Why Sweden rejected a coronavirus lockdown - BBC Newsnight
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- Swathes of the world have gone on some form of lockdown to fight coronavirus, but in Sweden they are still open for business. Subscribe to our channel here: goo.gl/31Q53F
Over 100 countries have issued a full or partial lockdown as the world fights the coronavirus pandemic.
But one nation has taken the unusual step of continuing to have schools, shops and pubs open, albeit with some social distancing measures.
Sweden’s Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell maintains this is the right approach for the Swedish people, but the decision is not with its detractors.
And more than 2000 people have died of Covid-19 there, compared to a combined total of fewer than 800 from neighbours Denmark, Norway and Finland - all of whom locked down.
Do the Swedes know something the rest of the world doesn’t? And how do they react to seeing much of the world take such a severe approach?
International Editor Gabriel Gatehouse reports.
#Coronavirus #Covid19 #Sweden
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It's the same here in Japan as well. People have been requested for self-control instead of a brutal lockdown. A lot of shops are open and public transport is running.
Doesn't Japan have one of the highest mortality rate in Asia due to Covid-19?
@@Rasta426 could be due to the high percentage of old age groups but Indonesia has the highest mortality despite the partial lockdown.
Actually they closed down further because it was getting out of control
Swedish and Japanese are smarter than the rest of "sheep mentality" world.
@@kamaleshvp idk if they're smarter but they're certainly dying more
It never ceases to amaze me that the people pushing for lockdown have things like a countryside place, or a nice big house and garden to "shelter in place" along with a nice salaried job that will pay them to stay home.
I don't have a big house or a garden, I live in a city and I support lockdown.
@@DisobedientSpaceWhale bullshit
If you arent wealthy, you CAN NOT AFFORD LOCKDOWN.
You would starve to death .
@@consciousgentile5141 I'm not wealthy 🤷♂️
@@consciousgentile5141 I agree, people in third world countries can't afford not working and have no savings and no government support. Countries like Germany or China should support citizens in other countries who can't afford food.
@@NJ-wb1cz people in America cant afford it either.
That is why millions of people in America are lining up for food banks.
Over 25 million Americans are currently unemployed-- no income.
They can not survive any lockdown-- and the numbers of unemployment are growing daily.
Only people who are wealthy can afford this lockdown crap.
These videos on Sweden seriously need to stop making statements saying that everything is normal and that everything is how it was before the pandemic. We have no lockdown, but things are far from how it used to be.
@Adithya R Belgium, Spain, Italy, France, UK, Netherlands and Ireland has higher fatality per million people.
It is the same just small changes like dont stand to close.
Max 50 ppl at the same spot but thats mostly for resturants.
And dont visit grandma.
@Adithya R actually the video is incorrect, they are following all the required things like wearing mask, sanitizer, physical distancing, no large gathering more than 50, etc.
But they don't want people to stay at home, do all your chores but also follow the required precautions to avoid covid. Especially Older people are on lockdown for their own sake.
You may say its dumb but in few months or weeks you will be doing the same. Whenever your country opens the lockdown, the virus will spread unless you lock them for 1 year and wait for vaccine.
So in the end every country on the earth will follow what sweden was doing from the start or you can kill your economy.
It may look like that the Sweden have many fatalities early on but in the end just like sweden every country will reach herd immunity, some may reach early like sweden and some will reach later. So currently sweden may have 6th highest death rate but when other countries starts easing lockdown the fatalities will rise.
Lockdown is just slowing and delaying the inevitable.
@@prashantsolanki007 korea doesnt have lockdown they're doing fine the thing they did correctly was test early and people are following social distancing orders and taking precautions (though fucking China out bought the masks so when we were hit in March we were lacking masks) also so many foreign press are talking about korea having no freedom due to the tracking but they are either misinformed or just wanting to talk bullshit about the tracking (no you personal info doesnt get exposed.). its a country that impeached a corrupted president how is that a country with no freedom
@Adithya R lol wrong lol highest lol? Google is one click away. Lol
Sweden. Based on trust. The US is like a disturbed hornet’s nest. On a GOOD day
Paul Holland true
Studies have proved that people ( communities and countries)who are trusting are more relaxed productive and happy
I live in Sweden as you may guess from my name. I say that we sometimes are more than bit naive around here. I say that trust has worked fairly well this time, but it hasn't worked in all cases. It has finally dawned on the authorities that people who make money on breaking the rules might actually do so. The authorities are now beginning to order shutdowns of restaurants that don't follow government social distancing guidelines. You have to do some hard enforcement now and then to make people fall in line.
I like what your former president FDR once said: "Speak gently, but carry a big stick" That way you can actually work with trust. People will listen if you imply that there might will be consequences if you break the trust.
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Ragnar Gustafsson sweds are smarter than the average bears
@@RK-su4hs keep smoking whatever you're smoking rn
Everyone seems to miss the point. Sweden has not restricted a lot of things but recommended a lot of things. Scandinavians often follow serious recommendations. Everyone says how restaurants are open but rare news say people may not go to restaurants that much (because of recommendations and common sense).
hoggif not true, there are way to many people at many restaurants and other public spaces in Sweden, the government now says that they will close all the restaurants that don’t follow the restrictions
@@user-kf2pl3gl2v stop lying. At daytime there is 0 people are restaurants in Gamla stan, on Kungsholmen or Norrmalm. Where do you see the full restaurants?
Guildford Suxs I’m not lying. If you’re from Sweden just look at the news or go outside yourself and you will see
Guildford Suxs if you don’t believe me:
mitti.se/nyheter/kommunen-kontroller-uteserveringar/?omrade=sollentuna www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/9v4M9p/fulla-uteserveringar-i-stockholm--trots-lofvens-tillsagelse
@@user-kf2pl3gl2v But majority of restaurants are in economy crisis, you can't do the math that the customers are not there in general?
Swedes have one big advantage, unlike us British; they're not morbidly obese.
@Lord Kek But they are not like the Britisb or the Americans overall.
the death rate is much higher in areas with higher pollution too, like northern Italy
rickster4k Hong Kong, Taiwan, South Korea, Russia. All those places have high air pollution levels, and their death rates are very low
Speak for yourself chubby.
Also about half of our population live in single-person apartments and we have among the lowest population densities in all of Europe. Plus we have excellent healthcare infrastructure. Sweden is probably better equipped to handle this than most countries so while I do think the strategy we've gone for will work alright for us, I don't think it'd have gone as smoothly in most other countries had they done the same
Restaurants in Stockholm who don’t use physical distancing for their guests are first warned then closed if they do not remedy things immediately..
do you have proof of that?
@@robinsss www.expressen.se/nyheter/coronaviruset/sa-manga-har-dott-av-covid-19-i-sverige1/
@@robinsss Google is on click away, why argue about thing you can easily find out for yourself?
@@TheRealDr.Mabuse US restrictions are much tighter
in some places restaurants are closed completely
@@robinsss What's your point? Sweden has chosen the path that works best under their prevailing circumstances. Robert Issac explain that strategy quite well:
www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/health-worker-posts-video-explaining-17929936
Sweden do admit that they have failed to protect their senior citizen (and immigrants in densely populated suburbs - but it's NPC to talk about that) but that's directly not related to their trategy.
BBC now you are really sad that Sweden handle this world class, even Stefan Löfven that I never was a big fan off have grown and have handled this world class. We Will be United in this!
Ur praising Löfven that only had one strategy due to Sweden's small hospital capacity and the lack of protections in hospitals homecare and elderly homes is almost nonexistent. So yes death toll is higher in Sweden than our neighbours but that have very little to do with lockdown or not, instead its the lack of protection for the vulnerable that we are failing completely. Stopping relatives from visiting do absolutely nothing when you have enough workers every day to statistically secure every home being infected. If this pandemic was an exam we would fail. If Sweden wasnt so poorly prepared for a pandemic the cynical part in me would say: Our leaders are not fighting the pandemic but trying to save the ecenomy by letting our old die.
