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Day In The Life Of An Electrician UK
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 มิ.ย. 2020
- Day In The Life Of An Electrician UK
Join me as I do a days work at an Industrial Grain Store repairing some dodgy electrics.
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Another cracking and interesting video. Nice to see a client having you back to sort out the issues. The consumer change price is too cheap, and you only get what you pay for. I agree with you about not lowering your price. Quality workmanship costs money and people need to realise that.
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Nice job man, well done for changing that damaged armoured! There would of been loads of people who would of left it & walked away 100%!!! 😆
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Hi Jordan, Nice job as usual, I wired 4 of those in the 1960's when I was an apprentice, several times larger massive grain stores in the meridian and Stratford-upon-avon area. use have to install a safety switch with steel wire the length of the tunnel because it could kill you with the pressure if you got court in the tunnel if started by accident., because you opened and closed the vents from the main tunnel. All done with Galvanized conduit in those days. Keep the videos coming really enjoy them and brings back memories.
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The sticky out bit of the box lid is for use with a gasket, it goes inwards to seal the gasket
Thanks for the video...it brought back memories of when I started work years ago doing lots of farm work....one thing that did seem dodgy was you working alone in case you had an accident of something 🤔. On yea and the box lid...bulge out 👍
I always put the buldgy bit facing out gives just that little bit more room.
Curious what everybody else's opinion is on the phase Direction colors.
I think if I came across that situation I would want to rectify the colors for the next guy so there would be no accidental Miss wiring since it is a fan and it's only really ever going to go in One Direction. Although not being there I don't know if following the wire back through its rats nest might have meant a lot more work....
Hi the tape you put around the armored is what i call gum tape. which i use it on sat connection seals. I dont think it woukd be very helpful on mains electrics.BUt when you take some off a role dont stretch it as you found it is an arse to use when you pull it. cut with snips or something semi sharp
I work with 3-phase equipment including motors and the phase colour switching in the pannels sets me off I find it more consistent changing the phase at the motor as 90% of motor allow Access to the connections at the motor
Good video Jordan. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Please do some more 3 phase installation with more explanation and possibly some data installations as well! Cheers again. 👍🏾
Referring to the EICR, the same thing happened to the alarm industry several decades ago. There was suddenly an influx of alarm companies and some of these companies would literally work for peanuts. British standards tend to look at the way you install and not what equipment and level of equipment you put in, which often led to substandard installations with not enough coverage. There will be companies like whats happened PAT testing who will be looking at banging out these reports. Also remember they are under pressure from the letting agencies to work very keenly to get the contracts so they can add their bit to it..
Don't understand why that isolator needed changing. A bit of surface rust. Doesn't make much sense when you leave the rusty control gear. Unnecessary expense for the client?
Agree why change it,new to farm work.No rust on the inside absolutely pointless.
Bit of a waste imo too, But we;'re all always learning. I am sure the client is fine with Jordan's work... the roof and new door/signs shows they're not a tightwad
50/50 imo. Only a matter of time before it does need replacing.....more cosmetic than anything and I'm sure jordan pointed that out and client most likely replied with 'hmmm, might has well have a new one'. 🤷♂️
One thing you must do as a sparky when you leave any job your work is safe. With a rusty isolator you could not guarantee continuity of CPC via the armoured sheath , so you would change the isolator, remember your name goes on the certificate. Any sparky worth his salt always puts safety first second and third . You got to remember with 3 phase your dealing with 400 volts
The days of fitting 3 pole isolators to 4-wire supplies is long gone. A four pole isolator is much safer and it's good practice to fit one.
As for the conduit box lid - bulge in of course to help maintain the seal.
I had the same the other day. A customer contacted me for a price on a EICR i gave them a cost of £350.00 plus vat. The customer come back and told me they can get it done for £120.00 with no vat. I told the customer if i am putting my name to an electrical installation i will do a full test not a ( DRIVE BY).
I have the same Fluke 1664FC as you and I do the phase rotation checks with that. I also have a Fluke T150. The T150 is great for a quick check or fault finding.
