What would a war between US and EU look like? (Part 1/2)
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This video explores a hypothetical conventional arms war between the whole of EU and the US. Who could do more damage to the other side? And how would that war go? Which territories could be lost and how many troops might perish? All is touched upon and analyzed. In this first part the setup and the war in the Atlantic is the main focus.
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Iran vs Pakistan
China vs south east asia.
Peace not war.
Binkov's Battlegrounds Us Vs Asia continent war , next video please
You said no other countries, but pulling greenland into the conflict would force Canada to pick a side.
Canada has just as much pressencse in green land as the USA.
This would also probably panic Northern Ireland(EU) as it would position them as a staging ground.
Its impossible to think Britian would be able to cope with any of that situation.
They can't afford a war on their shores but if Canada sided with the USA they'd probably have to follow us into a war with Europe again.
Allies: poking Germany with a stick **come on, do your thing**
Damn it have an upvote
Germany is weaker than Italy Poland and France
@@6153_ yeah, so it was in 1920 too. And yet look at what happened 20 years later.
@@billy-the-butcher Yeah comparing that Times is a little bit different i mean Germany is a Pupet state of the Us and France is a nuclear power nobody would allow germany ever to posses Nukes so no Germany lost its great power status
@@billy-the-butcher
In germany the first thing to happen will be demonstrations against the C02 emitted by the millitary^^
US : How do we get to France ?
Belgium : ... Don't look at me !
Underated comment
😂
Germany: I have an idea!
US: *HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM*
Poor Belgium
I like the war room style black/green map in the beginning. It’d be cool if it remained in that style for the whole video!
I see the algorithm found you 4 weeks later as well, even content creators are blessed as well it seems! Thanks for the great videos. :)
I hope the armchair historian makes more squad vs squad videos!
I'd love that aswell
It's looks like DEFCON
@@Jec0218 thought the same thing
UK to Switzerland
UK: So you just sit at the site? Feels weird!
Switzerland: well, you get used to it...
neutrality intesifies
Norway: You guys want any popcorn?
UK to US: Here's what they are up to.
UK to EU: Here's what they are up to.
UK to Everyone: Need guns? Missiles? Signals on the cheap? No? How about some Marmite?
Turkey 🇹🇷: Room for one more?
@@trekkienzl2862 Turkey to Greece Those are some nice islands you got there I think I take those
Final result? Strategic Russian Victory.
And reestablishment of the Soviet Union
@@Jamo_7811
And the reemergence of the Czar.
@@flopsinator5817 A Tsar and the Soviet Union cannot be combined. They are mortal enemies
@@Timbo5000 Not if the whites win...
Mladorossi?
UK: so this is what feels to be neutral
Switzerland: First time
Best comment. Makes the Swiss look like geniuses throughout history lol
They won't be able to save themselves without fighting in ww3.
There's oic, for bomb Switzerland
The Swiss provided funds to the Nazi regime which imo revoked their neutrality and should have resulted in them being bombed or threatened with being bombed to oblivion and end the war early
@@tonycrayford3893 They also did the same to Nato
Being a neutral lanlocked country means still doing business and services for your neighbors.
In most of WW2 Switzerland was sorrounded by the Axis while after the war it is sorrounded by NATO.
A war US vs EU?....
Russia: Wait I make the popcorn..
@Morgan W Rees Covid infested Pangolin or Bat
yes russia will take a easy time and look for the outcome. Vodka sto gramm!
Wouldn't this completely fuck Russia's economy?
@@eldricshadowchaser5454 No it would take some totes. but there is China and India and Africa. so Putins russia will find a lot of chances. the whole Europe and the whole north America are not even a seventh part of the global population. that not even chicken shit. and we only speak the human view, we are only some vertebrates, after only a couple of decades the world will not mis us.
@@eldricshadowchaser5454 Maybe, maybe not. The EU would certainly need to buy a whole lot more Russian oil.
Love the idea of the UK being neutral, inviting the danes and Swiss round for a few pints and drunkenly lobbing a few missiles at France when they aren't looking, just for old times sake
Denmark would not be be neutral in this scenario, they're part of the EU. I think you meant Norway.
@@Hazzelnot94 yeah I somehow always manage to mix the two up
🤣🤣🤣 for old times sake
Can't imagine UK being neutral..... We have yanks based here too
@@paulmarchant9231 Well, you also have a significant European population, not to mention the amount of EU import/export that outnumbers the US by almost six times.
This is essentially a modern battle between the United States and Fortress Europe.
@@LarryLionya what?
@@LarryLionya ????
The US and America is the same thing?
@@LarryLionya Chill dude, this is just hypotetical scenario for fun
@@laboot7447 yeah U never read the name?
@@laboot7447 Spell check sucks sometimes
*Happy China and Russia noises*
I mean happy Russian notices. Taiwan being free benefits Russia not just NATO. China also couldn't take advantage as Asia has set up a military anti-China block. Russia however would be looking at Poland and the countries around Estonia like a kid in a candy shop
@@bruhtime0800 I mean he’s right.
@@adamorick2872 although North Korea and China without full USA sport they could maybe take out South Korea
@@adamorick2872 Nah, there was probably an agreement between China and Russia; China stays out of the Ukraine, and Russia from Taiwan...