The head of Norways public health department said that the only difference is that sweden decided to pay the price early and Norway will have to do it later down the line.
Exactly
Well, no, because as is said - treatment will get better with time. We're learning more and more each day, aboit different kinds of covid pneumonia, different paths it could take, etc.
Even if no miracle drug appears, the death rate will only become lower with time.
@@NJ-wb1cz have you looked at the number of people who survive treatment in Stockholm? 7/10 survive geriatrics 8/10 survive the ICU. Unless the drug reverses old age then your new drug isnt going to move those numbers alot.
@@CrowColdblade hmm interesting.. do they do anything differently from the rest of the world?
@@CrowColdblade there's an untested idea that BCG vaccination helps slow down covid infection rate and improve outcomes, and it seems Sweden had BCG vaccination policy up until 1975, making all covid risk groups somewhat protected.
This would also explain relatively slow onset of infection in Russia and India and low number of deaths there, which should've blown up a long time ago.
As he stated in a longer interview, the Swedish approach is sustainable for the long term whereas the approach most other countries are taking is not. So we may be just putting off the inevitable infections at an enormous cost to society. The UN is now saying 130 million people are heading towards starvation due to the lockdown approach. So there is a point where the cure is worse than the disease in terms of human life.
Yes, all countries are going to use the swedish approach for the future, when the control the initial spread. The problem with swedish approach is that it should be used later, not early. Because it might spin out of hand, and for the time being we see it doesnt get any better now.
Karl Courage yes I don’t hear about any supermarket/ grocery store workers dying from this and they deal with hundreds of people a day. We will have to cocoon the old and unhealthy in the future,sounds bad but we can’t go on like this
Great point...lockdown is not sustainable for months on end. Your economy and society will be broken.
@@nickbrennan3389 no country is going for an extended lockdown
Eitviltas Janišius exactly
I live in Sweden. There are recomendation and rules everywhere. But here we listen to each other. When the ski resort is open the scientists not the prime minister says it's no good to go skiing. 99 percent dont go there and the resort listen and close it down. No orders. Just the pressure from each other. We listen to the ones who have a whole lifetime studying and working with pandemics. They are the one who knows best. Like that guy in the US. The little guy. Dont know the name. I bet he knows more about this than Trump. Our prime minister says dont leave Stockholm in Easter and 90 present didnt leave. A lot better than a leader talking about lights and bleach.
TheWarmcoldsurfer Dr Anthony Fauci. He was instrumental, to say the least, in helping to find a treatment for AIDS during that epidemic. He was awarded a Presidential medal from George W Bush for his efforts
When you start to compare Sweden government to Trump government, I know how low your expectation is. Compared to Finland Norway and Denmark, Sweden is doing a much more terrible job
@@chima6291 Wait and see! This is marathon, not 400m.
How on earth, there's mutual trust between people and their government?? I'm shock.. this is unbelievable..
Great job, Sweden.. 💜🇮🇩
@@chima6291 They also have smaller populations. Sweden has the largest population among the Nordic countries. Not that it is big, at ten million, but Norway has around five million and Denmark has an even smaller population. Such things matters as well.
There are other factors involved. Like how elderly care is structured. Moat elderly in Sweden live in small apartments, often attached to a special care home facility but still their own home. Family members often have keys to these apartments and are legally allowed to visit.
Meaning there is no front desk able to stop a visitor from coming the care facility. That's what has caused the outbreak among elderly in care homes.
The kid naruto running at 3:07 is my hero
I'm not a huge Naruto fan ('cause I haven't seen it yet, seen only a few short animes), but I expected this to flood the comments and it didn't... I smiled when I finally saw yours 😂😊
Lol... thanks😁
Sweden - where even the ducks politely social distance.
@s Y He litterly means that ducks are doing social distancing :)
@s Y Yep
@s Y yes
@Black Sun Obelisk Sorry we left religion go. We are secular.
🦆✨🦆✨ @7:47
This is exactly how I would have handled it if I had the choice. When you let ppl take care of themselves, they do. The ppl that want to stay home, can. The ppl who want and need to keep working, can. No restrictions means ppl take personal responsibility. It works perfectly. Why the world needed a nanny, is insane to me.
The government thinks they know better.
I strongly believe that if the US had had a better response to the pandemic, we could have followed Sweden's footsteps in addition to masks, social distances and closing schools.
Yes but they created this situation. So what do you ask?
If you think you need to wait for Trump to tell you the correct response then you have already lost.
Schools aren't the issue, they need to close care homes more than that.
If we don’t have the demoncrapic party then you are right!!
@@maloriefrancis1534 the re-pube-lican party are in power though, last time I checked.
They are doing the right thing. It has been agreed that more people will die because of lockdown. Reasons people not getting screened for cancer and other illnesses alone 2500 per week are not being diagnosed with cancer. No one is getting treatment for other illnesses hence the reason lots of people in care homes are dying. Good on you sweden i wish britain would do the same.
0:24 "after the long Nordic winter" bruh it snowed 1 time in like mars lol
bruh, its snowing right now
Elias Andersson inte i södra sverige b. Fan 15-17 grader
@@eliasandersson8236 nah, it's raining
@@oink9492 its been a day, the weather changes... and sweden is a long country so there can be multiple weathers
@@eliasandersson8236 right, in Uddevalla by this morning it seemed warm so i put on shorts and a t-shirt and then it started raining :")) 😅🤣
Treat people like intelligent adults, instead of sheep, and most will respond accordingly, to the benefit of all.
In a utopian world maybe
So Boris and Trump were right again....
You've no idea what it's like in Sweden it's worse than the uk but it's not reported... look for my comment if you wanna know why.
This is what the UK should of done . None of this shit Lockdown garbage .
@@gilesscanlon2586 . You obviously haven't been outside lately then
what's really striking in this video is how healthy and happy Swedes look, barely an overweight person and not a single obese one. They must be doing something right
Mothering Abomination Viking genes
Tax based public offices for health and for nutrition as well as economic safety nets making people more educated and less stressed/overworked, cities built to walk and bike in, teaching nutrition and personal health care in every school, almost free healthcare, free school food that isn’t junk... we don’t need viking genes, we have what our taxes pay for: a system that promotes wellbeing.
Elmer Alexis U are correct-YOUR taxes pay for it! What does a country do when a large number of its people enjoy welfare, breeding large#s of kids who then perpetuate the cycle and do NOT contribute financially? The conundrum continues and has for quite a few generations. Opportunities are available-I know cause I escaped the cycle!
the fat ones are indoors too afraid to venture out
@@kimzachris5340 Damn that sounds good. Can I come over and live with you? I'm clean, don't make noise and will work until I can afford my own place... I'll sleep on the floor.
Swedes were social distancing already before the corona outbreak. Sweden covers an area of 450.000 square kilometres with a population of only ten million citizens. In comparison ten million people lives in the Greater London Urban Area that occupies an area of 1700 square kilometres. While Swedens approach may be the best for Sweden it may not be the best strategy for every country.
That is precisely what people are forgetting (i live in London). On top of that Swedes are listening and trusting their government not like Brits who kept of breaking social distancing rules up to the time when PM himself got sick
Except that most of Swedens population live in dense urban areas, those 10 million people are not spread out evenly.
Stockholm has 1 million people, thats far more than most UK cities, about the same as Birmingham
@@quillo2747 still 1 million (Stockholm) is much easier to control than 10 millions (London). Especially when when social behavioral patterns are so different, not only density. On top of that Swedes overall is a much healthier nation vs the UK, with a better health system (God bless the NHS and huge thank you to all the frontline health workers)
Sweden urban density is higher than UK - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_by_country
@LJ H Hehe 90% of the Swedish population lives in the south of Sweden which makes out slightly less than 50 % of the total area.
