IDK why but the title screen is messed up no matter what I do...? So the TW:// Passionflix. That's plenty of info lmfaooo. CC to be updated soon (hopefully before the day is out.)
I know for a damn fact I want my Wattpad fics to STAY ON WATTPAD TF AIN'T NO DAMN WAY THAT SHIT IS GETTING PUBLISHED OR GETTING A MOVIE DEAL LIKE WHAT--
When rich kids run away why don’t they take valuable shit and not be dumb about it😭😭like I’d grab anything that has value and take that shit straight to the pawn shop
i just want a romance movie where the dude is covered in scars and when the protagonist asks about it hes like "yeah my sister told me not to fight that raccoon but i was stupid and here we are"
I wrote a scene where a girl was like omg where did you get those burn scars? "Never cook bacon without a shirt on." So anticlimactic but seriously grease spatter hurts like a mf
@@bluehydrangea5506 How much better would Fifty Shades of Grey have been if Anna woke up to Christian screaming in pain since, as a posh boy, he has no idea how to cook and has burned himself with bacon grease?
Re: Gentrification of poverty - They're never poor in a way that leaves marks or matters to their character beyond tragic backstory. They grew up poor but they're in perfect health**. They grew up poor but it doesn't affect their relationship with money (or food, shelter, clothing, etc.). They grew up poor but the only debt they have is the made up one the villain comes at them with. They grew up poor but supporting their other poor family members financially never comes up OR the other poor family members who want money are cast as villains. They grew up poor but they're definitely not poor now, they got a job and apparently that solves all your problems. Lingering effects of poverty, what? **Except for the trauma but that has the same problems as the poverty back story. They have trauma but it's never discussed in terms of actual mental illness. They have trauma but it never manifests as anything other than vague sadness, jealousy, and/or controlling behavior. (Well, there was that one movie where the guy threatened suicide in order to force the girl to come back to him but that falls under controlling behavior.) They never have something like anxiety or phobias because those aren't 'sexy'. And they can't have anything like schizophrenia because only those mental illnesses are strictly for villains in fiction.
In addition to the fetishized trauma I noticed something else that’s super common. These relationship stories almost exclusively follow the arc of “curing the broken man” and the movie ends ONLY when he’s fixed. It never matters what the woman wanted outside of the relationship. Her arc/ growth is finished the first time they kiss or have sex. Cool done. No need to explore her any further. The final 60% of the movie she’s just a prop to move the plot along.
Or, lets be honest here, he is never fixed. Although that just proves the fiction narrative that the woman fixes the problems when in all actuality, it didn't
the first kiss in the kitchen after he agreed to let her move in was hands down one of the worst, awkward, weird kisses I have ever seen. wtf was that? why wasn't he moving? also why were his muscle so tense and why did he make a fist? was he planning on punching her?
That's gross, but yeah. They don't seem sexually attracted to each other at all. I would say that they seem like they would just be good friends with each other, but they don't even seem like they would be anything more than acquaintances! It feels like the casting directors just picked the people that they found most attractive from the auditions and said "Now kiss" 😅
About the trauma fetishing point: yes. Yes it is. And it's not just "straight, white men" either. Yaoi has it a lot. Anime has it a lot and in anime most characters are Japanese. There's a long-ass history of fetishizing MALE trauma. And I do specify male trauma, because female trauma is treated veeeery differently in writings and stories. It's the idea of "oh, i'm a good woman/man and I can fix him!" thing.
Don't even remind me of those 90s/2000s BL that made me wanna gouge my eyes out. So much rape and romantization of that trauma. I avoid that problematic stuff like the plague. Luckily nowdays it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. It even improved a lot when it comes to the variety of stories and characters. And even if there is rape,it's handled with care and dignity,treated as such,a trauma. When I do run into a fetishized one,it's game over.
Yessss I just commented about how bad it is in yaoi too before seeing this comment. It’s so weird. It’s used as an excuse a lot too. The rampant SA is a whole other thing too…
Hey there is an anime called given ,if you have watched it would you say it fetishizes trauma I don't think it does but I don't know much about stuff like this so I could be wrong,it is a gay anime
@@rini9325 i don't think so because it does have a somewhat accurate depiction of how.....affect people around them. Also in the manga, there's more context about that whole situation which i find really accurate
on the "trauma trope": girl it IS very icky. Directors, writers etc. (not all of course) use trauma as a tool for an easy way to make the lead male "flawed"/not so perfect as he seems, which is VERY wrong. Trauma is tossed around like a pizza and is treated/talked about as it is like dropping an ice cream on the street when you were 5 years old. I feel like it completely belittles the problem when real people HAVE IT. It completely dehumanizes both the character in question and those in real life who DO HAVE the problem that's "talked about"
Agreed. I also feel like the trauma these characters experience is simplified and treated like a “phase” in their life that they just get over. There’s also never scenes or talk in these movies about these characters getting therapy or seeing like a psychologist for their trauma. Just the 😺 power that heals all.
I think it can be written right. The problem is, so many shitty writers think they can do it right when they can't. As somebody with some serious childhood issues, I don't think they understand you can't "fix," trauma. It's something that's always there and that's always going to be there. You can have a romantic partner that stays by your side, supports you and helps you power through. But there is no romance in the trauma itself. Edit: and like Doxxma said as well, it's taken so lightheartedly that people irl are starting to use it as a "quirky" thing or play it down like it isn't that bad. Authors need to cut that shit out. Like I said you can't just get over it. The only thing you can learn to do is live and cope with it.
The sad thing is, is that trauma can be and HAS been written well: all that it takes is not fetishizing/romanticizing it (or if characters are doing so in-universe, then make sure that the narrative shows that this line of thinking is wrong/detrimental), and showing actual consequences to the trauma. Show triggers, night terrors, lingering shifts in personality and behaviour/habits, mood swings, strained and broken relationships, unhealthy coping mechanisms (and again, DON'T romanticize them!), and of course, show the afflicted trying to heal from their traumas if possible (ex: therapy, healthy self-regulation, etc.). Above all else, do your research if you plan to explore and portray experiences that aren't your own (and even if they are, still do some research - trauma isn't a one-size fits all kind of thing!). And see if you can receive input from those that have gone through similar experiences.
The whole thing of “fetishizing people because of their mental illnesses or their trauma” is a real issue. Like for example, how some boys will say “I’ll only date girls who have daddy issues.” Or some girls will be like “I’ll date some bRoKeN boy to try to fix them” trope. And “normal” people think that having childhood trauma is so cool and trendy when its really not. Don’t know where I’m going with this but since Kennie brought it up I just wanted to talk about this ksjlsksllsljsk Edit: I’m referring to the fictional troops not people who actually suffer from mental illnesses and/ or trauma
I guarentee you the men who say “I only date girls who have daddy issues,” just want a woman to manipulate and believe daddy issues makes us somehow more “moldable.” Like if anything boy, it just taught us the real truth; men ain’t shit.
The guys who say they wanna date girls with daddy issues are probably control freaks. They prefer vulnerable girls because they’re easier to control and abuse. Not to mention how creepy it is to say that smh
Oh it totally is, it's like some kind of misery tourism for relationships--it's more "meaningful" because of the trauma, not because of the hard work of dealing with trauma or anything but because trauma is "meaningful."
i do NOT like the whole “i was abused as a child and i am a dark, troubled person now” because in these movies, it completely is saying that trauma makes people shitty. most abused people do not turn around and abuse others, it’s so horrible to insinuate that like these movies do.
Right!? Most of my friends have CPTSD (for those that don't know it's a type of PTSD you get from a prolonged traumatic environment versus one traumatic event, eg child abuse) and they're balls of sunshine. Not to say we don't struggle with a lot of dark, difficult feelings but in terms of our behaviour, a lot of us are just trying to be as kind as possible to people because we don't want anyone to suffer like we suffered. My friends are the kind of people who go above and beyond to try to accommodate people's dietary requirements (eg I live in the UK so it's common to offer black tea when you go to someone's home but I can't have caffeine and they'll like apologise profusely for not having herbal tea but it's like, hey you didn't know it's fine! But the next time I go they'll have a box of peppermint or something), to be good hosts and make sure people have exactly what they need to be comfortable, they give content warnings before mentioning aspects of their own trauma so others aren't triggered by it, they collect buttons and patches for their jackets and get really intense interests in things like mushrooms. They're sweet, loving people. Not brooding brutes.
I love how at 15:30 you can see Kennie going through all the 7 stages of grief in 15 seconds. At first, she's disappointed and mortified then you can just see the little amount of hope for humanity in her eyes dwindle away.
