They should've made the original Short Round his companion this time. That actor is still around. He's fun, upbeat, charming, and can do a good action scene. So he was probably too good for this movie.
I am sure he would have turned the offer down; clearly his role would have been to be a parody of the young Short Round with him being saved by the strong intelligent and funny women just like Indie. Disney seems to hate purposeful men.
He didn't even have to fight people to be good, at least let him be the brains of the operation but nope, Fleabag don't need no man telling her what's what
It would have been better if Harrison Ford had a similar relationship to Phobe Waller-Bridge as the one he had with Rachel McAdams in Morning Glory. Or if it was as a mentor the way Sean Connery mentored Nic Cage in The Rock or if Indiana's role became like Sean Connery's in The Last Crusade. Where they work together as equals.
She looks like Olive Oyl... would have been better if they made her character's motivation an ally. Instead she was annoying and not sympathetic to the audience.
Any time they have a female protagonist in the picture nowadays, you already know she's gonna steal the spotlight and be some heroic character who succeeds where the wimpy, stupid male character fails.
I dont know why they had Sallah tease that he was going to go on the adventure with him, if he wasn't going to go. Why couldn't they have happy Older Indy, near retirement, living a happy life, somehow being dragged back into one last adventure? Maybe to help a grown up Short Round?
I like how in Top Gun Maverick the young characters tried to take Tom Cruise down at the beginning but he put them in their place and said "respect me" through attitude and actions to reinforce their legend. These other movies don't have the legacy defend themselves from the check-box diversity characters.
Why do they do the young people sneering at a legend trope time and time again? It’s so cliched! I can’t imagine young people always sneering at legends of yesterday IRL.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the Crystal Skull but at least that movie tied up all the lose ends, gave Indy a happy ending and left the franchise in a position for more movies with a younger lead who had his own decent character development. This movie throws it all away to do the same thing... just much worse.
I’ve said it before in other comments and I’ll say it again, Atleast Crystal skull gave the man a wife and son, it ended with the hat on HIS head and secured his legacy as a world renowned treasure Hunter, this is pathetic and shameful what they have done to this character.
I agree, The Crystal Skull is very flawed but the man got respect and a good send off in that final scene. KK and Disney want every iconic white male character to look like a miserable broken loser.
As someone that never saw any Indy movie until 2017, when Crystal Skull was on TV, the movie wasn't bad at all. It was better than most Hollywood movies and was quite enjoyable. I honestly don't get the hate; people are so programmed to think anything with aliens is automatically ridiculous I suppose? Inter-dimensional aliens is perfectly in line with everything else and fits perfectly into the style of what Indiana Jones is; an explorer exploring these fringe things (holy grail/arc of covenant/ and even aliens is stuff real Nazis were searching for/ Nazis were even claimed to be behind the creation of flying saucers)
Amen. I was late on going to forums and I was shocked by the hatred CS got. It's very rewatchable, and fun. The scenes everybody complained about (the fridge? On par with the rest of other unrealistic/crazy scenes in past movies), monkeys (kids loved that!!), interdimensional beings (God and an immortal knight in the past movies) never bothered me. As an adult woman who loves animals, I thought the little marmots like creatures in the beginning in the desert and the monkeys in the jungle were so freaking cute, I loved them. And Lucas and Spielberg agreed on one thing: happy ending for Indy. He had found love again with Marion, he was getting married, he had a son (and promises of grand-children), a friend he had thought lost back in his life and a job (even a promotion). While still living adventures. Lucas and Spielberg CREATED that happy ending, LF and Kennedy and Mangold DESTROYED that happy ending.
Crystal Skull wasn't great but it did one thing that gave Indy a nice ending. It gave him a family. Killing his son and making him divorced is unforgivable for a sequel.
top gun is a master class at sequelling years later. basically, his character was given more depth, more fleshed out and shone in it's own way. the biggest thing though, is that the new characters who are the newer generation did not sh*t and overshadow him at all. the new pilots were really good in its own right, but they weren't pitted against each other in measuring contest to see whos better. Maverick was older naturally, but stil lkicked ass. Nowadays all the new people taking over are pretty much unstopabble and without flaw.
i have seen them, definitely my favs. i just meant recent movies, T2 might be my fav of all time. i first watched it with my dad when i was 10 years old maybe.
KK and Disney in general have their own agendas, they want to make every iconic white male character look like a miserable broken loser and of course, they want the new smug female character to really take over.
You know I find it both funny and baffling that for all their wealth and their "supposed" talents, Hollywood are unable to give Mads Mikkelsen a better script or a better role than what a Japanese game studio gives him.
The problem is that the people making these movies don't love the characters like the audience does. They don't care about telling a good story either it seems. A good example of the opposite is the first season of Cobra Kai. It was made with passion and love for TH-cam Red or whatever it was called. It wasn't a cash grab but a passion project and it worked.
@@pensandshakers The main aspect I disliked was that they made Johnny look mentally challenged, having him out of character for laughs. Eagles do not have fangs. Johnny would know that. Only a fool wouldn't. Johnny was a growing, yet unreconstructed 80s male who initially did not want females in his dojo. He was flawed but changing. Eagle Fang? Not funny. But much else of it was a lot of fun. I appreciate the mostly respectful way legacy characters were handled while introducing us to new ones to appreciate like Hawk. And that I think is why it was one of the least expensive yet top streaming shows of the last few years.
@@weldsj8847 Agreed. I just wish it had had a better ending and hadn't gone as long as it did. Or at least that it was handling more serious topics than teen romance.
The irony is that studios think reboots and sequels are less risky. But they change the characters or destroy them, offer up Mary Sue’s, write by committee, have ridiculous budgets, insult the audience and gas light people. So they are making more risky movies, than original one.
forget risky it's pretty much life or death situation for that movie franchise like bruh look at the old bad mario movie it makes Nintendo give up on touching filmmaking for GENERATIONS how stupid can any of them be? no one knows
My biggest problem, regarding if you liked Skull or not. That ending was perfect. Happy ending and leaving potential sequels for Mutt to continue with spin offs. But no, they fuck the marriage and killed Mutt. Wow. Just wow.
Wasn’t a huge fan of this movie. I absolutely could not stand Helena. I might even go as far to say that Crystal Skull was better because it felt like a genuine Indiana Jones movie rather than being “disneyfied” like the Dial of Destiny
Crystal Skull was mostly problematic because they forgot CGI is not as good as practical effects and stunts. And while Cate Blanchette could of easily been a great character. Why did they want to put her in a black wig and have her play dominatrix?
Question: Is the Helena Shaw character as problematic, thematically, as many have suggested? She appears worse than Belloq from Raiders? Belloq justified his collaboration with the Nazis as a means to an end. Belloq sought to obtain the archeological artifacts he sought for knowledge & understanding, despite using the Nazis to get them. From early reviews, it seems that Helena is in it only for the money? That would make her morally bankrupt compared to Belloq, and a very unlikely ally of Indiana Jones, who *loathes* grave robbers. I’m just curious if that’s been accurately portrayed by reviews?
@@anonymous-hz2un I agree with poor CGI being the number one issue with Crystal Skull. There are numerous issues with the film, but OMG those visuals simply weren’t up to Indiana Jones standards. Weird, considering how much Spielberg’s Jurassic Park did for CGI in early 90s. JP was the first film I saw where I genuinely questioned whether or not what I was seeing on screen was real or illusion. They put great effort into unifying stop motion artists with digital artists and it paid off.
I would say he wasn't portrayed as broken, more of just in a slump. The movie's theme seems to be about letting go of the past so Indy in a slump makes sense.
@@toddrose4208what exactly did he do for Fleabag and Marion to hate him? He tried to fix her home life by taking the dial and he never had a proper connection with his son because someone decided not to tell him about it for years. The audacity of these women my god
@@toddrose4208 Agreed. I mean, at 80 years old he is literally not the same person anymore. He just isn't the young adventurer that he used to be, and he hasn't figured out what to do with himself. I have no problem with that story premise. But we didn't really see him have to deal with that in this movie. He was just thrown back into another adventure unwillingly. And the girl didn't have her own arc to go through either. She was just inexplicably an asshole for most of the movie, and then all of a sudden is a good guy and wants to save Indy at the end (by explicitly going against his wishes, btw) which makes no real sense. Honestly, I think the movie was a fine summer popcorn flick and much better than Crystal Skull, but not anywhere near the level of the original Indy movies. Was hoping for something more like Logan from director James Mangold, but oh well.
Kathleen Kennedy cannot comprehend a plot that isn’t portraying a classic hero as a depressed old failure who is replaced and upstaged by a amazingly talented British Brunette.
