Yes, man, absolutely more harmonic cross bleeding going on. More chime, too. But, beside the feedback capacity, the tone difference seems fractional. Blind tests are really hard to spot between 335 and LP's, and once you throw on some gain and mix it into a track...Have you see that video on youtube where the guy literally strips a guitar down to strings spread between two work benches and with good pick ups it sounds amazing (well, like an LP or a 335, or a Strat...or what ever the pick ups are ). It just made me feel like I had gone so far up my own arse I couldn't see that I just like the curves of the 335! I have one, a chibson, I love it, I am convinced it is better than any LP but deep down I know I am just in love with the cherry paint and the big curves. I have nightmares that I put PAF's on it and it starts quacking like a Fender. I am in counseling. I'll be okay. A friend of mine told me to take another listen to the guitar tone on the intro to 2 tunes I love: Brown Sugar and You Really Got me Now. I cling to this. My fingernails make their own distorted version of Axel Rose's voice as they scrape down the sides of my uncertainty. But...I'll be okay. But brother, while you play really well, after all of your questioning about the organic possibilities of the hollow body, you then went and soloed out with a really processed sound you could have got from a tin of fecking beans. I am not made for this world. I swear to god.
Lately I have been gigging with an ES-339 which is a bit smaller and lighter than an ESS-335 and more comfortable when seated. What I like about it is it has a bit of an organic sound at higher gain. And it is something nobody is playing around here in the US. Lots of Fender or Fender clones and a few Les Pauls and the PRS SE Models seem quite popular with the Millennials. I like things that are not following the crowd . I have quite few different guitars and right now the ES-339 has been my favorite for the last year. I never have liked Les Pauls, but the ES-339 has a somewhat similar sound but there is something I like about it when you crank it a bit that isn't necessarily feedback but rather it just comes to life. It's great for playing Gary Moore or Santana's Black Magic Woman.
The feedback thing really shines at gig volumes. Using less gain, but a generous amount of volume and a boost can render some godlike fundamental feedback rather than the automatic octave leap that you mostly got here. A Les Paul is a bit of a blunt tool in comparison. There is a level of understanding of the particular instrument (335 style) involved. How your one will react to volume and gain, proximity to your amp, which intervals you can generate in the various locations in a radius around your amp and how your guitar pots are set control the feedback being a controlled fundamental, a harmonic or just random microphonic squealing . A big say is a good way to control feedback as well.
Noel Gallagher talked about this stuff on his appearance on the pedal show. The whole thing was a little weird as he's not really a pedal guy, but he's clearly learnt how to control what you're describing. Worth a watch even if you're not a big Oasis fan.
@@WillWorth Watched that video as well. Very entertaining chap, and very insightful. There is a lot of understanding going on there of how the hollow body works . I do think he's a great songwriter as well .
Many (probably most) of us think of semihollows as "solid through the center". But the top and back of a 335 are not glued directly to the center block, rather, the top is glued to a spongy layer consisting of soft slotted or "kerfed" Spruce that bridges the curved gap between the top and the center block; then the top (with kerfed Spruce) is glued to the side-and-centerblock assembly. So, the top is allowed some freedom to vibrate, placing its resonance "somewhere between", which can be a magical place given the right guitar, room, setup, etc. (Nice exploration of one of those zones! I also like a good semihollow for playing straight-up clean jazz at volumes that are a little too high for a big jazz guitar.) There are makers who have instead shaped the center block (which is far more difficult) so that it could be glued directly to the top. That results in something more akin to a solid-body sound, not something I like in a semihollow.