You would be surprised how many the motor is going backwards calls I get. Even with VFDs. I keep finding domestic sparks on my patch doing commercial work without the knowledge to work on TPN. Prime example job was every socket was on another phase on dado, 400V potential within 1M on every socket, all sixty of them. I asked the spark on site why they did that, and he said TPN "is just three lives" and it was only until I got my meter to show them 400V potential they actually decided I was telling the truth after a long discussion and some paper. I had to fix that job which was why I was called in.
Keep up the good work I always learn something from your videos 🤓.
Wow that’s ridiculous can’t believe a qualified spark wouldnt know what three phase means 🤦♂️
@@artisanelectrics If you want some photos of the work I found last year I will happily send them to you. 1982 switch gear, OCB's (so the oil even has PCBs) , 750A according to my clamp meter, all live, no covers, just behind a door with no lock. Some chicken wire fence though around it. All humming. No signs. I was wondering why I was getting water on my helmet and there was a hole in the roof leaking on to the side of the bus bar chamber.
Was one of the worst jobs I have ever seen. Also same team of sparks who did the previous job I mentioned working on what would be difficult job even for the best of us. Completely out of their experience and knowledge but they was the cheapest bidder. Was back last week and it is still the same nothing has been done to rectify any of it. But they do have an EICR saying it is safe 🤦♂️. I counted 18 C1s alone last week.
I didn't realise this was a requirement any more and I don't think it has for some time. You often see light switches with 400v in them and I've seen this many times with sockets as you would require a fault on 2 circuits for this to be in an issue as well as the possibility of unbalanced phases
@@dannymort7262 Light switches are fixed. With sockets you can easily have two faulty appliances next to each other for 400V potential (only takes the filter on the SMPS to go faulty and you do see this allot with leakage and nuisance trips). I work on the rule depends on the environment. I rather avoid it if I can. The example I was using was a repair workshop. Where you could easily have multiple appliances open on live lest. But I do the same in schools as well. I know in 17th 514.10.1 applies warning labels for this. But not got my 18th book on me to check what the current version of that reg is. I have always seen it as good practice to keep them separated on SPN when fed from a TPN supply.
@@adamhorden oh a warning label that nobody's going to read that will solve it. I recently have been remarking about how stores put advertising stickers on their floor, and now that we're all completely desensitize to them they're putting distance markers on the Flores. I believe fewer better quality signs are better.
Seems like you should monut the condut box lid with the ridge facing inwards as it would increase the surface area and pressure on the gasket making the seal tighter.
VEM quote a default £147 + VAT ( £176.40 ) on behalf of Allen Harris estate agents EICR !! A proper inspection is at least £300-350 absolute min. in my opinion and I agree with you. Something is happening with EICR Landlord certs for letting agents.
I totally agree
A rusty box does not mean you need to change it for a shiny new one, it's not electrically unsafe. Given the environment a clean and paint
Nice job Jordan. Love your videos. I had a consumer unit change about 2 years ago. 17th edition unit with 6 circuit RCBOs and it cost me 600 plus VAT which I thought was a good price. The price mentioned in your video. OMG. What are they using for the unit. Lego?
Yeah totally the mind boggles
Lego 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Brilliant lol.
Awesome job jordan. Very thorough fellow sparky 🤝
Its agricultural - where's the RCD?
I get the same problem in my area where some jokers are doing work way too cheap that it has forced me away from the electrical side and into security and CCTV, also get a lot of calls with the same phrases at the beginning of the call "we have had some work done by an electrician and he won’t answer now and it isn’t working can you come look at it for me" industry needs to change and get standards of work back up. Loving the videos makes me smile watching and seeing proper work done keep up the good work👍
Awesome thanks a lot
Really interresting to see all the very old electric units and wires. I guess you were lucky to be able to find a new replacement main switch of the same style as before. Well done mate.
a 10 way fusebox SPD RCBO board, with 6 RCBOs, a tails gland (not upgrading the tails) and some intumescent grommets is
even fitting the version of the same board without the SPD is 158 plus vat materials only.
the only way you could be fitting a board for 107 plus vat is if you had no spd, cheapest brand twin RCD board, didn't upgrade tails, didn't use intumescent grommets, no new tails gland, tested nothing.
ahh here again! this should be interesting 😊 darth sparkey... use 3 phase mains... luke, use three phase mains! 😂😂😂😂
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Alway did lid bulge out,flat side against box,gasket will seal 100%,but most lids I got were just a flat disc, so could go either way.