Is there any proof that Kathleen Kennedy is actually at fault here? Like any proof at all? The internet loves to blame her for everything for some reason.
Why does the dismantling of legacy characters keep happening? It’s KK; she’s the one destroying the biggest franchises. She’s the pretty much the only person to blame.
It's not so much that the writing is lazy, it's just another thing that happens when the industry is so scared of actually creating new films. The studio gets involved and (although they are not really qualified to) interfere at every level of the writing and all the other creative aspects, trying to second guess every tiny market place reaction and current trend. It rolls along in a cultish hierarchical "better do what we say or you are out" way. I worked in the industry for over 20 years. It is full of very talented and extremely hard working people, but the department heads are all powerless to actually do what they are good at now. Their skills and abilities are all undermined and hobbled by accountant/execs who have just held a rigged focus group containing their kids and their kids friends(yes that is normal) The end result is this incoherent and eyewateringly expensive garbage. Moral is - stop making franchise extensions.
don't forget the shhhtt amount "diversity hires" who have zero talent and are only there simply because they're black, non-white or part of some "fake oppressed" group.
The aim of the film wasn't to bring Indy back. It was to replace him. The original idea for the movie was to kill him off. That's why you have Indy being shot and then it's forgotten about in the film. The original cut of the movie had him dying on the island they went to at the end (back in time). But it would erase Indy from time so Phoebe would have to do the events Indy did so time wouldn't get totally messed up. Setting up Lucas Film remaking the older Indy films but with Phoebe. But all the testers utterly hated the original cut. Forcing them to remake most of the film.
thank god this didnt happen. I cant see a single universe where remaking Indiana Jones works even if they kept as much fidelity as possible, but changing Ford for Phoebe is like a bad joke someone took seriously
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper either way Indy lives to fight another day. There are rumours that George Lucas has a first rights buy back clause in his deal with Disney so there is a chance albeit the slimmest of chances that he could get back Lucasfilm and make one last proper movie with Speilberg.
Who would have thought that the emasculating and utter destruction by humilliation and physical abuse of an action hero worshipped by many millions, all that done by one of the most despicable, unlikable and amoral hasg in movie History, would not be well received by the fans. Inscrutable fans.
I watched a COUPLE of good reviews (amidst a dozen negative ones) so I went to see it opening weekend (only 4 other people were at the Saturday 10pm showing) hoping for a good time. I ALSO thought of the phrase, "My disappointment is immesurable and my day is ruined." My whole WEEKEND was ruined by just how depressing and awful this was.
@ScoobyandShaggy5554 he came back for the paycheck. I'm sure he was just as disappointed to see his iconic character get overshadowed by another KK self insert
They just need to let sleeping dogs lie. A lot of these older game changing franchises had solid, satisfying conclusions. For the vast majority of them, there is no need for resurrections and reboots. To me, there are only 3 Indiana Jones movies lol.
They are desperate to replace our beloved characters with there new and so called improved "Politically Correct Characters". Hoping the younger generation will latch onto the new version and they can continue to make sequels until the end of time. Like you stated it does not work. Thank goodness this bomb only cost $300 Million....omg literally unbelievable.
The absolute worst thing about these movies is that they are helping people like Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis get elected. "Traditional" Americans hate these films because they're "woke" (as if being "woke" is helpful to anyone, whether they're right-wing or left-wing) and insist on interpreting them as political manifestos. So, in an effort to somehow prevent more films like them from getting made (which of course is a ridiculous premise) or just out of spite or revenge, they vote for the furthest right-wing Republicans they can find - Republicans who will take no action against the Hollywood studios that the studios are already wreaking on themselves. Then the studios continue to make "woke" films for no other reason than as a petty jab against politicians they don't like, and the cycle only continues.
Another L for Lucasfilm. I'm sure they'll take full accountability and admit the film was shit rather than blame the fans for not liking strong female characters 🙄
Why in god's name would a studio admit they made a shit movie?? That's not how it works at all. It all matters on the reviews & response to the film. It's wild that you think a billion dollar corporation would try to look human.
Movies like this made me come to appreciate things like Jurassic World: Dominion. Don't get me wrong, Dominion was unfocused and messy in terms of the plot, but at least, at the very least, it didn't have contempt for the legacy characters. Sure, there were one or two old jokes here and there, but for the most part, Grant, Ellie, and Malcolm were the exact same lively group of people they were back in 1993. Not some depressed alcoholics on the verge of suicide because their lives were going nowhere. If anything, their lives improved since the original trilogy since they were all still successful in their respective fields and were still seen as big names in those fields.
I agree with you all the way, that is a very flawed movie and so is The Crystal Skull but a least it didn't feel like the people behind the movie hated or wanted to mock the legacy characters. Good old KK and Disney in general are clearly on a mission to make every iconic white male character look like a miserable broken loser pushed in the background to empower the new female character.
you're the ONLY channel that's mentioned the lack of practical effects/sets. those made the original 3 and hell even the 4th feel authentic, as if you were back in time with the characters . the cgi looked terrible in this
What?! Have you even seen Crystal Skull? The CGI in that movie is ridiculous and looked awful. Agree with the rest of what you said, but no Crystal Skull didn't look authentic at all.
@@cj694x2 I was talking about Dial of Destiny, as I don't remember too much about the VFX of Crystal Skull (all I can be certain of was the lack of realism out shown any deficiency in the visuals themselves).
I don't even think deconstruction of a beloved character is the problem its just how openly spiteful these writers are to these characters. They might say they loved those characters growing up etc etc but its clearly a pr lie they not only they turn them into shells of what those characters used to be but they made sure to make their accomplishments meaningless or pointless
I watched Crystal Skull the other day, it's actually a decent film. Yeah aliens blah blah, but you don't really see them all that much. The crystal skulls and skeletons and area 51 are much more believable than time travel. The film works well and ends on a really positive note, only gripe I have is some of the CGI is shit.
The Crystal Skull is The Phantom Menace of the Indy franchise, they got far too much hate and it became trendy to hate them. Of course, they are a huge step down the first 3 movies but still very watchable. I think the final scene in Indy 4 was a well done send off.
@@BishopWalters12 No way, guys. Crystal Skull absolutely deserves all the criticism it gets. It's crazy how so many people have such hatred for these new movies that they actually pretend that the last bad iterations weren't so bad. Sorry, but Spielberg and Lucas' last Indiana Jones movie was just as bad as this one. Has nothing to do with being too "woke" It just should have ended with The Last Crusade and everyone should have always known that.
@@LukeLovesRose -- lol wow an Indiana Jones movie has nothing to do with Harrison Ford. I suppose the new Mission Impossible movie has nothing to do with Tom Cruise.
@@LukeLovesRose -- I'm talking about that it's a fifth sequel to a movie that was made forty years ago starring an 80 year old man. What did you expect it to be? Oscar material? You guys crack me up. You know the original Raider of the Lost Arc had a strong female character too, the film literally begins with a woman having a fist fight beating up a bunch of men, lol.
Agreed when will the feminist and alphabet people stop using beloved characters to push their agenda? People aren't buying and don't want to see it. Mr. Ford should be ashamed for agreeing to do it.
Can Disney just quietly go away. Vanish. 99% of the world would not mind. They have become their own worst enemy, making endless sequels, live action remakes of cartoons, and not taking any risks with brilliant new material. Bean counters are ruling their mindset, but making very poor decisions about what earns beans.
The fact is, 5 of the top 10 worldwide box office movies of 2023 are from Disney. Did they make the money of their pre-pandemic counterparts? Of course not! But you need to compare apples to apples. Again... 5 of the top 10 are Disney. So Disney isn't the issue. The issue is still the movie industry fighting to rebound. I'd be interested to know where that 99% comes from. I was at Disney World in January crowded all week. I've been to Disneyland five times this year... super crowded. It must have been that 1%.
Crystal Skull was a really great feature film; I saw it for the first time a couple years ago on TV and I don't understand the prior hate; the movie was quite good and better than most hollywood movies
I like Crystal Skull. It's a good movie. But I don't like Dial of Destiny. It has a bad script and a disjointed story line. It's actually the worst Indiana Jones film.
Steven Spielberg, after being given an early-acres private screening of Indiana Jake 5/3 and the Dial of DEIversity: "Wow, I thought only I could make one of these..." The quiet part: _"... And i was right."_
These writers always write the diversity hire replacements as deeply unpleasant characters with twisted morals because they are themselves deeply unpleasant people with twisted morals. They’re always prattling on about how they want to see themselves in the characters, and characters like Helena are what that representation looks like.