I think it's because there is a sort of compression and dynamic 'bloom' to the attack part of the envelope of the note, that in a way both delays the delivery of the note, and causes it to surge and push parts of the harmonic series more to the fore. It's like the springboarded whoosh of a closed-back 4X4 seemingly throwing the sound out from deep in the pocket, compared to a highly efficient high headroom driver in an open-backed cabinet. This is hairsplitting degrees of distinction, but some seem to hear it, maybe not consciously, and somehow feel it to be more 3 dimensional, like an amp output after treatment from an impulse response and cab sim, compared to straight onto recording at the desk with no processing. I don't think I could hear the difference in a blind A/B test, but some of us hear more of a brush-stroke in the gained-up sound of humbuckers in a semi hollow- the problem sometimes is that it is too dark, or dull of a signal, but if just right there can be a breathy-ness, an old school dynamic to these types if guitar, especially if thru a warm amp.
I love the Sire guitars. Ive had two H7's but I settled on an Ibanez A113. With gain live it was feeding back perfectly. It reminded me of a bowed instrument. Used my right hand to swell the volume. I want the Sire Les Paul Since Gibson has priced me out. IF I can find one. Great playing as always.
I went through a jazz fusion phase back when Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenour, the Yellowjackets, etc., were all very popular. That tone is what made me want to own a semi-hollow. After all that time, you're one of the first people I've heard articulate what makes it special. You also validated my thoughts about the LP comparison, which I've never had much interest in. Ergonomically, a 335 is just so much more comfortable to play versus the LP, yet you can get a lot of the same sounds from those humbuckers. Another excellent video!
Something about your tone in this one... so good. I think this is a really good guitar for you. Even if it is not feeding back, it's no doubt adding more/ouder harmonics to every note.
Have you tried a Les Paul Florentine? I own 4 of the Epiphone LP Florentines and love them all. Each one in a different finish and some older (2000) and some newer (2016). These are my favorite guitars (and I own 52 guitars at present). I suppose it is a cross between a traditional LP solid body and an ES-335. I have never played a Gibson LP Florentine as they are hard to find (unless one has a lot to spend). I also bought a Fender partscaster with a custom made semi-hollow body, Fender neck, Dimarzio pickups, etc. It is very cool as well. I also own a few hollow body guitars in my collection (Howard Roberts, Joe Pass, Gretsch, Ibanez Artcore, etc.) I own lots of solid bodies, too, but my favorites are the semi-hollows. By the way although I live in Colorado now for most of my life I lived in Vancouver -- where they refer to them as semi-acoustic. I only discovered the term semi-hollow when I moved here (even though I have been playing guitar since 1965). Also I love your playing so I bought your HX Stomp presets. Your technique is even and controlled and yet expressive. Keep up the great work!
@@johnnathancordy Apparently they are not part of either Gibson or Epiphones regular production -- but only are made every few years or as custom shop. The only ones I have actually played in person are the ones I purchased.
Yes absolutely love the ability to control feedback on the 335. It’s like nothing else. My favourite 335 players would include; Larry Carlton, Eric Johnson, early Clapton & Robben Ford, Lee Ritenour, Andy Summers and of course Bonamassa, worth checking out Chris Cain (might be a 345 i’ve seen him with but anyway) Uncle Larry and Guthrie Trapp are often seen with a 335 as is Kirk Fletcher (and probably many more that will come to mind when i press enter)
I know I was one of the people that suggested that the liveliness and the musical feedback were easier to achieve with a 335 vs a LP. But, there is more to a 335 than just it's feedback capabilities. A 335 being constructed with plys of maple and something else (sometimes poplar) seems to provide a warmer but still very articulate tone when compared with a mahagony/maple capped LP. Don't get me wrong, I love my LPs, my SGs, my Teles, etc. But the 335 does have its own characteristics, even thought it CAN live in the same tonal space as a LP if you dial it in that way. Very versatile. Very cool overall. I am 65 years young, and never had a semi hollow until about 10 years ago. At that time, it was an Epiphone Riviera. Then a bit later, an Epiphone ES-335 Pro. And now, I have a Gibson 63 RI ES-335. Really a special instrument.
