wife loved it
My son, and I go to movies every other weekend. We have seen Spider-Man, elemental, and now Indiana Jones. He went to go see little mermaid with his grandmother and his sister and her both over 10.
The summer has been a summer of movies for us, and we enjoyed them all. And Elemento was cute and funny. Spider-Man was amazing. Pardon the pun in Indiana Jones to me filled all the boxes for an Indiana Jones movie. They were Nazis. I was fighting they were antique, antique stuff that no one ever heard of. There was Antonio Banderas and he’s really dreamy , I don’t know why people thought this Indiana Jones movie would suck? Maybe because they think Harrison Ford was too old and he be the first wanna tell you that he’s too old but it was a riproaring. Good time. A summer popcorn movie where you suspend all beliefs and enjoy it
@@kadarabdullahiWe enjoyed Spiderman. The only complaint that I heard was from my son. He didn't feel like the movie needed a cliff hanger. He thought that they could have tied up all of the loose ends by the end of the movie. We will definitely see the next Miles Morales adventure when it comes out.
I feel like a big part of it is also the way Disney has handled legacy characters recently. I haven’t seen many ads for the new movie but I don’t have faith it’ll be good so I’ll wait for Disney+. If Disney doesn’t wanna respect what some of these characters mean to people then why should we care to show up and see it?
At least Indy doesn’t die, and Marion comes back at the end
My dad grew up with these films and enjoyed it. Don’t listen to the bad reviews, they’re just looking to be mad at this point.
@@someangrypotato7197 nobody stopping you from liking turd bro
The studios are all in our pockets each month for streaming services, so why pay them twice to see the movie since it hits streaming so quickly now
The movie should have been Indy and Short Round going on one epic adventure to find the time device so that Indy could save his son. If not that then just have Indy, Short Round, Mutt and Marion all going off on a cool adventure together with Mutt finally inheriting the mantle. Any of those 2 options would have worked
Not really. Short Round was annoying as shit and Mutt was utterly pointless. Crystal Skull was a lesson that the franchise went too far. Guess people are a little stupid to realize that.
@@Amp661 They had a chance to redeem that though. Apparently, people are appreciating Short Round and Mutt after this movie, lol. I haven't seen it, no interest. Riding into the sunset was the perfect ending for me.
Imagine if they meshed what you described with the final fight in time splitters 3
Lucasfilm chased away all their fans. This is all their own making. Good for them
Did they? I've stopped watching the Star Wars stuff, purely because there's too much of it. It's not because I didn't like what I saw. (Except for the Mandalorian that was absolutely terrible and pretty much just designed for people obsessed with Star Wars lore)
@@SmallSpoonBrigade They do not only make Star Wars stuff. There was also the Hollow show. Not sure of the rest, but yeah, they did have it coming.
Yes Lucasfilm chased away all their fans because that's what Fox News said.
The TV shows (Andor, Mando, etc) have plenty of fans and there are a whole lot of normal people who don't take this stuff seriously either way. Terrible marketing is a big part of this.
@@TheNobleFive Andor ( a show I liked,) had the worst ratings of any streaming SW show. Mando season 3 pretty much erased any goodwill that show had garnered from the first 2 seasons. Kenobi and Boba Fett were just not well received either
So I'm a huge Indiana Jones fan, I watch the classics(you know which ones I'm talking about) every few years and it never gets old and I never had excitement for this film or the one before it to be honest.
Crystal Skull is tolerable. Dial of Destiny isn't. Remain a huge fan and don't watch this woke cash grab.
same here!
I don’t want to continue the negative discussion but I do admit while watching this, I really just wanted to go home and watch Raiders instead.
I was excited for it again. In the end, the pacing is different. The tone is more somber, which I'm old enough to deal with, and the pacing seems a little slower. Is it as bad as the fourth film? Not sure. In any case, had they closed the chapter of his life with Marion in the third film, I would have been content with just a trilogy. But the fourth and fifth films helped tie up that loose end, so one of them was needed, in my opinion
@@LindaC616 So, Linda, you're O.K. with a woman punching an 80-year old man in the face? Gimme a break!
Too many remakes and sequels and not enough passion. But the passion projects bomb too. I think Hollywood needs to take a long break alongside the strike and make people crave for new entertainment.
And pay writers, and work towards creativity rather than financial greed and doing an Amazon to the CGI and screenwriters.
We want to see good movies with likeabe characters.
@@teeahtate And even that can't be guaranteed these days.
I think a big issue is sequels period. I’m not talking about more movies. We are fine with ongoing Bond movies but tying characters to specific actors are fine for a while but can be crippling after a while.
Case in point. Not everybody can be Rom Cruise and you won't see him at 80 in the same roles. Nope! Not happening 😮
@@tmmartinesq.6216 that’s true and there is something about Harrison that wasn’t always true per se and it’s the grumpy old man shtick. He seems to have been playing that off “screen” in interviews like we all think it’s funny. It was a little funny when he had the fight with Chewbacca on Kimmel but movies like this it’s like let’s see how grumpy and bitter we can make him. I’ve seen other movies where he wasn’t that way at all. It seems like movies have a hard time dealing with realistic aging and death. It was probably handled better in the movie Space Cowboys
Here’s an interesting example Labyrinth. The film was considered a bomb in the 80s yet resonated with generations of audiences. They announced a sequel originally to be directed by Fede Alvarez but he left and Scott Derrickson took over the project. No updates over the last few years. Imagine the best and worst case scenarios and then remember it’s a LucasFilm.
