Exactly. Imo its the lack of personality and commitment to a project that has led to matches being boring a lot of the time. Its easier to play "tournament football" than developing your own football identity
Football is a profitsble product, unfortunately, not merely a sport. A clubs goal is to be profitable, as reliably as possible. Pep created a blueprint for that, investors seek coaches that apply that, coaches apply that to be hireable. It is the same as in any other realm of reality. Sadly :(
Flick's current Barcelona comes close to being a next step: Positional play with plenty of flair expected when the situation presents. Btw this freedom in attack is something Pep has always wanted.
Pep had it when he was at Barcelona...but the key difference is that most of those players were from la masía. Their whole "how to play" was already there....when Pep went to Bayern and city, he has to made some adjustments to his tactics to compensate not having those players from la masía, so the structure became more rigid in case any player has to be replaced, the play style doesn't suffer too much. All this bs about Pep taking the freedom of players is not that simple. And he is the coach, and anyone in his position will tell you that they are responsible for the team to win, if not...bye, and most of the players remain in the team, regardless of their performance or their "freedom to play". Is not that simple.
@@AmadDread No Pep at Barca was the same as he's been everywhere else Pep just gave Messi the freedom because he's Messi, the rest of his team fell into this rigid tactical structure Other than Messi who else really showed individual brilliance? Sure there are moments but no one else had as much freedom as Messi Henry, one of the greatest premier league players in history, had to fall into Peps structure otherwise he'd get benched Eto and Zlatan were two players Pep eventually offloaded because they didn't fit in Peps structure and played with freedom Yaya Toure had to leave Barca and then when Pep arrived at City, Yaya was relegated to the bench because Yaya was one of the players who played with flair and not strict tactics When he moved no other player had the freedom Messi had because there wasn't a talent like Messi anywhere else Messi being as good as he was forced Pep to give him freedom
People often ask a question - why modern architecture looks so dull and boring? The answer is optimization. When everyone tries to optimize something for cost, efficiency, etc, they will all eventually arrive at a small set of solutions. So, everyone's design ends up looking the same. Apply the same logic to football tactics and you have your answer - optimization.
This's the best analysis of Pep Guardiola philosophy by far. I love it. Regarding the decline in popularity in football. I believe it's not about Pep or the style of football, it's too much football that killing it. You have football all year around, maintaining some sort of Scarcity will be helpful. Also, I miss having larger than life players. Players who breaks the system, dribble through layers of players and saving the team all by himself. Cantona, Zlatan, Ronaldinho... Jack Grealish lost that since joining ManCity. Definitely I'm expecting your next video :D
@@ripitoshaby4576 PEP AND CREATIVITY. I hate the lazy analysis of Pep takes away players' creativity because of the Grealish example. Every manager has brought players that have underperformed and become worse for them. Pep has had many flair individual creative players that scored amazing goals, dribble and created so many moments like KDB, Toure, Sterling, Sane, Mahrez, sterling, Gundo, David Silva, Aguero NOSTALGIA AND AGENDA. Rival fans exaggerate and generalise issues in football are nostalgic about football and pretend everything was perfect in the past and everything is bad now. It happens in all forms of entertainment and sports like music, films, games, sports etc FOOTBALL HAS BALANCE systematic and individualistic . Football is not robotic, boring, too systematic people go too extreme with language. football has a balance between chaos, control, individualism and system. teams control matches during the game and create chaos with individualism when needed e.g KDB, salah, Saka, Neymar, Mbappe, palmer , yamal SUPERSTARS/GOOD PLAYERS. There are still superstars and good players in the sport that are individualistic in the modern era (2015-2025) who create, score, dribble and help the teams win with moments For example mbappe, Lewandowski,Benzema, Suarez, Aguero, Muller, Neymar Cole Palmer, salah, Vini Jr Trent, Saka, Wirtz, Musala, KDB, yamal, sane, oshimen, leao etc PEP AND FOOTBALL NOW IS BORING? That is subjective I love meticulous, thoughtful, controlling, chess-like football. Most rival fans don't watch enough city matches so how will they know? People watch with bias, agendas and hate so they will try and diminish pep ball Pep teams normally score the most amount of goals and create the most chances on average so there is a risk, many moments and goal-scoring actions the fans see when City play. City vs real Madrid, city vs Liverpool etc was amazing entertaining games with pep teams. argentina vs france etc shows football is still entertaining with amazing moments, goals and stories because look at how the crowd and fans react during those games. what do people want ? constant long balls, low blocks, every players constantly trying to dribble and lose the ball and conceding lots of goals like a nba match you need a balance of control and chaos. 3. BENEFIT OF A SYSTEM. mid-table teams have benefited from modern football being more systematic because it can help win or draw against big clubs that only rely too much on constant individualism, counters and long balls without control, thought or systems this has made the sport more competitive, and engaging for teams and fans that support lower reputation clubs A system has helped Brighton grow and become competitive
@@thepurist_good video. I honestly think most people that say pep is boring, destroyed football are rival fans that dislike him and are nostalgic. They have no balance in analyzing pep. Also everyone is nostalgic about everything like films, music and sports etc They pretend everything and football players was perfect in the past without any issues, flaws, etc
The systematization of football led to the killing of an important aspect during player's developement and that is his individual expression of flair. And you can see this in just the numbers of players who can decide games by just shooting a free kick. Right now you have training sessions barely meeting the demands of tactical instructions and physical conditioning. Back in the days talented players would spend their training sessions honing their individual skills, supplementing their flair with other attributes and just playing football for the sake of it. Tactics might have improved the level of football but it definitely killed a very important aspect of it. I hope this evolution get us back to those times by blending in tactics with the importance of flair.
Do you understand what you just wrote? Changing something "singlehandedly" doesn't mean it can't be changed for the worse, like what this video is saying.
@@devanman7920do you understand what I wrote? And like my comment Implied.. he’s changed football in such a way people label it as “ruining football” .. if winning means ruining football then you don’t understand the game. 🤔
@colincolin5696 most people understand that the football product is worse now than it was before. Yes you can win and change the way a game is played and that can make it worse hence why this video exists and people are now saying it. Same thing has happened to basketball now and has happened throughout the history of all sports hence why rules change.
Except he didn't do it singlehandedly. He continued the development of Cruyff's ideas that others had begun. He also had financial backers who were willing to break the rules to let him cycle through £50m to £100m players to get the best players for his system. And while he's been doing it, Don Carlo has been ignoring his ideas and racking up European Cup wins.
I absolutely agree with your last point of individuality. We have been spoiled with Messi and Ronaldo. The likes of Ronaldihno, Iniesta, Xavi, Zidane, Kaka, Neymar, Henry, Zlatan, Lewandoski. All playing in the same age. Now the Balon D’ors are won with very minimum individuality. Lamine is the closest to scrape greatness in modern football at 17. Says alot about talent in today’s game.
Cristiano ruined football. 2013-2018 version of Cristiano aka prime CR7 aka 4 UCL in 5 years was a goal machine nothing else, he didn't care about entertaining the crowd. Now kids want to be that version of Ronaldo, they don't want to be like Dinho, R9 etc like they did in 2000s
@ I never rate him up there. In his “Best season” he got matched by a midfielder. Wasn’t even the best in his national team. They added an even better player in Mbappe to the team and they worsened. Again, a 17 year old in Lamine clears him right now. That says alot.
I say this as a United supporter, but if Pep's ruined football, why don't other managers try and un-ruin it? If Pep's killed originality in tactics, then be original yourself.
@@TheJellitin Sure, but that's not Pep's fault. Pep doesn't control who has what job, or the tactics of other managers. If Manager X feels like he has to copy Pep's style to win, that is not Pep's fault, it is the fault of Manager X for not being tactically inventive enough.
For me Guardiola is not the problem, the problem is whose trying to copy him. Positional game demand some things and one of them is the specific players. It's not every team that have a Kevin De Bruyne, Bernardo and Rodri or in the past Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta. Look at Arsenal when Odegaard don't play, completely predictable. Anyway, this is just one of the problems, but I guess thats one of the most important to observed.
People pay too much attention to the attack/possession part of his football, and not enough attention to what his team does when the ball is not possessed by his team. If we define the intensity of fouling by #fouls/(100%-possession rate), his teams have an extremely high intensity of fouling, which gives the players breath room. Such high intensities of fouling are really what distinguished him from the OG Netherland or Brazil teams who played beautiful games but ended up losing. To me, that's the anti-football part of his system.
Can you provide specific statistics regarding number of fouls by Pep's teams vs other teams? My recollection is that his teams foul LESS often than opponents.
@@macgp44 I typed a long reply, but TH-cam deleted it probably because it had a link in it. You can check the stats for the BAR-ARS Champion League game on 4/6/2010. ESPN has them. In this game, Barcelona fouled 16 times with a possession rate of 68.2% ( vs. Arsenal, 19 fouls, 31.8% possession rate). Using the formula that I listed above, Barca's foul intensity is 50, and Arsenal is barely 28.
