Great video. Love the 37s. For the uninitiated among you, English Electric Type 3s (later Class 37s under the TOPS coding system) were built in the 1960s after British Railways sought to eradicate steam. BR, rather strangely, didn't feel the need to specify Cold Starting abilities when they were in the ordering process, which is why almost all pre-1980s BR diesels struggle to start. The engine oil systems and engine governor do not work properly until it is warm, hence the struggle to start. Cl
I had a Ford Transit di once that used to take longer to start than this😂. 3 starter motors, 4 batteries and lots of swearing were used during the winter of 2010 !
A sign that 60 years later the English Electric type 3 or class 37 is still in service very reliable and robust locomotives obviously quite a few scrapped but also many in preservation and in front line service still with various rail operators a testimony to their design and build quality 👍
@@henrikbragge Greta is right. We can't have these polluting emissions now. Not only particulates and unburnt hydrocarbons but also carbon dioxide causing global warming and climate change. The remaining 37s need to be sold to CF Booths and sliced apart with cutting torches. The metal will be chopped into small pieces ready for melting so these locos can no longer pollute.
I drive a heavy truck and know what it's like to coax a cold diesel into firing! I loved listening to the cylinder by cylinder firing. Great exhaust shots!
Since I was a child I loved diesel engines, particularly locomotives and tractors. There is something so nostalgic and charismatic about them. Am I the only one?
Same here. I feel there’s something more primordial/beastly with huge diesel engines. Love them! When i was a kid i could watch a big tractor starting up and watch it going idle for a loong time until it went away to do it’s tasks.
An absolute enthusiast dream . The class 37 was epic diesel and always felt more pure power than its 1750 BHP. It must continue in private enthusiast hands so that children today know what a beast of a diesel this is. You cannot have F1 without the engine song and it's the same for diesels. They have a life & soul which electric will never provide to the world. Just iconic & brill
The heat generated by the hard working batteries, to start the engine, eventually radiated to the engines and consequently heated up the engine enough for it to actually start. Excellent video. Thanks for posting.
These things were built in the early '60s, there are no glow plugs, block heaters or anything else to aid a cold start. Back when they were in common useage, standard practise was to just leave them running. There's nothing wrong with it, all English Electric Diesels were like that from a stone cold start, crank it over until you get one or two pots firing then leave it to warm up.
Better to shut the engine down and restart when needed again. Idling diesel engines for extended periods causes the cylinder bores to become glazed. Diesels love and need hard work. Great to see a cold start like this. Just wish the video had run longer so we could see the exhaust clear clear as complete combustion is achieved. Compression ignition is a fascinating process.
In the end, the old girl started: the smoke changed colour. In the US, we don't run anti-freeze in our locomotives, so once it gets down to freezing (32* or 0*, take your pick) the engines arn't shut down.
It was based in Inverness. Took me to school many times. You will still see the old Highland rail logo on the side of the nose. 37400-37425 were all based at Inverness during the 1980's.
779nkp In the UK any negative temperature is considered cold. Even in the height of winter we rarely get below -8. So for us, and the 37 (which doesn't have preheaters) yes it's cold.
A Brit friend of mine, online, is an engineer.. I didn't realize he was connected to trains. He told me to come and look up MAYBACH..I didn't realize what Mayback Music is either..Well, I'm here and now I'm looking at ALL the engines..What a Hoot..lol Thanx for putting this up here...truly...I too always loved the Trains..A Dame in Calif.. xxx ;)
I think you need to back to school and find out what hot and cold are.Does it look warm,No .And would the engine struggle to start if it was warm? No. if the engine was hot or warm it would have started straight away. So we don't need to hear that you all live in Antarctica and its only - 50C outside and still feels warm.
But lets not forget locos don't have any components that aid in starting in the cold and as a railroader on the prairies of Canada I have witnessed my fair share of cold (-40ºC) weather.
Great stuff! I love the way the engine nearly dies, and then continues to splutter to life - wonderful. Was the photographer covered in as much snow as the engine?