That's likely to be what happens here. I see so much hate on Indy 5 that's just not justified. I mean, I literally saw somebody say that it was the worst movie of the year, somebody else said that it was worse that Crystal Skulls and a reviewer claimed that Teddy just knew how to fly a plane later in the film, when it was established pretty much as soon as the character was introduced that he was studying how planes are flown.
It's definitely not the best Indy film, but it is a pretty decent movie. And we finally have an explanation as to why Indy didn't believe in magic after having witnessed it in Temple of Doom when it came up in Raiders.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade It IS the worst Indie movie ever made.
@@AmigaWolf Shut up! And it’s ****Indy, you nitwit!
Such a great point about the loss of profits from physical media! I still collect physical media and hate the idea that I cannot own a copy of the movies I love. Streaming is definitely hurting Hollywood in so many ways!
Same, the idea of owning a blu ray with the director’s commentary and all the extras.
Particularly after Disney+, Netflix and the other guys showed audiences exactly what they can(not) expect in terms of long-term availability. Streaming services mainly addresses people who go "I want to see something, anything entertaining tonight", but certainly not "I feel like watching xy again". In this respect, it's more an equivalent to traditional TV zapping than a medium for movie lovers.
It's not even profitable. Look at how Netflix had to restructure itself. It will never be able to replace an actual box office.
John Wick 4 Made almost $450 million, Across the Spiderverse made over $600 million... You know why? Because they're awesome. If they produced great films that are entertaining instead of bad films with added political or 'other' messaging they might not be in this situation. So sad, too bad...
Spider verse had a lot of progressive messaging baked into the themes.
Some of it was even overt like a Trans Rights flag with "Protect Trans Kids" written on top of it hanging in Gwen's room. This even got the movie banned at the last minute in some countries.
The movie is doing well because it was made well. Progressive political messaging doesn't inherently scare people away if it's just done well.
But when it isn't everyone hops on TH-cam to write video essays about "wokeness" lol.
Seeing indy like this Makes me sad, but people are just done w bs right now
🤘🏿I guess Indiana Jones is in the Temple of Doom. 🤣
This franchise needed a fresh, rugged face like Brandon Sklenar, from 1923, to continue the adventure film series. Indiana Jones as we love him. A strong yet intelligent man who stands up to bad people intent on using mystical and powerful historical talismans to create chaos in the world. That's his whole schtick. Instead ..we got Kathleen Kennedy's insertion of a Mary Sue character who literally epitomizes everything the hero shouldn't be. She literally takes the hero role away from the actual name on the marquee and punches him in the face to boot. This was a giant miscalculation in the direction of this franchise. Crystal Skull wasn't great but, the ending had a good vibe with Indy walking out with Marion, whilst smiling at Mutt placing the fedora back onto his head. It was genuine. He was walking out on his terms.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull could've been a proper ending if the movie was any good. The flaws in that film were numerous AND embarassing considering the actual crystal skulls have been a well known conundrum in Archeology and even Anthropological timeframes.
Shia Lebouf was a solid replacement for Jones.
In that scene where the hat blew away during the wedding sequence and Lebouf reached for it, had Jones reached out to his 'newly minted son' and said something like, "perfect fit" it would've healed their relationship and effectively passed the torch to Lebouf.
By Lebouf's 3rd film, Ford could've come back to complete a FULL 'Last Crusade' kinda film like Ford had with Connery and the return of Harrison Ford would've SOLD THE FUCK OUT!
In these kinds of films, you don't think in terms of one film, you have to pre-plan the 'Series Arc' to bring characters pay-off full circle by a multi-film completion.
This shit isn't hard...studios and over-paid executives MAKE IT HARD because they have NO talent.
Good points.
Not only do they lack talent, they do have sociopolitical agendas to force, and those run contrary to telling good stories.
I've enjoyed the channel for quite a while and I'm particularly impressed with this video, I think you address this really comprehensively as there are clearly a variety of factors at play. You and everyone at the channel involved with this video should feel damn proud.
It's Captain strong woman Kennedy. She so full of her self
Exactly ! Look at TopGun is about an old man and old ip but the script is good. I think there’s a lot of gaslighting to obfuscate from the reality of people like Kathleen Kennedy who RUIN movies
How did she ruin the movie? Did she ruin Rouge One, Andor, the Mando, etc? I don't like the sequel trilogy as much as a lot of people but people blame "wokeness" and "strong women" as a crutch without even thinking for themselves these days. It's brainrot lol.
I think we are in a time when directors and writers can do whatever they want regardless of limitations because cg can make it possible regardless and I think that has gotten us into a time when they don't have to think about the logistics of what they are writing so they don't have to think about it on a deeper level and just put in writing whatever crosses their mind and make someone else worry about the logistics and this is ruining the realism of the movies and this turning them all into just sci-fi video games. It's like when we went from actual sitcoms to reality TV where the producers were just making money on someone else acting dumb.
The shift away from sitcoms to reality TV was a result of the writers strike. Reality TV is much cheaper to produce, and you might expect something similar to happen after this current strike is over.
I'd say its the opposite. These days they'll never let a filmmaker have full creative control. Its all written by committee and the committee is helmed exclusively by out of touch producers in a boardroom who have no concept of story structure. Back when they let a single skillful auteur run the show, thats when we got Spielberg, and David Lynch. But now, they will neuter any substance a showrunner would bring to the table before it even left the writers room.
right. limitations are good, in fact essential, for creativity. remove the limitations and you remove most of the creativity
I think a great example of what you mention is the climax of Back to the Future, because the original idea was to have Marty go back to 1985 in a nuclear explosion, but the sequence was going to be so expensive that Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale decided to do something on a not so large scale and as a result they gave us one of the best climaxes in cinema.