It’s quite disturbing the fetishization of male trauma, like in 50 shades where Christian was groomed and raped by the older lady and everyone really glosses over the consequences of that and just uses it as “wow, he is so damaged, he need a woman to fix him”
Can we just have a male romantic lead who has had trauma, but actually seeing a therapist and it's actually helping him recover? Or one who has worked out his issues beforehand? I never count on my friends to fix my psychological issues; they help a lot but the issue doesn't go away, and I'm just bipolar, not like the horrific trauma these characters have. Why is this such a thing in romances? And why does it have to be so dramatic? And the same ones? Can't we just have, say, an autistic character if you want to talk about people overcoming their limitations for the sake of love?
I have never for the life of me understood why movies always have characters kissing after vomit likeee, I can help my lover clean up vomit but to KISS IT? If you don’t throw some listerine in that bitch
@@ayannabranchcomb7535 YESS omgg i read books where after the girl vomits like 10 minutes ago, she’s kissing somebody and i’m like “eww wtf go wash your mouth out”
@@babygirlgamerangel444 that used to bother me until I had that experience, and its not so bad when you brush your teeth before bed. Its a little stale but not offputting enough to be an issue. Its gotta be someone you like thought because if not 😂😂😂😂
I miss the good old days when movies were afraid to show physical intimacy of any level and instead would pan up to an open window and some curtains fluttering in the breeze, before fading into the next scene.
Oh how I miss those kind of movies! Personally, I actually think it's even more exicting when I don't see what's going on but have to use my imagination.
I was just thinking that the steamiest sex scene clip was the one in Titanic that just shows Roses’s hand smear the steamed out car window. Such a powerful yet tasteful shot
She absolutely is. What a beautiful face. She has amazing bone structure and mad make-up skills and with her cheerful nature she’s just like, va va voom, I’m in the room, as I say.
Also, if he's supposed to be such a "saint", why would she be "playing with fire" at all? I get that he has trauma from his abusive past, but if he's a "saint" and has the ability to run a successful bar, he should be able to control his feelings enough not to hurt people. If anything, I would think the "saintly" behavior (since it is not shown to be a facade) would make him less of a threat because he chooses to act better than the people in his past and to not hurt innocents. It just doesn't make any sense. It seems that line was just put in for the sex appeal and doesn't really fit the character, which makes me angry. If you can't write a cohesive story like this, just write one-shots and be done with it.
When she said “you’re playing with the hottest fire there is, cupcake” the look on her face made me feel genuinely so sad for her. I’m so sorry Kennie, im so sorry
Bella Swan type beat (remember the honeymoon) that shit was always iffy to me, especially after watching a reaction that called it out; made me realize how much she was pressuring him
it also disturbs me how he treats her when shes drunk... like its not rape or assault but, getting in a shower with a drunk girl who you KNOW is absolutely wasted... i mean at least he doesn't sleep in the bed with her, presumably, but that entire part of the story disturbs me
when you're such a rich white hot girl that you go out of your parents' home and get a job, a cool apartment and a hot boyfriend within the first 2 hours
The thing is, when romance movies want to use trauma, they always end up using a kiddie version of it because doing it for real would take too much screen time from the sex. So you end up with this “teehee he has a wittle bit of twauma ain’t that a fun project” type of trauma, and it’s on tv so often that people think it’s the real thing. So yeah, it’s definitely gentrification of trauma. They stick the name on it, but dumb it way down so it’s not actually scary or undesirable in any way. All bark, no bite.
I really liked your point about the trope of fetishizing trauma. I think it plays into the fantasy that women can "fix" troubled men and it gives a convenient excuse for men to use when they behave badly or are abusive. It's like a weird balancing act - the trauma can't be _too_ scarring otherwise it won't be as "easy" to get over with the "right" woman, but just enough that the partner feels compelled to help or stick around. The more I think about it, the more messed up it is.
One thing that I’m glad about is that it didn’t take every trope from 50 Shades. Like you said, it fetishises abuse, so imagine if it also took the “I was sexually abused” trope from 50 Shades. Not only does it seem to minimise the trauma that men who go through sexual abuse have, but it’s essentially saying “Yeah, you were traumatised by that coochie, but this one’ll fix it.” It really is such a sick trope. I hope any of this made sense.
Everytime I see another "innocent" romance/drama/comedy involving a woman solving all of a man's issues with her love (Beauty & the Beast, Kissing Booth), I die a little. Why? Because that's the example my friends follow right into their toxic relationships. They dump the good guy for the drama and fighting, because "only that's true love". Too many women act as their boyfriend's therapist, mother and caretaker all at once. It's saddening.
It's a trope that can be written well if you do it right. Only thing is, shitty authors don't do it right. I also know that some people write it as a mechanism to cope with their own trauma; I think it's the desire to want to have somebody able to make it magically disappear, and I don't think authors really recognize that hurts more than it helps. If they don't use trauma as the character's whole personality, doesn't use it to excuse shitty behavior, doesn't have anybody "fix," them (helping them cope in times of need is different than fixing), and portray it as something you can just "get over," as somebody with major childhood issues, that is how you can do it right.
@@patch8932 Yeah, I've only recently discovered what good romance writing is through an author who gives her characters emotional issues to overcome in order to have a relationship. That's their arc and conflict. Just like fantasy characters need to master magic, and sci fi characters need to discover a technological solution, good romance characters should need to solve a significant internal problem. But the genre defines the impetus and problem, not the solution. Which is almost always personal growth. The romantic interest is essentially the MacGuffin of that genre. Making them the goal _and_ the means for achieving the goal is bad writing.
while watching Arcane for the first time (highly recommend, btw) I was thinking "why does Vi calling Caitlyn cupcake hit so different there than in that one Passionflix movie" and aside from the fact that it's lesbians I think it's because the two like. knew eachother prior to that. like, Vi wasn't calling the rich girl cop pet names from her jail cell. yknow?
As always: Viewer discretion message: hilarious Intro: representation of everyone's current mental state Movie: disturbing Kennie's review of the movie: entertaining and hilarious Everyone's Saturday: a whole lot better
The fetishization of poverty and trauma in media is a real thing that is becoming so consistent it's a trope, and this movie does gentrify it by using a man that is obviously not from poverty, someone probably had to explain to him what the "projects" are
PSA: If you’re ever in a situation like 11:54 just make sure the person throws up, goes to bed on their side and watch them throughout the night. Clothes, couches, and bedsheets can be washed or replaced. But you cant take back molestation and sexual assault. Trust me. The drunk person will thank you.
Adding to the “trauma trope”, this has and still is affecting the way people react in relationships. The whole notion of “he’s broken but I can fix him. He’s a fucked up individual who is bad to everyone else but good to me” keeps people in toxic relationships because the media has romanticized it for more than a decade now. Issues that should be solved through therapy and professional help, people be using it as a “connection” and reasons to have “passionate sex”. It’s sad but that’s the way it is.
I like that term, "the gentrification of poverty." That's exactly what it is. It's a version of a man who has been tested in life, who's tough, skilled, and experienced enough to deal with real danger, but tamed enough to be comfortable for upper middle class white women to consume.
Not gonna lie but if I was against literally being a part of a business deal without my consent and my parents threatened to cut me off, I would 100% drive my ass to the bank and take out every penny in my account. Doesn’t matter if they cut me off or not anymore since I can just pay in cash.
Exactly!! Like why did she waste so much time getting drunk and ditching her car when she could have emptied her accounts and pawned some stuff to get a nest egg.
She could have even opened up a new account online and transferred the money from the one her parents could access to the new one that just belongs to her.
After hitting the bank, she could have hit expensive designer stores and stocked up on jewelry, expensive shoes, jackets and handbags that she can sell second hand and make bank.
He's damaged goods so he doesn't do relationships but he does do sex. I've noticed if you have the complexion for the protection this type of behavior is glorified. But if you don't then terrible stereotypes will be labeled on you.
Paul Mooney will forever be the best comedian. When I listened to set where he used the phrase "complexion for the protection", I've used it ever since. You're absolutely right. Once you have the complexion for the protection, you get off scot free.