Pep's teams mainly commit deliberate obstruction fouls when the opposition is beginning an attack in their own half. It stops the game, allowing his team to retreat and reset and there is little chance the ref will book the offending player.
The Pep situation for me is like this: There is a class, in that class there is a good student, a very very good one academically That student has a book which he really cherishes cause it helps him study All the other students, seeing that model student succeeding decide to go buy the book But no one can match the model student And all the other students blame the book 😂
@@yourashi9082 i understand that but it aint peps fault plus im sure clubs don’t really care about artistic football lol, its the fans that want that and im sure everyone will rather win than watch thier club be fun to watch and do nothing
Lack of superstars in today's football could be attributed to him too. Players are afraid to express themselves, they prefer the safe approach in game. Take a look at how wingers transformed.
That's just so stupid. So because Pep wants his wingers to think before they do stupid things and lose the ball 20 times a game, he's at fault for wingers not taking chances at other clubs? Gtfo
Its because Bielsa wasnt successful enough. wish he was given a chance in a big team. although his playstyle requires high energy so its probably only a big team where he would succeed
@jstos3675 "Bielsa has won nothing in 30yrs" is actually incorrect. But I'm not going to haggle on that. The initial point is he's pretty influential on the modern game. To the point where Pep himself made his acquaintance to get tactical tips here and there. He's also an influence on Poch, and if I'm not mistaken Sampaoli. All the coaches as well as pretty much everybody else that matters nowadays employ the passy-passy footy that we enjoy/hate today.
football matches are more enjoyable nowadays due to most teams playing more positive football, but there arent as exciting moments and highlights. the baseline of enjoyability is higher though imo
most folks are crying cause their team is shit to watch now because their managers think they can just copy pep and his success. brighton dont play anything like pep and theyre fun towatch, newcastle are fun to watch. your tream does not have to play slow possession football to win or be entertaining.
@laurent4819 Nope. I follow Arsenal and Wenger's gameplay was way more fun and exciting than Arteta's despite Wenger's Arsenal getting mostly 3rd/4th for the later half of his tenure. Player individuality and expressiveness is a key criteria for fun and football evolution. A person can do a lot with a ball. It's just physics and mind body creativity. Lool at how Arteta positions Saka who barely moves into the center and hoe Wenger wingers were positionally moving into center or switching up flanks. At the end of the day it's about entertainment and I as a person values my time and desires. So I am going to put my money and attention to something which I find exciting and Arteta's football is not exciting even if he wins the league which I doubt.
Literally Citys games have been voted best games of the season in 2 seasons in a row... Last year City vs Chelsea was the most viewed & voted most entertaining match of the season by fans..... Pep never ruined football it's other teams parking the bus 90minutes against City just waiting to counter .... I hate that most clubs nowadays sit back deeply against city waiting to counter ... Managers have no idea how to attack Pep so they resort to boring tactics & defensive formation!!...
It's not peps fault other managers can't counter his tactics and make a game of it,he is a genius as is Eddie howe one of the few coaches to take man city to the wire and make a game of it, peps football isn't boring, other teams are inept!
Yes pep guardiola has made footballers robots and that they keep doing the same thing,but you become a master,if you keep doing the same thing if it's simple, thats how he makes some the best footballers in the world. Restriction makes creativity
Football has become more tactical and controlled, yes, but atleast most top coaches now approach the game from an attacking perspective. If Pep wasnt so successful it might have been that that defensive football of Conte or Mourinho would be the most popular
His ideas build on Johan Cryuff and Rinus Michels. Did they ruin football? His ideas incorporate efficiency arising from Moneyball and Analytics. Did Billy Beane and Bill James ruin all sports by applying efficiency to sport? The whole point of efficiency is eliminate variability. This is all Pep has done, it is now on all other managers to counter that. The only one who has done so successfully is Jurgen Klopp.
People always bring up Ronaldinho in this conversation about player expression, as an example of how things used to be. But Ronaldinho was a unicorn, for him to represent how things used to be doesn’t make sense to me. I’m pretty new to football so maybe I’m off in making this comment but when people use Ronaldinho or Neymar to show what we’re missing out on because of Pep, it seems like they’re filling in the space of the rest of football with these outlier players
Football isn't exactly quantum physics. After 200 years or so after its inception, it's only natural that players and coaches have discovered the most efficient way to play it.
I despise Pep's tactics a lot. It was and never will be enjoyable for me to watch how any of his teams play. However, people claiming that he ruined football are completely blind to what should really be blamed- everyone else copying him in hopes of success, and then completely failing. There's a common saying in video game development, "Given time, Players will optimize the fun out of any game". Pep optimized football and created a highly effective "meta". And instead of everyone trying to come up with their own highly optimized form of play or a counterplay to said "meta", have decided to become "metaslaves".
I don’t get it. Mastering a strategy to beat a game consistently (always under it’s rules) is ruining it? I mean, the target in a game is to win it. That’s not ruining it That’s genius. Everyone’s just tired of seeing him win. GOAT coach.
Pep didn't ruin football but rather influenced its evolution. Something was bound happen eventually even if Pep was out of the equation and it would have still evolve into this kind of play (positional, passing to keep the ball with quick unexpected attacks. Such changes would fundamentally influenced by how greed football bodies have become. Player find themselves playing way too many games per season, if you keep playing a style that pushes players to cover large spaces you'll just be facing frequent injuries. Yes the downside is that we don't get to see players individual abilities 1v1 but alot have been saved from unecessary injuries.
There was ever only one Ronaldinho and only one Zidane. To say that individuality used to flourish is disingenuous at best. Play style 20 years ago were just as now, about avoiding a loss. And the managers would primarily avoid losing, scoring is usually secondary. Peps ideas and systems makes a pattern that is good for repeatedly scoring as well.
I believe Pep's system/philosophy creates the ideal setting for truly creative players to play at their absolute best. He's always talked about how he leaves the final attacking third up to his players. In that area, he will not tell them what to do. This is where he needs those creative players with skill and flair to break down low block defenses and create something out of nothing.
Pep Ball inhibits talent even as it depends upon one talent: the ability of players to make accurate and quick passes. This does not necessarily lead to goals. To create goals Pep has relied on the uber-talent of Messi and De Bruyne. His system is fragile in that it is too difficult to play with average players, something that Pep is learning this season as his players are aging out. If he just scrapped the system and allowed Haaland, Doku, and Savinho to express themselves, the team would be doing better. At bottom, the entire system is built on Pep's fear of having to defend with defenders. There have been no great central defenders on any of Pep's teams.
Assistance plz: towards the end there is a compilation of possession based teams stringing passes together, the last team in blue, looks japanense if im not mistaken. What team is that??
The bigger reasons is advancement of data analytic technology, and arrival of sovereign fund mega team, both in retrospect, were near unavoidable. Pep wasn't entirely blameless, he's a half-blood prince, part Cruyff, part van Gaal, and the latter part got the better of him as time went by. Had Mou won out the intense rivalry between late 2000's to early 2010's, it would had been much worse.
It's only premier league fans and English people who think Pep has killed football, his tactics and intelligence in football is too much for them to comprehend, for people who are used to kick and run and being behind in football which is proven by the quality of the players they produce they were always going to think it's ruined. England also has to keep the marketing illusion that the PL is the most competitive league and Pep single handedly deems that sentiment ridiculous which fuels more concerns and makes them run out of their unlimited excuses which they never seemingly run out of
The English have an insane inferiority complex They created the game but have pitiful success in it when compared to the Italians, Spanish, Argentinians, Germans, and Brazilians So they have to claim that a Spanish coach who's run roughshod over the league is "ruining football"
"You need a high IQ to understand Pep's tactics" oh come on. Even if we follow that reasoning, you may fool english but not everyone around the globe which may find the PL fun to watch but is not the best.
It's funny because in Brazil and Argentina if you don't play a good looking brand of football with lots of passes and dribbles and aggressive pressing you get boo-ed like hell. And we don't even feel envious of any foreign coach out there at least here in Argentina because we know we had our own coaches who also set the bar up high in their own ways. The most blatant example is Menotti who had the same tactics of Runi Michels and even won the 1978 world cup that way but he developed watching hockey and learning from other sports.
I also feel something is lost here in terms of other coaches who also influenced the game. Jurgen Klopp, Ralf Ragnick and more importantly... Wolgang Frank (Klopps mentor). The 2010s German teams. Before, matches were lots of times played with a jogging defense instead of active pressing and closing down of spaces and even if these concepts existed they weren't applied universally in all teams as it is today, teams weren't using to that level of intensity and so many teams with sometimes better players with the ball lacked the physical element in the game to run for 90 minutes. Anyone here remembers how when Bayern won the Champions league against Dortmund everyone was talking about the dead of positional play? I do remember it. And to be honest I prefer to watch today's defenses much more than older ones since I just like the energetic and double press from both front and below pockets brand of defense modern teams have but that's a personal preference. And you can see how a team just lacks when there's no organizational pressing nor high quality defense.