Between the theaters ripping us off for snacks and fees and studios refusing to come up with any original movies it's like they're trying to drive us away from seeing new movies.
Many have still been big hits this summer (such as Spider-Man, Mission Impossible, Transformers, and even Elemental which has rebounded)
I don't get why they didn't give Indiana a proper friend to go around with during the whole movie. In Raiders he had Karen and Sallah, in Temple of Doom he had Willie and Short Round, in Last Crusade he had Marcus and his dad and in Crystal Skull he had Mutt and Karen again but this time everyone was either trying to kill him or betray him and then for some reason right at the very end, Elizabeth decides to be friends with him. He could've had Sallah fly to Morocco with him to get the dial piece and have a friend with him during the movie but he stayed in America instead and left him alone
Kingdom of the crystal skulls seemed to be an ideal purpose for a series finale
He should have just let his son take the hat, I mean, it was funny when he takes it back from him, but that was the time to pass the baton, and the potential new indy is far worse that LaBeouf...
@@sprinkle61 No one could have imagined at the time that they would find a worse replacement than LaBeouf's character.
Had this movie been really really good it MIGHT have had a chance of doing well. Assuming they made it for $120 million... As it stands, neither kids or fans want to see some old geezer complain about being old and be upstaged by (yet another) British brunette. Also... Dial of Destiny? Really? Time travel is the best they could come up with? C'mon.
I was a little dubious at first. I wanted to like it and had high hopes, especially after Crystal skull. I mean, everyone wants their heroes to stay just that. So you go in with a healthy dose of nostalgia and trust that they'll handle such an iconic role w respect and reverence but it seems to only attempt to recreate familiar moments of the past. Phoebe CAN be good in small doses, but I think she was not the right choice. Even Short Round (which seemed like a logical choice given his recent return to fame) could have helped. The movie had a depressing miasthma and brought an ever-present sense of waning mortality. Mads did his job but lazy writing and a weak ending (almost Oz-like) did this series- ending chapter a disrespectful disservice to this franchise. I'm sorry.
Agree with most of this
No need to apologise, you're right. He should've been given a friend to go round with like he had been for the other films. Sallah wasn't going with him for some reason, he could've always bumped into Short Round in Morocco and then he's got his friend to go round with. His god-daughter constantly wanted to betray him until the planes. None of his students even wanted to learn anything for some reason. He was the most popular teacher in the college in every film and suddenly only the teachers like him and he's retiring
@calumcollings75 lol, that's a current trend as well-- "let's dismiss people over 45"
The fact that you are the only one I know that tell us viewers that we can dislike the video if we want instead of the usual "smash the like-button" makes me wanna smash the like button.
But then, also, you make good and interesting content that deserves the like too.
Thank you.
hollywood didn't foolishly kill DVDs, the internet and new tech did. Hollywood just adapted as best as it could.
The trailer opened with ‘Sympathy for the Devil’ when Ford appeared. Disney made it 100% clear they hated Indy and couldn’t wait for him to go. They tried to make PWB the new Indy but test audiences hated it so much they were forced to reshoot major portions of the movie. Disney is infected with a terminal social contagion.
At least Indy didn’t die, and Marion returned in the end.
So it wasn’t a total loss I guess
What is "a terminal social contagion"? I wondered if you just can elaborate on that terminology, as I've not heard it used before.
I've seen Across The Spider verse three times. It's because it's great where as people's opinions I respect have given all the films you mentioned a lukewarm reception at best.
That line from Jurassic Park will be true until the end of time, everybody trying to figure out if they could and never stopping to consider if they should
What went wrong is allowing Kathleen Kennedy and Phoebe Waller-Bridge too much control over the writing and decisions of the movie.
And here we have 95% of the real problem that some have with Lucasfilm these days.
Very original comment.
@Highbrowser Exactly. Deeply untalented people being given positions that are well beyond their capabilities. Watered-down products that appeal to no one except the less than discerning consumers out there.
pretty much this - 'mama KK' decided for the rest of us 'children' what's best, and what we need to see in the Indiana Jones movies she as making 'for us'. this movie had at last 6 planned possible endings, numerous input from the director on what is working and what isn't- and what could happen to make it better- in the end she decided she knew what was best and overr rode everyone to shit out this...drivel.
Fleabag didn't help matters either, she's just as much to blame, whispering in KK's ear and tinkering with the script so she comes off heroic and brave. KK and Lucasfilm have a proven history of alienating writers and directors, and destroying scripts- and it all starts right at the top...every single time
Kathleen Kennedy has just been FIRED for trying to ram this garbage down our throats.
I'm 53, grew up with Star Wars and Indy. I liked this film, but if my son hadn't talked me into it, I likely would have waited for it. I am definitely in that I can wait for streaming camp. I waited for the latest Avatar and pretty much everything else this year.
Why? Because movies are really expensive. People are making money decisions for themselves and their families. Most already spent a ton on watching Super Mario Bros with their kids and were like "That's it. Gonna have to wait to watch other stuff when it gets to stream."
Honestly, I think that's it. It was $54 for me to go with my wife and get a couple popcorns. And with the incessant badmouthing of the movie by people that don't appear to have watched it, that's a pretty big gamble. Then you talk about bringing kids along with you or the multiple viewings that movies like this count on to make there money back and it was an extremely risky wager when budgeting it.
Word of mouth is very important. All of the recent movies that have bombed had massive marketing budgets and terrible word of mouth.
The problem with word of mouth these days is you have all these groups of culture warriors who actively and deliberately crap on anything that offends them. They’ll review bomb things over a gay kiss, a strong female lead, any liberal politics, etc. The internet can’t tell the difference between bad faith squat-popping and actual sincere bad word of mouth.