Other day seen a galvinised 3 way junction, turned out it was made in aluminum,cheaper & from China.
Interesting thanks!
Would have like to see a warning label on your new switch and the starter .👍 400 volts
The warning label is for the nominal voltage to earth which is 230 Volts.
You don't need to put a 400 Volt sticker on at all. 230 Volt is all that's needed. 👍
@@mb-electricalservices I personally would not fit a 230 volt warning label on a three phase isolator or any other equipment that contains 400 volt . Regulation 514.10.1 is very misleading. But if you go to the on site guide page 57 . 6.3 it says a warning label stating the maximum voltage present must be provided where it can be seen . The regulation book reg 514.10.1 words this a bit different. Any phase to earth will give you 230 volts . But the enclosure will still have 400 volts inside . So fitting a 230 volt label on a three phase isolator would cause confusion. ..
I would not let my lads fit 230 volt labels on equipment that has 400 volts enclosed ..
I have also spoken to NICEIC engineer about this item on are last inspection Vist ..
Bulgy bit faces towards the box, provides a better seal when used with a gasket.
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Weller pyro pen I think it's called, great soldering iron for field work.
Excellent video Jordan, more of the same please. Lovin the handy tips and attention to detail 😀
It seems to me that the firm offering the CU change for such a cheap price is not going to change any or very few CUs. They are tempting the customer to go with them, they will do a minimum EICR and walk as long as the CU is not on fire.
The odd CU that they are forced to change will be absorbed by the overall profits of super cursory inspections.
Indeed, if you were inclined to look the other way you could just about justify never having to replace a CU because it has worked for many years in its current state of shame.
Good video, thanks.
I think I might have been inclined to match the phase wiring colours throughout, and correct for phase rotation where it matters, i.e. the motor terminals (or the outgoing of the motor starter).
Also agree with the comment below about either making the light an emergency fitting or adding an emergency fitting. Client's decision, of course, not yours.
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I would agree with that, The installation wiring - IMO should be consistent and " correct " throughout in terms of phase connections. Indeed - I find it extremely odd that the phases needed to be reversed at the distribution board. What if someone else decided to install some other three phase equipment - what then ?
As far as the direction of the motor rotation is concerned - surely that should be a function of the motor install ?
I cannot believe that a motor manufacturer would expect phases to be crossed "supply" side to reverse rotation ?!!
@@eric4709 if someone else installs some other three phase equipment and doesn't check the phase rotation then that's on them
@@megazeus7972 - I would agree with that "in principle" but really ... I would rather see the installation correct to the point(s)
of termination .. and ... as you say .. If then an installer doesn't check phase rotation in his/her own new wiring .. then that really is down to them !
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I charge £450 for a EICR. Takes me roughly 4 and bit hours - 5 hours for 3 bedroom detached house. If the consumer unit needs changing and bonding needs running I charge £400 for labour plus materials on top + Vat. All includes a install certificate afterwards as per usual with anything anyone installs.
£540 inc Vat on EICR cost.
That sounds like a proper price
wow I feel like I've way undercut myself. My area EICR's are usually in the 150-200 bracket! will certainly do my research before giving anymore quotes.
Jonathan Stephens no mate those are b#sh1t prices no ones going to pay more than 200 for half day labour outside of central London
So you charged 450 for an EICR and then another 400 to swap the board - having already done the testing and inspection? Nice money if you can get it - can’t believe many people are willing to pay that .
cool mate! good for using safety equip! and i think that inform clients about your work and giving arguments for judging other services is good, transparency and information always pays off with clients. always neat works! cheers!
I install the caps bulge side in for a better press on the rubber seals to improve the IP
your the best mate
14:26 that is a confined space my friend.
May even be a zoned area and the DNO supply and mains are in zone 2
@@c8bbr what? I was just thinking that had 1 entrance and exit. Can you enlighten me please.
@@tresslerj1985 A grain store is a dusty environment and potentially explosive so it could under a Dust Atex zone and if it is the sparky should be Compex trained for dust and yes from my training I would class the ventilation shaft as a confined space so ideally he should have confined space training to! These house bashers getting involved with the big boy stuff Lol :D
My vote is lid bulge out. I think it's to give you just a little bit extra space and recess the screws. Although I don't think it matters so I think it can be reversed if you wanted to go the other way. But that's just my guest from visiting the UK a few years back and looking at all the electrical.