He didn’t ruin football. The coaches who aren’t as creative and piggy back off his ideas ruined football Although he does ruin creative players. The whole robot thing I agree with
Doesn’t help that English football suffers from a loser victim mentality. We always portray better run clubs, coaches and teams as “ruining football” to compensate for our clubs’ inability to compete and do better. There’s a reason England hasn’t won an international trophy in 60 years 😂
exactly. people criticize a poor guy for 'ruining' football. dude only brought his advanced-philosophy in tactics of football but nope, that's called 'ruining' football. and not blaming the ones who are trying to copy him. he is the most smartest managers [with cruyff] that i think football ever saw. his philosophy and tactical knowledge is absolute unbelievable. that's why pep has the best teams going around him and he makes it out of them like barca, man city, bayern. he made football so advanced that if u even got the bottom team of the PL to play in the UCL and PL in 2000's era, they would have easily won it. that's how much advanced football has become, which is good, since it is improving its quality. people say there's no enjoyment but forget that now there is actual competition nowadays and not every team needs worldclass players to have success. today, the managers, formations, systems, tactics, chemistry all matter. which makes it better. football progressively got harder and harder and in the end, we're seeing real competition b/w teams. you have real hard teams like bayern, madrid, man city, barcelona, leverkusen, inter in UCL. kompany is proving everyone wrong, pep is suffering but can still have major comeback, hansi flick is cooking, alonso is just unbelievable at this rate, inzaghi is very underrated. so many worldclass managers in so many different powerhouse teams. that's what u want. a real competition b/w real teams.
@LFC_fan7 english fans are like that. they banter, and have one of the most outrageous opinions in football that italians, germans, brazilians for 100th time cries out laughing after hearing. english fans always pressurize everyone. for them, 2 EURO Finals is bad from a manager. for them, a Q/F In world cup is bad even though their team lost in group stages only before that manager came. this is why, never come to PL because the amount of PR and media that will go against you [if ur do not meet their favourable requirements which is almost impossible to fulfill anyway] is just unbelievable. poor saka is still criticized for 2021 euros penalty whereas italians have LONG Time ago forgave baggio for his penalty. italians NEVER criticized that dude for missing a pen as much as english fans do to saka. even though, saka redeemed himself as a worldclass talent and has a good potential STILL media and PR always runs after him if he drops a disaster-class. that's how much harsh the english media is. not shocked that the last time england won a trophy was in 1966 where there was no such thing as PR or any biased media. just pure fans and newspaper and radios flowing around the time and peace spreading in the football community.
A Liverpool fan with common sense. Huh. Banter aside it's true. Look at Arteta and Arsenal. I don't get it tbh, I though Klopp showed you can play a different style and still be successful. This narrative people are running is just lazy imo.
you should breakdown how this type of robotic football-school slay a natural artistic magnum opus of juan román riquelme on the next video, this type of football-school ruined beauty - on a serious term and implication... humanity
He did not ruin football! If that were the case he would have won more than the 2 Champion League's trophies he won with his style of play. He definitely made it boring and predictable but thats about it. I looked at the past Ch.League winners and variety of style is what we see in the past winners: 2024 - Real Madrid under Ancelotti played an incredibly adaptive style of play with maximum freedom for their best players to capitalize any chances; 2023 - Man City under Pep played their standard positional and passing style; 2022 - Real Madrid under Ancelotti - solid defense, great goalkeeping and capitalized on opponents mistakes. 2021 - Chelsea under Tuchel - 3 at the back as a solid defense and quick counter-attacks.. 2020 - Bayern under Flick - Aggressive pressing and versatile attacking options. Remember that Barca game? 2019 - Liverpool - Klopp and Rock and Roll! High-intensity pressing and rapid offensive transitions. As you can see, even if his style is heavy popularized by the media and the rest of the commentators, is absoluty no recipe to success and found some success only with his few apprentices like Arteta. But what did Arteta win? So yeah ...
I also feel like people who say the game now is "boring" don't know much about tactics. They can watch a goal a million times on repeat and never identify why the heck the goal happened who committed mistakes, who didn't, who capitalized into those.
@@mariadanielalavia8877 And let's talk about how people consume football completely differently. There's more and more football games and competitions, people have less attention span, the new generations dont watch the entire game they want the highlights, the viral moments of the game on social media etc...
The rabbit hole of why there is less individuality is due to youth players are now part of the business model. Methodologies have become not just what a manager/coach believes, but a business model. And if you’re in the business to make money, you can’t have players who have “too much” individuality. They need to become more efficient.
Pep’s football to me is beautiful, look at Barca golden days. The non-stop cat and mouse game of tactics that led to the current systematic, no flair football is what ruined it (pep ofc had a hand in this). Altho recently we started to see the magic coming back again, since all teams know how to counter each other, the player themselves are stepping up again.
Somewhat true for some years, tactically. Overall though its not a lasting change that will remain forever. He himself adapts and changes. The football 20 years from now wont be as it is now.
He alone didn’t ruin but his nemesis Mourinho I said years ago. Pep turned players into Robots except for couple of brilliant players like Messi. Mourinho also destroyed football because he made ok for big teams to park the bus. Even small teams never really parked the bus before him. That’s why you used to hear the term “they’re shutting up shop” around the 75th minute of the match.
But the problem is when you are out of possession and the opposition attack you with speed, all the theory goes out of the window, you just do not have the time to think and organise.
Bad comparisons because neither Ancelotti or Zidane inspire any other coaches to play like them. They are completely irrelevant when it comes to influence while every top coach nowadays is trying to play like Pep
Pep is just managing his way Even if we pretend that this is ruining football, that's not Pep's fault You don't have to manage like Pep, managers are just choosing to do so
If we had the modern media ecosystem in the late 80's to early 90's, I'm sure we would have had people talking about how Arrigo Sacchi ruined the game as well.
Tactics have become more important over individual qualities but I don’t believe Pep is the sole reason people are ignoring the increase of fixtures thanks to FIFA and UEFAs greed
The point u made about guardiola stripping players of their individual couldn’t be more wrong imo. People always say this and when I ask them to cite an example, it’s always the same player. Grealish. If pep strips players of individuality, why did it only apply to grealish. Why not sterling, sane, Mahrez, Bernardo, kdb, doku, savinho, robben, Ribery etc. all these players still express themselves very well. People try to make the exception the rule, but if u examine the situation well, u will find that there’s only one culprit and its not guardiola.
Honestly, Pep Guardiola and Manchester City made the Premier League better imo. Like look at this season, the competition is extraordinarily high and the berths for the European Cups are a riot. Its more exciting to watch the PL this season. And thats because of the innovation Pep bought to the table.
Really liked the video, but I think it is stupid to blame pep for ruinig individuality while looking at what Messi did under his system. Messi, probably the most invdidualy gifted player of all time, had peaked under this system. I think the lack of individual qualities come from the players themselves and the way they are trained as children. Today coaches for both young and professional players gives a lot of importance to physical work and gymnastics (mbappe is a great example of it). Unlike players like ronaldinho who mainly touched the ball from childhood until their last day as a professional. I think the reason for this is the major increase in the amount of games a player is playing in a season in the last dacade or two, and I think it also something worth to explore. Great job again, you are the best tactical analyst in youtube!
Guardiola Is amazing and he did ruin football but it is not his fault. His ideas are very entertaining no one called the sextuple Barca a boring team. The problem is that the coaches all think they are pep without understanding his philosophy so we see loads of coaches that think that 80% possession is Guardiola esque
The man who tried to get the ball to his winger to be in a 1v1 situation with a full back to show their individuality destroyed the game. Yeah sure. 😂.
The man who stopped football players from tackling, heading, dribbling, running into the channels, taking long shots because he could not do it himself.
@@sylvainmirouf4683 I see man city players do all of those things and more in every single game. You need to watch more of his team before hating on him... And it's ok if you hate him. Just don't try to mask it by some made up excuses like "He made them not run into channels". Admit you're a hater and accept who you are! It's ok...