At worse the movie should have been a disgruntled Indy gaining a new zeal of passion at the thought of gaining the Dial of Destiny for he knows that he can use it to bring back his son. So for once Indy getting the Mcguffin isn't for fun, this time its personal and the movie should of course end with Indy successful in saving his son. Sigghhh missed opportunity.
“It’s gonna be extremely difficult to reach that 1 billion dollar goal Kathleen. ☹️” “Actually super easy, barely an inconvenience. 😁” “Oh really? 🤔” “Yeah, we’ll just give away free tickets and insult all the fans. 😎” “Oh, giving away free tickets and insulting all the fans is tight! 😃” “And we’ve already started making a spin-off tv show for Disney+ 😎” “Oh, wow wow wow…..wow! 😃”
To be fair, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg actually signed up for 5 Indiana Jones with Paramount. If they had released a film or two in the 1990s and had Indiana Jones as the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull as a swansong, that would have kept the brands reputation. George Lucas initially wanted the series to rival James Bond after Steven Spielberg never got the chance to direct a Bond film. On the other hand, not everything has to be like James Bond and Tom Cruise has been out Bonding Bond with the M:I movies.
My prediction is that the public perception of Harrison Ford will become increasingly unfavorable as time goes by, even while we appreciate the character he created on screen. He is culpable for the denigration of Hans solo, and Indiana Jones, that will not be forgotten until he is.
This movie should have bee. Some Young archeology students of indy finding the artifact. Indy rescued them and it's a team up to stop the bad guys and save the day as the kids do the leg work and indy fights now with guns, whip, chemicals and tricks. Showing his age. But cunning as well. As his skill and leadership guide his adventure seeking students.
Every time I see PWB driving that truck I see Margaret Hamilton riding her bicycle in the Wizard of Oz. If you showed them side by side you would be amazed. PWB looks like the witch and she moves like her too when she's behind the wheel.
Am I to understand that there could have been an Indiana Jones movie set in the Vietnam War and they chose not to? Ancient Eastern Mystic Temples, Short Round saying "...but Im not Vietnamese!", helicopters!!!, Shia Labeouf screaming 'Just do it!!" at main Bad Guy and the last minute save by Fire Base Bravo.
Disney:all right guys we’ve already ruined Star Wars and marvel let’s now ruin another franchise.Which one,oh yes Indiana jones.Let’s make him a miserable old man who is absolutely pathetic. Fan of indy:even if he is old that doesn’t mean he has to be pathetic and miserable. Disney:That’s why we’re going to try replace him with an unlikeable character you just met this movie.It’s genius I tell you,replace a character who people have grown up with their entire lives with a character who is the exact opposite of what he was back in the day.
I dozed off in some parts and when I was unfortunately awake, I just felt extremely irritated by Helena Shaw and Teddy. They were not only wholly unecassary characters, but were also dicks. In between draggy and vexing, this film was a very unpleasant experience. At the end of it, I felt exhausted. Easily the worst film I've seen this year.
This is just crazy... hardly anyone wants to see the movie that hardly anyone wanted to be made. It's almost like there's some kind of weird cause-and-effect thing going on here...
I think I’ve come to the conclusion that the best way to handle any franchise Disney has bought is to mentally refuse to acknowledge anything created under the Disney banner as canon. Normally I like to mentally work in with the official canon, but as Disney are patently not of the same opinion I feel it’s justified.
Hollywood and particularly this director have forgotten the first rule of marketing. The need to give the customer what he wants. Not push your own agenda. I have no problem with any one pushing their own agenda but I will not pay for the privilege. This is the last Lucas film I will pay for. The head of the studio is a woman who is hell bent of shoving her agenda down her 'used to be' customers throat.
The "boring" action sequences are largely because, unlike the first three films, they are NOT REAL. It is all CGI. No stunt people, no risk, no incredible stunt work to marvel at like those first films. It is just computer generated fluff. What's not gonna be boring about that?
I can’t believe that people have paid to see this. If people pay to see franchises helmed by those who, clearly, for eight years now, have set out to destroy cinema, then I have no hope for humanity. People are stupid and are begging for this. Which is precisely why you get served this. You may complain, but you’re willing to consume the trash.
the main issue is that Indiana Jones is not a character in a classic way, he is a suite, an avatar. He shouldn't be aging and retiring. It's like James Bond. They should have passed it to next generation of young actor or just recast.
@@BishopWalters12 it goes without saying. My point is that even if Disney wasn't an ESG slave of BlackRock actively destroying any legacy if it's white and male, they would still fail with Indiana, because it should be treated like James Bond, eternally young and capable.
Having counted the number of times Indie and Marion have split and got back together again I am sure any good marriage counselor would recommend they just agree to stay apart; it's only going to end badly (again). Hence the end was sadly depressing.
I didn't mind the Aliens, because it was only at the end and wasn't at all involved in all the characters' motivation and wasn't even remotely an important part of the story. In Dial of Destiny, the time travel is completely unnecessary and the movie is awful because or it. If they didn't fly through the portal and the movie ended with a chase + fight scene the film would be at least okay and I would be like ''alright.. fair enough''. But the bad guy literally just disappears from the story, it is ridiculous.
*KATHLEEN KENNEDY HATES MEN* I'm sorry for being so blunt but that's the only reason I can come up with for what's been done to Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and now Indiana Jones. The franchise should've ended with The Last Crusade - a fitting ending for a legendary action hero. What a shame!
I did my best through posting on the internet after Temple of Doom this idea to include 'The Sword of Amaterasu' which is an actual artifact that in Japanese mythology kind of holds a similar place to the Ark of the Covenant(and potentially findable). I thought it was the perfect setting for the CGI experts to have fun. Japan conquers half the world(historically) with this sword and then somehow Indy wrestles it from them and escapes to Midway island just in time for the battle. I still wish he would've looked at it.
When are they going to stop CGI cartooning everything to death? It sucks, it rarely looks real and so rarely has the same emotional heft practical effects do, and they’re expensive to do well. CGI is characteristic of modern Hollywood: expensive soulless crap.
The ending is of this movie stapled on because the original ending was vehemently REJECTED by test screenings. The Original movie had Indiana Jones take SEVERAL MORE MINS of insults from this woman, and travel back in time to indiana Jones 1st adventure. Then have young indie die saving Helena, thus erasing him from history. AT which point, Helena takes up his hat, introduces herself as indiana Jones, and REPLACES HIM IN ALL OF HIS MOVIES. This movie is the result of patchwork reshoots and last minutes of rewrites in the studio's realization that the previous ending would be FRNACHISE MURDER.
It also feels like Harrison Ford is a crotchety old man who has forgotten how to have fun, and it shows in EVERY. SINGLE. ROLE. he's been in for the past 20 years.
100%. I agree, the writing was lazy and the treatment of beloved characters is just stupid. Producers and studio execs should know better. What is also unbelievable is that Kathleen Kennedy was associate producer and producer on the original Indy films and other successes such as ET and Back to the Future, she even did a cameo as a dancer in the opening sequence for Temple of Doom.
Hello Movie Overload! Apparently, Disney controls Rotten Tomatoes. I heard somewhere on Quora that Disney made Rotten Tomatoes lock the Audience Score percentages for The Rise of Skywalker, among a couple of other shady things aimed at discrediting fans. So that's why The Rise of Skywalker sits at 86%-it's unmovable, immutable, no matter how many bad audience reviews the movie gets. It's locked at 86%.
A lot of things needed to change for this film to strike a very different tone. Didn’t like Crystal Skull but was somewhat happy with the ending. Even if they pushed ahead with not having Mutt, this being worked earlier and not creating a rift between Indy and Marion could have still worked better. Maybe this is all wishful thinking but so many things did not work for me on this film
It's interesting, you cited the last jedi with Luke but the comparison to Han Solo is so damning. Han solo is separated from Leia. His son, instead of being dead, is a nazi. He's a shell of his former self with no one willing to deal with him. The only difference is his replacement likes him and he also gets to die.
Awesome review. About Crystal Skull, at least still feels like Indiana Jones, not on the level of the Trilogy, but it's a fun Indy adventure. But Dial of Destiny, well, it's the story of Helena Shaw with an old broken man that in the end wants to end his life.
I thought Crystal Skull was a fun movie so I don't know if I'll enjoy this or not 💀 EDIT: Comments here are abysmally toxic & some of the nonsense takes make my head hurt. Will definitely watch the film now
"Budget Shortround" LOL!! I liked it, I think it was ok, not great but ok. As a matter of fact, I thought it was a couple of scenes and lines to make it great. Indiana Jones, to me, has always been about the emotional growth of Indi. The first one was about his relation with Marion, the second with Shortround and of course, the third with his dad. With this one, the ideas were there but they weren't connected well. It was badly executed.