We are more urbanized than you are and thus more densely packed.
Dividing a country's population with the total available land area is not a good measurement to show the actual population density.
Here in Sweden I have to move do to covid-19. I can't aford rent now when the restaurant I work at had to pull back to on staff and witch hours we are open.
A car factory here had to lay off thousands of workers.
The high school in my town is closed and stores stand open but empty. My grandparents moved out to the country side to stay safe.
Things are different now.
I trust my government and the strategy. But these videos makes it looks like there are no effects nor that swedes trie to stop the virus.
We just do it different but we are doing something.
And every single one of these videos are focused on Stockholm or the surrounding region. The rest of Sweden is nothing like Stockholm and to be frank a lot of us are frustrated about dumb Stockholm folks not tacking it seriously and going on skiing trips to the north or go to pubs.
But isnt your economy doing as badly as Denmark's (where they had a lockdown) while the death rate from COVID19 is higher in Sweden than in Denmark (or Norway)
good, peoples health are more important than you selling sandwiches
Why should i believe you?
Thanks for speaking truth & sharing reality. The Sweden stratgey is not great, though you've flattened the curve apparently. ..but what's the situation now, in July 2020?
I wouldn't trust this person. They have a "woke" profile and are so pushing the Globalist Agenda
Thats what I call a real country. THANK YOU Sweden for showing us that we dont have to end with our basic freedom rights because some government says so
This is not a one size fits all thing. Sweden is a country with a tiny healthy population. A country with great healthcare system as well. Around 50% of the population also lives in a single person house, so the risk of bringing the disease home to a family member is low. But still, Sweden's approach to combating the outbreak is far from perfect as the country is among the top ten nations with high Covid-19 deaths.
Even with the lock down in place, America's hospitals are already overwhelmed. I can't imagine what would have happened without those drastic measures.
Yeah, look what is happening in the UK. th-cam.com/video/SPxhakXvdKU/w-d-xo.html
If The US government had reacted quicker maybe they could have done the same as Sweden but as covid-19 cases increased so fast a complete lockdown was probably the right way to go.
The Swedish government can trust its people to be resposible because we don't like to socialize much anyway baha ;P
Forenta staterna kan lara sig fran sverige. Pa' hur en behover inte en lasning att hantera att krisera!
Sweden accepted taking in lots of migrants, so the Swedes will simply take the vaccine right away without having to prepare them.
I live in Sweden. My husband and I have been working from home since March 13th. We work at the university. On March the 13th, we went to work as normal. On March the 16th, the whole university started working from home. We start to by groceries on line, and I drive my daughter and her friend to and from the school so that they can avoid the collective traffic. Most people here have changed their behavior, and we are ready to continue to follow the government's advice as long as necessary.
Which is why you didnt need a lockdown, but your kind of compliance couldnt happen in many countries. Plus the death rate in Sweden is still higher than in Norway or Denmark
I wish the interviewer left his personal opinions out of this, like a true reporter should. I can understand where the Swedes are coming from, we cannot all stay home for the next year or two. In other nations (like Australia, where I live) when restrictions are lifted will there be a second wave? There is a need for herd immunity, it will eventually come down to that. Let's just see how they fair in a years time.
The difference is, we aren't forced to stay at home, but are recommended to do so. Most people stay home because of the pandemic and tons of buisnesses are making their People work from home. We Swedes generaly listen to our government and don't really need to be forced to do what we are told.
Meanwhile americans are forced to stay indoors and they still get people out in the street protesting and believing everything to be a hoax.
Not gonna say we are perfect though. This approach has lead to us having way more deaths than Norway or Denmark.
@@TisMeChloe The thing is we (Swedes) might be one of the few countries in the world who can use this method as effectively as this. This simply wouldn't work in the US.
So i don't like the way those politicians say "Other countries are over reacting" or just not believing that the method is the reason for our higher mortality numbers.
We Swedes might be very responsible and good at doing what the government tells us IN GENERAL. But i feel like they overestimate us this time.
This method is flawed, but we manage to compensate for it. However, not enough unfortunately
@@TisMeChloe will take 2-5 years..... :D Where is your source please? :)
Sweden is most sensible and brave society. Everyone should learn from them.
@God Fun:
Sadly not.
The mortality rates in Sweden are between 5-10 times higher than their neighboring Scandinavian countries.
Virus infections are rampant in elderly homes around the country, despite the fine claim of "protect the elderly!", because the health authorities refuse to believe that Covid-19 can infect from people who don't have symptoms, even if several studies already have shown that this is possible.
Because of this belief they recommend that staff *does not* need to wear protective gear around the clients, and since the local authorities around the country follows this advice, there's no protection for the elderly, nor for the staff taking care of them..
The health authorities now spread their arms and says "We don't understand where the infections in the elderly homes can have come from"...
They systematically have underestimated the development of the disease, and only reluctantly confess that "the numbers are higher than we thought" when confronted..
As you can see now, they are claiming that "the final result is not here yet", where earlier they tried to claim "our numbers are not higher than other's"..
Sweden right now is like living in one of those movies where everyone can see that the protagonist is living in insanity, except of course himself..
Tht opinion may or may not be valid in this specific case. It depends on what we can conclude later on when we have enough data to evaluate strategies. However it is outright dangerous to believe that swedish society is sensible in general.
Sweden is very different from most other countries, there are not a lot of people in a big open space. Work out yourselves why the Swedish model doesn't translate to other countries well...
Look at the Taiwanese approach also. Taiwan is a different culture and densely packed. They did not commit long term suicide. I wonder if the BBC did a report on Taiwan.
@glyn hodges not are not among countries with the highest number of cases
Finland has no strict lockdown in place. Schools and restaurants are closed, and gatherings are limited to ten people. And the borders are closed. But that's about it. You are allowed to shop and travel within the country without restrictions. Of course there are recommendations to avoid social encounters and unnecessary travelling and people and taking it seriously. So far over 2/3 of all corona deaths in the country originate from care homes for the elderly. :( The rest of the population is doing pretty fine so far.
Yep, I can confirm that. Sometimes in these discussions it seems that some swedes assume that lockdown in many countries is the synonym for everyone being inside 24/7. At least in Finland stores and malls are open and public transportation is running.
You tuuu only country where people are forced indoors 24/7(total lockdown) is China
@@youtuuu4091 That's because they are so hellbent on justifying the gamle their government is doing. They apparently think none of their neighbour populations have been outside for the past month. But I'm not surprised, swedes only get their news from the notoriously pro government tabloid Aftonbladet
Same in Norway. Except sine restaurants are open.
It is different in many countries, Finland or Denmark for example, both have around 5 million population and they are not that much dense. Something similar to Scotland's numbers of course, they might higher here because here we have a denser population and we are part of a group of 65 million people.
Swedes can be trusted to be responsible. We Americans can't. It's as simple as that.
Think again
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Rational
Well done Sweden. Enjoy your springtime.
Singapore was like this not a month ago. Japan too. Look at where they are now. I wish nothing but the best for Sweden.
Take Tokyo for example their population is almost 40 times the entire population of Sweden. People are not forced into close contact with each other here to the same extent but I think that it could become an issue if people aren't careful. I'm currently staying home as much as possible and attending school at a distance being located in Gothenburg.
But people are wearing mask in Asia AND see the case per population, Asia has more people than Sweden...
The people of Japan will suffer. I have friends there who either own schools or are University professors. They're very worried. My niece is being forced to go to a very packed elementary school. Luckily for her they live in a reasonably small city in the country side. I have been trying to get my Sister-in-law to keep her out but the Japanese as a whole are generally lemmings who do what they are told.