90% of them wasen't born. We older fans are still here, but we don't make as much noice online as them. So narratives comes to life and they live through these banter fans who supports washed teams, and their only happiness in life is to hate on successful people and teams. Its sad
It got nothing to do with Guardiola. Its because the lack of resistance in todays football. Rules were changed to favour attackers while defender got handicaped. If defender r restricted and its easy for attacker to do scorer, of course coaches will want to go the fastest and most efficient way to win matches. And thats to simply run or pass past the defender directly to the goal. Without resistance, without defender which r allowed to tackle there is no creativity or skill needed. Even Positions disappeared because it got too soft. For instance the offside rule got changed in 1990 in order to favour attackers because defense was too strong. 2 years later cryuff came up with tiki taka which didnt work under the old offside rule. So he exploited the weakness in resistance. The same did Guardiola with barca. Defender today only can intercept passes, block or kick the ball away. Tacklings r almost non existent and mostly lead to cards. U see 11 men defending today and teams still concede as many goals as in the 60s. 1 defender of the 80s or 90s could do for what u need 3 today. Guardiola is just the Symptom, the Source is the fifa which wanted more goals to happen.
exactly. these are his ideals. why blame him because everyone copies him and no 1 can create their own identity or system? they copy him to acquire his level of success. blame the carbon copies that pop up and the need for job security as a coach. Yes his system is origin and it might diminish certain individual attributes of players, but why does your team coach need to follow his tactics? No 1 is holding them hostage to his tactics
I wouldn't say ruined, but he has removed some of the fun from it. Imagine telling someone like Eden Hazard or Cole Palmer that they could only stick to one area on the pitch?
It is certainly over the top to claim that he ruined football. Such a claim might be somewhat reasonable if fewer and fewer people would watch his teams' matches but that's not the case. He also didn't kill individuality but to me it is quite obvious that he has problems with players who have their own opinion and speak their mind. No other manager would have kicked out players like Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Ibrahimovic and Touré from Barcelona. He also kicked out Schweinsteiger from Bayern and under his reign Mario Goetze didn't flourish but became a worse player, not allowed to play to his biggest strength which was his unpredictablility. Guardiola doesn't like things to be unpredictable, he wants everthing under control. So as long as that works, everything is fine. But as soon as it doesn't work, he almost never has a plan B. His players then struggle to adapt and to make own decisions on the pitch. It could be seen in numerous CL semifinals. The only time I saw him adapt his tactics was in the 2015 CL semifinal Barcelona vs. Bayern when he switched from three defenders to four but at that time it was already too late. Guardiola surely is a very good manager, especially if you want to win league titles. Except for the current season his teams almost never drop points against supposedly weaker teams. They are very consistent and hard to surpass over a season. But in cup competitions, especially Champions League, in which you sooner or later have to play against an equally strong opponent in a one off game or in two legs he often struggles. Other teams' managers do not try to eliminate individuality and players' decision making as Guardiola does but play to their strength. And this often gives them the decisive edge.
Yes and no. His structures are brilliant, a lot of the ideas he has are unreal. His issue is that he is too slow. Not enough excitement, too boring. Look at how some other Structuralist Managers play, Bielsa, Ange, Xabi Alonso, they have Structure, but their teams are a lot quicker going forward and want a lot more craziness. A lot more fun to watch.
Funny enough the NBA has the same issue with people complaining about how the game is played today. This leads me to the conclusion of complainers. Yep, some folks are never happy with anything.
@@dillegitante that's more than guys like Potter or De Zerbi had done tbf. Brighton always plays to win 4-3 each game and that's how they lose most games.
They talk like guardiola came in with a gun, pointed it other coaches heads and forced them to adopt his style. All he did was win, so others decided to try what he was doing. What's more confusing is...this so called "guardiola style" wasn't actually one style because it is evolved many times.
You can try to twist things but it's simple, Pep discourages flair and individualism at Barcelona Messi was an exception cause he's Messi. Because he has been so successful I'm usually shocked when people think that's impressive cause Barcelona with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Bayern with basically the 2014 WC Team with no competition and Man City a club with limitless funds and exceptional lawyers how was he gonna fail? I mean Pellegrini won the Premier League with Man City 😂. Back to my the point, i don't think other Leagues copy Pep at all because the Premier League was so behind tactically when Pep and Klopp came with their modern tactics it was like the invention of bread and butter to them. Now they see no other way of playing football and everyone is copying him from Top to grass roots football but go to Spain or Germany, people don't care about how Pep plays.
Pep didn't ruin football but if he gives him wingers for take ons then it's more entertaining to watch. His system is rigid but it never fails against any teams.
Crazy to me a guy who has won one champions league with a budget the size of a mid sized countries GDP and people glaze him hard enough to say he ruined football
Stupidity, by human nature we all copy the successful. Pep has his way so other people can find their way but the don't. So people being captivated by his way is not his fault. Its the fault of the others for not coming with their way. As much as I am not a Mourinho fan but I can respect the fact that he stood by his own way. So this claim Pep ruin football lacks any intellectual substance.
Very much bullshit about players became robots , the postional structure makes it possible in the first place for offensive players to shine against modern organised defenses . Before Guardiola teams would only defensively organize , play 3 dms and wait for the opponent to make mistakes . Guardiola made it possible that modern teams field up to 5 offensive players , a rarity before him . Just watch some old mourinho team clips from his time at Chelsea or earlier , this was basically top level football , deep defensive blocks and waiting for mistakes , 0 creativity or offensive inspiration. Guardiola changed all of that and now most top level teams play offensive football with multiple attackers all thanks to him
Everyone makes claims that Pep ruined football. But no one comes up with their ideas and sets up their style of playing. Why copy him
Exactly! Spot on! The copycats are the ones that ruined the game.
Exactly. Imo its the lack of personality and commitment to a project that has led to matches being boring a lot of the time.
Its easier to play "tournament football" than developing your own football identity
Giampiero Gasperini, Jürgen Klopp, Fernando Diniz, Hansi Flick...
Football is a profitsble product, unfortunately, not merely a sport. A clubs goal is to be profitable, as reliably as possible. Pep created a blueprint for that, investors seek coaches that apply that, coaches apply that to be hireable. It is the same as in any other realm of reality. Sadly :(
@teomate14s those are the ones that didn't complain and I like their idea of playing.
Flick's current Barcelona comes close to being a next step: Positional play with plenty of flair expected when the situation presents. Btw this freedom in attack is something Pep has always wanted.
Pep had it when he was at Barcelona...but the key difference is that most of those players were from la masía. Their whole "how to play" was already there....when Pep went to Bayern and city, he has to made some adjustments to his tactics to compensate not having those players from la masía, so the structure became more rigid in case any player has to be replaced, the play style doesn't suffer too much.
All this bs about Pep taking the freedom of players is not that simple. And he is the coach, and anyone in his position will tell you that they are responsible for the team to win, if not...bye, and most of the players remain in the team, regardless of their performance or their "freedom to play". Is not that simple.
Agreed. Pretty much what I was saying, but with more words
@@karlos777xNo at Barcelona he had Messi so he had to compromise when he left he never compromised cause there's only one Messi.
@@AmadDread No
Pep at Barca was the same as he's been everywhere else
Pep just gave Messi the freedom because he's Messi, the rest of his team fell into this rigid tactical structure
Other than Messi who else really showed individual brilliance? Sure there are moments but no one else had as much freedom as Messi
Henry, one of the greatest premier league players in history, had to fall into Peps structure otherwise he'd get benched
Eto and Zlatan were two players Pep eventually offloaded because they didn't fit in Peps structure and played with freedom
Yaya Toure had to leave Barca and then when Pep arrived at City, Yaya was relegated to the bench because Yaya was one of the players who played with flair and not strict tactics
When he moved no other player had the freedom Messi had because there wasn't a talent like Messi anywhere else
Messi being as good as he was forced Pep to give him freedom
Ronaldihno.
People often ask a question - why modern architecture looks so dull and boring? The answer is optimization. When everyone tries to optimize something for cost, efficiency, etc, they will all eventually arrive at a small set of solutions. So, everyone's design ends up looking the same.
Apply the same logic to football tactics and you have your answer - optimization.
This is one of the best explanations I have read on these comments. It’s a natural part of life.
wow
data analytics ruined football. I totally agree with your take.
optimization, what a capitalistic word ever
No risk, no reward, this is exactly the problem. That's the same with branding, with basketball and the NBA for example
This's the best analysis of Pep Guardiola philosophy by far. I love it.
Regarding the decline in popularity in football. I believe it's not about Pep or the style of football, it's too much football that killing it. You have football all year around, maintaining some sort of Scarcity will be helpful. Also, I miss having larger than life players. Players who breaks the system, dribble through layers of players and saving the team all by himself. Cantona, Zlatan, Ronaldinho... Jack Grealish lost that since joining ManCity.
Definitely I'm expecting your next video :D
Pep killed Grealish (although i don't see him complaining).
I do agree there is too much football. But I’m really looking forward to looking at the second part. I’m glad you enjoyed :)
@@ripitoshaby4576
PEP AND CREATIVITY. I hate the lazy analysis of Pep takes away players' creativity because of the Grealish example.
Every manager has brought players that have underperformed and become worse for them.