You don't want to disturb your fellow movie goers by climbing over them, to get out of the theater. Not with Indiana Jane, there's no one around you to climb over.
The character of Helena was a self centered and insufferable mouth breather of a woman who was trying to be a man that was trying to be a feminist whose minor character arcs were no where near enough to offset the incessant belittling and betraying treatment of Jones.
You all are never satisfied.. what a great film this was. Incredibly entertaining my jaw was on the floor during the ending sequence in Ancient Greece. Always inspiring , love any movie from Indiana jones series
What the hell did she do? Her character is annoying but then what? Its hilarious that you called the creator Fleabag a "brand destroyer" like any excuse to hate women. With KK its understandable.
I haven’t seen it myself, but one thing I’ve noticed is that the people who didn’t like this movie can bring up many different things in the movie that were bad, while the people who liked it never say why they actually liked it.
I feel like the only time that the formula actually succeeds is rocky, but largely cuz we have a film of old rocky and then going into creed. You’re definitely right of the formula as well. I feel like there should’ve been films showing that progression instead of dropping in on it.
How is it no one seems bothered by the fact that Voller gets hit in the face with a steel pipe & flung off the side of a speeding train and survives without a single scar or physical impairment? Or that every Nazi in the beginning has a gun EXCEPT the two in the backseat of the vehicle Indy commandeers? Or that those same two Nazis don’t see the driver laying on the ground right next to the car literally seconds after Indy punched the driver and pulls him out of the car? Or that none of the Nazis on the train simply broke the big glass window on the train doors, reached between the bars, and unjammed the door, but had to wait for their Captain to release them? Or that Indy had enough time to change out of his Nazi uniform & into his regular clothes while this was going on? Is it because everyone is too busy going after the low hanging fruit of Helena Shaw? How anyone praises the 1st 20 minutes of Indy 5 without mentioning any of the aforementioned plot holes is beyond me.
The same could be said of the Bond francise. Cubby Broccoli must be turning in his grave at what his daughter and son-in-law did by killing off Bond. And, how can you reboot the series with a fallen dead hero - to merely bringing him back, by re-booting the series, is an insult to audiences intelligence - they should never have killed him off!!
What an asinine take man.. Do you really think the audience is that dumb that they dont know the character gets rebooted? Craig had a proper beginning & a proper end. It was the best way to end the most complex Bond yet.
@@Comicbroe405 Oh that's make a lot of sense...kill a much love character, then reboot...then kill him again, and reboot the character again, again and again - that's why it insults the intelligence of fans - but hey, we all have our opinions - much like assholes, everyone has one
They should've made the original Short Round his companion this time. That actor is still around. He's fun, upbeat, charming, and can do a good action scene. So he was probably too good for this movie.
I am sure he would have turned the offer down; clearly his role would have been to be a parody of the young Short Round with him being saved by the strong intelligent and funny women just like Indie. Disney seems to hate purposeful men.
Oh man he would've been amazing. In fact he probably would've made a good director for this film too.
he won an oscar last year too lol
He's more than just "around". He's in the best time of his life. KHQ deserves more respect
I read someone say "He wasnt famous enough to bring back" lol I agree, if the Oscar nom came first Key would've been in Indy 5 imo
Making Indiana Jones the dopey sidekick to a unknown shallow character was the greatest injustice.
He didn't even have to fight people to be good, at least let him be the brains of the operation but nope, Fleabag don't need no man telling her what's what
It would have been better if Harrison Ford had a similar relationship to Phobe Waller-Bridge as the one he had with Rachel McAdams in Morning Glory. Or if it was as a mentor the way Sean Connery mentored Nic Cage in The Rock or if Indiana's role became like Sean Connery's in The Last Crusade. Where they work together as equals.
She looks like Olive Oyl... would have been better if they made her character's motivation an ally. Instead she was annoying and not sympathetic to the audience.
Any time they have a female protagonist in the picture nowadays, you already know she's gonna steal the spotlight and be some heroic character who succeeds where the wimpy, stupid male character fails.
I dont know why they had Sallah tease that he was going to go on the adventure with him, if he wasn't going to go.
Why couldn't they have happy Older Indy, near retirement, living a happy life, somehow being dragged back into one last adventure?
Maybe to help a grown up Short Round?
I like how in Top Gun Maverick the young characters tried to take Tom Cruise down at the beginning but he put them in their place and said "respect me" through attitude and actions to reinforce their legend. These other movies don't have the legacy defend themselves from the check-box diversity characters.
Sadly they don't.
Why do they do the young people sneering at a legend trope time and time again? It’s so cliched! I can’t imagine young people always sneering at legends of yesterday IRL.
Tom Cruise would've made everyone respect Indy if he was in charge of this
Yes, thats where Top Gun differed from the pure hatred that Hollywood levels at ageing male actors these days.
Cruise is an egotistical creep. I have no use for him or his movies.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the Crystal Skull but at least that movie tied up all the lose ends, gave Indy a happy ending and left the franchise in a position for more movies with a younger lead who had his own decent character development. This movie throws it all away to do the same thing... just much worse.
Well said.
What loose ends?
@@mainstreetsaint36 it “ends” with a happy ever after 🙄
It was a pretty terrible and uninspired movie though... just like this one
That movie also was a massive turd pile. The stunts were a joke., They looked so fake I actually caught myself laughing.
"A waste of potential."
Excellent way to describe pretty much everything produced by Kennedy's Lucasfilm.
Big waste
forget potential if it's by her tbh
Agreed, everything with Marvel, Star Wars, and Indiana Jones are now just a waste of potential by Disney
I’ve said it before in other comments and I’ll say it again, Atleast Crystal skull gave the man a wife and son, it ended with the hat on HIS head and secured his legacy as a world renowned treasure Hunter, this is pathetic and shameful what they have done to this character.
I agree, The Crystal Skull is very flawed but the man got respect and a good send off in that final scene. KK and Disney want every iconic white male character to look like a miserable broken loser.
Did you not watch Dial of Destiny? The movie ends with him grabbing the hat, presumably to wear it.
As someone that never saw any Indy movie until 2017, when Crystal Skull was on TV, the movie wasn't bad at all. It was better than most Hollywood movies and was quite enjoyable.
I honestly don't get the hate; people are so programmed to think anything with aliens is automatically ridiculous I suppose? Inter-dimensional aliens is perfectly in line with everything else and fits perfectly into the style of what Indiana Jones is; an explorer exploring these fringe things (holy grail/arc of covenant/ and even aliens is stuff real Nazis were searching for/ Nazis were even claimed to be behind the creation of flying saucers)
I always liked Crystal Skull
Amen. I was late on going to forums and I was shocked by the hatred CS got. It's very rewatchable, and fun. The scenes everybody complained about (the fridge? On par with the rest of other unrealistic/crazy scenes in past movies), monkeys (kids loved that!!), interdimensional beings (God and an immortal knight in the past movies) never bothered me. As an adult woman who loves animals, I thought the little marmots like creatures in the beginning in the desert and the monkeys in the jungle were so freaking cute, I loved them.
And Lucas and Spielberg agreed on one thing: happy ending for Indy. He had found love again with Marion, he was getting married, he had a son (and promises of grand-children), a friend he had thought lost back in his life and a job (even a promotion). While still living adventures. Lucas and Spielberg CREATED that happy ending, LF and Kennedy and Mangold DESTROYED that happy ending.
The best Indiana jones film since 1998 was the Mummy. Brendan Fraser embodied all of the best of those films.
And like Jones, he was not left alone by producers
Brendan was the action, Rachel was the archaeologist. Together they combine to become....Indiana Jones.
Yep real throwback to indy films. Also first 2 national treasure films
I know what you're saying dog I know what you're saying
Crystal Skull wasn't great but it did one thing that gave Indy a nice ending. It gave him a family. Killing his son and making him divorced is unforgivable for a sequel.
top gun is a master class at sequelling years later. basically, his character was given more depth, more fleshed out and shone in it's own way. the biggest thing though, is that the new characters who are the newer generation did not sh*t and overshadow him at all. the new pilots were really good in its own right, but they weren't pitted against each other in measuring contest to see whos better. Maverick was older naturally, but stil lkicked ass. Nowadays all the new people taking over are pretty much unstopabble and without flaw.
Trainspotting 2 was also a good example of a 20 years later sequel
Ever see T2 or Aliens?
i have seen them, definitely my favs. i just meant recent movies, T2 might be my fav of all time. i first watched it with my dad when i was 10 years old maybe.
KK and Disney in general have their own agendas, they want to make every iconic white male character look like a miserable broken loser and of course, they want the new smug female character to really take over.
@@StephenSiu Trust me. I LOVE Top Gun Maverick.