@@Trumpsterfire101 Japan is on a collision course with in time borrowed time they're getting much worse much worse in I do agree with you it's getting scary for a lot of places and this isn't even the 2nd wave
@Ian Smith They put travel restrictions in place early.
I'm a swede and i try to minimise my social contacts, i work from home. I walk or drive if going anywhere. But I do go outside, it's the social contacts not the outside-air....
That kid naruto running across the camera is my hero.
sweden has many weebs
hey twin! long time no see
@Mysticfox2010 the swedish flag is the new kek spread the word
I saw that as soon as I read your comment! So epic! 😂
"Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make" - Lord Farquaad
Imhotep And Boris Johnson lol
They even say "anyway we just took from them several months of life" wtf???
LOL!
The trouble is its a sacrifice your willing to make well thats ok but this action could endanger others
mark caine Exactly.
This was going to be the UK strategy, herd immunity. But we panicked when Imperial showed Boris their new figures. Time will tell who was correct.
The BBC did.
Different time different Virus Power (now is 4 times weaker !)
The herd immunity strategy is the reason the UK have had over 40k deaths and are by far and away the worst off country in Europe because of Corona. It's been an absolute disaster from the start for the UK.
(As damage control the UK government are only including hospital deaths in their official figures but like in other countries such as Italy, France, Spain, 60% of the deaths have happened in care homes and at home. The difference is that every other European country includes all deaths in their official figures, not just hospital ones. Check the National Statistics for the real figure.)
@@cigh7445 Well, do Brits generally listen to government and do as they're recommended? Not really, right? Swedes usually do, and if not, is met with widespread social shaming. Same strategy, different cultures.
@Cardinal Sin shut the fuck up you and your familly chickened out and pressured him not to chose that option
Now that pollution is under control, they want to make sure Greata goes to school - No more excuses Greata
@Sus ur actually pathetic for hating on a kid. lmfaoooo get a life
Hahaha
@Sus ty
@Lelouch Yagami Yes. Mind control
@Sus Actually people begin making jokes because they feel safe in guarded borders. Because shaking hands is not hygienic people in Germany greet each other with raised right arm again LOL
Do you remember there in Sweden when Estonia sank. Sweden lost 500 people. It was a major , horrible accident and brought so much pain, never forgotten. Now in a couple of months you have lost 8 x 500 people. Does that make you understand better what has happened in Sweden and how much pain it has caused?
03:17 "Trust is at the heart of the Swedish strategy". This statement puts it perfectly why this would work in Sweden but not in the current environment in the US. There has not been trust in the US government in decades.
Mali Mish Travels The World : The govt also trusts their people. To be sensible, reasonable...
In South Africa... Not so much❣. Stay safe and well❣🐸🐸🐸
Same here in the Philippines, there is large trust issue from the Government and the Population it self, that's why the lockdown is needed.
So true.
Recent antibody tests, within large populations here in the U.S., are revealing that between 200,000 to 400,000 people already had the virus. (aka asymptomatics) That puts the mortality rate at 0.25%, according to the recent guessestimated death tolls within those populations. That's a mortality rate 2% lower than that of the flu. What a curious, interesting and troubling phenomenon.
This is one of the many reasons why Americans no longer trust government and will never trust government.
@@_BenJaminCroft_ flu mortality rate is normally around 0.1%. And I think we all knew with the lack of sufficient testing and the high infectious rate that it was far more wide spread from very early. this is not a surprise to most people.
@@malimish Yup. I know friends and family, including me, that already got their yearly sickness back in late December early January.
I’m rooting for Sweden, wish I were there.
Until you get sick.
chrisrulez66 Do us all a favour & stay in your house forever.
@@chrisrulez66 U are patethic
Because they realise everyone will eventually be exposed anyway so get it over with then society and the economy can begin to recover.
Joe Bloggs what a stupid comment, if every country did this their healthcare systems would be destroyed, have you no heart for the people in healthcare jobs having to work 24/7 yet you want to add more work for them? What a prick
@@Murdocke89 becuase you're over reacting.
Aye and just kills thousands of extra people for the economy. Nice morals.
@@Murdocke89 You cant see more than 1 or 2 weeks ahead .. You're short sighted, not big hearted.
@@DirkAndDestroy You cant see more than 1 or 2 weeks ahead .. You're short sighted, not big hearted.
Kids and healthy need to "play" together.
Putting them in a bubble destroys there inmune system.
Exactly. It's the same logic they use to promote vaccines, so why don't they let kids build immunity with weak diseases like COVID-19? Will be better for everyone in the long run.
The Herd Immunity method is *not* working well at all with the coronavirus. It would take years for humans to build immunity to it. Better offer yourself as a sacrifice if you think Herd Immunity should be the immediate solution.
They could pass it on to their grandparents. They could pass it on to people with pre-existing health conditions.
@@niamhha9014 The point of lock down is to prolong the outbreak so hospitals don't get overwhelmed. They aren't.
Exactly what I wrote !
Overeaction huh! In my countries we had Movement Control Order and Ministry of Health provided SOP for the economic sector to followed. But unlike Sweden, our health system while still under control was exhausted. Some even said that their parent haven't been home for more than 3 month as they are doctor who was tasked with the Covid19 patient. There is one cases where one Nurse fainted and a female doctor send a message online in the state of crying and exhausted asking the people of this countries to stay at home, don't go outside, be responsible, be honest with doctor and nurses and follow the instruction and advice given.The reason why other countries issue a lockdown was to cut the chain of spread of Covid19 and reduce the burden and pressure of the health service. In my countries the MCO was meant to remove those who have been infect and traces all of those in contact with them to be tested and put in quarantine. Those who unbeknown to themselve have been infected by Covid19 was at home thus avoided any possible spread. It also didn't help that some people was really unresponsible, they lying to the doctor and go against the advice. Sweden follow the government advice, but here they are not!! Some people here in the comment section who angry that government don't trust the people and saying Covid 19 was not a big deal cause it only mild infectious and only targeted certaint group of people, i find it very unpleasant. Some people here go to one religious gathering, when government advice them to go meet a doctor to get tested yet they refused and then sure some of them who go to the gathering while it's true despite get infectious they immediatly cure and didn't die and some of them didn't even showed any simptom but then their family who DIDN'T ACTUALY GO to the religious gathering and have been faithfully follow government advice get infect instead and some die. Wife, Children and elderly. It was absolutely unresponsible and selfish, while you are save and alive you spread the virus to other person and created a chain of Covid 19 and some people within that chain died thanks to you. Some lied to the doctor that they didn't get in touch with the Covid19 patient or go to huge gathering but when they suddenly tested positive, at that moment they just telling the truth. It was too late, all doctor and nurses there fall to their knees and almost crying and the rest of room had to been clean and sanitized. They had to be quarantine and tested. In my countries majority of the health service was under goverment management and no hospital could denied any patient. Covid19 patient must be prioritize.
@Ronnie Sutton Thank for writing your thought. Btw while i am understand the worried some people had over their job and financial issue when lockdown was announced, i am shocked when i hear that some teen in California US protested for dissallowing them having a party !! I mean some people here in my countries have to cancel their own wedding celebration knowing the danger of possible spread of Covid-19 when the number of cases soar to more than 500 from less than 100 after a huge religious gathering happened.
Proud of Sweden🇸🇪
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@Woiller- Relic www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704
People dying... And you feeling proud?
Cili Padi people losing jobs and starving. Worse things in the 3rd world. You feel safe yet?
Woiller- Relic Food Riots, Rampant Crime, Famine. Depression is way worse than this virus
Like they say here, Sweden's testing capacity is very small and it doesn't seem to capture all cases. They have tested 33% less than the UK (adjusted for population), however have 30% less deaths (adjusted for population) than the UK.