USSR Sounds
You could put 20 million EU troops in Ireland and we’d still be exporting food
lol
You really don’t realise just how much food is produced in Ireland
Boy how times have changed
@@Jamo_7811 no, Ireland produced enough food to feed itself three times over in the famine. Of course in those days wheat and beef were too good for us. The food cross the Irish Sea in even greater quantities while millions starved
@@Jamo_7811 Indeed. It's strange how famines always stop happening as soon as Brits leave.
UK: turns out Brexit wasn’t as bad as we thought it was
Don't tell that to Scottish people 😂
@@Cipher_Paul yeah well one of us heard🤣
UK: Turns out we were right to leave the Reich!
@@nicholasalexander4743 ?
We never thought it was bad🇬🇧
They would both lose as once they spent all their navies the Norwegian-British secret pact to conquer the world would be set in motion!
🇳🇴🇬🇧💪
Don't forget Switzerland! We should've KNOWN that was why they stayed quiet for so long! 😆
@@erikjaroy8214
Exactly. When the oil supply runs out, their toblerone-powered tanks would steamroll continental Europe.
I love it!! Bring on the Anglo-Norse empire 🇬🇧🇳🇴⚔⚔
@Nub93 Canadians will conquer EU, and then will apologize with a simple "Sorry". XD
If USD crashes, World will end! :P
We’ll call the new one “Britzerland”
Lol😂..so true
my god I thought of a Yaoi human countryball fanfic when I heard thay
This is so inaccurate, there's no way the US would be able to beat Luxembourg
LUXEMBOURG
LUXEMBOURG
Maldives is the greatest threat to the world lol
Luxembourg has antimatter super weapons 🇱🇺
It's all going well until the Swiss say enough and turn out to be the hidden country like Wakanda...
Doesn’t Luxembourg only have 1500 soldiers?
I'd like to see modern day Russia vs 1989 USSR
Russia would lose,less men but still old soviet technology.
@@houseplant1016 Lol what, that's obvious bullshit
@@HB013b Search it yourself,Russia has 900,000 active men and USSR 5,4 million.Russia has still majority old technology but Putin is starting Modernisation tho.
@@HB013b The Russian failure in Chechnya showed the whole world how inneficient the Russian army is/was.It was assumed it would be handled easy but it was tougher for the army then normal.
@@houseplant1016 Wow, you realize that russian army changed a lot since chechen wars right? Russian army is much better trained and equipped than soviet army. I mean, if you judge modern day capabilities of russian armed forces by their performance in some conflict 25+ years ago, then well, you know nothing, I am afraid.
Glad the relationships between EU and US are so good at the moment. Friendship is always better than war (maybe not as exciting in TH-cam videos though). Especially now that China and Russia become more aggressive.
good, lol.
For the USA, Russia is no threat. China 🇨🇳 is our real competitor
Binkov: What if US vs. EU?
2021: Write that down. WRITE THAT DOWN!!!
Maybe a civil 2 electric boogaloo. This time Europe gets involved.
2020 episode 2, Swedish reckoning edition
Would end very badly for the e.u. without a fully unified fighting force they are rubber ducks in a bath tub inside a us super carrier lol
Switzerland, Iceland, Norway, and the Rest of the world watching: Get the popcorn and the soda!
Then there's Britain right in the thick of it
Iceland doesn't have a military anyways
@@davidlow8104 *[casually brews Tea while watching the US & Continentals throw limp-wristed Naval slaps at eachother]*
Nah iceland totally destroys USA's ass
@@Peter_Turbo4 *sips tea* hmm yes, quite barbaric
Also big point to keep in mind is that, if US and EU relations got to a point where war would be seen as possibility most EU countries would bump up more money to their militaries and try to become more self reliable. Most EU countries have let their armies to become pretty weak, because of US.
Yeah it's kinda dumb I'm American and Europe can't really rely on the US sure they can be very close allies but if anything ever happens in the USA itself the EU has to be ready to take care of itself for example Japan and India are super close allies to the USA and all 3 country's come in the top 5 most powerful country's in the world
It takes years to do that
yeah not like that’s a decade+ project or anything
@@jonathanpfeffer3716yea I know it take years to make naval ships and months to make a few jet or tank. That if you have a large industrial base to which most country’s don’t that take even longer to build.
UK, Norway and Switzerland are just chllin'
We r chillin with popcorn
Nice for the u.k to sit one out for once
You should do a WW2 scenario but with 2021 militaries.
no
yes
It's not a world war when France, Britain, the Dutch, Belgians, and the USA aren't world spanning empires anymore. It would just be a short European conflict where Germany's little military tried to invade Poland and loses with no outside interference required.
German millitary is very weak. Maybe if all militaries could have same numbers like in WW2. But USSR would be overpowered with 20 000 tanks and
21 000 aircraft
Germany attempts to invade France and dies, the end
4:36 In background dutch landing platform dock. I believe Johan de Witt
US: Invaded Ireland
IRA:the cars will sing 🎶Go on home Yankee soldier go on home🎶
🎶come out ye stars and stripes🎶
I mean hey the us soldiers might claim to be 25% Irish but yeah lots of Ira activity.
The US spent nearly two decades fighting insurgencies in territory even harder to fight in.
@@kokofan50 ya idk everyone loves Ireland but car bombs doesn’t beat the US military
@@kokofan50 I have to say, the civilian population were at least semi-compliant in those countries. If they invaded Ireland, I don't think many civs would like them.
Expectations: US vs EU
Reality: Germany invades france and poland anyway
Force of habit...
Germany : try to invade France
France : (despite having bigger and better military in every field) nuke Germany...