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Perhaps the prices you were told got mixed up £107 for eicr and £290 for board change.maybe that was excluding VAT. Yes, it's still very cheap-but makes more sense.
I agree that might make more sense. Equivalent to MOT. Cheap to get one but good upseller
Bet there will be a board change and a load of remedial work to be done,
CR box lids dent in....dont ask me why, just always do.....5 years ago i was charging 400 quid minimum for a consumer unit change....including the test.
I would have thought The Bulgy Bit would go In by default and out when things get tight, Nice Video (as Always) Jordon
Awesome video. I love these videos that follow up.
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Great video! Well said! It's a shame some people go for cheapest in an industry with its fair share of cowboys and cheap rubbish.
Some people have little choice.
The part of the cover on the junction box above the light switch can be in or out, however, for just a bit more room inside am shallow box it would be best to have the part facing outward. The junction boxes here in the u.s. don't have that kind of preference as they just have a flat cover that screws to the box. I am not an electrician, however, I have about a year and a half of experience with residential electrical due to college and having to rewire a few circuits in my dad's house, and I also chose to wire my own house. All of which I wired to code per the electrical standards.
Thanks for the comment!
Really good quality videos with a clear and detailed explanation of the works going on , i have started using Zappi chargers as a result of your channel, keep up the good work.
I had a client show me an EICR with a plastic fuseboard code 2.
Awesome thanks. Code 2 on plastic CU is only if it’s got signs of overheating really.
Ok so pricing varies around the Uk but you charge more than 240 + vat for a 3 bed EICR and at least a grand for a board swap ? Fair play Jordon I’m not saying you shouldn’t charge those prices but in West Midlands that’s about twice the going rate. Basically then you are working on £500 as a day rate it seems. Sparks like me here can probs win work on a recommendation basis on anywhere 175 to 250 a day beyond that no chance especially if pricing versus Jonny no scheme.
Look on the bright side, those 'electricians' quoting that low will never be able to afford a Tesla 😉
Exactly! 😉
Nice job, thanks for sharing 👍
3-phase 10 possible combinations
- L1 and L2
- L1 and L3
- L1 and Neutral
- L1 and Earth
- L2 and L3
- L2 and Neutral
- L2 and Earth
- L3 and Neutral
- L3 and Earth
- Neutral and Earth
Very quick though - the danger of making mistake is so much greater on 3-phases. You should have a tick box on piece of paper or some nice tool?? Just to double check. Great work and very interesting. Thanks Jordan. Did you take photo of the phase rotation? you could check phase rotation on the fluke 1664fc.
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bulge out or the gasket doesn't seal and you lose the ip rating. flat surface to flat surface
3:20 Big incomer? 😂😂😂😂 Residential Standard in some countries... I‘ve got 4x35mm2 CU TN-C at HOME!
Small stuff that,was working with 50mm 4 core and up in 1994 until 2006,wrestling pythons I called it
If you’re doing a fair bit of heat shrink and you’re after a new toy you can get cordless heat guns - dewalt do a 18v one
Nice I’ve got a corded one already and don’t use it much
Nice job.
Shame there is no Auxiliary contact in the isolator you could of connected that stop circuit through. Saves the potential of the isolator being under full load when it gets turned off and then back on.
Nice one Jordan. Always entertaining
Thanks Chris!
Pricing such a dark area sometimes. Obviously it depends on the board to be changed. I always go between (for rcbo c/u) 350 and 500 up to 6 breakers.. I use fusebox normally although my favourite is the hager. Be interesting to know from anyone here regarding prices. Always good to hear others opinions. 🤝
Hi Jordan , I also think Kevin could be right about the pricing .Price low to get through the door , then up sell with faults & earthing etc .
Not a good way to keep customers on the long term ! Great video 😀
I'll say put it faceing in giving you a tighter seal
They are likely going in to change the consumer unit for £400, and will then test out afterwards, unless the find anything horrific in the first 20 mins, in which case they will just do a failed EICR for £290 and quote higher to sort out the awkward ones. Edit: Or I suppose it's very good and they can just whip through EICR testing "some" sockets and "some" switches, along with coooker/shower for £290.