Pep has had many flair individual creative players that scored amazing goals, dribble and created so many moments like KDB, Toure, Sterling, Sane, Mahrez, sterling, Gundo, David Silva, Aguero
NOSTALGIA AND AGENDA. Rival fans exaggerate and generalise issues in football are nostalgic about football and pretend everything was perfect in the past and everything is bad now. It happens in all forms of entertainment and sports like music, films, games, sports etc
FOOTBALL HAS BALANCE systematic and individualistic . Football is not robotic, boring, too systematic people go too extreme with language.
football has a balance between chaos, control, individualism and system.
teams control matches during the game and create chaos with individualism when needed e.g KDB, salah, Saka, Neymar, Mbappe, palmer , yamal
SUPERSTARS/GOOD PLAYERS. There are still superstars and good players in the sport that are individualistic in the modern era (2015-2025) who create, score, dribble and help the teams win with moments For example
mbappe, Lewandowski,Benzema, Suarez, Aguero, Muller, Neymar
Cole Palmer, salah, Vini Jr Trent, Saka, Wirtz, Musala, KDB, yamal, sane, oshimen, leao etc
PEP AND FOOTBALL NOW IS BORING? That is subjective I love meticulous, thoughtful, controlling, chess-like football.
Most rival fans don't watch enough city matches so how will they know? People watch with bias, agendas and hate so they will try and diminish pep ball
Pep teams normally score the most amount of goals and create the most chances on average so there is a risk, many moments and goal-scoring actions the fans see when City play.
City vs real Madrid, city vs Liverpool etc was amazing entertaining games with pep teams.
argentina vs france etc shows football is still entertaining with amazing moments, goals and stories because look at how the crowd and fans react during those games.
what do people want ? constant long balls, low blocks, every players constantly trying to dribble and lose the ball and conceding lots of goals like a nba match
you need a balance of control and chaos.
3. BENEFIT OF A SYSTEM. mid-table teams have benefited from modern football being more systematic because it can help win or draw against big clubs that only rely too much on constant individualism, counters and long balls without control, thought or systems
this has made the sport more competitive, and engaging for teams and fans that support lower reputation clubs
A system has helped Brighton grow and become competitive
@@thepurist_good video. I honestly think most people that say pep is boring, destroyed football are rival fans that dislike him and are nostalgic.
They have no balance in analyzing pep.
Also everyone is nostalgic about everything like films, music and sports etc
They pretend everything and football players was perfect in the past without any issues, flaws, etc
The systematization of football led to the killing of an important aspect during player's developement and that is his individual expression of flair. And you can see this in just the numbers of players who can decide games by just shooting a free kick.
Right now you have training sessions barely meeting the demands of tactical instructions and physical conditioning. Back in the days talented players would spend their training sessions honing their individual skills, supplementing their flair with other attributes and just playing football for the sake of it.
Tactics might have improved the level of football but it definitely killed a very important aspect of it. I hope this evolution get us back to those times by blending in tactics with the importance of flair.
If it wasn’t Pep then it would have been someone else. Just natural evolution of tactics.
Not evolution. Football, like the ball, run in circles (cycles).
but it wasn't though
The fact he’s singlehandedly changed football so drastically that it’s labelled as ruining football is hilarious. 😅
Do you understand what you just wrote? Changing something "singlehandedly" doesn't mean it can't be changed for the worse, like what this video is saying.
@@devanman7920do you understand what I wrote? And like my comment Implied.. he’s changed football in such a way people label it as “ruining football” .. if winning means ruining football then you don’t understand the game. 🤔
@colincolin5696 most people understand that the football product is worse now than it was before. Yes you can win and change the way a game is played and that can make it worse hence why this video exists and people are now saying it. Same thing has happened to basketball now and has happened throughout the history of all sports hence why rules change.
@@devanman7920 you are talking to an idi 0t just ignore him and move on. His only argument is "lol"
Except he didn't do it singlehandedly. He continued the development of Cruyff's ideas that others had begun. He also had financial backers who were willing to break the rules to let him cycle through £50m to £100m players to get the best players for his system. And while he's been doing it, Don Carlo has been ignoring his ideas and racking up European Cup wins.
I absolutely agree with your last point of individuality. We have been spoiled with Messi and Ronaldo. The likes of Ronaldihno, Iniesta, Xavi, Zidane, Kaka, Neymar, Henry, Zlatan, Lewandoski. All playing in the same age. Now the Balon D’ors are won with very minimum individuality. Lamine is the closest to scrape greatness in modern football at 17. Says alot about talent in today’s game.
It really doesn't.
Cristiano ruined football. 2013-2018 version of Cristiano aka prime CR7 aka 4 UCL in 5 years was a goal machine nothing else, he didn't care about entertaining the crowd. Now kids want to be that version of Ronaldo, they don't want to be like Dinho, R9 etc like they did in 2000s
Vini Jr?!
@ I never rate him up there. In his “Best season” he got matched by a midfielder. Wasn’t even the best in his national team. They added an even better player in Mbappe to the team and they worsened. Again, a 17 year old in Lamine clears him right now. That says alot.
@@imerick6781 Lol. Applying the same logic, Yamal isn't even the best in his own team, Raphinha clears him right now 🤣
I say this as a United supporter, but if Pep's ruined football, why don't other managers try and un-ruin it? If Pep's killed originality in tactics, then be original yourself.
Most coaches don't have the cachet to do something different if it doesn't deliver results right away.
@@TheJellitin Sure, but that's not Pep's fault. Pep doesn't control who has what job, or the tactics of other managers. If Manager X feels like he has to copy Pep's style to win, that is not Pep's fault, it is the fault of Manager X for not being tactically inventive enough.
Tbf relationism is coming into vogue and it is incredibly diametrically opposite to Pep's style of football.
@@thedj9553 I'm not blaming Pep for that. There are a lot of bad ideas and incentives in football club boardrooms.
@@vishred is there any team in europe who plays that way? Real Madrid sort of reminds me of that
For me Guardiola is not the problem, the problem is whose trying to copy him. Positional game demand some things and one of them is the specific players. It's not every team that have a Kevin De Bruyne, Bernardo and Rodri or in the past Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta. Look at Arsenal when Odegaard don't play, completely predictable. Anyway, this is just one of the problems, but I guess thats one of the most important to observed.
Funnily enough, this is also what happened with Italy (Herrera's Inter) and catenaccio.
The problem exarcebates when youth coaches try to copy him and impose a set structure upon 7-11-year-old kids.
People pay too much attention to the attack/possession part of his football, and not enough attention to what his team does when the ball is not possessed by his team. If we define the intensity of fouling by #fouls/(100%-possession rate), his teams have an extremely high intensity of fouling, which gives the players breath room. Such high intensities of fouling are really what distinguished him from the OG Netherland or Brazil teams who played beautiful games but ended up losing. To me, that's the anti-football part of his system.
Can you provide specific statistics regarding number of fouls by Pep's teams vs other teams? My recollection is that his teams foul LESS often than opponents.
@@macgp44 I typed a long reply, but TH-cam deleted it probably because it had a link in it. You can check the stats for the BAR-ARS Champion League game on 4/6/2010. ESPN has them. In this game, Barcelona fouled 16 times with a possession rate of 68.2% ( vs. Arsenal, 19 fouls, 31.8% possession rate). Using the formula that I listed above, Barca's foul intensity is 50, and Arsenal is barely 28.
Really interesting. I looked it up and apparently you're right. Pep's team only appear less dirty because of how little they're in possession.
rodri and fernandinho are experts at this
Pep's teams mainly commit deliberate obstruction fouls when the opposition is beginning an attack in their own half. It stops the game, allowing his team to retreat and reset and there is little chance the ref will book the offending player.
Pep hasn't ruined football, people are just copying what they don't understand
The Pep situation for me is like this:
There is a class, in that class there is a good student, a very very good one academically
That student has a book which he really cherishes cause it helps him study
All the other students, seeing that model student succeeding decide to go buy the book
But no one can match the model student
And all the other students blame the book
😂
He made the game robotic rather than artistic. No need for a silly metaphor
Who cares about artistic football if you don’t win
@@Azure.-. without it being artistic it's not as entertaining and fun. Football in the end is a form of entertainment.
@@yourashi9082 i understand that but it aint peps fault plus im sure clubs don’t really care about artistic football lol, its the fans that want that and im sure everyone will rather win than watch thier club be fun to watch and do nothing
@ its funny how you go from a smug "who cares" to just rambling some nonsense
Lack of superstars in today's football could be attributed to him too. Players are afraid to express themselves, they prefer the safe approach in game. Take a look at how wingers transformed.
That's just so stupid. So because Pep wants his wingers to think before they do stupid things and lose the ball 20 times a game, he's at fault for wingers not taking chances at other clubs? Gtfo
Imagine being so good at something that the only criticism you get is boring people because you win so much
Not boring people because you win, boring people with boring football, you're missing the point.