@cielobuio The batteries are 110 volt 180 amps hours.You could turn the power unit over for about 5 minutes on fully charged batteries.To start this loco you would need to prime the oil for 3 minutes before pushing the start button.By doing this you get oil pressure to the governor that in turn opens the fuel racks to allow fuel into the cylinders.The video shows that in action but due to the power unit being so cold it struggles to start .But in the end it fires and all 12 cylinders.
Nathaniel S When a diesel cold starts like this sometimes only 1 cylinder is firing. That's why it sounds so rough idling and that's why there is so much smoke. Once the engine has warmed up it will idle properly and have little to no unburned fuel in the exhaust.
This one has been in Thurso, the northmost station in Scotland many times having served on the north line out of Inverness. It's nice that EWS maintained the Highland Rail logo on the cab.
Where was the shed man to run the engines every few hours or keep them running in severe weather conditions, oh i forgot we privatised our railways and got rid of lots of staff.
Smiffy1071 - Please pardon my ignorance of British Locomotive classes. Most of my knowledge of your locomotives has come from books until recent years. I do remember the English Electric Lightning as I actively sought and built many Airfix models as child. I work in the transportation industry and many of our older diesel trucks start like this when the mercury drops
I REMEMBER XMAS DAY STARTING ALL THE LOCOS IN THE HITHER GREEN SHED ABOUT 70/71 TO STOP THEM FREEZING UP.NO TRAINS RUNNING BUT 24 HOURS AT TRIPLE TIME 2 LOU DAYS AND A FREE PASS WAS WORTH IT
cool video. If -1c is cold or warm to you, right on buddy. nobody gives a fuck about your temperature threshold. shame that people are more interested in arguing about temps..
Yes people seem more interested in what they call cold in what ever country they come from. The engine in the video is cold period. It's not warm as the video clearly shows.
It's reminiscent of starting up a diesel tractor on the farm on a cold winter morning--sputtering on a few cylinders until it warms up enough to fire on all...
For newbies, an engine cold start means the engine is at the ambient temperature. Of course the colder it is the harder to start it up. Have in mind that this locomotive doesn't have electronic multipoint fuel injection as new diesel car or truck.
The electrical system in the UK is indeed 110 volts DC. In the USA it is 74 volts DC. And although a cold start seems to be a problem it really is not. In the USA we simply connect another locomotive and it will provide traction voltage, 600 volts DC, turning the generator into a motor and cranking the engine directly. The big advantage of a traction start is that the engine is spun at full idle speed and thus very little clag.
That 37 and I have one thing in common. We both hate getting going in the cold winter mornings. I wonder if the driver tried pouring a cuppa in the engine? that's what I needed to get going.
A big part of the problem is that diesel fuel begins to "wax" or form paraffin when sitting cold for several days. It plugs the fuel lines. All injectors on locomotives (unless equipped with fuel tank heaters) use the engine heat carried in the fuel injector fuel return lines that ran back to the fuel tank. A lot of unburned or partially burned up lube oil goes out the stack as well. Many a time we had to add lube oil to the oil sump that was the consistency of toothpaste, maybe even thicker than that.
Cold is right. Lived round n/w Ohio and the old nickle plate rail road. Pour buggers have a rough time. Once warmed up they become awesome giants.tks from old rail fan 73,88 om
Nice shot, I think it started very well for such a big Diesel and so cold too! Everyone talking about the smoke, it's just a bit of natural soot, no big deal, no worse than a wood stove, far better than gasoline engines. People talking about woodstoves being bad, how about all the forest fires pouring out TONS of smoke? I used to have a 6.2 Diesel Suburban, love all Diesel engines, so much simpler, rugged and reliable. Amazing the power in that engine, pulls millions of tons via electricity. Cheers!
Hi, this question is from the states. The is the British Deltic class diesel hydraulic? Are these engines turbocharged? Do they use tank heaters to pre-heat the fuel? i always thought this was a great looking locomotive. Are any still in operation or retired to railway historical parks?