Yes, but I don't see that happening here. I see a bunch of comments from people that haven't watched the movie based on things that weren't in the movie. I think the Rotten Tomatoes scores are much more representative of the film than the comment sections on these review videos are and the audience score is now 88%.
I've told the people that I know that I liked the movie. It's not as good as the original trilogy, but it is worth seeing and it is a fun movie. Just don't go watching it and expecting to have the same feel that we got from the original trilogy as it's not quite a that level. But, it is fun and I likely will be buying a DVD copy for my library. I never bought Indy 4 and likely never will unless there's another movie that justifies a second box set purchase.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade IMO negative word of mouth starts with the marketing. Look at Morbius. Nobody saw that movie in the theater and it was a running joke for months.
You have great insights. We will always support you.
I think the saturation of Summer blockbusters. So for me for example I'm waiting to see Oppenheimer in IMAX and then dune which isn't even to Summer movie.
EASY we have had OVER A FULL YEAR of BAD NEWS from this movie, including NUMEROUS leaks, and ALL of which the fans BEGGED not to be true, we had had over a year of pain and torture, so most of us, just REFUSE to see the movie, just to prevent us from feeling any more pain.
> Rushed
> Bad Writing
> Toxic Work Environment
I think there are a lot of reasons for the bombs we are seeing lately. Flash had the Ezra Miller controversy and DC hasn't delivered well. Indy I think there were rumors that Phoebe Bridge was going to take over the franchise and I think people were like "I don't want that." That rumor has no traction in reality and yet people seem to have run with it. That and Crystal Skull had a lot of bad memories. That and Indy has the perfect ending in Last Crusade.
You left out the time travel.
Have to say I loved Indy 5 and thought PWB was actually very good
@@JeffCirillo Time travel is fine if done properly.
@@stephenunderwood7011 She is good once you realize her character is meant to be unlikeable. She pulled that off.
@@robertsinfiniterealms1308 Flying an airplane through the sky and winding up in 214 B.C. is fine?
What's sad is that Disney and other studios seem to REFUSE to take any responsibility for poorly received films. They seem to blame everything, and everyone, except for the crappy scripts that they continue to green light.
less money (so less risk) and more trust of the people who create the films, especially the initially ideas. Sequels, spin offs and remakes that cost the year profit of a medium sized company are boring.
All good points you've made, and fair too. I think they (Hollywood in general) just try too hard to make these films "about" something, to give them weight. Unfortunately, the way this happens is almost always by imposing their cultural/political views on the characters. When are they just going to make a film that's fun, pure and simple? (ask Tom Cruise - he knows).
Human rights aren't "cultural/political views".
Criticism plays a role in movoes bombing as well. That's why I dont listen to critics about movies.
Maybe the simplest explanation is that people are bored with cynical, tedious corporate “entertainment” and over expensive, over saturated, over hyped media! Not to mention, the public now are used to the fact that if they wait about a month, they can watch it essentially for free on a streaming service.
Elementals and other animated movies have been facing a lot of saturation and competition, with many of them coming out back to back (Spider-Verse, Mario, the Little Mermaid, Teenage Kraken, Etc)
Gotta make that money somehow.
No, it's cause there was a non binary character and people are revolting against the wind agenda
Elemental was a legit gem and breath of fresh air though.
It’s not based on a or existing product and not a sequel or remake .
Ruby Gillman however was pretty bland and overall forgettable though
The problem with Indiana Jones vs Star Wars or James Bond is they let the franchise go quiet for 15 to years without anything major before bring out a movie. They should have done a cartoon live Clone Wars after the last movie to keep him in mind and introduce him to younger generations.
Good point. Didn't they have a "young IJ" series on tv?
@@LindaC616 yes in the 90s. But that series was more semi historical stuff and much less two fisted pulp adventures.
@@jasonking3182 I feel like that might have worked, though.
What's wrong with introducing old movies to young generations? Why does it always have to be a "reboot" or whatever?
@@Amp661 If you want an IP to be something that last decades like Star Wars, Star Trek, James Bond, Batman, then you absolutely need to refresh it ever so many years to keep it in people’s minds. However you could go the Back to the Future, ET route and let the originals stand as Classics. The problem with Indiana Jones is they tried to do both at the same time.
When the original Indy came out, you had to wait YEARS before it would be rentable, IF you could afford a VCR! It was NEVER on TV and the ONLY way you could watch it, was in the theater. Now, you have access to the movie at the SAME time as it's in the theater... WITHOUT paying RIDICULOUS movie theater prices... and that's not including snacks and whatnot!
They need to stop making these films with $300+ million budgets, it’s getting out of control with how many movies cost anywhere between $300-$500 million after budget & marketing.
The budget for Raiders of the Lost Ark was only $20 million back in 1980 when they filmed it. With inflation that's nearly $70 million now. And Disney spent $300 million for this one, just insane!
@@ARBLACKxexactly, no reason this movie needed to cost over $100 million.
Practical effects. Easier to do with younger actors, and good directors who don't use CGI as a crutch. Spielberg knows how to use CGI, of course (Ready Player One), but he also knows how to do PRACTICAL - which looks more genuine and saves money.
You are the only creator from the high point of my nerdy entertainment enjoyment who provided what feels like an honest perspective on this.
How Kathleen Kenedy has her job still blows my mind. She has to have dirt on someone or secret connections
I heard someone say she should be dowsed in acid then burnt, I would not agree to that, maybe just sack her.