Don't forget that UK and US nukes are pointed at Russia, China, Iran and North Korea while French nukes are pointed at the same countries PLUS Germany.
@@DK-ig8zi French nukes are hardly pointed at Germany nowadays... why should they? It’s politically and militarily impossible for Germany to invade France and vice versa. I live on the Franco-German border and we‘re friends now... if the German chancellor or the French president would give the order to invade the neighbor the people would tell them to fuck off and die. If the French want to come over they can do so, they’re always welcome to visit, the border is open
@@maxt9657 I know right... if the German chancellor ordered to invade France the Germans would probably take after French tradition and whip out a guillotine.
@@DK-ig8zi france nuking germany = france nuking itself
Been looking forward to this one for a while.
Ireland - Wait, we're tactically important all of a sudden? Wonders will never cease...
we aren't england... we help our allies 🇪🇺
Auxence Fromont Look at literally all wars in the last 500 years.........
@@alexpopplewell6509 the eu is 70 y/o
@@AuxenceF the EU is twenty years old.
@@gimzod76 i'm counting until the ceca
If the EU actually met their military requirements for nato this video would likely be an entire different story
Although the EU would be stronger than in this video they would still have a slightly smaller economy and therefore would have to spend not just 2%... but MORE than 3.4% (current US % GDP military spending) to even MATCH the US military budget... so even if they met the minimum 2% req they would still be out spent...
@@xdarkhunterx4163 The EU would continue using American military infrastructure. So they might not be able to deploy troops to Africa or Japan, but would outnumber the US in everything else.
There were no budget requirements regarding military spending with NATO. This was only decided on a few years ago, and it was agreed with Obama at the same time that it would go in from 2024, I believe.
@@xdarkhunterx4163 Military budget isnt everything. More budget > less effienct spending of the money.
@@MDP1702
Back in 1949 all signatories of the NATO treaty agreed to spend 2% of their GDP on armament development and production, it is a requirement of membership but after the USSR broke up was never policed and so most NATO members 'forgot' to do it.
Only the USA, UK and France have kept their side of the bargain.
As I was saddened to see the UK not included in the video for obvious reasons - although I suspect in reality we would be, I was curious to know just how much military capability the EU has lost because of the UK leaving. I'd be really interested to see a similar video assuming the UK (and commonwealth?) went to war with the EU
I like how you added French Guiana to the EU. I know it is, but people forget.
En efecto, Mío Cid
You forgot what Germany could do when it is on war economy
Especially when germany,s industries are giant
Of course Manstein made this comment
You forget their modern day problems like a spoiled society of welfare who wont work in a factory when they can blog about their new overlords for the same pay.
@paul Provenzano You forget that there are systems in Germany that can take out ballistic missiles relatively easily. Furthermore, German aircraft, for example, have far better air-air missiles than the Americans, which are of course passed on to alliance partners in the event of war. And the Americans would be doing a lot right now to get the German AAM's technology.
The German submarines are also quite difficult to detect. I refer to an exercise by the Americans and Germans, where the Americans wanted to practice their submarine defense and the Germans suddenly came with the reports that they have just sunk half of your ships.
The problem would still be that a war cannot be won by air strikes alone. Of course they pave the way, but if they are destroyed by European systems before, it would be a lost war. To bring troops to Europe you need the sea route and imagine how many soldiers would die if you would sink the American ships all one after the other. I mean, experiences were already made with this in the First and Second World Wars.
He discarded many strategic keys to give favorable odds to the US from the beginning. He forgot many Europeans are Slavic in the East and even thought they fear Russia's belligerence in the real world, in the fictional scenario the imminent menace are the US, so these countries would flex their diplomacy with Russia which would be directly interested to lend them a hand under the table.
Russia and China have entered the chat.
China is now playing in Spectator mode
Russia is now playing in Spectator mode
Usa has gotten kill streak.
I'm just wondering whether Russia would double team the EU with the US or whether they would join the EU and forge an alliance. My guess is the latter because even though invading the EU might have short term gains for Russia, it also means they'll have the US as their direct neighbour afterwards. And Russia would be next. A powerful ally is more useful for them
@@Timbo5000 they will need to forge with russia because of oil and gas.. if usa dont provide it to eu they are done if eu dont buy gas oil from russia..
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Waited till the uk left to make the video 🙄 I see how it is 😂😂
What? Why wouldn't he be able to do this with the UK as part of the EU?
@@Itachi951000 brexit
U.K. wouldn’t make jack shit difference. America would still wipe the floor with them
@@charles8769 🙄 yeah ok
@@charles8769 yeah, because removing one of the 3 largest military powers in Europe makes no difference
The two superpowers, total alomost 800mil souls together
India and Chaina: pathetic
Having a billion people doesn't really matter if half of them spend their time harvesting rice with their bare hands from flooded rice patches. Development of a countries population is much more important then it's population size. We've seen this in WWII with how far the German military advanced into the soviet Union. The soviet had a massive man advantage, but most of their troops were ill equipped, poorly trained, poorly fed and sometimes only partially armed.
The same thing happend late in the war with the German army on the western front, where American troops outclassed the German forces in every aspect, as german equipment was cought up in the Eastern theatre with garrison troops and outdated equipment being stationed at the western front and Atlantic Wall.