3 million views for an engine start-up... there must be something deeper than just passion for trains and engines ...
Yep
+diioriog
Snow.
+diioriog
It's the smoke rings
maybe its the sick beat that we get in the beginning.
Choo choo
Great video. Love the 37s. For the uninitiated among you, English Electric Type 3s (later Class 37s under the TOPS coding system) were built in the 1960s after British Railways sought to eradicate steam. BR, rather strangely, didn't feel the need to specify Cold Starting abilities when they were in the ordering process, which is why almost all pre-1980s BR diesels struggle to start. The engine oil systems and engine governor do not work properly until it is warm, hence the struggle to start. Cl
Horrible locos. Polluters.
I'm privileged to have worked on the first, D6700
I had a Ford Transit di once that used to take longer to start than this😂. 3 starter motors, 4 batteries and lots of swearing were used during the winter of 2010 !
@@SuperBC10😁😁👍
Why would you specify a cold start system in the UK when half the year is cold! Well done British Rail.
37419 has had a overhaul since the video was taken and is still in service after 40 years of service.
👍
Greta will ban this beautiful engine 😢
A sign that 60 years later the English Electric type 3 or class 37 is still in service very reliable and robust locomotives obviously quite a few scrapped but also many in preservation and in front line service still with various rail operators a testimony to their design and build quality 👍
Carl Havilland
@@henrikbragge Greta is right. We can't have these polluting emissions now. Not only particulates and unburnt hydrocarbons but also carbon dioxide causing global warming and climate change.
The remaining 37s need to be sold to CF Booths and sliced apart with cutting torches. The metal will be chopped into small pieces ready for melting so these locos can no longer pollute.
Remember seeing one of these start up in Kings Cross station when I was a kid. The whole platform around the engine shook. Absolutely wonderful!
I feel like this trying to get out of bed in the morning.
+Alycidon Deltic LOL So True! :D
Alycidon Deltic Ha ha, seems like the loco is saying ' Oh god, do I really have to go out in this weather??'
I hear ya!
Do you fart like that too?
You poor bugger!
Up-vote if you periodically come back to view this clip and ask yourself "Why am I doing this?"
i periodically come back but know exactly why.... I'm addicted to class 37 Clag and Hellfire
@@tomgauntlestrange BECAUSE YOU LOVE THE DELTICS.
@@terrelmchenry9524 This isn't a Deltic, Its a class 37.
@@tomgauntlestrange WHICH ENGINE THEN?
@@terrelmchenry9524 An English Electric 12CSVT Diesel Engine powering English electric DC motors via a Generator
I drive a heavy truck and know what it's like to coax a cold diesel into firing! I loved listening to the cylinder by cylinder firing. Great exhaust shots!
Since I was a child I loved diesel engines, particularly locomotives and tractors. There is something so nostalgic and charismatic about them. Am I the only one?
No, you're not the only one.
same here
Nope! There are hundreds of thousands of us.
No, you're Not alone!👍
Same here. I feel there’s something more primordial/beastly with huge diesel engines. Love them! When i was a kid i could watch a big tractor starting up and watch it going idle for a loong time until it went away to do it’s tasks.
What an incredible sight!
That 37 looks stunning in that livery and the weather too. Wonderful!
An absolute enthusiast dream . The class 37 was epic diesel and always felt more pure power than its 1750 BHP. It must continue in private enthusiast hands so that children today know what a beast of a diesel this is. You cannot have F1 without the engine song and it's the same for diesels. They have a life & soul which electric will never provide to the world. Just iconic & brill
Well done! Captured the entire start-up. I love how you can hear each cylinder as it comes on line.
This is definately in my Trains Playlist!
Love those E.E units. Nothing quite sounds...or smokes...like them!
Rick - USA
The heat generated by the hard working batteries, to start the engine, eventually radiated to the engines and consequently heated up the engine enough for it to actually start. Excellent video. Thanks for posting.