We Hong Kong had no cases for like 4 days. 😁
North Korea still doesn't have any cases
Is it supposed to be smart ... for not getting contaminated or getting ill ...
well it is not ...
the virus appeared in China from eating none sense ...
That doesn’t mean you’ve beaten the virus.
Tell your fellow people to get VPNs to have no one track or censor your internet like communism does. Free Hong Kong
Hongkong? No new covid cases?
So there is a smart country afterall
Junior PHYSICIST smart = 6x worse than Denmark lol
@@Lybrel 😅
To this day:
- Finland and Norway= 200 deaths by COVID-19
- Denmark = 400 deaths by COVID-19
- Sweden = 2,500 deaths by COVID-19...
Tell me which one is the smartest again?
@@tomasgordillo bro ...we are in lockdown for 6 weeks in Romania , and we have 600 deaths....we are all in houses ...who get out have to pay large fines ...so ? But the problem here is that the media lies about everything...all the pacients who died ...died from the virus , i really don't know what to think ...they give money to realtives to say the death come from the virus , in about 15 days we will go out , someone needs to be replaced up there , this shitty sistem needs to die once for all . They fucked up the entire country . You will see on the news , we did it in the past , we will do it again , this time i hope we will do it better!
@@dantalionv8580 corruption is everywhere and I'm pretty sure your government is corrupted. The pandemic problem goes beyond corruption. What I can confirm you is that you are not the only country on a complete lockdown. The results are different for everyone... It depends on many things. I can't tell you about Romania cause I don't know enough your country but I can tell you about Italy, Spain and France for sure. If those countries weren't on a lockdown right now, we could be talking at least about 10 times more infected and more dead people today. Just to add to that, those countries only count the hospital deads and are not counting the people that dies at home.
Where I live, In Quebec Canada, we've been doing a semi 'lockdown' for 5 weeks. We have more than 25,000 infected and 2,000 dead people. I really woulded like a complete lockdown like in other countries. The residences for elder people and it's health professionals are struggling so hard...
Is this what a free country looks like.
@enginemaxcarb. You have no clue at all. Maybe you should read mroe about the virus so you atleast can have some form of arguments.
@enginemaxcarb. Listen numb nuts, educate yourself do some alternative research about what this so called deadly virus is really all about. Locking people away indefinitely is not the answer. Think crashing economy's, population control and mandatory vaccination is why this is happening.
@Nick Bonney
Allowing everyone to roam free isn’t the answer either. Unless everyone commits to social distancing and strict practise but that’s highly impossible
@@Teemo6544 the plan is to get rid of the elderly . It's an economic decision. Mass murder taking place. Lofven is our pol pot
Teemo6544 roaming free doesn’t spread the virus. Close or near contact with other people does. Get the difference?
Nobody:
Swedish kid during a interview about Coronavirus measurements in Sweden: 3:07
Swedish naruto
@enginemaxcarb. Swedes*
@@ChristianDoretti Like you never make typos l, shut the fuck up you clown. Besides your Italian, you don't even speak English lol
It seems like they want the elderly to die. many are calling it a senicide. If you're old you will be denied even basic treatment such as oxygen. They only give you palliative care i.e. morphine
Slowly stories are starting to come out even though the hospital staff has been urged to stay quite. Doctors saying people with a good chance are left to die. This despite claims that we have spare intensive care places. The politicians think that having as many places as possible available is a good thing and they constantly mention that we're well prepared.
@@ethanobrien4707 Ok boomer
Wow, hearing the kids sing Itsy Bitsy Spider in elementary school (02:39) is such an eye opener to understand why they all speak English so perfectly.
It's incy wincy spider
Nahhh probably for the video
Well you cant get kids that age in Croatia to do it for the camera even if you paid them.
@@malimish Fair enough
They go to an English speaking school in Sweden. Most Swedish children do not speak English very well at that age.
I'm a scientist so I base every decision I make on feelings and hunches.
As it should be. It's an illusion that you can base a scientific opinion or theory solely on data.
For one, we can never be sure to have all the relevant data and secondly, the more data we have, the less we seems to understand the meaning of it. Data can be treacherous allies.
How do you think Einstein was able to put one and one together while the others failed ? Because of a hunch....
thats not what she was saying at.
A hypothesis is the place for feelings and hunches for sure. That said ethics and empiricism have to take over post hypothesis. I haven't seen much evidence of either in the Swedish governments approach to date.
Most of science is post rationalisation for hunches. I don't know why that's a taboo in science, everyone does it.
Bauplunk 😂😅😂
Long term Sweden will be far better off, because they have reduced the economic damage.
@MR Spoon The vast majority of those who died lost a few months of their lives, but we know that poverty takes off years of the whole population's lives. Long term saving the economy currently seems likely to save more lives.
@MR Spoon Not so much risking the population as deciding when you want to take the hit and how much financial damage will follow. Nothing suggests that Sweden will have more deaths when this is over.
@MR Spoon Well yes, we expect to have more deaths now since we are basically doing as little as we can without breaking the health care system. But having gone through a lockdown doesn't make people immune so the other nordic countries will catch up to us. Perhaps they will be better able to keep out Covid-19 from their elderly care tho, which is the only area where Sweden clearly has failed.
@MR Spoon If it was such a bad policy that Sweden has taken it would be clear for all to seel!!!! Another point is Western Europe and USA has major health problems long before covid19 arrived - Rest of the world uses its immune system, Western Europe and USA have Companies for that!
MR Spoon well done. You won the price for most stupid comment.
Every single country is gambling... =_= It's not like anyone can be completely sure their approach is right. Difference is, if Sweden's right, a lot of politicians will be blamed for being too harsh with lockdowns. Ofc if Sweden's wrong they're going to be used as an example. Almost like a 'Swedish model'.
Anthony Burke and what happens when other countries start opening their lockdowns? Cases will rise and so will deaths.
CCP Propaganda agent there’s actually no proof that reinfection happens.
Anthony Burke just look at what the who is warning against. They say opening the country now will lead to increased cases and in turn increased deaths.
Also on immunity, no there isn’t. But looking at other viruses, there is usually some form of immunity, even if it’s only for a few months.
@Uranus is Beautiful The Swedish strategy doesn't rely on immunity, so reinfections is irrelevant (from that aspect). The goal is to reduce the spread to numbers that the health care can cope with, with the least intrusive measures. Herd immunity, if it happens, is a bonus.
Not just politicians will be blamed, the likes of the BBC have championed this lock down at every stage, the pressure they put on the UK government was what made us change from Sweden's approach.
The difference?
The Swedish government treats its population as adults that understand responsibilities and allow them their choice to move freely.
Governments of countries in a lockdown treats its population as children that should only obey. They do not trust their own citizens of making responsible decisons.
Yea, we have that in Australia big time... Nanny state..
We bring it on ourselves by always taking the piss to extremes given half a chance, but it's still annoying! :)
Well said
The Swedes are having fun watching everyone else kung flu fighting .
I like that. Kung Flu fighting.. I'm going to use that from now on.
Still a horrible thing to be happening and I'm not sure Sweden's way is the right one yet, but we will see.
But if nothing else..Thanks for that.
@@frantiseklaluch6605 i cannot believe the praise for Swedens idiotic response from the Sweden Utopia crowd
@@jesseleeward2359 In the discussions here, they are parroting the "second wave" bullshit, and how "immune" Sweden will be... and how "lockdown" countries will die because of hunger and economy destruction... how Swedish people are responsible and better than anyone else.
Just do not ask about 3000 dead, because that is just old people in nursing homes. You know, who cares...
@@frantiseklaluch6605 well Sweden hasn't had 100 people dead on average since the pandemic started.