I'm guessing the damage to the armoured was due to the vibrations caused by the motor against the sheet metal. Could you have used some form of masking like you use on the fusebox rear? That way it won't get damaged again.
No it was rodent damage
I agree I wouldn't get out of bed for less than a grand for a consumer unit change
I’m going college to become a electrician any tips or tricks that might be helpful?
Great video Jordan. Are you certain the board change wasn’t labour only, no one can run a business on those prices
Thanks! Yeah it’s ridiculous.
Great video👍👍. I am an electrician in Norway so its interesting to see how you are working in the UK😊👍
Nice thanks!
Hi jordan love the video's but quick question does the isolator and light switch you are changing have to be ip rated for moisture as when you are removing old switch and isolator there is rust all over them in the irish wiring rules we must ask the question are the fit for purpose thanks buddy
£300 for a consumer unit replacement around here, that's a BG dual RCD board. Don't see the problem with BG, if it meets UK spec...then it's all good...
Sadly, if you give the customer a quote for a Hager / MK, Vs BG.. they will always go with the cheapest..
wow, I think what you replied is good. I think I would have also added this is the services that are included and this is the brand that I fit which is quality and they must be using the using the cheapest one which might not even be up to the current standards assuming it's not reused. My installation will The last and you will probably have multiple people in for repairs on there's. obviously they're looking for a second opinion because they're not sure what they're getting either, or they're looking to get it even cheaper and in that case I would assume you wouldn't even get a reply.
I do mainly commercial now but I was charging £300 for a mains board change 10 years ago
Nice job mate. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Regards the EICR joke... it’s obvious what’s going on there....just like it is on 90% of other EICR jobs these days, and that sadly is the reason why sparks including myself who were doing EICRs the right way, have now had to knock it on the head and move on...(in some cases move away from the industry).
I doubt proper testing (if any) has been done...hence why they go so cheap on the board because the money from the test will pay off any unqualified migrant and still buy a board. As you correctly say, the board won’t have any SPD or correct circuit protection or labelling for that matter because they would just blindly throw cables onto breakers and switch it on performing a bang test in the process. If nothing trips jobs a good’n.
Sad state our industry is in and it will only get worse. Decent sparks are paying for this crap that is going on yet nothing ever gets done.
I would agree. A border control issue impacting British jobs. Jump through hoops to get qualified but then lose out to the first lets call them "influx", that wash up on the shoreline...
All equipment installed in an Agricultural Installation should be a Minimum of IP44 (Special; Locations) Equipment doesn't comply.
It was replacement of an existing switch not designing a new install
@@artisanelectrics To try and help you going forward, Anything you do should be to current BS7671 18th ed.
Otherwise how can you Certificate it to BS
Regards.
I work on agricultural sites all the time and we wont really commence work without the 300mA rcd
You can use the 221 as maintenance free as long as you use the spacers.
You can absolutely use Wago 221s in the appropriate MF box in an inaccessible location. The original Wagobox does not fit them, but there are adapters and there's a variant for 221s and 2273s. Check the MF instruction sheet next time you open one.
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I’d put the box lid the opposite way to you but I guess it’s personal choice as long as the gaskets fitted I can’t see an issue either way
What code do you use to fail that isolator. Was clearly just deteriorated, but it didn’t impair it’s function. Looked like job creation to me
Stat away from 3 phase,totally different game.Look at the Regs,If there is no earth you need to run a separate earth along the armoured, even if it's a TT system
At 2300 “wago connectors of course are not maintenance free”, according to wago they are maintenance free
I believe they are maintenance Free when used with the new 221 maintenance free junction Box.
I know I’m a little bit late :), but i think this £107 for change consumer unit is only work pricing and you need to extra pay for materials. Then you have £400 for one day work and I think is more realistic.
Not come across anyone charging so low for a CU change and EICR, I would have done the same as you and advised caution if they went with them. But I would want to check their work once finished and check a few of their EICR results. Professional curiosity, to make sure it is safe for the tenants and report any dangerous workmanship.