335 'style' guitarists that come to my mind: early Clapton, BB King, Chuck Berry... Controlling & utilizing a hollow body, you've got to start with Ted Nugent playing his Gibson Byrdland guitars-- Live recordings is where to begin. Caught him in concert several times years ago, and got to watch his stage setup: Fender Twins in a semi-circle, then walk around the stage listening to the feedback from his guitar, mark that spot, then come back to it when ready to use the feedback-- such a kick to watch & hear! As for pickups, check out the PRS DGT (US model) which utilizes partially-potted humbuckers based on Grissom's 50's-something 335 ;)
i've always got a semi for a semi. i just picked up an epiphone es335 trad pro and it's just so much fun. it's also huge and uncomfortable, but it's got more vibe than your mom's sock drawer.
Go listen to Bill Nelson of Be Bop Deluxe . Played a 345 with tons of gain and echo and sounded amazing . Anything from Live In The Air Age and the studio album Futurama , genius player .
Nailed it ❤. This is indeed the thing, having a lot more body to hold onto, and with the cavities these are just fabulously responsive at bearable volumes. It is a glorious feeling playing one fairly near field to low volume monitors or wirelessly without dragging a lead. Try a lower cost Gretsch.
Sounds great! Shocking low price as well. Have you tried mixing a little of that front pickup in? I wonder how it would growl in a medium gain situation.
A semi as also great for Rock eg Soundgarden/Chris Cornell and Post Rock eg God Is An Astronaut depending on the pickups used as some can be woofy. Love my Gretsch Semi Hollow.
The other thing a 335 does that a, Les Paul doesn't do as well is a clean, acoustic-y rhythm sound. Think a louder thicker acoustic sound, J160E-like. 335: over driven rock, acoustic like rhythms, clean but slightly gritty fusion jazz tones (Larry Carlton), plus almost Joe Pass kind of jazz tones. IMHO the only thing a 335 doesn't do very well is a really clean twangy country sound like a Telecaster.. So you probably need to get a Telecaster too. That's a good thing because everybody should have a Telecaster (and probably a Strat), and of course a 335.. A Les Paul? Not necessary IMHO.
Make a Guess, this is the GRAMMATICO for HELIX stomp preset?? See now you are an Electric Guitar player playing the AMP and GUITAR, a match made in: HUMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, man, absolutely more harmonic cross bleeding going on. More chime, too. But, beside the feedback capacity, the tone difference seems fractional. Blind tests are really hard to spot between 335 and LP's, and once you throw on some gain and mix it into a track...Have you see that video on youtube where the guy literally strips a guitar down to strings spread between two work benches and with good pick ups it sounds amazing (well, like an LP or a 335, or a Strat...or what ever the pick ups are ). It just made me feel like I had gone so far up my own arse I couldn't see that I just like the curves of the 335! I have one, a chibson, I love it, I am convinced it is better than any LP but deep down I know I am just in love with the cherry paint and the big curves. I have nightmares that I put PAF's on it and it starts quacking like a Fender. I am in counseling. I'll be okay. A friend of mine told me to take another listen to the guitar tone on the intro to 2 tunes I love: Brown Sugar and You Really Got me Now. I cling to this. My fingernails make their own distorted version of Axel Rose's voice as they scrape down the sides of my uncertainty. But...I'll be okay. But brother, while you play really well, after all of your questioning about the organic possibilities of the hollow body, you then went and soloed out with a really processed sound you could have got from a tin of fecking beans. I am not made for this world. I swear to god.
Lately I have been gigging with an ES-339 which is a bit smaller and lighter than an ESS-335 and more comfortable when seated. What I like about it is it has a bit of an organic sound at higher gain. And it is something nobody is playing around here in the US. Lots of Fender or Fender clones and a few Les Pauls and the PRS SE Models seem quite popular with the Millennials. I like things that are not following the crowd . I have quite few different guitars and right now the ES-339 has been my favorite for the last year. I never have liked Les Pauls, but the ES-339 has a somewhat similar sound but there is something I like about it when you crank it a bit that isn't necessarily feedback but rather it just comes to life. It's great for playing Gary Moore or Santana's Black Magic Woman.