@@sylvainmirouf4683halaand, kdb, gvardiol, rodri, silva, all boring huh
Sad that Bielsa didn't get his flowers. He also had a huge influence on Pep's tactical philosophy.
Its because Bielsa wasnt successful enough. wish he was given a chance in a big team. although his playstyle requires high energy so its probably only a big team where he would succeed
How can you give flowers to guy who's been coaching for over 30 years and hasn't won anything in all those years?
@@wallahhabibiiiiBielsa wouldn't take it lol he doesn't go to big teams
After his world cup disaster with Argentina I don't want to see his face anymore.
@jstos3675 "Bielsa has won nothing in 30yrs" is actually incorrect. But I'm not going to haggle on that.
The initial point is he's pretty influential on the modern game. To the point where Pep himself made his acquaintance to get tactical tips here and there. He's also an influence on Poch, and if I'm not mistaken Sampaoli. All the coaches as well as pretty much everybody else that matters nowadays employ the passy-passy footy that we enjoy/hate today.
Why did u stop doing analysis of el Classicos bro..
Would’ve been fun this season too with Barca destroying Madrid each time lol
football matches are more enjoyable nowadays due to most teams playing more positive football, but there arent as exciting moments and highlights. the baseline of enjoyability is higher though imo
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Games are getting boring
Your opinion is indeed trash
most folks are crying cause their team is shit to watch now because their managers think they can just copy pep and his success. brighton dont play anything like pep and theyre fun towatch, newcastle are fun to watch. your tream does not have to play slow possession football to win or be entertaining.
@laurent4819 Nope. I follow Arsenal and Wenger's gameplay was way more fun and exciting than Arteta's despite Wenger's Arsenal getting mostly 3rd/4th for the later half of his tenure.
Player individuality and expressiveness is a key criteria for fun and football evolution. A person can do a lot with a ball. It's just physics and mind body creativity.
Lool at how Arteta positions Saka who barely moves into the center and hoe Wenger wingers were positionally moving into center or switching up flanks.
At the end of the day it's about entertainment and I as a person values my time and desires. So I am going to put my money and attention to something which I find exciting and Arteta's football is not exciting even if he wins the league which I doubt.
Superb professional analysis. Love it mate!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Literally Citys games have been voted best games of the season in 2 seasons in a row... Last year City vs Chelsea was the most viewed & voted most entertaining match of the season by fans..... Pep never ruined football it's other teams parking the bus 90minutes against City just waiting to counter .... I hate that most clubs nowadays sit back deeply against city waiting to counter ... Managers have no idea how to attack Pep so they resort to boring tactics & defensive formation!!...
It's not peps fault other managers can't counter his tactics and make a game of it,he is a genius as is Eddie howe one of the few coaches to take man city to the wire and make a game of it, peps football isn't boring, other teams are inept!
Woooow. This is such a beautiful movie. I took me to places emotionally that I never knew I would revisit. Thank God for 2nd chances
Wonderful video, you make really great content for anyone who loves the game and wants to learn more about how it is played at the elite level.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed.
Yes pep guardiola has made footballers robots and that they keep doing the same thing,but you become a master,if you keep doing the same thing if it's simple, thats how he makes some the best footballers in the world. Restriction makes creativity
Football has become more tactical and controlled, yes, but atleast most top coaches now approach the game from an attacking perspective. If Pep wasnt so successful it might have been that that defensive football of Conte or Mourinho would be the most popular
This was a very well articulated video,
His ideas build on Johan Cryuff and Rinus Michels. Did they ruin football?
His ideas incorporate efficiency arising from Moneyball and Analytics. Did Billy Beane and Bill James ruin all sports by applying efficiency to sport?
The whole point of efficiency is eliminate variability. This is all Pep has done, it is now on all other managers to counter that. The only one who has done so successfully is Jurgen Klopp.
People always bring up Ronaldinho in this conversation about player expression, as an example of how things used to be. But Ronaldinho was a unicorn, for him to represent how things used to be doesn’t make sense to me. I’m pretty new to football so maybe I’m off in making this comment but when people use Ronaldinho or Neymar to show what we’re missing out on because of Pep, it seems like they’re filling in the space of the rest of football with these outlier players
Football isn't exactly quantum physics. After 200 years or so after its inception, it's only natural that players and coaches have discovered the most efficient way to play it.
Bro can you post more often.
Love your content
I despise Pep's tactics a lot. It was and never will be enjoyable for me to watch how any of his teams play.
However, people claiming that he ruined football are completely blind to what should really be blamed- everyone else copying him in hopes of success, and then completely failing.
There's a common saying in video game development, "Given time, Players will optimize the fun out of any game". Pep optimized football and created a highly effective "meta". And instead of everyone trying to come up with their own highly optimized form of play or a counterplay to said "meta", have decided to become "metaslaves".
again, another masterpiece from The Pursit Football! feeling so much grateful to you for making such a beautiful and quality video
Thank you and glad you enjoyed :)
This is a masterpiece? Lmao
@@LauraGS564 happy you laughed
Been waiting for a new video 😀
People must have forgot when football in the prem used to be spamming long balls hoping for something to happen
It’s not that positional play is bad, the problem is that too many coaches are not creative enough to create that variety
Football is ruined by the Ancelottis, Mourinhos, Southgates, Deschamps and Bordalas - not by the genius himself.
I don’t get it.
Mastering a strategy to beat a game consistently (always under it’s rules) is ruining it? I mean, the target in a game is to win it. That’s not ruining it
That’s genius. Everyone’s just tired of seeing him win. GOAT coach.
Pep didn't ruin football but rather influenced its evolution. Something was bound happen eventually even if Pep was out of the equation and it would have still evolve into this kind of play (positional, passing to keep the ball with quick unexpected attacks. Such changes would fundamentally influenced by how greed football bodies have become. Player find themselves playing way too many games per season, if you keep playing a style that pushes players to cover large spaces you'll just be facing frequent injuries. Yes the downside is that we don't get to see players individual abilities 1v1 but alot have been saved from unecessary injuries.
There was ever only one Ronaldinho and only one Zidane. To say that individuality used to flourish is disingenuous at best. Play style 20 years ago were just as now, about avoiding a loss. And the managers would primarily avoid losing, scoring is usually secondary. Peps ideas and systems makes a pattern that is good for repeatedly scoring as well.
cant wait for the next video
I believe Pep's system/philosophy creates the ideal setting for truly creative players to play at their absolute best. He's always talked about how he leaves the final attacking third up to his players. In that area, he will not tell them what to do. This is where he needs those creative players with skill and flair to break down low block defenses and create something out of nothing.
Meanwhile pep's system eliminates purist 10s. Bye bye ronaldinho, ozil, gotze thanks to his system.
@@harukrentz435 have u ever heard about a guy called lionel messi?
@@harukrentz435 so what if it does maybe your teams should develop systems which include the 10s you want
@@harukrentz435Messi? KDB? Foden? Even alvarez at times?
Pep Ball inhibits talent even as it depends upon one talent: the ability of players to make accurate and quick passes. This does not necessarily lead to goals. To create goals Pep has relied on the uber-talent of Messi and De Bruyne. His system is fragile in that it is too difficult to play with average players, something that Pep is learning this season as his players are aging out. If he just scrapped the system and allowed Haaland, Doku, and Savinho to express themselves, the team would be doing better. At bottom, the entire system is built on Pep's fear of having to defend with defenders. There have been no great central defenders on any of Pep's teams.
"There have been no great central defenders on any of Pep's teams."
So do Carles Puyol and Gerard Pique just not exist?
It's almost like, just as his mentor did not know what to do with defenders, Guardiola never bothered to learn either.
Can please make a video about Chelsea and Enzo Maresca?
Assistance plz: towards the end there is a compilation of possession based teams stringing passes together, the last team in blue, looks japanense if im not mistaken. What team is that??
It’s Japan
@thepurist_ typo. Meant japanese. Which team is it? Albirex?
I just saw a video from Kingsley Coman saying exactly the same. Players are losing their individuality, which kinda kills the magic of the game
Please please make more videos man. I miss your content.
The bigger reasons is advancement of data analytic technology, and arrival of sovereign fund mega team, both in retrospect, were near unavoidable.
Pep wasn't entirely blameless, he's a half-blood prince, part Cruyff, part van Gaal, and the latter part got the better of him as time went by.
Had Mou won out the intense rivalry between late 2000's to early 2010's, it would had been much worse.
What would it take for him to be full blood? What about the Sacchi blood?