You know I find it both funny and baffling that for all their wealth and their "supposed" talents, Hollywood are unable to give Mads Mikkelsen a better script or a better role than what a Japanese game studio gives him.
nepotism
Straight up. Hes so good when they let him be something othwr than a one note villain. Valhalla Rising, the Hunt, Hannibal, Death Stranding.
He should leave Hollywood and do Indie Films for a while. It worked out great for Robert Pattinson.
maybe the paycheck's bigger.
Casino Royale has been his best movie
The problem is that the people making these movies don't love the characters like the audience does. They don't care about telling a good story either it seems. A good example of the opposite is the first season of Cobra Kai. It was made with passion and love for TH-cam Red or whatever it was called. It wasn't a cash grab but a passion project and it worked.
Too bad it went downhill fast getting wrapped up in the teenage drama. It was too successful for its own good, got too many seasons.
@@pensandshakers That teenage drama shit was so fcking stupid
@@pensandshakers The main aspect I disliked was that they made Johnny look mentally challenged, having him out of character for laughs. Eagles do not have fangs. Johnny would know that. Only a fool wouldn't. Johnny was a growing, yet unreconstructed 80s male who initially did not want females in his dojo. He was flawed but changing. Eagle Fang? Not funny. But much else of it was a lot of fun. I appreciate the mostly respectful way legacy characters were handled while introducing us to new ones to appreciate like Hawk. And that I think is why it was one of the least expensive yet top streaming shows of the last few years.
@@weldsj8847 Agreed. I just wish it had had a better ending and hadn't gone as long as it did. Or at least that it was handling more serious topics than teen romance.
My opinion indeed
The irony is that studios think reboots and sequels are less risky.
But they change the characters or destroy them, offer up Mary Sue’s, write by committee, have ridiculous budgets, insult the audience and gas light people.
So they are making more risky movies, than original one.
forget risky it's pretty much life or death situation for that movie franchise like bruh look at the old bad mario movie it makes Nintendo give up on touching filmmaking for GENERATIONS
how stupid can any of them be? no one knows
Rey isn't Merry Sue.
My biggest problem, regarding if you liked Skull or not. That ending was perfect. Happy ending and leaving potential sequels for Mutt to continue with spin offs. But no, they fuck the marriage and killed Mutt. Wow. Just wow.
Wasn’t a huge fan of this movie. I absolutely could not stand Helena. I might even go as far to say that Crystal Skull was better because it felt like a genuine Indiana Jones movie rather than being “disneyfied” like the Dial of Destiny
Crystal Skull was mostly problematic because they forgot CGI is not as good as practical effects and stunts. And while Cate Blanchette could of easily been a great character. Why did they want to put her in a black wig and have her play dominatrix?
@@robtierney5653 janky cgi and a weird setting. Indiana Jones and aliens just don't mesh well together.
They can't even dial up an OK film when it's absolutely critical. They hired tons of the wrong people is my guess. They lost the recipe.
Question: Is the Helena Shaw character as problematic, thematically, as many have suggested? She appears worse than Belloq from Raiders?
Belloq justified his collaboration with the Nazis as a means to an end. Belloq sought to obtain the archeological artifacts he sought for knowledge & understanding, despite using the Nazis to get them.
From early reviews, it seems that Helena is in it only for the money? That would make her morally bankrupt compared to Belloq, and a very unlikely ally of Indiana Jones, who *loathes* grave robbers.
I’m just curious if that’s been accurately portrayed by reviews?
@@anonymous-hz2un I agree with poor CGI being the number one issue with Crystal Skull. There are numerous issues with the film, but OMG those visuals simply weren’t up to Indiana Jones standards.
Weird, considering how much Spielberg’s Jurassic Park did for CGI in early 90s. JP was the first film I saw where I genuinely questioned whether or not what I was seeing on screen was real or illusion. They put great effort into unifying stop motion artists with digital artists and it paid off.
Making a classic and beloved character into a broken man is a LAZY way to inject drama into a story. AI could do a better job.
I would say he wasn't portrayed as broken, more of just in a slump. The movie's theme seems to be about letting go of the past so Indy in a slump makes sense.
@@toddrose4208Let go of the past. Kill it if you have to. That didn't work out great for another franchise either.
@@toddrose4208what exactly did he do for Fleabag and Marion to hate him? He tried to fix her home life by taking the dial and he never had a proper connection with his son because someone decided not to tell him about it for years. The audacity of these women my god
@@qui-gonrick7002The Last Jedi actually had embrace the past as a theme. The "kill it" quote came from the bad guy. Still really bad job.
@@toddrose4208 Agreed. I mean, at 80 years old he is literally not the same person anymore. He just isn't the young adventurer that he used to be, and he hasn't figured out what to do with himself. I have no problem with that story premise. But we didn't really see him have to deal with that in this movie. He was just thrown back into another adventure unwillingly. And the girl didn't have her own arc to go through either. She was just inexplicably an asshole for most of the movie, and then all of a sudden is a good guy and wants to save Indy at the end (by explicitly going against his wishes, btw) which makes no real sense.
Honestly, I think the movie was a fine summer popcorn flick and much better than Crystal Skull, but not anywhere near the level of the original Indy movies. Was hoping for something more like Logan from director James Mangold, but oh well.
Kathleen Kennedy cannot comprehend a plot that isn’t portraying a classic hero as a depressed old failure who is replaced and upstaged by a amazingly talented British Brunette.
Yeah true. Phoebe Bridges deserves a better stage to showcase her acting. Apparently she's annoying in the film which was intended but still.
*She can't keep getting away with this* 😫
Is there any proof that Kathleen Kennedy is actually at fault here? Like any proof at all? The internet loves to blame her for everything for some reason.
@@liamphibia She's pretty much done. I don't think there are any other franchises to destroy.
Never let Kathleen Kennedy Cook
The insane part is that this is one of the most expensive movies in history, yet it looks cheap AF.
Why does the dismantling of legacy characters keep happening? It’s KK; she’s the one destroying the biggest franchises. She’s the pretty much the only person to blame.
She isn't in charge of Star Trek and yet they did the same thing. It's pervasive wokeism in every aspect of film produced by Hollywood.
@@SongOfStorms411 KK started it with The Force Awakens. Star Trek didn’t get infected until Discovery.
And Black Rock investment group
to demoralize the west by emasculating male heroes
@@SongOfStorms411 She's also not in charge of Marvel. See Nick Fury in Secret Invasion.
It's not so much that the writing is lazy, it's just another thing that happens when the industry is so scared of actually creating new films. The studio gets involved and (although they are not really qualified to) interfere at every level of the writing and all the other creative aspects, trying to second guess every tiny market place reaction and current trend. It rolls along in a cultish hierarchical "better do what we say or you are out" way. I worked in the industry for over 20 years. It is full of very talented and extremely hard working people, but the department heads are all powerless to actually do what they are good at now. Their skills and abilities are all undermined and hobbled by accountant/execs who have just held a rigged focus group containing their kids and their kids friends(yes that is normal) The end result is this incoherent and eyewateringly expensive garbage. Moral is - stop making franchise extensions.
Creation by committee is often a fail.
In short, a manifestation of cowardice.
@@GlowingTube I too thought creation by committee... but... could this have been an AI creation? We'll never know, but It has all the hallmarks.
don't forget the shhhtt amount "diversity hires" who have zero talent and are only there simply because they're black, non-white or part of some "fake oppressed" group.
If you can't think of anything to do with Indy other than time travel, then don't make the movie.
The aim of the film wasn't to bring Indy back. It was to replace him. The original idea for the movie was to kill him off. That's why you have Indy being shot and then it's forgotten about in the film. The original cut of the movie had him dying on the island they went to at the end (back in time). But it would erase Indy from time so Phoebe would have to do the events Indy did so time wouldn't get totally messed up. Setting up Lucas Film remaking the older Indy films but with Phoebe. But all the testers utterly hated the original cut. Forcing them to remake most of the film.
thank god this didnt happen. I cant see a single universe where remaking Indiana Jones works even if they kept as much fidelity as possible, but changing Ford for Phoebe is like a bad joke someone took seriously
How on earth was Fleabag going to do every adventure Indy had? Thank god they knocked some sense into KK and co to change this horrific ending
@@BrunoMalmann Which calls their mental state and health into question.
@@kuhanblock9380 Sense into KK? She was downvoted by the sound of it.
@@MoonwalkerWorshiper either way Indy lives to fight another day. There are rumours that George Lucas has a first rights buy back clause in his deal with Disney so there is a chance albeit the slimmest of chances that he could get back Lucasfilm and make one last proper movie with Speilberg.