@roni Not to mention there’s a whole ✨ a e s t h e t i c ✨ about “hot serial killers 🤪” which includes not only characters like Jason Vorhees, but also ACTUAL serial killers in the real world. Chile-
It's not just the tropes/trope that bothers me its the fact that REAL PEOPLE who have traumatic experiences are belittled and in fiction they're perfectly healed when they meet someone new who's just a bland person with a normal functioning brain. I won't repeat things others have already said in the comments but the thing is I think it's perfectly fine to have a relationship that centers around helping your lover because there are real relationships like this HOWEVER, to make this realistic the person with pain in question needs to be BETTER not 'CURED' Example: person w/ depression, (all symptoms, hates themselves, puts blame on themselves constantly, feels alone even when they're happy in the moment), depressed person meets s/o.. s/o grows close and finds out abt the depressed person's condition. S/o supports depressed person. S/o does tiny helpful things to give them hope. Depressed person is still depressed but finally feels comfortable telling others. Depressed person gets more support and eventually seeks help. Depressed person still has down days but copes. Is that better or is that better?
"You're playing with the hottest fire there is, cupcake." Your face after you said that was what I felt internally😖😟. Do the directors and producers realise you don't actually have to keep the lines from the books and add them into the movies? Reading them is one thing. Hearing someone say them in their best SeXy AlPhA mAlE whisper is just as bad as someone saying "Are you lost baby girl?" Thinking its swoon worthy when it's NOT😂😂😂! Like I-
marsh ikr😂😂😂. They give massive "TH-cam dating expert" vibes, like those guys who think they know how to attract women or some stupid shit like that😂😂😂
@@nagisa0931 POV: You are Y/N getting sold off to *insert choice of celebrity* where you are likely going to be fucked the minute you step in there. Bonus smut if the person you are sold to are people like BTS or 1D.
When he was like”I like to **** so hard that you’ll scream and be sore the next day.” I had to pause for a minute to really take in all that just happened and how the hell we jumped to this😂😂😂
They don’t have opening credits because nobody wants to take responsibility for this crap. They need the money so the movie gets made, but everyone involved leaves feeling empty inside and with a considerable amount of shame.
As a nurse I have to agree with Saint! The best way to shower a client is to get naked with them and also get into the shower with them. Its evidence based practice that ensures good patient outcomes.
“Tw: Passionflix” Me: thinking of the horror that was the movie afterburn aftershock *remembers how funny Kennie made that movie* Also me: oh this video bout to be entertaining af
That trope you described is basically the fallout of Wuthering Heights being reclassified from Gothic horror to romance when Emily Bronte was revealed to be a woman. How many years later and Heathcliffs are still soaking panties because he's now a romantic lead instead of being viewed as a horrifying and haunted antagonist. Oops!
I never knew that context! Wuthering Heights was one of the first books I read that I absolutely loathed. Cathy was such a weirdo - everyone was a weirdo, basically - but Heathcliff was downright terrifying. He was so unstable and needy and belligerent and just...blech. Almost every page I was staring in disbelief that any of these characters were meant to be at all interesting or charismatic, and later when I learned the book was a ~~literary classic and a ROMANCE (???!) I decided I should just stick with Jane Austen and Zutara fanfic.
Lmao 😆 I feel so attacked right now! I love this book but yes you make an excellent point! Guess it'll be one of my problematic faves. Also I didn't know that after Emily Bronte's identity was revealed they reclassified her book as a "romance" lol what a slap in the face 👀😫!!!
As someone who likes to get a glass of wine and watch awful romance movies while pretending I’m a rich yt woman who hates her husband, this is right up my alley 🧎🏾♀️
As someone who once lived in the suburbs, you have the look down already. Just add in that your oldest son doesn't speak to you that often and you have the whole package lol.
I literally Googled "Asian girl with streaks", and I got the article, "The "Asian Character Hair Streak" Is Real And A Huge Problem. This is going to be a fun afternoon.
@NitroFairyWing they probably were inspired by the japanese harajuku style. But that's still problematic as hell that they had to put east asian characters into that one specific box. Apparently westerners can't see east asian girls being rebellious except if they dyed their hair lol The only time it made sense was when Knives Chau from Scott Pilgrim dyed her hair to copy Ramona.
The lead isn't even attractive, he looks like the guy I knew in high school who spent $200,000 of his dad's inheritance money on a car and was dating an 11 year-old.
I think there's an assumption in a lot of these movies/books that you can't be impoverished, especially deeply impoverished, without also having terrible things done to you as a child. And, to be fair, it's probably more common simply because a lack of money can mean parents have to make difficult decisions that may leave kids more vulnerable than well-off counterparts (think about a parent working multiple jobs, unable to afford traditional childcare, and relying on an acquaintance that may or may not be a suitable caretaker). But it definitely feels rare to see characters with impoverished backgrounds that had non-traumatic childhoods. (Stressful isn't the same thing as traumatic either.)
As someone who does not wear make-up, I will forever be amazed by the amount of effort and artistry and stuff that goes behind it. Like, watching and discussing movies seems to be so much work but the end result is swell.
Rich while family business marriages do still happen in America. My uncle was in one. Like “oh the oldest son of this old money family is marrying the youngest daughter of the biggest oil family after two months of “dating”? And now the two families have a business arrangement? Oh okay. Sounds totally natural.” I mean they are both great. Got a divorce, but are still close friends. She still sends me birthday gifts, and they divorced 20 years before I was even born. Their marriage really was just a business deal for them.
I had that same thought, about the gentrification of trauma. The dark past of the hot cis het white guy from the projects or the wrong side of the tracks, themes of drugs or sex work, single parenthood, etc etc etc it's like taking all these stereotypes of black men and then putting them on a white man and suddenly going "OH IT"S HOT NOW". And then you get into the romantacization of trauma itself, gotta love that.... Inisidious, yes. You picked the perfect word for it.
@@Monochrome_11 they’re sister genres. Shifters are usually guys who turn into monsters of some kind (werewolf, werecat, were + some animal) like, furry for romance novel readers XD quite popular recently. You can see where there is some crossover depending on what the author wants to focus one.
@@alexiabeatriz00 I've seen a couple of other authors do something similar where the love interest assigns a weird term of endearment the second they meet the protagonist. Finding out that they were taking their cues from Twilight explains a lot about the rest of the writing. :(
@@RectPropagation I absolutely hate it when characters in stories have very specific nicknames/pet names that aren't well explained. Especially when it's between characters that don't know each other. Depending when and where the story is set and who is speaking, I can see someone calling a stranger a more generic pet name like sweetie/sugar/honey/dear/love, but not anything like cupcake. Calling a stranger that sounds so freaking creepy. Not to mention that it seems like a hallmark for bad writing since it shows that author is so lazy they can't take two seconds to explain where the nickname came from or write it into the story. Edit: Looking back, they do explain the nickname, but it doesn't make sense so I guess tge point stands. "Cupcake" does not correlate with being a lightweight. At least have it be because of something logical. Maybe he calls her that because she's small and sweet? IDK, but anything else but what we got would probably be better.
Omg yes the trauma trope but also like you ALSO said, like a safe, attractive like love interest to go with that trauma and poverty. Like, if he "looked" like he came from poverty or also wasn't an attractive, light or white man it wouldn't be a trait that's considered sexy or fun or spicy. Then it's just undesirable. It has to be "trauma in someone i would like". Yuck!
The utter craziness of seeing screenplays similar to the fanfics you used to read/write as a teenager getting produced and released. If all the fanfic writers of the olden days were brought up in this generation, we'd all be getting paid for this mess 😭
*conventionally attractive criminal who is extremely rich and suffers ANGST but not in any other way. (Physical scars optional, physical disabilities are too far)
A few thoughts on the "trauma is sexy" trope. There is some strange ideology that trauma makes you better in bed due to having repressed issues that don't have any other "outlet". It's not just a trope seen in these types of movies, we see it in other popular media with the idealization of girls with daddy issues and other such ideas. Like you said, I'm not sure quite what conclusion to draw from these observations but thanks for giving me a place to share :)
I agree with you, Kennie. Romance books and films have an obsession with giving male leads traumatic backgrounds. Most of the time their trauma will always involve a older women, either as the one who grooms/abuses him or the rich mother who abandoned them, had issues with drugs, or commited su*cide. Sorry for the long rant but when you said that it got me thinking. Great video as usual and love your jersey.