Beautifully filmed. Good job cinematographers and colour graders !
The interview at 7:20. Very nice
Wow! Such an eye!
I noticed that too, great job
How relevant lol
thats normal for Newsight, they dont [usually] fuck about.
This is a new thing and really nobody knows only time will tell. We'll see.
@enginemaxcarb.
I go outside. It's fine.
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So not having the restrictions in place could have let the UK have less deaths in hospital?
enginemaxcarb. IF YOU GO OUTSIDE YOU DONT DIE YOU FUCKING IDIOT.
Exactly! Well said Maximino Juarbe xx
When pollution is zero so avoid masks and enjoy d nature
Terrible and irresponsible reporting, reading from a book of notes turning the pages backwards.
Yep typicall bbc basically it was made up ....🤣
Why is the UK not publishing Covid-19 patient recovery data?
What do you think the figures are? Just use those.
@@tt707 Bang on
Good question
we know why.
because they dont seem to have a proper antibody test, and they are releasing people after only 7 days of isolation if they feel better, so they never really now for sure
The story of Plato's cave comes to mind and guess who's left behind in the cave....
can we just take into consideration that sweden has roughly twice the amount of inhabitants as norway? it is very easy to twist statistics in a way that suits your point (no hard feelings, everyone does it). you have to realise what you're really comparing.
I as a swede have more respect Anders Tegnell than for Lena Einhorn. When I saw her and Anders Tegnell discuss she didn't come with much except panic.
- Large problems doesn't always require large solution!
However like most people here saying. Sweden isn't completely normal, even though you trying to keep the local business alive by going there and support.
naruto run !!! @ t=3:07
mwdavis loool
He did that on purpose
In Sweden people say we're "cold" not because of the weather but because we like to keep our distance to others in general, not just when there's a pandemic. So our spread rate is low because we don't have many densely populated areas like in the UK, and we don't gather in tightly packed pubs and public places. If in the UK you try to do what we do you will have an explosion of contamination because everything in the UK is different than in Sweden.
The UK already did try to do what Sweden are doing and it has wreaked havoc on them with over 40k people dead so far. By far and away the highest death toll in Europe. (Except they only report hospital deaths in their official figures.)
@@cigh7445 There are so many variables involved in this that you can't just say UK and Sweden tried the same thing. There are loads and loads of things different. What i gather from all of this is that many have a hard time grasping nuance and correlation. Ie, failure at elderly care centers does not equate strategy of not closing schools and stores down being a failure.
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@@cigh7445 . What the hell are you talking about. So because you think there are more deaths then is reported you decide to put over 20k more on top of what has been reported.
And we didn't try heard immunity in the UK. It was going to be Boris Johnsons plan but he made a U-turn on it when his advisors told him what the death toll statistics would likely be if we tried it. It would have been an even bigger disaster as we don't social distance like Sweden, especially not in areas that have more ethnic minorities, we are very social and tactical.
DrCooks FT put an article out about there being 41k Deaths when including the community, a hunch that’s the numbers he’s referring to
Am greatful that I live in this great country. I Love the way sweds think.
Sweden is a crazy, disgusting country
@@SRBOMBONICA86 Jesus Christ wtf did Sweden do to you?
@Chuck Larsen isn't it lovely to know that in a few weeks you will be running out of food and starving in your house surrounded by toilet paper and instant noodles, you being one of the causes of the elderly deaths through panic buying and selfishness, Anywhere else in the world is a great place to be....
Yea lovely country. They are going for herd immunity, so they dont give a crap about their old folk. If 5 people die so what at least i can go out and about. The rest of the world is trying to save the 1. They gambled peoples lives. In my opinion nazi thinking.
@@aine7173 ok, so the herd immunity will actually save the elderly, herd immunity doesn't mean that everyone must get it. Think vaccines, not everyone takes it, however because of those who do a disease will spread less.
The reason a lot of elderly had died is because poor acting in the elderly care homes, they didn't follow the directions so the virus spread alot and unfortunatly alot of elderly died
i love sweden
swedish mentality....get it, and your country will flourish!
@Wuotans Krieger Mmmm, corny
Swedish mentality: Political Correctness!?
Amazing, comprehensive report, thanks
Not a total lockdown no, but restaurants are basically closed, high school and higher education is closed, no big public gatherings (50+) and many events cancelled etc.
Many are not going to work and are recommended not to.
Biggest difference to other countries is that daycare and elementary schools arent totally closed (but they have measures taken in classrooms, cantines etc, also less lessons)
du är idiot!
I get that waiting could improve the treatment in theory, but the reality is that medication and vaccines won’t be approved for too long
Sweden has a higher death toll per capita at the moment because they have a greater percentage of the population who have gotten the virus. Their neighbours will eventually reach such numbers when they have similar portion of their population infected. Flattening the curve doesn't decrease the total infected, it just drags out how long this issue lasts, assuming the healthcare infra can sustain it which Swedens seem to be doing.
That being said.. Ofc this wouldn't work in the UK. The population and density is very different. Also theres quite a big gap in terms of quality of the healthcare services and infrastructure. Considering the NHS is barely hanging on now while Sweden still has spare ICU beds.
Yeah but they need 60-70% estimates are 3-15%.
they have more sense than we have
👍👍👍👍👍
I want my own planet! This earth is riddled
Sweden is one of the best countries ever (coming from a Brit)
There’s such brilliant people, they have a great outlook on life and politics and they are key to many brilliant things.
Primarily ABBA
But they never wear a mask. I'm from South Korea, but I live in stockholm now. Sweden public health system is worst compared to South Korea. And Most Swedish people are lazy.
The Dr. makes a very good point around 8:00 which ought to be made more often. Scientists are not disinterested. They are as motivated by vanity, neuroticism or manic-depression as the rest of us.
That's why there are large groups of them. Every scientist is not exactly the same so they can double check everyone's data. You're being scientists!
And they are often paid by vested interests
Samuel Swenson
Yep they’re usually funded by big pharma.
@@jii. Good point. And these processes of double-checking, peer review, etc., take more time than we have in this situation.
You forgot a very important reason: MONEY.
Sweden is an island of normality in an insane world.. Who could predict this few months ago?!
Anyone who has ever lived in the country. I lived there many years and their approach fits totally with what I know about them.
@World Traveller They've made mistakes in not looking after care homes better, they've admitted that but their predictions are that Sweden will not have higher death rates compared to other European countries by this time next year. It's just higher now but will even out in time because other countries will get secondary waves when they lift their restrictions.
As for their economy I think it will bounce back faster than many others because they still have many work places open (restaurants, gyms, hairdressers as you saw) and half their workforce is working from home.
Of course it will be adversely affected but so will all other European countries but nowhere close to the likes of Spain or Italy for example.
@World Traveller The unemployment rate will be globally high after this is over. But Sweden will be in a better spot than most. A friend of mine just moved there due to this whole situation. If that turns into a trend then they trade old and sick people for younger and healthy workers. It is not a bad outcome in an economical sense.
@World Traveller If anything its protecting the elderly by isolating them while gaining heard immutity within the young, healthy population.
At this point all healthcare are set up for treating Covid patients a field hospital is prepared since a couple of weeks to handle more cases (havent been needed yet so int closed). I think the capacity tripled since they made adjustments. what has been reported by my local hospital (one of the biggest in the country) is that its "under stress but managable".
Im not sure we are doing the correct actions. noone knows. You are saying that restriction will lower the death count. Short term this is correct. Long term this is unsure. Its dependent on things we dont know. there might be a vaccine at some point. there might be better ways of treating it in a few months.
healcare systems need money. money is generated by economy. a ruined economy can cause many deaths in the future.