I think a big part is digital releases and home theaters. You don't have to wait for physical media to be made anymore. It used to be that a movie wouldn't be watchable at home for months to a year after it was released in theaters. Now it's all digital. Some have same day streaming releases. Also, people have 4K tv's and surround sound. Wait a few months and I can watch Indy at home while smoking and relaxing. Instead of going to an overpriced theater full of dick bags who talk and use their phone the whole time. In the end it's all just proof that as tech advances, capitalism (money in general) becomes less sustainable. AI is next. Soon it won't be that people are just waiting for home releases. It'll be: why do I need to watch a big studio blockbuster, when the kid down the street did something just as good on his pc and he's showing it for free?
I'll admit I don't have either a 4K setup or surround sound system. Just got a regular old full HD TV and TV speakers. 🫤
@mainstreetsaint36 Great analysis. Consumers have lots of entertainment options now and TH-cam is one of them!
@@tmmartinesq.6216 yeah, lots of content creators on TH-cam have some amazing production quality. I have premium instead of Netflix or Hulu because I was mostly watching stuff on TH-cam. Like recently I was blown away by Kane Pixel's Backrooms.
I just saw the movie on a 70 ft. screen with amazing sound for $15, (it was a great deal of fun btw). That's the average monthly fee for one of these lousy streaming services that mostly showcase movies you've already seen or a bunch of unwatchable crap. No matter how big your flat screen is, it can't compete with a giant cinema screen and if you had that kind of sound the neighbors would call the police. I don't know what neighborhoods you frequent but I've been going to the movies my entire life and I can point to maybe one instance of audience bad behavior. People will still be attracted to the theatre experience and the communal advantages of seeing a film with an audience.
*GOOD or BAD LEADERS Lead by Example* - KK’s dismantling of franchises & the quality of those movies show you what kind of leader she is!!
It was supposed to launch Phoebe Waller-Bridge as a female Indy, which is the main reason it failed.
I really think now that KK emasculate her directors. That would explain why all the movies and series that comes out from talented directors are shadows of their previous successes. I really don't think they feel safe creatively around her.
But she also makes poor choices in Directors, hiring Dan and Dave only for them to not to deliver and for her having to scramble for a replacement.
With how expensive going to a movie theater these days combined with how quickly things go to streaming combined with home TV’s becoming better and better it’s a wonder any movies make money tbh
Yeah, but some movies you HAVE to see in a theater.
In my opinion, anyways.
This and Spider man movies are the ones that Have to:
I watched it yesterday in a fairly packed theater and I enjoyed it. I think it was not as good as the first 3, and better than the Crystal Skull
I think that's where I fall too, although I've never been a huge fan of the second one
I think post COVID, theater attendance will never bounce back to pre-pandemic levels. Part of this is likely attributable to the huge ticket prices increase. My wife and two kids went to see Indians Jones. Tickets came to $80.00! That’s more than 4 months of Netflix fees. Not only was our theater only 1/4 full on 4th of July weekend! And it wasn’t just about the film. The AMC was an 18 screen megaplex, and the whole place was a ghost town. No one was seeing anything else either, it seemed.
Didn’t stop Top Gun Maverick and Mario from making over a billion dollars
@@RYMAN1321fair point. but with high prices, maybe people are choosing which films to watch carefully, and not seeing others. Top Gun was very good at making the case for spending the money.
Many people didn't realize it, but this Indiana Jones movie contains a lot of references to real good classics. Like the Heinkel 111 bomber that comes from "The Battle of Britain" which was also from 1969. And the beginning of Ford walking around in SS uniform was from the 1969 Star Trek episode with Spock dressed as an SS officer. We also see that Mercedes Benz in Tangier in the Exorcist. And Paperclip Nazis also feature in "The Marathon Man" (1976). So for the movie fan there is plenty to recognize.
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I hate when executives think that wearing some Jordan’s, Air Force 1s, or converse makes them “hip and relatable”. They’re not.
Anytime I see a great IP I expect a terrible movie. I just assume executives these days hijack IP’s to get return on big investments without caring about the movie at all, it would be like someone gambling on your love life without giving a damn who you end up with. Your gonna get some toxic abusive shitheads so they can make a dollar
I also think that Hollywood has so much cash that they really don’t care how bad the showrunners are. Great acting 99% of the time can’t salvage a crappy script , imo
You know why Star Wars and Indiana Jones were such massive successes back in the day?
They were original. They didn't originate as sequels or remakes. Studios are going to have to go back to taking chances with new ideas, because it's looking like taking chances with old ones - sequels, remakes and what-not, is looking to be just as risky. Christopher Nolan rose to fame with low budget risk taking. Why can't the big Studios try doing the same?
The least-common denominator in all these Disney failures: Kathleen Kennedy.
You could delay these movies to home video as long as you want, they'd still fail. If there's something out there I really want to see, I'll go see it, home video be gosh darned.
My internet went out for a couple hours recently and I was trembly happy I have a extensive 4K dvd collection to watch. If all I did was stream I wouldn’t have had the movies to watch while the internet was out.
Indy could've been a character that produced action adventure films for decades, like James Bond, by recasting the lead role. Also, I had no idea Elemental had been released in cinemas!
No doubt, surprised they didn’t make more
Also huge thank you for the support
As someone who has been watching these films and theater since they began, I don't know that I would have taken kindly to a recasting. He truly is the creator of the character, and if I had seen them try to substitute another actor the way they do with James Bond, I most likely would have quit watching the films
I feel like Bradley Cooper ot or Chirs Pratt should've been the next Indiana Jones
@@pomo1697 Yesssss!