Who would have thought that the emasculating and utter destruction by humilliation and physical abuse of an action hero worshipped by many millions, all that done by one of the most despicable, unlikable and amoral hasg in movie History, would not be well received by the fans. Inscrutable fans.
Very well put...it is unforgivable.
I watched a COUPLE of good reviews (amidst a dozen negative ones) so I went to see it opening weekend (only 4 other people were at the Saturday 10pm showing) hoping for a good time. I ALSO thought of the phrase, "My disappointment is immesurable and my day is ruined." My whole WEEKEND was ruined by just how depressing and awful this was.
im starting to feel like the only mf in the world that actualy liked the movie
@@tomasbar1101lol I enjoyed it 🫣
@@tomasbar1101I also enjoyed it, people are overreacting, like damn 💀
A lousy feminist woke movie!
Didn't know indy was a girl 🤯😂
Disney pulled another Rise of Skywalker but slapped Indiana Jones on it and they shat on Harrison Ford’s legacy once again.
And he seems to like it
@ScoobyandShaggy5554 he came back for the paycheck. I'm sure he was just as disappointed to see his iconic character get overshadowed by another KK self insert
They just need to let sleeping dogs lie. A lot of these older game changing franchises had solid, satisfying conclusions. For the vast majority of them, there is no need for resurrections and reboots. To me, there are only 3 Indiana Jones movies lol.
Same here. For me Indiana Jones ended with him, his dad and Salalah riding off into the sunset.
@@jturner2577and Marcus
Four. Crystal Skulls is a good film. But the haters will never admit it.
They are desperate to replace our beloved characters with there new and so called improved "Politically Correct Characters". Hoping the younger generation will latch onto the new version and they can continue to make sequels until the end of time. Like you stated it does not work. Thank goodness this bomb only cost $300 Million....omg literally unbelievable.
The absolute worst thing about these movies is that they are helping people like Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis get elected. "Traditional" Americans hate these films because they're "woke" (as if being "woke" is helpful to anyone, whether they're right-wing or left-wing) and insist on interpreting them as political manifestos. So, in an effort to somehow prevent more films like them from getting made (which of course is a ridiculous premise) or just out of spite or revenge, they vote for the furthest right-wing Republicans they can find - Republicans who will take no action against the Hollywood studios that the studios are already wreaking on themselves. Then the studios continue to make "woke" films for no other reason than as a petty jab against politicians they don't like, and the cycle only continues.
Another L for Lucasfilm. I'm sure they'll take full accountability and admit the film was shit rather than blame the fans for not liking strong female characters 🙄
Why in god's name would a studio admit they made a shit movie?? That's not how it works at all. It all matters on the reviews & response to the film. It's wild that you think a billion dollar corporation would try to look human.
The people of Lucasfilm (And Kathy) are not creators, they are *destroyers.*
Oh boy you haven’t seen Kathleen Kennedy’s statement yet blaming viewers have you?
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be sarcasm, judging by the eye-roll emoji.
@@Comicbroe405 The only thing that’s “wild” is how you missed the obvious sarcasm here.
Movies like this made me come to appreciate things like Jurassic World: Dominion. Don't get me wrong, Dominion was unfocused and messy in terms of the plot, but at least, at the very least, it didn't have contempt for the legacy characters. Sure, there were one or two old jokes here and there, but for the most part, Grant, Ellie, and Malcolm were the exact same lively group of people they were back in 1993. Not some depressed alcoholics on the verge of suicide because their lives were going nowhere. If anything, their lives improved since the original trilogy since they were all still successful in their respective fields and were still seen as big names in those fields.
I agree with you all the way, that is a very flawed movie and so is The Crystal Skull but a least it didn't feel like the people behind the movie hated or wanted to mock the legacy characters. Good old KK and Disney in general are clearly on a mission to make every iconic white male character look like a miserable broken loser pushed in the background to empower the new female character.
Grant wasn't a love sick puppy and he was never a lab technician. So putting him in both situations was such a waste of Sam Neill
@@BishopWalters12she did fire Colin from episode 9 because he wanted the original characters to have a bit more grace and respect
Nah, I still hate Dominion. Just go with GB Afterlife.
@@BishopWalters12 It's like KK or someone in the studio exclaims "oh people think Indiana Jones is an awesome guy huh, well I'll show them!"
you're the ONLY channel that's mentioned the lack of practical effects/sets. those made the original 3 and hell even the 4th feel authentic, as if you were back in time with the characters . the cgi looked terrible in this
Fake sets and styrofoam props don't look any more realistic than CGI. You guys are just fond of what you experienced in your childhood.
@@castonyoung7514 pretty much this
@@castonyoung7514they are way more charming and feel realer as they are actually there.
What?! Have you even seen Crystal Skull? The CGI in that movie is ridiculous and looked awful. Agree with the rest of what you said, but no Crystal Skull didn't look authentic at all.
@@cj694x2 I was talking about Dial of Destiny, as I don't remember too much about the VFX of Crystal Skull (all I can be certain of was the lack of realism out shown any deficiency in the visuals themselves).
I don't even think deconstruction of a beloved character is the problem its just how openly spiteful these writers are to these characters. They might say they loved those characters growing up etc etc but its clearly a pr lie they not only they turn them into shells of what those characters used to be but they made sure to make their accomplishments meaningless or pointless
I watched Crystal Skull the other day, it's actually a decent film. Yeah aliens blah blah, but you don't really see them all that much. The crystal skulls and skeletons and area 51 are much more believable than time travel. The film works well and ends on a really positive note, only gripe I have is some of the CGI is shit.
Yea I never had an issue with mutt like many others did. I agree the CGI is the problem. If someone could fix that you'd have a half decent indy movie
All of the CGI is shit. My issue was the over dependency on CGI instead of practical effects.
@@flatlandrory The CGI in Dial was shite aswell.
The Crystal Skull is The Phantom Menace of the Indy franchise, they got far too much hate and it became trendy to hate them. Of course, they are a huge step down the first 3 movies but still very watchable. I think the final scene in Indy 4 was a well done send off.
@@BishopWalters12 No way, guys. Crystal Skull absolutely deserves all the criticism it gets. It's crazy how so many people have such hatred for these new movies that they actually pretend that the last bad iterations weren't so bad.
Sorry, but Spielberg and Lucas' last Indiana Jones movie was just as bad as this one. Has nothing to do with being too "woke" It just should have ended with The Last Crusade and everyone should have always known that.
The best part of the movie is a CGI train, background, and characters running on it. Its no train from Last Crusade, that's for sure.
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is a fun movie compared with this…
Agree... especially the opening sequence.
This Dial of Disaster is just depressing.
Exactly 💯
I don't agree, and I can't respect your opinion, because, it's not objective from yourself.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 The opening sequence to Crystal Skull is absolute fucking garbage. Maybe watch it again before you say something so stupid.
Ngl I enjoyed crystal skull. It's at least watchable.
When your movie is worse than kingdom of the Crystal Skull, you know you screwed up somewhere
The dude is 80 years old, everyone can't be Tom Cruise you know.
@@cjlaity1 This has nothing to do with Harrison Ford. This has to do with everything else
@@LukeLovesRose -- lol wow an Indiana Jones movie has nothing to do with Harrison Ford. I suppose the new Mission Impossible movie has nothing to do with Tom Cruise.
@@cjlaity1 What the heck are you talking about?? This movie sucks but NOT because of Harrison Ford
@@LukeLovesRose -- I'm talking about that it's a fifth sequel to a movie that was made forty years ago starring an 80 year old man. What did you expect it to be? Oscar material? You guys crack me up. You know the original Raider of the Lost Arc had a strong female character too, the film literally begins with a woman having a fist fight beating up a bunch of men, lol.
Helena is one of the most despicable villains in history. That’d be great if not for the fact the movie expects us to like her.
She was actually good, not her fault the writing was shite, just admit it we all wanted eye candy, like Willie or Marion, or the Elsa
The film did not want you to tho?? It's very very clearly established she's a shit person & only grows by the end.
would you have liked it if Eobard Thawne aged her 80 years?
@@shazanali692 Phoebe aint eye candy tho
@@flashez918 Modern fashion dictates that screen women are masculine, and always in charge.
Great video; you cite all the reasons why this particular film should never have been made.
Well it did, so… keep crying I guess lol
When you're 80 years old and are still making action movies then complain about this one.
Agreed when will the feminist and alphabet people stop using beloved characters to push their agenda? People aren't buying and don't want to see it. Mr. Ford should be ashamed for agreeing to do it.
@@tonyb6007incel says what now?
Can Disney just quietly go away. Vanish.
99% of the world would not mind.