Time will tell. Maybe. i think it will take years to evaluate this. the death numbers aren't comparable now. New York times compared number of deaths normally to this year. looking at Spain they have 19700 more deaths then normal. 12000 was said to be corona. then what was the other 7000? Unrelated? ecuador have 500 covid deaths. but 7600 more then normal died during the period. list goes on.
I love this. Sweden held up as an example (no lockdown). UK Govt vilified for not imposing lockdown soon enough and now for relaxing it too soon. All on the BBC. Sweden pop density 25 per sq metre, UK pop density 259 per sq metre, Englan pop density 430 per sq metre. Even large Swedish cities are tiny compared with ours. Totally irrelevant to our situation. Japan, by contrast, have done really well. My brother-in-law lived there for many years and attributes this success to mutual respect.
Sweden is an incredible country.
Woiller- Relic you make good points. I was referring to the Swedish people, not necessarily the Swedish government
@Woiller- Relic If you believe that all countries are showing true numbers of deaths then you're insane.
And it's really none of your business what other people are doing with their lives or health, you are just jealous because people are not afraid.
@Woiller- Relic no one forbids you to lock yourself in a room and never come out again.
@Woiller- Relic I don't hate the government.
Everyone else: "There's a train coming, everybody off the tracks!"
Stockholm: "We're staying where we are."
Bingo
Poverty kills too and if you put everything on hold to optimize low CCPvirus deaths you're going to reap some very unfortunate rewards elsewhere. We can't count on any kill-shot treatment arriving anytime soon. We can't just sit in our bunkers waiting this out because sooner or later we're going to run out of stuff that sustains civilization. You like eating, don't you? We have to keep producing and take sensible protective measures while doing so. 'the economy' isn't just about the index and hedgefunds, it's what keeps everyone alive and healthy.
Hospitals, health system, health workers, weaker immune system folks..... who cares? To hell with them!!!!! Very thoughtful, Vogue43
7:14 the ducks be like "oh sh*t they're filming us, better self isolate"
No tests, no cases
The Swedish have taken the right approach. Look for the information on covid 19 from scientist like Stefano Montanari y Judy Mikovits.
I feel we should have followed Sweden. They have a good work life balance and it’s a very eco friendly country. Swedes are leading the way!
3:06 - 3:08 LOL
I see what you did there xD
This isn't true. I have relatives that live in Stockholm most of Sweden is under lockdown, not as severe as other countries but they are at home, alot of restaurants and cafes are suffering financially. Take everything from the media with a grain of salt. Too much misinformation out there.
It seems that the biggest difference in this instance is that while Swedes respect authorities' advice on distancing (among other things), the respect and trust for authorities in other countries does not exist to an extent where this approach would work. Aside from those considerations, there are a whole host of reasons why comparisons cannot be made at this time: deaths are being counted differently in each country, skewing statistics; economic fallout from lockdowns are not yet measurable; mental health and indeed, other non-viral physical health consequences are unknown; social costs such as relationship and family breakdowns have yet to be fully realised. How anyone can attempt to come to any rational conclusions about whether another country's approach is valid or not is seriously problematic. So long as borders are maintained and travel between areas is restricted, we will have to wait, probably for a year or more, to know how this plays out. Meanwhile, we count ourselves lucky that our family is able to shelter in place at the moment and we pray for all those who cannot or will not do so.
M53 Goldsmith lets take China, Hong Kong or Germany as example: China regime cheats and handles with much violence, Hong Kong Authorities hit and act for China’s advantages, Germany is on the side of money so the government is on the side of WHO and China. All failed states!
@@lotta0219 I don't recall mentioning anything about China, Hong Kong, or Germany. My first point was simply that in my opinion, Sweden can expect a higher level of voluntary compliance than perhaps the UK or US when it comes to government dictums in circumstances such as this.
The US can’t do what Sweden does we have 328.2 million people in this country they have 10.23 million people. Not just that but we have some truly irresponsible people young and old that we are dealing with over here. Think about it trust and faith in our authorities it’s just not here yet. Also the death toll is high among the elderly in Sweden something they didn’t count on. We can’t compare how we deal with virus vs any other country every country is different.
gillian lewis Finally a decent and smart comment. I get insanely frustrated about foreign medias bad reporting about our strategy. We are handling this crisis in a very sustainable way that fits our country and after this is over I’m sure we will have succeeded. About the US I’m very worried, way more risk-factors for things to get really bad. Wish you the best 🙏🏻
You are so right. Glad that Trump does not rule in our country. You should come here and see the reality. Last I heard about this man was that it could be good with disinfectant ???
Rolf Henriksson I heard about the disinfectant thing and then watched the video I thought, is he joking but no he was serious. But thank God for experts who stand up and say no we don’t do things like that.
@@gillianlewis6446 he was sarcastic.. gwad. stop picking up crap jokes as face value just bc its Trump.
Julia Abelle Ok make directions from the president on how to cure yourself.
I really dont understand why sweden is held up as having a better response. Their total numbers are around 35,000 cases, but they are a small population country. On a per million scale, they are in the top 10 for cases and deaths. We have to look at per population numbers to get a better comparison.
Stopped looking when reporter stated... "I've spoken with one doctor...". So tired of reporters refering to hearsay. That's not relevant! It's says nothing...
Sure, one doesn’t “turn patients away from hospitals”...because so many of the sick aren’t allowed to approach the hospitals to be turned away - hence ‘sufficient’ capacity. Number games & musical chairs. The art of perception management
In the UK elderly patients with coronavirus have been returned from hospital to be treated by their care homes. This by the way whilst a new hospital in London was constructed and to all intents and purpose is empty. drmalcolmkendrick.org/ (blog for 21st April, though it's worth reading everything this man says, in my opinion.)
Simon, I’m talking about people calling in and presenting Covid-19 similar symptoms. Much of the triage is taking place far afield from the hospitals. Wait for it, wait for the actual numbers to go public -they will eventually, when the tempo dies down. You might be right per limited anecdotal evidence. I’m referring to aggregate flows and actual ’disponibla’ capacities on a systems level. I’m not claiming people can’t in general visit hospitals. However, people are dying with Covid-19 related symptoms outside of hospitals - or are admitted later than would be optimal from a therapeutic perspective. Or maybe you’re confusing Norway with Sweden?
Simon, you obviously got your rosy anecdotes from a different subset of nurses & docs than these ones (article below) Scurry on over to these heretics Simon and let them know how utterly misguided they are. Perhaps even IVO would appreciate your guidance on these matters.
svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/efter-larm-om-harda-prioriteringar-ivo-granskar-samtliga-sjukhus-i-stockholm
Simon Farre Sorry Simon, sorry that you found yourself necessitated to belittling yourself by engaging in a discussion with a, as you phrased it, ”dimwiited” person-and that I left you with no other option other than to resort to cursing and ad hominems in our exchange. My sincere apologies for precipitating your frustrations. I hope you find harmony again, sooner than later. At least I learned a lot thanks to your generous replies.
Good for Sweden, I feel sure they will be right👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇸🇪🇸🇪
I can't even finish watching this because it makes me cry so much. We have destroyed so many people's lives because people can't do basic math and don't understand economics. We should be mourning for the devastation our idiocy has created for our future rather than the people who have died (which is of course terrible also).
The video should be called "Why isn't Sweden overreacting and behaving hysterically like the rest of us?" They keep talking about this 'huge death toll' what huge death toll?! Even if we weren't all locked up like hamsters here in the UK, there would still only be an extremely tiny proportion of society affected by this virus. Spanish flu this ain't! Entire economies destroyed, record unemployment, domestic and child abuse skyrocketing, as is the level of alcoholism. And for what? Because of the terror of a virus that ends up killing 0.03% of people?! It's absolute lunacy.
John Bowles really are or anyone of u in the medical field dealing with overwhelming hospitals? It’s not same everywhere for Sweden it’s not like UK or US that is very mobile n over crowded... each place has its own severity this idiotic comparison is beyond me...