I have many things to say about this one 1. Kennie's eyeshadow is so mesmerizing I couldn't take my eyes off it 2. there is nothing romantic or sexy about someone throwing up on themself. Why would ANYONES next move after witnessing that be to get super close and sensual with them ??? 3. I'm learning more about codependency via therapy and this guys need to "fix" everything just threw up red flags for me. so does the trope of the main character "fixing" their traumatized love interest. 4. there definitely is something to be said about how trauma is romanticized in fiction, especially in romance and erotica. there's plenty of other comments talking about how unhealthy this is so I'll focus on more specific stuff. If this sort of situation happened in real life, the traumatized person's partner would just get frustrated when they aren't able to "fix" them and cure their trauma or mental illness. also if this is this guys first time ever talking about his past and traumas with someone, he should definitely be showing some emotion, crying, choking on his words, all that. Its kind of unsettling how in these movies when the man talks about his traumatic childhood they remain as stone faced and attractive as ever as if they're talking about what to have for dinner or something. 5. I'm so excited for next week holy shit that movie looks so bad I can't wait
I already realized in the last Mean Girl 2 video that Kennie would be such a cool friend in like a high school friend group, but that advice on the cocktail names really makes me wanna have a college friend like Kennie - or BE that friend, cause y'all know she's amazing!
I wonder if in the book him calling her cupcake worked better. I can't ever imagine it actually working, but at least working better. Cuz I feel like in the book they had it playful and light and he just not carry that at all
This is very irrelevant but I'm interested to know how many movies on Passionflix include POC as main characters, as opposed to two cis white people who are "struggling"
Also yeah, the trauma fetish is really heavy in “romance” stories. It’s hella prevalent in yaoi/yuri/LGBT media in particular it seems. Oh they’re an awful person who treats the protagonist like garbage? But they have ✨ trauma ✨
bad movies n a beat seems to be my go to comfort series, for years now. ill just come to your channel and click on random ones till i find one i havent seen yet, or seen in awhile (cause sometimes i forget to like them IM SORRY.) there's also those times im looking for a specific video cause i just crave the chaos.. ANYWAYS, thank you, bless you, ily, i wish you nothing but the best, all that jazz ok im done.
IDK why but the title screen is messed up no matter what I do...? So the TW:// Passionflix. That's plenty of info lmfaooo. CC to be updated soon (hopefully before the day is out.)
typically, a // denotes a paragraph break (aka "press enter"). idk if software will detect this and create one tho
#2 can u do legally blondes or legally blonde 2 next pls😁
PLEASE FINISH FIFTY SHADES MOVIES! 😫😏😅
Do you like musicals?
i mean :// is appropriate so
It’s so weird to see people actually act out Wattpad or fanfiction stories. Like this was only meant to be on paper
not even paper, the depths of the internet lol
@@alexlu_ LMFAO FR
If i'm reading these anywhere else than my phone we are on a dark timeline.
I know for a damn fact I want my Wattpad fics to STAY ON WATTPAD TF AIN'T NO DAMN WAY THAT SHIT IS GETTING PUBLISHED OR GETTING A MOVIE DEAL LIKE WHAT--
same energy as watching hentai in a english.... you feel bad for the actors
When rich kids run away why don’t they take valuable shit and not be dumb about it😭😭like I’d grab anything that has value and take that shit straight to the pawn shop
Cause they got to "make it on their own" while riding off the backs of the low to middle class 🙄🤣
right like whyyyyy didn't she go straight to the bank and get the max amount of cash out-- these movies make zero sense lmfao
Right? I was like, "Just sell the car!"
@@WriterGirl719 yes! I was like no!! Don’t dump the car sell it!
LMAOOOOOOO
"Is he a good guy....?? Or just *not* a rapist?" The bar is indeed low, allll around lol
When she said that I was thinking to myself that the bar is in hell! 😂 Why is basic human decency a selling point and not just the standard?
i just want a romance movie where the dude is covered in scars and when the protagonist asks about it hes like "yeah my sister told me not to fight that raccoon but i was stupid and here we are"
I'm screaming this would be amazing
I wrote a scene where a girl was like omg where did you get those burn scars? "Never cook bacon without a shirt on." So anticlimactic but seriously grease spatter hurts like a mf
@@bluehydrangea5506 honestly.
"Who did this to you?!"
"Jenny"
"Your mother?"
"No, my cat"
@@bluehydrangea5506 How much better would Fifty Shades of Grey have been if Anna woke up to Christian screaming in pain since, as a posh boy, he has no idea how to cook and has burned himself with bacon grease?
Re: Gentrification of poverty - They're never poor in a way that leaves marks or matters to their character beyond tragic backstory. They grew up poor but they're in perfect health**. They grew up poor but it doesn't affect their relationship with money (or food, shelter, clothing, etc.). They grew up poor but the only debt they have is the made up one the villain comes at them with. They grew up poor but supporting their other poor family members financially never comes up OR the other poor family members who want money are cast as villains. They grew up poor but they're definitely not poor now, they got a job and apparently that solves all your problems. Lingering effects of poverty, what?
**Except for the trauma but that has the same problems as the poverty back story. They have trauma but it's never discussed in terms of actual mental illness. They have trauma but it never manifests as anything other than vague sadness, jealousy, and/or controlling behavior. (Well, there was that one movie where the guy threatened suicide in order to force the girl to come back to him but that falls under controlling behavior.) They never have something like anxiety or phobias because those aren't 'sexy'. And they can't have anything like schizophrenia because only those mental illnesses are strictly for villains in fiction.
Fucking this.
YES
this entire comment>>>
you probably write amazing essays cause wow
Exactly 💯 it's so unrealistic it's upsetting.
In addition to the fetishized trauma I noticed something else that’s super common. These relationship stories almost exclusively follow the arc of “curing the broken man” and the movie ends ONLY when he’s fixed. It never matters what the woman wanted outside of the relationship. Her arc/ growth is finished the first time they kiss or have sex. Cool done. No need to explore her any further. The final 60% of the movie she’s just a prop to move the plot along.
Now that you mention it, that's very accurate....yikes
Or, lets be honest here, he is never fixed. Although that just proves the fiction narrative that the woman fixes the problems when in all actuality, it didn't
You said it perfectly 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
THIS! I noticed this since I was a teen reading random romance novels and I always asked myself "So, who's going to "fix" the woman?".
So basically every Hollywood romance movie, only the gender is reversed?
Something about men referring to women as food in these movies deeply wounds my soul 😮💨
It's even worse in real life. I've had too many stories of my skin being referred to chocolate.
they be trying to normalize cannibalism 🙄
An attempt to dehumanise women
@@sseraphim2818 If I had a dollar for every time someone referred to me as mocha I'd have enough money to buy a gun and shoot their ass
Your icon photo is gorgeous. I'd thats you,you're so pretty
I’ve never seen two people with LESS chemistry than these two leads. They give off siblings vibes lmao
EWW
the first kiss in the kitchen after he agreed to let her move in was hands down one of the worst, awkward, weird kisses I have ever seen. wtf was that? why wasn't he moving? also why were his muscle so tense and why did he make a fist? was he planning on punching her?
That's gross, but yeah. They don't seem sexually attracted to each other at all.
I would say that they seem like they would just be good friends with each other, but they don't even seem like they would be anything more than acquaintances!
It feels like the casting directors just picked the people that they found most attractive from the auditions and said "Now kiss" 😅
Well, there is 50 shades. Not even siblings vibe or anything
About the trauma fetishing point: yes. Yes it is. And it's not just "straight, white men" either. Yaoi has it a lot. Anime has it a lot and in anime most characters are Japanese. There's a long-ass history of fetishizing MALE trauma. And I do specify male trauma, because female trauma is treated veeeery differently in writings and stories. It's the idea of "oh, i'm a good woman/man and I can fix him!" thing.
Don't even remind me of those 90s/2000s BL that made me wanna gouge my eyes out. So much rape and romantization of that trauma. I avoid that problematic stuff like the plague. Luckily nowdays it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. It even improved a lot when it comes to the variety of stories and characters. And even if there is rape,it's handled with care and dignity,treated as such,a trauma. When I do run into a fetishized one,it's game over.
Yessss I just commented about how bad it is in yaoi too before seeing this comment. It’s so weird. It’s used as an excuse a lot too. The rampant SA is a whole other thing too…
Hey there is an anime called given ,if you have watched it would you say it fetishizes trauma I don't think it does but I don't know much about stuff like this so I could be wrong,it is a gay anime
@@rini9325 I don’t think it does. Plus the songs are bops. 👌🏻
@@rini9325 i don't think so because it does have a somewhat accurate depiction of how.....affect people around them. Also in the manga, there's more context about that whole situation which i find really accurate
on the "trauma trope": girl it IS very icky. Directors, writers etc. (not all of course) use trauma as a tool for an easy way to make the lead male "flawed"/not so perfect as he seems, which is VERY wrong. Trauma is tossed around like a pizza and is treated/talked about as it is like dropping an ice cream on the street when you were 5 years old. I feel like it completely belittles the problem when real people HAVE IT. It completely dehumanizes both the character in question and those in real life who DO HAVE the problem that's "talked about"
Agreed. I also feel like the trauma these characters experience is simplified and treated like a “phase” in their life that they just get over. There’s also never scenes or talk in these movies about these characters getting therapy or seeing like a psychologist for their trauma. Just the 😺 power that heals all.