It's only premier league fans and English people who think Pep has killed football, his tactics and intelligence in football is too much for them to comprehend, for people who are used to kick and run and being behind in football which is proven by the quality of the players they produce they were always going to think it's ruined. England also has to keep the marketing illusion that the PL is the most competitive league and Pep single handedly deems that sentiment ridiculous which fuels more concerns and makes them run out of their unlimited excuses which they never seemingly run out of
The red cartel affiliates - to be precise. 😅
The English have an insane inferiority complex
They created the game but have pitiful success in it when compared to the Italians, Spanish, Argentinians, Germans, and Brazilians
So they have to claim that a Spanish coach who's run roughshod over the league is "ruining football"
"You need a high IQ to understand Pep's tactics" oh come on. Even if we follow that reasoning, you may fool english but not everyone around the globe which may find the PL fun to watch but is not the best.
It's funny because in Brazil and Argentina if you don't play a good looking brand of football with lots of passes and dribbles and aggressive pressing you get boo-ed like hell. And we don't even feel envious of any foreign coach out there at least here in Argentina because we know we had our own coaches who also set the bar up high in their own ways.
The most blatant example is Menotti who had the same tactics of Runi Michels and even won the 1978 world cup that way but he developed watching hockey and learning from other sports.
I also feel something is lost here in terms of other coaches who also influenced the game. Jurgen Klopp, Ralf Ragnick and more importantly... Wolgang Frank (Klopps mentor). The 2010s German teams. Before, matches were lots of times played with a jogging defense instead of active pressing and closing down of spaces and even if these concepts existed they weren't applied universally in all teams as it is today, teams weren't using to that level of intensity and so many teams with sometimes better players with the ball lacked the physical element in the game to run for 90 minutes. Anyone here remembers how when Bayern won the Champions league against Dortmund everyone was talking about the dead of positional play? I do remember it.
And to be honest I prefer to watch today's defenses much more than older ones since I just like the energetic and double press from both front and below pockets brand of defense modern teams have but that's a personal preference. And you can see how a team just lacks when there's no organizational pressing nor high quality defense.
He didn’t ruin football. The coaches who aren’t as creative and piggy back off his ideas ruined football
Although he does ruin creative players. The whole robot thing I agree with
Yet his wingers (grealish excluded) tend to have the best scoring/assist stats. I guess being a robot is superior.
It's not just Guardiola, there are a lot of other factors that might be contributing to modern football being less entertaining.
Pep didn’t ruin football.
It’s all the others that try to copy him.
Doesn’t help that English football suffers from a loser victim mentality. We always portray better run clubs, coaches and teams as “ruining football” to compensate for our clubs’ inability to compete and do better. There’s a reason England hasn’t won an international trophy in 60 years 😂
exactly. people criticize a poor guy for 'ruining' football.
dude only brought his advanced-philosophy in tactics of football but nope, that's called 'ruining' football.
and not blaming the ones who are trying to copy him.
he is the most smartest managers [with cruyff] that i think football ever saw. his philosophy and tactical knowledge is absolute unbelievable.
that's why pep has the best teams going around him and he makes it out of them like barca, man city, bayern.
he made football so advanced that if u even got the bottom team of the PL to play in the UCL and PL in 2000's era, they would have easily won it. that's how much advanced football has become, which is good, since it is improving its quality. people say there's no enjoyment but forget that now there is actual competition nowadays and not every team needs worldclass players to have success.
today, the managers, formations, systems, tactics, chemistry all matter. which makes it better.
football progressively got harder and harder and in the end, we're seeing real competition b/w teams.
you have real hard teams like bayern, madrid, man city, barcelona, leverkusen, inter in UCL. kompany is proving everyone wrong, pep is suffering but can still have major comeback, hansi flick is cooking, alonso is just unbelievable at this rate, inzaghi is very underrated. so many worldclass managers in so many different powerhouse teams. that's what u want. a real competition b/w real teams.
@LFC_fan7 english fans are like that. they banter, and have one of the most outrageous opinions in football that italians, germans, brazilians for 100th time cries out laughing after hearing.
english fans always pressurize everyone. for them, 2 EURO Finals is bad from a manager. for them, a Q/F In world cup is bad even though their team lost in group stages only before that manager came.
this is why, never come to PL because the amount of PR and media that will go against you [if ur do not meet their favourable requirements which is almost impossible to fulfill anyway] is just unbelievable. poor saka is still criticized for 2021 euros penalty whereas italians have LONG Time ago forgave baggio for his penalty. italians NEVER criticized that dude for missing a pen as much as english fans do to saka.
even though, saka redeemed himself as a worldclass talent and has a good potential STILL media and PR always runs after him if he drops a disaster-class. that's how much harsh the english media is.
not shocked that the last time england won a trophy was in 1966 where there was no such thing as PR or any biased media. just pure fans and newspaper and radios flowing around the time and peace spreading in the football community.
A Liverpool fan with common sense. Huh. Banter aside it's true. Look at Arteta and Arsenal. I don't get it tbh, I though Klopp showed you can play a different style and still be successful.
This narrative people are running is just lazy imo.
You are one of the best things of TH-cam
modern football has become that 'Nike: Risk Everything' advert where a super precise, mistake-free, robotic team was created by a mad scientist.
Waiting for the next video.
you should breakdown how this type of robotic football-school slay a natural artistic magnum opus of juan román riquelme on the next video, this type of football-school ruined beauty - on a serious term and implication... humanity
He did not ruin football! If that were the case he would have won more than the 2 Champion League's trophies he won with his style of play. He definitely made it boring and predictable but thats about it. I looked at the past Ch.League winners and variety of style is what we see in the past winners:
2024 - Real Madrid under Ancelotti played an incredibly adaptive style of play with maximum freedom for their best players to capitalize any chances;
2023 - Man City under Pep played their standard positional and passing style;
2022 - Real Madrid under Ancelotti - solid defense, great goalkeeping and capitalized on opponents mistakes.
2021 - Chelsea under Tuchel - 3 at the back as a solid defense and quick counter-attacks..
2020 - Bayern under Flick - Aggressive pressing and versatile attacking options. Remember that Barca game?
2019 - Liverpool - Klopp and Rock and Roll! High-intensity pressing and rapid offensive transitions.
As you can see, even if his style is heavy popularized by the media and the rest of the commentators, is absoluty no recipe to success and found some success only with his few apprentices like Arteta. But what did Arteta win? So yeah ...
I also feel like people who say the game now is "boring" don't know much about tactics. They can watch a goal a million times on repeat and never identify why the heck the goal happened who committed mistakes, who didn't, who capitalized into those.
@@mariadanielalavia8877 And let's talk about how people consume football completely differently. There's more and more football games and competitions, people have less attention span, the new generations dont watch the entire game they want the highlights, the viral moments of the game on social media etc...
Ah, the Vaatividya of futbol. I mean that as a compliment. Well resesrched videos that inform and entertain. If FromSoft ever made a futbol game...🤯
The rabbit hole of why there is less individuality is due to youth players are now part of the business model.
Methodologies have become not just what a manager/coach believes, but a business model. And if you’re in the business to make money, you can’t have players who have “too much” individuality. They need to become more efficient.
Pep’s football to me is beautiful, look at Barca golden days. The non-stop cat and mouse game of tactics that led to the current systematic, no flair football is what ruined it (pep ofc had a hand in this). Altho recently we started to see the magic coming back again, since all teams know how to counter each other, the player themselves are stepping up again.
People forget that Pep's philosophy needs very specific players that can be bought only by teams who have a warchest
posted this on his birthday‼️ happy birthday pep 🐐
Somewhat true for some years, tactically. Overall though its not a lasting change that will remain forever. He himself adapts and changes. The football 20 years from now wont be as it is now.
He alone didn’t ruin but his nemesis Mourinho I said years ago. Pep turned players into Robots except for couple of brilliant players like Messi.
Mourinho also destroyed football because he made ok for big teams to park the bus. Even small teams never really parked the bus before him. That’s why you used to hear the term “they’re shutting up shop” around the 75th minute of the match.
But the problem is when you are out of possession and the opposition attack you with speed, all the theory goes out of the window, you just do not have the time to think and organise.
I think ultimately like you see in real vs city matches, he did not ruin the game. It is just that others are unable to play notmally when facing him
Did Ancelotti ruin football w 4321? Did Zidane ruined football w counterattacks?
Bad comparisons because neither Ancelotti or Zidane inspire any other coaches to play like them. They are completely irrelevant when it comes to influence while every top coach nowadays is trying to play like Pep
Nope. Football was all the better for it. We need more of that today.
Pep is just managing his way
Even if we pretend that this is ruining football, that's not Pep's fault
You don't have to manage like Pep, managers are just choosing to do so
If we had the modern media ecosystem in the late 80's to early 90's, I'm sure we would have had people talking about how Arrigo Sacchi ruined the game as well.
Tactics have become more important over individual qualities but I don’t believe Pep is the sole reason people are ignoring the increase of fixtures thanks to FIFA and UEFAs greed
The point u made about guardiola stripping players of their individual couldn’t be more wrong imo. People always say this and when I ask them to cite an example, it’s always the same player. Grealish. If pep strips players of individuality, why did it only apply to grealish. Why not sterling, sane, Mahrez, Bernardo, kdb, doku, savinho, robben, Ribery etc. all these players still express themselves very well. People try to make the exception the rule, but if u examine the situation well, u will find that there’s only one culprit and its not guardiola.