@@divyasasidharan2960 Here in the UK the hospitals aren't being 'overwhelmed', in fact in a lot of places they have four times their usual bed spaces right now. People with serious health conditions and diseases like cancer aren't getting the treatment they need because they're all too shit scared to go anywhere near a hospital because of this virus hysteria! People are going to look back on this insanity in a few years and wonder what the hell we were all doing, sadly however, by that point, there will already have been thousands of needless deaths across the world. Deaths from disease, poverty and abuse, most of which could have been easily avoided.
What about the issue of reinfection also? A significant amount of people (up to 30%) do not develop sufficient antibodies to stave off a second rebounding (often more severe) instance of covid-19... moreover there are the now well observed issues of permanent damage to vital organs following recovery from infection.
Have the Swedish authorities given these 2 v salient factors enough consideration with respect to their lighter approach? As well as ample consideration for the elderly and vulnerable. Not sure to be honest ....
...also , as was mentioned in the video, why be so hasty Sweden!?..., given the worldwide collaborative effort in our endeavour to combat the virus, the likelihood of an effective more refined clinical treatment emerging (perhaps not a vaccine) was always a reasonable prospect...
From the outset Sweden’s expressed intention was to protect the most vulnerable in society
Surely the inordinately high deaths they’ve experienced thus far compared with that of their neighbours flies in the face of this original mission statement....with the adoption of their herd immunity approach these additional and possibly avoidable fatalities may well be IN VAIN in light of reinfections post recovery, permanent health damage after infection, better clinical treatment on the horizon , as well as any other relevant factors that may surface over time
Deaths per million people:
213 Sweden
36 Norway
32 Finland
70 Denmark
The Swedish strategy doesn't count on herd immunity. It's nice if it happens, but the goal is just to keep infection as low as possible to protect the health care, with the least costly restrictions. Costly not just in economic terms, but in the other health and societal effects you would balance a lock down against.
He acknowledge in the video that they failed in the mission to protect elder care facilities. Those issues are more structural though, with larger facilities, lots of staff, many temp workers. Years of penny pinching have come home to roost.
Norway and Finland are more sparsely populated than Sweden so simple comparison do not apply.
Djprojectus Simple analysis doesn’t apply either then thanks. Denmark’s population density per Km2 for instance is 134pp which is 5.5 times greater than that of Sweden’s at 25pp and yet Sweden’s death rate *per million is still 3 times higher.
@@therealrussellsmyth But how does apply in denser areas? How many denser areas the have? How many immigrants with different cultural behavior they have? In Sweden non natives have 3 times more infections an death,Norway and Denmark dont have the same number of non natives. Yes,there are many many things to take in the consideration not just the fact that all of them are nordic countries.A simple comparison on the premise that all are nordic countries its not enough. Lets wait and see in the next 3 to 4 weeks,maybe more 6weeks, the outcome in all this countries and draw some conclusions.
Djprojectus thanks for your reply
Denmark, like Sweden has 1 city with over a million inhabitants (Copenhagen) and a plethora of smaller cities thereafter..
Moreover their capitals don’t have dissimilar populations (1.2m and 1.5m respectively) despite Denmark having half the population of Sweden... and to reiterate Denmark’s population density per Km2 is 134pp which is 5.5 times greater than that of Sweden’s at 25pp, and yet this is not in any way reflected in the death rate as Sweden’s rate *per million is at least 3 times higher. I did not bring up the topic of population density between Nordic countries by the way.
As well as population density, Somali-swedes/non natives won’t fully account for the disparity in death rates between Sweden and its nearest neighbours either as new non natives (since 2010) account for 10% of the population. The largest number of Swedish victims (40-50%) are from nursing homes. Needless to say nursing home infections do not magically spread from one to the other but rather become contaminated by their workers (who are operating under lenient constraints) bringing the virus directly to the facilities. Minority groups are over-represented though, I fully agree... even more of a reason for clear governmental directives and leads to stem exponential growth curves.
Finland’s death per million figure is 32 compared to Sweden’s 213 despite receiving the 4th highest number of refugees per capita during the 2015 mass migration to Europe. Their government took a very different approach however.
Also, Germany have a massive immigrant population following the European migrant crisis, they probably took this, as well as all other relevant factors pertinent to their unique circumstances into consideration when they devised their response to the covid 19 crisis.
Sweden is a tiny country, people forget that the UK is 7 times larger, herd immunity would crash the NHS. Also the culture is different they are much more disciplined. They have half a lockdown
What? Sweden is way bigger than the UK, The UK is a small tiny overpopulated island and yes, the UK is way more populated, it is way too overpopulated for its size, but no way bigger than Sweden. Lmao.
@@Hershi666 l am not talking about how big the country is why would that matter not really getting your point. l am talking about the population UK is in excess of 67 million . Sweden is 10 million very big difference. If it goes wrong in the UK, NHS will definitely crash. Whereas Sweden could get away with moving away from the norm. Most of the 2000 death have happened in Stockholm where there is minimal social distancing which is interesting. When you multiply 2000 x 7 (making it equivalent to the UK as the UK is approximately 7 times greater in population ( 14,,000 deaths are not great. So the jury is still out on Sweden.
Sweden have a more urbanized population though than the UK, 87% in Sweden, 83% in UK.
@@Tehkenny1 Swedish cities are not nearly as densely populated as UK though. Stockholm only has less than 1 million inhabitants, London almost 9 million. More crowded cities, higher risk of infection.
@@greenknitter London got a density of 5,600, Stockholm 4200 with a population of 1,6 million. So when it comes to density it isn't that much of a difference, and the majority of Swedes lives in cities with populations above 100,000.
To this day:
- Finland and Norway= 200 deaths by COVID-19
- Denmark = 400 deaths by COVID-19
- Sweden = 2,500 deaths by COVID-19...
Different approaches, different number of saved lifes too. Keep trying to play the tough one Sweden, keep trying...
Social distancing is easier with 10 million people compared to 110 million people.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
Lena has not been working in this field the last 30+ years, she is a writer and culture worker...
Yes what is she on about, she seems more worried about her own health
In comparison to say the USA Sweden has more fatalities per capita than the USA. Compare and work it out 2000 in a population of 9 million would mean that 73000 fatalities in the USA. And in neighbouring Finland the number is less than 200. And then try to compare with Germany.
I would indeed not listen to the Swedes here at all.
I guess I was wrong, spamming comment sections. We numba one 🇺🇸, Total death count. But Sweden got us beat, per capita.
Maybe Sweden herd immunity gamble will work out in the long term.
The point is, is it really worth ruining your whole economy from 70,000 deaths. Mainly old and already ill people
2017-18 61000 died of flu in the USA, I guess we should all just hide in our houses for ever then, this is not he black death ffs, or this joker that calls himself a "journalist" wouldn't be poncing around doing interviews, the media are whipping up hysteria, Sweden are taking a rational approach and going on actual data while considering the far more damaging economic impact that will cost even more lives of all ages in the long run.
@@mcorriette1 , The Swedish economy has tanked like elsewhere regardless of their approach to the pandemic, just more deaths than in other Nordic counties and they are not as self assured anymore about their decision.
wish the best for Sweden and the rest of the world this pandemic is not like cold so i will support more care and distancing God bless all of us
Wait? Their cases is still rising and their recovery of infected is slow?
How is this a win?
@K Pencil stop talking man they’ll sue you for hurting their little feelings
Because they didn't tank their economy. A good economy saves exponentially more lives in the long run.
How well do you think the NHS will be funded over the next 10-20 years while we pay off the lockdown debt and its impact on business?
@@aberwood gojol
Because sone people are obsessed with Sweden and think the country is perfect