@@eunbis_rubi yeah, it's just treated like a slight inconvenience, but nO wOrRiEs the p**sy is the solution to all of your problems 🙄
I think it can be written right. The problem is, so many shitty writers think they can do it right when they can't. As somebody with some serious childhood issues, I don't think they understand you can't "fix," trauma. It's something that's always there and that's always going to be there. You can have a romantic partner that stays by your side, supports you and helps you power through. But there is no romance in the trauma itself.
Edit: and like Doxxma said as well, it's taken so lightheartedly that people irl are starting to use it as a "quirky" thing or play it down like it isn't that bad. Authors need to cut that shit out. Like I said you can't just get over it. The only thing you can learn to do is live and cope with it.
I'm not opposed to a character with a dark past but it's used as a tool to justify their shitty actions so much that it's annoying.
The sad thing is, is that trauma can be and HAS been written well: all that it takes is not fetishizing/romanticizing it (or if characters are doing so in-universe, then make sure that the narrative shows that this line of thinking is wrong/detrimental), and showing actual consequences to the trauma. Show triggers, night terrors, lingering shifts in personality and behaviour/habits, mood swings, strained and broken relationships, unhealthy coping mechanisms (and again, DON'T romanticize them!), and of course, show the afflicted trying to heal from their traumas if possible (ex: therapy, healthy self-regulation, etc.).
Above all else, do your research if you plan to explore and portray experiences that aren't your own (and even if they are, still do some research - trauma isn't a one-size fits all kind of thing!). And see if you can receive input from those that have gone through similar experiences.
The whole thing of “fetishizing people because of their mental illnesses or their trauma” is a real issue. Like for example, how some boys will say “I’ll only date girls who have daddy issues.” Or some girls will be like “I’ll date some bRoKeN boy to try to fix them” trope. And “normal” people think that having childhood trauma is so cool and trendy when its really not. Don’t know where I’m going with this but since Kennie brought it up I just wanted to talk about this ksjlsksllsljsk
Edit: I’m referring to the fictional troops not people who actually suffer from mental illnesses and/ or trauma
you are so fucking right
Rightttt like there are so many books / movies that have that trope and thats messed up actually
I guarentee you the men who say “I only date girls who have daddy issues,” just want a woman to manipulate and believe daddy issues makes us somehow more “moldable.” Like if anything boy, it just taught us the real truth; men ain’t shit.
The guys who say they wanna date girls with daddy issues are probably control freaks. They prefer vulnerable girls because they’re easier to control and abuse. Not to mention how creepy it is to say that smh
Oh it totally is, it's like some kind of misery tourism for relationships--it's more "meaningful" because of the trauma, not because of the hard work of dealing with trauma or anything but because trauma is "meaningful."
i do NOT like the whole “i was abused as a child and i am a dark, troubled person now” because in these movies, it completely is saying that trauma makes people shitty. most abused people do not turn around and abuse others, it’s so horrible to insinuate that like these movies do.
Exactly! Portraying it in this way, which is far too common, is just utterly ridiculous.
Right!? Most of my friends have CPTSD (for those that don't know it's a type of PTSD you get from a prolonged traumatic environment versus one traumatic event, eg child abuse) and they're balls of sunshine. Not to say we don't struggle with a lot of dark, difficult feelings but in terms of our behaviour, a lot of us are just trying to be as kind as possible to people because we don't want anyone to suffer like we suffered. My friends are the kind of people who go above and beyond to try to accommodate people's dietary requirements (eg I live in the UK so it's common to offer black tea when you go to someone's home but I can't have caffeine and they'll like apologise profusely for not having herbal tea but it's like, hey you didn't know it's fine! But the next time I go they'll have a box of peppermint or something), to be good hosts and make sure people have exactly what they need to be comfortable, they give content warnings before mentioning aspects of their own trauma so others aren't triggered by it, they collect buttons and patches for their jackets and get really intense interests in things like mushrooms. They're sweet, loving people. Not brooding brutes.
Man that sounds like Christian grays p
@@AM-kr4pv exactly! And might I add that your friends just sound so lovely!
That's good to know.
Edit : as a person who doesn't want to scar people the way I have been
I love how at 15:30 you can see Kennie going through all the 7 stages of grief in 15 seconds. At first, she's disappointed and mortified then you can just see the little amount of hope for humanity in her eyes dwindle away.
Sound like me when I watch a passionflop movie
I just lost it🤣🤣🤣
@@insomnia5448 PASSIONFLOP YESS
Lol, I was just about to say this! Like that is the most STRESSED I have ever seen Miss Kennie XD
It’s quite disturbing the fetishization of male trauma, like in 50 shades where Christian was groomed and raped by the older lady and everyone really glosses over the consequences of that and just uses it as “wow, he is so damaged, he need a woman to fix him”
Can we just have a male romantic lead who has had trauma, but actually seeing a therapist and it's actually helping him recover? Or one who has worked out his issues beforehand? I never count on my friends to fix my psychological issues; they help a lot but the issue doesn't go away, and I'm just bipolar, not like the horrific trauma these characters have.
Why is this such a thing in romances? And why does it have to be so dramatic? And the same ones? Can't we just have, say, an autistic character if you want to talk about people overcoming their limitations for the sake of love?
as someone who was literally abused by someone who'd burn me with cigarettes... _imagine how tired we are._ sighs.
I hope you are doing much more better now! 💗
If you wanna message me/talk, I’m here.
@@aeshaabdulla4206 Thank you! And fortunately yes, much much better these days. You're too kind aw. 💗
i’m so sorry. hope ur doing better now love
❤️❤️❤️
She all up in his face with that throw-up breath, I would’ve stiff-armed her like “girl 6ft...uhhh” 😂
I had the exact same thought. Ain't nothing smexy about rancid vomit breath.
I have never for the life of me understood why movies always have characters kissing after vomit likeee, I can help my lover clean up vomit but to KISS IT? If you don’t throw some listerine in that bitch
@@ayannabranchcomb7535 YESS omgg i read books where after the girl vomits like 10 minutes ago, she’s kissing somebody and i’m like “eww wtf go wash your mouth out”
lmao i have a similar feeling with people in media kissing after just waking up bc morning breath is just violent like come on 😭😭
@@babygirlgamerangel444 that used to bother me until I had that experience, and its not so bad when you brush your teeth before bed. Its a little stale but not offputting enough to be an issue. Its gotta be someone you like thought because if not 😂😂😂😂
I miss the good old days when movies were afraid to show physical intimacy of any level and instead would pan up to an open window and some curtains fluttering in the breeze, before fading into the next scene.
Give us the fade aways with the billowing curtains back 😩
Yeah...
Oh how I miss those kind of movies! Personally, I actually think it's even more exicting when I don't see what's going on but have to use my imagination.
Love a sex scene fade away... Iconic cinematography.
I was just thinking that the steamiest sex scene clip was the one in Titanic that just shows Roses’s hand smear the steamed out car window. Such a powerful yet tasteful shot
Hearing about these kind of movies strengthens my asexual identity 🙏
Loool same
SAME
Bruh. It kinda makes me wish I didn't experience sexual attraction. Everyone is just atrocious
Mine too 😂💜
Ace pride!!
When Kennie said "Dirty, sexy-"
I got a FEBREEZE ad
Could be worse, I got got a hard cut to talking meercats!
We need to appreciate how gorgeous Kennie is like?!?!
Right?!?
She absolutely is. What a beautiful face. She has amazing bone structure and mad make-up skills and with her cheerful nature she’s just like, va va voom, I’m in the room, as I say.
She’s literally one of my crushes
She is very pretty.
@@mihawk508 samee
The entire time they were making out in the kitchen all I could think was, "ewww. She hasn't brushed her teeth and she threw up last night. "
EXACTLY. That's disgusting
Ewwww 🤢🤢🤢
@@Firespawnable Right?!
Don't be squeamish hahaha. We're all just walking meatsacks of squish anyway!
Right! It hit me when they were in the shower. Like why is he so close and she just threw up?!