The takeaway here is: Numbers don't matter that much. What matters are the multipliers. How well can the effect of a single unit be amplified by it's equipment, intelligence, strategies, tactics and supplies. A squad of elite infantry could beat a division of militia, as has been seen in some firefights in Afghanistan during the German and Canadian deployments there. The whole is more then the sum of it's parts.
@germantopgametv - Very true. I mean the English subjugated the entire Indian subcontinent with a paltry force. Experience counts in a war too. Say what you want about the US military but they're the only army in the world to have combat experience from its lowest ranking NCOs to its highest ranking officers. You'll have people knock the US for getting bogged down in Afghanistan and Iraq but those people miss the point - the US is involved in police action in those states, not all out combat. The convemtional US military in a straight up fight would roll over just about any combination of forces you can out in its way.
@@dongately2817 They still lost in the middle east and especially in Afghanistan,today's wars are not fought traditionally anymore but the US army didn't learn that yet.
@House Plant - The US hasnt been in any wars in the middle east - Afghanistan and Iraq (the 2nd time around) are occupations, not wars. You could say the US fought in the Middle East for a couple weeks, in Iraq in both 1991 and 2003, Afghanistan doesn't even count, but after that all the US military was trying to do is pacify two populations who didn't wanna be pacified. Thats not war - that's babysitting.
@@dongately2817 They had war against the saddam government.Occupation is after you win a war.
Keep up the high quality work!
UK, Norway, Russia and Switzerland:
Ooh this could be interesting
7:40 You forgot about Airbus A330 MRTT + that Rafale can be refueled by other Rafale. + I guess Russia would happily help EU
Who wins? One Swedish submarine or a dozen American fleet?
1 swedish boi
American fleet
@@randomeastasian347 no
@@Erik-so9gh Yes
Russian Submarine
Gta v OGs know what I meant
Tom Clancy's End War *Intensifies* !
It was indeed supposed to take place in 2020.
fuck yeah
That scenario is really depressing.
Especially the part about the biological weapon.
@@Viguier89 They must've been a year off then
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 while the war between the US and Europe did not happen the game does say that the world is dealing with a global pandemic in 2020
Germany would be like: Round 2
3*
Round 3
and would get absolutely destroyed
@@arthur3185 Germany Military is pretty good just not big enough to. Threaten the USA
@@halo3odst395 thats because when they get a big one, they start occupying everyone around them sooo
Don't forget... A Swedish subs has "sunked" an US aircraft carrier
Wasn‘t this a German sub?
In theory. However the damage required is unrealistic. That said knowing enemy subs exist it would have keep them back while using it's own subs to find swedish subs during battery recharge
Thus US would sink your country before the subs could leave port. ;)
@@Tscharlieh Swed l... You can find it on TH-cam
Problem is we only have like 3 of those
"si quieren venir que vengan, les presentaremos batalla" -Leopoldo Fortunato Galtieri
so excited for the next part
Even the old type 206 german submarines managed to slip into US carrier groups or to sneak at the most modern US attack subs undetected on several occasions in past maritime exercises.
Even more are the new type 212 (214 is NOT a german sub, it is an enlarged model for export) much desired redforce exercise partners for the US navy. They have a very high respect for those tiny boats. ;)
Well Sweden has those subs that sink a whole carrier lol
We leased one and now that will be prevented
Germany and France sunk multiplie aircraft carriers in practice fights, because they cant hear the small electric uboats from France/Germany
@@foty8679 Its true but a war between USA and UE? No way!
And we have our subs and technology that help us spot others too.
@@thefallenlettuce2797 And the Swedish subs still got trough the defensive ring of US subs, destroyers, helicopters and even planes in the exercise I am mentioning!
An issue with the neutrality of the UK. To supply Ireland, the EU would either take a large detour so they don't go into UK waters or traverse through UK waters, which would bring problems. The UK currently also defends Irish airspace, so aerial attacks on Ireland by the US would be trouble for the UK. The fact that not only is Northern Ireland is part of the UK, but is also part of the island of Ireland would be a political and military nightmare for both sides of the conflict and the UK And let's not forget the US troops stationed in Britain. It would be difficult for Britain to remain neutral for an extended period of time. I think towards the end, the UK might act as a broker of peace terms or at least a ceasefire.
The 33 million Irish Americans might have something to say about it also, given that the President elect is one of them (there's is a large Irish lobby in both the Rep and Dem parties). The scenario is about as silly as New Zeland trying to invade Iceland
@@yermanoffthetelly Don't give Binkov any ideas 😂😂😂
@@yermanoffthetelly Irish decent or not. No one in power cares for where they come from just there pockets
@@konanLastchance Yeah...tell that to the Congressional friends of Ireland, not me.
@@yermanoffthetelly no one gives a shit about plastic paddies, they're american.
UK: *EPICLY brexits*
Binkov: yeah Gibraltar is independent now and is in the EU
"HELL IN THE ATLANTIC ?"
(Once again)
The American Navy when they see a Swedish sub going the other way "Where is the torpedo going to hit?!"
UK would have definitely been on USA side
@Aezakmi Delirious The US already has like 320k troops stationed in Europe. It's literally just wait for a few weeks until backup arrives.
@@thyreradim7885
But most of them arnt combat troops. And 320000 Really? Germany Host most and we have just 30 - 40000
@@thyreradim7885 proper delusional guy lol
@@hamsterbacke5962 The US has 70,000 troops permanently stationed in Europe, but we use the bases for transit and usually have 160k+ at any given time.