I think something people don’t consider too much is that movies are just way more expensive to do now because of so much more streaming content being produced there probably aren’t enough people from behind the camera. Plus streaming shows now are just better than movies looking pretty good and having much more time to explore characters and themes.
Didn’t stop Top Gun Maverick or Mario from making over a billion dollars.
Hell despite some recent Marvel films getting mixed reviews most if not all have made over a half billion
@@RYMAN1321 i was more talking about why movie budgets are higher now with less people seeing them. Like consider that original top gun made 350 million on a 15 million budget. That is about 23 times its budget where maverick made 1.5 billion on 170 million budget. also 15 million adjusted for inflation is around 45 million which shows how much more movies cost now to make.
cause it's a bad movie. Good movies make money. Bad movies don't.
That’s not true in the slightest - the box office doesn’t reflect quality.
They think spending money means profit. It's not the money, it's the story.
I think you bring up some good points here Paul and team. I just wonder how much the culture around films and the cinema experience has been altered, along with cost of living, and such. I actually enjoyed the movie but it makes me sad to see cinema in decline. A lot of my friends are just into streaming and waiting till movies come out on streaming. I love going to the cinema and the entire experience. Even the annoying people that check their phones, talk through out the whole movie, and those pesky little Apple Watches that light up! Oh the horror!!! Anywho, I love the experience in general and frequent the AMC cinemas a few times a month. I will say though that perhaps the Nicole Kidman spot right before a movie starts is deterring people from going! At least AMC movie goers. 😂
A few weeks ago, a friend and I went to see a film and we're so disturbed by a group of teenagers whose parents had dropped them off for 2 hours to socialize that we complained to the management. They were just running and jumping up and down the stairs every five minutes. Eventually, management asked them to leave. We got comp tickets. However, when we went to use them last night to see Indy, we were told that we could not use those because Disney doesn't like it. That was my cue to the fact that this was a Disney film and that give me now owns the franchise.
We decided not to go see it on Friday or Saturday, because I told her that if I had to deal with noisy teenagers again, I was going to be upset, because this was a film I really wanted to see/get lost in. As it turns out, we missed the 4:20 show because it was mostly sold out, and my friend is picky about where she sits. So we went back at 6:20, and again, it was pretty full, but there were mostly families there. Not one person checking their phone, making noise, or disturbing anyone else throughout the entire film. It was magical! Just like movies used to be
@@LindaC616 I always find it amusing when I hear people complaining about audience distractions in a movie. They'd rather stay at home where they can experience every distraction known to man. When Stanley Kubrick was asked how he liked the medium of television he said, "What can you say about a medium where with on flick of the eye you are looking at the cat scratching post ?"
@everettengbers3553 well I'm glad you find it amusing. But it wasn't that. I live in a town where there isn't much for young kids to do. People drop their children off there and let them be somebody else's problem for 2 hours. A few weeks ago, we were trying to watch the new film based on a Stephen King short story, and the 13 to 15 or 16 year old kids were in and out of the theater every 5 minutes. But they weren't just walking in and out of the theater, they were running and jumping down the wide steps. They were acting like they were five, and they were much older. Not to mention the talking etcetera. Basically, they were not there to see the film at all. They were using it as a space to eat junk food and talk to their friends. Eventually, they got tossed out. So it wasn't t my imagination. But thanks for gaslighting
I finally saw it. First thing that came to mind, it wasn't near as bad as many of the early previewers are saying, IMO better than Crystal Skull. IMO a lot of the early bad reviews was from those channels that are adamant about complaining about any movie w/ a leading lady. Yes, Waller Bridge's character was unlikeable and abrasive, especially in her disrespect, but her attitude was informed by her history w/ Indy and what happened to her father, so it wasn't out of the blue. Yes, they sped through the 'relationship' w/ her father, it might've been better had they said she was the daughter of someone Indy had history with in the movies, but introducing a new 'friend' to explain the heroin was a bad call.
Did they expect Indy to still be swash buckling at his age? He wasn't a secondary character and did do some puzzle solving.
The movie was overly long, they didn't need to include Banderas' character for a cameo, there was at least 20 minutes that could've been removed. The CGI in the parade scene was off putting, and seeing Ford trying to run and keep up...well you can only suspend disbelief for so long.
But in the end, not as bad as Crystal Skull, not as bad as doom sayers are saying, but definitely better to watch at home than in theaters. 6/10 from me.
Honestly why do you think crystal skull to be worst?
Cgi probably? Unbelievable moments, aliens?
@@rsdillbot3646 Crystal Skull felt like a bunch of concepts inserted into a 'standard' Indiana Jones story, except this time, we do the opposite of Last Crusade and make Indy the curmudgeon old guy. The CGI was horrendous, they can never take back the scene w/ Mutt swinging through the trees w/ the Monkees and the whole movie over all felt like a money grab because there didn't feel like effort was put into a good 'story'. Also, seeing interviews where Spielberg said Lucas wanted 'Aliens' in the Last Crusade, (luckily Spielberg talked Lucas out of it) so Aliens was inevitably going to be in the Indy movies if Lucas could manage it.... reminds me of Akroyd w/ his crazy UFO/Alien beliefs/rants. That left a worse impression in my mind about CS.
As much as I was confused and not sure how I felt about the 'twist' of going back 2000 years, at least it was different than all the other scripts and also showed that Indy was a lover of history after all the accusations in the movie that he was a 'grave robber'.
And as far as haters screeching about Waller Bridge's character punching Indy out so they could take him back. She had to do that, no way was Indy NOT going to 'change history' combined w/ Archimedes. He couldn't stay.
As a member of Gen Z, when these old franchises were at their prime I either did not exist or was a baby/child and now I’m all grown up with my own money to stream what I want and If I do want to spend money on a movie, I’m gonna watch things that are nostalgic to me personally and not something my dad liked.