They have become their own worst enemy, making endless sequels, live action remakes of cartoons, and not taking any risks with brilliant new material.
Bean counters are ruling their mindset, but making very poor decisions about what earns beans.
Disney will vanish if they keep wasting money like this - I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they'll keep wasting money like this.
The fact is, 5 of the top 10 worldwide box office movies of 2023 are from Disney. Did they make the money of their pre-pandemic counterparts? Of course not! But you need to compare apples to apples. Again... 5 of the top 10 are Disney. So Disney isn't the issue. The issue is still the movie industry fighting to rebound. I'd be interested to know where that 99% comes from. I was at Disney World in January crowded all week. I've been to Disneyland five times this year... super crowded. It must have been that 1%.
Wokism
Star Wars, Willow and Indiana Jones all began with likable leading men.. They all ended with insufferable “strong female characters”.. Coincidence?? 🧐
Ghostbusters
woke - changing sexual polarity - less people on earth..
Feminism
2:00 It isn't too long, but every insufferable moment the goddaughter Helena is on screen makes it FEEL too long.
Indy 5 and the Dail of Disaster somehow managed to make Crystal Skull look like a really great feature film.
Crystal Skull was a really great feature film; I saw it for the first time a couple years ago on TV and I don't understand the prior hate; the movie was quite good and better than most hollywood movies
@@pyropulseIXXISome people liked it but I know others who lost interest in Indiana Jones because of it.
Indy 5 is a poor man's Jumanji.
I like Crystal Skull. It's a good movie. But I don't like Dial of Destiny. It has a bad script and a disjointed story line. It's actually the worst Indiana Jones film.
Demise of Disney.
Steven Spielberg, after being given an early-acres private screening of Indiana Jake 5/3 and the Dial of DEIversity:
"Wow, I thought only I could make one of these..."
The quiet part:
_"... And i was right."_
This movie is the epitome of being force fed modern identity politics
How so?
This comment is the epitome of being force-fed a modern meta-narrative rather than honestly evaluating the ups and downs of a nuanced movie.
@@dangercorpwow you're simping hardddd
@@fvallo For whom?
Can't stand woke. And it's not woke. So there.
Both Indy and Star Wars should've stayed in the '80's.
Nail hit on the head - thank you
These writers always write the diversity hire replacements as deeply unpleasant characters with twisted morals because they are themselves deeply unpleasant people with twisted morals. They’re always prattling on about how they want to see themselves in the characters, and characters like Helena are what that representation looks like.
I was thinking the same thing. But it's one thing to reflect current culture, and another thing to adopt adventure series from 1920's and 30's.
At worse the movie should have been a disgruntled Indy gaining a new zeal of passion at the thought of gaining the Dial of Destiny for he knows that he can use it to bring back his son. So for once Indy getting the Mcguffin isn't for fun, this time its personal and the movie should of course end with Indy successful in saving his son. Sigghhh missed opportunity.
“It’s gonna be extremely difficult to reach that 1 billion dollar goal Kathleen. ☹️”
“Actually super easy, barely an inconvenience. 😁”
“Oh really? 🤔”
“Yeah, we’ll just give away free tickets and insult all the fans. 😎”
“Oh, giving away free tickets and insulting all the fans is tight! 😃”
“And we’ve already started making a spin-off tv show for Disney+ 😎”
“Oh, wow wow wow…..wow! 😃”
I agree this series ended when they rode off into the sun set. I mean how can you watch that and think we need to tell more stories.
To be fair, George Lucas and Steven Spielberg actually signed up for 5 Indiana Jones with Paramount. If they had released a film or two in the 1990s and had Indiana Jones as the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull as a swansong, that would have kept the brands reputation. George Lucas initially wanted the series to rival James Bond after Steven Spielberg never got the chance to direct a Bond film. On the other hand, not everything has to be like James Bond and Tom Cruise has been out Bonding Bond with the M:I movies.
Crystal Skull is a good film. So there, haters.
They should do at least one more so that we can have a positive and negative trilogy
Like Star Wars? Or Lord of the Rings?
My prediction is that the public perception of Harrison Ford will become increasingly unfavorable as time goes by, even while we appreciate the character he created on screen. He is culpable for the denigration of Hans solo, and Indiana Jones, that will not be forgotten until he is.
This movie should have bee. Some Young archeology students of indy finding the artifact. Indy rescued them and it's a team up to stop the bad guys and save the day as the kids do the leg work and indy fights now with guns, whip, chemicals and tricks. Showing his age. But cunning as well. As his skill and leadership guide his adventure seeking students.
They should've had Harrison Ford play Sean Connery's part and bring in a new son
A very interesting idea.
Shia was great as his son.
Every time I see PWB driving that truck I see Margaret Hamilton riding her bicycle in the Wizard of Oz. If you showed them side by side you would be amazed. PWB looks like the witch and she moves like her too when she's behind the wheel.
Mf just said PWB looks like "the witch".. Oh man. I love this "criticism".
Witch! Haha haha
Am I to understand that there could have been an Indiana Jones movie set in the Vietnam War and they chose not to? Ancient Eastern Mystic Temples, Short Round saying "...but Im not Vietnamese!", helicopters!!!, Shia Labeouf screaming 'Just do it!!" at main Bad Guy and the last minute save by Fire Base Bravo.
Disney:all right guys we’ve already ruined Star Wars and marvel let’s now ruin another franchise.Which one,oh yes Indiana jones.Let’s make him a miserable old man who is absolutely pathetic.
Fan of indy:even if he is old that doesn’t mean he has to be pathetic and miserable.
Disney:That’s why we’re going to try replace him with an unlikeable character you just met this movie.It’s genius I tell you,replace a character who people have grown up with their entire lives with a character who is the exact opposite of what he was back in the day.
I dozed off in some parts and when I was unfortunately awake, I just felt extremely irritated by Helena Shaw and Teddy. They were not only wholly unecassary characters, but were also dicks. In between draggy and vexing, this film was a very unpleasant experience. At the end of it, I felt exhausted. Easily the worst film I've seen this year.
This is just crazy... hardly anyone wants to see the movie that hardly anyone wanted to be made. It's almost like there's some kind of weird cause-and-effect thing going on here...
I think I’ve come to the conclusion that the best way to handle any franchise Disney has bought is to mentally refuse to acknowledge anything created under the Disney banner as canon. Normally I like to mentally work in with the official canon, but as Disney are patently not of the same opinion I feel it’s justified.
Hollywood and particularly this director have forgotten the first rule of marketing. The need to give the customer what he wants. Not push your own agenda. I have no problem with any one pushing their own agenda but I will not pay for the privilege. This is the last Lucas film I will pay for. The head of the studio is a woman who is hell bent of shoving her agenda down her 'used to be' customers throat.
The "boring" action sequences are largely because, unlike the first three films, they are NOT REAL. It is all CGI. No stunt people, no risk, no incredible stunt work to marvel at like those first films. It is just computer generated fluff. What's not gonna be boring about that?
Phoebe is as beautiful a mannequin that has been set on fire, in personality and appearance
Absolutely not related to the video & just insulting PWB.. wow. You chronically online mfs need to be put down.
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I can’t believe that people have paid to see this. If people pay to see franchises helmed by those who, clearly, for eight years now, have set out to destroy cinema, then I have no hope for humanity. People are stupid and are begging for this. Which is precisely why you get served this. You may complain, but you’re willing to consume the trash.
the main issue is that Indiana Jones is not a character in a classic way, he is a suite, an avatar. He shouldn't be aging and retiring. It's like James Bond. They should have passed it to next generation of young actor or just recast.
That wasn't the problem, KK and Disney just hate iconic white male characters.
@@BishopWalters12 it goes without saying. My point is that even if Disney wasn't an ESG slave of BlackRock actively destroying any legacy if it's white and male, they would still fail with Indiana, because it should be treated like James Bond, eternally young and capable.
Han Solo becomes deadbeat dad, Indiana jones become jaded boomer guy.
Having counted the number of times Indie and Marion have split and got back together again I am sure any good marriage counselor would recommend they just agree to stay apart; it's only going to end badly (again). Hence the end was sadly depressing.
The end was nice. They will stay together this time.
I didn't mind the Aliens, because it was only at the end and wasn't at all involved in all the characters' motivation and wasn't even remotely an important part of the story. In Dial of Destiny, the time travel is completely unnecessary and the movie is awful because or it. If they didn't fly through the portal and the movie ended with a chase + fight scene the film would be at least okay and I would be like ''alright.. fair enough''. But the bad guy literally just disappears from the story, it is ridiculous.