These things were built in the early '60s, there are no glow plugs, block heaters or anything else to aid a cold start. Back when they were in common useage, standard practise was to just leave them running. There's nothing wrong with it, all English Electric Diesels were like that from a stone cold start, crank it over until you get one or two pots firing then leave it to warm up.
+owen lewis I heard some of the big ass fairbanks diesels wouldnt stop running until you rebuilt them. Pretty cool stuff
crank it till its warm lol....
not crank, run
Better to shut the engine down and restart when needed again. Idling diesel engines for extended periods causes the cylinder bores to become glazed. Diesels love and need hard work. Great to see a cold start like this. Just wish the video had run longer so we could see the exhaust clear clear as complete combustion is achieved. Compression ignition is a fascinating process.
@@supermajor2759 bores glaze over? Piffle.
Many years since I've heard that beautiful sound. ..thank you.
Wants to be a steam loco when it grows up.
In the end, the old girl started: the smoke changed colour. In the US, we don't run anti-freeze in our locomotives, so once it gets down to freezing (32* or 0*, take your pick) the engines arn't shut down.
Old machines are way more interesting than any new junk.
60 years later and the brush type 3..(37) is still hauling arse on the UK Rail network.. Truly admirable👍 GO ON YOU TRACTOR!!!!
Like James Stewart in 'Flight of the Phoenix'
I had a 335 Cumins in an old KW that blew smoke rings like that, YEARS ago. One drippy injector is all it takes. Great video!
That's cool I would actually of liked to watch it come to temperature and be running nicely .
It was based in Inverness. Took me to school many times. You will still see the old Highland rail logo on the side of the nose. 37400-37425 were all based at Inverness during the 1980's.
At -01c we still picnic and swim here in Canada...
Ricardo Testa agreed! -01 isn't really that cold at all...
779nkp DOES IT LOOK WARM OR COLD? A VERY SIMPLE ANSWER IT'S NOT HOT IS IT.NO
GRIDMASTER6 when you've felt -20 below zero plus a windchill which makes it -30.....0 degrees is pretty balmy
779nkp In the UK any negative temperature is considered cold. Even in the height of winter we rarely get below -8. So for us, and the 37 (which doesn't have preheaters) yes it's cold.
cjmillsnun acrually most engines can start fine without any hesitation well into the -20s c that pos engine is broken or sumtin
A Brit friend of mine, online, is an engineer.. I didn't realize he was connected to trains. He told me to come and look up MAYBACH..I didn't realize what Mayback Music is either..Well, I'm here and now I'm looking at ALL the engines..What a Hoot..lol Thanx for putting this up here...truly...I too always loved the Trains..A Dame in Calif.. xxx ;)
Another fine summer day in North Dakota.
Saw this beast earlier in the week heading North through Newcastle with an inspection saloon. Monster!
4.1 million views, and every one of them left wanting more of this glorious scene!
Brilliant. Watched this a few times now.
Less emissions than a VW Golf !!
+cielobuio VW
But the running sound is almost the same;)
@@ahtikalevikoponen2954 I'd say that older BMW 4cyl diesels (M47) are the most tractor sounding engines
And more reliable than a coal stove.
A great piece of film - setting and action superb !
Everyone in the village knew when young Jim was firing up his Class 37.......LOL always park it upwind of town lads!
Why do i find myself 'bobbing' my head to this?!?!......just like i do whilst listening to an Inkjet printer. Great vid, great sound. 10/10
Looks and sounds like my old Grandad when he was trying to get his first Woodbine of the day going.
This video was apart of my childhood on TH-cam, such memories
love the individual puffs of exhaust!
I've watched this beauty dozens of times - shear magic.
ah well done old girl you got there
Love it😁😁😁
it shows britain did build and is still going today,i guess this in away overshadows what we cannot build anymore! well done guys, merry christma))
got to be the best cold start on TH-cam
that was amazing to see her starting up in the cold. Love the sounds
Thanks for sharing
hey that's kind of like me in the mornings.
And me
After all this years, the best thing I have seen today !
Sounds like horses clapping along at about 1 min :P
Nice work, cheers!
I come back to this one again and again.