14:00 is such a mood. “You’re playing with the hottest fire there is, cupcake” has major are you lost baby gorl vibes 🤢🤢🤢
thanks for the timestamp, this moment is iconic and resonant lol
"Gorl" 😂😭
@@jesusisgodislove9912 gorl... lol
Also, if he's supposed to be such a "saint", why would she be "playing with fire" at all? I get that he has trauma from his abusive past, but if he's a "saint" and has the ability to run a successful bar, he should be able to control his feelings enough not to hurt people. If anything, I would think the "saintly" behavior (since it is not shown to be a facade) would make him less of a threat because he chooses to act better than the people in his past and to not hurt innocents. It just doesn't make any sense. It seems that line was just put in for the sex appeal and doesn't really fit the character, which makes me angry. If you can't write a cohesive story like this, just write one-shots and be done with it.
@@angygremlin4423 yep exactly lol the character 'development' is so jarring in this that it's just nonsensical
When she said “you’re playing with the hottest fire there is, cupcake” the look on her face made me feel genuinely so sad for her. I’m so sorry Kennie, im so sorry
The explanation of him calling her cupcake because she's a lightweight makes NO SENSE. WHO SAYS THAT?
Yeah wouldn’t it have made more sense to just say “lightweight” or maybe even “feather”?
The fact that she kissed him without his consent and basically begged him for sex disturbs me smh
yeah. coercion is not okay 😕 you shouldn't have to beg or wear someone down for them to sleep with you
Bella Swan type beat (remember the honeymoon) that shit was always iffy to me, especially after watching a reaction that called it out; made me realize how much she was pressuring him
@@Ashley-Lopez right ,it’s so weird
it also disturbs me how he treats her when shes drunk... like its not rape or assault but, getting in a shower with a drunk girl who you KNOW is absolutely wasted... i mean at least he doesn't sleep in the bed with her, presumably, but that entire part of the story disturbs me
@@anti_fragile I know I thought about that too , like who does that. People really love to romanticize the wrong things smh 🤦🏾♀️
Honestly with Dirty Sexy Saint I was expecting a sexy nun... I'm disappointed lol
SAME
Same, and I'm deeply disappointed and offended.
Don't worry, I'll draw one for you!
I was expexting sexy preist😭 we got NEITHER
when you're such a rich white hot girl that you go out of your parents' home and get a job, a cool apartment and a hot boyfriend within the first 2 hours
I find it admirable in a way
As if, if this was real life, Saint whould call the police or kick her out.
It's literally like the plot of an Episode game lmao
Yeah that would never happen to a broke ugly girl 🤣
And don’t forget, *privileged*
The thing is, when romance movies want to use trauma, they always end up using a kiddie version of it because doing it for real would take too much screen time from the sex. So you end up with this “teehee he has a wittle bit of twauma ain’t that a fun project” type of trauma, and it’s on tv so often that people think it’s the real thing.
So yeah, it’s definitely gentrification of trauma. They stick the name on it, but dumb it way down so it’s not actually scary or undesirable in any way. All bark, no bite.
Saint: “You’re playing with the hottest fire there is, cupcake”
Me: must be 350 degrees
"Is he a good guy or just not a rapist" XD
This line is everything
God, the bar is set SO low, lol.
@@sadtitties222 I know right you know the standard is low when he's portrayed as a good guy just for not raping her 🙄
I really liked your point about the trope of fetishizing trauma. I think it plays into the fantasy that women can "fix" troubled men and it gives a convenient excuse for men to use when they behave badly or are abusive. It's like a weird balancing act - the trauma can't be _too_ scarring otherwise it won't be as "easy" to get over with the "right" woman, but just enough that the partner feels compelled to help or stick around. The more I think about it, the more messed up it is.
One thing that I’m glad about is that it didn’t take every trope from 50 Shades. Like you said, it fetishises abuse, so imagine if it also took the “I was sexually abused” trope from 50 Shades. Not only does it seem to minimise the trauma that men who go through sexual abuse have, but it’s essentially saying “Yeah, you were traumatised by that coochie, but this one’ll fix it.” It really is such a sick trope. I hope any of this made sense.
Everytime I see another "innocent" romance/drama/comedy involving a woman solving all of a man's issues with her love (Beauty & the Beast, Kissing Booth), I die a little. Why? Because that's the example my friends follow right into their toxic relationships. They dump the good guy for the drama and fighting, because "only that's true love". Too many women act as their boyfriend's therapist, mother and caretaker all at once. It's saddening.
It's a trope that can be written well if you do it right. Only thing is, shitty authors don't do it right. I also know that some people write it as a mechanism to cope with their own trauma; I think it's the desire to want to have somebody able to make it magically disappear, and I don't think authors really recognize that hurts more than it helps. If they don't use trauma as the character's whole personality, doesn't use it to excuse shitty behavior, doesn't have anybody "fix," them (helping them cope in times of need is different than fixing), and portray it as something you can just "get over," as somebody with major childhood issues, that is how you can do it right.
@@patch8932 Yeah, I've only recently discovered what good romance writing is through an author who gives her characters emotional issues to overcome in order to have a relationship. That's their arc and conflict. Just like fantasy characters need to master magic, and sci fi characters need to discover a technological solution, good romance characters should need to solve a significant internal problem. But the genre defines the impetus and problem, not the solution. Which is almost always personal growth. The romantic interest is essentially the MacGuffin of that genre. Making them the goal _and_ the means for achieving the goal is bad writing.
It's so manipulative omg
Yes there is a fetish for trauma. Have you ever had to write a scholarship essay or a personal statement? 🙄
while watching Arcane for the first time (highly recommend, btw) I was thinking "why does Vi calling Caitlyn cupcake hit so different there than in that one Passionflix movie" and aside from the fact that it's lesbians I think it's because the two like. knew eachother prior to that. like, Vi wasn't calling the rich girl cop pet names from her jail cell. yknow?
The ✨moment✨ Kennie said "arranged marriage" I literally said out loud "Wattpad! Wattpad! Wattpad!" 😂
As always:
Viewer discretion message: hilarious
Intro: representation of everyone's current mental state
Movie: disturbing
Kennie's review of the movie: entertaining and hilarious
Everyone's Saturday: a whole lot better
Hotel: Trivago
Pretty much 😂✋
there is no lie here
i see no lies here
The fetishization of poverty and trauma in media is a real thing that is becoming so consistent it's a trope, and this movie does gentrify it by using a man that is obviously not from poverty, someone probably had to explain to him what the "projects" are
White savior complex as well
honestly, was it ever not a trope? feel like these has been around for soo so long its ridiculous
a tell as old as time. fresh prince old
PSA: If you’re ever in a situation like 11:54 just make sure the person throws up, goes to bed on their side and watch them throughout the night. Clothes, couches, and bedsheets can be washed or replaced. But you cant take back molestation and sexual assault. Trust me. The drunk person will thank you.
Adding to the “trauma trope”, this has and still is affecting the way people react in relationships. The whole notion of “he’s broken but I can fix him. He’s a fucked up individual who is bad to everyone else but good to me” keeps people in toxic relationships because the media has romanticized it for more than a decade now. Issues that should be solved through therapy and professional help, people be using it as a “connection” and reasons to have “passionate sex”. It’s sad but that’s the way it is.
I like that term, "the gentrification of poverty." That's exactly what it is. It's a version of a man who has been tested in life, who's tough, skilled, and experienced enough to deal with real danger, but tamed enough to be comfortable for upper middle class white women to consume.
Not gonna lie but if I was against literally being a part of a business deal without my consent and my parents threatened to cut me off, I would 100% drive my ass to the bank and take out every penny in my account. Doesn’t matter if they cut me off or not anymore since I can just pay in cash.
Fr I would’ve went to that bank with quickness
Exactly!! Like why did she waste so much time getting drunk and ditching her car when she could have emptied her accounts and pawned some stuff to get a nest egg.
She could have even opened up a new account online and transferred the money from the one her parents could access to the new one that just belongs to her.
After hitting the bank, she could have hit expensive designer stores and stocked up on jewelry, expensive shoes, jackets and handbags that she can sell second hand and make bank.
@@nataschavisser573 Honestly, who cares about being too good for "dirty money". She would've made a killing on Depop
He's damaged goods so he doesn't do relationships but he does do sex. I've noticed if you have the complexion for the protection this type of behavior is glorified. But if you don't then terrible stereotypes will be labeled on you.
Paul Mooney will forever be the best comedian. When I listened to set where he used the phrase "complexion for the protection", I've used it ever since. You're absolutely right. Once you have the complexion for the protection, you get off scot free.