I’m more likely to watch live action Ben 10 or Avatar franchise offerings then to watch Indiana Jones.
I’m also more likely to watch a Star Wars movie with animated characters brought to live action than I would one lead by older characters or entirely new characters with old characters used as nostalgia bait that won’t even work
Also with how the economy is going people are now very cognisant of cheap cash grabs and will not spend cinema money on any movies just because “oh look” this old guy used to be a big hit with your dad.
With that being said.. I’m still confused as to who on earth watched Top Gun, Mission Impossible, Fast and the Furious 10 and Jurassic World.
I wish I could see a graph of the ages of people that bought the most tickets for these movies, should bring interesting Insights
I don't know about the other films, but I was young when Top Gun and Indiana Jones came out. I have followed the first three Star Wars films and Indiana Jones throughout my life. I did skip the three middle sections of Star Wars franchise. I totally get why you would not feel that same nostalgia. When I went on Sunday at the 6:30 show, the audience was pretty packed, and I noticed that there were entire families there. No distracted teenagers causing a disturbance, no telephones, no loud conversations. Just a whole bunch of families and in my case our friend and I enjoying a good film.
So it might also be a question of what it is that makes a good film4u versus these films from the past. In the case of Top Gun, my niece, who is only 10 years younger than I am, took her whole family to see the new Top Gun last summer. But that's because her husband was a pilot in the military, so it was pretty much de rigueur
The fact that the world knows who a studio exec is on a full name basis, pretty much sums up the issue for me
I liked the movie but I’m older and was young when the first one came out. I was shocked test there was hardly anyone in the theater when I saw it at 9 pm on a Friday night in a major city at a nice theater. I felt like it was an epilogue of his life. Star Wars last trilogy was just horrible. I’ll say this one more time about streaming … us in the music business had this happen 20 years ago when CD sales tanked in favor of MP3s then streaming. The movie business didn’t care about us. Welcome to Karma
Right on about the karma.
I have also watched the franchise in the theater since it began, and I saw it Sunday, because I was wary of seeing it Friday or Saturday. The movie theater where I live is pretty much the only thing for young kids to do, and lots of parents like to drop them off and they just socialize in the middle of everyone else's movie experience. The last time we went, we were given comp tickets because the teenagers running in and out and jumping up and down on the stairs on their way out created such a bad experience for the few of us that were trying to watch the movie that they felt bad for us. So we went on Sunday, showed up too late to get tickets for the 4:30 show, and had to go back later after purchasing tickets for 6:30 at 4:30. We were amazed to see that the theater was absolutely amazing! The audience was exactly like movie theater audiences used to be years ago. No telephones, no running up and down, no making noise, and having loud conversations. It was exactly the way I wanted it to be
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Great point. The biggest box office hits lately have had popular younger actors alongside the older actor.
They tried that with Crystal Skulls and it was awful.
The movie should have used the time travel gimmick for Harrison Ford to pass the torch to Anthony Ingruber. A franchise reboot about Indy’s adventures prior to the Lost Ark would have been the way to do it. Ingruber’s body double work in the flashback scenes were fantastic.
This is probably the most thorough, rational, fact-based, cohesive and coherent analysis of this debacle that I have watched or read. You are spot on.
I’m just fed up of sequels and remakes. Add to that the cost of cinema tickets alone, then I’m happy to wait until they end up on a streaming channel.
Anecdotally, I knew someone high up in distribution for Sony's physical media releases. Back in 2014, before the streaming boom, they were having rolling waves of overstock at retail on all their physical movie releases. I am on the retail distribution side, and I was getting great deals from companies for years because they wound up with tons of units for liquidation. I think the whole physical media boat sailed a long time ago, and it's over the last couple of years that it has become painfully apparent. Not sure that the studios necessarily wanted that outcome.
I was in charge of DVDs at a grocery store at that time and it was to the point that far more Blue Rays were being stolen than were sold. The last movie that had any major movement in physical media sales was the original Frozen.
I'll look for and purchase physical media of movies I want to see more than once. Most movies don't pass that threshold any more.
100% agree. Still waiting for the Studios to "learn" though. I see no signs of it yet.
Can a movie be "murdered" on social media? Yes! It can.
Quality time with my son in an uncrowded theater. Sure! We enjoyed it. If I had listened to the reviews before purchasing a pool vacuum the other day it would've been such a shame. Best vacuum ever. If I would've paid attention to the reviews on here... I wouldn't have had a great night out with my 18yr old. Gotta love time traveling. Like I said in a previous reply. Some just are not seeing it.
@@Wheredidtherealpeoplego Good for you. Glad you and your son enjoyed it.
$450 million budget...folks keep forgetting marketing.
Great video with the break down of why movies are not performing better. Another factor is that with some of these latest movie releases like Dial of Destiny and the Flash, reviews overall have been okay to meh/ The reviews to movies come out before the movies are released to the general public and if you hear enough reviews from people you trust their opinion on and they all say the movie is okay but nothing amazing, it can stop you from running out and watching in theatres and just wait for the online release.
Also, it came out on July 4th weekend. Since Tuesday is a holiday, I have a feeling that many people took Monday off, and that left them with a four-day weekend. Time enough to travel somewhere, and enjoy time with family versus spending time in the movie theater.