@Aezakmi Delirious clearly you never learned about WW2
In 1941 UK was the only country left fight Nazi Germany who invaded 90% of Europe at the time
Only countries that weren't invaded by them were Sweden, Finland,USSR, Switzerland Portugal and Spain
Russia and china
“Sets up beach chairs and grabs snacks”
With the UK. Have u not heard of Brexit
@@georgegilkes1058 who hasn’t
There is a novel by Larry Bond titled Cauldron that covers a US versus France/Germany scenario , its a good read.
Good thing is the EU countries don't spend that much on their military so they have potential to build a massive military if they ramp up military spending. I.e. Ireland
Yea in no nukes scenario like this having 100M+ on the population side and having land connections to Asia is massive.
The US would do the same, and they also have a larger GDP than Europe now with brexit so they would still spend more
@@Dan-zc7ut Shame they can only ship 10% of what they produce over here while the EU would have access to all they can produce. It's pointless.
That would collapse the EU quicker than any war. You can't have a war economy and Europe benefits system
@@gimzod76 Are had an opposite effect id US attack alone we are doomed united with a total war pehaps we could win in 7 to 8 years.
eu when uk isn’t there to help anymore
☹️☹️☹️
They propably will or its on the US side or the European side propably European
@@wesseljacobs2201 knowing what we’re like we’ll find some way to get involved
@@ollie6128 propably 😂 but the big question is the US side or European they would go for the US because there long time allies and a big trading partner. But I think the majority would go to the European side because, there naighbouring countries big allies and propably the biggest trading Allie for the uk and I don't think the uk is just gonna sit there and watch all of Europe taken over because then there all alone with the US wish really isn't that ideal I think. But still even with the royal navy combined I don't no they would still be outplayed but 2 more aircraft carriers help very much of course
@Muhammad's sexy Pig well yeah they would help allot in naval support there not the biggest navy like they where but they still got allot of ships, a bit older but there still usable especially the 2 aircraft carriers. But still even if one side wins a big rocket goes boom another goes boom we get one back and everyone lost that's modern warfare for yah🤷♂️
Would be interesting if america offered UK lots of money, aid and territory and at the end uk cleans up
Britain be like can you keep the noise down a bit please ffs we're trying to watch it on TV
Aye man. We need to sit back and watch after fighting a lot of wars with America to make them look high and mighty.
FINALLY! Now can you add the UK to the same faction as the US?
We will adopt Switzerland’s policy of neutrality, unless the Good Friday agreement is preached
If we had UK we would be pretty op with the UK also having a good navy airforce and close proximity to the rest of eu
The idea is basically; Brexit War but with US Backing.
@@Holy_VHS_Tape Exactly, too close! In case of UK and US alliance, scottish will certainly quit UK and the rest of the isle will be quickly take by EU forces before US reinforcement. It would be the first move of EU in a war
@@pierre-victorcatry7690 how ever they could not take the UK because of the same reason the germans couldn't. It would be a stale mate across the water way.
I wonder how much intelligence plays a part in this conflict
I dont think you need to be too smart to fight anymore. Intelcomm doesn't really fight anyway.
@@Sephaos i think they meant espionage
@@sandman5587 I know, I was just making a joke lol
@@Sephaos im a dumbass
Yeah and how the EU does without GPS.
Despite the US advantage and EU being split I do have to mention one thing:
The US has fought almost all its wars with superiority in technology and numbers. The EU on the other hand has been fighting itself and the world for centuries. I wouldnt be surprised that if push comes to shove, the EU could suddenly shove a lot harder than anyone expects.
Agreed, the US has a history of poor strategy, relying too much on technology rather than cunning tactics and teamwork
@@RunPJs I agree with that, but I'm not sure the EU is that capable of cunning tactics and teamwork when working with so many different countries, military doctrines, and disparate training quality.
@@jensboettiger5286 i mean germany during ww2 they had over a million foreign volunteers so the eu should do just fine
I don't think so. Almost our entire population is armed, and trained to use those weapons, and a large chunk of those weapons are military-grade assault weapons
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 No , using a gun as a overweith weekend warrior is not an actual military training.
And for experienced troops Frenchs are no sloutch..
Might be a dumb question but wats stopping the use of nukes solely on military targets, say france nuking a US fleet, is there laws against it ?
The scenario is meant to only compare conventional forces.
@@cathalmurphy4584 then its pointless, just like a "swords only" scenarios
@@missk1697 it's not. Every country knows if you start using nukes you will get double as much back.
because if you nuke a US fleet the US would nuke your capital, but the Russians would get scared and launch nukes at the US so the US would launch all their nukes and the world is over.
Mutually Assured Destruction.
You nuke a US fleet, then America Nukes your entire country.
Italy has a little trick with the Garibaldi carrier, it’s registered as an heli carrier but in realty has also fighter on the deck
Is that so it can go into the Black Sea?
Can you do UK vs Germany or maybe UK vs Russia?
Russia would lose the naval war but Britain doesn’t have the numbers to ever invade Russia so stalemate.
Why focus on what would be a 12 minute fight? Lol
Russia have the stronger millitary but neither would be able to invade each others land both have major advantages in war.... geography
Naval and Air Force would be the only thing relevant in the invasion of Britain and we’d deffo be able to hold off the Russians in that department
@@Normalguy1690 I wouldn’t call loosing your navy a stalemate I’d call it a loss
Can you do the DEFCON style graphics for the future videos? it looks awesome!