That moment when indy had a disneyland show where they had a setpiece showing the true mastery of real practical effects. Then this movie happened
Am I the only idiot here who legit can't tell the difference between real and green screen, because my suspension of disbelief is just that effective?
"Sound of Freedom" made more money on the 4th than the Indy film and that was only in half of the theaters.
*KATHLEEN KENNEDY HATES MEN*
I'm sorry for being so blunt but that's the only reason I can come up with for what's been done to Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and now Indiana Jones. The franchise should've ended with The Last Crusade - a fitting ending for a legendary action hero. What a shame!
At least she’s better than David Zaslav
No question, KK clearly has a lot of bitterness and hatred towards white males.
I did my best through posting on the internet after Temple of Doom this idea to include 'The Sword of Amaterasu' which is an actual artifact that in Japanese mythology kind of holds a similar place to the Ark of the Covenant(and potentially findable). I thought it was the perfect setting for the CGI experts to have fun. Japan conquers half the world(historically) with this sword and then somehow Indy wrestles it from them and escapes to Midway island just in time for the battle.
I still wish he would've looked at it.
Temple of Doom was amazing and my favourite and it was a major hit
@@tur74d56 It wasn't that bad. In fact, of the first 3 movies, it had the best score. I can see why it might be your favorite.
First 20 minutes or so we get to watch a de-aged, 80 year old Harrison Ford carrying a very poor movie. A movie that should never have been made.
Disrespecting legacy legendary characters is Disney's thing, nothing from the mouse surprises me anymore
When are they going to stop CGI cartooning everything to death? It sucks, it rarely looks real and so rarely has the same emotional heft practical effects do, and they’re expensive to do well.
CGI is characteristic of modern Hollywood: expensive soulless crap.
The ending is of this movie stapled on because the original ending was vehemently REJECTED by test screenings. The Original movie had Indiana Jones take SEVERAL MORE MINS of insults from this woman, and travel back in time to indiana Jones 1st adventure. Then have young indie die saving Helena, thus erasing him from history. AT which point, Helena takes up his hat, introduces herself as indiana Jones, and REPLACES HIM IN ALL OF HIS MOVIES. This movie is the result of patchwork reshoots and last minutes of rewrites in the studio's realization that the previous ending would be FRNACHISE MURDER.
It also feels like Harrison Ford is a crotchety old man who has forgotten how to have fun, and it shows in EVERY. SINGLE. ROLE. he's been in for the past 20 years.
He doesn't care. He only cares about the money, and who can blame him?
@@Empress_Theresa If you aren't an artist for the art, don't be an artist. Not like he needs another $20M when he's 80.
100%. I agree, the writing was lazy and the treatment of beloved characters is just stupid. Producers and studio execs should know better. What is also unbelievable is that Kathleen Kennedy was associate producer and producer on the original Indy films and other successes such as ET and Back to the Future, she even did a cameo as a dancer in the opening sequence for Temple of Doom.
Hello Movie Overload! Apparently, Disney controls Rotten Tomatoes. I heard somewhere on Quora that Disney made Rotten Tomatoes lock the Audience Score percentages for The Rise of Skywalker, among a couple of other shady things aimed at discrediting fans. So that's why The Rise of Skywalker sits at 86%-it's unmovable, immutable, no matter how many bad audience reviews the movie gets. It's locked at 86%.
A lot of things needed to change for this film to strike a very different tone. Didn’t like Crystal Skull but was somewhat happy with the ending.
Even if they pushed ahead with not having Mutt, this being worked earlier and not creating a rift between Indy and Marion could have still worked better. Maybe this is all wishful thinking but so many things did not work for me on this film
It's interesting, you cited the last jedi with Luke but the comparison to Han Solo is so damning.
Han solo is separated from Leia. His son, instead of being dead, is a nazi. He's a shell of his former self with no one willing to deal with him. The only difference is his replacement likes him and he also gets to die.
Awesome review. About Crystal Skull, at least still feels like Indiana Jones, not on the level of the Trilogy, but it's a fun Indy adventure. But Dial of Destiny, well, it's the story of Helena Shaw with an old broken man that in the end wants to end his life.
"You need to respect these characters..."
Man, the day Hollywood does that again will really be the day pigs fly!
I thought Crystal Skull was a fun movie so I don't know if I'll enjoy this or not 💀
EDIT: Comments here are abysmally toxic & some of the nonsense takes make my head hurt. Will definitely watch the film now
You wont
Crystal Skull was not great but still good.
Dont listen to the bad comments, see it and decide for yourself
@@jorgecas5678 Ik will be doing that.
Its a tasteless soup, a sour soda and lame pale spaghettis.
"Budget Shortround" LOL!! I liked it, I think it was ok, not great but ok. As a matter of fact, I thought it was a couple of scenes and lines to make it great. Indiana Jones, to me, has always been about the emotional growth of Indi. The first one was about his relation with Marion, the second with Shortround and of course, the third with his dad. With this one, the ideas were there but they weren't connected well. It was badly executed.
I'd rather watch Crystal Skull again instead of Dial of Destiny, and this is coming from a Crystal Skull defender!
You don't want to disturb your fellow movie goers by climbing over them, to get out of the theater. Not with Indiana Jane, there's no one around you to climb over.
The character of Helena was a self centered and insufferable mouth breather of a woman who was trying to be a man that was trying to be a feminist whose minor character arcs were no where near enough to offset the incessant belittling and betraying treatment of Jones.
You all are never satisfied.. what a great film this was. Incredibly entertaining my jaw was on the floor during the ending sequence in Ancient Greece. Always inspiring , love any movie from Indiana jones series
I'm not joking when I say this, I deadass FELL ASLEEP during this movie and missed about 20 minutes and won't be bothered to try again
My opinion is Shia LaBeauf, Marion, short round, and some other old characters should of been in this as protagonists.!
Knew they wouldn’t involve Shia after the slagging he gave Crystal Skull.
@@thekitowl He could of been better in this.
Phoebe WB is another brand destroyer just like DM to Bud Light.
What the hell did she do? Her character is annoying but then what? Its hilarious that you called the creator Fleabag a "brand destroyer" like any excuse to hate women. With KK its understandable.
I actually watched all 5 in the last week and the first 3 was great, 4 okay, and the new one is just toxic with the female lead
I haven’t seen it myself, but one thing I’ve noticed is that the people who didn’t like this movie can bring up many different things in the movie that were bad, while the people who liked it never say why they actually liked it.
And you didn't even mention how they ignored the story arc regarding him being the main suspect of the two murders at his work place!!!!!
Yeah, is he still wanted for murder?
The obnoxious Helena Shaw, played by Phoebe Waller-Bridge, was the worse part of this film.
I feel like the only time that the formula actually succeeds is rocky, but largely cuz we have a film of old rocky and then going into creed. You’re definitely right of the formula as well. I feel like there should’ve been films showing that progression instead of dropping in on it.
It only succeeded because Sly Stallone wrote the script, and he actually cares about the characters.
I forgot about Rocky.
How is it no one seems bothered by the fact that Voller gets hit in the face with a steel pipe & flung off the side of a speeding train and survives without a single scar or physical impairment?
Or that every Nazi in the beginning has a gun EXCEPT the two in the backseat of the vehicle Indy commandeers?
Or that those same two Nazis don’t see the driver laying on the ground right next to the car literally seconds after Indy punched the driver and pulls him out of the car?
Or that none of the Nazis on the train simply broke the big glass window on the train doors, reached between the bars, and unjammed the door, but had to wait for their Captain to release them?
Or that Indy had enough time to change out of his Nazi uniform & into his regular clothes while this was going on?
Is it because everyone is too busy going after the low hanging fruit of Helena Shaw?
How anyone praises the 1st 20 minutes of Indy 5 without mentioning any of the aforementioned plot holes is beyond me.
I really liked Mads Mikkelsen in the movie. He carried it. And I loved his character in Clash of the Titans
The same could be said of the Bond francise. Cubby Broccoli must be turning in his grave at what his daughter and son-in-law did by killing off Bond. And, how can you reboot the series with a fallen dead hero - to merely bringing him back, by re-booting the series, is an insult to audiences intelligence - they should never have killed him off!!
What an asinine take man.. Do you really think the audience is that dumb that they dont know the character gets rebooted? Craig had a proper beginning & a proper end. It was the best way to end the most complex Bond yet.
@@Comicbroe405 Oh that's make a lot of sense...kill a much love character, then reboot...then kill him again, and reboot the character again, again and again - that's why it insults the intelligence of fans - but hey, we all have our opinions - much like assholes, everyone has one
So many problems with this film, Indy loses a son, but gains a 'God'-daughter is one of them.
God daughter from Hell!
The Freakin Dora movie was a better Indy movie than Dial of Destiny