Educational post - I didn't know -1C was considered "cold."
suck on an icecube and tell me about how 'cool' it is
It is in the UK, apparently.
But I agree. -30ºC would be proper cold.
***** good for it
I think you need to back to school and find out what hot and cold are.Does it look warm,No .And would the engine struggle to start if it was warm? No. if the engine was hot or warm it would have started straight away. So we don't need to hear that you all live in Antarctica and its only - 50C outside and still feels warm.
But lets not forget locos don't have any components that aid in starting in the cold and as a railroader on the prairies of Canada I have witnessed my fair share of cold (-40ºC) weather.
I can remember looking at this video nearly 10 years ago!
Great stuff! I love the way the engine nearly dies, and then continues to splutter to life - wonderful. Was the photographer covered in as much snow as the engine?
@cielobuio The batteries are 110 volt 180 amps hours.You could turn the power unit over for about 5 minutes on fully charged batteries.To start this loco you would need to prime the oil for 3 minutes before pushing the start button.By doing this you get oil pressure to the governor that in turn opens the fuel racks to allow fuel into the cylinders.The video shows that in action but due to the power unit being so cold it struggles to start .But in the end it fires and all 12 cylinders.
Just luv watching this video over n over again!!
Ive subscribed ...
I watch this video every Xmas lol
Utterly well done, lads... in that kind of arctic weather ..
Very nice video :) I also see now why the 37's are nicknamed Tractors; that distinctive Engine noise says it all :D
I have one of these Loco's still runs fine, mine was built by TRI- ANG, sadly it doesn't sound as good as this one
I own the 4mm scale model by Bachmann of this particular 37 in EWS livery. Stunning model of a stunning locomotive.
love the "popping"
Love this video. Kinda like an old monster trying to wake up and lots of snow for England. Thanks
The sounds in the video give me the goosebumps :D
DANM YOU DB SCHENKER! I want the old EWS livery back, it looks great on engines, mainly 66s
Choo-choo!!!! I bet a can of Bradex Easy-Start would have got that going in a jiffy.
It's not easy to cold start a locomotive easy start wouldn't work on a locomotive dumbass
fluchter1996 It might help, But if it has an issue with idle, Then it's still not gonna be easy.
Nathaniel S It does help - that's why we use it on our own locomotive.
Nathaniel S When a diesel cold starts like this sometimes only 1 cylinder is firing. That's why it sounds so rough idling and that's why there is so much smoke. Once the engine has warmed up it will idle properly and have little to no unburned fuel in the exhaust.
fluchter1996 glad to see I'm not the only one who gets this type of answer , well done on a fantastic retort!
I never would of thought it would of started. That is a well built tight diesel engine.
What a magnificent beast ! :)
topautos You should look at steam engines!
This one has been in Thurso, the northmost station in Scotland many times having served on the north line out of Inverness. It's nice that EWS maintained the Highland Rail logo on the cab.
Where was the shed man to run the engines every few hours or keep them running in severe weather conditions, oh i forgot we privatised our railways and got rid of lots of staff.
were you the shed guy that started em up every few hours
Smiffy1071 - Please pardon my ignorance of British Locomotive classes. Most of my knowledge of your locomotives has come from books until recent years. I do remember the English Electric Lightning as I actively sought and built many Airfix models as child. I work in the transportation industry and many of our older diesel trucks start like this when the mercury drops
just like me in the morning - smoke rings and all .... lol
I REMEMBER XMAS DAY STARTING ALL THE LOCOS IN THE HITHER GREEN SHED ABOUT 70/71 TO STOP THEM FREEZING UP.NO TRAINS RUNNING BUT 24 HOURS AT TRIPLE TIME 2 LOU DAYS AND A FREE PASS WAS WORTH IT
Did she ever start??
Yes she did start .
OK that's good to know
+Whistle Stop Productions It's running by itself from 0:10 on, but not on all cylinders.
ohhhhh that might explain all the chugging
+CreRay why not?