-US carrier task force approaching
- HMS Gotland enters chat
uk we need backup...uk ?....are you there ?
we would more likely support the us, but who knows what would actually happen
@@abritishguy7295 Any excuse to invade France lol
@@jamesthompson2065 On point lol
when the UK pulls an Italy and switches sides screaming something about reclaiming Ireland
We only control Northern Ireland (Ulster) and any way no one would touch it because it’s ours. We would probably sell weapons to the EU and take all our forces out of Europe. R Cyprus bases and Northern Ireland will be good viewing platforms.
Me: * clicking on the video to see how the QE class carriers would affect the fight now they’ve got better operating capabilities*
Brexit: *n o*
Brexit or no brexit, Uk is still an EU ally.
@@angeleyes2c absolutely. And long may it stay that way
Eh as a Brit I would side with the US over the EU as I feel more of a kinship with them than I ever have with the European mainland
@@midamulti-tool I am the opposite
@@angeleyes2c and a USA ally
You forgot one the U.S is more experienced at rapid deployments,mobilization, and command & control than most other countries. Most of the the E.U receives their training from the U.S including some of the technologies and applied science.
The European invented modern warfare, they have nothing to learn from the US. The only trainning European do in the US is for carrier landing and it's for one single reason: American have spare carriers for the trainning.
I realise that this scenario is specially set up (US v EU) but ,:
1. Ireland is a neutral country (even when Hitler's Germany was devastating Europe it was neutral).
2. I can't see Ireland being opposed to US.
3. If there was a war US v EU, I would be AMAZED if UK were neutral. Instead the UK would be the US unsinkable aircraft carrier and its base to attack the EU.
4. Maybe in this scenario you have set up, Germany would be offering to provide 5,000 steel helmets to Ireland as protection against US attack...?
UK be like: Imma just brew a cuppa of tea then sit and enjoy watching those ships fighting in the atlantic.
Most likely be a stalemate if UK, NO, CH were on the side of EU.
(CH is Switzerland)
This is just a mind game, don’t take it too seriously...
There is italian aircraft carrier "Trieste" too. It can transport 30 air. It's a new navy.
But Italy hasn't stealth fighters on them,waste...
@@houseplant1016 not much longer
@@mamarchi6111 Really?Has Italy bought stealth fighterr jets ?
@@houseplant1016 yes
@@houseplant1016 Don' overestimate F-35 stealth is effective against old radars...
But E.U radars are fairly hi-tech ...
Must remember that in usa has huge european population. They could do some real damage in factorys etc. But great job again.
EU should make Chad-class submarines to counter the Virgin-class of the US
Bruh
Doesn't make sense to name your submarines after a landlocked country.
“Going after Ireland would be hard”
Not just because of the distance but also because the weather S U C K S some people just didn’t invade them because the weather was that bad
The Vikings invaded
and the British after them
@@TheSkyGuy77 the British are a different story and Vikings don’t really care about weather
Video suggestion: ASEAN VS CHINA 2021
Not being biased, but a clear cut victory would go to the U.S. Military in just about every category. More numerous, better technology, better production as well as completely independent in its military production. If it were an actual war, and doesn’t have a strong orientation towards ethics, it would be completely one sided.
@@EmperorLionflame You do realize the United States military technology far succeeds Europe’s? That’s not even including secret military technology kept from the public. And if ethics were kept aside, the United States could bomb all the UK into oblivion from guided missiles 1500 nautical miles away? You’re literally unmatched in every way, and that’s including nuclear bombs (cause if you include that the war would be over within hours as the EU has surrendered all little nuclear weapons it has). Even the US’s shear numbers would be enough.
Also, US does not have any core systems that rely on Europe, as all essential and major economic trade is outsourced to other countries. Not you. However, EU has a hard reliance on US for many natural resources needed for production
The U.S. would have virtually unopposed control of the Atlantic in 6 months, 1 year max. Now they would take some damage and lose a handful of ships, possibly even a carrier but in the long run it would be a victory.
Even if you control the ocean, you still have to land troops to conquer a country. And it would be impossible for the US
@@solwen facts
Ireland would be strategically important with the UK as a neutral country. The UK acts as an Eastern shield. That means any attack from anywhere but Spain or Portugal would have to go around the UK. So Ireland as a staging area for the invasion of the European mainland makes strategic sense.
About EU problems about spare parts and weapons manufactures we must say that EU alone produce over 50% of global weapons/tanks/planes/ship and US is one of the biggest importer of european weapons and technology (and viceversa).
It will be a problem for both sides, at least during the first months of conflict.
Why Ireland though, wouldn't Spain or Portugal be a more reasonable target given the proximity to the azores and canary islands?
Actually found the uk part funny😂
~ 2:56 I disagree with this point. Because from what I recall the French have historically had a large naval presence regarding their Pacific possessions Namely French Polynesia and New Caledonia. This whole series ignored the potential that Overseas Departments of France hold in this hypothetical war
Can you please make videos about the following scenarios:
-France Greece Cyprus vs Turkey and Northern Cyprus (total war)
-Spain and Ireland vs UK
-Nato Japan India Australia South Korea New Zealand Taiwan vs Russia China Iran Pakistan North Korea Venezuela
-Democratic Republic of Congo vs Central African Republic
-Nigeria vs Egypt
-Nigeria vs Morocco
-Nigeria vs Algeria
-Nigeria vs Lybia
-Nigeria vs Ukraine
-USA vs The world outside of the US
-Russia India Japan vs China
-China vs Australia
- Iran UAE vs Saudi Arabia
-Turkey vs Greece Albania Serbia Romania Croatia Bosnia Slowenia Bulgaria North Macedonia Kosovo Montenegro Hungary Czech Republic Slovakia
-Russia vs Turkey
-Rwanda vs DRC
-Japan vs New Zealand
-Indonesia vs Saudi Arabia
-Italy vs Tunesia and Lybia
-Monaco vs Liberia
Wtf are half of these
Let’s not do any more brother wars lol, I can’t imagine all those Donnellys and Kennedys in the army wanting to attack their ancestral homeland
they already did in 1776
@@djkaibaxter419 Not exactly if they are Irish ...