The feedback thing really shines at gig volumes. Using less gain, but a generous amount of volume and a boost can render some godlike fundamental feedback rather than the automatic octave leap that you mostly got here. A Les Paul is a bit of a blunt tool in comparison. There is a level of understanding of the particular instrument (335 style) involved. How your one will react to volume and gain, proximity to your amp, which intervals you can generate in the various locations in a radius around your amp and how your guitar pots are set control the feedback being a controlled fundamental, a harmonic or just random microphonic squealing . A big say is a good way to control feedback as well.
Noel Gallagher talked about this stuff on his appearance on the pedal show. The whole thing was a little weird as he's not really a pedal guy, but he's clearly learnt how to control what you're describing. Worth a watch even if you're not a big Oasis fan.
@@WillWorth Watched that video as well. Very entertaining chap, and very insightful. There is a lot of understanding going on there of how the hollow body works . I do think he's a great songwriter as well .
Barely a minute in and I already love it! Fits you really well (sonically/spiritually) imho…
There is something special about the softer attack of a semi hollow and how it can sit in the mix of a band
Many (probably most) of us think of semihollows as "solid through the center". But the top and back of a 335 are not glued directly to the center block, rather, the top is glued to a spongy layer consisting of soft slotted or "kerfed" Spruce that bridges the curved gap between the top and the center block; then the top (with kerfed Spruce) is glued to the side-and-centerblock assembly. So, the top is allowed some freedom to vibrate, placing its resonance "somewhere between", which can be a magical place given the right guitar, room, setup, etc. (Nice exploration of one of those zones! I also like a good semihollow for playing straight-up clean jazz at volumes that are a little too high for a big jazz guitar.)
There are makers who have instead shaped the center block (which is far more difficult) so that it could be glued directly to the top. That results in something more akin to a solid-body sound, not something I like in a semihollow.
I absolutely my 335. I own a vintage Les Paul that is a wonderful guitar and was for a long time my main guitar. Got the 335 and haven't looked back.
Commenting because the thumbnail is hilarious. I’ll have to watch it later tho. 5 stars already
Love your playing and love my 335 so much 😎
I think it's because there is a sort of compression and dynamic 'bloom' to the attack part of the envelope of the note, that in a way both delays the delivery of the note, and causes it to surge and push parts of the harmonic series more to the fore. It's like the springboarded whoosh of a closed-back 4X4 seemingly throwing the sound out from deep in the pocket, compared to a highly efficient high headroom driver in an open-backed cabinet. This is hairsplitting degrees of distinction, but some seem to hear it, maybe not consciously, and somehow feel it to be more 3 dimensional, like an amp output after treatment from an impulse response and cab sim, compared to straight onto recording at the desk with no processing. I don't think I could hear the difference in a blind A/B test, but some of us hear more of a brush-stroke in the gained-up sound of humbuckers in a semi hollow- the problem sometimes is that it is too dark, or dull of a signal, but if just right there can be a breathy-ness, an old school dynamic to these types if guitar, especially if thru a warm amp.
Love that singing feedback starting the "after jam"...
Yes. I played a 335 and an LP thru the same rig in the 70s and loved the musical feedback of the 335 ......
I love the Sire guitars. Ive had two H7's but I settled on an Ibanez A113. With gain live it was feeding back perfectly. It reminded me of a bowed instrument. Used my right hand to swell the volume.
I want the Sire Les Paul Since Gibson has priced me out. IF I can find one. Great playing as always.
Consulta, cual es más cómoda la sire h7 ó ibanez as113?