@@sseraphim2818 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
No no let's talk about that
RIP Paul Mooney
@roni Not to mention there’s a whole ✨ a e s t h e t i c ✨ about “hot serial killers 🤪” which includes not only characters like Jason Vorhees, but also ACTUAL serial killers in the real world. Chile-
The trope is like a way to negate white privilege by the guy being "edgy" and/or "damaged" but still have him be white cis and rich
YUPP
He still has white privelege regardless
@@Volzotran oh yeah 100% its just a weird trope a lot of these movies have, my wording wasn't the best
It's not just the tropes/trope that bothers me its the fact that REAL PEOPLE who have traumatic experiences are belittled and in fiction they're perfectly healed when they meet someone new who's just a bland person with a normal functioning brain. I won't repeat things others have already said in the comments but the thing is I think it's perfectly fine to have a relationship that centers around helping your lover because there are real relationships like this HOWEVER, to make this realistic the person with pain in question needs to be BETTER not 'CURED'
Example: person w/ depression, (all symptoms, hates themselves, puts blame on themselves constantly, feels alone even when they're happy in the moment), depressed person meets s/o.. s/o grows close and finds out abt the depressed person's condition. S/o supports depressed person. S/o does tiny helpful things to give them hope. Depressed person is still depressed but finally feels comfortable telling others. Depressed person gets more support and eventually seeks help. Depressed person still has down days but copes.
Is that better or is that better?
There's a webtoon like that called "Heartstopper" it's a bl and the main guy doesn't have depression but i think is good ( Sorry for my english lmao)
I'd read the shit out of that!
"You're playing with the hottest fire there is, cupcake."
Your face after you said that was what I felt internally😖😟. Do the directors and producers realise you don't actually have to keep the lines from the books and add them into the movies? Reading them is one thing. Hearing someone say them in their best SeXy AlPhA mAlE whisper is just as bad as someone saying "Are you lost baby girl?" Thinking its swoon worthy when it's NOT😂😂😂! Like I-
Right bruh but I hate when mfs refer to themselves as an alpha male like bruh you ain't a wolf
Dudes: I'm an ALPHA male
Wolves: sorry, we dont claim him
@@cam4636 so your a wolf
marsh ikr😂😂😂. They give massive "TH-cam dating expert" vibes, like those guys who think they know how to attract women or some stupid shit like that😂😂😂
@@cam4636 omg😂😂😂
Kennie: pawning her off-
Me: oh god the wattpad memories are coming back
Yes! There was always some Stockholm romance bs on Wattpad. I ate that shit up in high school 😅
@@shaunzee1317 there was so much
Especially with 1D
Parent: “Daughter! I’m selling you”
Daughter: *suprised pickachu face* “for how much? Daughter exclaims?
Parent: “I’m selling you for 99c.
Daughter: *gasps*
@@nagisa0931 POV: You are Y/N getting sold off to *insert choice of celebrity* where you are likely going to be fucked the minute you step in there. Bonus smut if the person you are sold to are people like BTS or 1D.
@@reiyujigo bonus bouns if a member of the band leaves after fighting over you
the guy literally looks like when authors would dream cast the male characters on wattpad and then the girl dream casted would be lily collins lol
@@pvdm4684 or Barbara Palvin, and then they had the audacity to pretend that everyone would hate them since they are not like other girls.
Literally all those are pretty girls 😂
stephen james or francisco lawascki (i forgot how to spell his last name)
Kennie: 'This is- dirty, sexy...'
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When he was like”I like to **** so hard that you’ll scream and be sore the next day.” I had to pause for a minute to really take in all that just happened and how the hell we jumped to this😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
You know it’s a romance movie when it has internalized misogyny and abuse, yay! 🙄
“Who’s that cupcake” will be my new pickup line
Lmao sounds like taking to your dog 😂
edp 445 WHO?
@@folded_pizza ' Who's a GoOD BOYY, CUPCAKE!!' 😂
... or you could not?
Lets see how long until you get arrested
They don’t have opening credits because nobody wants to take responsibility for this crap. They need the money so the movie gets made, but everyone involved leaves feeling empty inside and with a considerable amount of shame.
As a nurse I have to agree with Saint! The best way to shower a client is to get naked with them and also get into the shower with them. Its evidence based practice that ensures good patient outcomes.
Wow I guess we skipped that chapter in my CNA training 😂🤣
i cant hear the words "alpha male" without being shot back into the rabbithole that is the Omegaverse
“Tw: Passionflix”
Me: thinking of the horror that was the movie afterburn aftershock
*remembers how funny Kennie made that movie*
Also me: oh this video bout to be entertaining af
That trope you described is basically the fallout of Wuthering Heights being reclassified from Gothic horror to romance when Emily Bronte was revealed to be a woman. How many years later and Heathcliffs are still soaking panties because he's now a romantic lead instead of being viewed as a horrifying and haunted antagonist. Oops!
I never knew that context! Wuthering Heights was one of the first books I read that I absolutely loathed. Cathy was such a weirdo - everyone was a weirdo, basically - but Heathcliff was downright terrifying. He was so unstable and needy and belligerent and just...blech. Almost every page I was staring in disbelief that any of these characters were meant to be at all interesting or charismatic, and later when I learned the book was a ~~literary classic and a ROMANCE (???!) I decided I should just stick with Jane Austen and Zutara fanfic.
@@MR-ek6yk Never can go wrong with a good Zutara fanfic, haha. 😁
This!!!
Lmao 😆 I feel so attacked right now! I love this book but yes you make an excellent point! Guess it'll be one of my problematic faves. Also I didn't know that after Emily Bronte's identity was revealed they reclassified her book as a "romance" lol what a slap in the face 👀😫!!!
@@laceykanda995 Love what you love and live your truth!!
This is like Hallmark’s version of 50 Shades of Gray
I keep reading "dirty sexy STAIN" when this shows up on my recommended and each time I'm filled with so much agony.
Every time I read this comment I think about Stain from MHA and I'M SO SURE this is the title of some kind of porn doujinshi about him.
I know this series is about bad movies but sometimes I still get surprised by just how bad some of them are
Kennie could literally do 50 movies in a row from passionflix and I would watch every single one of them
As someone who likes to get a glass of wine and watch awful romance movies while pretending I’m a rich yt woman who hates her husband, this is right up my alley 🧎🏾♀️
As someone who once lived in the suburbs, you have the look down already. Just add in that your oldest son doesn't speak to you that often and you have the whole package lol.
My dumbass read “yt” as “TH-camr” 🤦🏾♀️
@@__L__837 you are not alone 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao! I’m very interested and now I have to do this as well. You’re an inspiration. I also like the additions @yourmotherhatesyou added.
LMAO
19:42 “my d*** can slay dragons”
KENNIE I’M SCREAMING!
That's just what it's like to play Skyrim baaaabyyy
I literally Googled "Asian girl with streaks", and I got the article, "The "Asian Character Hair Streak" Is Real And A Huge Problem. This is going to be a fun afternoon.
I just did too. And I am speechless. Shouldn’t be surprised sadly but like.... what the heck? Not okay.
I also don't get why it's always purple though i- 😭
@@shart8008 So true, lol. The other colors are also usually blue, pink, and a couple of red ones, too.
@NitroFairyWing they probably were inspired by the japanese harajuku style. But that's still problematic as hell that they had to put east asian characters into that one specific box. Apparently westerners can't see east asian girls being rebellious except if they dyed their hair lol
The only time it made sense was when Knives Chau from Scott Pilgrim dyed her hair to copy Ramona.
you get these choices if you're an asian woman, you're either
1. sexy
2. a ghost
3. a nerd
4. have a streak in your hair
The lead isn't even attractive, he looks like the guy I knew in high school who spent $200,000 of his dad's inheritance money on a car and was dating an 11 year-old.
girl what the hell 😭
He looks kinda average in my opinion
11?! Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry what
We missed a few chapters
I think there's an assumption in a lot of these movies/books that you can't be impoverished, especially deeply impoverished, without also having terrible things done to you as a child. And, to be fair, it's probably more common simply because a lack of money can mean parents have to make difficult decisions that may leave kids more vulnerable than well-off counterparts (think about a parent working multiple jobs, unable to afford traditional childcare, and relying on an acquaintance that may or may not be a suitable caretaker). But it definitely feels rare to see characters with impoverished backgrounds that had non-traumatic childhoods. (Stressful isn't the same thing as traumatic either.)