Soo true Warner Brothers/DC has over the last 3 years literally trained us you can see our movies in days don't worry about the theatre so I didn't go see flash in theatre cause if I miss opening weekend it'll be streaming in 2 weeks so just wait
Another point; I don’t go to the theater much anymore because I can watch the movies in the comfort of my own home in beautiful 4K
I haven’t stopped going. In fact ever since 2018 I’ve been going a lot more frequently. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, nothing beats the theater experience. I also have surround sound with amazing 4K, but if it’s a movie I’m interested in, I’ll always opt for the theater. There is no comparison.😁
I think that's a bigger issue, that and the cost of going to a movie has gone up a lot. When I was a teen, it was $4 for a matinee. When I went to see Indy at literally the same theater, it was $17 for a matinee. Granted, some of that is because the theater was renovated and the took out half the seats in order to put in comfortable recliners, but it's still a significant price increase. And as you note, the TVs at home are a lot better and a decent surround sound speaker set up isn't necessarily that expensive either.
This is the correct answer which explains why The Flash, Elemental and Dial of Destiny all bombed, as opposed to the completely unoriginal uninspired obsession with woke.
People hate Tom Cruise's religion but he doesn't alienate his audience by ramming scientology down their throats.
SMART 🤓🦉
I like the idea that given Indiana Jones was inspired by James Bond - he could have been recast with a new actor for a new trilogy after the last crusade - but kept around the same era. Or do something between the young indiana jones chronicles and Temple of the Doom. Older Indy didn't work in 4 or 5.
Nah, unlike James Bond, Indiana Jones IS Harrison Ford. Sometimes you just have to let stuff go and realize it is over. He is too old and the franchise is as well. Trying to keep up these movies 42 years later is just foolhardy. You see it all the time, just like with "Pink Panther". They tried to recast that a zillion times, but Peter Sellers WAS those movies. Once he died the movies should have died with him.
@@bobross1829I agree! I have been following these movies in the movie theaters since they began. Had they switched out the actor the way they do James Bond, I probably would not have gone to see any of them. I might have been happy with the third film being the last if they had wrapped up his story with Marion in some way.
On the other hand, I do not mind seeing the hero get old, because it's going to happen to all of us, and that is what was great about Indy. He was more human than James Bond. We saw the bruises, the scratches, the black eyes. It wasn't that he had a fight and came out in a suit all cleaned up 15 minutes later. What's James Bond, you know that he's always going to emerge alive, the only question is what creative tool or trick is he going to use to get out of it? That wasn't the option with Indy. He was definitely shown to be breakable.
@@bobross1829 I'm not against your point but once upon a time Sean Connery WAS James Bond. If they were going to do the recast from Harrison, it should have been done in the 90's or early 00's
This almost happened, they franchise would’ve been made as a prequel but River Phoenix died.
@@bobross1829 I disagree - somehing not being done well yet doesn't necessarily mean it can't happen, it just means it hasn't been done well yet - get people who understand Indy, get someone like Anthong Ingruber to play Indy, and that alone can do a lot.
I really need to ensure that everything for fans has a proper conclusion the way it must without a single problem
Well 1. We’re tired of seeing the same actors do the same stuff over and over. 2. Knowing an actor doesn’t care about the movie/art ruins a movie for me, knowing they’re just showing up for a paycheck
Hollywood only makes sequels at this point. They believe that people will only pay to see actor's do the same thing over a over and over. My hope is that the executives at the studio's learn something from there failures. I doubt it though.
@@perceivedvelocity9914 yeah the media in general is out of touch with the consumer. Theyres video games nowadays that completely bombed because it’s not what we want
I tried to sign up for a seat this coming weekend. Not longer showing. Only showing in my area June 30-July 5. What is up with that.
Glad to see it. They deserve it.
Except Harrison Ford cause he did well In the older films, but in this one, Lucasfilm ruined it.
I got bored with Indiana Jones because no one was likeable or fun... the idea of an older Short Round would've been cool. More nostalgia with a smarter story and likeable, virtuous, lead female.
A MAJOR reason is that fewer and fewer people are actually going out to an actual movie theater, knowing that these movies will eventually be streaming in a matter of months, so they're waiting to see them in the comfort of their own home.
That’s true and you can pause and pee. Hate when I go to the movies, have to pee but struggle to go because I hate to miss a key scene.
True, i went to see this movie with my dad in the theaters and the only other people were a dude and an elderly couple
That’s me.
@@tankman5783 there maybe have been a lot of older viewers back during the first three and that are not with us anymore. I’m an “old soul” so I love the old fashioned stuff. A lot of viewers today were not even born when this series started. I was 11 when Star Wars first came out. Another think about movies now and then is a lot of kids are not just dropped of like they were back in the day. Also a major draw of theaters - air conditioning. I do wish more movies had intermissions too.
Maybe so, however there are still plenty of films pulling incredible box office numbers. I mean Mario made well over a billion I believe and is like the 2nd or 3rd highest grossing film. I think people are tired of these socially woke films by Disney and are instead turning to more simple and fun adventure flicks like the recent Spider Man, Puss in Boots 2, Mario, etc...
The cost of theaters is ridiculous and its the first summer where most travel restrictions have been off. Lots of reasons, including horrible movies and writing as well. Nostalgia for an aging crowd is also a losing formula
No short round, hoping Harrison and Ke can reunite in a movie with a great script-that I would pay to see.
Ditto. I was wondering why he wasn’t there?
@@tompatchak8706 probably scheduling conflicts
@@tompatchak8706 its because Ke doesnt have a vag.
@@tompatchak8706 the film was probably being made before or at the same time as EEAAO. Ke didn't get his career comeback until it came out and was probably too late to ask him to do a cameo for Indy.
I am sure that anyone who toyed with the idea of including him in this film and did not because they didn't think he would contribute anything to it is kicking themselves now after he has won an Oscar