I went through a jazz fusion phase back when Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenour, the Yellowjackets, etc., were all very popular. That tone is what made me want to own a semi-hollow. After all that time, you're one of the first people I've heard articulate what makes it special. You also validated my thoughts about the LP comparison, which I've never had much interest in. Ergonomically, a 335 is just so much more comfortable to play versus the LP, yet you can get a lot of the same sounds from those humbuckers. Another excellent video!
Something about your tone in this one... so good. I think this is a really good guitar for you. Even if it is not feeding back, it's no doubt adding more/ouder harmonics to every note.
because humbuckers are superior
I have the H7 and love it.😊
Someone get that man a right angled jack! 😊 Great video as usual John
The things we learn along the way eh ? 👍🏻
Have you tried a Les Paul Florentine? I own 4 of the Epiphone LP Florentines and love them all. Each one in a different finish and some older (2000) and some newer (2016). These are my favorite guitars (and I own 52 guitars at present). I suppose it is a cross between a traditional LP solid body and an ES-335. I have never played a Gibson LP Florentine as they are hard to find (unless one has a lot to spend). I also bought a Fender partscaster with a custom made semi-hollow body, Fender neck, Dimarzio pickups, etc. It is very cool as well. I also own a few hollow body guitars in my collection (Howard Roberts, Joe Pass, Gretsch, Ibanez Artcore, etc.) I own lots of solid bodies, too, but my favorites are the semi-hollows. By the way although I live in Colorado now for most of my life I lived in Vancouver -- where they refer to them as semi-acoustic. I only discovered the term semi-hollow when I moved here (even though I have been playing guitar since 1965). Also I love your playing so I bought your HX Stomp presets. Your technique is even and controlled and yet expressive. Keep up the great work!
I haven't - seem like an interesting one for sure!!!
@@johnnathancordy Apparently they are not part of either Gibson or Epiphones regular production -- but only are made every few years or as custom shop. The only ones I have actually played in person are the ones I purchased.
Bernard Butler from Suede played an ES-335 and incidentally, his purchase was inspired by Johnny Marr's own 12 string ES-335
I don’t personally love a semi, I find it can be a bit awkward actually, especially if you’re wearing shorts or something?
Lol, it took me a second to understand what you were saying cuz I’m an ignorant American
Tuck it up towards belly button but make sure nobody asks you to tuck your shirt
Great video! What pickups would you replace the sire stock ones with?
Yes absolutely love the ability to control feedback on the 335. It’s like nothing else.
My favourite 335 players would include; Larry Carlton, Eric Johnson, early Clapton & Robben Ford, Lee Ritenour, Andy Summers and of course Bonamassa, worth checking out Chris Cain (might be a 345 i’ve seen him with but anyway) Uncle Larry and Guthrie Trapp are often seen with a 335 as is Kirk Fletcher (and probably many more that will come to mind when i press enter)
I know I was one of the people that suggested that the liveliness and the musical feedback were easier to achieve with a 335 vs a LP. But, there is more to a 335 than just it's feedback capabilities. A 335 being constructed with plys of maple and something else (sometimes poplar) seems to provide a warmer but still very articulate tone when compared with a mahagony/maple capped LP. Don't get me wrong, I love my LPs, my SGs, my Teles, etc. But the 335 does have its own characteristics, even thought it CAN live in the same tonal space as a LP if you dial it in that way. Very versatile. Very cool overall. I am 65 years young, and never had a semi hollow until about 10 years ago. At that time, it was an Epiphone Riviera. Then a bit later, an Epiphone ES-335 Pro. And now, I have a Gibson 63 RI ES-335. Really a special instrument.
335 'style' guitarists that come to my mind: early Clapton, BB King, Chuck Berry... Controlling & utilizing a hollow body, you've got to start with Ted Nugent playing his Gibson Byrdland guitars-- Live recordings is where to begin. Caught him in concert several times years ago, and got to watch his stage setup: Fender Twins in a semi-circle, then walk around the stage listening to the feedback from his guitar, mark that spot, then come back to it when ready to use the feedback-- such a kick to watch & hear! As for pickups, check out the PRS DGT (US model) which utilizes partially-potted humbuckers based on Grissom's 50's-something 335 ;)
i've always got a semi for a semi. i just picked up an epiphone es335 trad pro and it's just so much fun. it's also huge and uncomfortable, but it's got more vibe than your mom's sock drawer.