"So, without further ado: dirty... sexy..." [ad break for sk-II with simone biles] "STOOOP!"
Same
SAMEEE
As someone who does not wear make-up, I will forever be amazed by the amount of effort and artistry and stuff that goes behind it. Like, watching and discussing movies seems to be so much work but the end result is swell.
My mom probably would've DEVOURED this shit, she ate, slept, and breathed bad romance novels.
My mom like stuff like this. I did too but my excuse is that I’m young lol
Kennie needs to be in a movie where she is simply in the background disgustedly watching shenanigans
*"You're playing with the hottest fire there is... cupcake."* - y'all, I think Kennie died for a second there.
"without further ado this is dirty sexy saint" *two unskippable ads start playing*
Let me guess, he has a dark past and when he sleeps beside her~it all goes away. She's his cure.
"So the movie is about Samantha. A rich girl--"
*Hall and Oates blares distantly*
Rich while family business marriages do still happen in America. My uncle was in one.
Like “oh the oldest son of this old money family is marrying the youngest daughter of the biggest oil family after two months of “dating”? And now the two families have a business arrangement? Oh okay. Sounds totally natural.”
I mean they are both great. Got a divorce, but are still close friends. She still sends me birthday gifts, and they divorced 20 years before I was even born. Their marriage really was just a business deal for them.
I had that same thought, about the gentrification of trauma. The dark past of the hot cis het white guy from the projects or the wrong side of the tracks, themes of drugs or sex work, single parenthood, etc etc etc it's like taking all these stereotypes of black men and then putting them on a white man and suddenly going "OH IT"S HOT NOW". And then you get into the romantacization of trauma itself, gotta love that....
Inisidious, yes. You picked the perfect word for it.
Maybe one of these days R rated movies will hire actors that actually know how to french kiss.
Ah yes, the “hot ugly” dude.
Edit: oh I just realized, we are in for a TREAT when they try to start adapting shifter books.
ABO?
@@Monochrome_11 they’re sister genres. Shifters are usually guys who turn into monsters of some kind (werewolf, werecat, were + some animal) like, furry for romance novel readers XD quite popular recently. You can see where there is some crossover depending on what the author wants to focus one.
@@Inoorne Ooh, I want too do one, I was planning on writing a book about shapeshifters, but non-romance
this saint guy saying "who's that cupcake?" has the SAME EXACT vibes as jacob saying "what a marshmallow"
Please tell me that’s not another Twilight thing. 🤦🏻♀️ That book has altered human civilization way more than it has any right to
@@emclaire7027 unfortunately, it is a twilight thing and you are absolutely correct
@@alexiabeatriz00 We can only wonder why the franchise hasn’t been dumped into the dustbin of history.
@@alexiabeatriz00 I've seen a couple of other authors do something similar where the love interest assigns a weird term of endearment the second they meet the protagonist. Finding out that they were taking their cues from Twilight explains a lot about the rest of the writing. :(
@@RectPropagation I absolutely hate it when characters in stories have very specific nicknames/pet names that aren't well explained. Especially when it's between characters that don't know each other. Depending when and where the story is set and who is speaking, I can see someone calling a stranger a more generic pet name like sweetie/sugar/honey/dear/love, but not anything like cupcake. Calling a stranger that sounds so freaking creepy. Not to mention that it seems like a hallmark for bad writing since it shows that author is so lazy they can't take two seconds to explain where the nickname came from or write it into the story.
Edit: Looking back, they do explain the nickname, but it doesn't make sense so I guess tge point stands. "Cupcake" does not correlate with being a lightweight. At least have it be because of something logical. Maybe he calls her that because she's small and sweet? IDK, but anything else but what we got would probably be better.
“This makes saint feel very sorrowful because he’s… falling in love with her *swallows vomit*”
Omg yes the trauma trope but also like you ALSO said, like a safe, attractive like love interest to go with that trauma and poverty. Like, if he "looked" like he came from poverty or also wasn't an attractive, light or white man it wouldn't be a trait that's considered sexy or fun or spicy. Then it's just undesirable. It has to be "trauma in someone i would like". Yuck!
The utter craziness of seeing screenplays similar to the fanfics you used to read/write as a teenager getting produced and released. If all the fanfic writers of the olden days were brought up in this generation, we'd all be getting paid for this mess 😭
Where is my workers comp!
So true 😂 the 50 Shades of Grey started out as Twilight fanfiction And After started out as Harry Styles fanfiction 🤣
@pink_calculators by novels u mean wattpads then yes lol
Your reaction after "who's that cupcake?" sent me 😭😭😭
🤣😂🤣😂
"I present, CRIMINAL!"
"EWWW NOOOO"
"I present, CRIMINAL w/ Trauma!"
"Omg yesss"
*conventionally attractive criminal who is extremely rich and suffers ANGST but not in any other way. (Physical scars optional, physical disabilities are too far)
Them: What nickname can we call Saint’s love interest?
Everyone else: how about Angel?
Them: ...👀👀 CUPCAKE
A few thoughts on the "trauma is sexy" trope. There is some strange ideology that trauma makes you better in bed due to having repressed issues that don't have any other "outlet". It's not just a trope seen in these types of movies, we see it in other popular media with the idealization of girls with daddy issues and other such ideas. Like you said, I'm not sure quite what conclusion to draw from these observations but thanks for giving me a place to share :)
"Sh*t like this makes me want to just sew my sh*t up."
I screamed. Yes!
I agree with you, Kennie. Romance books and films have an obsession with giving male leads traumatic backgrounds. Most of the time their trauma will always involve a older women, either as the one who grooms/abuses him or the rich mother who abandoned them, had issues with drugs, or commited su*cide.
Sorry for the long rant but when you said that it got me thinking. Great video as usual and love your jersey.
I have many things to say about this one
1. Kennie's eyeshadow is so mesmerizing I couldn't take my eyes off it
2. there is nothing romantic or sexy about someone throwing up on themself. Why would ANYONES next move after witnessing that be to get super close and sensual with them ???
3. I'm learning more about codependency via therapy and this guys need to "fix" everything just threw up red flags for me. so does the trope of the main character "fixing" their traumatized love interest.
4. there definitely is something to be said about how trauma is romanticized in fiction, especially in romance and erotica. there's plenty of other comments talking about how unhealthy this is so I'll focus on more specific stuff. If this sort of situation happened in real life, the traumatized person's partner would just get frustrated when they aren't able to "fix" them and cure their trauma or mental illness. also if this is this guys first time ever talking about his past and traumas with someone, he should definitely be showing some emotion, crying, choking on his words, all that. Its kind of unsettling how in these movies when the man talks about his traumatic childhood they remain as stone faced and attractive as ever as if they're talking about what to have for dinner or something.
5. I'm so excited for next week holy shit that movie looks so bad I can't wait
mae pfp
I already realized in the last Mean Girl 2 video that Kennie would be such a cool friend in like a high school friend group, but that advice on the cocktail names really makes me wanna have a college friend like Kennie - or BE that friend, cause y'all know she's amazing!
I wonder if in the book him calling her cupcake worked better. I can't ever imagine it actually working, but at least working better. Cuz I feel like in the book they had it playful and light and he just not carry that at all
Kennie saying “this stank a lil bit” had me lmao 😂
This is very irrelevant but I'm interested to know how many movies on Passionflix include POC as main characters, as opposed to two cis white people who are "struggling"
None, I expect since, they are adapting mainstream romance novels.
Love how feminine and innocent Kennie's makeup is for these awful Passionflix ovies
"my body is protesting all the drinks I indulged in..." why talk like that? "I'm hungover" is sufficient.
Also yeah, the trauma fetish is really heavy in “romance” stories. It’s hella prevalent in yaoi/yuri/LGBT media in particular it seems. Oh they’re an awful person who treats the protagonist like garbage? But they have ✨ trauma ✨
365 days also does the whole “ I just noticed all these wounds on you, what’s your dark past? “
LMAOAOA when he said “here’s a cupcake” I immediately thought of Sarah Paulson’s “I donT WaNNA CuPCAKe Uhhh” 😭😭
i knew this was gonna be good when i saw “passionflix” in the title 😂
People need to stop romanticizing poverty and trauma and struggle.
bad movies n a beat seems to be my go to comfort series, for years now. ill just come to your channel and click on random ones till i find one i havent seen yet, or seen in awhile (cause sometimes i forget to like them IM SORRY.) there's also those times im looking for a specific video cause i just crave the chaos.. ANYWAYS, thank you, bless you, ily, i wish you nothing but the best, all that jazz ok im done.