Personally I think the "bulgy bit" sticks outwards providing a compression around all edges and also around the M4 screw threads. With it sticking outwards there wouldn't be a compression around the M4 threads it seems. I'm trying to think of a reason why it bulges at all. The only thing I can think of, is it provides a bit of protection for the M4 screw heads. Should an object hit the galvanized box.
P.S. For the flexible conduit, I like to use the rigid conduit at low levels up to the roof then go out of that with the flexible conduit. You can use regular threaded conduit adapters onto a flexible conduit gland. Or the more expensive route of using a specific spiral flexible conduit gland. Which does the same thing but ends up been more expensive.
Refer the issue of drive-by EICR’s to your registration body, the national association of landlords, the tenants association, and the press, to fully publicise this, because in the end the tenants of these properties suffer by living in an inadequately tested or maintained property.
Nice job as always!
I think the bulgy part on the box goes outside, since otherwise the rubber has to stretch over it inside the box and that may lead to small openings or at least more stress on the rubber.
I'm curious: Why did u spray the box with Zinc spray?🤓
Bests
I've seen (and used) self-amalgamating tape on antenna and telephone installations many many years old, the only problem being that it's impossible to remove. It is incredible stuff and would have been more than enough for your job, however, I see why you changed the cable.
But, I do wonder if you shouldn't have some company. In the factory I ran it was a requirement that nobody would work alone in the way that you do. I realise that an assistant needs pay but they can also save a lot of time, particularly if you are running cables (in your case, they can also hold the camera).
I would trust your work. I've never seen you leave a jobsite in unsafe condition.
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Good to see your sticking to your guns with your pricing.keeps your work standards high
Yeah definitely
Thoses prices are stupid but there are sole traders in my area still doing rewires of 3 beds for less than £2500 EICR and gas safe company’s doing both in package deals for less than £200 the race to the bottom is most definitely on
It’s crazy
Madness is near me 2.5/3k is about the going rate for a 2/3 rewire.
Good point about the CU change, no way could I install that at that cost. I 100% agree that something needs to be done with this 'race to the bottom'.
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While I agree that 107 is far too cheap for a new board but over £1000. What are you fitting?
I only fit Hager RCBO boards with SPD
Sorry but rust is normal on farms mem isolators just needs a respray . If it bothers you.
How about replacing that old motor with new IE3 one?
Another nice job as always. Good to see you wearing the mask in the barn for the asbestos 👍😁. Dont for get to check the overload setting within the starter. With it being an 18.5KW and star delta the running current should be around 32A so the overload should be set to 60% of the FLC of the motor so around 19.2A assuming its attached to the bottom of the main contactor. Your 50A MCB is for fault protection only so hopefully its been designed right to begin with. We have alot of these MEM MCBs installed and found alot of failures lately where they look like they are on but its actually tripped. Not sure if there 3871's so just check the PSCC isnt to large for it phase to phase as they usually could only withstand about 3KA!. You shouldnt get the motor running at full current as its only spinning a fan blade unless the bearings are on there way out. Keep up the good work and the vids and im glad you didnt joint the estop through the switch disconnector! 👍😁🤣
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Ex council house consumer unit they are all over eaby
Jordan, why not bring the Tesla for a spin and put the old tool box in its boot ??
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That's for those late-night house calls to change light bulbs
Very interesting video Jordan I totally agree with changing the switch which was rusty it would only of got worse equally the new one is coated with rust resistant paint. Price wise reme be if you pay peanuts you get monkeys nuff said
Grain store is quite probably not compliant with DSEAR by the looks of it
5:50 Darth vader mask. lmao id be the same surrounded by all that asbestos.
You Said fluorescent light. ? You must of used LED don't think anyone uses new fluorescent lights now. Want to see more of the Tesla Jordan. Looking at the Harley Davidson Live Wire. Great Watching.
Yes it was an LED batten, Tesla vidéos coming soon...
What was wrong with the existing isolator?
Board change for that price that really made me laugh, watched enough of your videos to know an EICR and board change can’t be done for that. 😂😂😂 bet your glad you walked away from that 😂👍
How did you have that much SWA in your van stock, that was lucky 👍🏻
22:33 phone the manufacture
Got to be some sort of a misunderstanding with the consumer unit hasn’t there? Either that or they’re lying. Excellent videos thanks.
Who know
What was your 3 phase voltage