Nice playing. 👍
I love the semi-hollows, I've been using an Ibanez artcore for so long... Thinking about buying the most expensive one now. :D
You should contact Rhett Shull, his favorite guitar is a 335. He has his own channel here on TH-cam and frequently shows up on Rick Beato's channel
Ive a 1997 Ibanez lawsuit model. I've no complaints. 😊
(Bloody heavy though).
Hi John: what kind of strings are you using here? Not flat wound right? Sounds great!!
Of course, John Scofield!
Why, Eric Johnson and his 335 of course.
Listen to the alien love child live and beyond and i think he did those gigs almost entirely with his 335
Go listen to Bill Nelson of Be Bop Deluxe . Played a 345 with tons of gain and echo and sounded amazing . Anything from Live In The Air Age and the studio album Futurama , genius player .
I'm Tony! Thanks for asking 😂
Lovely sounds, JNC. Would love to see your backing track compositional workflow at some point in the future if poss!
th-cam.com/video/IIWapis0Ls8/w-d-xo.html - here you go!
Nailed it ❤. This is indeed the thing, having a lot more body to hold onto, and with the cavities these are just fabulously responsive at bearable volumes. It is a glorious feeling playing one fairly near field to low volume monitors or wirelessly without dragging a lead.
Try a lower cost Gretsch.
Sounds great! Shocking low price as well. Have you tried mixing a little of that front pickup in? I wonder how it would growl in a medium gain situation.
Gorgeous playing! I got a few semis already, but mine don't sound like THAT!! (Have an H7V on the way thanks to you. ;))
Besides the usual 335 suspect you got to have to check out Hedwig Mollestad and her trio 🤯
Would the Headrush presets you have available work on a Headrush Prime? :)
I don't think so to be honest I think there are a few fundamental changes to the unit
Havin a laugh with that thumbnail text mate 😂
Did you keep your H7V as well?
Dunno, my missus didn’t love my semi last night.
Reported for misogyny.
@@mbgmail5911really?
😂😂
For me because it’s easier to play a semi sitting down rather then having a full hollow big body and a les Paul that contort my back 😅
Killer tone.
Great thumbnail 😂
335 has a top end jangle that Les Paul’s don’t have, cuts better through a mix. It’s been the indie bands fav for decades, for this reason.
A semi as also great for Rock eg Soundgarden/Chris Cornell and Post Rock eg God Is An Astronaut depending on the pickups used as some can be woofy. Love my Gretsch Semi Hollow.
I hate LPs and love 335s, they are lighter, livelier, more comfortable for me standing and sitting
The other thing a 335 does that a, Les Paul doesn't do as well is a clean, acoustic-y rhythm sound. Think a louder thicker acoustic sound, J160E-like. 335: over driven rock, acoustic like rhythms, clean but slightly gritty fusion jazz tones (Larry Carlton), plus almost Joe Pass kind of jazz tones. IMHO the only thing a 335 doesn't do very well is a really clean twangy country sound like a Telecaster.. So you probably need to get a Telecaster too. That's a good thing because everybody should have a Telecaster (and probably a Strat), and of course a 335.. A Les Paul? Not necessary IMHO.
John has a K-Line T shirt!!!!!
Make a Guess, this is the GRAMMATICO for HELIX stomp preset?? See now you are an Electric Guitar player playing the AMP and GUITAR, a match made in: HUMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fnar… what, just need then?
Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer a guitar to sound like a GUITAR instead of a beehive locked in a 50 gallon drum.
That's really old fashioned
I would have loved to hear the guitar without all the overdrive.