Best train video I've seen yet.
cool video. If -1c is cold or warm to you, right on buddy. nobody gives a fuck about your temperature threshold.
shame that people are more interested in arguing about temps..
Yes people seem more interested in what they call cold in what ever country they come from. The engine in the video is cold period. It's not warm as the video clearly shows.
-1 isn't even that cold, The engine is just so damn big it takes alot of power to get it Turning.
+RiceReaper It cold hence the reason its struggling to start .
It's like a percussion instrument.
good sound.
:^)
Amazing video. That class 37419 diesel locomotive Cold start in winter with lot of smoke ring.
COF COF COF... What a hard starting engine. FABULOUS!
It's reminiscent of starting up a diesel tractor on the farm on a cold winter morning--sputtering on a few cylinders until it warms up enough to fire on all...
Always love seeing those tractors.
This video sums up exactly how i feel every morning.
Poor old girl, she seems to be channeling all of the steam locos of yesteryear! Sounds like Ivor the Engine... ;-)
@katana1150 The Class 37 was powered by a English Electric V12 diesel. I think the engine model was called 12CSVT but i am not sure about it.
I love diesel train. Thanks, greeting from ndonesia
What a beautiful machine, that is art. I would love to spin next to it in the snow.
i love trains, and i love cold starts.. perfect video!
In my opinion this is the best sound of cold start!
Very nice! Big up from Romania!
This was one of the first videos i ever saw in TH-cam!
For newbies, an engine cold start means the engine is at the ambient temperature. Of course the colder it is the harder to start it up. Have in mind that this locomotive doesn't have electronic multipoint fuel injection as new diesel car or truck.
The electrical system in the UK is indeed 110 volts DC.
In the USA it is 74 volts DC.
And although a cold start seems to be a problem it really is not.
In the USA we simply connect another locomotive and it will provide traction voltage, 600 volts DC, turning the generator into a motor and cranking the engine directly.
The big advantage of a traction start is that the engine is spun at full idle speed and thus very little clag.
I used to start tractors on farms as an apprentice mechanic,didn't have this problem even super minus frosty mornings
That 37 and I have one thing in common. We both hate getting going in the cold winter mornings. I wonder if the driver tried pouring a cuppa in the engine? that's what I needed to get going.
Why are there 31 thumbs downs????!!!!
What an excelent video, I'll hopefuly catch some cold starts at the railway where I work come winter.
A big part of the problem is that diesel fuel begins to "wax" or form paraffin when sitting cold for several days. It plugs the fuel lines. All injectors on locomotives (unless equipped with fuel tank heaters) use the engine heat carried in the fuel injector fuel return lines that ran back to the fuel tank. A lot of unburned or partially burned up lube oil goes out the stack as well. Many a time we had to add lube oil to the oil sump that was the consistency of toothpaste, maybe even thicker than that.
What cost a loco shed?
I think they need big engine block heater for it.....Nice video of a rough start
Cold is right. Lived round n/w Ohio and the old nickle plate rail road. Pour buggers have a rough time. Once warmed up they become awesome giants.tks from old rail fan 73,88 om
This discribes me in the morning when I have to get up to school.
We all know and love that wonderful sound when the engine finally fires up!
A typical EE cold start, one cylinder at a time. Lovely machine!!
Best stationary 37 video on TH-cam. No doubt
Nice shot, I think it started very well for such a big Diesel and so cold too! Everyone talking about the smoke, it's just a bit of natural soot, no big deal, no worse than a wood stove, far better than gasoline engines. People talking about woodstoves being bad, how about all the forest fires pouring out TONS of smoke? I used to have a 6.2 Diesel Suburban, love all Diesel engines, so much simpler, rugged and reliable. Amazing the power in that engine, pulls millions of tons via electricity. Cheers!
Hi, this question is from the states. The is the British Deltic class diesel hydraulic? Are these engines turbocharged? Do they use tank heaters to pre-heat the fuel? i always thought this was a great looking locomotive. Are any still in operation or retired to railway historical parks?
Remember when i was kid; thank you.
Very nice video.