I believe flick does this quiet efficiently with barca.
For me he's a genius, a revolutionary. He brought a qualitative step to football. And I'm not a Barcelona, Bayern or City fan
Honestly, Pep Guardiola and Manchester City made the Premier League better imo. Like look at this season, the competition is extraordinarily high and the berths for the European Cups are a riot. Its more exciting to watch the PL this season. And thats because of the innovation Pep bought to the table.
Really liked the video, but I think it is stupid to blame pep for ruinig individuality while looking at what Messi did under his system. Messi, probably the most invdidualy gifted player of all time, had peaked under this system. I think the lack of individual qualities come from the players themselves and the way they are trained as children. Today coaches for both young and professional players gives a lot of importance to physical work and gymnastics (mbappe is a great example of it). Unlike players like ronaldinho who mainly touched the ball from childhood until their last day as a professional. I think the reason for this is the major increase in the amount of games a player is playing in a season in the last dacade or two, and I think it also something worth to explore.
Great job again, you are the best tactical analyst in youtube!
Guardiola Is amazing and he did ruin football but it is not his fault. His ideas are very entertaining no one called the sextuple Barca a boring team. The problem is that the coaches all think they are pep without understanding his philosophy so we see loads of coaches that think that 80% possession is Guardiola esque
The man who tried to get the ball to his winger to be in a 1v1 situation with a full back to show their individuality destroyed the game. Yeah sure. 😂.
The man who stopped football players from tackling, heading, dribbling, running into the channels, taking long shots because he could not do it himself.
@@sylvainmirouf4683 I see man city players do all of those things and more in every single game. You need to watch more of his team before hating on him... And it's ok if you hate him. Just don't try to mask it by some made up excuses like "He made them not run into channels". Admit you're a hater and accept who you are! It's ok...
Pep is a genius, always 2 steps ahead of everyone, changed football forever.
Where were this guys when Cruyff Barcelona dream team was playing through people. People just modernized it.
90% of them wasen't born. We older fans are still here, but we don't make as much noice online as them. So narratives comes to life and they live through these banter fans who supports washed teams, and their only happiness in life is to hate on successful people and teams. Its sad
It was funny seeing Milan trash Cruyff and his Barcelona team!
Mark Golgbridge? Is that who we going to listen to😂😂😂. Did Pep ask for these phonies to copy him?
Ronaldinho was also outlier. It makes no sense to describe 'old football' through him.
It got nothing to do with Guardiola.
Its because the lack of resistance in todays football.
Rules were changed to favour attackers while defender got handicaped.
If defender r restricted and its easy for attacker to do scorer, of course coaches will want to go the fastest and most efficient way to win matches.
And thats to simply run or pass past the defender directly to the goal.
Without resistance, without defender which r allowed to tackle there is no creativity or skill needed.
Even Positions disappeared because it got too soft.
For instance the offside rule got changed in 1990 in order to favour attackers because defense was too strong.
2 years later cryuff came up with tiki taka which didnt work under the old offside rule.
So he exploited the weakness in resistance.
The same did Guardiola with barca.
Defender today only can intercept passes, block or kick the ball away. Tacklings r almost non existent and mostly lead to cards.
U see 11 men defending today and teams still concede as many goals as in the 60s.
1 defender of the 80s or 90s could do for what u need 3 today.
Guardiola is just the Symptom, the Source is the fifa which wanted more goals to happen.
I personally don’t think he’s a genius.
exactly. these are his ideals. why blame him because everyone copies him and no 1 can create their own identity or system? they copy him to acquire his level of success. blame the carbon copies that pop up and the need for job security as a coach. Yes his system is origin and it might diminish certain individual attributes of players, but why does your team coach need to follow his tactics? No 1 is holding them hostage to his tactics
How about rationally creating apace and have players move into that space, very different from peps ideas
players will tire more easily.
I wouldn't say ruined, but he has removed some of the fun from it. Imagine telling someone like Eden Hazard or Cole Palmer that they could only stick to one area on the pitch?
It is certainly over the top to claim that he ruined football. Such a claim might be somewhat reasonable if fewer and fewer people would watch his teams' matches but that's not the case. He also didn't kill individuality but to me it is quite obvious that he has problems with players who have their own opinion and speak their mind. No other manager would have kicked out players like Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Ibrahimovic and Touré from Barcelona. He also kicked out Schweinsteiger from Bayern and under his reign Mario Goetze didn't flourish but became a worse player, not allowed to play to his biggest strength which was his unpredictablility. Guardiola doesn't like things to be unpredictable, he wants everthing under control. So as long as that works, everything is fine. But as soon as it doesn't work, he almost never has a plan B. His players then struggle to adapt and to make own decisions on the pitch. It could be seen in numerous CL semifinals. The only time I saw him adapt his tactics was in the 2015 CL semifinal Barcelona vs. Bayern when he switched from three defenders to four but at that time it was already too late.
Guardiola surely is a very good manager, especially if you want to win league titles. Except for the current season his teams almost never drop points against supposedly weaker teams. They are very consistent and hard to surpass over a season. But in cup competitions, especially Champions League, in which you sooner or later have to play against an equally strong opponent in a one off game or in two legs he often struggles. Other teams' managers do not try to eliminate individuality and players' decision making as Guardiola does but play to their strength. And this often gives them the decisive edge.
Yes and no.
His structures are brilliant, a lot of the ideas he has are unreal.
His issue is that he is too slow. Not enough excitement, too boring.
Look at how some other Structuralist Managers play, Bielsa, Ange, Xabi Alonso, they have Structure, but their teams are a lot quicker going forward and want a lot more craziness. A lot more fun to watch.
Funny enough the NBA has the same issue with people complaining about how the game is played today. This leads me to the conclusion of complainers. Yep, some folks are never happy with anything.
I'd like to see what Pep can do with a mid level team say Brighton or Bournemouth
Probably a lot of goalless draws.
@@dillegitante that's more than guys like Potter or De Zerbi had done tbf. Brighton always plays to win 4-3 each game and that's how they lose most games.
@@mariadanielalavia8877 Exactly. Guardiola is much more conservative.
Why would he do that he, that’s like telling Elon musk to go work in a warehouse
Picking Evra and a no body to highlight your point was the dumbest choice. Who are the authorities on modern football? Surely, not those two.
nobody is saying that they are some sort of authority he’s just using them as an example for a sentiment that has been repeated by a lot of people
They talk like guardiola came in with a gun, pointed it other coaches heads and forced them to adopt his style. All he did was win, so others decided to try what he was doing. What's more confusing is...this so called "guardiola style" wasn't actually one style because it is evolved many times.
You can try to twist things but it's simple, Pep discourages flair and individualism at Barcelona Messi was an exception cause he's Messi. Because he has been so successful I'm usually shocked when people think that's impressive cause Barcelona with Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Bayern with basically the 2014 WC Team with no competition and Man City a club with limitless funds and exceptional lawyers how was he gonna fail? I mean Pellegrini won the Premier League with Man City 😂.
Back to my the point, i don't think other Leagues copy Pep at all because the Premier League was so behind tactically when Pep and Klopp came with their modern tactics it was like the invention of bread and butter to them. Now they see no other way of playing football and everyone is copying him from Top to grass roots football but go to Spain or Germany, people don't care about how Pep plays.
Pep didn't ruin football but if he gives him wingers for take ons then it's more entertaining to watch. His system is rigid but it never fails against any teams.
Crazy to me a guy who has won one champions league with a budget the size of a mid sized countries GDP and people glaze him hard enough to say he ruined football
YES, next question
Stop copying Pep all the time, and football will be more fun
Watch more Inter and Atletico
Stupidity, by human nature we all copy the successful. Pep has his way so other people can find their way but the don't. So people being captivated by his way is not his fault. Its the fault of the others for not coming with their way. As much as I am not a Mourinho fan but I can respect the fact that he stood by his own way. So this claim Pep ruin football lacks any intellectual substance.
City is missing their Pivot...
Very much bullshit about players became robots , the postional structure makes it possible in the first place for offensive players to shine against modern organised defenses . Before Guardiola teams would only defensively organize , play 3 dms and wait for the opponent to make mistakes . Guardiola made it possible that modern teams field up to 5 offensive players , a rarity before him .
Just watch some old mourinho team clips from his time at Chelsea or earlier , this was basically top level football , deep defensive blocks and waiting for mistakes , 0 creativity or offensive inspiration.
Guardiola changed all of that and now most top level teams play offensive football with multiple attackers all thanks to him
Barca just beat Real Madrid 5-2 and no video? Bro's not serious about this channel.