It's very strange how many comments are about the UK, given the scenario. Living rent free in your head X
Just imagine how would be EU if all of them used the same sistem of germany...
This really is going to need a pre brexit version to see if that tips the balance. After all the UK does 007.
The Royal Navy and Airforce rather shift things, not to mention the UK bases. Plus there's Bermuda and other islands that will complicate things a bit for the US.
Between the 2 QEs and the De Gaulle the EU force would have at least 1 full size carrier available at all times.
@@Joesolo13 well, the UK is not a European nation and thus takes no side in this hypothetical war.
@@gulliverthegullible6667
UK is still geographically/culturally a European nation, just no longer part of the EU, which is just an economic alliance.
@@mickeyg7219 WRONG!...it was just an economic alliance when it was the EEC/EC thats why UK joined, but now the EU is a political alliance taking powers away from Countries, thats why the UK left!
@@bikes02 What if I told you that the political side of the EU is a direct result from the economic union? All politica powers of the EU come forth from the single market. Things like an EU-wide law on the quality standards for food for example (this takes away the ability of individual nations to make their own laws) are a direct result of the economic union and the fact that in a single market you also need the same food standards everywhere. The EEC aleady "took away powers" before the EU and basically did the same. It's just that the EU does it more openly. All their powers derive from the single market. And I say "their" but the EU literally makes laws by all countries sitting together in a room and voting, so it's not really taking powers away to begin with.
Thanks for making this video 🙂.
Please do:
* 🇪🇺 EU vs. 🇨🇳 China
* 🇺🇲 Second American Civil War
* 🇪🇺 EU civil war (Western EU & Scandinavia vs. Eastern European countries)
* 🇦🇺 Second Emu War
* 🇨🇳 China vs. 🇵🇭🇮🇩🇲🇾🇧🇳🇸🇬🇹🇭🇻🇳 ASEAN
* 🇨🇳 China vs. 🇷🇺🇧🇾🇦🇲🇰🇿🇹🇯🇰🇬🇺🇿 CSTO
We chose the right time to Brexit boys.
If we canno't save Europe we will avenge her !
Ho ! And nuke england . Yeah because this French colony has really been annoying for almost 1000 years
@@shadow2000 haha please France hasn't won a significant battle or war against England in a couple thousand years
@@shadow2000 and nuking England won't be the best idea buddy we'll just send a few back
The United Kingdom Actually Has a Bigger Nuclear Arsenal Than France, and It’s Very Rude To Call The UK A “French Colony” Shadow, France never made it to Britain, But Britain Colonised France back in the 1000’s.
@@RealLewis I agree with you, it's not a "French colony". But in reality, the french conquered England. Since then, I think the members of the royal family are Norman's successors
A US civil war would be a more actual topic. Just cut in half and make north vs south and in other scenario east vs west. The foreign bases are split 50/50.
If I am not mistaken, Germany’s navy is in a state of disrepair and if I remember right the majority of their subs are not in an operational status and are falling apart and would not be able to take part in a war scenario like in this video. If I’m wrong do tell me because I’ve not been keeping up to date with naval news in Europe.
From what I could find (I'm by no means an expert on the subject and information is not that widely available (shocker, I know) so this may be only semi accurate):
As far as I'm aware at least 3 of the 6 212 A are operational (maybe more, information is not that recent, at least 1 of the 2 newer ones is back in service and I think they had similar issues (the good old difference between the drawing board and reality)),
2 out of 3 ships of the Sachsen-Class are operational (3rd one is still being repaired after a US missile exploded during test fire (trying to take them out before the war even starts, sneaky ^^))
At least 4 out of the 5 Braunschweig-Class ships are operational (one had to go for repairs in 2018, don't know if those are already done (probably not))
I think all 4 ships of the Brandenburg-Class are operational
1 ship of the Bremen class is operational but is planed to be retired in 2022 (all others already have)
2 ships of the Baden-Württemberg-Class are operational, the other 2 are planned to enter service this year.
(There are more smaller, research and supply ships but I didn't go through them and of course more ships under commission)
Eurocopter Tiger memes
Boy, do these numbers change when the UK isn't involved.
UK is about same strength as France militarily so yes it would be more like a draw
@@BreadWinner330 the only way that France is stronger than us is with numbers in troops and nuclear weapons, our navy and airforce are the best in Europe.
@@Dan-zc7ut
But France built Everything by their own unlike Britain
@@Dan-zc7ut Unlike the UK, France has its own native military industrial complex, which means that they aren't reliant on the USA for parts. That makes them substantially more powerful in any protracted war.
@@Dan-zc7ut until recently you guy's didn't even had an aircraft carrier. The rafale is at least as good as the eurofighter and I might be wrong on the last part but I think in tonnage the french have a bigger navy
I feel like the UK would probably side with the US on this, not stay neutral - and those troops that were pulled out of European bases would be directed to the UK.
I do not think that would be the case. Maybe pressure but the uk would not enter a war where nukes could be involved even if they wouldn't work. Just the thougth they could. Is devastating to Any country. They also don't really have a big army. The french are bigger than Them. And they would be in the middle of the EU with a possible invasion. Or Just bombing. If allies were possible i think the uk would join the EU. IF they cannot be neutral. Greatly increasing their naval strength. And more of less be the binder of the EU. Making the an invasion less possible. And It is also about foreing policy. If the EU loses then they would be in the middle of a centralized warready government. While with European democracy nobody would agree on anything. Thus making Them less able to form a pact against them. Plus. Althoug inderstandable if that wouldn't happen. The Commonwealth could provide support military or economically without (execpt for Canada.) The treath of being invaded. As the us would need to divert troops form the main front. Thus making the offensive a possibility. And exualizing the army and navy power. But the rules said no allies. So This whole rant is not even needed. And that would be correct Just because the possibility (no need to even use It) would deter Any involvement.
@@jensfingerhat5078 The French have more soldiers than the UK - yes, but the UK has the biggest naval power and most advanced ships in Europe, followed by the RAF which has the most advanced planes in Europe - the EU couldn't invade the UK, it's like a fortress, none of the EU nations have the power to mount an invasion into the UK. Also why wouldn't the UK get involved if Nukes are a possibility? the UK has a stockpile of 150 nukes - we can defend ourselves just the same as the EU can on that front - the only nuclear nations in the EU were the UK and France and now the UK has gone and took almost half the nukes.
@@andyw1g386 Russia is the boss in Europe and have around 7.000 to 9.000 warheads.... and Russia will never be neutral in a war between USA and EU for sure.
@@garbancitolentejas486 'The boss in Europe' - they barely have a larger military spending budget than the UK and only have the largest fleet of ships / planes IF they can get them working, considering most of it is Soviet Union Scrap ready for retirement. Russia isn't as tough as it thinks it is - still thinks it's the Soviet Union lmao with its 61 billion military budget and 11th largest economy in the world (THATS SMALLER THAN CANADA LMAO) which theoretically means Canada could spend more on military and build a larger military arsenal than Russia if it wanted to, so could the UK (Who's already at 59 billion military budget and 6th largest economy in the world)
Russia aint shit. You also believe them when they talk about their military power, at all? they can't even hold an election without corruption and lies, let alone be truthful about their capabilities.
@@andyw1g386 Money means nothing....in a total war and the militarization of the Society...what really matter is technology, Demographic and material resources.... who took Berlin, Breslau, Königsberg, Wien, Warszawa, Beograd, Bucarest, Budapest, Praha, Brava? Tallin? Kiev? Minsk? Lvov? Przmysl? No... it was not Canada or Canadians....and not US Army at all....
I don´t believe in Russia or in Britain... I don´t believe in any State.... I only believe what I can see.... and ALWAYS.... when a stupid westerner playing to be a conqueror... invaded Russia ALWAYS.... ALWAYS was annihilated.... Poles in 17th Century... Swedish in 18th Century, French in 19th Century.... Germans in 20th Century...
The British Empire was unable to take a simple Russian City: SEVASTOPOL...Of course, I am going to believe in Canadian army when Canadian army took Moscow, Sain Petersburg, Vladivostock, Oremburg, Kazan.... and I understand You can believe British Army is going to take Russia... i am only going to believe when I can see it with my eyes.. last time British Army didn´t do it very well. in Krym! it is clear the Bank of England´s Pounds were not enough to take GREAT REDAM....
It’s funny how the EU is literally nothing without the uk to fights its battles
Quite Possibly, But Ireland would be Easily Overrun, And The Royal Navy would Defend the Islands for A Long Time.
Unfortunately, the Uk cannot withstand all of The EU at Once.
@Carl Brilliant you guys are under estimating the UK again lol its a global power, bases all over the world. It can attack from all fronts and even defend all fronts. That island is a natural fortress,the last to successfully invade was the normans in 1066 lol ask the 3rd reich how it went for them to try controlling the skies and seas, the air force just stayed at home and waited for the enemy to come to them before picking them off lol and let's be fair we all know the UK would hands down side with the USA and the commonwealth
I feel like France is doing most of the job here
Yeah kinda
well
its not like Germany has a navy that can match the US in any real way
@@TheSkyGuy77 Panzer Game would be a lil different tho
Russia: Hey, we condemn this war....it’s a breach of world peace!.......but do you want some missiles? Only $5 million each!
alternate title suggestion : What would a war between US and France look like? (Part 1/2)
Why tho? In this video I see two Italian carriers and various fregates as well as air force air craf (just an example)...chill with your grandeur
@@lorenzo4408 Yes France do about 30% of the Work ... Not bad ...
But reaslisticaly France had another role deterent... for nuclear war by the US .
A 65 Millions of deaths by French retaliation is efective as deterent.
About 3:24 i think the Finnish F-18 are Carrier Capable but Not sure
Why don't you use the game Defcon for battle map images? It looks a bit like the map in your opening sequence but better.
Don't forget about all us southern men that already have nice size arsenals to help protect our land. We might not take out an entire platoon but we would damn sure make them regret stepping foot on American soil.